Doomed to Fail - Ep 217: James and the Giant Bitcoin - James Howells

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

What would you do if you accidentally threw away a fortune? In this episode, we dig into the story of James Howells — the IT worker who tossed out a hard drive holding thousands of Bitcoins, worth hundreds of millions of dollars today. From the rise of cryptocurrency to the landfill treasure hunt that captured global headlines, we explore how one mistake turned into one of the most expensive “oops” moments in history. Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you do for your country. Taylor, we are back four days later. How are you doing? How long do you think a week is? Do you know?

It's not four days. I've been on a lake all day. I'm good. Great. It's been a week since we talked. For context, we record two episodes in a single day, and I keep forgetting what they were released on, and then I make blunders like this.

But hopefully this will all get it edited out in post. We'll see. You see how fortunate I am. Also, just you. Just me. I know. To you. Hello, welcome to Doom to Fail.

Thank you. I totally forgot about this. It is probably Monday. My name is Taylor, joined by Fars. We bring you historical disasters and failures. And today we're going to hear from Fars. And I have a really fun story today. Excited.

It's not about the Ark of the Covenant, but you just happen to also be learning about the Ark of the Covenant. I go on these weird sidewinder journeys. That's awesome. No, it has done to do with the Ark of the Covenant. It has to do with, so I'm going to, I'm going to be like a little bit prejudiced for a second. Good start so far. So I've been to a lot of like conferences where somebody corners me and starts telling me about the blockchain, about crypto.

And I don't know how to express the degree of repellence I have towards those people. But it's like if someone would have wrote me that I didn't want to grow up me, like, that's how I feel. I want to just get away as quickly and as fast as possible. What are you, are you, again, not to victim blame, but are you asking for it? What were you wearing? I was wearing a polo. Actually, most cases I was wearing a polo, so I was asking for it. You're right.

It was a lot of cost. You got me on that. But all that being said, I'm going to touch on that topic. Cool. Within the parameters of a very interesting story, which begs the question, what would you do, Taylor? If you woke up one day and realized you lost $900 million. I'd be upset. You'd be upset.

Yes. So I think by now, Most people have heard the story of the guy who lost a bunch of Bitcoin because he threw a hard drive away. It's so fun. It's such a fun story. I'm excited because I don't understand why he can't just, like, get it another way. But I also understand, I just 15% understand the blockchain, so I get that you can't also. So please tell me more.

Exactly. So, like, I want to, like, go through. There's actually not a huge amount of content about the guy's query and search for, his lost hard drive but like so much of it is based on what the bitcoin phenomenon ecosystem are all about that like i'll just like go i'll start there as like a baseline here let me take a second our sisters are barking but it's fun to mention that i don't think bitcoin is real money but also like what is real money because we just made that up too so why wouldn't this be like the next thing anyways so i'm going to get into like the aspect

of Bitcoin that like we're actually like fascinating like how it came about and like what happened like what did like again these are the conversations that if I were to bar in DC or New York and somebody were to talk to me about it I'd be like I literally wrote this down I'm going I'm going to read from the outline directly I go by the way before listeners switch this off I'm going into the whole history of the blockchain I'm sorry I'm not going into the whole history the blockchain. We've all been cornered by someone at a bar wearing Patagonia and explaining to us how money is a scam and that crypto is a future. I feel like that happens in DC a lot. Yeah. I literally put that down. I'm not doing that. I'm not that guy. I promise it's not going to

end with me trying to sell you a doomed to fail coin. Like this is. Oh God. I know. Don't don't buy it if we ever try to sell you a meme coin. So, so so my general perspective is that 99.9% of crypto is a complete and utter scam. Like, it is all bullshit. I whispered that all you're away. I'm sure. Did you really? Yeah, I think crypto is a scam, but also all money is a scam, but also crypto is like especially a scam.

It's obviously such a scam. It's so clearly a scam. It's like, this is the next one. It's the next big thing. And like, what are you doing with that? Like, why do you care if it's the next big thing? If it's the next big thing, then just let it ride. but you don't because you want real money.

Right. But I will say that my personal belief is that Bitcoin stands outside of that equation is the only consistent thing, which is why this story is so fascinating. Totally. For one, it has the benefit of actually having consistent growth over time, unlike other cryptos. Also, it has a unique advantage of being capped. so there's a finite amount of it in the universe which isn't true for like most cryptos like there's always even more of it but all crypto is on the blockchain yes or is there one blockchain

or so there is no such thing as like one technology the idea the idea is the blockchain is a concept it's not like a highway yeah yeah it it's the fact that like every computer that is like a part of that ecosystem is running the validations simultaneously for all transactions. Like that's what the idea behind blockchain is. So, and I learned so much here, Taylor, that, like, I did not know. And I'm, like, semi-plugged in enough to know that, like, guys who try to sell me on this are all wearing Patagonia. So, like, I know enough.

But this still taught me something. I love that. I love it. I'm so sorry that happens to you. It's crazy. If you want to text me a safe word, I can call you. I might have to do this. I might have to do this.

So Bitcoin is a concept. It kind of all started with this guy named Satashi Nakamoto. For context, there's probably not a single person named Satashi Nakamoto who did this. It's almost certainly a pseudonym for a person or group of people who came out with the original code for Bitcoin. and how it was to be created, stored, and the rules by which it operates, which also cannot be changed. And that's why it's capped, because every, because every private server that's mining or transacting Bitcoin is also running the code, contain the rules, and also a ledger that validates every transaction. It's like, that's the idea behind it. That's the blockchain piece

of it. That's like, the promise that it's like, that you and I both don't own the same thing. Exactly that. Exactly that. And I'll tell you, which I'm literally, that's the problem we're trying to solve, actually. real quick so going back to satashi he built off the work of others before him the idea was to create a digital currency early on like the 1990s is what it was where the overhead of creating the currency involves solving some mathematical riddles or puzzles and in exchange for doing that successfully you were you were going to be rewarded with this digital coin that was the idea of crypto basically and i can't ask my myself like what problem does it solve like i don't have a problem with like my money in bank of

america you know right i mean i don't ever i very rarely have any physical money you know almost never like our one of our contractors who comes into stuff in the house he's like a mountain man and does not use bank so he needs to pay in cash i had to like open bank account at a chase because usa doesn't have atams because i just have never gotten cash out of atm and you years. So here's what money is digital, right? So, but here's what funny is that cash isn't the problem because cash doesn't require a middleman to validate whether you have the cash where you don't have the cash, right?

Like you either have it or you don't. The problem becomes in digital transactions where there's a middleman in the middle that's logging the ledger on both sides of like Taylor's paying Fars. Taylor have this money to pay Fars? She does. Does Fars have the ability to accept this money? He does. Like, like, that gets into, like, what problem

they were trying to solve when they first came out with crypto as a concept. The first idea was, again, there's no middleman, meaning you don't need a bank or any company in the middle of the transaction to validate the person X can pay person Y, which is the hypothetical we're talking about here.

Okay. It also made debanking impossible. like debanking is mostly a problem in authoritarian countries but when it becomes a problem in your country like you're acutely aware of it as a thing so is that that's different than like there's a some very high percent of the american population is unbanked because they don't have a bank but like debanking is that like taking that away from people yeah yeah it's taking away from people yeah various reasons like again if you're an authoritarian country and you are worth millions and you have the resources to push back against the government, well, maybe you don't

have the resources anymore. Maybe you don't have the bank access to a bank anymore. Like, that's a huge issue. It also, I mean, here's where like crypto gets on this weird, like, legal gray area is that like if you're working in the gray or the black markets, like you don't have access to banking. Like marijuana transactions, when they became legalized in California, for example, wasn't legalized federally which meant that banks that operated federally which is like pretty much every bank

they weren't able to transact marijuana transactions you can only pay in cash or use a debit card and they treat it like you're taking out of ATM exactly that exactly they give you change back forever it is yeah

yeah also traditional money used to be fixed to the gold standard which meant there was a one to one ratio of dollar in the dollars of the economy to the gold being held the Federal Reserve, the argument being that like now that isn't the case anymore and a dollar is worth a dollar only because we decide that it's worth a dollar. And there's

also no cap. If the Federal Reserve decides that it wants to flood the market with cash, they can totally do that. Meanwhile, Bitcoin is actually capped to 21 million coins. I actually didn't know that until today. That's the cap. They can never exceed that amount. And finally, the only requirement to be part of this version of the economy, is an internet connection like you don't need to be a part of a bank a country or anything there's no holidays there's nothing like it's all and like i'm gonna be honest to like i don't know why all this is a big deal because i don't do anything criminal so i don't i guess it's a big deal because the value of bitcoin's gone up so much but like i don't

totally get it if i'm being honest but whatever they can make that x amount of coins but the coins can be worth whatever infinite amount of money it's all it's all based on market demand it's all based on what people think it's worth it's just like cash in in the current market and in this like this part actually blew my mind quite a bit so 2005 to 2007 is when people high up in the global financial sectors realized that we were heading for a huge economic collapse the international banking system started getting hit in 2007 with french and german banks become the first recipients of public bailouts by late 2007 they had spread to banks of banks in england and eventually

the u.s i did not know that i was very self-centered and was like this is a u.s thing i agree i yes i did not know i know there's a global economy but i understand what you're saying dude i wrote down like there was an old saying i remember which was when the quote when the U.S. economy sneezes, the rest of the world catches the cold. Like, our economy is so freaking huge and so spread out. Yeah. Everything that we touch affects other countries. And, like, I did not know this about the recession in 2008.

But in 2008 is when the crisis actually hit the U.S. the hardest. That's when, like, you know, AIG went out of business. That's when Burr. Remember, Lehman and Bear. Yeah, exactly. or not a business, yeah. And this was the time when the world finally had, like, a clear view into, like, all the shady dealings and practices of the financial institutions. Like, how, like, easily they could destroy all of our lives if they wanted to.

Mm-hmm. And it's within that context, in August of 2008, Satoshi Nakamoto, the person, the pseudonym, the group, whatever, they released their first Bitcoin into the wild. And they created it as part of the ledger. it's called the genesis coin is the very first bitcoin ever produced and as part of that the ledger read quote the times zero three January 2009 chancellor on the brink of a second ballot for banks so it was like a nod to the fact that like hey like we're trying to do something like different than what money has been and this is it and all of that came

like I'll get into this later on like do you understand how bitcoins are generated it has to be mine somehow I don't know what that means is that right yeah you you basically they basically is part of the code base

that is being run on all these CPUs that are running the ledger that mine bitcoin there's a logic and encryption to it which is the computer that is running the computations for mining has to solve a very complex mathematical equation and over time that equation gets harder and harder because the more that is mined the system

has like a logarithmic look back towards how easy it was to mine that last bitcoin it determines whether to increase the encryption level of the next coin that mines or decrease it typically what is supposed to happen is that a new coin should be mined every 10 minutes. That's not where we are at this point. Because so many people have tried to mine Bitcoin that the encryption level

it keeps increasing to the point where now you need industrial level processors to do that. You can't do it on their own. Yeah, exactly. I'm actually to get into that here in a bit, but it's a whole that's how you generate them.

You're talking about that guy who mined Bitcoin at work and got fired? At our work? No, not our work, but like some dude did it at his job, and he got super fired for it. Yeah, it's a horrible use of company resources. Yeah. So in the early days, mining Bitcoin was like mostly for cryptography nerds, like people that were super new, like code breaking concepts. Because there was no value in Bitcoin. Nobody knew what it was.

Like, there wasn't any money to be made doing this. Is it a game? Yeah, it was a game. They're only doing it because they kind of caught wind of this concept on some esoteric math forums and, like, cryptography forums that Satoshi had posted to. After a year to, Satoshi himself wasn't even involved in Bitcoin. Like, by 2010, this release in 2008, in 2010, he was not involved in Bitcoin at all. There's no transactions or ledgers that included his wallet as part of the history of Bitcoin whatsoever. And on that note, his wallet and basically all crypto wallets are basically public, they kind of have to be so the ledger can be used for future transactions to ensure the chain of custody of that Bitcoin.

Right. So we know, we know who we know that his wallet has not been touched. It's interesting because his wallet, we know for a fact, currently contains 1.1 million bitcoins. Wait, but it doesn't exist. It does exist. That volume of Bitcoin that this guy has held since 2010 currently makes him roughly equal in wealth to Warren Buffett, $135 billion. but he's not like catching it out not cashing it out if he exists yeah is that crazy i wonder what that's about one of my questions to um to uh gpti chat gbt was how can someone be worth

135 billion and be anonymous like how is it even possible like oh i yeah well i feel like we we know like 10 billionaires and there's like thousands of them yeah yeah he like this this would put him on the list of the 15th richest person in the entire world wow and nothing for 15 years now do you think he's not a real person no i think he's a real person and i think that he is someone who is passionate about his mission and is driven by cause and not money and he knows that if you were to liquidate it would tank the value and tank tank the transaction oh that's fair he understands economics and so he's like i i want this to survive way past me and i think that's probably way he doesn't do it i would

i would absolutely do it the ultimate rugpool yeah you'd never see me again yeah but that's where we're going to leave satoshi off and go into an early cryptography nerd named james howell James is a British man born in 1985 making 23 years old when Satoshi released the first Bitcoin he was always

into computers and math and was a tinker in the early days of the internet when the global economy collapsed in 2008 he was part of that growing course of people who thought the financial system was a scam and full shit

and was trying to screw people and he saw the promise in the idea of crypto based on the writing of Satoshi. I actually pulled up through the Wayback Machine, some of his writings, Satoshi's right? Like, they're weirdly like prescient to our times. Like, like, he was literally just calling a spade a spade in a way that people were probably uncomfortable. Like, he was like, yeah, like, this is a messed up system. Like, you don't know what the incentive structures are of the groups that are. of the groups that are doing what they're doing and like they have the capacity to tank all of

our lives like he was he was right it's not it's not yeah it's all kind of like it's all made up yeah it's not fair i mean it is made up a dollar is a dollar because we say it's a dollar like it is made exactly yeah so back in those days again anyone with a normal computer at home could mine bitcoin roughly to the tune of a hundred or so a day so like if you just had a normal average run-of-the-mill consumer PC you could mine $100 Bitcoin a day, which is like crazy by today's standards. The way Satoshi wrote the rules of the original code base was that the system would look backwards as coins are mined.

If too many coins were mined too fast, the difficulty level of that math puzzle would increase to reduce the amount of coins being developed in sent into circulation. So back when James got involved, you could run the mining program in the background all day long as you're doing your day day life like it's not a big deal like you do on your home PC right like now to mine a bitcoin the difficulty level has gone to the point where you need to warehouses of industrial strength computers to do this at scale like it is like it is I saw some of the server farms that do this and like they're crazy like you require tens of millions of dollars to run these places of course um I think I I can't recall exactly but I think

the last I read was that as of now about 19 million Bitcoins of a mind, the total cap on Bitcoins is 21 million. That could never be more than 21. They're saying that between the 19 million that are out there today

and the 21 million that can be out there. So 2 million Bitcoin, it's going to take until 2140 so we can mine them all. Because it's going to It takes expenditure longer.

Yeah. Exactly. Which, like, it makes sense why the dollar value of Bitcoin goes up so much. Because, like, every moment of the day, it becomes a more finite resource. But it's only viable

because we say it's viable, not because it actually is. Yeah. So, for a year or so, from when Satoshi released that first Bitcoin, James was one of the first people online actually mining Bitcoins at home

and he would also do random upgrades to his computer. He would change parts of his computer tower. He would replace the hard drive, the motherboard of the GPUs. Sometime in mid-2013, James was clearing out the workspace

that he ran out of his house and decided to ditch some hard drives and he asked his girlfriend, this poor woman named Hafina, to throw out a bag containing some hard drives. yeah months later like i think it was like three months later bitcoin hit one thousand dollars per coin and he was like oh shit i'm rich like where's my bitcoin

hard drive and that's when he realized like i don't actually have it at that point it's so funny because back then it's kind of cute back then his hard drive contain $8 million of Bitcoin, which is a lot of money, but it's like cute in comparison to like what he actually lost. I know. I mean,

if he, I know, yes. So he races down to the landfill in South Wales where it's presumed the waste ended up. And he begs to be allowed in to search for it. But by that time, they estimate that it's buried under roughly

100 to 200,000 tons of waste. oh my god since that day he has been continuously lobbying the city council for permission to search the landfill and he keeps getting denied in 2021 he offered the council

25% of the value of the Bitcoin that he can collect if you were to recover it which they also denied their logic was look if we allow you to do this we're going to incur a ton of cost and there's no telling if you can find

the hard drive drive and if you find the hard drive it's probably destroyed anyways right that's what I'm thinking too like it's probably full of water it rains well what he said is that it was in a protective case which like cool like

they probably don't test those things of the 200,000 tons um and that was like it was like it we'll find some forensic recovery company that can do this um the estimate

to try and recover the hard drive of the city council and by James himself was around 5 million pounds he even went so far to offer a hedge fund 50% of the wallet if they can provide him financial support to recover it because he needed a ton of money like he needed to make he had 5 million in cash in his opinion to do this the recovery cost by james's own estimate have since balloon to as of 22 10 million pounds is now he wants to deploy AI robots and AI drones to help. I thought he gave up. No, he has not given up.

I thought he gave up like this week. No. Did he? I didn't read that. I feel like, yeah, he gave up a week ago. Seriously? The BBC said Bitcoin, James Howells gives up on August 7th. Oh, wow. It's been 10 days. that's sad i don't want him to give up i don't want to give up either

dude find the hard drive man james james james james james you can do it right now so he also went on like actually you don't want to kind of make sense because the other half of this i was going to say was that he actually sued the city council in twenty twenty three for like four and forty billion pounds for not allowing him to search and in january it's 25, like this year is when the suit was dismissed by the court saying that, quote, James, like, had no realistic prospect of succeeding in the search for the hard drive. So, like, maybe he heard that and was like, okay, like, nobody believes in this and so maybe I should give up. So as of today's Bitcoin price, that hard drive contains $944 million.

Wow. Is that insane? That's insane. That sucks. So that is a single most expensive human blunder in history. Yes, we've had other blunders like the James Hubble Telescope and like we've collectively as a species, we've had more expensive blunders. But for a single person, for a single interest to have done anything, this is the biggest one. Do you know what the second biggest one was?

Give me him. It was another Bitcoin guy. No way. Who was a guy? It was a guy named Stephen Thomas, who has $827 million in Bitcoins on a thumb drive with a security protocol. Oh, we can't remember it. The caps out at 10 attempts. He is at eight attempts.

He doesn't remember his fucking. If he has two more wrong attempts, the hard drive self-discipline. rocks that is insane yeah is that nuts yes billions billions of dollars wow that's wild and that their money or their whatever their bitcoin for whatever it's worth is like lost forever they can't access it but no one else can either he's like reset those couple coins and put them back into the circulation that would inflate it so now talking to myself I think I'd rather be the guy who can't remember his password than this guy. I don't know.

I feel like. Because I feel like I could like take, I think I could take that thumb drive to like Apple or Microsoft and be like, you can have 90% of the bitcoins on this wallet. Just giving your best engineers. Solve this for me. Right. Tell you, did I ever saw you that I, that in 2011, I bought 10. 10 bitcoins for $5.

No way. Yeah. Yeah, I used them all. I spent them all. There was a stupid app I wanted to buy for my shitty Android phone and I used them all. And when Bitcoin hit $60,000

a piece, I was like, could I have been smart enough to have bought like an extra couple and I was not. Yeah. You know, I was talking to Rachel about this. I was like,

I don't feel that bad about it because honestly, I probably, like, by the time I hit like 50 bucks a piece, I would have sold it. Yeah. And there's like, I was like these like stupid ads for this, um, like stock market investment thing. And it's like, well, if you would have bought Apple and this time, you would have had this rich money. And I'm like, yeah, of course. I like that about every fucking stock. Like, if I would have known the future, yes. But I don't.

I will say now I only Sounds so stupid and douche But I pretty much only when I have spare money To like invest beyond like 401Ks and whatever Like I'll put it in Bitcoin because I do think that the closer we get to hitting that cap The 21 million The more that value is just going to skyrocket Yeah

But I don't put but again Please God Never see me at a bar and talk to me about crypt I don't care I don't want to know I have a friend who is very passionate about it and it is weird

I love people that are passionate no matter what it is I think it's great to be into something and pass on something of course but in terms of like like like and y'all are all probably correct like y'all are probably like in 200 years your corpse will be

laughing at my corpse but right now here that now it doesn't who cares yeah yeah no totally um man that is wild i mean sometimes are like you know you accidentally throw away something you're like so pissed but it's never it's like whatever you know sorry rachel i was like i was like dude like like it could also be behind his back seat of his car like it could literally if he just like found it like if you if you if you're who throws away hardrised without wiping them yeah that's good point that's a good point i feel like i would but i guess maybe did you throw away the wrong bag or what did it just like accidentally had this thing in it no he they threw away the bag they thought had the he he he because he went back when it hit a thousand he was like oh shit i'm done i'm done working

i'm done i'm rich and then he went to pull it and was like oh my god like he Ned. What would your heart do? I feel like it would jump in a way that like your chest cavity would feel it. Oh my God. I think I'd throw up. Yeah. No, you'd feel terrible. And that was when you thought you lost $8 million. Never mind. I know. Nearly a billion. Oh my God. Anyways, fun times. Yeah, that was a I learned so much. The fact that I learned that like it was capped at $21 million. I didn't really know that. I didn't know that like the encryption is self fulfilling like it rewrites itself based on how fast it's so interesting like it's pretty cool it was a good concept i think that's cool also like yeah money's fake like it's fake anyway does it i mean yes what i mean

we don't know what we're doing anyway so like if it's all based on your trust in it well the trust that people have in like green currency is going to be gone in a hundred years anyways so like why doesn't it make sense to do this like anyway right and then like once we're not you know once we're off the gold standards we're just like even more making it up you know yeah so that's my story um again never ever approached me to talk about crypto for god oh my god It's so funny. You haven't to want to. Dude, I bet one, because one looks like someone who's into crypto.

One looks like the kind of guy who would approach me. So, first one, I love you, one. I love you. Definitely look like someone that would approach me about a crypto scheme. It's so funny. But you had a listener mail. Oh, I do have a listener mail. Our friend, Nadine, is actually in a really, really, really northern

part of Canada, very similar to Barrow, Alaska. And she was telling me about how they, because you talked about Barrow, Alaska last where is she? I'm not sure exactly, but it's like, she said it's like very, it's, it's north, super north in Canada, it's close to Barrow, but she said everything is very, very expensive there because we're talking about how the houses in Barrow were like, way more than we thought, which is totally makes sense. It's because there's nothing there.

You have to bring it there. Yeah. You know, is she in yellowfish? I don't know. If you hear this, I heard a lot from my friends up north about yellow fish and how beautiful, but yeah, crazy remote it is. You have to, like, drive through, like, white glacial ice to get there. And I heard it's incredible if you do get there, but it's also really hard.

So if you're there, that'll be crazy interesting to know. Yeah, I think that's like that. And then, yeah, that's like, the point in that she was saying, you know, um, they want, like, people have to live up there so, like, you can say that, like, it's part of Canada still. So people, like, live there and inhabit there, but it's, like, complicated because, like, it's so hard to get stuff. And there's also, like, indigenous people who are still there who are, who've been treated terribly throughout centuries and all of this stuff. And they are trying to, like, preserve any, you know,

way of life that they ever had. But then, like, people, like, we have to still have to, like, defend this area of Canada. Because you can't just, like, let the people walk into it. You know what I mean? Sorry, who would walk into that part of Canada? Russians. Can they really walk over to Canada? No, I think that the Bering Street was gone like a thousand thousands of years ago.

Should we not me walk on the Bering Street? Yeah. Sure. I did research that it's named after a guy named Bering. Is it really? Yeah, yeah. And I saw his grave. Yeah, I saw his grave online and it was like,

It was a very modest grave for someone that was named something so important. That's really funny. To be a good topic. Like Taco Bell is named that because the guy who invented his last name was Bell. Yeah. Like nothing to do with Spanish architecture. Yeah. So annoying.

Never would have thought. Wild. Wild. Um, yeah. That's what I got. If you have any ideas, if you live somewhere remote and cold, I live somewhere remote and hot, but it's not that remote. Send us an email.

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Talk to soon. Thank you.