Doomed to Fail - Ep 201: The Living Market - Organ Transplants Pt 2

Episode Date: May 30, 2025

Today we travel to the darker side of organ transplants - when demand is greater than supply, that creates a market, right? Well, yes, but also this time people have to be cut open.  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

It's a matter of the people of the state of California First is Hortonthal James Simpson Case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. Boom, we are here. Taylor, how are you? Good. How are you?

Good. Do you like my radio voice? I do. That was nice. Before this, you were like, but now you're like, everything's fine. This is for the audience and you. Cool. Do you want to go and introduce us? Yes.

Hello, everyone. Welcome to doomed to fail. We bring you history's most notorious disasters and epic failures twice a week. This is episode 201. I'm Taylor joined by Fars. And I am here to continue a tale I started last week. Do you remember what it was? Yes, Oregon transfers, donations, voluntary.

and I think we're going to involuntary. It is some gnarly stuff. Ew. It is very, very gnarly stuff. So let's go ahead and dive into it. So like you said, last week we talked about organ donations through the lens of legal donations. We talked about the science of it, the history of it,

who does it, how do they do it, all that good stuff. But today, like you said, we're going to go into the darker side of things. We're going to look at illegal voluntary donations, involuntary donations, and the one you missed, the one place on Earth where you can legally sell your organs. Did I, do we talk, when did we talk about watching Minority Report?

It's been a long time. It's been a long time, but we watched it recently, and he gets like an eye transplant in like a dirty back room because they can figure your corneas. It's so gross. And like for some reason,

they have like a moldy sandwich of the fridge and a nice sandwich and he picks a moldy one. It's so stupid. Anyway. no i think we did it because virginia hall that scientist invented the technology that could technically bring us like the clear hologram things from minority report not obviously the

magic people who can see the future somehow i don't really get how that works yeah that's not real yeah yeah don't do back backyard surgeries people are you talking about eyes at all i'm not but eyes are something uh corneas are something that people do donate there's there's a lot there's people donate there are women donate eggs people donate corneas people donate skin um there's a story i can go into i didn't write the story down myself entirely but there was a story incredible one about a skin donation that was disgusting um that i can talk about if you remind me towards the end of the episode but yeah um no just the eye donation if you've been to new york city after jerry orbach died there were like just signs all over the subway that was like jerry orbach donated his eyes

And you're like, okay. So weird. I don't know why the I think kind of freaks me out a little bit more than the rest of it. Anyway. Anyway, continue, it's going to be gross. I can't wait. So the United States, Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE and the Gulf of states, along with South Korea and Japan, are the, where the bulk of transplant tourism is from. And that is exactly what it sounds like.

It's people going to other countries to take the organs of the people that are there. China, India, Pakistan, and the Philippines is where the majority of donors are sources. from. So the majority of people who are voluntarily or involuntarily being having their organs taken are from these areas. There's also an obvious problem to this beyond everything

we're going to talk about here, which I haven't dwelled on much. But when somebody comes in and buys those organs or does something to obtain organs from the locals, that means the locals don't have a supply of organs if they were to do it as well. Yeah, and I feel

like the word voluntary is like yes i use it loosely yes it's not like a yay i love to give you my kidney it's like a i need money for my family it's economic coercion yeah yeah is basically what it is um so these people like said they're typically southern organs for the obvious reason we just said it's the money that they need and india is thought to be the biggest supplier supplier of organs sold illegally this impacts predominantly men ages 25 to 40 with no education, with the vast majority of them being completely illiterate, with typical incomes ranging in the up to $2 per day range.

So that's who we're talking about here. For these people selling a kidney could be the equivalent of two years worth of salary or about $1,500. And like I said, they do it for money a lot of times. They do it to pay off what sounds to me to be indentured servitude debt. That would be someone who is working somebody else's land. and that landowner provides them with the tools to till and do what they need with the land. But then they have to repay that. And then until it breaks.

Then you go back to the starting to repay another. Right. And then you don't really get out of that. Yeah. These people's conditions seem to be pretty sad and difficult to overcome. And it's a weird thing that I don't, I will never understand why the people who have the least resources always are the ones who have the most. kids it makes zero sense to me well i think it's education and access to birth control i know but the education part it's like you need to get a phu to understand the mechanics of it

it's like it's a very simple thing i know but there's people in america who don't understand i'm i'm painting a broad brush here i'm not calling i'm not calling out these folks in india like we do it but this is also a u.s problem no and i think you're right that that that's definitely something that like we know why but it doesn't make sense stuff, you know, yeah, exactly. There was one farmer on a documentary I watched in India. It was really sad. Like, the guy obviously had a really hard life.

Like, he looked horrible. He looked like a sack of skin and bones doing the hardest thing in the world. And he was crying because he had sold his kidney earlier in the process to get out of this indentured servitude debt. But because of the fact that he had to keep going more into debt to keep doing what he was doing, he was racking more and more. ran out of money and he had three daughters and he was like we're going to sell their organs when they're a little bit older because his logic was that when he dies his debt doesn't go

away it passes down to his kids and then their kids yeah it's like yeah well yeah wait no student loans actually go away when you die I thought they didn't pretty sure they go away when you die um but that was his logic he was like look if I don't sell their kidneys and raise the funds to get myself out of this debt, then they're just going inherit it. And this is how kind of the cycle repeats itself. And so that was his logic behind this. Taylor is intently Googling student loan debt. It says most do, but some don't. Like a very few don't. There we go. Another thing that doesn't go away when you die is your subscription to a timeshare.

I learned that on John Oliver. It goes to your ears. Yeah. Yeah. You have a window of time that you have to express those things are so horrible um so let's go through a typical example of someone going to india to buy a local citizen's organs so typically speaking they're going to spend about 20 to 40,000 for an illegal organ transplant by comparison in the u.s for like a normal organ transplant for a kidney you're looking at about 260 to 400 000 so wait like a 10th of the price you're to go do this illegally. And it can be done quicker. So who gets what?

Let's break it down to like the middle territory of $30,000. Let's say it's the $30,000 you're going to pay for this organ transplant. What is being exchanged in terms of the cash between the recipients and the parties involved? So brokers and middlemen make between $10,000 to $15,000. So almost half of everything that is paid goes to them. Doctors in the hospitals will take somewhere around $10,000 to $12,000. Donors, they get about 1,200 to 1,500, so they make the least amount of money so far. Then you have police and political bribes, which run about $1,000 to $2,000.

So that's where the bulk of, let's say, a $30,000 donation, purchase goes. Right. So in a country where selling organs is illegal, how do hospitals and authorities not realize that the person is transacting their organs? Well, in most countries, there's a thing called an authorization committee that verifies a person doing the donating is. not being coerced or doing it for financial gain. So these folks will typically medically screen the donor, obviously. They'll run a psychological evaluation to assess the voluntariness of this. They will be interviewed by the authorization committee.

There will be a requirement if there's a claim of relation here. There needs to be proof provided of that relation, which could be in it through the form of affidavits or family photos. Or if they're not related to the donor, they must come up with some emotional attack. justification for why they're providing their organs to this recipient. That makes sense. Like I said, the goal of this committee is to ensure that no money's exchanging hands. But where is that committee everywhere?

Yeah, yeah. It's, well, not, the U.S. is very different. Like, the countries that have illegal organ donation problems are the ones where this is the most prevalent. The U.S. has it dramatically. Like, I'm not saying people don't get their organs. acted here. I'm sure they do. But it is not to the scale of what it is in like the Philippines and Pakistan,

India, and those places they have these committees that have to go through and make sure they're betting that individual accordingly. Because of the U.S., it's like, why are you donating your organ to this person? And it's like what we said yesterday, which Daniel told me about, which was, I'm on this kidney train. And I'm just going to donate it because I want someone to donate to my spouse or whatever. Like, there's a logic. There's a logic behind it in the U.S. but like if you're like a 57 year old British Cambridge professor

and you're going into the slums of India and you show up with like an 18 year old boy and you're like this is my friend it's not like your cousin that you care about a lot exactly like it's like a DJ found yeah so the countries that have these authorization committees are the ones where this is a known issue and yeah the whole

what they're trying to prevent is this exchange of money but in reality the donors through their brokers are typically provided falsified documentation, fake IDs, fake marriage certificates, birth certificates. Sometimes the brokers will bribe the authorization committee themselves. I did mention political bribery as part of the transactional costs of all this. The brokers will also coach the donors by making sure they understand they can never talk about money. They have to express their feelings towards a recipient very obviously and transparently.

And to me, I was like, this has got to be the easiest part. I actually think this is the hardest part of the whole thing. I watched a documentary where this broker was trying to convince this guy what he should say to the person when he goes before the authorization committee. And he's like smiling. He's like, I'm going to get so much money. It's going to be great. I'm going to have all this money.

He's like, no, you can't say that. It's like, then why am I doing it? It's like, because you like the guy. It's like, oh, my God, dude. Stop it. You can ruin this for yourself. You can see the broker was just like smacking her head. But it gives you a sense of the education.

level and what these people actually understand they're doing, right? In some parts of India, I read, wealthy families will legally adopt some poor villager to show familial relations just to streamline the authorization process. Like, that's the extent that people are going to go into here. Wow. Yeah. And again, if you watch these documentaries of these people in the Philippines,

it's just, it's interesting. It's interesting. It's interesting because, like, in the Philippines, I felt differently about it than I did in India. So in India, I felt like these poor people, like, they are in this weird caste system that forces them in this structure. And, like, I kind of felt more sympathy towards them than I did the guys in the Philippines because they're just like scoundrels, a lot of them. Like, they're just like single 23, 25 year old men who just eat smoke and visit prostitutes all day. And they talk about their money they're going to get.

and they're like, what are you going to do with it? It's like, I don't know, just go get a bunch of beers. Like, it's just a very different incentive structure between them. I don't know. It's probably not appropriate to feel that way, but I did. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's like cases of people who are doing it for to save their family, but also people who are like, I don't know, I have nothing else to do. Yeah, it was, I read that it was somewhere around 70% of them had spent all the money

they received from this within the first six months. It's like when people in the U.S. win the lottery and they have an incredibly high suicide rate. They don't know what to do with this amount of money because like I said, it's two years worth of salary. Like, it's a joke. So, I mean, to us, it's like $1,500 really

for your kidney. But like to them, it's a lot. So. Yeah. Yeah. Let's transition to the involuntary side of things. And this is a very dark part of things. And I'm going to focus specifically on China because they, man, they do, they are, they are not awesome like at human rights at all.

So China relied on executed prisoners as the main source for organ transplantation. 95% of all organ transplant recipients in China receive the organs of a condemned person. Wait, this reminds me, that stupid show Scream Queens, which is actually kind of fun, but It was, like, dumb. But there was, like, one, John Samoos was in it, and he got, like, a hand from a murderer, and he had, like, a murderer hand. That's kind of fun. And it murdered people, I think. That is actually how Chucky came to exist.

If we go back in the mythology of Chucky, it was an executed man whose powers were conveyed to the doll. So, fun back for you from Chuck Chucky trivia. Unintended consequences. So shocking, not shocking to anybody. Nobody knows in reality if any of these people who were condemned gave their consent to have their organs taken. Yeah. Well, it's like bodies.

We're putting out of bodies last time? Yeah. Body show and it's like mostly. Yeah. These people. So about two to eight thousand people are executed on the official books in China annually. We actually don't know the exact amount of people that are executed.

Wow. This is like the rough approximation. And also it's worth noting that in a lot of this stuff I'm talking about, there is no precise figures because all this, everything is. is done underground and shady like like so you know this is it's illegal so it's not like they're keeping nice books yes they're showing people right exactly um one group who became particularly susceptible to government abuse in china are the practitioners of a religious movement called phallon gong um this is a religious and spiritual movement started in 1990 by a guy named

lee hongzi who positioned himself basically as like a jesus like figure if you actually look up their logo it's literally just like a bunch of swastikas because like That was the symbol for like Dharma or peace or something. In practice, this thing basically functions as a religion. It literally made me think of every like 22 year old white girl in Austin with Dreadblocks who worships crystals. Like I was like, I was like, I know this personally. They don't believe in God necessarily, but they definitely are like I'm communing with nature and the spirits. Like you know what I mean like it's like that kind of a thing.

Yeah. Yeah. It's more woo woo-woo religion, not Helen Brimstone. religion so regardless this movement grew to eventually be hundreds of millions of practitioners over the years and obviously the chinese communist party hates anything that is associated with faith and religion um because it seems to be the only thing that authoritarian governments can't seem to stand because they can't overcome it for some reason yeah um so they just found ways to kind of punish them in 2006 a report was conducted um by canadian secretary of state a guy named

David Kilgore and human rights lawyer in Canada as well named David Madas. They concluded that approximately 41,000 organ transplants between 2000 and 2005 were sourced from Falun Gong political prisoners. Wow. From the 1990s until this report came out, so in 2006, apparently China and Australia had this like medical goodwill exchange program where Chinese doctors would go to Australia and get trained up by their doctors on the latest and greatest on medical organ transplantation.

A quick question. Yes. Are we talking in this in this Falun Gong folks both like I'm going to take your candy but you're still going to live and I'm going to take your lungs? Yeah, both and. Yeah. So there's, we can go into anecdotal stories. There are stories of people who have been released from these camps eventually.

And they showed up in the U.S. they got exiled to the, not exiled, like they got whatever status, solemn status in the U.S. And they would go through medical examinations and they would learn that they were missing a kidney and part of their liver. But they didn't know because they were like,

just put the sleep and then they woke up and like, what's going on? Like, but there's also so many stories of like group murders, group rapes, group like it is, it sounds very,

very gnarly and graphic. So, yeah. there's probably a lot of folks had there everything taken there was one guy who i mentioned this a little bit earlier about the skin thing where um he this doctor reported that he was in one of these camps he was in the u.s or in europe at this point but he reported that he was working one of these camps and they brought them a prisoner who they thought was dead and they told him to start removing his skin for transplantation and then he realized a guy was alive oh we hate that so much yep yep yep So in 2006, Australia decided that they're going to stop training Chinese doctors for organ transplantation and updates to the procedure because they were like, we don't know where you're getting your bodies from.

This is an ethical. We can't ethically support you. Also, it's worth noting that like I said, like a lot of this conjecture, there were some things that in this report they came out in 2006 that started kind of a lining that looked like it was way more. than just a coincidence. What ended up happening was that the researchers found that organ transplants were becoming incredibly frequent to the point where there was zero wait time in China for organs. At the same time that Falun Gong practitioners were also being increasingly thrown into these like off-site, black site kind of concentration. Right. Like a suspicious coincidence. Yeah. It's weird that these two things coincide with one another. And they already knew that the vast majority, 95% as I said earlier,

of organs that were being transplanted anyways in China were coming from condemned people. And none of this was really that unusual because prior to Falun Gong drawing the eye of the government, the Uyghurs got a trial run of what it was like to be subjected

to Chinese government abuse. They were also used for forced organ transplant donations and in some ways this is almost grosser than what they ended up doing to the Falun Gong people. Wait, who are the Uyghurs? So I'm going to go into that. Okay.

So the Uyghurs are a Muslim minority within China. If you look a picture of them, they look like, they look like Tibetan people, basically. Like they're like that. Visually they are different looking and from a spiritual perspective, they're dramatically different because again, for a communist China, atheism reigns supreme. They can't tolerate the Muslim community here. The reason why I say it's a little bit grosser is that the, so people like I mentioned in Saudi Arabia UAE and the Gulf states obviously those are

Muslims they prefer the organs of Uighurs because that is halal that is coming from a Muslim person it is more pure in spirit than if it was come from anybody else and so a lot of folks focus specifically on doing transplantations in China because they knew they had this weaker population

that was in concentration camps they could force into organ harvesting Jesus yeah gnarly I'm gonna leave it there and pivot

also I will say this once more time I like we talked about this before Taylor where I was like I'm not going to get on TikTok it's a Chinese thing and I don't want to give them

more stuff like these stories about what the government there does is like, that's today. That is not happening in 1940s. I know, I'm looking at this. Like, I've never even heard of the Uyghers. Everyone, it's UY, Y, G, H, you are.

And I, there's just so much best of happening in the world that I don't even know about. There's a New York Times. I mean, I was still living in L.A. when this happened, but the New York Times, when news of this became like more obvious to people, they did a really, really great multi-part series in the daily podcast. of the Uyghurs and what they're going through. And they're still going through it. It's just like now you have the Falun Gong and them.

And so the next to me, the next, like, these are not great people. Yeah. It's not good. I mean, if you're harvesting humans, I don't know, figure, figure something out. And one thing I didn't, one thing I didn't touch on was the Mexican cartels also, do this. And a lot of folks who end up going into Mexico end up getting disappeared. The conjecture has been that they are being trafficked through human organ forced donations and transplants. So that is that is a common thing as well. Those typically seem to mostly be alive donations or

harvesting. But I did listen to a doctor say that he did harvest someone's lungs who was not a voluntary donor to be transplanted. So, yeah, be careful. I need to, like, hold my face up because I'm going to get frown lines and some of the frowning that I'm doing during this episode. Lots of frowns. Yeah, nobody's happy about it. But I'm going to ask you this.

Where on earth do you think you can do this legally? Sell your organs. Japan. Iran. Oh, okay. Yeah. So Iran is the only country in the world that legally permits a donor to, you know, sell their organs, but there are some limitations.

Foreigners cannot come to Iran to buy organs, so you can't be an American or British national and fly in to get the organ. Also, you have to be the same nationality of the person whose organs you were receiving, i.e. you have to be Iranian. So I am actually in, I'm good. That's good. Great. If you ever need something, you can just. Thank you. Hop on over there. This one's the best part about this whole process, I think.

There can be no intermediaries in the transaction. That is good because that's where all the money goes. That's where all the money goes. There is some National Kidney Foundation that facilitates matches and runs the transactions, but it has to be done legally and without someone between the transaction. The government itself will compensate the donor directly to the tune of about $1,200. The recipient of the organ will generally compensate the donor additionally to the tune of $4,500 to $8,000. Okay.

The donor will receive free health care. The donor then also gets priority in hiring within public sector or jobs. So they've kind of normalized it a little bit. Yeah. Which makes sense too because some of the stats I read with organ donations in Iran is that it is, it was seen as something that is, I don't know, like anti-God's wishes or something. You know, like whatever, like that mentality. And so that's why they started doing this paid donation thing because nobody was donating to organs and they had the worst wait list. Now Iran literally has doesn't have the concept of a wait list for organs because people are just like, yeah, okay, I'll get a better job, I'll get free health care, I'll get some money, I'll help somebody. Also, also there's something about like helping someone that like is like you, like looks like you is from the same nationality and the same religion as you.

and I think it's easier people to get over like that hurdle of like giving giving giving this away but well yeah like they've normalized it they normalized it but that being said again the same problems that persist elsewhere persist here who's going to donate their organs for money a poor person 70% of the people been it's like always men who donate their organs in iran for money are doing it because they live under the poverty line so do they actually get jobs They do get jobs. Yeah. Yeah. So it sounds like this is, you know, it's kind of like, it's like the opposite of our prison system. Like you send someone in and it's like, well, they're going to come on and be great, right? It's like, no.

But in this case, it's like you're going to send them in and like they actually do get a leg up. It seems like the job thing takes a priority in people's logic and their decision making over the money they get directly. I mean, that sounds good. But if you're if you're super poor and you have no options, you know you walk away with let's say nine 10 grand in a country where that's a ton of money and you're going to get a good job with benefits like okay it gives you like a legit like up it's almost like the GI bill was to yeah boomers here like yeah yeah like what at what cost like you're doing something dangerous but you're getting something exactly exactly um but

kind of like we said a lot of the um under the miscellaneous side of this um this all came about because of the bodies exhibit because me and rachel we're talking about the bodies exhibit if you go to that yeah a big chunk of those people were political prisoners that were probably killed for money for like for the benefit of the party did they did we always know that like who did we think that they were I don't know if we always knew that I don't know if we always knew that yeah I'm not sure I remember it in and I went to Germany in 2000 so 25 years ago They had it there, and it's called Corporalt, which is body world. And that was the first time I ever saw it.

But I don't know, like, who I assumed they were. So the, there's something really powerful about, like, the power of denial. And, like I said, I never asked. I don't know. Well, it's not that. It's like China, China was, like, never been transparent about this stuff because they know that it would result in global outrage. When I mentioned the Australians cutting off China, like, it was, it wasn't because they had some

personal vendetta against Chinese doctors. It was because they were like, y'all will not provide valid evidence that the people whose organs you are taking have consented to this. Yeah. And until you do that, we can't, we can't, it doesn't mean that they don't have the consent. They're just not being transparent about it, but like likely it's because they don't have the consent. So that's probably the same situation here where like people started going to it and seeing

the bodies exhibit. And first off, you're in wonderment. So you're going to ask limited questions anyways. and then when you do ask questions, it's like, yeah, we got it. It's like, okay, well, conversation stops there. Yeah. But again, the evidence of this is more than coincidence. Like, it can't just be explained away by coincidence.

Yeah. So that is my two-part series, mini-series, I will call it. And, yeah, I would have to keep people go watch some documentaries about this stuff. Yeah, it's super interesting. and they will have the guys lift their shirts up and show their kidney scars and it is and on the flip side of it you look at the people

who go into these countries and do these things and this is one of those stories where you really can't be mad at anybody except for the systems that force them to interact with each other like the brokers or the policies like I don't blame the poor guy for selling his organ because he doesn't know any better

and he just wants the money and I don't blame the old guy who goes a country and gets organ because he's on a 10-year wait list. Like, he also wants to see his kids get married and have kids. Like, you know what I mean? Like, nobody's a bad person in this situation. Like, do you think it was worth it to have invented organ transplants? Yeah.

Yeah. Even though there's all this happening in, like, the black market. Yeah, I think that the way that Spain did it, as I mentioned yesterday, like, they solved so much the problems by having an opt-out system instead of an opt-in system. And also normalizing it. Like, with Iran, like, they did. didn't it was taboo it wasn't until the 1980s that they decided to actually address this but it was taboo to give your organs to someone else and so a lot of people died because it was just culturally

not acceptable and I think that if the governments and nonprofits want to make a concerted effort to normalize this they could yeah yeah I agree or until AI gets the point where it can generate organs I don't know I mean it's likely that will happen faster than governments getting shit together but Why are we even still confined to these human bodies? Yeah, this is, yeah, we're heading towards a dangerous world here. It would be just a head like in Futurama. That was funny. You actually need the head.

You've seen the brain. That's true. That's true. That's true. Cool. Thank you. It's super interesting. I hope I never need one.

But if I do, I'm going to be on a wait list. I'm going to suck. I'll take it to Iran. I'll teach you, Farsi. Thank you. It's very kind of you. I don't think of work, but I appreciate you trying. Yeah, hopefully you all enjoyed the story.

If you did let us know, if you didn't let us know, we prefer, you know, we like nice messages, but we don't learn from nice messages. We learn from terrible ones. So feel free to write to us and let us know what you want to see different or hear different. It can be a, have ideas. Be nice to Taylor. You don't know what I mean. That's mean. Yeah, please.

And thank you. I got some other ideas from folks. And then I wanted to tell you Fars that Morgan texted me today that her friend got married at the Austin Library. She said it was lovely and the bar is really great and you have to go. That is very cool. And of course, people get married there. It makes whole sense. Totally.

So definitely check that out because it sounds awesome. We'll go next time I come to Austin. Yeah. Sweet. Do we have anything else to read out? I just wanted to also tell you that my mom and my brother hiked Mount Vesuvius today. They're in Pompeii. which is so fun and I've done that before I did it like 25 years ago also as well but um very very fun

that they're in pompey one of those like flat mostly cheese pizzas when you get to the bottom along with like a beer sounds awesome I just like I was talking to someone at work yesterday about it and we were like describing individual pizzas we ate at different restaurants in Italy 20 years ago because we like remember them so perfectly because they were so good is it sorry is it mostly cheese or is it mostly sauce mostly sauce I think you got that backwards no it's it's there's it's cheese i think it's like what you'd expect i feel like other places it's like mostly sauce like i was in when i was in germany 25 years ago someone got a pizza that was just sauce and harbilled eggs and i was like the war's over we don't have to eat like this what is wrong with you

like what what go to the doctor this is crazy um yes thank you everyone and um we are available doomed to fell pod at gmail.com send us an email nice or mean but yeah i mean mostly nice i mean like i'll take constructive criticism but don't like yell at me please don't yell at taylor there's no reason to do that um so we'll go in and cut things off thanks everyone thanks taylor