Doomed to Fail - Ep 20 - Part 1: Call the Keystone Cops - It's Fatty Arbuckle

Episode Date: April 12, 2024

Imagine one of the most famous movie stars of the time being embroiled in a sex scandal (that's both the plot of this story and a joke because things today in 2024 are literally insane). Fatty Arbuckle was at a party in San Francisco and a woman died. We won't ever know what really happened, but the following scandal ruined many lives.  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

Hi, Taylor from Tim to Fail. We are almost done with our re-releases, folks. Our first 26 episodes, we did two stories at a time, but then it got pretty long, so we do one on Monday and Wednesdays now. But this is episode 20, part one, on Fatty Arbuckle, one of the most famous actors when film first started, who got embroiled in a scandal, someone died. Did he do it? Did he do what? Like, it's not even clear what exactly happened, but either way, his life was ruined. and so it was the life of the person, obviously, who died in the story. So Hollywood's always been crazy since the beginning.

I hope you enjoy this re-release, and let us know if you need anything. We're at Doom DeVille Pod on all the socials. Thank you. In a matter of the people of the state of California, first is Hortonthall James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. So we're going to effortlessly pretend like we didn't just have that conversation. Taylor, how is you, how is the driving movie theater?

It was very nice. We saw, well, we have a truck now. So we wanted to drive the truck to the drive-in. So it was super fun. We like had this tiny blow-up mattress. So we used that and then like had some blankets and stuff and watched the movie and it was very delightful. And then like, I don't know anything about trucks. I was like, I think it'll be fine.

Sliquely the blankets in the back. And we definitely lost the air mattress and the back. Like, it's gone. it's in the wind but was the truck bed closed not like the top okay yeah i'm surprised the air mattress will fly out actually i thought i had like happy with blankets on it i thought it would i thought it would be okay but it was not so lesson learned interesting but you did you see it fly out because you've stopped and gotten it we like heard it and then like i stopped we stopped and i put everything else in the car like in the cab part of it but i um no it was pitch black

It was like, it's like a really, really dark road. And so I was like, I'm not, we're not dying for this air mattress. Yeah, yeah. Not worth it. Yeah. Yeah. And was it, was it funer to see Mario Kart in a truck? Yeah, it's so fun.

Like, we like all snuggled and we're all sitting together. And Miles is the sweetest little boy. He kept leaving the snuggle to stick his butt out the end of the truck and fart. He didn't want to fart in the snuggle. Oh, my God. That's so cute. He's so cute. So he'd be like, I'm right back.

He'd like go a little fart and then come back. I think I commented when I saw a picture of Juan with a truck that we have to go get him cowboy boots next. It's very fun. Still looking truck. Still looking truck. Yeah. Cool.

Well, shall we get rolling? Yeah. Well, let's say first that you're in Ireland. I'm an Ireland. And we tried to record those a couple times and we were both unavailable. It is probably the most inconvenient time zone overlap of anywhere. Like Australia and New Zealand have a much. much wider gap in time, but it actually circles back around in a way that makes it much

more convenient. Ireland is not. It is 4 p.m. here. What time is it for you, Taylor? 8 a.m. 8 a.m. for you. It's 4 p.m. for me. And I'm here for a wedding.

So weddings start midday. And that makes it super super inconvenient. And, like, actually, there's another thing. I don't know how I'm going to do this, but there's another thing happening tonight at a tavern that's supposed to start at 6, but I don't think I'm going to go a little bit late because I should need some time. So the invite says it starts at 6 and it goes. So it says 6 p.m. late.

So there is no actual term ends to this, but. Amazing. Yeah, my body's, my body's seriously hurting right now, but it was awesome. It was really, really cool. It was really fun. It was an amazing wedding. They're an amazing couple. Get to hang out with a lot of old nature worlder people, which was really cool.

So, yeah, yeah, all good things. Yeah, I guess we can go ahead and kick things off. Welcome to Doom to Fail. I'm Fars, joined here by Taylor. We were just having a little bit of a chat about farting in truck beds and Mario Kart and Ireland. Yeah. Very usual. This is going to be released on time because I'm further ahead in time.

I can spend all my morning editing the podcast for release at 10 a.m. Pacific on said Monday. so all right yeah yeah it's gonna actually work out perfect okay good so uh we're gonna go ahead and take things off and hold on did i pick a drink yet i don't know if i picked a drink you go first today right i think i do go first so wait you should start with your drink then okay well i actually am drinking coffee but my drink is a mimosa because it's mother's day my mother's happy mother's day taylor you're right thank you thank you it's nothing to do with my story but i just I have some prosceco in the fridge and I will make myself a mimosa later. That is awesome.

That is awesome. I need to call my mom. Call you, mom. Yeah, the wedding, again, my head's just been in a different headspace for the time being. It's still a mother's day. Yeah. It's still a mother's day.

So I think for me, I've been like mainlining guineesses for the past eight days. So I think I'm actually going to go with Guinness. I think that's my drink. Gotcha. You're 90% Guinness at this point. Yeah. By body weight, I am. And I'm not, it actually has nothing to do with a story.

Because our story is more of like a Hollywood story. And Guinness is a very Irish beer, but I'm feeling Irish. So I'm going to go with that. Nice. Yeah, you're in Ireland. When in Ireland? When in Ireland, mainland Guinness and Middleton and Red Breast. And it goes on like that.

So I started researching my favorite murderer in American true crime history. and I got pretty far before I realized that it actually has nothing to do with the premise of our show, so I stopped. But what I was researching was actually a murder that you mentioned before Taylor. Can you guess which one this was? No, wait, what your favorite murder is? Yeah. I don't know. Can I have one hint? Okay.

You mentioned it in a podcast where you reference the Buildmore. Oh, the Black Dahlia. There you go. Yep. Okay. So I got in the weeds on the Black Dahlia murder. There's so many details around this. There's so many suspects.

And what I realized was nobody was charged. We just have some educated guests on who did it. But as a result of that we don't actually know why she was killed. There's one presumption I read that she was killed because this doctor who owned the Jaws house, remember? That he got her pregnant and wanted her not to have a kid. and so he killed her. There's another story I read where she was killed

by Bugsy Siegel, like that famous mobster at the time and was thrown around thrown over to the under the Hollywood sign where her body was found. But really like there is no conclusive details

on what happened to her. So as a result, it's kind of like just an unsolved mystery. So why there's no red flag, right? So what can you say about that? What about that redhead cop? I didn't read about a cop doing it.

It's like a redhead cop that like might have done it I don't know anyway that he is redheaded does that have anything to do is that how they identify him

yeah okay ginger suspicious you know what I can't say that here that's true you're in the wrong space don't tell anyone I said that

I can't say that here but yeah so I was like okay well like that's kind of out I mean I do have a pretty good write-up on it so I could probably do a little side piece side thing on that but um i decided to kind of stick it stick with la stick with black and white and i shifted to another super super famous in mysterious death the death of woman named virginia rap do you know that name i don't think so okay you might know the other name because the other name

is the other name is the reason why this case is famous so the person who was the alleged perpetrator of this was the guy named fatty rbuckle oh yes yes yes yes yes there was I do know this album. Okay. There we go. So for Butterworth, the main character in the death of Virginia is basically Faddy Arbuckle. For those that don't know, Faddy was basically the equivalent of like a Ben Stiller in like the early 1900s. So he was basically like a renowned comedian.

He was a silent film star and he was essentially Hollywood royalty. I'm going to get into like how much this guy made. Like he was insane how much money this guy made. Like digging into like the background and bio of Fattie. So he was actually born Roscoe Arbuckle in 1887 in Smith Center, Kansas. Faddy's dad was kind of an asshole. Faddy was born 13 pounds, which that's heavy, right? Holy shit, yeah.

Was his mom okay? My kids were six and they were, that's pretty small. I think average is like seven or eight. 13's a lot. Got it. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

So his full name is Roscoe. Conkling Arbuckle. And the reason for that is because his dad was so sure that the mom cheated on him to get pregnant by fatty because they were both very slight people. And this kid was born at 13 pounds and he was like, obviously this came in my kid. So he named him Roscoe Conkling Arbuckle after Roscoe Conkling, who was a U.S. Senator known for being a womanizer in like Uffalander and just sleeping around a bunch. So that's like how his life started was he was named after basically a guy that was like very much looked down upon in society and yeah that was basically it so i don't think that is that's a i mean like who knows that that's true but like that's not true

but like you can't have a big baby if you're little yeah i i i don't know i mean i i assume that's not true but again like 13 pounds might be freakishly huge i don't know but um yeah yeah that was a that was a take on it at least so at 11 years old i mean just this this actually just case my head and thinking about this stuff so at 11 years old fatty's mom died and basically the dad was like you're not my kid i'm not going to support you wow so like i was looking like i would okay so again going back to be being in ireland jeff dunn is the one who planned this entire trip like every minute it was accounted for you go from here to here it takes this many minutes to go here all of it every second move was

planned by him if he hadn't done that i was like dude i would have just landed in ireland and probably just like died somehow like i wouldn't even got the wedding venue this kid was 11 years old and was like go support yourself it's crazy yeah that's crazy and then by 17 Fannie joined what is like now we would consider a comedy troupe

like improv type of thing it was back then the name for that what it was essentially was a Bob Bill show so it was like him and a bunch of his friends they would do like these acts around the city and all that good stuff and that's kind of like the start of his foray into the entertainment industry

he blew up from there by 22 by age 22 he was in silent movies and he was basically this like huge celebrity so it was it was it was this one show called keystone cops that is where he got his launch so he did this sitcom for i think two or four see no two seasons keystone cops he did that and then from there became famous enough to where he is like a silent film star essentially that show keystone cops, that's where the pie in the face stag comes from. Like, he invented that. Yeah, I feel like that's like a pseudonym for

like bumbling cops. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you can look up stills of it. You can still find those and that's basically what it is. Like, again, because so Faddy, we'll find out a little bit later. He was called Fattie because he's overweight, right?

And yeah, so because he was overweight, like it was a bumbling cop thing. That was kind of like the whole guy they put together. So that was a launch of his career. And really it was like I wrote down it was basically like when Jennifer Hans did friends then transition into doing films. That was essentially it. In 1914, so two years into his run on that show, Keystone Cops, Paramount Pictures offered him $1,000 per day as a salary. So I didn't know this, but apparently back in the day, actors weren't independent contractors. They don't go from making a movie for this

studio to that studio, the other studio. They're hired on retainer by And the MGM or Warner Brothers, or in this case, Paramount. That was the standard back then. Totally. And go ahead. Sorry. I don't think it's like a show. It wasn't like a, it was like, was it, was like, were they like short films?

Because it wasn't like TV. Yeah, that's true. So it's a sitcom, but you must have gone there to watch it. Yeah. Anyway, keep going. Yeah, that's good point. Yeah, there wasn't. You're hilarious because like no one, no one likes Jennifer Anderson movies.

I know. I know. I know. It's not like a... They can be fun, but not funny. I'll say that much. Fair. So, four years into this arrangement with Paramount, Fatty, I've been making $1,000 per day. Like, that contract was crazy because it segued into another contract after you became successful with Paramount to a $3 million deal. So $3 million. What year was it?

This would have been 1920, 1921. And he made $1,000 a day? Well, it was $1,000 a day for four years. Then he got a contract for $3 million for a three-year-old deal. Oh, my God, that is so much money. I would love $1,000 a day. That's so much money right now. That's $54 million today.

Wow. So by comparison, right now, the highest paid actor is The Rock, and he makes $89 million. Wow. So that's the caliber of fame this guy was on. I know it's funny to think about because it's. It's like, who knows this guy? Like, nobody cares, right? We only know him because of what I'm going to discuss here.

But at the time, he was essentially the rock. Yeah. Calver famous, so. Totally. Okay, so let's pivot to the other person involved here, Virginia Rap. So Virginia was born in Chicago. She moved to California in 1916, where she met and got married to someone who was basically irrelevant because he got hit in the, like, most looney-tunes way possible. He got hit by a streetcar.

He got run over by a streetcar and killed. So I guess that's how you die in the 1900s, I guess. She would start modeling and acting a bit in little bit parts around L.A. By virtue of how famous fatty was, the details I just put down for Virginia, that's basically it. Because Virginia was, I had to say, but she was kind of a nobody. She's only famous of how she died. And because it was fatty that was a part of us. So that's basically it.

One detail about Virginia that was kind of cool that I read was that she was actually buried in our favorite. outdoor movie venue, Hollywood Forever Cemetery. Remember Sinistia? Yep. Good for her. Yeah. Very cool way to go. So going back to Fatty, so in 1921, him and his two friends decided to take a weekend trip from Los Angeles to San Francisco. They rented three rooms. One room was for Fatty and one of his friends to share.

The other was for the other friend. And then there was a third room. That was the party room. So basically, they just wanted to San Francisco to party. That was the entire idea. Great. women started pouring in because again this is like the most famous guy in town he shows up he's in your city and among the women that showed up was virginia so going forward i'll say that we don't have a ton of details of what actually happened we have very credible or sorry not credible the opposite non credible witness testimony about what happened we have a corrupt EA and we have fatty's word and we don't know if we can trust fatty. So a lot of what I'm going to discuss here

is just straight facts of how she was found and what some assumptions were made around what happened to her basically. Virginia was found to be very unwell and was taken to a doctor because back then hotels had doctors on staff. She was taking to a doctor and the doctor concluded that she was just super, super drunk. Three days later, she hadn't improved and a friend took her to a hospital and this friend, her name is Bambina Delmont. And at the hospital, the friend Bambina told doctors that fatty had raped Virginia. At a time, doctors found no evidence of rape. But again, this is like several days later.

So, like, I don't know how likely that would have been anyways. And it ended up being that Virginia died the next day of a thing called peritonitis, peritonitis, which is basically inflammation in the abdominal wall that's just left untreated, which it was, because she actually had with a ruptured bladder. So she had a ruptured bladder. and apparently she'd had that for at least these three days where she wasn't getting any medical attention because everybody thought she was drunk

and then she died of it. Same page? Yes. Okay. And absolute same page. Got it. I think that friend also is controversial, right? Very controversial. Very controversial.

So once this happened in Bambino told the police that fatty rape Virginia, the police decided that this is the craziest thing ever. So because fatty was fat, when she was even that fat I'll get into that. They assumed that the ruptured bladder, which was the

ultimate cause of her death was caused by him laying on her until the bladder ruptured, which is like it's ludicrous. So it's ludicrous, but this story broke and it became huge, huge news. So the Hearst Media Empire was basically built on the back

of the story. This was kind of the start of yellow journalism, which I'll get into here in a moment. But it was basically, like, imagine if we found out wanted the rock killed somebody they'd kill the woman right but you would be all everywhere it would be talking about this yeah yeah there were stories that this is so gross so there were stories that an ice pick had been inserted in virginia and then that eventually morphed into like coke cans and champagne bottles basically the media just like took this idea of fatty rupture this woman's flatter

and just like totally ran with it and just made yeah stories up so this is where convergence of several things come together so when i i wrote down several bullet points here. The first one is a rush to judgment. So I think just generally as humans, we have a societal inclination to want to watch successful people fall from grace. Yeah. And this, this was the guy. This was the, this was the highest of the high guys. The other thing I wrote down was yellow journalism. So apparently back then, like, journalism really wasn't even a thing. They would just write whatever they wanted to. And they would let what, it was basically what clickbait today back then.

So they were just right what the public wanted to hear. And then once they get feedback on the public opinion, they just keep reinforcing that. Yeah, I wrote down, like, so much of what we know about what happened in Virginia, just came from these stories that the Hearst Media Empire kind of generated. For example, that story I mentioned about the ice pick being inserted in Virginia, there was actual witnesses at the party that said that Faddy was actually rubbing ice on her stomach because she was in pain.

And that morphed into this. There's Hollywood abuse. So this is the obvious trope of an incredibly powerful, successful Hollywood man and a naive young starlet trying to break into the industry. There is obvious fat shaming going on here. So the fact that the paper turned this into, he laid on her and due to his immense weight rupture her bladder, it's crazy. He weighed 250 to 300 pounds. At his heaviest he was 300 pounds, which is like heavy, but like not like a wrecking ball size. I mean, there's a lot of guys walking around on 300 pounds.

I mean, I wouldn't want them sitting on me, but I'd got to be hurt if they did. I mean, definitely now. Yeah, definitely now. I mean, yeah, he definitely stood out back then, I'm sure. It's worth noting that I've been calling him fatty this whole time. He was actually super self-conscious about his weight. You brought this up when I talked about Chris Farley. Chris Farley, that writes me, yeah.

Chippendale, is that what it was? Yeah, how sad he was. Yeah. He was like fat-shaming, yeah. Yeah, and I read that here, too, where he would deliberately not do like the fat guy things of like the gags because he was just he was

self-conscious he didn't want to be known as that kind of a person and yeah anytime somebody would call him fatty he would tell them he would remind them that hey I have a name it's Roscoe like he never I would never call him fatty yeah yeah and then the last bullet point of the convergence of things here

I wrote that was basically medical milk like it took three days to get hurt of the the hospital and the one consistent thing amongst all witnesses credible or not at the party were that she was in writhing agony and pain and nobody did anything they took her down to the doctor and the doctor said she's drunk and then all they did when she got to the hospital was purple floor morphine so they didn't even address the fact that she had a ruptured bladder like none of that came to light until her autopsy so right that's where

that's where it all kind of came together by this point the entire country was basically ready to lynch fatty because of those points coming together. together, especially the Hollywood abuse side of it, he was ultimately indicted for manslaughter in San Francisco and went to trial. The prosecutor was a guy named Matthew Brady, and Brady really had some ambitions. His idea was he was going to use this case as a stepping stone to ultimately work his way up to mayor and then governor of California. That was his idea. Yeah. And he was basically willing to do whatever it would take to do that. And we're going to see that here in a moment. He started by threatening the main witness, another model who was at the party

named Betty Campbell. She testified that she thought Faddy had raped Virginia. He also put a doctor on the stand who testified that fingerprints on the door of the room, proved that Virginia tried to escape, but was forced back in by Faddy. Which, like, how would you know that? The idea was, like, maybe she gripped it and then, like, she was pulled back, but how would you know any of that? Yeah, he could just grab a door handle, like a normal person, trying to leave a room. yeah yeah also like the testimony was irrelevant because they actually pulled the hotel maid who testified that she had wiped the entire room clean including the doorknobs before the investigation even started oh so yeah because again it was like three four days after this happened that she died so of course they turned the room over right fatty testified yeah of course there's plenty of people have died in the hotel room with urine right now i don't actually yeah in this hotel probably a lot of people have died i mean Ireland's pretty old so And this is an old hotel, and it's an old part of town.

So, yeah. Yeah, I'm probably sleeping in a dead woman's bed right now. That's what I mean. Fatty, test-fighted his trial. And his version of events is that he discovered Virginia vomiting in his toilet. He, she asked to lie down in his bed. He carried her to the bedroom and then asked other party guests to look after her. Virginia started convulsing, and they put her in the bathtub full of cold water to kind of, I don't know why.

They said it was to calm her down. I don't know why that would calm anybody down. and apparently it was at this point that Virginia starts like whipping her clothes off and just like convulsing violently and that's when they that's when they call the the hotel doctor who was like oh yeah she's drunk that's all that's all this is

after jury deliberations they were deadlocked with 10 voting for not guilty and two saying he did it and so a mistraw was happening when a mistral happens it's like you just in a lot of cases you just keep going you just keep trying and that's what they did here so a few months

later fatty was retried and the exact same thing happened, except the jury, except the jury this time was obviously a new jury, and there was a few witnesses who mostly just referenced the fact that the head prosecutor asked him a lie. Like, that was basically it. Like, there was other witnesses that came forward saying, this guy keeps trying to give me the lie.

And again, yeah, another mistromp. So as all this is going on, Faddy has basically been turned into a social friaria. So he's not working. And because actors are contracted it out through their production companies the way they were, they had full control over what you could say and what you couldn't say. So privately, a lot of celebrities were in support of fatty because they all knew him and they were like, there's no way this guy can't

anybody. But publicly, they all said you can't talk about this. You can't come out in support of this guy. For sure, not in support of him. Don't talk about it at all, but definitely not in support of him. And so he was, yeah, persona non grata in Hollywood, so he couldn't work. So that obviously means he's, like, hemorrhaging cash and losing a lot of societal status of the result of this. At this time, there was a third trial, and that time he was actually found not guilty. So at that time, it was 12 not guilty, he was fully acquitted. Interesting fact here is that the jury, in a super rare move, wrote a letter to Faddy,

apologizing wasting his time, and that letter in part read, this is a quote from that letter, acquittal is not enough for Roscoe Arbuckle. we feel that a great injustice has been done to him. We feel also that it was only our plain duty to give him this exoneration under the evidence, for there was not the slightest proof adduced to connect him in any way with the commission of a crime. We wish him success and hope that the American people will take the judgment of 14 men and women who have sat and listened for 31 days to evidence that Roscoe Arbuckle is entirely innocent and free of all blame. So at this time, like now on reflection of what happened, most likely happened to her,

the biggest assumption is that she had an abortion, Virginia had an abortion that didn't go well, and that was the cause of the ruptured bladder. So that was, that's the prevailing theory right now. Nobody thinks that this guy sat on her or anything else happened. That's the only way where he can make sense of what happened to her was basically that. All that being said, fatty status never came back. Obviously, this child wasn't cheap.

He was basically reduced to nothing. He sold his house. He sold his cars, everything. his wife left him like he was like this guy's life was ruined basically and also movie theaters just wouldn't show yeah yeah they just wouldn't show his films anymore so there was a bunch of films that he made that were supposed to be released that weren't released because this happened yeah i wrote down the people that support him so buster keene was his like number one supporter like he was very very famous they did a lot of movies together they were actually in keystone cops

together as well and um and he's the one who financially supported fatty during all this like sure making three million dollars even like back then today i mean back then was a ton of money but you bleed through that pretty quickly when you have to hire all these lawyers for three trials over and over again you're not able to work and as a result of that buster keen was the one who basically came forward and paid his expenses so he could survive essentially that's nice he would eventually move on and would work in other ways in Hollywood so he would be like a production person he would do he would do camera equipment stuff and and all that it was basically just like charity because people who knew him were like you totally got railroaded dude like this is there was no way this shouldn't happen to you and we find a way so you can make a living and this is all you really know how to do and so that was that was it he basically did that and there's a story there that he um on the last day he was alive he went out with a bunch of friends and he was quoted as saying this is the best day of my life this is like years after the trial and then he ended up dying

of a heart attack that night at 46 years old again this guy was like the funny dude he was like he was like the he was the guy you want around and everybody would say after this happened to him he was just a shell he just walked around like just like a shell of human being like he was just completely mentally crippled by this which like yeah yeah of course you Yeah, of course. And at this time, now the presumption is that he was 100% innocent. So in recent, in the recent past, Hollywood has tried to atone for what they did to him. And they gave him a star, his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

And there's been multiple attempts to try and make a movie out of this. So it's crazy. Take a guess that maybe one or two of the actors who were supposed to play Fatty Arbicle that didn't. Is it not Chris Farley? Is it too long ago? Yeah. No. It's Chris Farley.

It's Chris Farley. It's John Candy and it's John Belushi. So all three of these guys were connected to do a film, a biopic about Fatty Arbicle's life, about this case in his life. And they all died in the development stage. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a cursed movie. yeah so so i was um i was thinking about like the red flag here like what i was like looking

out for it was like man like i think part of it is like we had first off say that virginia has no blame in this at all she never said that she never said that it was all these other answer right people the thing i didn't mention is that bambino woman who did say fattie raped her in the hospital she also before she said that called fattie's lawyer you're saying you need to send me cash otherwise i'm going to tell them that he raped her so like that actually came out during the trial as well that he tried she tried to swindle money out of out of um fatty before going insane that this happened so like yeah i don't trust her at all yeah it sucks what happened to virginia but be aware be self-aware like if you're like a successful

person or you're like high up like just don't put yourself in situations where this is a possibility because this could happen. I was trying to think of, like, another case where I've seen this. This isn't that common, is it? Because usually when it's a lettrous Hollywood man, it's true. I don't know how many times people, like, die. It was definitely, like, sexual assault cases against Jewish people. But I can't remember anyone, like, being murdered or dying.

Because it does sound like, I feel like I'm remembering stuff I've read about it. Like, it sounds like Virginia was sick. Like, there's something wrong. wrong initially um and then that friend just like wanted attention and the media just like wanted the the ad revenue and the attention like always you know and yeah and they like ruined his life like i definitely i think i've listened to a couple things about it but i don't think that he did it yeah yeah yeah i mean it's it's it's like it's almost like bible truth i don't know if that's a word that he didn't do it yeah they didn't do it like every just like yeah of course you didn't do it but

Like, at that point, it was like, let's just destroy this guy because he's like, I mean, also, was this like around the Great Depression? It was like right before it, I think, if you're saying it's the 20s. Yeah, it would have been 21. Yeah, it's before it. But also, like, yeah, he's definitely like a rich person and everybody else is poor. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so 29 was a great depression. So, like, yeah.

It's probably a steady buildup of people like, you know, you're watching this guy who's making all this money and then you're broke and, yeah, it's not going to. It's not going to lead to good feelings. And I think it's a 20s, isn't it? It's like, I think it's prohibitions. It's probably like, look, partying can get you. Yeah. Like that too. Yeah.

It's a good point. Yeah. So, yeah, I think that's my takeaway from this. Like, yeah, if you're, like, successful, if you're high up there, like, the world is just looking for a reason to knock you off that pedestal. Like, everybody's actively trying to distinguish your success. So, like, just be careful. there's also a tiny to get political a tiny smidge of abortion should be legal so that they can be safe

because otherwise so here's the thing taylor like i don't actually know if abortion was illegal back then because back then medicine was basically just like going to a barbershop and getting like sawed in half that's fair it would be that again if it was illegal was abortion illegal in 1920 oh yeah oh wow so prior to 1969 abortion was punishable by life in prison yeah wow yeah good point good there's also that i mean at the same time like i still wouldn't want to get an abortion by a doctor in the 1920s like it would still sounds like it was it would be close with that sentence but right no i mean she she had she was sick and they were like oh she's drunk like they the doctor did not help her at all no so that's certainly part of it too yeah don't get

sick in the past. Don't get sick in the past. Just another lesson. Yeah. So, yeah, that's my story. Cool. I like it. Thank you.

I like that you did an older one. I was thinking, am I getting too close to history stuff? It's fine. Okay. If I overstep, you'll tell me right. I'll let you know. Okay.

We have boundaries. Okay, perfect. Cool. Perfect. Cool. Well, thank you. I'm going to maybe watch some Keystone Cops later. It looks.

It looks. It looked funny. He was in it. Yeah, he's funny. And then one of Fatty's nephews was in it, too. And so it's just like a cool little time capsule of like the 1920s. Yeah, totally. I love it.

Well, I'm actually going further the future than 1920 that is today. I know. Wow. Okay. Yeah. So I was thinking about you. Thank you.