Doomed to Fail - Ep 215: Nowhere to Echo - Whale Entrapment

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

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It's a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Hello, Taylor. How are you? Good. How are you? I'm good. I went and saw weapons this weekend. I just had to tell you. I have not seen anything except the poster where it said the kids disappear at 2 in the morning, but it's like definitely not dark out when they disappear and that was my only note. And then Florence said that she saw a trailer for it,

which makes no sense that a child would see a trailer for that and that it looks scary. It is a, that is bad, um, algorithm activity for them to serve that to her. But I did see naked gun and it was so fucking funny. I can't even. It was like so good to laugh like that. I haven't laughed like that in a movie in a very long time. I've heard that. I've heard that from other people.

And also I don't feel like that's, I don't even feel like that's, I don't even feel like that's building it up for you, I feel like you're still going to laugh, you know? Yeah, yeah, no, totally. I actually also am thrilled with this revival, Pamela Anderson that we're experiencing. I'm obsessed. Like, like every woman in America, I'm obsessed. Why? They just cannot be happy. Because it's just like so lovely. She just like, she looks awesome. She doesn't look fake weird. She doesn't trying to not be, you know, a woman who is in her 50s. You know, she just looks beautiful and she looks happy and she married so many fucking assholes. You know, she married Kid Rock for a month.

I didn't know that So I feel like she just deserves a good man Yeah yeah and for Liam Neeson too Because I didn't know this but when his wife died He basically just didn't see a date anyone for like 16 years And I think Pamela Anderson's like one of the first And he's like yeah and it was like terrible because his wife fell and had her head Yeah it was like a ski accident right

Yeah she wasn't even skiing she was just standing in her skis and she fell Ugh Ugh Well good for them it's a good movie summer i will say that it is it is i'll be honest okay like don't nobody shoot me or write in but like i didn't think weapons was that good well i just don't know anything about it so let's talk about it later okay all right okay watch a trailer and then if you want to know if you watch trailer decide whether you're gonna see it or not you're not gonna see them we can talk

about it okay i'm probably gonna see it but probably like in a stolen way great let's record as well um but we in jail um wait let me oh yeah you guys noticed us i forgot hello welcome to doomed to fail we bring you history's most notorious disasters and epic failures and today it's far as this turn and i'm taylor i'm just here for the banter yeah it's obviously here for the banter um i will say um again we got a lot of nice comments about my morgan's wonderland episode and also it was one of like the lowest performing episodes we ever pushed out which was amazing which one was is it really so funny i mean it didn't do terribly but it was it was like we were on this like uptick of every episode it got like a little bit more and more and that's the first one like

just goes the other direction dude so you guys want bad things clearly i will say somebody from morgan's wonderland did right to me because it wasn't podcast related but i put let them know we did an episode about them they're really thankful they wrote back it was like a God, this is incredible. So those are nice. That's so nice. Good for you. So I'm going to cover something that's like sort of heartwarming and sort of not, I don't know.

I'm trying to find my way back to being gory. I'm ready. I haven't eaten today. I've had two ice coffees and I've drinking glass of wine. That's my need it. Hey, it is a Sunday. That's what we do. Tomorrow's back to school.

So summer's over. This is it. They went back. Our last, tomorrow is the first day of school. so this is it we did it we had a great summer you finally relax I had such a relaxing last two weeks when the kids weren't home it was insane the house was so clean we went to every restaurant in town went to the movies like it's wonderful speaking of which they came back and it's like a tornado is in this house

speaking of kids I got to hang out with our friends beth and jay twice this week once last night once on Wednesday and it was really fun do pictures I do I'll send you a picture I did not take a picture of the baby but that's okay it's okay yeah I care I care about the grown-ups look like, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's important. Yeah, I like them. Okay, so we are going to discuss one of humanity's favorite animals and one of the most perilous situations that they find themselves in and what we've done to help them.

Give me a hint. Panda. That is a pretty loved animal. Don't you just guess animals that people like? But I feel like animals, I feel like pandas don't put themselves in, actually, I guess everything they do is kind of perilous. They keep falling backwards. Yeah.

And they just, like, aren't trying to have more babies. Yeah. Try harder, you guys. Yeah, I'm kidding. No, it's not pandas. I'm going to be discussing whale entrapment. I have a really good joke because I wrote down here that despite what you think, whale entrapment is not when the government influences a whale to do something illegal that it wouldn't have done otherwise.

That's my bet. I like it. That was very funny. Do you have any idea what it is? Trapping whales. Do you get them unsafe? To get them unsafe? Not quite.

To trick them when you're doing something illegal. It's trapped whales, but nobody's doing it to them. Interesting. So. Is it the pandas? Huh? Yeah, it's pandas that round whales up. Okay, go ahead.

So I'm saying whales, but I'm actually referring to like cetaceans, which is like the broader term for whales, dolphins, all that kind of stuff. I'm sure you're funny with that. So whales are. are obviously mammals, which means they breed air. And entrapment is when they become trapped in otherwise passful waters due to rapid ice expansion. And it's inspired a lot of human activity and even inspired a movie with John Krasinski and Drew Barrymore. I remember that movie. Do you remember what it's called?

Entrapment, the whales, saga. It's all like black and white and has like, weird neon green colors and that might have made it better i don't think it was very good but continue it probably wasn't so um let's first start with how they get trapped so the one we're going to cover quite a bit later on the heartwarming slash quarry side of things is the version of entrapment that people are probably most with which is the type called ice entrapment and this is when the whale or whale pod enter an open water area but while they're there a sudden freeze hits or dramatic change of winds cause ice to compact together or it can happen because the thing called a

poly Polly Polly-Nias closes and that's basically just like an empty space in the middle of like an ice shelf like ice is frozen over and there's like an empty space and that's a Pollyneas. Why is it empty? So a variety of reasons. So it could be because the current underneath the water is moving rapidly cool warm water up in the water column, or it can have to do with something else we discussed, which are catabolic winds, which are rapid gravity descending winds, which can freeze up ice right up until it hits like a ledge where the polyanus is, and then it won't freeze beyond

that. Got it. I mean, sort of kidding you. I mean, I'm not going to write a paper about it, but I got it. For the most part. So those can be lifelines. an entrapped whale to breathe like that would be the only place within miles for it to come out and actually breach and breathe i thought i have another stupid question please but i haven't even had

asked me yet this is my first stupid question of the day i didn't realize that the mammals have to breathe air i thought it was of the head hair and birthed live babies but is that not true how long have you believed that for probably up until this moment the years yes so yes how long do you believe So, yes, mammals have to breathe there. Okay, thank you. Wills are not fish. Just fucking, Chris. I'm just asking the important questions

so other people don't have to ask them. Thank you. Yes, yes. You are the voice of the audience, Taylor. Yes. I'm sure. You know what? I bet a lot of people out there were like one or the same thing.

I bet, too. Yeah. Yeah. And you. So a second form of detrapment is when they, enter fjords, estuaries, or rivers with no easy or obvious way out. That can happen because they are sick, disoriented. Maybe they're following a prey somewhere.

Apparently, their echolocation. Okay, let me stop. Do you know what echolocation is? Yes. Okay. Sorry, can I explain it? Explain it. So, it is when you, as a bat or a whale, put out a noise, and the way the noise

bounces back, tells you what is in front of you. Yeah, that's basically, yeah. Did you ever see finding Dory? Yeah, of course. Remember when the girl whale is like, ooh, ooh, or like, whatever, the whale, like, he can't do it. Or like, one of the bills can't do it. He tries to do it. He's always like, ooh, he's like, can't get it right.

Well, Dory also did that in finding Nemo. Did she? Ooh, ooh, oh, cute. She goes, I can speak well, and she starts to make of the sounds. So apparently, echolocation is not useful in tight compact areas. a fjord or river because the acoustic bounce back just historians the whale they might also

enter these areas because like manmade issues might arise like ship sonar can disorient them because it works the same way it bounces sound off and then the ship collects the data on the way back how is their eyesight is it poor I don't know I would assume it's pretty

I mean what's the point of eyesight if you're like in the deep ocean what do you need it for I don't know to see other whales you can't see anything to read books to read books yeah on your kind of lit up you know it's like a little bit lit up because the candle lights up in the dark if i find if i go to the next um little market thing and there's a bookmark of a whale reading i'm gonna get it for you thank you thank you thank you i am using the bookmark that you got me thank you

i appreciate it um so in any of these situations like a fjord estuary or river the whale is basically like stuck. It doesn't know how to get back out into open water or in the case of ice entrapment it physically can't get to open water even if a new how to. The species of cetaceans that get ice entrapped the most often are going to be belugas, norwals and bowhead whales. The record time they can any of them can keep their breath like maximum levels they can maintain their breath but it varies among species a little bit but between 18 to 25 minutes. Oh wow. That's how long at all. I thought so too. I thought you were going to be like hours, right? It's hours. I thought, but that, like, I felt, I thought that they would be more than that.

You know, it's funny is, remember when you did your bird, your pigeon episode? And it was how do they navigate and sleep? Like, do birds sleep as well? It was a question. And it was like they have this like hemisphere in their brain where half their brain turns off and sleeps. And the other half stays on and maintains navigation and fight these guys do the same thing the half their brain goes to sleep and then the other half just like is awake and knows like now i got a breach and breathe wow yeah right because they have to sleep right that's interesting okay continue the thing i asked myself was why don't they just take like a super deep breath and then swim under the ice that's what my logic was and there's several reasons for it first off like they don't know

where open water is right the ice above them creates the same issues i described earlier with echo location it just bounces and gets refracted without providing any clear info on what direction to go the ice can be continuous for miles so even if they guess right on which direction to go they might not make it on the breath hold on the other side right and here's another fun fact i didn't know whales know they have to breathe air i never thought about that but wills actually know they have to breathe there. So here's the thing. So they're worried. Yeah, exactly. Like, they're weird, like, hey, there's a chance I might not make it before I have to do this thing I have to do to stay alive. I was going to say, I wonder what they're talking about. Yeah. So,

I mean, I should have known this. I don't know. Maybe you didn't know this either. Now that I know what you know and don't know. So in humans, we breathe involuntarily. Right. Did you know that? well yes because if you've ever heard that thing where you think about it and then you're like oh my god what if i stopped thinking about i'm gonna forget how to breathe and then in five minutes you already forgotten and you just breathe yeah well i thought about if you think about it i thought on the context of like man if i was drowning like i would i would just like hold my breath like there's no chance i just wouldn't i want and you can't like your muscles your lungs won't let you like you you have to do it um in our case is involuntary but in the case of whales they have to think

think about it like they can't just involuntarily do it because if they did they're underwater the whole time they just drown so you know they have to breathe it's crazy i never thought about that right because they have to do like an action doesn't just happen right so uh basically like yeah what was crazy about it was like they're assessing the access to open air before deciding to leave to pursue open water to get air which is right kind of normal I didn't think they would be that smart, but it makes sense. They are pretty smart. An example of these situations happened in 2013 in Hudson Bay near Quebec

when 20 beluga whales gathered around two small breathing holes amid 60 continuous miles of frozen ice. Wow. And the pot wasn't discovered until after like after 19 of the 20 had been like basically just hunted and killed off by polar bears because like they were all around this little hole like they knew they need to be around the hole and the polar bear was like oh I just like pick them out was like crazy like how strong is a polar bear just take up a whale and rip it out of the water polar bears are so scary I feel like I can't believe they're real they're literally like a bonoble snowman like a huge invisible monster that will kill you and we turn them into like these playful

things that we put into like snow globes and like bought that I bought coax from like oh my god my dad used to work at the zoo in Chicago and they had these like polar bear ornaments that were like fuzzy. And one lady asked if it was a real polar bear fur. My dad was like, yes, we hunted endangered fucking species and make Christmas hormones out of them and sell them for $12 at the zoo. They could have done it the way Jackass used to do, where

like their friends would be asleep and they'd walk over and just shave the hair off their heads. Yes. Oh, yes. But what a job that would be. What do you do? I shave polar bears. It's like, who are replacing? Do you know what color polar bear fur is just before we're going to... It should be white. It's clear.

It's clear. I know that because I have children and that's like children fun fact that you learn it's clear and we just see it as white because of the snow around them because their skin is white yeah huh like if their skin was brown it would they would they would look brown but their skin is white

well that is a fun fact I never knew that well have a kid you learn a bunch of stuff all right we'll get working on that um so I couldn't find what happened at the last will so 19 of the 20 were killed off by polar bears I assume that because the hunters found the whale. They just like killed it and harvested it, but I don't know for sure. Maybe that or drowned and went to the bottom. Who knows? Typically, local tribes or communities who encounter

ice entrapped whales try to come to their rescue. And it happens like fairly frequently. I'll read off like a super bridge list of known entrapments because it happens all the freaking time apparently. Just give you a sense of how frequent it is. But people try to use chainsaws to expand the breathing hole or provide fresh fish to the whales to kind of reduce their stress levels sometimes it works most of the time it doesn't in 1984 a chuck chee hunter stumbled across a huge population of beluga whales clustered around a small area of open water amidst like a giant ice shelf i have no clue how they identified the number of individuals in this cluster but reports say there was 3,000 of them which feels like a lot of because they all look the same uh this

it's like one guy that keeps coming up he's like wearing a mustache I know sock and robots except oh man I can't remember whatever whackamola that's what I was going for so this was in Chukchi Peninsula which looks to be the eastern most

hip of Siberia and in that situation locals fed the trapped whales fish and tried cutting open the air holes to make it wide to help mitigate it from freezing back up nearly two months after they've been discovered a Soviet icebreaker called the Muskva

made its way there through the Bering Strait or the Bering Sea to break open the 12-foot-thick ice. That's how... Isn't that crazy? That's cool. Surrounding that breathing hole, the whales just would not leave the area even after they'd cleared the area of the floating ice

until the icebreaker started playing classical music over its loudspeakers, which is so cute. Wheels were so smart. Well, they were like, we get free food here. You have free food, yeah. and then yeah they played the music and then the whales followed the ship out to open water which was kind of cool that is lovely isn't it yes um you were gonna say something else i'd cut you off no no i can't remember where you continue so in a famous incident where it like worked kind of almost sort of there were three gray whales trapped under ice off the coast of barrow alaska in 1988 do you know do you remember what movie was it oh you said you said wait It's not the Drew Barmer one? Is that you're talking about?

No, I'm talking about another movie that was a base in Barrow. It sounds very familiar. What is it? 30 days of night. Oh, yes. I have some talking about questions about the movie we can talk about later. I didn't like it. I watched it again.

I don't understand where the vampires were dressed, the way they were dressed, and where did they go the rest of the time? And, like, I really don't believe the timeline. And Josh Hartnett was like, what? I mean, it's a fun movie, but I watched it again, like, maybe a year. go, and I was like, this is really stupid and sucks. They're like day seven. You're like, okay, well, day seven is rough, but like, you had 10 days of not rough stuff. You have vampires everywhere. I can't believe you guys survived this.

Yeah. We'll get into it. We'll get into it. That'll be our post, uh, show notes. I'd watch it again. The main vampire is a naked gun. The, uh, Houston guy. Continue. It's Angelica Houston's cousin. I like him. I don't know what any of these people are. Continue. Um, in, in, in this situation of Barra, Alaska, a local hunter discovered the whales and try to free them using his chains down to cut to the ice. Word spread throughout the community and eventually it became like international news. Like it was one of the biggest like it was a huge feel good story for people. The Soviet Union, the U.S. federal government really cared about the plight of these whales.

Eventually the U.S. sent a massive helicopter. It's called the Sikorsky Skycrane, which looks insane. It has like a no belly because it's like made for like lifting heavy things. And it did. In this case, it took up a five ton hammer and would drop it from the sky to try to try. and break the ice up, which didn't work. Was that crazy? Five-toned hammer being dropped from a helicopter and didn't break the ice.

I don't know. I kind of feel like living in Barrow, Alaska might be fun for like a year. I looked up the houses. I was shocked at how expensive they were. There was this one house. Okay, I'm looking at. You're thinking of the same thing. I like that.

I like that. Oh, yeah. Wow. This house is $7,000, $725,000. It's only a house for sale. And it looks kind of gross. That's a lot of money. Like, it's like L.A.

It's like a, It's a busted up house. The inside looks just ancient. Yeah, no, it's gross. Yeah, I don't get it. I don't get how that thing is worth. I assumed, you know, my thought was, I was like, oh, I can probably just move there and get a house like $50,000.

It could be like a fun little thing when the apocalypse hits. And I'm like, I'm going to go to my own. That's exactly what I was thinking. We're on the exact same page and this house is gross. 550 grand is insane for that thing. Why would you put three runners in your kitchen? The kitchen is so ugly. Okay.

I know. I know. The runners are wild. And the kitchen is very ugly. very dated. But then when I look at the porch, I'm like, this is exactly what I expected. Like, you want to have the porch out in the middle of the town and you know there's four people there and you're stuck there all winter. Like, that kind of sounds cozy and nice. It does sound cozy. There is another one that's listed there for like 175,000, which I didn't look at

that one, but I assume if that one is 750, that one must be an absolute dump. It is 1,000 square feet. It looks just like a barn on wheels. The pictures are blurry. It is a dump, yes. Wow. That's so interesting. Yeah, who would have thought Barrow? lessons were learned um anyways back to our whale story so interested in this now so sideways are there schools no yeah no there's a school there's a school and the school has a football team called the whalers isn't that cute that's so cute yeah i love them um so anyways keep looking at barrow while we keep talking it's like mostly like maybe that's part of the problem

let's put your schools anyway oh their school has a two and a three and a four not great okay continue

interesting what if we have a listener in Barrow please write to us if you're listening from Barrow please can we visit because I do want to go

I just you know ooh my house went up in price anyway anyway so okay back to the whales love of God So the U.S. State Department called out to the Soviet Union, which is kind of cool, like, in the middle of, like, hating each other, like the fact that the U.S. and the Soviet Union were like, you know what? Let's bend fences just to bring these whales home. I thought it was kind of nice.

I think that that is good. I think that they would do that. Yeah. And they asked the Soviet Union to send an icebreaker, which they did. It was called the Admiral Makarov to cut a path of the whales out to open water, which they did. And three weeks after they were discovered, the three whales weren't seen again, which is. like almost good news but not totally we know for sure the youngest whale a nine month old died before the path was cleared and we only know that the other two were never seen again after the path

was cleared interesting because I also always think like where are the whale bodies you just think to the bottom and they become like circle of life all those a shit ton of animals that just live in them yeah there's like a whole Wikipedia page dedicated to what's called whale falling which is like when they hit the

bottom of the ocean create like an entire ecosystem of themselves That's cool. Yeah. Many people assumed they made it out to open water, but for all we know, the stress of the event killed them as they swam out or shortly after they made it out and they just died.

I did read that, like, apparently their bodies were super cut up because they kept trying to breach, like, where the ice was, and they just, like, would cut their bodies wide open. So, like, the water was just full of blood. Oh, thanks. And that's the one where they made a movie about it,

starring Drew Barrymore and John Krasinski called the Big Man. which looks pretty bad it doesn't look like a good movie no it is not good i definitely saw it and thought this is not a good film you did see it i did i don't know why it feels like i wouldn't yeah i didn't see that's not the type of me that i would ever see but yeah yeah i mean i got over my will fetish after free willie like that was enough that was a big deal yeah and then we learned about like, you know, sea worlds disappointed us as people. Yeah.

I did go though in the 80s when we didn't know. I mean, I went later than that. I went probably like when I was like in my late teens, I would assume. There was one in San Antonio. The mirage that used to be used to exist in Las Vegas had a part of it that was Sigrid and Roy's. It was tigers and dolphins. God. Derek Titus is all I had there.

And we went to see a dolphin show with the kids. Miles was like very, very little. And Florence and I were in the, um, in the gift shop just like trying to buy a white tiger. And, um, Sigfried was there. Did you tell you this? And Sigfried was there. Sidreid was there. And I started screaming like, I was insane.

I was like, Sigfried is there. And I brought Florence over and he did a magic trick for her. He pulled a coin out of her ear. He was in the gift shop? Yes. He was just hanging out. He just like would walk in and be like, hey, everyone, I'm, I'm six feet. You know.

Was he in his like? costume? Kind of. He's wearing like a cool suit. He had cool hair. And he like, there's pictures of us. Like, we're hugging and forces above us. And my face is like, like, I've never been more excited. That's pretty fun. It was very fun. Still, don't do the animals. I hate the animal stuff. Like, let tigers be tigers. Let dolphins be dolphins. Like, you don't, why would you put a dolphin in the deserts of Nevada? Like, it makes. No, I know. I hope. I mean, I'm sure they were like saved, but like also not. You're right. It's just put him in the ocean. But also like, are they going to die again?

God, I should watch Deep Blue Sea tonight. This is my best work. Do you know what we're talking about here? Like, have you been paying attention to the subject matter at all? I am half paying attention. It says nothing to our sharks or Alzheimer's. It doesn't. Well, I'm just saying that, like, you know, they should let those sharks out,

but then like, why did they do that? Because they made it super brains. Sure. Sure. Okay, continue. Back to the whale. rescue um so i will say these types of rescues are very rarely successful it seems like whales in particular are way more susceptible to like stressors that can kill them um and also because it's a

logistical nightmare how do you get these things out like the federal government has to get involved like none of this is like super easy or super doable right there was an example um on the coast of Canada where 600 narwhals were trapped and they were just euthanized because they're like what they were saying was like this is just prolonged suffocation like they're like there's like grounding very very slowly so just like kill them um there's one really sad one i read which was um it reminded me of did you ever see um sharks in paris yes okay this was like this is literally that except it was a beluga not a shark um but it did scare me the fact that like a giant ocean creature can just swim up the Sien River in Paris.

Apparently that is a thing that has happened before. So that could happen, the Sharks and Paris situation. I remember you told me to watch it, and then you were like, it's dumb, but it's good. And I thought it was dumb but good. Like, watch it. It was good. Yeah.

It's good to have a dumb movie. It cleanses the palate. It's exactly what it promises to be. Yeah. Yeah. And it was like making fun of the Olympics. Oh, because we were talking about the Olympics. I was making for the Olympics having like the Olympics.

Oh, God, it was good. I should watch that tonight. Yeah. Apparently, the whole, like, swimming in the Sien got, didn't someone to, like, die or get, like, botulism doing that? They got real fucking sick. Yeah, like, the sharks are the least your problems or something in. But, yeah, like, that really happened in 2022.

A beluga whale swam up the Cian River in Paris, and it got stuck when it hit the end, the river lock at the end of the river. And because of his echolocation, it was just bouncing off the walls, the side of it, and it couldn't figure out what to do and where to go. A rescue attempt was made. And they got the way. out of the river and they transferred

it into a transportation van that was like refrigerated because apparently they need to be super cold to like survive and it was being tended to by like marine biologists and veterinarians and everything but like halfway there was a 99 mile drive to the ocean and halfway there they realized that its breathing was getting

super labored and like it wasn't being responsive and they're like we just got to euthanize there's no way this thing is like surviving this experience yeah so they did and all that kind of of left open the question whether humans should intervene in these situations at all. I did look up a Nat Geo article from October 7th, 1988, and a marine biologist is in reference to the three-grade whale rescue that spurred that movie, the miracle, whatever, big miracle.

But they didn't rescue them, did they? We don't know. We don't know. We know that one for sure died. We don't know if the other two survived. Regardless, the attempt was made. There's no proof that it worked, but like, they tried. Exactly.

But this marine biologist was quote. after discussing that event, and he was saying, quote, speaking strictly from a biological standpoint, a rescue doesn't make sense. That's natural mortality. The ones that made mistakes, the ones that are weaker, the first that are going, sorry, the ones that make mistakes, the ones that are weaker are the first that are going to die. And there's a reason for that. That's what keeps the population strong, which is like true.

You don't have to be a total prick. Like, it's still, like, it's so hard-warming. It's a real dick way to say that, but like, yes. I mean, I mean, it mended fences between the Soviet Union in the United States. Like, you know, like, I don't know. Like, was it really the worst thing in the world that we tried that? Probably not. But sure.

Be a sourpuss about it. For real. Okay, we get it. We're just trying to. Trying to save the whales, man. So. That is funny. So anyways, that's my story today.

It was part feel good because we do try sometimes. But in most cases, we just ended up euthanizing them. yeah i mean i guess that edie's doctors right that like you know it's not our if we weren't there it would just die and that's the point you know right it got there somehow but also that is it is sad how um you know it'd be sad to be stuck somewhere where you can't breathe yeah i've always thought that you don't want to help them um when i was trying to figure out a topic to research for this episode this is like right before we're going out to dinner with jane beth this like really nice steakhouse i made reservations at um i was like researching again these plane crashes

and i started reading like accident reports of two of them i can't remember it was one was air asia and i can't remember who the other one was but these were planes that like crashed and sunk like super deep into the ocean and there was some banter about like how they recovered some bodies but apparently

because of the pressure down there and because of like how cold it is decomposition doesn't happen and so there's like probably literally oh my god I got so scared Taylor because I read all this and I told

Rachel and Rachel was like this is a great conversation topic for dinner, maybe save it. She's very smart. And then I went and took a shower, and while I was showering, I was like, there's fuselages of planes in the deep ocean, and there's literally humans with their eyes open, like, frozen. Like, have you heard that thing? Like, how many dead bodies in a pool would let you swim in it, would like, stop me from

swimming in it? Because there's usually zero dead bodies in a pool, but there are thousands of dead bodies in the ocean and you still submit it. What they were saying was that on recovery what happens is they basically just turn into soup because the pressure that's holding the bodies

together just goes away higher up in the water column and it just it's so scary. It's like the scariest thing. I always wonder like about the Titanic like I feel like there should be more bodies in it. There could be because there's a lot of parts of it that they can't look at because it's like

buried in clothes but like I'm sure there are. there's probably like rooms that are like entombed that are full of bodies is anything behind me I can see your shadow is that scary oh my god I know I know it is scary that's really scary I went on the shower after that

and then I started thinking where's this water from again for real like a Lisa lamb yeah exactly I know no we're drinking dead body water literally constant that's why I hate lakes you know whenever like lakes start like

losing water like Lake Mead went down 8 feet and they found like 100 dead bodies yeah yeah it was like a mafia dumping breath yeah they were like oh there's a lot of skeletons with cement on their feet I don't know if it's a dead bodies that freaks me out I think it's the fact that like you could go down there and they're just there and they're just like staring at you

and you're like oh my god there is a good movie have you ever seen Hold on. I'm going to look at a movie about an underwater town. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the one that they flooded in, like, Georgia, I think. Yeah, and they do like a, oh gosh, it's not that ones, but it's like a horror movie, but it's really good.

No, are you thinking about the deep house? Yes. Yeah, yeah, deep house. I liked the deep house. It was great. It's at, like, silence and, like, oh, you see, like, a children's bike, and then you see, like, a door, and then you see like a thing you know but it's true it happened it was like a racist thing it was

like a black town somewhere in georgia i forgot what the name of the lake was but they like released open the dams and like literally if you were to like go all the way to the bottom like there's like a church and like it's so scary so scary i hate it i hate lakes we went to like big bear lake and the kids and juan jumped in and i was like 100% now i'll be in the boat if you need me i will not be dealing with the fucking leak monsters there's no way yeah and then and then Taylor, what I was actually thinking was like, if you're a diver or like whoever goes, first off, how do they actually do this? Because like, it's so deep that you can't put a person out there. So it's got to be, I couldn't understand what the logistics word of how you even bring these bodies up or bring these fuselages up.

How that worked. So if anybody knows what that is, please write it to us. But the other part of it was like, how much therapy are government paying for? Like, if that was your job, I would assume that you're on the job. job for like 25 minutes and you're in therapy for the rest of the year and then you do it again like it has to be like so scary even like if your job is like find bodies like a car wreck you know like they're not that far from the surface what are dreams like they're terrible like your dreams have to be horrible nightmares like constantly I know anyways if anybody knows

is Duminafelpot at G1.com, right? And let me know because I tried. I literally was pulling up these reports of these accidents. And I was going through 275 pages each. I would love to interview someone, yeah. And I was just like, get to the part where you explained how the logistics of this works. Like, I couldn't find it. Like, my job doesn't involve like a jump scare.

Yeah, no kidding. Exactly. You know, like, eventually you're like, closing your eyes and you picture like a plane filled with corpse. with their eyes open, staring at you in the deep. Dude, it's so scary. So scary. You keep looking behind you. It's so scary.

It's not even dark out where you are yet, but I know. I feel like you would get scared. Yeah. That's fun. Yeah. Wait, if you enjoyed our whale episode, let us know a dutiful pod. Oh, we're trying our best.

Very cool. Very fun. Thank you. That's, it's interesting. They're like, you know, this is stupid. But whales have entire lives that we have not going to do. with you're like oh the ocean's so freaking weird and scary

yeah well can't cut it nothing belongs to the ocean no it's so fucking scary there's just so many terrible monsters down there yeah I want to watch deep house again that was really good that one freaked me out

like a lot because I thought it was really good I don't know what that um phobia is where seeing manmade objects underwater is scary but whatever it is I have it Like, it freaks me out. I know what you mean. Yeah.

It's so unnatural. It's so alien that it's like everything's wrong. My brain's not processing it accordingly. So, yeah, Deep House is good. Mm-hmm. Anywho. What else you got for us, Taylor? I was in the car with my husband the other day.

It was wonderful. I listened to all of our episodes. And sometimes when we get in the car, like, his phone will automatically hook up and just, like, play whatever he was listening to. And it played one of our shows. and he listens to us at 1.2 speed. Should I be offended? No, I'm, like, amazed. I'm, like, very impressed with him

because most of our life is him looking at me being like, I have no idea what you're saying. Or just, like, say yes and me being like, did you even understand what I said? And he's like, no, I just smile and say yes sometimes. He's like, I actually play you at 0.5 speed in my brain. Before we even did this, he told me when I made a few of a podcast, I would listen to you at 0.5 speed.

And here he is listening at 1.2. So thank you on Carlos. Well, like with anything in life, the more you do it, the better it gets. And I will say our first like 20 episodes are a little hard to hear or listen to because we are rushing and running through it pretty fast. And so we got better at pacing ourselves and breathing. You can slow it down. Yes.

I try not to say as much as they do. But we do it. Yeah, no, that's it. That's all I got. Thank you, everyone. If you have any ideas, doomed to fill apart. at gmail.com. I'm trying to go up on TikTok again. I am going to do, like you just said, for the next topic episode that I do because I gave a list of, what did I do? Medical history was

the last one I did. So I'll, let me tell you right now, just real fast. So in our, as a list of medical history, things that we have, there's Henrietta Lacks, the appendix, thalidomide, fatal insomnia that you did an episode on, you did your self-surgery in Antarctica, polio, interviewed my dad, talk about polio, organ transplants, one and two. So a lot of medical history that we have. Next one, I will consolidate all of our plane crash episodes. So I have that prepped for this weekend. You're going to have a busy time doing that.

You know there's a lot of them. I keep finding crazy plane crash stuff. I told you that on my way to Austin when I visited the other week. I talked to the lady next to me the entire time. and she was very, very kind to listen to me for two and a half hours, but I have never been less scared on a flight because I couldn't stop talking to her. I kept talking. I mean, obviously I had been drinking, but like I was excited and I talked to the whole time.

And at one point, it was so bumpy. The flight attendants had to sit down and I didn't even care. And I was like, well, this is what you should do, just find someone to talk to you. So beware that next person is sex to me on a plane because I'm going to talk to you the whole freaking time. Taylor, amidst all this research of corpses with their eyes open to the bottom of the Pacific Ocean, I also booked a flight for me and my parents to go to the UK

Oh, you told me that's so fun But all I was thinking of was like I'm just like in the open ocean Yeah And also Do you have a layover? Where's your layover? No, there's not layover

Nice Yeah It's straight from DFW I'm gonna go up to Dallas But in the middle of like all this I also Stuff you should know Release a two-parter

About the Malaysian Airlines flight Which I've already like Research to Death Like I've gone over that like so many times. I heard the Atlantic article was really good, but I can't get access to it. I don't think I did that. I watched a bunch of YouTube videos and read the

Wikipedia page and all the podcasts on it. But I was like listening to that and I was like, oh yeah. And also if the pilot just wants to kill you, they'll just kill you. Like there's no like there's no solution. Which you talked about in like a bunch of things. Like the pilot is like having a if he has a thing going on

and also like you were saying in like the German wings one right where he was like if I go and get psychological help and we'll lose. my fucking job. There you go. You know, so like maybe they don't. Maybe I stopped looking at plain stuff until I get back home.

Yeah. It's probably smart. Have you, wait, have you watched the Twilight Zone with Dan Carlin in the plane crash? Yes. Yeah, I sent you a picture of it.

Yeah, I started watching it. I was like, oh my God, Dan Carlin. But you told me to watch it. I probably did. I probably did.

I keep, you know, I keep mentioning him on blue sky and like everything he says, just until he becomes different. So, you know. Has he liked anything else or retweeted? He has not, but I'm sure he knows who we are in like a fearful way. And like a, uh, doomed to fail is liking everything I say and replying to things.

Like he like didn't have someone to help with his shows all across. He's like on tour right now. And he was like, couldn't find somebody to co-host. And I was like, I'm very available. I'd get on the plane in the next hour and be wherever I need to be. You are definitely on a list that his security team has. 100% like my facial recognition oh wait no no no they'd be like oh there's a woman here it must be Taylor

that's the actual answer also topic idea and folks can let us know if they like it or not it would be fun to have like a movie night of like let's just talk about our favorite movies that we both know because you ask me all the time about like hey have you seen this have you seen this and the answer's always no but like I've seen a lot of stuff and it just never makes it into your references but we have seen on the horror side, a lot of the same stuff. My first, the first thing in mind is Event Horizon.

Oh, my God. I can literally quote every line of that movie. It is amazing. It's so good. Oh, my God. Don't watch it alone. Hell is just people having sex, but also eating each other. Makes sense.

I can go see it. Let's do it. That sounds super fun. I mean, just for us. Yeah. We're friends. We just call each other one every one, actually. We don't have to record anything.

We have like seven conversations going on in different medium, so we're fine. Cool. Well, thank you, everyone. Doomedepilpah, gmail.com. We have a Patreon. We have all the things. Please find us and like and tell your friends. Please.

Thank you, Taylor. We'll go ahead and cut it off. Cool.