Doomed to Fail - Ep 204: Fancy a Duel after the Opera? - Julie d'Aubigny

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

Today we dive into the oft-requested story of the dueling, opera singing, bi-sexual Julie d'Aubigny! We'll tell the tale of her remarkable life, from a court mistress, to dueling on the streets of Paris, to burning the body of a nun to run away with her girlfriend! Lots of twists in this one! Happy Pride!  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

It's a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. Hello, Taylor. How are you? Oh, you're bad. I'm sorry. I mean, yeah, I'm bad, but I said good for this.

You backed into a fence? Yeah, I, like, backed out of a driveway, and I, like, sidestwiped a fence, and the fence is fine. because it's a fence, but I, like, the bottom plastic part of my front door and my car fell off. I'm just like... Is it your fence? No. Did anybody see you do it?

No. Did you... You know what? For liability reasons? Let's not talk about this anymore. I mean, I mean, it's just, I'm just going to go to the dealership and put a new thing on. Just like the plastic part fell off.

It's fine. You know, it's just annoying. So the fence is not damaged. No, the fence is fine. Okay. That's what I was getting at. If you knocked over someone's fence and drove off, you're like, yeah, but the stupid plastic piece of my car is missing.

He's like, yeah, you also knocked over someone's fence. No, I did not do that. The fence is fine. Okay. Yeah. Okay, so something could happen. You knocked over, you didn't knock over a fence. There you go.

Oh, I appreciate that. Glass half full. That is the name of the game here. Cool. Do you want to introduce us? Yeah. Hi, everyone. Welcome to doomed to fail.

We bring you history's greatest disasters and epic failures twice a week. I'm figuring it out. And I'm Fars. Oh, I'm Taylor. Should I do that again? It's fine. They got the gist. We're 200-something episodes and they understand now.

Cool. Well, who is sharing first? I think it's you. I think it's me too. Any hints today or? No. No. But I will tell you that it is Pride Month and several people requested this person.

So I'm excited to share a story of a person from history who is, a gay icon RuPaul No RuPaul isn't like From history It's still alive I mean it's still

Like history's being written I don't know Like literally anyone Fine fine Oscar Wild No you already did Oscar Wild I already did Oscar Wild I'm going to pour myself some wine

Just to make this worse Um So Anyway This also ties in to a request that I got from so a couple of people asked for this person and then Justin asked about duels and I have some facts about duels because we were chatting about how you and I have chatted about how people must have thought about life and death differently in the past

of course like we totally agree with and one example that Justin had brought up in we were emailing and was duels you know the fact that you could even do it you know like you get in a fight with someone they could die yeah I just think that we like devalued life so much i mean think about it you always hear the story of like so-and-so we're married and then they had 18 kids and all but one of them died and so you're like so used to death like life is the matter yeah i think life's so matter but i think you're also used to death i think it's both okay so today we're talking about a french woman and i'm going to try one time to say her name then i'm going to say our first name but it's julie du obongi di

apostrophe, A-U-B-I-G-N-Y, and I wrote it out phonetically for myself. I was going to say Julie, because her name's Julie, get it? I would not have guessed it. This is like the learned league. It's like, sometimes they throw something out there where I literally write the word no clue, because I'm not even a guess. I'm like, any guess will be stupid. I know.

I write something stupid. Everyone's their mom. I'm just like, I have no idea. Just like, leave me alone. I know this is wrong. But anyway, Julie is later going to be Mademoiselle Maupin or La Maupin, which we can call her that too. But I'm going to do Julie because that's.

easier for me. I'm trying my best. So often, she is described as a sword fighting, opera singing, bisexual. And I wrote, who among us isn't that? I probably wouldn't classify myself as bisexual, but yes. And the opera singing and the sword fighting. Like, the whole thing. Like, we're all about package. So, some of us might be a legend. Some of it is true. Some of it might be true but I'll call out when we are more skeptical than not but also like who cares it's more fun to believe it and also I think a big theme that we do in this podcast is celebrate people who live the shit out of their lives considering the horrors of being alive what year can we give me the year so I know what to she's born in 1673 1673 okay so okay got it I mean like it's just there's horrors

constantly. So anyone who. Black plague might have still been going. Yeah. Like anyone who ends up in history for doing something fun, 10 extra points from me. Which is important. Anyway, Julie was born in 1673 or 1670. Again, who cares?

Like, I don't know. No one knows exactly when she was born in Paris, which reminds me of I pulled up this book, but I couldn't find the quote. This is unrelated. Have you, you don't know, Diana Vreeland is a she used to be an editor at vogue she actually started the the met gala she worked at the met costume institute she's just like a fabulous woman and one of the things that she says somewhere in this book is just called divy it's great is um if you want to have an exciting life first you must

arrange to be born in paris which i think is just an amazingly to say it's probably still exciting in paris you know what i said about taylor i was having this conversation literally earlier today. Remember when we were living in LA and then there was that one like French little shop that opened like on the street on the side of the office and it was just like this woman alone like our French woman alone and all she would serve

like these one or two types of like the the prosciutto sandwiches with like a little bit of butter on it. It was just so simple and so decadent in its simplicity. Man I need to go to France. I know. Yeah. So if you can start over again,

arranged to be born in Paris, everyone. So Julie was born in Paris. She, her father trained court pages in like sword fighting and like other things. So all of like the young men at the palace, she, um, he taught them how to do things. And I, it reminds me, this is, it's later, we're a little bit before like Louis the 16th and Marie Antoinette and all of that. But there's a part in there is a show about Benjamin Franklin that's on, I think Apple TV. or HBO. I don't know. But it is with Michael Douglas as Ben Franklin. I feel like I said this to you before. But in that show, it's the time that Benjamin Franklin spent in Paris trying to get the French to join the United States in the revolution. And during that time, he brought his grandson. And his grandson started to like learn French. And he became good friends with Lafayette. And he spent time at Versailles. And he got a job as one of these pages. And it was like, 50 young dudes who like really want to be aristocrats in like are lower aristocrats in a room and then someone will come in and be like I have a task and they'll all be like me me me me me and then like one guy will be lucky and he'll get the task and he'll have to like I don't know ride to town and get a sick of butter or something and then come back so it was like people really wanted to do stuff that's cool

it's kind of interesting Michael Douglas looks like a pretty convincing ben Franklin he does he does in the um I told you about the who was show that my kids are watching yeah yeah so there's a Benjamin Franklin one and when they do the part where it's Benjamin Franklin discovering like electricity through lightning it's like this man who's like super super buff with his shirt off and the rain like yelling and the guy's like that's exactly how it happened he looks like a toad yeah Benjamin Franklin was never never buff actually Michael Douglas could be a little bit chuppier to be a Benjamin Franklin so anyway that's what her father does he trains those pain ages and these guys are like Aaron got boys around the palace. We're in the court of Louis the 14th. We're two kings away from the French Revolution and Louis the 16th getting his head chopped off. He worked for a man named Louis de Lorraine Guz Compt Dermec. I'm so sorry, Nadian and everyone who's offered to help me speak French. And that guy, the de Armagnac, he was someone who has a job at the palace and his job.

his family had held or someone had had this job since the year 900. Like it is a very old job that he had in court and it will end with his son because his son will have the job and then it will be their revolution and it won't be a job anymore, which I think is like a really long time for that job to exist. So Julie is learning with the boys because her dad is teaching the boys, which is nice. So she's learning everything that they would learn. And of course, one of them is sword fighting, which is like fencing. So I'm like, have you ever watched fencing? I just, it's so, happens so fast and it's so confusing. Yeah, I don't understand how to, I assume there's got to be electronics underneath the suit and on the head and everything because I don't know how else they know because to your point it goes by so quick.

Well, they must have known before that somehow, I don't know how to your point. Like it happens so quickly and like it's so fun to watch because something like the whistle blows and then like switch. And then one person is so freaking excited. And you're like, good job. Maybe it was like paintball back in the day where like maybe it was like a tip that was like colored. And then they count the color on you. Maybe. Maybe.

So it's like I wonder how much someone who is a fencer could be in a sword fight. Like a real one. Like a princess bride style. I'm not. I'm going to cut off your stab you. You know? My theory on anything that in. involves like physical confrontation is that the hardest thing is having the presence

of mind to not lose your shit in the moment and think about the consequences of what might happen to you and I think with fencing the consequences are you either go out and have a nice dinner or you feel sad and then go to work the next day but with a sword fight you got to be like chill enough to know what you're doing I don't know I think I'd rather just be chill and not be a fencer rather than to be a fencer and then getting a sword fight and not be chill. What?

I think being calm is more important than having the skill because if you have the skill but you're freaking out in your head, but the skill can't be put down. Yes, I think it's a very mental game also, for sure. Look at us. There's such fencing experts here. You know me.

We also have been watching the Star Wars movies and like I have been watching them like in order starting with like the new one from like 2000 or whatever and like they're so bad like I can't watch them I keep walking away like don't even know what's going on now we're in the third ones like the revenge of the Sith I think and like at one point I was like I thought it was over and then we pause it and had 144 minutes left it was like stupid long they're so long it's not over um so anyway so but they do a lot of swore fighting in that and like I just think everybody would be dead if they were lightsabers because they're so freaking dangerous so very dangerous so

Anyway, so Julie fenced, which also she could get in a sword fight. However, she learned her skills transposed into sword fighting. And when she fenced, she wore pants, which was a big deal because, you know, girls didn't wear pants for like hundreds of years. But she was, you know, obviously it was easier to do anything wearing pants. So she did that. She wasn't hiding her gender. She was like a girl wearing pants.

And people were like, this is cool. And she was really good at it. So there was only 14. And when she's 14, her father's boss, that guy whose family has had this job for like 800 years, decides that he likes her. And she becomes his mistress. He's 46, and she's 14, which I hate. And he wants to keep her around. So they did the thing that they did for Louis the 15th girlfriend later.

So like another king, they did where they had her marry someone else so she could stick around in court and not be suspicious. So, you know what I mean? So this, they had Julie marry a man named Soid Sour de Maupin in 1687 and he gets sent away like illegally like immediately, illegally.

Well, the whole thing feels illegal, but immediately. So immediately he's off to do something else and she doesn't see him anymore and she can be at court and be the mistress of this older dude who's her dad's boss, which you know, that's bad. So eventually she gets bored of this guy and finds a new lover. This is like within a year.

All this goes by really, really fast. Within a year, she meets someone else. His name is Saron, and he's also a fencing guy, and Saron kills someone in an illegal duel, and they have to run away. So then I was like... You mean like a gun duel, or were they stabbing each other with their... Stabbing, it's swordfight. Oh, okay. It's all sword fighting.

So I was also like, then I was like, okay, if you kill someone in an illegal duel, that implies that there are legal duels, right? I was like, how, like, why is this one more legal than others? So in France, dueling had once actually been legal, and it used to be like a punishment for things. So it would be like, in like early Renaissance, it was trial by combat, you know? Like, we see in movies all the time, we're like, you go fight this guy in the arena or whatever. You go fight this person. Yeah. So that's, that's what it would do. But the problem was, too many people were dying. Like, too many nobles were dying. Like, if everybody resolves their problem, by getting into a sword fight duel,

we're going to have half the people that we need to continue to rule. So they had to make it illegal. So King Henri IV tried to suppress it in the early 1600s. And then later, some King Louis did more. And by 1626, it was officially outlawed and punishable by death or confiscation of property. So, like, that's so funny that, like, you would kill someone in a duel and then your punishment is death.

Like, nobody wins. but if you're like really good at sword fighting then you go start shit with wherever you want because but then you get arrested and you get killed i know but before he did this law right right right right you could just keep doing it the law is a good thing is what i'm saying i agree yeah people are just like everyone's resolving their problems we should be like calm down if they put me and you in a sword fight like can we just like be friends instead everybody calm down we're in paris let's just like eat some bread and cheese calm down So Louis, the 14th, who is the king at this time, enforced the ban.

So in the 1660s, they, like, made it very clear that you cannot duel. So by now they're actually legal. Obviously, people still did them. And that's what this boyfriend of her, Saron, was in trouble for. So privately, aristocrats could duel. And if nobody died, then it wasn't that big of a deal. If someone did die, the king could pardon someone and, like, kind of, like, let it go. But usually they would be like, don't do it.

You could also duel outside of France, I guess. So if you cross the border, you could duel someone, if you really, really want it to. And I'm also sure that, like, poor people kill each other a lot. They're probably like bar fights, you know. So it's not a place where, like, killing someone is necessarily illegal, but, like, this specific thing is illegal. It's more like wine bar fights, but yes. Yeah, yes, exactly, exactly. I did write a pub at one point, but then I changed it to an inn.

Yeah, that seems more appropriate. I don't really know the word for like a French pub in Paris. It probably sounds very posh. So for whatever the reason, the Saron is charged with being in this duel. So him and Julie, they go from like Versailles area to Paris and they made money doing fencing exhibitions. So she would still wear pants and dress like a man and they would like go into a square and like pretend to sort of. people would give them money like busking you know they like do a little thing there is a rumor of one time that people didn't believe she was a woman and she took off her shirt but i don't think i don't know if that's

true this is like a fun rumor that people have and also at this time they were wanted by the paris chief of police so they had to keep hiding and this is the first police force in paris during this time so they're starting to crack down on certain things like the dueling like things that you shouldn't be doing right so also during this time. So her and her boyfriend's on the run in Paris doing sword fights, having a great time, and she discovers that she can sing like the opera. Just like discover she's naturally really, really good at it, which is cool. Also it's like 1700s, Paris. So she didn't sing in the shower. It was actually by accident. Yeah, I don't know how she figured it out, but she figured it out. Opera has not changed that much since the 1600. So you can imagine what she sounded like. Um, When I was researching this, I was thinking how annoying it would be if your partner was an opera singer. And then I was thinking about, I was like, God, I'm so good. I never dated anyone who's like a musician or a singer.

And then as I was saying that, I kept remembering to have dated so many musicians and singers. And I was just like kind of laughing to myself. I was like, I blocked it out. And that's why I hate it so much because it was like, it's in my bad memories. It's understandable. So she can sing opera. She's really, really good at it. She joins the opera de Marseille with her maiden name and something, the man that she was with, Saran, they kind of break up.

I don't know where he went. So now she's single again in the opera in Marseille, and she meets a young woman. I don't know her name, but there are historical backups that like this happened. So she met a woman. They started dating, going out, their lovers, their girlfriends, and her family's pissed. They're like, you can't be with a woman. and they send the other woman to a convent in Avignon and Julie is like, no, I want to be with her.

So she follows her and pretends to be a nun. But that sounds, you know, you can't, I mean, I'm sure there's a handful of nun. This is real. Come on. This part is real. This part is real. So she goes to this convent with her girlfriend. They're like nuns together, which I'm sure there are plenty of lesbian nuns together, but they don't want to do it anymore. They want to run away.

So this is the part that like, like, um, like some, facts happened, but like we don't know if all these facts happened. But at one point, Julie and her girlfriend are like, we want to get out of this convent. We just, we need to go back, you know, live a more exciting life. So when old nun dies and they steal her body and they put it in the girlfriend's room and they set the room on fire. So the reason they were, they did that is so that people who found the body in the room would think it was the girlfriend and think that she was dead and her and Julie could run away together and they would never have any problems because they think that she was dead. And this is the part you don't believe. well we're still missing a entire person you know like if you take an old person's body and burn it pretending it to be a young person don't you think at some point sounds like where that old lady go i guess you're missing an entire human i just assume record keeping was lax in those days but it's not even record keeping it's like there was used to be a lady here now she's not here it's fair it's fair this is all giving like sister act vibes that's why it's a little dubious but it's a little dubious but it's a little dubious but it's a little dubious but there are records, court records, because Julie was charged in absentia by the parliament with kidnapping, body snatching, arson, and failure to appear before court. And she was sentenced to death by burning. But they didn't have her. That was all in absentia.

Like she wasn't there. So there was like this, just like a warrant kind of out for her arrest for this thing. And it's interesting because they would charge men sometimes during this time for like homosexuality. But part of her charges here were. just kidnapping and body snatching like nothing to do with her sexuality although they did address her in the things as like sir because it was like a manly crime so it's like kind of a they're trying to figure it out too but they're like we're not going to arrest like we're not going to charge her for also being gay during this it's so interesting because it's france like

whatever well no you're exactly right because the king's brother philippe du orline was openly gay at Versailles, you know, and if you watch the show Versailles, I think there's like, I don't know how many seasons there are, but the first episode is just like, oh, everyone here is gay. Like, it's just like, they're just like, having a great time. You know, you're like, okay, well, they were doing it, but in other places, like, you get in trouble for doing it. Yeah, just the privilege. That's it. Yeah, exactly. So, she gets back to Paris somehow. Her girlfriend gets taken back to her family. They don't see each other again. And Julie is only 16 now. So in the past two years, she buried the old guy,

had a boyfriend, ran away, and then did this thing, this like body snatching nun thing, and now she's back. So yes, that's my recap. Mr. Seventh with an older man, gets married to someone she never sees again, runs away at the sword fighter, discovers she can sing,

runs away again to being done with her girlfriend, burns a nun's body, has a death sentence for burning, and now she's in Paris dressed like a man to avoid being killed. Yeah, she packed a lot in. Packed a lot in. So now, at one point,

She's in a pub. This is when I wrote pub, roadside in, because whatever he is. And she meets a man who calls her, like, she's dressed like a man, and she meets a man who calls her basically like a sissy because she's a feminine man, even though she's a woman. And his name is Camp Di Albert. And she duels him and injures him. But she helps him back to health. And they become lovers briefly and then friends for the rest of their lives. She's like, good friends after that. Like, how'd you meet? Oh, she's happy. And he's like, girl, you should be singing and not going around dueling people in bars. Like, you're talented. Don't do this. You're going to die.

So she calls up her old boyfriend, the old man that she had been with, who was her dad's boss. And in 1689, he asks the king for a pardon for Julie. He says, she's young. She kidnapped a nun, but she never killed anyone. Like, that body was already dead and like all the things. So she gets a pardon at like 17 or 19, depending on the date of her birth. and she enters society in Paris and then she joins the Paris opera and she obviously starts like dating I'm going to say men and women in the show like people around she's like a part of society she debuts in 1690 she's great she's not the star of the show but people really love her and it's so fun to like go see someone in a play who possibly killed a nun like that makes it more fun you know like oh she's a sword fighter maybe she killed a nun like is a sword fighter maybe she killed a nun like is a It's exciting.

So people go, they see her. And there's a lot of opera history in this as well that I don't pretend to understand. I do have been to the opera several times, but it's a whole separate sized quest on the opera. But one thing that was interesting is that her natural voice was deeper. So she sang at a mezzo-soprano or contralto. I don't know what that means. But that kind of changed the female character as she was able to play. So they were able to write operas with more like villains and like, you know, evil queens and stuff?

She had this, like, cool, deep voice like going to sing their evil songs, which is fun. So you're like, that sounds great. Why didn't she just stay there forever and be in the Paris Opera until for the rest of her life is the story over? It is not over. Because something happens. I don't know what happens, but here's the rumor of what happens. In 1695, she definitely moved. moves to Brussels under an assumed name.

Like, that is true. She did that. She left Paris, moved to Brussels, was like undercover hiding from something. The rumor is that she went to a ball at Versailles, dressed like a man, and kissed a woman on the dance floor. And three men who were suitors of that woman got mad, and she dueled all of them and killed all three. So it's very bad if it's true.

Maybe it's partially true. There's another rumor of her dueling a male singer after he was mean to women at the opera. So she's, like, still dueling people. Maybe he has killed one to three people, like for real killed people. But either way, she had to leave Paris. For some reason, that is real. So there's like, why?

I don't know, for sure. But do you know she had to leave? Does that make sense? Yeah. So she goes to Brussels around 1696 and joins the opera there. When she hugs up with Maximilian, the second Emmanuel, the elector of Bavaria. so he's like a government official and so she's with him

and there's things like she was so dramatic in the show that one time she actually stabbed herself because that's what her character was supposed to do and Maximilian was like this is a little bit too much for me like I need you to leave Brussels and he throws a bag of coins at her feet

and she doesn't take it and she walks away I think that you should always take the money I just want to make that very clear. Yeah of course. Yeah you should have I read one thing that was like maybe because she was so like irrational so like maybe she'd really walked away and didn't take it but I'm also like she wasn't stupid

like take the money. That's dumb. So she leaves Brussels, goes to Madrid. There's another weird story where she works as a maid for a countess and she like hated the countess so she put radishes and the countess's wig to embarrass her at a party. I don't know if that's true. That's silly. Like she put like a bunch of radishes in her. In that 1698, she got another pardon, and her exile was resolved. So you got another pardon for maybe killing those guys at Versailles, maybe not, whatever, whatever it was that happened that made her leave.

She got another pardon, went back to Paris, and rejoined the opera. While she was in the opera, she was a leading lady from 1698 to 1705. And again, she was like super popular. Again, she was so mysterious, like she disappeared for a while. She's back. Some people said she had the most beautiful voice in the world. old. She got in a fight with someone on stage one time and bit their ear really hard, not like off, but like bit their ear. So she's like very dramatic. People love seeing her. So while she's there, like as an opera singer, she's like late 20s, early 30s, she meets a woman named Fanchon Morrow. I want to go Morrow. And Morrow was also a opera singer. And they fell in love. And then, oh, no, actually in this one,

one, that woman rebuffed her advances. And so Julie attempted to die by suicide, but it wasn't successful. And she, like, came back to the opera. There's just a lot of, again, opera history in there. She sang to the king at Versailles. So, like, you obviously forgave her. She gets to go back to Versailles, whether whatever ever happened or not. In 1703, Julie falls in love with a woman named Madame La Marquise de Florencezac, a noblewoman,

who was also called, who was called the most beautiful woman. woman in France. So the most beautiful women in France and the woman with the most beautiful voice in the world, they lived together for two years, just incredibly happy. They said they dwelt in such affection. They believed to be perfect. They lived together, had a great time. And Madame Lamarquise, she was someone who had also had her own scandals. Like she at one time also fled to Brussels because the Dauphine wouldn't stop like talking to her, like the guy who was going to be king. Like she should have to like get away from him. that kind of thing. So they had, they were really, really happy. And then in May 1705, there was an

opera written specifically for Julie. And that was her last performance because her girlfriend gets sick. And she dies in July of 1705. And as soon as she died, Julie was just so upset that she retired from opera and she kind of disappears. So some people think that she went back to her husband, who's that guy that she had been married to this entire time who she barely knew when she married when she was 14 so she could have enough hair with the other guy or she went to a convent and was like, I'm going to go back to a convent.

I don't know why any nuns would trust her and let her into a convent. But either way, we know she died in 1707, but we don't know how, probably just because of the horrors of being alive. But she died when she was 33-ish, depending on how old did you think that she really was. But after her girlfriend died, she never went back to opera. So she packed a lot in, And she also makes me think that Aria Stark was based on her.

Oh, maybe. It's like there's so many overlaps here. Yeah. The crazy decisions, the murders, the everything. Mm-hmm. Like the in and out of good graces of everyone. Yeah. Yeah.

For a wild story. Yeah. Wild the historical figure. And there is a play called Julie the Musical. They came out in 2022 that is based on her life. A lot of fun A lot of fun Swar Fighting in there

Yeah Yeah looks like it does pretty good Want some awards Um So wait Wait so how did you find out about this Um A couple people asked to be about it

They just forwarded me a couple things And we're like Have you heard of this bisexual queen And I was like I have not It's a badass woman So That'd be fun

Very very fun It's a shame that with folks In history that that back in time there's like really no good pictures of them. You want to be able to put a face to a name and like I'm looking at I know we're like

almost there because if you look at like if you click to like her that first man that she had been with you click on him he the the Gump de Armagnac he you can see a painting of him that I feel like I get what he looks like

you know but that's because he had a higher status so he had those butter paintings of him yeah yeah which also looked at that and was like why did everybody look the same they all had this derpy look in their face well they're all French yeah I hope but I guess

um sweet well thank you for sharing do you have anything to read out I do we are at a stalemate on whether or not coconuts are good it is two to two it is me and Morgan against

you and Nadine so thank you Morgan and Nadine for both immediately messaging me and telling me that I was either right or wrong about coconuts. Can Juan be the tiebreaker? No, because I think you likes them. You are so off-sides on this one. Yeah, so let us know how you feel about coconuts, the raw ones. Doomedepelpod at gmail.com.

What do you mean the raw ones? When have you had a cooked coconut? I mean, the coconut flavor and like a curry, you know, like that I like. I assume that's made out of a coconut. You know, like, I don't mind, like, I will drink a pinia collata. You don't like the white flesh when you, like, peel it off? That's what I mean. Yeah.

You don't like that. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I do not like. So good. I'd be totally fine being on a dessert island with full of coconut trees because, like, it's a perfect food. Like, it's got liquid. in it, it will hydrate you, it'll give you electrolytes, and then you can eat the meat

and then you feel satiated. I know, we've all seen Moana. I've never seen Moana. Okay, well, everyone else has seen Moana. Everyone else has seen Moana. And we know that the coconuts give them all they need. There you go. And they love the coconuts. Write to us at Dunifalpategumel.com if you are pro-coconat or

anti-coconat, which if you're anti-coconut... But then my question is, also, do you like the flavor? Because, like, I... The flavor of coconuts in, like, a pinia, colada, like, how real coconut is that? Like, I love, like, a banana runt, but I know a banana runt, but I know a banana runt doesn't taste like a banana. When's the last time you had a coconut?

Like, literally six months ago, Miles and Wong got him from a guy on the side of the road. Okay, so Miles is on my side, too. I don't know how many he ate. I'll ask him. So you're trying to rig this game because you're, like, trying to limit the, the amount of voices we're hearing from. I just think we should open up our pool, people. Not just my family.

Fair, fair. Sweet. Anything else, Taylor? That's it. Thank you. Find us everywhere that you go to socials and listen on Duma to Philpod. Please tell your friends. That'll do it.

We'll go ahead and cut things off there.