Doomed to Fail - Ep 20: Larger Than Life - Fatty Arbuckle & The Hindenburg

Episode Date: May 15, 2023

This week we both go back into the early 1900s to tell the stories of two old-timey tragedies. First, Farz takes us to Silent Film Hollywood for the sensational trial of Roscoe Fatty Arbuckle - a movie star who got involved in the mysterious death of an actress, Virginia Rappe, at the height of his fame. A party weekend in San Francisco turned into a life-ruining event.Speaking of tragic events Taylor brings us to 1937 when the Hindenburg crashed upon landing in New Jersey, the trust of a successful company and tons of successful flights were destroyed in about 30 seconds. Including, of course, many lives. Did you know that The Hindenburg flew over NYC earlier that day and that it had swastikas on the tail? We did Nazi that coming.Pictures via the Creative CommonsFollow us on Instagram & Facebook @ Twitter!  @doomedtofailpodhttps://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpodYoutube - https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpodSources:Hindenburg: The New Evidence | NOVA | PBSHindenburg Disaster: Real Zeppelin Explosion Footage (1937) | British PathéHindenburg disaster's earliest moments captured in newly released footage | Live ScienceWhat happened to the Hindenburg? Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

It's a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. So we're going to effort this week, which I'm like you didn't just have that conversation. Taylor, how is you, how is the driving movie theater? It was very nice.

We saw, well, we have a truck now. so we wanted to drive the truck to the drive in so it was super fun we like had this tiny blowout mattress so we used that and then like had some blankets and stuff and watched the movie and it was very delightful and then like I don't know anything about trucks

I was like I think it'll be fine and slickly the blankets in the back and we definitely lost the air mattress and the back like it's gone it's in the wind but was the truck bed closed not like the top

okay yeah I'm surprised an air mattress will fly out actually I thought it had like heavy a blankets on it I thought it would. I thought it would be okay, but it was not. So lesson learned. Interesting. But did you see it fly out?

Because you've stopped and gotten it? We like heard it. And then like I stopped. We stopped and I put everything else in the car, like in the cab part of it. But I, um, no, it was pitch black. It was like, it's like a really, really dark road. And so I was like, I'm not, we're not dying for this air mattress. Yeah, yeah.

Not worth it. Yeah. And was it, was it funner to see Mario Kart and a truck? yeah it's so fun like we like all snuggled and we're all sitting together and miles is the sweetest little boy he kept leaving the snuggle to stick his butt out the end of the truck and fart because he didn't want to fart in the snuggle oh my god that's so cute he's so cute so he'd be like a little fart and then come back i think i commented when i saw a picture of one with a truck that we have to go get him cowboy boots next it's very fun looking truck still looking truck yeah cool well shall we get rolling yeah well let's say first that you're you're in ireland i'm in ireland and we tried to record those a couple times and we were both unavailable it is it is probably the most inconvenient time zone overlap of anywhere like australia

and new zealand have a much wider gap in time but it actually circles back around in a way that makes it much more convenient. Ireland is not. It is 4 p.m. here. What time is it for you, Taylor? 8 a.m. 8 a.m. for you. It's 4 p.m. for me.

And I'm here for a wedding. So weddings start midday. And yeah, it makes it super super inconvenient. And, like, actually, there's another thing. I don't know how I'm going to do this, but there's another thing happening tonight at a tavern that's supposed to start at 6, but I don't think I'm going to go a little bit late because I should need some time. like so the invite says it starts at six and it goes so it says 6 p.m. dash late so there is no actual

term ends to this but amazing um yeah my body's my body's seriously hurting right now but yeah it was awesome it was really really cool it was really fun it was an amazing wedding their amazing couple get to hang out with a lot of old nationwide shoulder people which was really cool so yeah yeah all good things but yeah I guess we can go ahead kick things off. Welcome to Doom to Fail. I'm Farrs, joined here by Taylor. We were just having a little bit of a chat about farting in truck beds and Mario Kart and Ireland. Yeah. This is going to be released on time because I'm further ahead in time. I can spend all my

morning editing the podcast for release at 10 a.m. Pacific on said Monday. So. All right. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to actually work out perfect. Okay. Good. So we're going to go ahead and take things off. And hold on, did I pick a drink yet? I don't know if I picked a drink. You go first today, right? I think I do go first.

So wait, you should start with your drink, man. Okay, well, I actually am drinking coffee, but my drink is a mimosa because it's Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day, Taylor. You're right. Thank you. Thank you. It's nothing to do with my story, but I just, I have some Prosecco in the fridge and I will make myself a mimosa later.

That is awesome. That is awesome. I need to call my mom. Call your mom. Yeah, the wedding, again, my head's just been in a different headspace for the time being. But I think, you know. It's still my other day. So I think for me, I've been like mainlining Ginnis's for the past eight days.

So I think I'm actually going to go with Guinness. I think that's my drink. Gotcha. You're 90% Guinness at this point. Yeah. By body weight, I am. And I'm not, it actually has nothing to do with the story. because our story is more of like a Hollywood story

and Guinness is a very Irish beer but I'm feeling Irish so I'm gonna go with that Nice yeah you're in Ireland When in Ireland? When in Ireland Mainline Guinness and Middleton and Red Bruss and the It goes on like that So I started researching

my favorite murder in American true crime history And I got pretty far before I realized that it actually has nothing to do with the premise of our show, so I stopped. But what I was researching was actually a murder that you mentioned before, Taylor. Can you guess which one this was? No, wait, what your favorite murder is? Yeah. I don't know.

Can I have one hint? Okay. You mentioned it in a podcast where you reference the Billmore. Oh, the Black Dahlia. There you go. Yep. Like Dahlia. So I got in the weeds on the Black Dahlia murder, and there's so many details.

tells around this there's so many suspects and what I realized was nobody was charged we just have to like some educated guests on who did it but as a result that we don't actually know why she was killed so there's one presumption I read that she was killed because this doctor who owned the Jaws house remember that he got her pregnant and wanted her not to have a kid and so he killed her there's another story I read where she um she was killed by Bugsie Siegel like that famous mobster of the time and was thrown around thrown over to the

under the Hollywood sign where her body was found but really like there is no conclusive details on what happened to her so as a result it's kind of like just an unsolved mystery so why there's no red flag right so what can you say about that? What about that redhead cop I didn't

I didn't read about a cop doing it it's like a redhead cop that like may have done it I don't know anyway that he is redheaded does I have anything to do Is that how they identify him? Yeah

Okay Ginger's suspicious You know what I can't say that here That's true You're in the wrong space Don't tell anyone I said that Can't say that here

But yeah So I was like Okay well like that's kind of out I mean I do have a pretty good write-up on it So I could probably do a little side piece Side thing on that But I decided to kind of stick with LA stick with black and white LA

and I shifted to another super super famous in Mysterious Death, the Death of Woman named Virginia Rap. Do you know that name? I don't think so. Okay. You might know the other name. Because the other name is the reason why this case is famous. So

the person who was the alleged perpetrator of this was a guy named Fatty Arbuckle. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. There we go. But you know this one. Okay. There we go. So for Butterworth, the main character on the death of Virginia is basically Fattie Arbuckle. For those that don't know,

Faddy was basically the equivalent of like a Ben Stiller in like the early 1900s. So he was basically like a renowned comedian. He was a silent film star and he was essentially Hollywood royalty. I'm going to get into like how much this guy made. Like he was insane

how much money this guy made. Digging into like the background and bio of Faddy. So he was actually born Roscoe Arbuckle in 1887 in Smith Center, Kansas. fatty's dad was kind of an asshole fatty was born 13 pounds which that's heavy right

holy shit yeah wasn't mom okay my kids were six and they were that's pretty small I think average is like seven or eight 13's a lot got it okay okay so his full name is Roscoe Conkling Arbuckle and the reason for that is because

his dad was so sure that the mom cheated on him to get pregnant by fatty because they were both very slight people and this kid was born at 13 pounds and he was like, obviously this came to my kid. So he named him Roscoe Conkling Arbuckle

after Roscoe Conkling, he was a U.S. Senator known for being a womanizer and like uplander and just sleeping around a bunch. So that's like how his life started was he was named after basically a guy that was like very much looked down upon in society and yeah, that was basically it. it. I don't think that is true. That's a, I mean, like, who knows that that's true? But, like, that's not true. But, like, you can't have a big baby if you're little.

I don't know. I mean, I assume that's not true. But, again, like 13 pounds might be freakishly huge. I don't know. But, yeah, that was a, that was his take on it at least. So at 11 years old, I mean, this, this actually, this cased my head and thinking about this stuff. So at 11 years old, Faddy's mom died. And basically the dad was like, you're not my kid. I'm not going to support you. I was looking like I would okay so again going back to be being in Ireland Jeff Dunn is the one who planned this entire trip like every minute it was accounted for you go from here to here it takes this many minutes to go here all of it every second was planned by him if he hadn't done that I was like dude I would just land it in Ireland and probably just like died somehow like I wouldn't even got the wedding venue this kid was 11 years old and was like go support yourself it's crazy yeah that's crazy yeah that's And then by 17, Fannie joined what is like now we would consider a comedy troupe, like improv type of thing.

It was, uh, back then the name for that, what it was essentially was a Bob Bill show. So it was like him and a bunch of his friends. They would do like these acts around the city and all that good stuff. And that's kind of like the start of his foray into the entertainment industry. He blew up from there. By 22, by age 22, he was in silent movies. And he was basically this, like, huge celebrity. So it was, it was, it was this one show called Keystone Copps that is where he got his launch.

So he did this sitcom for, I think, two or four, no, two seasons. Keystone Copse, he did that. And then from there became famous enough to where he is, like, a silent film star, essentially. That show, Keystone Copse, that's where the pie in the face tag comes from. Like, he invented that. Yeah, I feel like that's, like, a pseudonym for, like bumbling cops yeah yeah yeah you can look up sales of it you can still find those and that's basically what it is like again because so fatty we'll find out a little bit later he was called fatty

because he's overweight right and yeah so because he was overweight like it was a bumbling cop thing that that was kind of like the whole guy they put together so that was the launch of his career and really it was like i wrote down it was basically like when jennifer ans did friends then transition into doing films that was essentially it in 1914 so two years into his run on that show keystone cops paramount pictures offered him a thousand dollars per day as a salary so i didn't know this but apparently back in the day actors weren't independent contractors they don't go from making a movie for this studio to that studio the other studio they're hired on retainer by mgm or warner brothers or in this case paramount that was that was the standard back then totally and

go ahead sorry i don't think it's like a show it wasn't like it was like was like were they like short films because it wasn't like tv yeah that's true so it's a sitcom but you must have gone there to watch it yeah anyway keep going yeah that's good point yeah there wasn't you're hilarious it's like no one no one likes jennifer aniston movies i know i know it's not like a they can be fun but not funny i'll say that much so four years into this arrangement with paramount fatty of him making a thousand dollars per day like that contract was was crazy because it segued into another contract after you became successful with paramount to a three million dollar deal so what what year was it this would

have been 1920 1921 and he mean a thousand dollars a day well it was a thousand dollars a day for four years then he got a contract for $3 million for a three-year-old deal. Oh, my God. That is so much money. I would love $1,000 a day. Okay. That's so much money right now.

That's $54 million today. Wow. So by comparison, right now, the highest paid actor is The Rock, and that's, he makes $89 million. Wow. So that's the caliber of fame this guy was on. I know it's one to think about because it's like, who knows this guy? Like, nobody cares, right? We only know him because of what I'm going to discuss here.

But at the time, he was essentially the. rock yeah caliber famous so totally okay so let's pivot to the other person involved here virginia rap so virginia was born in chicago she moved to california in 1916 where she met and got married to someone who's basically irrelevant because he got hit in the like most looney tunes way possible he got hit by a streetcar you got run over by streetcar and killed so i guess that's that's how you die in the 1900s i guess she would start modeling and acting a bit in little bit parts around LA by virtue of how famous fatty was

the details I just put down for Virginia that's basically it because Virginia was I had to say but she was kind of a nobody she's only famous of how she died and because it was fatty that was a part of us so that's basically it one detail about Virginia that was kind of cool that I read was that she was actually buried in our favorite outdoor movie venue

Hollywood Forever Cemetery remember Sinistia yep good for her yeah very cool cool way to go. So going back to Fatty, so in 1921, him and his two friends decided to take a weekend trip from Los Angeles to San Francisco to San Francisco to San Francisco to San Francisco to San Francisco to San Francisco to San Francisco to Great. Women started pouring in because again, this is like the most famous guy in town. He shows up. He's in your city. And among the women that showed up was Virginia. So going forward, I'll say that we don't have a ton of details of what actually happened. We have very credible, or sorry, not credible, the opposite, non-credible witness testimony

about what happened. We have a corrupt DA, and we have Fatty's Word, and we don't know if we can trust Fatty. So a lot of what I'm going to discuss here is just straight facts of how she was found and what some assumptions were made around what happened to her, basically. Virginia was found to be very unwell and was taken to a doctor because back then hotels had doctors on staff. She was taken to a doctor and the doctor concluded that she was just super, super drunk. Three days later, she hadn't improved and a friend took her to a hospital. And this friend, her name is Bambina Delmont.

And at the hospital, the friend Bambina told doctors that fatty had raped Virginia. At the time, doctors found no evidence of rape. But again, this is like several days later. So, like, I don't know how likely that would have been anyways. And it ended up being that Virginia died the next day of a thing called peritonitis, peritonitis, which is basically inflammation in the abdominal wall that's just left untreated, which it was, because she actually had with a ruptured bladder. So she had a ruptured bladder, and apparently she'd had that, like, at least these three days,

where she wasn't getting any medical attention because everybody thought she was drunk. And then she died of it. Same page? Yes. Okay. Absolutely same page. Got it. I think that friend also is controversial, right?

Very controversial. Very controversial. So what's this happened in Bambino told the police at Fatty Rape, Virginia, the police decided that this is the craziest thing ever. So because Fatty was fat, well, she was even that fat, I'll get into that. They assumed that the ruptured bladder, which was the ultimate cause of her death, was caused by him laying on her until the bladder ruptured, which is like. it's ludicrous so it's ludicrous but this story broke and it became huge huge news so the

hearse media empire was basically built on the back of this story like this was kind of the start of yellow journalism which i'll get into here in a moment but it was basically like imagine if we found out tomorrow the rock killed somebody they'd kill the woman right but you would be all everywhere it would be talking about this yeah there were stories that this is so gross so there were stories that an ice pick had been inserted in Virginia and then that eventually morphed into like Coke cans and champagne bottles basically the media just like took this idea of fatty rupture this woman's flatter and just like totally ran with it and just made stories up so this is where convergence of several things come together so when I wrote down

several bullet points here the first one is a rush to judgment so I think just generally as humans we have a societal inclination to want to watch successful people fall from grace yeah and this this was the guy this was the this was the highest of the high guys the other thing I wrote down was yellow journalism so apparently back then like journal journalism really wasn't even a thing they would just write whatever they wanted to and they would let what it was basically what clickbait is today back then so they were just right with the point wanted to hear and then once they get feedback on the public opinion they just keep reinforcing that yeah I wrote down

like so much of what we know about what happened in Virginia just came from these stories that the Hearst Media Empire kind of generated. For example, that story I mentioned about the ice pick being inserted in Virginia, there was actual witnesses at the party that said that fatty was actually rubbing ice on her stomach because she was in pain. And that morphed into this. There's Hollywood abuse. So this is the obvious trope of an incredibly powerful, successful Hollywood man and a naive young starlet

trying to break into the industry. There is obvious fat shaming going on here. So the fact that the paper turned this into, he laid on her and due to his immense weight ruptured her bladder, it's crazy. He weighed 250 to 300 pounds. At his heaviest, he was 300 pounds, which is like heavy, but like not like a wrecking ball size. I mean, there's a lot of guys walking around 300 pounds. I mean, I wouldn't want them sitting on me, but I got to be hurt if they did. I mean, definitely now.

Yeah, definitely now. I mean, yeah, he definitely stood out back then, I'm sure. it's worth noting that i've been calling him fatty this whole time he was actually super self-conscious about his weight you brought this up when i talked about um chris farley that writes me yeah chippendale is that what it was yeah how sad he was because he was like fat shaving yeah yeah and i read that here too where he would deliberately not do like the fat guy things of like the gags because he was just he was self-conscious he didn't want to be known as that kind of a person And anytime somebody would call him fatty, he would tell them, he would remind them that, hey, I have a name.

It's Roscoe. Like, he never, I would never call him fatty. Yeah. And then the last bullet point of the convergence of things here I wrote that was basically medical neglect. It took three days to get her to the hospital. And the one consistent thing amongst all witnesses credible or not at the party were that she was in writhing agony and pain. And nobody did anything. They took her down to the doctor, and the doctor said she's drunk, and then all they did when she got to the hospital was purple-plor morphine.

So they didn't even address the fact that she had a ruptured bladder. Like, none of that came to light until her autopsy. So that's where it all kind of came together. By this point, the entire country was basically ready to lynch fatty because of those points coming together, especially the Hollywood abuse side of it. He was ultimately indicted for manslaughter in San Francisco and went to trial. the prosecutor was a guy named Matthew Brady and Brady really had some ambitions. His idea was he was going to use this case

as a stepping stone to ultimately work his way up to mayor and then governor of California. That was his idea. Yeah. And he was basically willing to do whatever it would take to do that. And we're going to see that here in a moment. He started by threatening the main witness, another model who was at the party named Betty Campbell.

She testified that she thought Fattie had raped for he also put a doctor on the stand who testified that fingerprints on the door of the room proved that Virginia tried to escape but was forced back in by fatty which like how would you know that the idea was like she maybe she gripped it and then like she was pulled back but how would you know any of that if you could just grab a door handle like a normal person trying to leave a room yeah yeah also like the testimony was irrelevant because they actually pulled the hotel maid who testified that she had wiped the entire room clean including the door knobs before the investigation even started.

Oh. So, yeah, because again, it was like three, four days after this happened that she died. So, of course, they turned the room over, right? Fatty testified at his own trial. Many of people have died in the hotel room with urine right now. I don't. Actually, yeah, in this hotel, probably a lot of people have died. I mean, Ireland's pretty old.

So, and this is an old hotel, and it's an old part of town. So, yeah. Yeah, I'm probably sleeping in a dead woman's bed right now. That's what I mean. Fatty, test, testified his trial. And his version of events is that he discussed. discovered Virginia of vomiting in his toilet. She asked to lie down in his bed.

He carried her to the bedroom and then asked other party guests to look after her. Virginia started convulsing, and they put her in the bathtub full of cold water to kind of, I don't know why they said it was to calm her down. I don't know why that would calm anybody down. And apparently it was at this point that Virginia starts, like, ripping her clothes off and just like convulsing violently. And that's when they, that's when they call the hotel doctor who was like, oh, yeah, she's drunk. that's all that's all that says uh after jury jury deliberations they were deadlocked with 10 voting for not guilty and two saying he did it and so a mistraw was happened and when a mistrial

happens it's like you just in a lot of cases you just keep going you just keep trying and that's what they did here so a few months later fatty was retried and the exact same thing happened except the jury uh except the jury this time was obviously a new jury and there was a few witnesses who mostly just referenced the fact that they had prosecutor asked them a lie like that was basically yeah like those other witnesses they came forward saying this guy keeps trying to give me the lie and again yeah another mistromp so as all this is going on faddy has basically been turned into a social briah so yeah he's not working and because actors are contracted out through their production companies the way they were they had full control over what you could say and what you

couldn't say so privately a lot of celebrities were in support of fatty because they all knew him and they were like there's no way this guy can't talk about this but publicly they all said you can't talk about this guy you can't come out in support of this guy for sure not in support of him don't talk about it all but definitely not in support of him and so he was yeah persona non grata in hollywood so he couldn't work so that obviously means he's like hemorrhaging cash and yeah using a lot of societal status the result of this at this time there was a third trial and that time he was actually found not guilty so at that time it was 12 not guilty, he was fully acquitted.

An interesting fact here is that the jury, in a super rare move, wrote a letter to Faddy, apologizing for wasting his time, and that letter in part read, this is a quote from that letter, acquittal is not enough for Roscoe Arbuckle. We feel that a great injustice has been done to him. We feel also that it was only our plain duty to give him this exoneration under the evidence, for there was not the slightest proof adduced to connect him in any way with commission of a claim. We wish him success and hope that the American people will take the judgment of 14 men and women who have sat and listened for 31 days to evidence that Roscoe Arbuckle is entirely innocent and free of all blame. So at this time, like now on reflection of what happened, most likely happened to her, the biggest assumption is that she had an abortion, Virginia had an abortion that didn't go well.

And that was the cause of the ruptured bladder. So that was, that's the prevailing theory right now. Nobody thinks that this guy sat on her or anything else happened. That's the only way where he can make sense of what happened to her was basically that. All that being said, fatty status never came back. Obviously, this child wasn't cheap. He was basically reduced to nothing. He sold his house.

He sold his cars. Everything. His wife left him. Like, he was like, this guy's life was ruined, basically. And also, movie theaters just wouldn't show, yeah, they just wouldn't show his films anymore. So there was a bunch of films that he had. made that were supposed to be released that weren't released because this happened yeah i wrote down the people that supported him so buster keaton was his like number one supporter like he was very very

famous they did a lot of movies together they're actually in keystone cops together as well and and he's the one who financially supported fatty during all this like sure making three million dollars even like back then today i mean back then was a ton of money but you bleed through that pretty quickly when you have to hire all these lawyers for three trials over and over again, you're not able to work. And as a result, that Buster Key was the one who basically came forward and paid his expenses so he could survive, essentially.

That's nice. He would eventually move on and would work in other ways in Hollywood. So he would be like a production person. He would do camera equipment stuff and all that. It was basically just like charity because people who knew him were like, you totally got railroaded dude.

Like there was no way this shouldn't happen to you. and we need to find a way so you can make a living and this is all you really know how to do. And so that was that was it. He basically did that. And there's a story there that he, on the last day he was alive, he went out with a bunch of friends. And he was quoted as saying, this is the best day of my life. This is like years after the trial. And then he ended up dying of a heart attack that night at 46 years old.

Again, this guy was like the funny dude. He was like the guy you want around. And everybody would say after this happened to him. he was just a shell he just walked around like just like a child of human being like he was just completely mentally crippled by this which like yeah yeah of course he was like yeah of course and at this time now the presumption is that he was 100% innocent so yeah in recent in the recent past like Hollywood has tried to atone for what they did to him and they gave him a star, his star in the Hollywood Walk of Fame. And they've, there's been multiple attempts to try

and make a movie out of this. So it's crazy. Take a guess that maybe one or two of the actors who were supposed to play Fatty Arbicle that didn't. Is it not Chris Farley? Is Chris Farley in the list? Chris Farley. Is it too long ago? Yeah. No. It's Chris, it's crazy. It's Chris Farley. It's John Candy and it's John Belushi. So all three of these guys were connected to do a film, a biopic about Fatty Arbicle's life, about this case in his life. And, And they all died in, like, in the involvement stage. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, it's like a cursed movie. Yeah. So, so I was, um, ah, I was thinking about like the red flags here, like, what I was, like, looking out for it. And it was like, man, like, I think part of it is like, we had to, first off, say that Virginia has no blame in this at all. She never said that, she never said that.

It was all these other answer, right people. The thing I didn't mention is that Bambino woman. who did say Fatty raped her in the hospital. She also, before she said that, called Fatty's lawyer saying, you need to send me cash. Otherwise, I'm going to tell them that he raped her. So, like, that actually came out during the trial as well that he tried, she tried to swindle money out of, out of Fatty before going insane that this happened. So, like, it sucks what happened to Virginia. But be aware, be self-aware.

like if you're like a successful person or you're like high up like just don't put yourself in situations where this is a possibility because this could happen um i i was trying to think of like another case where i've seen this isn't that common is it because usually when it's a lettrous hollywood man it's true i don't know how many times people like die it was definitely like sexual assault cases against famous people but i can't remember anyone like being murdered or dying because it does sound like I feel like I'm remembering stuff I've read about it like it sounds like Virginia was sick like there's something wrong initially um and then that friend just like wanted attention and the media just like wanted the the ad revenue and the attention like always you know and yeah and they like ruined his life like I definitely I think I've listened to a couple things about it but I don't think that he did it yeah yeah yeah I mean it's it's it's like it's almost like Bible truth I don't know if that's a word that he didn't do it yeah they didn't do it like every just like yeah of course you didn't do it but like at that point it was like let's just destroy this guy because he's like uh i mean also was this like around the great depression it was like right before it i think if you're saying it's the 20s yeah it would have been 21 yeah it's before it but also like yeah he's definitely like a rich person and everybody else is poor yeah yeah okay so 29 was a great depression so like yeah it's probably a steady buildup of people like you know you're watching this guy who's making all this money and then you're broke and yeah it's not

going to it's not going to lead to good feelings and as a 20s isn't it it's like it's prohibition it's probably like look but partying can get you yeah things like that too yeah it's good point yeah yeah so yeah i think i think that's my takeaway from this is like yeah if you're like successful if you're high up there like the world is just looking for a reason to knock you off that pedestal like everybody's actively trying to distinguish your success so like just be careful and there's also a tiny to get political a tiny smidge of abortion should be legal so that they can be safe because otherwise so here's the thing taylor like i don't actually know if abortion was illegal back then because back then medicine was basically just like going to a barbershop and

getting like sawed in half like that's fair it would be that again if it was illegal Was abortion illegal in 1920? Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. So prior to 1969, abortion was punishable by life in prison. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, good point.

Good point. There's also, I mean, at the same time, like, I still wouldn't want to get an abortion by a doctor in the 1920s. Like, it would still sounds like it was, it would be close with that sentence, but. Right. No, I mean, she had, she was sick and they were like, oh, she's drunk. Like, they, the doctor did not help her at all. No.

So that's certainly part of it, too. Yeah. Don't get sick in the past. Don't get sick in the past. It's another lesson. Yeah. So, yeah, that's my story. Cool.

I like it. Thank you. I like that you did an older one. I was thinking, am I getting too close to history stuff? It's fine. Okay. If I overstep, you'll tell me right. I'll let you know.

Okay. We have boundaries. Okay, perfect. Cool. Perfect. Cool. Well, thank you. I'm going to maybe watch some Keystone cops later.

It looked funny. Buster Keene was in it. Yeah, he's funny. And then one of Fatty's nephews was in it, too. And so it's just like a cool little time capsule of like the 1920s. Yeah, totally. I love it. Well, I'm actually going further the future than 1920 that is today.

I know. Wow. Okay. Yeah. So I was thinking about you. being in Ireland and flying there and you had mentioned that you wanted to go to Belfast to see the Titanic launch from and then I was thinking like what else went from Europe to America and like we've been trying to really crack this code of getting

across the pond for you know for centuries so another famous thing that went from from Europe to the US was an airship called the Hindenburg Oh, that's awesome. I'm going to tell you about the tragedy of the airship Hindenberg. The Hindenberg was made by the Zeppelin Company, also known as Luftschiff-Bow Zeppelin. It was founded in 1908 by Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin. So like the guy's name is Zeppelin, which is fun. He was a German inventor, an aviation pioneer, and he was born in July 8, 1838 in Constance, Germany.

so we're like it starts off in like the early 1900s and then the Hindenberg you'll find out crashed in 1937 so that's kind of where the story ends um count von zeppelin had a distinguished military career he was in the prussian army during his military service he gained experience in engineering and aeronautics so this is like the very beginning of like maybe we can do stuff in the sky he went to he came to the u.s to observe um during the american civil war because what happened here is that people use balloons like hot air balloons for reconnaissance for like the first time so like the first time that you could like of another armies stuff that was never never a thing in the history of the world and I definitely remember being a kid and like reading a book about women who would like take their hoop skirts like their big dresses and make them into hot air balloons so that they could do that. that like reconnaissance. I don't know if that's true or not, but I read it.

It was like a book I ran a little. I think that's probably true because during wartime, you know, you like get rid of all your stuff to like help the cause. So, but we just had our balloons for that. And Zeppelin, he came here and observed them. He worked with the French and other countries to perfect his ideas and he eventually invented the airship. So he, so just for the record, Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin passed away in 1917,

team, which is about like nine years after he started his company. The first successful flight of a Zeppelin, the LZ1, took place on July 2nd, 1900. Eventually, there were more flights. Germany used a zeppelin as an aerial bomber during World War I. They used it to bomb France, the UK and Belgium. It's a very, very German invention. So it's like, did he invent the concept of an airship? Yes.

Oh, that's pretty, like, revolutionary. Yeah, absolutely. It's definitely like, there were like kind of planes a little bit during this time. I was like, that was starting, but it was like, how can we get in the air faster, you know? And that's why he was thinking like a ship. And the only really concept you had for like long distance travel also was a ship. Ship, yeah. You know, because it takes like 10 days to cross the Atlantic on a ship, like a steamer, you know.

So you have that idea that it's going to take a long time. It has to be huge. Right. Did you ever watch Fringe that show? If I did, I don't remember it. Well, two things. Oh, my God, this is like, this is a thing and a thing. Do you ever watch Hot Tub Time Machine?

Oh, yeah. Did you see Hot Tub Time Machine 2? No. Okay, it's better than the first one. It's so good. But one of the sun will go, this is just like fringe. And then everybody else will go, you're a fucking nerd. And nobody likes you.

And nobody likes you. It's so funny. So whenever I think of fringe, I think of that. And then also, so fringe is very complicated, but there's like an alternate universe. And the only difference is that 9-11 didn't happen and there are zepplins. It's hilarious because you like know you're in that universe because you see the, see the twin towers and also there are zeppines. Do you remember in the hot tub time machine when that guy went back and he created Lugel? Yes.

So good. And they really was listening to a motley crew song in the car. And I only know it, I know it best for being a Motley Lou song. pot of time machine. Oh man, I need to re-watch that now. The second one's so good. You have to watch it. You've also probably heard that the Empire State Building was planned to be a place where you could drop people off in Zeppelins.

But it ended up there. Makes sense. Yeah. So the basic framework of a Zeppelin is an oblong shape. You know what it looks like. It has an aluminum frame because aluminum is very light. It's covered in fabric. The fabric is painted over with a few layers of like special paint and chemicals to make it sturdy.

The Zeppelin itself is full of hydrogen. Hydrogen is lighter than air, so it floats, but it's obviously very flammable. Yeah. When a better gas to use than hydrogen would be helium, but helium is a naturally occurring gas, and we're currently in a helium shortage. During the early 1900s, when the Germans were like, oh, we should try helium. The only people that really had an abundance of helium was the United States, and we would not give it to them. okay so they had no choice but to use hydrogen yeah right now scientists estimate that at the current rate of global conception we have enough helium for like another 100 to 200 years and then it'll be

over no more balloons so in 300 years yeah no balloons a birthday party is future kids yeah that's to be you yeah my god and that along with how we feel about clowns is going to completely destroy the clown community it's going to be over absolutely there's no helium uh We wouldn't give it to them because it's the early 1900s and we don't trust them. And so it's filled with hydrogen. There's essentially like 16 giant balloons in the middle of the Zeppelin filled with hydrogen. There's fins that do the directions on like the sides and the back to help it go up and down. There's like an engine and some like propellers.

There's a control room. It has wheels like a like a ship wheel to keep it steady and to keep going up and down. So the captain kind of works in there. in some cases like in the hindenberg there's passenger cars there's a restaurant like also in indiana jones jumper that part of indiana jones when they're getting on the airship and then he's like no ticket because he punches that guy and goes out of the window i believe that every time i leave this podcast my man that's like seven more hours of media consumption for me so you know whatever it's pre plane travel but planes are close um the problem right now is they don't know how to press press press pressurize

that airplane so it has to fly low and then it takes a long time to go and it's very dependent on the weather because now you know you fly above the weather but you couldn't do that then the Zeppelin also was not pressurized so it was also pretty dependent on the weather and then there was also

some water like a whole bunch many tanks of water in it that they could like that they could ballast out so like dump up the water so that it would go up and down so all kinds of ways to make it move there's Nazi flags on the side of this thing I'm going to get to that. No, that's the craziest part, I think.

Okay. Okay. So it sounds scary and kind of fun. The current Zeppelin that you might think of would be the Goodyear Blimp. And Goodyear blimps were actually just balloons, like a big hot air balloon, until 2014, when they started getting remade as helium zeppelins. Good Year actually works with Germany's ZLT Zeppelin Luftschink, which is the same company that Zeppelin started. So it, the company is like back and making zeppelins. And that's what Goodyear works. worked with to make these new good year, like blimp zeppelins. After World War I, the Treaty of Versailles told Germany they couldn't make any more zeppelins for their military, and they made them destroy all of them. So the company continued and did passenger zeppelins. And then after,

in World War II, they built the V2 rocket for the Nazis. And the company dissolved right before World War II ended. But they had some money kind of set aside. And it was re, re, like, created in, the 1990s. So yeah, it's a very Nazi thing, like you were saying, which is not what I remembered. Are you going to go into more detail about what the passenger experience was on the Hindenberg? Yeah. Okay. Then I will suspend questions. Going back to the beginning, even though it sounds scary, because you're like in this big, huge, huge thing, zeppelids are actually pretty safe way to travel. For the first 30 years or so, there are a few accidents, but Germans are very confident that this is like, this is it. This is the way to travel. One notable Zeppelin

was the Graf Zeppelin in 1929. It flew around the world. On August 7th, 1929, and it left from Friedrichshafen, Germany, and it took 21 days to travel all around the world. It stopped in the Soviet Union, Japan, the United States. People were super excited because they had done this traveling fastest anybody had ever traveled around the world. There were a couple accidents. Some in the 1900s were people crashed and nobody died. There was, in 1910, the LZ7, known as the Deutschland caught fire and crashed during a test flight. Two people died.

In 1913, the LZ20, known as a Zeppelin L2, crashed, and all 28 crew members on board died. And then in 1933, the USS Akron, which was not a Zeppelin, but an airship because it was from the United States, encountered severe weather, and they crashed and 73 people died in that one. So there are accidents,

but also like what transportation isn't perfect you know there's like one story where a zeppelin disappears over the ocean like it never made it but like that happened the other day with that Malaysia airline flight so yeah I was going to say also like I mean by compare I mean planes couldn't have been super reliable right yeah yeah yeah totally so I don't yeah I don't think it's like crazy it's not crazy dangerous so let's I'll talk about the Hindenberg itself and what was it happening inside of it it was named after the German president Paul von Hindenberg. Hindenberg is the guy who appointed Hitler as chancellor.

Bad move. Bad move. Yeah, bad move. It is one of the largest airships ever constructed. It was completed in 1936. It was 803 feet in length, so like five passenger planes, like really big. The inside the ship itself, there was like the gondola, which is the part that like you see that hangs off the bottom. That's where like the captain was and the crew where they could like guide the ship.

the passenger quarters were kind of inside the balloon part on the bottom, like layered on the bottom, and they had windows that were like curved going out. So if you were like in an egg sitting on the bottom of the egg, you know what I mean? Okay. There were two decks, a deck and B deck. The decks had sleeping quarters. They were really small, like a small little room with bunk beds. And then it had like there's a bathroom.

There was, and then there were like some lounges, places where you could, you know, hang out so also for the rest of the ship because that's only a tiny part of it where the passengers were for the rest of it you know it like it's like it's this big space with these big balloons of gas and there was a corridor that went through the balloons and in the middle of that there were some rooms for storage and for the crew so it must have been like really dark and loud and scary inside of of that corridor it sounds scary as shit yeah it's huge only windows are on the side yeah so you could like walk like you know 800 feet it was like dark tunnel surrounded by flammable gas oh yeah there's also a reading and writing room to send telegraphs so you could like read and send messages to people in that room

and there was also a smoking room which people think is funny and like it's definitely funny but people couldn't handle being on a three-day trip and not smoking like that was the problem with the graph zeppelin like it was like people were like i can't i'm not going to go on this trip for a week and not smoke a cigarette. So they made a room that was pressurized and you had to go in and be smoking there. There was one electric lighter allowed on the entire thing. You weren't allowed to bring in matches or lighters or anything like you were like searched before you got on and you could smoke in that room. The smoking room is not the problem. It's not the thing that exploded. It just happened to be a room where you could smoke on this like bomb essentially. Yeah. I like how you phrase that. Smoke inside this

bomb. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. A safe way to smoke inside a bomb. there was a bar that had paintings of flamenco dancers on the side there was a lounge with a piano the piano the piano was specially made out of aluminum to be lighter than a regular grand piano because otherwise it would be too heavy to be on the ship there is a website that i'll share called on airships dot net there's a lot of pictures of the inside of it so it's like a nice like luxurious way to travel so it's a really nice lounge the windows are kind of on kind of on the side looking down so you can look down the rooms are small but it's a short trip it's like a little bit like two and a half days. So people would, you know, be able to go on it and then just like kind of hang out and then be across the pond. It seems like most of anything pasture related would have to be inside of the actual balloon. Yes. So the idea is tiny. Yeah, it's inside the balloon.

If you look at the picture of the Hindenberg, you see little tiny windows at the bottom of the balloon. Those are the windows from the passengers, the passenger decks. Yeah. So they were like in the bottom of the balloon. They weren't in the gondola, which I thought. Right. But they weren't. A ticket on the Hindenburg, one way, was approximately $450, which is $9,400 today.

Wow. So it was like a luxury thing. It can cross the ocean in two days. Ships take like a week. Before 1937, the Hindenburg made 17 round trips to and from Germany, 10 to the U.S. and 7 to Brazil. Super successful. No problems. Now it is May 3rd, 1937, and Hindenberg is about to come to the U.S. again.

1937 is a crazy time to be in Germany. Hitler was appointed chancellor in 1933. The Nazis are getting worse and worse and worse. It's very totalitarian. It's a year before Kristelnacht when they started to be very publicly violent towards Jews, but they've been doing terrible things for years now. There's propaganda. There's the Gestapo. There's the SS. It's a year before the official outbreak of World War II. But Germany is starting to invade other countries. So it's like it's starting gearing up for war someone actually wanted to rename the Hindenberg the Hitler

which is like unbelievable but also like Hindenberg isn't a good guy but it just doesn't have the same like tone as naming it the Hitler the visceral reaction isn't quite there yeah and not the same so this is the thing that I think is crazy

there's like very scary propaganda posters that show like the Hindenberg and Zeppelins with the swastika with like the eagle with like the scary German things. Do you remember when we went to that German propaganda exhibit at the library? Yeah, yeah. So it was at the LA Public Library, like several years ago, but we went and it showed a bunch

of the propaganda. And then some of the takeaways were like, imagine what they could have done with the internet, you know, like it could be exponentially more scary now. And then also like, this happened because good people were like, it's no big deal. And then it got out of control and it was too late. You know? So it was like a, I thought that was very. good message like you have to stand up right now before that thing so it there is something

unusually daunting and scary about this thing with nazi symbology all over it because it's just a giant I mean it looks like a missile like it looks like a giant bomb yeah big silver thing yeah totally like swastikas are fucking scary like they were like hearing the word hitler like you're afraid like it's a scary symbol to see so the Hindenberg leaves Germany on May 3rd 1933 97 people were on board. They approached the U.S. on May 6th, so three days later. They're heading for Lakehurst, New Jersey, and that's where the landing strip is and where they can land.

There's also a lot of reporters there. The Zeppelin Company really wanted reporters to be there whenever they landed. This was the first flight of the season, so they wanted everybody to, you know, record it and be like, Zeppelins, they're awesome, you know. So the weather starts to get bad. It starts to get rainy and starts to get kind of windy. and so to delay their landing

so they swing by New York City and this is a part that's fucking insane because they flew an airship with swastika on it over New York City like that blows my mind there's video of it but at that time there was just a country's flag right it didn't have that meaning

yeah but you like kind of knew like I feel like people didn't not know it wasn't like zero you knew that like and also people were still probably mad at Germany since we just did this right right You know, the Empire State Building was built in 1931. So people could have been on top of the Empire State Building 100 or so stories up, like watching this.

And I have video of it that I'll share. When I was living in New York City, I worked at a hedge fund. I was on the 38th floor of a building overlooking Central Park. It was beautiful and an awesome view. I saw two crazy things from being up there. I saw the space shuttle being brought to D.C. on top of an airplane. I remember what happened. It was like hugging it.

It was super cute. too, actually. Yeah. So watch that out the window. And I also saw the, um, the miracle on the Hudson plane in the, in the Hudson. You saw that landing? I didn't see it crash, but I saw it floating. And I knew it was happening because my friend Juliana from work, she had left work early to go home to New Jersey. And she was on the ferry that pulled people out of the water. Wow. So she was like literally like giving people her coat and pulling them out of the water. But I saw it floating from the building that I was in. So you see crazy things.

One experience. But I had never heard that it had swastikas on. The Hindenburg had swastikas. So that kind of blew my mind. If you do Hindenberg in New York City, would you see it? Yeah. There's a five-minute newsreel from Britain. I'll send you the link.

And you can see it and it shows it like a video. Wow. Yeah, that's kind of crazy. So the weather's getting bad. It looks like an act of aggression. It doesn't look like. That's what I'm saying. It's scary.

It's scary And they've used Zeppelins to bomb, you know, the U.K. or World War I. They've used them for that thing. So now it's heading back towards New Jersey. It took, it was about a 12-hour delay that they

had because of weather. So kind of like floating around trying to figure out when they can land. The captain, Max Proust, is attempting to maneuver the airship for landing. It took about three hours to get from New York to New Jersey. So technically they could have waited more. more, because they don't really, like, they kind of float up there for an definite amount of time,

but they wanted to land and get going. There are passengers waiting to return to Germany. So they were going to flip it around and go right back to Germany. So they started to, as they start to kind of go into New Jersey, the back of the Hindenburg is a little low, like lower than you'd expect it to be. So they start dropping some of the water ballast to kind of get it to go up. You don't know exactly what was happening because there isn't like a black box, of recording, you know, so you don't know exactly what they were thinking.

They could have potentially, like, has sent a guy back to, like, check on it, what was going on inside of it. They dropped their anchor lines. So they dropped their anchor lines, and those hit the ground. And approximately four minutes later, flames erupted. And that's what you see in the newsreels is the, is it burning. So have you heard Herbert Morrison's live account of the humanity? Okay, I'm going to read it in a second.

But also, do you remember in, like, elementary school learning about, War of the Worlds. Oh, yeah, yeah. Orson Walls, yep, yep. And they, like, make it seem, they did when I was, like, in third grade. Like, people were dumb for believing that War of the Worlds was happening and that it was, like, their fault. But if you ever really listen to it, it's fucking scary.

It sounds like a newsreel. You wouldn't know that it was someone acting. The only thing that really kind of weird is, like, the time doesn't make sense, but I don't know how you would know it wasn't real. Like. Yeah, I mean, that form of entertainment didn't exist. So, like, why would you, yeah, why would you ever? assume it wasn't real. Yeah. So, okay, I'm going to do my best Herbert Morrison impression.

Let's hear it. Ready? Okay. So he's with Charlie, he's engineer. Charlie is his engineer, and Herbert Morrison is a reporter from Chicago. So he says, starting to rain again. The rain sucked up a bit. The back motors of the ship are just holding it, just enough to keep it from. It's brists into flames. It's burst into flames. It's falling. It's crashing. Watch it. Watch it. Folks. Get out of the way. Get out of the way. Get this, Charlie. Get this, Charlie. It's burning. It's crashing. It's crashing. oh my get out of the way please it's burning bursting into flames and the it's falling and the mooring mass and the folks between oh this is terrible this is one of the worst catastrophes in the world oh it's flames crashing oh four or five hundred feet in the sky and it's it's terrific crash ladies and gentlemen it's smoke and it's flames now and the frame is crashing to the ground not quite to the mooring mast oh the humanity all the passengers screaming around here i told you i can't even talk to people their friends are on there i can't talk ladies and gentlemen honest it's just laying there a mass of smoking wreckage and And everyone can hardly breathe and talk on the screaming lady. I am sorry, honest, I can't hardly breathe.

I'm going to step inside where I cannot see it. Charlie, this is terrible. I can't. Listen, folks, I'm going to have to stop for a minute because I've lost my voice. This is the worst thing I've ever witnessed. Wow. Those three seconds. Wow.

That feels, that really, like, puts you there in the moment. I mean, the way you read it really well, because, like, I can feel the panic in the way you read it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I didn't even think about, like, people are waiting for their friends with, like, the welcome home signs, you know, and they're watching it explode. It's crazy. The flame started in the tail rapidly spreads through the ship. The hydrogen ignited, fireball, 30 seconds, and it's gone.

People were jumping out of the cabins, people on the ground running and screaming. 36 people died, 13 passengers and 22 crew members and one worker on the ground. So a fair amount of people, more than half people did survive. Yeah, because it was, wasn't it, like, close to the ground already? so it's not like it, and I would imagine as the flames are running through the thing, the gas is like gradually escaping, not like it's just

like gone and then you're dropped to the ground. Like, I'd imagine they hit the ground harder than you'd want it to, but not like insanely hard. Well, it didn't, because it was, it didn't, like, it didn't like, it didn't like crash into the ground, like a plane crashed into the ground. It kind of like floated to the ground, but also like, it's a fireball

on top of it. You know, it's like all fire. And then like a little bit where passengers are and that fire is on top of them. So yeah, they were pretty close to the ground. They were about 200 feet above the ground. People did start to jump out of it. Some crew members even threw ropes out and like mattresses to help people get out. There's an emergency hatch. They slid down. So some people were like on their way running out of it and then it crashed on top of them and they were burned. In the British Pathet News thing that I'll send you and share, they show that happening and it's awful. People are running out of it and then it just crashes on top

with them. And it's really awful. So the mystery is why did this happen? Like no one really knows 100% what happened. And I'll show you, I'll share that footage with you, but all the footage is from one spot because that's where the reporters were. They were in like the reporter area. So they all have it from like one angle, but there are a lot of videos of it. They show people you know, jumping and running and being smashed. So there had to be a spark somewhere, obviously, to start the fire. Some of the theories are like maybe it was sabotaged because people don't like Nazis. That could be a part of it. Maybe something exploded in the back. Maybe there was a leak. So the back of the ship was like getting lower. So maybe the hydrogen was leaking that you can't really, you didn't really know. And then I watched this documentary on PBS that's like relatively new about a new theory. A man named Howard Shank, his uncle was there and had a video camera. It was like a windup video camera. But he was in a different spot. So we got a different angle. from the Hindenburg that no one has seen before and from that they did some they flew to germany with like some experts and they did some experiments and what they discovered and i think this is pretty

convincing is because it was raining the ropes were wet and the top of the zeppelin was wet as well and when they dropped the ropes and the ropes hit the ground it like connected it and then the whole thing became electrical and then once that happens the water creates a spark so it's like why you don't have like a toaster of the oven it does the bath you know what mean and so when they did it when they did their experiment they electrified the rope and then the top of the zeppelin they got it wet and it took four minutes to catch on fire which is exactly what happened on the so i'm pretty convinced by that i thought it was really interesting um so because they were like rushing to to go down in the in the rain and just like the way it connected

happened to like cause a spark so after but they don't know and we'll never really know for sure because all the evidence is destroyed it's just like destroyed there's nothing there's just like aluminum burned aluminum girders or whatever so after this there were no more transatlantic zeppelin flights it was over people still had you know like a ticket to go back that day and they didn't obviously planes started to get more sophisticated and then also like we're folding into world war two so there's other things to think about. The last Zeppelin airship constructed by the company was the LZ-130, Graf Zeppelin

2. It flew in 1938, but it didn't go across the ocean again. It was used for like sightseeing and Nazi propaganda during World War II. Right. I kind of think that I would go I would go on one because it seems like so weird. I feel like we don't even talk about

like the two days over the ocean on this. That's crazy. It sounds super scary. But like fun. it definitely sounds scary yeah so i mean also at that hedge fund that i worked at in new york they were like like companies who wanted you to like invest in them would like give you stuff and two of the guys i worked with got to go on the good year blimp and they said it was really really loud that was like their biggest takeaway because like you're below you're like low and the windows can be like opened you know so like yeah it's like a loud thing so now you can

kind of do that but and i think you can also do like sight seeing blimps like around obviously but I also feel like I would not go on a hot air balloon so I don't know I read something that I'm looking at this up there are only 25 blimps in the world right now huh yeah they're super rare apparently only half they're in use oh I guess they're different right yeah like a blimp is like a balloon like a big balloon and a zeppelin has like the whatever the like metal inside there were 119 zeppelin's built I mean there wasn't a lot of either basically yeah And if any exist... They're so big.

Like, where do you put them? Yeah. Yeah, the whole parking thing is really wild. How you're supposed to just, like, tie it up to it. I don't know. It's cool. It's cool. I would definitely...

I would love to write on the Good Year Blum. I don't think I'd do as Eppelin. I do the Good Year Blum. That's fair. I'd like to do, like, it'd be cool, like, sleep at us up one. Do like a one-night-one. I don't know what it was possible, but it sounds pretty cool. There's something about, like, vast open spaces that just scares the hell out of me.

No, I think it would be... inside that giant, what is it, 800 feet? Yeah. So scary. So scary. I don't know. But I feel like it's safe. I feel like now it feels like it would be safer because they have like computers and also I would want a parachute.

Like I don't want to do that. Wait. Wait, so there's actually a page on the Goodyear website on how to get on the blimp. Ooh. Can you like sign up? Oh, they're my invitation only. All right. Let's get on that list.

Okay. we're going to have to call our agent and tell them to talk this up. That's what we want. That's our next step. Figure out Larry. I don't want to be a blimp named Doom to Fail. I want to be a blimp that's like very successful.

Yeah. We're doing great. So yeah, that's it. They don't really know what happened. Zeppelin's kind of one way. They're kind of like a cool nostalgia thing to think about like that we thought it was going to be the thing and planes ended up being the thing.

I think a red flag for this and for a lot of like transatlantic travel like the Titanic is like, you know you want to go to europe and you want to come to the u.s and you want to connect it you want to be fast and luxurious and like super fun so one more thing that i wanted to mention real quick is another thing that they tried to do that ended up failing to go back and forth from europe and the u.s was the concord oh yeah over the concord so yeah it's a couple of bullets on the concord it was a supersonic jet that flew from the u.s to to mostly to by sea to London, also flew to Paris in Singapore. The first flight was in 1976.

The fastest flight was on February 7th, 1996. The Concord flew from New York to London in two hours and 52 minutes at the speed of Mach 2. That's so crazy. Right now it takes seven hours to get for that flight. Yeah, I've read a lot about the Concord, about how, like, given how fast it flies and how superheeded the air outside gets, the thing like is elastic like it expands and contracts like dramatically

it has a sonic boom yeah yeah yeah and they don't do they don't go sonic until they hit the Atlantic I don't think right because loud

yeah it would just shadow everybody's windows yeah yeah so they it's also very loud like I know someone who took it and she said it was very loud because they're going like

supersonic through the air it was also very luxurious very expensive it could hold 100 people, only like 100 people at a time, passengers. And so because it's so fast, very similar to the Hindenburg disaster, there was one big disaster on July 25, 2000, a Concord crashed shortly after taking off from Charles de Gaulle Airport. What happened was a strip of metal on the runway caused a tire to burst, leading to rupture the fuel tank, the fuel ignited, mass of fire,

loss of control. The aircraft crashed into a hotel, resulting in the deaths of all 109 people on board and four people on the ground. Remember this? Flights were halted. There was a test flight a few days later that had engine failure. It returned safely. But that was the end for the Concord as well.

In 2003, it was grounded for good. They were, you know, super expensive and hard to maintain. They had more fuel than other planes. And, you know, not a lot of people could afford to even take it. So they were like, it's kind of outpriced a lot of people. So just like the Hindenburg, you know, one big thing kind of turned the top. on that form of travel. I wanted to just say that those are some ways

that terrible things can happen when you're going across the ocean, but I wanted to tell you that on your way home to enjoy your slow leisurely flight, but also considering how long humanity has been around and that it took Columbus 10 weeks to get to America in the first place, it's pretty good.

We're doing pretty good. I actually thought the flight here, I mean, it was about eight hours, And easy, easy, breezy. Like, I hate, I hate flying, but I thought it was surprisingly easy to just, like, zone out. I mean, they take care of you, right? Like, you get fed and constantly and watered and all that good stuff. So, yeah, no concord needed.

It's not too bad. No concord needed, exactly. Cool. So that's it. I'll share some videos. It's crazy. It's a crazy crash. Real scary.

Yeah. You can see why it's so famous in, like, in history. And also, um, a lot. a lot more Nazis than I realized. Yeah, yeah. Well, I didn't realize there any, so that was a surprise. Exactly. Yeah.

I knew there were Germans, but, like, I forgot that the Germans were Nazis during 1937. There's four good year blimps. Yeah, four good year blimps. Yeah. They even have one in Europe. Oh, good for them. She didn't want people write on it. Austin Taylor, that was cool.

Sorry, I'm going to lean back up. I have some corrections from last week's episode, if you have a second. So my father-in-law is the doctor, and he listens, and he's the best. So he texted me to tell me that I was wrong about chemotherapy. It's not radiation. There's actually two different things. There's radiation therapy that's more general where they, like, put you in front of the machine and like radiation, like, goes into your body.

And chemotherapy can be more like deliberate and more exactly, not exactly where it's going. So it's like not radiation. It's like different kinds of drugs that are meant to. stop the cancer from growing. So they both have the same goal, which is to kill and change the cancer cells so that they don't grow anymore. Right now, there's actually some things that people are working on on biological agents, which are called biologics, and they're used, usually antibodies that treat autoimmune conditions in cancer. So that's sort of like the next step in cancer research and cancer care. And so that is, you know, hopefully coming soon,

hopefully going to do something really great. This is a terrible, I'm so sorry, Victor. And then So, yeah, radiation might happen before chemo, the chemo itself is not radiation. Got it, got it. Okay. That was a good correction. Yeah, I saw you posted that. You posted that. You posted that on our Facebook page, I think.

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Victor. Thank you. You're the best. Cool. Well, thank you, Taylor. I'll go ahead and kill the recording.

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