Doomed to Fail - Ep 21 - Part 2: The Least Great Showman - Grady Stiles

Episode Date: May 3, 2024

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Hi, friends, Taylor from Doom to Fail. We are the podcast that tells you history's most disastrous and calamitous failures that we can find. But if you find others, please let us know. Send us an email DoomtofellPod at gmail.com. Today we are revisiting episode 21, part two on Grady Stiles. So Farris tells us this one. This is about a man named Grady Stiles who was in a circus side show his whole life because of a deformity with his hand. So he was dubbed the lobster boy, which is a terrible way to grow up. I'm certain you don't want to grow up in a side show.

I don't think that we have those anymore for the best. But Grady ended up murdering and being murdered. So listen to that story here with us right now. And let us know if you have any questions or any suggestions. Thanks for listening. In a matter of the people of the state of California versus Lawrence James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.

So I will transition us to the true crime side or story. And knowing you, Taylor, you're going to know what I'm talking about here. The drink that I referenced earlier, Sambuca poured into a pint glass with Guinness poured after it, so that the San Bucca floats, that is referred to as a freak show. Freak Show. Yeah, I don't know why. I couldn't understand why the name, why that was the name that they gave to it, but that's what it's technically called. So that's what we're going to be discussing. It's a real drink and a freak show was a real thing of the past that is a critical part and a critical component what we're going to be discussing. So I personally don't love the term freak show because what we basically did as a society

back in the day when these things were prominent was we just took people who were different from us and labeled them as freaks and then charged two bits of gander to stare at them at a human zoo. It doesn't seem very nice. It's not very nice. That's good good conclusion. Yeah. Yeah. And I found the earliest first of a freak show it was in the 1600s and that's where the concept of a freak show started because back then the king of england somehow similar across these twins in genoa italy who were conjoined twins so one of them was an i hate even to use the word normal but you know what i mean like a regular dude and then he had a conjoint twin that was like

basically just like a head and part of his shoulder that was coming out of his chest it was called the normal one quote unquote normal one was called Lazarus the other one was called John and the brother I don't know why that's funny I just had to laugh about that I know I know I know I know but I kind of love this story okay and I'll explain so John was the parasitic brother so it really wasn't even like a fully functional human being it was like it was just like grunt and that was basically all I could really do and like maybe blink its eyes every now and then it is just like dangled off of Lazarus for the most part

Apparently at one point, this is the part that's amazing about the story, Lazarus was actually sentenced to death because he killed someone. And he got off, this argument actually worked. He got off by saying, if you kill me, then you kill my parasitic brother, and he didn't do anything. Oh my god. Wait, can you talk? Wait, no. He could talk. Just like, granted.

Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, you know, kudos to this guy Lazarus for making lemonade out of lemons. But like, that was a pretty good argument to make. So more power to them. Most of what freak shows consisted of was just people showing, you know, the disabilities that they have and sometimes people would do other stuff too. For example, there'd be people who were ambiguously race and they would call them some

unknown, unknown subspecies of humans or if there was somebody who was heavily tattooed or heavily pierced, they'd also get a spot on the freak show. But occasionally, you'd have people with legitimate talent, so you'd have people who would eat flames or swallow swords the guy would do like nails in his nose and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. And then you obviously have the folks that have congenital defects. Like they're they have deformities that are not what people are used to seeing and they also would join freak shows, which is a shitty thing to do to people. Sometimes it's okay. I'm actually going to say when I actually thought it was a good thing, but for the most part,

kind of like not a great thing to do to somebody i was i wrote here that it's actually kind of funny how some of this stuff still persists this day so for example there's a chain of grocery stores in texas and it might be elsewhere i haven't seen it anywhere else in california they're known as randalls but in texas they're known as tom thumb have you heard of them before okay it's probably a texas thing they're named after a guy who is named general tom thumb who stopped growing at six months old so in total he was two feet tall and weighed 15 pounds and like not even joking i am one block in one i'm in my parents house right now for listeners i'm one block from one tom thumb and then another block for another one behind me so like this

thing is like a very pervasive name that caught on all because of this one guy general tom thumb another and that was a pt barnum act another famous act was one that involved the guy named Joseph Merrick. Do you remember that name? No. So you might remember his alternate name, which was the mean name that I don't love for him, which was the elephant man. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Wait, I'm sorry. I had to go back because that's not the first time to me, you use the word, the name Tom Thumb.

That is, I mean, well, Tom Thumb is a character from English folklore. No way. Tom Thumb said, it said, I'm reading Wikipedia. Tom Thumb may have been a real person born in 1590. I was thinking that it was Hans Christian Anderson, but that's Thumbelina. But like Tom Thumb is, yeah, it's definitely from further back than that. It's like, but I think it's, it makes sense that it's been a name for a ridiculous small person. No, no, you, you know what?

I might have besmirched Tom Thumb because I just assumed there was named after him because I didn't know there was any other Tom Thumbum that ever existed. Yeah, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a Thumblin kind of character, I think. Okay. Everybody just discount everything I said there, but trust everything that I say going forward, okay? Perfect. Perfect.

Okay, Joseph Merrick. So he was known as the colloquial name form was the elephant man. He suffered from a disease called Proteus Syndrome, which results in basically just overgrowth of tissue that would lead to just traumatic disfigurement. Like his skeleton is on display in some museum in the UK. And you can tell this guy had it really, really rough.

like it's just overgrowth of tissue everywhere that it shouldn't be and as a result he was obviously heavily heavily disfigured he was displayed in london when it was yeah he was basically displayed in in london for a period of time this is the part where i think that general tom thumb and jose of mary kind of break the mold of like how i think it's mean to do this to people the reason was that these guys had no options right so by all accounts Tom thumb was being paid $150 a week by P.T. Barnum, and he at that time, he basically retired young and super, super rich. Joseph, on the other hand, he was treated like a complete leper in society, and he had zero income or healthcare opportunities. So this guy who ran this freak show, like, I know that it's not a good thing to do to someone, but like, what else was he going to do?

Like, this was his only way to support himself. And on top of that, because... Wait a minute. What? I have so many. I'm so sorry. I have to interrupt you right now. There was a 1980 movie called The Elephant Man directed by David Lynch, starring Anthony Hopkins.

Oh, yeah, yeah. And in fact, like, there was, so I think it was Bradley Cooper. Key fact-shock me. I think it was Bradley Cooper played Joseph Merrick on Broadway, actually. Like fairly recently, in the past like five to seven years, I want to say. No way. Huh. And they didn't do anything to his buddy. He just made a weird face.

Yeah. Well, it was Bradley Cooper, right? That's weird. Yeah. He's just like moving his face to the side. Like, and did you watch The Witcher? Oh, yeah, yeah. In The Witcher, how she like has that hump for the first half of it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Also, anybody who likes The Witcher show, you've got to get Witcher 3 on PlayStation or Xbox. It's incredible. It's so good. I mean, I don't know about PlayStation, but the Witcher show is great.

But, well, so my other point was that because Joseph was, or Alf Bant Joseph, whatever you want to call, because he was such a popular act, a lot of doctors would come and see him. And they were, like, trying to figure out what's going on with this guy. It was, I didn't read this down, but I think it was in 1996 when they finally discovered that he had this illness. And that's what it actually was. So, like, there was no help from him. essentially but yeah it is what it is like in the grand scheme of things it was probably better that he was in this situation than just like homeless in the UK right like murdered as a baby yeah yeah precisely so we start at this point getting into the early night early 1900s and medical science start becoming a thing and the world starts falling out of love with freak shows it started being viewed as basically distasteful thank thank god laws actually started being passed and when places saying that you can't exhibit someone in charge money to view them because of physical

deformity disease or general mutation what that also meant is in the latter 1900s freak shows weren't really a lucrative endeavor before if you had a genetic mutation or disease you could live a reasonably comfortable life despite it you know you felt like shit because people are gawking at you but it's better than not having that not having any source of income at all like i mentioned with elephant man so it was during this time period of the transition from features being like a good thing. You know, I get it. Yeah.

Yeah. But basically, our main character in the story rose to prominence. And his name is Grady Stiles, which I'm sure you know. I don't know yet. That was a really long introduction. And I'm really excited. And also, I just cannot wait to share with people these pictures of Bradley Cooper. Just making a face.

You know what? I saw him do it, like do his transformation into the yellow man and i thought that was pretty good he like you watch clips of him doing it on like talk shows and stuff and i was like okay like you know maybe it's better but he like he's like holding one shoulder up higher and making like a kissy face like he's that there's like no attempts to make him look like anything else they just like Bradley cooper you can't put him in disguise it was the entire point it looks so ridiculous like i can't i can't even so i want to stop looking at it because it's too much.

Fair enough. So Grady's alternate name is the lobster boy. So the reason I bring this up and the reason I gave that long intro is because I think that that plays a part of what's going to end up happening here. Because you have a guy in Grady Stiles who is raised when being a freak is a good thing or like a lucrative thing to do.

And he catches the tail end of that. And there's a steep decline in that. So back then, well, you know what, I'm digressing. I'll tell you the justification here in a moment. Again, starting off, right off the bad, I'm going to say, I don't love making fun of people with, like, situations like this guy has. But I will say in this case, not because Grady had a disability, but because he's a total rampaging, violent, drunk piece of shit. He got exactly what was coming to him. disability had nothing to do with that. So I'm just going to preface all this. Grady was born

with a condition known as actrodectally, which is a genetic condition where the central digits of the hand and or the feet are missing. So basically you end up in large part with some amalgamation of like a pinky and like a thumb or a big toe and a pinky toe. Essentially that. It gives the appearance of a claw basically. Like you only have these digits. And a lot of times they're they have other issues where like those digits are longer than they should be anyways so it looks even more off essentially Grady's case was particularly bad because he actually had it in both his hands and his feet so he only had claws like four digits four clause on his appendages. The condition was actually pretty well documented in Grady's family history so Grady's

family had this condition for generations including Grady's dad, Brady Senior. senior came up in the freak show freak show circuit back when this wasn't a disreputable thing to be a part of and he leveraged his deformity to make a good living for the family so by all accounts he made like $70,000 to $80,000 a year doing this which like that's really really good money in a situation like this like because you think of like somebody working in a freak show you assume they live in like a tent right I mean this is like he was able to actually support a family off the back of his disability, Grady's not going to be in that exact same position.

But, like, that's what he was accustomed to, right? Eventually, you know, Grady's born, and then he goes on the road with Senior, and they perform together. Again, it's worth noting that despite everything I'm about to say about the kind of person that Grady grew up to be, this had to be shitty. But, like, I think I like how most kids, they want to fit in with other kids. And if you're someone that is born like this, you're not just like called a freak, but then your dad monetizes your condition.

And that can't be a good feeling. And so I'm making a lot of excuses for this guy. His economic situation, the fact that he probably felt shitty about him, like, I do think all of that plays a factor in what ends up happening or who he ends up becoming. That's all I'm saying. Mm-hmm. Totally. Yeah.

Because Rady had actridectally in his legs or his feet as well, he really only had two options for mobility. One was a wheelchair, but the most common way he would move around is you just use his upper body to just shuffle his legs forward and move that way as a result of that he became incredibly strong in his upper body like abnormally strong multiple reports would indicate how freakishly strong in this guy ended up becoming he's just doing a gymnast routine for 24 hours a day all day long for his entire life so that that helps yeah oh my god totally as grady grew up he he got married he had three kids he with a woman named uh mary who worked the freak show too she had no conditions. Like she was like just a staffer at the freak show that Grady was at.

They fell in love. They ended up having kids. Only one of the kids ended up being born without actoredeckfully, a girl named Kathy. The other ones basically did what Grady's dad did to him. They joined Grady on the freak show at the freak show. It's so weird saying that word. It's just like it feels so gross. Is there another word for it? No, that's what it was. Is there anything else that it does? I guess you could call it a side show. I guess you call it a side show.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm not in the popular culture of it where, like, I mean, there was an American horse right called Freak. Wait, was it called Freak Show? It was, yeah. There is a lobster boy in it. Yeah.

It definitely gets better at the first. It's one of the iffy ones. But no, what was I going to say? So there's nothing else besides the finger thing. It doesn't like affect anything else. It doesn't like affect anything else. It's just that. Just that.

Yeah, psychologically, magically, he was all sound, well, absence, everything else. Yeah. So it's also worth noting here in addition to everything else is going on. Brady was also like a drunk, but like not in like a fun, good time kind of a way. His wife would later claim after the events we're going to discuss here that the only times that he wasn't drinking when he was awake was between 8 and 10 a.m. So he was like constantly drinking essentially. he was aggressive drinking water during that time yeah who knows i mean if you look at pictures of him he looks like a picture of a guy who's been drinking nonstop like he looks rough he looks

like he's on a rough time but he also paired that with a three-pack-a-day cigarette habit which also doesn't help oh god no that's terrible he probably smelled terrible you probably smelled horrible and neighbors in their small small florida town they lived in would regularly hear just belligerent screaming from their house is great he would regularly get drunk and berate abuse his family he would physically beat these shit out of his wife and his kids with his hands and like you well he his hands were like basically pinchers he would like grab them and choke them and he was strong as shit like you would be able to throw them around like crazy there's one story where that daughter i mentioned earlier kathy uh she was

frightened and she tried to stop grady from beating her mom like got in the middle of it and grady ended up beating kathy so bad that she ended up going into early labor like that moment he was he was a jerk he was a really really again i kind of understand part of it given his background all that but like still he's a terrible person yeah no excuse to like beat the shut out of your family right right exactly so eventually mary grew tired of this treatment and she leaves grady she ends up marrying a new guy and she left the kids with him so like not a good woman either basically the the eldest daughter she was named Donna and Donna wanted to basically extract herself from this living arrangement so she agreed to marry this poor poor bastard in jack lane Grady as with most

abusers could feel the controlling grip he had on his family slipping away first his wife leaves him marries another man then the daughter wants to leave him as well so he he's he's lit he's he's completely pissed this point and the day before the wedding grady asked jack over to discuss something like the marriage i don't know the details are hazy again on this stuff and it was during this meeting that grady ends up shooting jack in the back and killing him oh my god yeah that's his daughter's fiance yeah this is literally the night before the marriage the wedding he does this Grady would obviously, yeah, he would obviously get arrested and he got, he got, um,

he put on a self-defense claim is like, because if he'll believe that, because like, you look at this guy and like, dude, he's basically just like an upper torso and like, he just put on an act of like, dude, I'm disabled. Like, I can't do this stuff. Like this guy was going to kill me. Like, he made that whole argument. He had been found guilty on third degree murder charges, which like is better than first and second degree, but still pretty bad.

But because of his condition, they're like, what do we do with this guy? You can't put in a normal cell. Like, people will just throw him around like a volleyball. Like, and so they decided that we'll just release him on probation. When you give him 15 years probation and we're going to release him. That was what the court decided to do for killing a guy, like a kid basically. Like absolutely. This is so Florida.

This is most Florida story I've ever heard. I mean, there's a lot of florist stories. pretty good yeah yeah apparently for a brief period of time after all this happened grady goes on the straight and arrow he quits drinking and just like tries to be a more sensible reasonable human being during this time mary decides to leave her husband and not only gets back with grady they remarry it's crazy we're like you should never do that you should never this like calling it's like drunk calling or texting your ex like just don't do it definitely don't remarry them yeah not a good move so obviously the whole not drinking thing doesn't

last very long and he starts beating the shut of her again because of course he does like you're not going to change this guy by this point marion apparently had enough and decided to do something about brady mary had a son with the guy she left brady for originally the son's name is Henry Glenn Newman and oh I wrote it here I forgot so she she married Mary loved Carney guys so the guy she left Grady for was called the midget man so he was a little person and yeah and they ended up having a child together and that was that child was named Harry Glenn Newman Jr. Mary ends up asking Harry Jr. to take care of Brady after sustaining tremendous abuse and Harry did so by offering $1,500 to another free

show worker named Chris Wyant to kill Grady. And Chris, no qualms. Again, this goes back to my story, where I'm like, how do these people just find each other? Like, it's just like, they're like Magnus. They come together so wild to me. You just asked the first guy he meets and he's like, yeah, I'll do it for $1,500.

Mine always was laughing. When you were talking about the people in Florida, you're like, this guy's just tripping over scumbags. That's true. It's so true. I don't get how they come together. It's just like they're, yeah, I mean, good for them. They have a network, you know?

They have more of a network for that than I do. So kudos. Yeah. I mean, I'm glad you. Good for you. Yes, of course, of course. Chris obviously agrees to this and immediately just goes over to the trailer that Grady's in. He looks in the windows.

He's just like, shithouse drunk, watching television. He opens the door, goes inside, point blank, shoots him in the head and kills him. So this is the son of Grady's wife that she's she had during the time that she was married to someone else? Yes. Okay. Yes. Easy.

So Chris is the friend of that. Oh, it's not even the son. It's the front of the son. Exactly. So Chris is just like looking to kill someone. Just somebody just ask me. Somebody just ask me. Anybody who wants me to do it?

They're all living in like a commune. These are all freak show. Staffers and actors and whatever. whatever like they're all like together and so i don't know i guess easy easy going over there but there's like do you watch bones no probably that there's just like so whatever they're like investigating things and like the whole thing is like the woman bones is really smart and then like the man is david borealis or whatever from buffy yeah angel he's like yeah yeah exactly he's like the cop and she's like a really different scientist but for some reason that makes

absolutely no sense it's to solve a case at the circus so they become circus performers to go solve the case and you're like why would anyone ever ask you to do that it's just really funny and they like but they like listen to their little trailer and like learn how to like juggle or it's it's really stupid but funny but yes but i know but i can picture like a circus traveling circus that right now i know everyone know what means you know it's funny is this entire time while i was researching this i was only thinking about um the american american war story season which like i couldn't get through because i actually didn't think it was that good at all i think it's better

later. It gets better. Okay. Yeah. Yes. It's not my favorite, but I think the ending is pretty good. That was one of the only ones I could think of American War stories. I quit halfway through.

But I mean, yeah. Do you ever watch Freaks from like the 20s or whatever? No. No. And you know what's funny is I, oh, of course it wouldn't be. Yeah. Because I kept trying to, as I was researching the whole freak show thing, I was like, what was that movie where they go one of us? One of us.

That's it. Yeah. It's from 1330. of 1932 yeah yeah that that would not have helped the situation of these shows and these performers i don't think but go back to the story so obviously we're not dealing with like the swanest people in the world here chris harry junior and mary were basically immediately suspected of the murder and caught for it harry initially was being questioned by police on this murder he volunteered a polygraph which he obviously failed and then broke down crying and told the police

everything in that you know including his mother including his friend chris all that like he just brought everybody into the situation with him chris was yeah chris the guy the actual gunman himself he was charged with second-degree murder and he got 27 years in prison amazingly chrisons was released in 2009 so those guys out in about walking around right now that's so crazy the story starts in like a time that feels completely different dude that's nuts doesn't it like you're like a trailer in the bogs in everglades of florida where they're constructing tents to display humans with congenital defects right in this you know he this guy would still be actually he was born in 37 would he still be

alive maybe he could be so alive right he could definitely be alive yeah yeah it's nuts i mean the kids are definitely so around i mean i saw a picture of his kids like they're still around their ticket and doing their own thing same with mary actually so mary was found guilty of conspiracy to commit first remurder and she only got 12 years absolutely for killing somebody i mean granted she played up the fed there was a lot of domestic violence and abuse which i guess worked for grady when he went to court and was like i'm i have this issue you should go light on me i mean i don't know i guess i guess that's an argument to be made but she only ended up serving seven years for this she got on in 2000 so and she also moved right back to the city

where her and gritty used to live and nobody seems to care i'll discuss that here in a moment too the guy who got to the worst is actually her son harry junior so he got charged to the first degree murder and he got sentenced to life and he did it because he died in prison in 2014 so wow yeah yeah it's um i pointed out this fact that like nobody went to Grady's funeral they said it was like maybe 10 people that showed up there was something that like they kept trying to figure out like who could actually be the pallbearer to carry his casket and nobody would volunteer to do it because everybody hated this guy so we always talk about like don't kill your family in your yeah it's come up before in your

yeah it's come up before i just feel like we should not have pallbearers we should move past that as a society i mean what's what's what's the well yeah i guess yeah just what would you do I just don't feel like you should do that. I think it's a lot of responsibility. And no. Yeah. I've been a pallbearer before. It's not fun.

It's not a good experience. Oh, no. I'm sorry. That sounds terrible. Yeah, it feels weird. It feels really weird. There's like corpse on my shoulder. It's like, ugh, I don't know.

Yeah. No, I'm going to vote no on Paul bears. Yeah. Yeah. Don't volunteer. Especially if you hate the guy, which, like, in this case, like, everybody did. I was going to say, like, we always talk about, like, don't kill your family. but it seems like

this guy really had it coming. Like it feels like this was the one. But like at least like get away with it. Like don't do it in a way that your son goes to jump the rest of his life and dies there. Like there's a better way to do this, I think. Yeah. But yeah, that's his story.

And like, you know, I made some excuses to the top of like, look, the economic decline, the fact that you're treated the way you're treated in society by your own family, by your peers. Like, you've got to, I don't know. Maybe it would do that. Maybe this is who you turn into. to under any circumstance.

I don't know, but it's not a good way to live. I wouldn't love that for anybody I know. So yeah, yeah, especially that being up transition time where you're like, this could have been a job. And then like, it's not anymore, which is the correct answer. But also like, don't, but then people are people supposed to do? How much is, I'm doing the math right now in the 1930s? Okay, so his dad made about $70,000.

oh no you know what that was that was already transferred no mind that's it so it would have been 70-80 thousand dollars in today's money is what it would have come out to that sounds great yeah like you're living in like the everglacks like yeah you're like the richest guy within like 70 counties of you so yeah and yeah it's got to suck to not have that anymore not have that opportunity like that's why with the jose american thing i was like well is it a bad thing that we did this to him like you know i don't know and like p t barnum obviously like is bad in retrospect i don't know he made he made tom thumb super rich like he gave him like a super like right but he also like tons of like super racist and like weird things also that i don't know the details of

but i know that he's like not as exciting as hugh jackman but but yeah also like you know tomtham got a job yeah yeah like okay so p t barnum i think was the guy who would put people of different races up and call them a new species of human. I think that was the guy that did that. And there's another thing I didn't write down here which she did, which was like also kind of fucked up. So he found this 80 year old blind woman who was a former slave and put her in a freak show, his show, saying that she was the oldest one on earth at 160 years old. she had other issues too i forgot what it was like she was missing like a leg and she was a blind or like

something there was something she was obviously in very in a very bad way and he capitalized on it which again like isn't nice but like i don't know maybe that was a way for her to make a living i don't i mean it's i'm so conflict yeah yeah i mean like we don't we're not going to do it anymore no we should not do it anymore you know but um i mean i'm sure if places in the world would they do that still yeah yeah yeah there's there's got i mean yeah there's definitely parts of the world that do stuff like this still to this day like i mean think of how some of these countries treat people who are like just gay like yes no totally yeah imagine yeah yeah precisely precisely so uh yeah this was this taylor this was the story that i was that i was referencing when i was

researching that guy ken rex whatever that guy was who got killed in Skidmore, Missouri. And I was like, and I asked Chad GBT, B.T, when is it okay to kill somebody? Oh, right, right. So, so chat DBT obviously didn't reply to me. But doing research, I was like, I was like, justifiably, the universe seems aligned on two murders. And it's that guy, the Ken guy, and then this guy, which is like, all across the board, he was like, these were the two people that had it coming the most.

So, yeah, that's the story. Thank you. That's interesting. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Going a little further back in time than usual, I guess. I mean, this guy was one of the 19-30s, but I kind of like that.

I'm going to go further back next week. Even farther, further, further, further, further. I got to get back of the ancient times-ish, you know. You, your story, I literally, while you were talking, I typed out what my next story is going to be because you gave me the best reminder of one of the freakiest things I've ever read about. it's not the cabin thing that we discussed earlier it's another one that happened like very recently like in the early

2000 I would say I remember exactly but it was I remember reading about this was like oh my God I can't leave I forgot about this this case and yeah that's gonna be next week oh my I can't wait sweet well that is our tales anything Taylor you want to

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