Doomed to Fail - Ep 205: Under Pressure - Japan Airlines Flight 123

Episode Date: June 11, 2025

Have I said before that I think that we think that talking about plane crashes would just make our deaths in one TOO ironic? So this is saving our lives. Let's talk about the horror of the short trip that was Japan Airlines Flight 123 - A fully filled, gigantic plane with over 500 people- that lost control 12 minutes into the flight, then they wobbled around in the sky for THIRTY MINUTES before crashing. Learn more about this horrible tragedy with us!  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

It's a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A. 019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for you. Boom, we are back. Happy whatever day. This is Taylor. How are you? Good. How are you? Doing, doing well. You shared a very fun historical story.

It's interesting. I feel like as we're getting into our group with these things, it's becoming more and more predictable. what we end up talking about. Like, I can almost, even without knowing anything about the topic, I think you probably could guess what I'm going to talk about. Do you think you can guess it?

Are you going to be any hint besides that? Knowing what I like to talk about. Aser Klein. Other podcasts? How's the book, by the way? Good. Any fun, fun things that have been. or things that have been illuminated for you there.

No, I've got to pick it up again and finish it. It's almost too. Yep, yep. No, we are not sponsored by Ezra Klein, but I will go to the grave, Ezra Klein, fanboying him. No, my topic is going to have to do with another air disaster.

Ooh. There's just so many of them, and they're all, it's so interesting, like how these small, stupid little things build up and result in something horrific. The problem is that you don't know that oh wait you want why don't you introduce us

oh I didn't even I forgot hello welcome to doom to fail I'm Taylor joined by Farr's we bring you history's most notorious disasters and failures and interesting stories twice a week and we have covered many an air disaster because it's fascinating and scary and it's because like you don't

know what you don't know until it happens you know and you're like oh yeah we should do that from now on and it's like well a thousand people are dead like you know right so oh also we've like barely been doing it maybe it's because i watch and read i mean i mean you know what i mean you know buying's like very very new for humans it's pretty incredible we've done so far you know it's absolutely incredible yeah um so yeah i'm gonna cover another plane disaster and mostly it's just like it gave me like insight into like the superstructure of like aircrafts and it makes it so much more scary because then you can like think about what's behind the walls that you see in a plane that's like there's so much that you're not seeing that could be going wrong that nobody sees um so i'm going to cover a really bad one it's japan airlines flight 123 which went down on august 12 1985 killing 520

passengers and crew. Wow. It was huge. It was, can you imagine that 520 people on a plane? I think like maybe the A380 can carry that capacity.

Yeah, no, it's a lot of people. There were actually four survivors in this one, which is crazy. Whoa. So we're going to talk about the plane,

the flight, the investigation, and what's happened since. So the plane. The plane we're going to talk about is the Boeing 747 SR variant. there's a ton of variance of individual plane types. Like you hear about the 747,

there's a 747, 100, the 200, the 300, the 747, 8. It's like, they create all kinds of variance these planes. The SR in the 747 here, do you know which one this is? It's the bubble one, right? You know that? Right. Is that like a second floor? Yeah, it has a second floor.

Yeah, exactly. The SR, in this case... Have you seen snakes on a plane? Oh, yeah, of course. Is that like that? I haven't that movie came out when I was like 18 I don't think I don't recall

but oh my God um continue so the SR in 747 SR stood for short range this variant was specifically built for Japan Japan Airlines

requested this plane because there were several things that are going on it's also like ties in a world history which is really fun so they needed an ultra high capacity very short range hauler and the reason was that apparently in the 70s and 80s Japan's economy was like

the best it was the biggest like it was the king cupa I don't know why you describe it but interestingly enough I think that was the the joke that like everything was being in Japan well yeah I mean now it's everything in China but like yeah that was that was the time period so it was yeah anybody who's like into cars would know like the 70s and 80s were the worst era of American cars in Japan was like oh yeah can totally take this market over and they did. But because the economy was booming, there was a lot of travel happening,

but also it was happening at a weird time when Japan hadn't really figured out a high-speed rail shot, Ezra Klein, again. Right, it's not going to say that. I know a way to get there. That doesn't involve going there. There you go. And so as a result of that,

they're like, we need to be able to transfer all these people, make us the new variant of the 747. Some changes that Boeing made for the short-range version was the fuel capacity was reduced to like a quarter of a standard 7047 47. Pasture capacity was increased nearly by double with the top deck hump

extending way past the normal variant and all the Cs Tour economy. Like it was, so they were hacking them in there. I really want to raise my hand because I have a question. I don't raise my hand. So I would like

a plane that is capable of doing anything that just goes short ranges. Yes, that's what they build them. But I mean, like, I don't want it to be just a specifically short range. I feel like that, that makes me nervous. Should that make me nervous? So there's a reason why you got to make a specific kind of plane for that specific kind of use, which I'm going to get into here.

Okay, cool. The most important consideration, there's so many here. Well, one of the most important considerations has to do with pressurization and pressurization cycles. So, think about it this way. A typical 747, like the 747, like the 747 that we're all used. used to. That's a transatlantic plane, right? It takes off in Atlanta. It goes through one pressure cycle a day. Maybe it'll go through one and a half because maybe it'll turn around in the same

day, 24-hour cycle. But like, that's a consideration. With a short-range hauler, you're not going through one pressurization a day. The thing is doing this route five, seven, eight, ten times a day every single time is a pressurization cycle. So it goes into the engineering of the entire plane. to ensure that it can withstand pressurization over and over and over again. Oh, is that something that can like age a plane? We're going to find out. Shits.

But that's to your point. A lot goes into this, right? So, like, for example, the fact that they were going short range means they need less fuel because you can't land with like a ton of fuel, which bade it lighter, which means you need to reduce the components, the structural components of the landing gear. It is a huge undertaking.

It's not just like a one and done thing. So in this case, the plane we're discussing was delivered to Japan air by Boeing in 1974. And by the day of this event in 1985, it had undergone about 19,000 pressurization cycles up and down, up and down. Okay. Do you know what pressurization is, by the way? I imagine it's like what makes me able to breathe in the plane. Yeah, it's literally that. It's changing the internal atmosphere.

pressure so that you don't die on a plane right which is why like you have to have an air mask if you aren't going if there aren't any yep it's called hypoxia and we're going to discuss it here in a second which is a little bit of a leading thing but so the fight itself the day of the event the plane was doing its usual route from Tokyo airport to Osaka that's what it was just back and forth back four five seven times a day and that's not very far 260 miles it actually was only 10 to 15 minutes of climbing 30 minutes of cruising and then 15 minutes of descent and landing. It was a quick, quick fight.

I like those lights. Yeah. 12 minutes after takeoff, for some reason, which we'll discuss later, the plane underwent rapid decompression. And like we're talking about here, obviously decompression is really bad. It means that there's something within the structure of the plane that is cracked, leaked, ripped off, that means the plane can no longer manage what's called an environmental control system, which is the ability to pressurize the internal so that you can breathe at 30,000 feet,

which you shouldn't be able to. That's the part that I hadn't thought about because it sounds so awful, but like, why would you need to have to do that? Like, what would be the case where you would have to use your air mask? And, like, of course, it would be because it depressurized, why do you pressurized? There's a hole in it. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Yeah. At first, the ceiling, like the top part of the plane towards the back of the plane just caved in completely and it became kind of clear shortly thereafter that whatever was going on in the tail of the plane also knocked out the hydraulic lines and we're going to learn later on because a photo from the ground was taken that it would that the vertical stabilizer which is the big fin that sticks straight up at the back of the plane wasn't there anymore whatever happened took out that whole structure of the plane got it uh-huh So this is basically a death sentence.

Right, but you're still, like, alive. You're still alive. Ugh. When I was, when I was, like, watching, like, May Day and all these air disaster shows, like, the one thing that just keeps getting, like, drilled into my mind is the absolute singular worst thing that can happen on a plane is the hydraulic mechanisms going out.

Because when the hydraulic mechanisms go out, the captain and nobody in the cockpit has any control over the flight. controls of the plane. Like you are just at the whim of the wind and your air dynamics. That's it. It's terrifying. Um, yeah, so I wrote here like they can't rely. Go ahead. Sorry. Oh, and like that also is, I think the reason that like planes can't just like fall out of the sky because they're going really fast and they're flying and there. So you can't just like stop that. So it's going to like, slowly hover and go down and then you die because you can control it, right?

Which is basically what we're going to get into. Yeah. Actually, it's interesting because there's only ever been one successful crash, I guess, of a plane that had its hydraulic line separated. It's like the 1980s or

early 90s, I think, and somewhere over Sioux City, Iowa that this happened. And if you watch the videos of it, it's like, holy shit, that was successful. The thing just bare rolls and burst into flame. But only 112 people died. So, like, that was considered successful. I even can't believe that in this hideous year that we're living in, that plane landed upside down and everybody lived.

Yeah, it was nuts. It was nuts. So that one was really interesting because, so they had all the hydraulic lines severed. I forgot what the cause that was. But you still have your engines. And so what the captives in that case we're doing was they have two engines on either, one engine on either side. And so they would just, like, apply thrust to one. reduce thrust in the other, and then, like, that'll slowly turn it one direction and then

increase thrust, then reduce it to lower. They were trying to do it that way, but you can't do that with any specificity. So, like, the thing just, like, sort of came down and they're just, like, dropped all away. Very lucky. So observers from the ground, in the case of this plane, Japan Air, 1, 2, 3, they notice that this thing, I mean, it's over Tokyo. like it's in a highly dense populated area

also it was still climbing when this ended up happening so people could see it would they notice what I think would just pitch up and down and oscillate from side to side like it was just like a drunken plane like it just didn't know what it was doing it would basically start pitching its nose up

and then it would get to the point when the air speed wasn't enough to sustain flight and so it was just the nose would drop because of just like basic physics and then it would increase air speed as it's like plummeting to the earth but then it would catch the air speed again would catch the wings and it would go up again

like it was just as not it sounded like it was a nightmare for anybody on that plane so also like I'm looking at pictures like the tail fin is so huge it's huge on a 747 they're stupid huge yeah and the whole thing was gone and there's a picture there's a grainy black and white

picture of this if you see it yeah you can see like there's nothing there. Wow. So the pilots eventually tried to control the movements of the plane by doing what I mentioned with that other flight, which was using the engine thrust. Later on, we'll also learn that they didn't realize, I mean, they didn't know what was happening.

And they didn't know that their cabin had depressurized. So they didn't have their oxymast on at any point in the middle of all this. And like through the voice, cockpit voice recording, these guys sound drunk. Like, like, they're right. They didn't know what was going on. Also, they were dealing with this insane situation that nobody had lived through before. How could they not know it was your pressure is? Was that alarm off somehow?

Shouldn't that be known? So what happened is that the plane would drop to certain levels, and then it would cause the alarm to go on and off. The other thing was that there's a mountain range that's off to the side of Tokyo. Eventually, when they go over that mountain range, the air there is thinner at lower altitude. And so the pressure gauges on the internals of the plane weren't reading that. Oh, my God. So this is where we get to that piece. The plane would basically go in this weird looping fashion up, down, side, side.

It was literally just at the whim of the air. That's all it was doing. And it was on track with the pathway of Mount Takamagahara. It's a lot of A's, but I promise I spelled that right because I reread it four times. that sounds way easier than trying to speak in French so yeah fair fair um and what it was trying to do was trying to control its altitude to try and get back to an airport I assumed that there was like a sense of like there is one part where the captain has heard saying something about like all hope is lost or something like it was very like it was they realized that this

is a really uncontrollable situation the plane ends up clipping one of the wings ends up clipping about 1,700 feet, a ridge on the mountain. The thing rolls over, explodes, and this whole thing that these pastures experienced was over 32 minutes. Over 32 minutes of uncontrollable up, down, side, side. Yeah, it sounds really, really bad. What a nightmare. So the U.S. Air Force was tracking all this in real time and actually spotted the wreckage

first and phoned it into the Japanese authorities. Japan's Air Force spotted the wreckage that night. but reported that there were no survivors, so no attempt was made to try and get to them that night and said what they did was they got to the town at the foothills and set up a base camp essentially. And it's probably like a really small town.

It's a very small town, yeah. Later on, it would be determined that more people had actually survived this flight than before I mentioned earlier, but they had died because of exposure to the elements and like the frigid temperatures up there. I forgot that you said probably have lived. What do you live this?

Yeah. It was an office. duty flight attendant, a mother, her eight-year-old daughter, and a 12-year-old girl whose parents and sister had died in a crash as well. Wow. Yeah. So let's get to what happened. Investigators started looking at the rear of the plane, given that due to the cockpit voice recorders, it was clear that the tail controls weren't doing anything and they weren't active. And also that photo came out that we talked about earlier showing the rear stabilizer was missing. So they dug into the most crucial component in the back for pressurization

a thing called an aft pressure bulkhead. And it's like part of the thing is kind of creepy to me because it's like a huge functional thing that's behind you in every plane and you never see it because it's always hidden but it's like the most critical part of like the structure of the plane.

The way to think about about it is basically past the part that you can see of the plane there's a huge dome. like structure that is made of alloy or some sort of a composite material. And the

point of it is to create a pressurized seal between the pasture cabin and the unpressurized tail section. That's the idea. Keep everything in. It actually expands. It's meant to flex a little bit because when the thing gets pressurized, it gets pressurized to 8 PSI and it pushes it

like a plug into place at the back of the plane. So, okay, can you maybe do that one more time? So like what has back there so there's like a space behind like where the flight attendants are where there's like the press the thing like lives in there yeah it's like an unpressurized spot yep yeah and like part of the way it works because like is this similar to how like the screws on a plane aren't very tight because they need to be able to pressurize that's uh yeah same concept yep yep yeah

it's it looks like a an umbrella that's been opened and is on its side and it's like just plugged into it the back of the plane and it's huge okay which it was which is a problem uh they are crazy difficult to replace you have to deconstruct the plane and like saw off the tail section to get this thing out because it's like a huge structural component within the plane and in situations where they need repairs there's like obviously pretty strict protocols in terms of what you should do and how you should repair it in 1978 four years after that plane had been delivered, and seven years before this event had happened,

during a landing, a pilot was super aggressive with what's called the flare of the plane, which is like that nose-up approach to landing, and scraped the hell out of the bottom of the plane. It was a tail strike, a bad one. Apparently a lot of people actually were injured in this because he really did some damage to this plane.

That tail strike, seven years earlier, had cracked that pressure bulkhead in the back of the plane and the airline knew about it so they called Boeing and Boeing technicians came in and we're like well we're going to fix it they repaired it and that was it that's what they thought happened trying to think out how to explain this in way it makes sense so in this situation a tail strike had caused cracks in the bulkhead so if you're looking at the umbrella there's like grooves and cracks in it right and it fixed it the technicians were to place another metal form over that crack

and they were supposed to run two rows containing three rivets each across the entire length of it to fasten it to the air pressure bulkhead. That was the way you're supposed to do it. Instead, they cut a metal slice plate in half

and then did the same number of rivets but for two pieces instead of one. And what they found is that that essentially means that each rivet has to hold twice the amount of pressure that a single rivet has to hold it actually when i was reading this reminded me exactly of that kansas city hyatt disaster remind me of that too because people like it was holding the second one where it shouldn't

have been holding the second one it should have been supported by the ceiling or whatever yeah they're holding each other yeah if it's it was in that case it was supposed to be one thing all the way down but but what they did was they did they fixed the bottom one to the top one And so then it was like two pressure points instead of one. And that was exactly what happened here. The FAA would investigate this later on and determine that the failure point for this after the repairs they did was after 11,000 pressure cycles. By the time this had happened, they were just over 12,300. So they got pretty far with it for what it was.

But again, it wasn't meant to fail after 12,300. It was supposed to fail the end lifecycle of the entire plane, which was decades or maybe a decade, away. It was way wrong essentially. When the bulk had reached that failure point with that 8 PSI pressure blowing through it, it cracked wide open and shot back

ripping off the entire tail section of the plane. That's what knocked out the hydraulics. That's what knocked out the stabilizer, all of it. It basically doomed the entire plane. And that's kind of where it ended. It was found to be

a fault of Japan Air It was found to be a fault of Boeing technicians. There'd be obviously a ton of lawsuits involved. Two employees for Japan Airlines actually committed suicide, even though there was no criminal liability whatsoever. But a maintenance manager and airline engineer who had certified the plane's airworthiness, both felt such shame that they killed themselves over this. And it happened again.

It happened again in China, like a couple of years after this. The exact same thing. There was a there was a tail strike to the, that affected. the aft air sorry the aft pressure bulkhead and back then in china for like years while this plane was being used people could smoke in the in the planes and so they lost rear stabilizers hydraulics plane crash everybody dies they go look at this thing and they see there's there's nicotine stains in it like where the hell is a nicotine stain come from like oh my god this thing's been cracked for like 15 years and all the smoke would like eventually find its way out

through the crack and stained it so that, yeah, they knew it was busted. It was unbelievable. So, first of all, I can't believe you see you'll smoke on planes. That is insane. And sounds awesome. You think that, but I think you'd find it gross after a while. Yeah, maybe. I mean, it'd be gross if I was, like, not smoking.

You know, I mean, I'm sure that, like, whatever. So what about the people who lived? Like, how do they survive? So, well, there was no how, I mean, they just were lucky in the location on the plane and they just happened to not die. Also, I did look up something about how, like, women, for some reason, are way more prone to surviving in situations where, like, there's like a survival requirements. Oh, yeah, this is what it was saying. I asked Chad GBT this. Women have metabolic, their metabolic efficiencies way better than men, which slows starvation.

They run 10 to 15, 10 to 12 percent. Oh, they have about 10 to 12 percent more body fat than men, which means that they can survive things longer. I think you learn that in the donor party, too, that like women survive those things a little bit better. Estrin has protective effects on the cellular level. It enhances the immune function, reduces inflammation. Women have better cardio fat. Like, it's like, yeah, like this list keeps going on. like yeah in cases of famine shipwreck

concentration camps gulags like all of them have found that women outlive men in those situations I mean for what reason I mean although it is strange because two of them are children one was eight and one was 12 so like I don't know if that applies uniformly although they're probably more resilient because they're young so I don't I don't know I don't know why they totally yeah do know for sure because they did ask the people they were like

yeah, I would like come in and out of consciousness and I could hear a lot of screaming. And then every time I came back to consciousness, I'd hear less screaming. And so they, and so later on when they went up, they'd like, yeah, if they'd gotten up there that night, they probably could have saved a lot more people, but like they were just like up there, strapped to their chairs. Oh, you mean on the ground they heard screaming. Oh, I hate that. So in the plane, were they wearing their masks?

I don't know if they were wearing the masks. Yeah, I don't know. I thought you meant on the plane they would like go in and out of consciousness because you know how like if you are like drunk in a car crash you are more likely to survive because your body can't react

You can tense up Yeah So I wonder if you're like better off just being passed out During that you are because you don't freaking live That 30 minutes of awful but Yeah I mean yeah in that case I think getting hypoxia and not knowing what's going on It's probably the best case scenario for you

100% But yeah Aft pressure bulkheads never knew I had to be scared of them and now we do. So there you have it. Gosh, I wonder, like, it's so interesting that we've gone, like, back and forth on, like, huge planes, you know?

Like, with that, like, Trump plane fiasco, like, part of the issue is that there aren't airports that will take a plane that big anymore, you know? Yeah, that was a huge deal with the A380. The A380 was supposed to be, like, the biggest plane in the world. And even airports that were built for 747s, didn't have the facilities.

capacities to like handle a plane of that size and scale um and yeah like they we like thought the biggest plane was the answer and then we were like oh no let's build trains well so that was actually part of the problem in this situation because they had tried to direct them to an airport that was closer to them that didn't require them to this weird loop situation to try and drop airspeed when they didn't have any controls but they're like we're not fully fueled 747 like I can't land in some rinky dink airport I need a I need a real airport exactly so exactly yeah i um yeah i'm imagining so we we have a tiny airport here so there's always and we have like the military so there's always planes around and stuff um and then like i'm

always just so scared and like i saw two planes like really close to each other in the sky and i was just like i don't want to be here for this have you ever looked out and seen a plane fly underneath your plane i've seen one like far away i say there was one time i must say just like pure serendipity I looked down and I saw a plane fly underneath us. I was like, oh, my God. It was like a bullet. Like my, like, I barely registered what I was looking at. Right.

Split second that it was there. Because when you're up there, you're like, oh, we're cruising. I always forget, like you were saying before, like how, yeah, like that photo, like, when you're, like, when I see planes, like, coming into Palm Springs or whatever, like, you know, they're always, like, they're landing. so I can like see that it's a plane. When a plane's at like full altitude, like you can barely see it. They're so hard, you know? Yeah.

That's so interesting. I like, I do like when you drive past the airport night and you can see all the planes in line. Isn't that cool? Do you remember that place in L.A. next to L.A.X. It was a bar. I can't remember what it was called,

but it was like a plane themed bar at L.A.X Right outside L.A.X is right past the runway. You could just go there and like grab a drink and just like sit there and watch the planes take off. It was so fun. That's so cool. There's a little, a nice bar and restaurant at the at our local airport and it's really cute you can like go but then like

the the thing is that like Elvis and such used to like fly in from Palm Springs is to go to that restaurant that would be cool to see Elvis's plane yeah for like a little a little drink um cool well that's very very scary I'm trying to think if I've ever seen Air Force one flying I don't think I'd ever have I did find the pictures that I had from remember i told you i saw that the spaceship getting a piggyback ride on the airplane i saw those pictures they were like really crappy because i took them from like my blackberry whenever that was but it's cool it like flew like low over central park and like in the thing that was fun yeah i think what we saw the exact same event because i was in new york i was flying in and out of new york

sometime in like 2012 11 something around there and i remember i saw the i saw that too the piggyback playing on the seven four he sounds like that's crazy looking it's crazy that was cool um but i'll bring more disasters because in the middle of like trying to research for this one i ended up going down a rabbit hole of watching like 15 more air disaster shows on youtube i know i just it's yeah it's fascinating stuff i know like while you were talking i was like i watched like a thing and it ended up being these like just like a dramatization of like the pilots being like what's going on. What do we do? And you're like, I don't know. And also like, once again, talk about Star Wars. I talk about Star Wars. Oh, in the last episode, how we're watching like the original

star, not the original ones. The number one, two, three. You know, everyone knows. And like, I just hate how many. You mean the original ones? You said it right the first time. No, no, but the original ones are three or four, five, six. Watching one, two, three. You mean the ones that recently came out? Recently it means like 25 years ago. Yes. Oh, those, yeah, those suck. No, I know they're terrible. I know, I know. We know they're terrible, but we're watching them in order and, like, whatever.

So those are the ones I mean where they're terrible, obviously. And, like, yesterday we were, like, watching a part where they're, like, Anakin and Padme were like, I love you so much. And I was like, has George Lucas ever had anyone tell him that they love him? Because this is so, like, unbelievably awful. But the number of, like, flying cars stresses me out. And then, like, they're always in, like, like, everyone is, like, flying in a battleship and I'm like, can we just like sit down

and have this conversations? Because this is like so dangerous. I was watching the L.A. riots on CNN just now and they spray painted and set fire to a bunch of Waymoes. And I was like

sentient like AI driven things are like the only way we're going to serve. We'll be nice these things. Like we got to be nice to these things. I would set fire to a scooter If given an opportunity I mean

Like a bird My problem Here's the thing Here's saying the problem isn't the scooter The problem is the people that ride the scooters Remember I had that idea For the people, they'll be better Yeah

I had that idea that like if For an app where you could just like Tell people where scooters are And like set them on fire Because I hate them so much I mean they're not here obviously We're very lucky But like man they're just like garbage

And like covered in pee and like disgusting on the ground people just like pick it up and use it and I'm like girl I know when I see one that's like I've seen them abandoned on the side of the highway I'm going to 110 before I'm like what were you doing like how drunk and high were you that you ended up with a bird or lime here

it's so dangerous yeah yeah so yeah that's terrible I can't wait to hear more terrible stories of link crushes yeah there's another one that I'm contemplating but I think I'm oversatuary our listeners with air disaster stuff so maybe I'll take a breather for a bit I mean it's just it's so many people in one spot you know that makes it so dangerous yeah you're in the air

which is like safe but like unless something goes wrong like you're saying to stuff that like has like I remember I was talking to Ben my pilot friend he's like yeah but every time you figure something out then that's not a problem anymore you're like Yeah, but there's like... But you could be the one that you figure it out on. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, no, I was going to do, in Berlin,

there was a Radisson that had like the biggest freestanding fish tank in the world that was in their lobby. And it exploded. And it had like... Yeah, but the problem is like the investigation like wrapped and there was no... It was just, it was in Germany. So like there was no transparency in terms of what was going on. And yeah, I couldn't really dig up a lot of good facts about that.

It's called Aquadome. if anybody's curious, it's a radisson. And now it's a garden. Like now they kept the base of the... Because the elevator goes to the middle of it. So they kept the base of it, and they just turn into a garden. I'm looking at the pictures of it after exploited.

Yeah, I saw something online that was like an underwater hotel, and I was like, absolutely not. Yeah, we're good. I don't want to be in the reverse fish tank. no yeah it's called a human tank at that point Taylor no I get it you're right yeah so if I can if I can dig up more info if anybody knows where I can dig up more info about that I'll do that one but I sort of researching it was like this is like it'd be like

a 10 minute episode I can't do that so anyhow um hope you all enjoyed it if you're getting over the air disaster ones let me know although there's like so many crazy ones that are worth talking about that like i don't know it it's fascinating to me so if you all find a fasting let let me know otherwise i can pivot to things that are a little bit different mix up a little bit yeah cool that's exciting and our email again duneffelpon at gm.com find us on the socials dune phelpont taylor did we have any mail um yes sort of nadie nadean and i were chatting post hands across america again and i think we talked of this before. I think maybe when, just like so many times we've talked about how the infrastructure

and like the money that you spend to keep a nonprofit open, sometimes you just like can't actually do good and how frustrating that is. So we're just like chatting about that because it's like one of those things we're like, yeah, we'll raise some money, but we spent so much money to do this thing or, you know, this person has paid this much, but also people need to live. And like, what is, it's a hard, it's a hard thing to figure out how to help everybody. not to shout out Ezra Klein yet again it there's parallels here

which is if you try to do everything and be everything to everyone then you're nothing to everyone like I mean yeah I don't know so yeah yeah good call out but it's just it's frustrating when you're like

oh I want to give my money to something and like what's it going to do oh but also speaking of charities I did my kids spent $20 to dunk being a dunk tank on Saturday. It was very fun. What was the charity? Our little league. So they're just like raising my age like they have to like maintain the field and such. So they each got for $10 each they got five balls. They didn't do it. But the guy let them push the button together. And I got dunked and it was actually very nice because it was like

it's getting really hot. And it's part of the reason why I'm so grumpy is that it's getting really hot. And I know it's going to. It happens every year, but I'm still grumpy about it. That is a good dunk man operator because. Yeah. You got to get ducked. You got to. So that was fun. Sweet. Cool.

Anything else to share? Nope. I'm going to drink the rest of this wine and try to stop being grumpy. Do your best. We'll go ahead and cut things off with that. Thank you all. Thank you, Taylor.