Doomed to Fail - Ep 22: Czech on the Kids: Gypsy Rose and Jan Zizka

Episode Date: May 29, 2023

This week Farz covers the murder of Dee Dee Blanchard by her daughter’s boyfriend. The twist is that Dee Dee had been keeping her daughter, Gypsy Rose, in a state of medical distress for no reason. She pretended Gypsy had Muscular Dystrophy, Cancer, and more. Plus, she told her that she was  younger than she was?? All for attention & free trips to Disney. It’s Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy to the extreme. Taylor brings us back to the 1400s to talk about the Czech warrior and hero - Jan Žižka. In a time of Popes, Anti-Popes, and reformations - Jan never lost a battle. He was a one-eyed warrior (until he was a zero-eyed warrior) who brought new tactics to the battlefield that had never been seen before. Taylor is pushing the limit of the podcast by saying this is a relationship between the Catholic church and a people who just wanted to worship without being exploited. Good thing nothing has changed!  https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpodYoutube - https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpodGypsy from Refinery 29, people, biography, and good housekeeping https://letthemfightpod.libsyn.com/The Czech Braveheart: Jan Žižka - Gone MedievalWarrior of God: Jan Zizka and the Hussite Revolution   Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In a matter of the people of the state of California, first is Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. Okay. If you're good to go, we're going to kick things off. I'm good to go. Let's do it. Cool. I'm, wait, no, I'm not for us. I am far. Wow. Welcome.

So far so good. I've been at brunches and drinking espresso martinis since like fucking 10 a. So like I'm having a hard time. Welcome to doom to fail, the podcast where we explore two stories, one historical, one true crime, around red flaggy relationships that we're doomed to fail. I'm Fars, joined here by Taylor. Hi, Taylor. Hello. There we go.

I'm here. We have some pep and Taylor stuff. We're both a little out of it. Well, I'm a little out of it. Taylor's hosting a lot of people. And yeah, there's a lot going on in both of our lives at the moment. It's true. I'm sitting on the floor.

I'm not a bedroom, but I felt uncomfortable sitting on the bed. So my computer's on the bed and I'm sitting on the floor. Yeah, it's cool. It's cool. Are those trays, just random trays behind you? Or what is that? Yes, because I do have a plan. So someday we're going to renovate this house and add, like, another room.

And so I'll have to move in my office. So when I'm moving my office in this hypothetical situation and the main, in the far future i want to do a dark blue wall with a mirror in the middle and then just like as many silver platters as i possibly can around it so these are my first three silver platters so is there like some symbolism to that nope i just have dope style and i want to put it in my office you do have dope style you do have dope style i kind of i think i might steal that from you now actually and it's going to be cool so taylor i per usual uh i'm wondering who goes for First, I think it's me.

I think it's you. Okay, it is me. So why don't you share your drink and then I'll share my drink and my story. That's good. So this week we are drinking the blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Wow. Okay. Ben, you went all the way in.

Went. Cool. But your appetite for some dead guy blood. We got some wine. Okay. No flesh, just the wine piece. yeah yeah you don't want to like damp in the buzz by eating too we're just going to drink it's true true so i um i told taylor that it's been like a boozy sunday for me it like started with like

brunch and having espresso martinis and it just kept snowballing from there so i'm just going to call out espresso martinis as being delicious they're absolutely amazing yeah one of the best drinks you can have the morning not every morning like yeah yeah a nice weekend vacation morning long weekend morning you're right exactly um so that would be my drink and i'm gonna it has nothing to do with our story absolutely nothing to do with my story but i did have rosé also this morning like frose like frozen rosé and the name of the person we're talking about today is rose Oh, well, there you go. It is Gypsy Rose.

Oh. Didn't see that one coming, did you? I didn't see that one coming. See, because it's so, like, different, right? It's abuse between child and parent versus, like, a couple, which is like a very, very unique dynamic. So the two parties here are going to be Gypsy Road, Blanchard, and her mom, D.D. And I'm going to start right at the bat saying that I was so thrilled that D.D was just fucking stabbed to death and just gutted like a fish. Like that was somebody who absolutely had to be killed. Yes. No, she's a she's the baddie. A hundred percent. Like if anything, I feel really bad that the people who killed her were punished at all. It's just like it's all. It's so unjust me. So you're aware of this story, right? Yes. Okay. Yeah. So. So. So let's get into the main characters.

Like I mentioned, we are talking about a mother-daughter dynamic. The mother's name is going to be D-D-D. The daughter's name is going to be, or sorry, gypsy. Gypsy Rose is what she's referred to. So D-D-D-D-D was born. Her name was Claude. When she was born, her name was Claudeyne-Petree in 1967. She was raised in a pretty large family with five siblings.

And generally speaking, the assessment is that she's kind of a shit-head from birth. Like, her family seemed to always dislike her. And apparently, they later on suspected that she actually killed her own mother, although nobody could prove anything, because why would you? Because everybody's dead, right? Didi ended up dying. Her mom ended up dying, so who cares?

But long story, short, it, yeah. Well, there's actually a lot more to, like, how Dedy's dynamic with her family plays out, but we'll get that in a little bit. So, D.D. later on, ended up meeting a guy named Rod Blanchard, when she was 24 and he was

17 I saw the guy I saw interviews with him like he's like a normal dude like he's just like he's not what you would think of as like an average 56 year old guy like he's actually like super put together like yeah he was he was definitely like did he definitely punched above her weight by hooking up with rod is what I'm gonna what I'm gonna say I totally agree I feel like I that's I gathered that from things as well like he was yeah yeah yeah he was good dude And then obviously, like in this situation, so she's 24, he's 17. Obviously, it's like a one-night stand situation where she gets knocked up. Rod is clearly trying to extricate him from the situation.

So he leaves Didi, obviously. And then shortly after the separation, Didi gives birth to their child, Gypsy, who will become the other main character of today's story. So Dini started being kind of a helicopter parent in the worst way, almost immediately with gypsy so she was convinced early on that gypsy had different issues one of the main issues i heard was sleep apnea was one of the things that she kept staying like gypsy had sleep apnea so we have to take her to the hospital and she was here to the hospital and do overnight like testing with doctors all the time like it was like over the top level of like trying

to fake this is part taylor where like i don't actually know how i feel about this like was the person crazy to begin with or were they over the top parenting and then turn I don't know what it is I know that she turned crazy and insane eventually but I don't know how it started with like an infant me like they have sleep ap being like what are you talking about like kids don't get yeah like that's like for like old heavyweight overweight people like anyways like my assessment was like she probably started out having some sort of psychological issues begin with and that's how it started mom, D.D. D.D.

Or, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, it's funny because I, I was thinking about this, how, like, I, how little I take care of myself. So recently, Taylor, it's really funny because, um, I started tasting like copper in my mouth constantly. And like, I'd occasionally just like, I would like be in the shower when I'd spit and there'd be like, it would be pink. And I'm like, what is going on? Like, it's like my body is like deteriorating before my eyes. Like, it literally just started, and I'm like, how did this happen? But I'm going to get taken care of. I'm going to take care of. What is that? What could it be? So I read that it could be gum disease, but a gum disease is usually preceded by halitosis. And like, I don't have bad

breath. Like, well, the way you breathe right breath right there. No, you don't, but I just hope that you don't die. So I'm glad you should go to the doctor. Yeah, I'm going to go to the dentist. I was just thinking about it in context of like this woman would pursue such insane medical care for their for her kid and I'm just sitting here like I don't know my fucking gums are bleeding my heart stops every three minutes and I'm just like whatever I'll work it out whenever I work it out she was like over the top obnoxious so like to the extent where like doctors would start telling people other doctors just like ignore her like just don't deal with this and push her aside so that's basically the like how the kind of came across just super overbearing over the top and yeah she felt like she was doing the right thing as a mom or she was crazy i don't know i don't know if it was doing the right thing as mom or she was crazy what do you think i think she was crazy i think she just wanted the attention but it but with like a child with like a baby i mean it's like a literal psychological disease the monotone zone by proxy like it's a thing like there's been other cases of

it, you know. So I researched that. It's actually called Munchausen syndrome by proxy. Well, close. I just missed the word syndrome. No, I know because I'm telling you now, because earlier on in the, later on in the outline, I wrote Munchausen by proxy syndrome. And then I got to the very end and I was like, let's research this disorder. And then I found out it's Munchausen syndrome by proxy. And then I changed the end, but not the middle. So when I say it, I'm going to say it wrong. Just note that. so okay go back go by the story so at one point in um in gypsy's childhood uh dd made her use a walker because she basically told her she had muscular dystrophy and that she required required

it to walk and gypsy like she does what her name's so stupid that it makes me like i feel bad say it's like gypsy of course gypsy blue or gypsy so it's like it's like it's any kid well that's from that's from a movie is it gypsy roxy rosalie is like a person Oh, okay. I learn everything, something new every time. But, like, my point being, like, it's like a kid. Like, any kid is going to believe what their parents tell them. And Gypsy believed it.

She believed that she had muscle dystrophy. And she would use a walker. And later on, she would use a wheelchair as well. So going back to part of, like, how Dee Dee was trying to manipulate this situation, she started downplaying how old Gypsy was. So, for example, there were stories of when she was eight. or sorry, when she was 10, she would tell people that Gypsy was 8. When Gypsy was 18, she would tell people that Gypsy was 14.

There's no consistency in terms of the age differential, but she would constantly change in this age because she wanted her to seem younger and more ill and all the whole process, basically. Suffice to say, it seems obvious, but Gypsy was homeschooled, obviously, which gave all the control to the mom in one bit of interesting trivia i learned also literally just downloaded the harry potter game so it's like it's awesome and it relates to this as well is that gypsy only learned despite the fact that she was doing homeschool lessons she only learned how to read because she taught herself so she could read harry potter books oh my god yeah this kid taught it herself how to read and literally harry potter was the reason why and also the video game is fantastic hoggworth's legacy

if you don't have it, go download it. You've talked about it before. Yes, I'm sure we have. So, ultimately, Didi would fall in hard times and move in with her father and her stepmother. She really, really apparently disliked her stepmom, and apparently that was a mutual feeling all around. It was suspected that she was actually poisoning her stepmom with weed killer. It's crazy. D.D. was.

Stepmom. And later on, I'm going to get this, like, they moved away. they moved into their own own house after this and then immediately the stepmom got well like she was sick she would always be sick horrible circumstances and then dd and gypsy leave and all of a sudden she's fine and everybody's like yep she was poisoned her is basically a assessment we come to so assume she killed her mom assume she poisoned her stepmom and she did what we know she did to gypsy that's who dd was one thing that was interesting was that her parents also thought the way she treated gypsy was really messed up and they would constantly confront her on and be like

this isn't normal like it's clear she can walk on her own like she would like stand up like she would like do her own thing and she's like no no she needs a walker she's just being a wheelchair and it's like no she doesn't like we can see what she's doing like she's totally fine so yeah and that was part of the divide that resulted in gypsy and dd leaving the house and moving to a part of new Orleans, which is where the story kind of picks up around like when Katrina was going to hit, which was like a big part of this, actually. I'm going to talk about that a little bit. So I kind of going to talk shit a little bit like because I feel like Dede's kind of like a type of person. So she, um, she was one of those like she's always on public assistance, always on welfare

and never works. Just literally goes to the hospital, takes your, like, I partially think that's part of the problem is like that's what gives her life meaning and value is my kid is sick and I take care of my kid and like there's nothing else there's no career there's no work there's no events the conferences whatever like none of that goes on and so she's like yeah I just do this one particular thing I just take my kid to hospitals constantly back and forth apparently so you know I I don't know. I feel like that has to be at least a part of it. Like I said, she's just subsisted on public assistance and child support from Gypsy's dad, Rod. And yeah, I feel like that might be a part of why she did what she did was just like, like I got nothing else going on. Like this is all I have. I'm going to make this kid more important than she needs to be in a own way. Exactly. It's exactly the disease. Yeah. And like I wrote down here like I could actually go into a lot of detail about all the various treatments. that Dee Dee sought for Gypsy

or the various ways that she was like regaled as his hero mom or gypsy was regaled as a hero child but it's like constant like it would be like 17 hours or like me just talking about like like every time something would happen some weird non-profit

in the middle of nowhere would give them an award for being the bravest child of the week and then it's just it was just like nonstop like she put on a really good act of how to make her seem sick and also was noted that like when gypsy didn't act as sick as dd wanted dd would like squeeze her

hands but like no no perk up it was like it was like it was like a dog like training a dog like how to like act in the room space so that was another piece of this as well is like that's when it jumped the ship from like and maybe she was like concerned to like no no she was deliberately trying to make this child seem more sick than she was mm-hmm it got to a point actually where where doctors would perform this is crazy doctors would perform surgeries on gypsy for things

that like didn't have that like kind of existed but like no reputable doctor would do if they thought it existed to like that extent like if you have like web feet

for example a doctor's not going to say let's chop your leg off so we can fix your web feet like that's the extent of like she had issues a little bit a tiny tiny tiny bit and doctors would buy into it because like I said like the the doctor community was like just do what this woman wants like she'll never leave you alone just get her to shut the fuck up and just do what she wants basically um which is like really really gross and that kind of segues into the Katrina bit

because I do think that when Katrina hit and people from New Orleans were relocated there was already inherent um I feel bad for them nature of this mix that with like being a mom a single mom with a child who has like 17 different types of leukemia apparently like it's just like it compounds everything like we already had a giving spirit as a society and community after Katrina hit layer that on to the fact that you think this child is incredibly sick and that's what ends up happening so that's a piece of this as well that I'm going to like layer in here is Katrina hits they live in New Orleans and they're relocated to Missouri so yeah I wrote I wrote down how she would like like get awards for just like basically existing from every nonprofit in Missouri they also you go ahead first if you actually do a child who has a chronic illness like it does it is your life it is all you can do you know but that's not what happened no I know but that's what I'm saying that's that people like believed her you know that that's why she like saw that life and like thought it was something that she could do because it uh I'm saying you're saying like if you are

that level of like mentally ill this is a very easy and plausible way to like get that kind of validation from society. So gross. So gross. Yeah, no, you're literally using your child as like a gross pawn.

And I just, the doctor was being involved, I think is wild. Like, I feel like I, and I need to like get second opinions and like, think twice before you do things with doctors,

but doctors shouldn't, they should know better. So they should know better. So they did. So there's one doctor I'll get through here in a moment that literally was like, no, I saw what was going on and I was like,

she does not have muscular dystrophy. Like she can, walk like she has the musculature and the joints strength and all that stuff to actually walk and be ambulatory on her own but literally the other doctors in their community that guy actually called her other doctors so this is a missouri doctor he called her doctors in in louisiana and was like does this girl have muscular dystrophilia she's like no we did all the tests she does not have it like he confirmed all this but then everybody was like in the doctor community was like this woman's a fucking pain in the ass like we just leave it alone like don't don't deal with

this like what's you know they're supposed to first do no harm isn't that their oath yeah like yeah like there's there's a part of where it's like okay so if you're just like if this is your job being treated like your job I can get where you're like I'm just going to check out of it but it's more than a job when you're a doctor right like you go yeah yeah yeah yeah or beyond that so like maybe this guy should have had that level of commitment and investment in this but uh no that that guy actually comes up a lot later on because he was the only person who went on the record at some point saying, I think this is Bunchausen syndrome by proxy. Like that has to be what's going on because this girl should be able to walk.

All the tests indicate they should be able to walk. So, but anyways, so going back to this, going back to what ends up happening. So they moved to Missouri. And again, with Katrina hitting, everybody has this giving spirit. They end up getting a house free through Habitat for the man. with wheelchair ramps and everything like those are newsworthy right so the media starts paying attention to right in gypsy you know they it's like they film them walk into their new house or rolling to their new house like it's like it's a whole thing yeah love that shit it's like oh here's like a single

mom with a very very sick child who you know is is getting something in life they would constantly get free stuff so they would get friends who gets like disney to concerts she was one of the make-a-wish foundation kids so she would get like whatever she wanted from there at this point it seemed as though dee these expectations of their life experiences were basically entirely dependent on gypsy being so super sick like of course he's not super sick then we don't have this dope life so one thing to note at this point is gypsy has no idea how old she actually is oh my god like i mentioned her mom keeps down playing right so there's one story where her dad who like try to be involved actually again like

this guy's not a shithead yeah no totally he wanted to like call her and congratulate her on her 18th birthday and dv goes this is a quote she goes okay but don't tell her how old she is because she thinks she's 14 what crazy so that's where i would say that that isn't the greatest guy in the world was like come on you didn't think question that was us here like but he thought that she was sick too right like he believed her yeah he did he did yeah he was involved but not involved the extent of like i've been in the ER for the last eight weeks you know like it's like how can you doubt that how can you know is it is it genetic at all i don't know i don't know i just wonder if like he could have been like oh well maybe her family has it that's weird better well she she said yet she said

that um gypsy had like muscular dystrophy that she had cancer so she would um shave i was going to get this little later i'll bring up now she would shave her head it's awful yeah she would shave her head to make her seem like she had cancer and this i didn't actually write down the outline she had her um her saliva glands removed and so because of that yeah she had her saliva glands removed i forgot like who did this what doctor did this but like she had that done and apparently i don't know what the saliva glands do outside of generating saliva but apparently it has a pretty dramatic impact on the health and longevity of your teeth so her teeth literally all fell out because after she had her sled so she looked dude imagine this you're looking like a 14 year old girl bald head when you

lose your teeth you lose your face yeah yeah bald head no teeth it's just gum staring at you and it's like like of course she has leukemia of course she has whatever disease the mom says right like did she do that on purpose her teeth would fall out she didn't do it on purpose because the teeth would fall out what i read was that she would um apparently gypsy would like drool which like i don't i don't totally understand but apparently just who would drool and the mom was like over it and for some reason or somehow she convinced a doctor to remove her saliva gland or something like that has to be again that had to be like a procedure done in the philippines or something like I can't be like a...

That's so serious of a thing. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. No, she was horribly abused. Like, that's the thing that's like that precedes every discussion of what ends up

happening at Diti. He's like, she was a monster. I wonder, are you going to talk more about much in Chausen syndrome by proxy? No, I'm, you know what?

I probably should have done a bunch of research on that. But like, I got to the point where I like was like, I'm calling this the wrong thing. And that's basically it. So I, I wonder, I feel like most psychology is like new, you know, in the past like 100 years or 200 years or whatever.

I wonder how many times this has happened like in the history of the world where like a parent has been like, I need help because I have this child, whatever, you know, or like had a little bit of attention and then like continue to do it. Or like maybe they were like, oh, my baby died and I got a ton of attention. So they just like did it again, you know, stuff like that, I wonder. I'm sure it's happened before. this feels like an extreme version of that like it is but like i don't know if that is in the news every couple years someone kills their kid yeah yeah i can believe that having surgery like getting to the point where you do surgery and stuff is like kind of intense but oh yeah and that's 100 on the doctors that's 100% on the doctors 100% yeah totally agree like i don't know how you

convince the doctor to take the fucking saliva glands out of a child but that's crazy that was a reason why she lost her entire teeth. Again, I don't know what the dynamic is. I don't know why saliva glands, what that has to do with like teeth longevity, but she, that happened. Yeah. So, and you see the pictures. If you look at pictures of her, you can see she has. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was awful. Yeah. Like, I was, I was like, I wrote here. I was like, I was like, she gave birth to a perfect healthy baby and turn her into like this crazy disabled person through this treatment. And it's like, it's insane to how you can, how you can do that to someone. Yeah.

Yeah. And there was this one physician in Missouri who was like, ran blood tests on her. It was like her blood tests were all normal. We did ran tests on her standing up and her ambulatory skills and they're normal. She's normal. Like, there's nothing wrong with her mobility whatsoever. And that was the point when like everybody was like, she called her the doctor in Louisiana. It was like, yep, everything's normal.

And other doctors, like, stop it. like just drop it like just drop the topic this woman's a fucking pain in the ass like she'll never leave you alone if you don't drop this and he just dropped it which like again I'm over two minds of it as a professional like it's not my fight to win but it's like as a doctor isn't it kind of your fight to win I don't know it's 100% their fight to win that's their job yeah you know they took on that responsibility when they became a fucking doctor you know like you can have my job but no one's going to die if I don't do my job you know but if you have a job where someone's going to die if you don't do it then you need to fucking do it

you know what though taylor as famous podcasters don't you think that we save like one suicide a week by being dozens of lives have been saved by listening to this there you go dozens i mean just like regular lives like people were like what is my purpose and listen to this and they're like now i have a purpose i'm not sure how wide the the crown we wear is heavier than you think we're all five of you stop down playing it bless us bless you let's see five no no we're we're blown up we're gonna be famous um so going by the story gypsy eventually reached the age where she started having an interest in boys and wanted to do things other than just basically pretending to be an invalid her entire time and she had actually i'm sorry i don't know i don't think to yell about you say

reach the age like she doesn't even know how old she is so like she probably it happens right like it's No, I know, but I started liking girls. Like, I didn't know how old. I don't know how old. I was, it was just like one day you wake and like, oh, wow, like, that's cool. No, I'm thinking, what I'm thinking is like, how long was she going to pretend she was a teenager? Was she going to, like, keep moving and, like, pushing it back until she was, like, 30, you know? She actually faked her birth certificate, actually.

Like, she went over the top. Like, she literally went to the extent of faking her birth certificate to try and make her seem younger. That actually comes up here in a minute, like the fact that she did that. Like, yeah, I don't know what the game plan was. It feels like there's not a lot of strategy here, but it didn't work. Like, no matter what it was. But actually, Gypsy seems kind of cool. Like, this is the part where it's like not so sinister.

Like, she gets into comics and she goes to Comic-Con and she meets guys there and, like, this is all this stuff. And that's actually where it goes sideways. Her mom finds out that she's of this, like, hotel room with this guy at a Comic-Con. And she shows up and she brings a forged birth certificate that I think said she was like 15 or 14 or something along those lines and just shoved in this guy's face saying like hey you ever contacted her again and you're going to jail the rest of your life like this is going to be statutory rape situation like it was fake like she was 18 like she was an adult and the mom

fake this burst tip to get and back her back home so that was the ongoing thesis here is like her finding slivers of escape and then being drug back to this hellish existence it was after this situation that gypsy meets the other i'm going to call protagonist of the story who's a guy named nicholas go john they met online and they grew rather close with another close enough to where the two started discussing getting married at one point and they would eventually meet in person and kick off like a sexual relationship between the two of them apparently gypsy was like very self-aware what was going on in this situation so like she told uh nicholas what was happening with the mom. And this is when they started kind of plotting out how to

just get DD out of the equation, apparently. So part of this was we escape. The other part was we kill her. So it was like a balance of two ideas. And the idea was that we got to go with that we kill her situation because that's the only way to be truly free of this woman. It's like, again, I also want to kill her. I never met this woman in my life. I would gladly hold her head under water until she stopped breathing. Like she sounds like the worst human, like. I mean, at the very least, she should be in jail.

Like, she should not have a child. No, at the very least she should be dead. Admit you. No, I don't know. I agree with you. I think she's better off without her. You know, she's a terrible human being. I know this is a pattern for you.

But, um, but no, I think at the very least she should not have that child. Like, she should not be allowed to do it. Yeah. So gross. So by this point, Gypsy is like obviously fully aware that there's a life outside of what she's been experiencing. She's out with this like, I mean, good for her. Think up for the internet sometimes. Yeah, no kidding.

Sometimes fuck the internet, but sometimes good job internet. Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. And, you know, at this point, she'd been, because she understands. I mean, I know she doesn't know how old she is, but you get the like you don't vibe with like, I know I don't vibe with like a 15 year old. you don't mean like i don't need to you don't have to tell me i'm 38 like i know i don't there's a difference there right and so she understood that things weren't exactly what they were and she kind of evolved beyond it so i will say this i love what nicholas ended up doing to dd i think

it's awesome like i want to make christmas cards with him stabbing her to death and sent to all my friends and family but i also think it's a little fucked up because it's kind of like like you don't even know this woman in Yeah, it's his life, his life ruined, essentially. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, life in prison, first of remir, like, he's done, he's done for. But it's like, like, I love what he did, but I'm also like, man, you could also just tell her, like, hey, let's, like, go to Cancun. You know, like, it, like, wasn't his responsibility or job to do that. But, like, because so many people failed her, I feel like.

Yeah, all the doctors, doctors, psychologists, therapists. this. It's funny. It's funny you said that because the dad and the stepmom who was being poisoned consistently, when all this ends up happening, they were like, yeah, she deserved it. Like literally her dad and her stepmom were like, we're glad that she's dead. She deserved this. I mean, I have like family members who are annoying, but like I don't have anyone like deeply, deeply toxic. Like that's a whole different thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. well this all escalates in june of 2015 uh gypsy and nicholas start kind of putting their plan of how to extricate themselves under dd's grip in action gypsy basically lets nicholas in the house while dd is asleep she hands him a knife she hands him gloves she hands him duct tape like it was like a whole plan and the idea was for nicholas to kill dd like that's thing that's like interesting is like you go from this like extreme of like I'm a gooo gaga baby to like let's fucking kill the bitch like it's just so crazy how that

flip happens but I can imagine the rage has to be over the top I don't know what it's like my parents did not treat me like I was an invalid fucking half my age most my life but like I can imagine her so the rage has to be so real that makes you like think that way but um so Nicholas goes in the house and yeah the whole plan was Nicholas you do this you go you killed dd and yeah like it was it was a great outcome for everybody in the world nicholas ends up stabbing her 17 times in her bedroom until she dies which is fucking awesome like kudos to him um i don't want to be friends with him i don't want to have like a barbecue with him but like i'm gonna say again nicholas it's not a happy ending for him not totally not a happy ending for him

but he's also fucked up because who would do that that's true right so not like not everyone would just be Like, yeah, totally. It's like the whole, the joke that Juan laughed at that one time, you just trip over fucking scumbags every now and the way. It's like, I, I, how, this guy's just like randomly. I've met a lot of women. And any number of them could have asked me to kill somebody. I wouldn't have done it.

Like, it's so over the top extreme. That's true. But, uh, this happens. And then shortly afterwards, I mean, they spent a few days in hotels. And then they make their way up to where Nicholas lives up in Wisconsin. And during this time, uh, apparently, gypsy was logged into dd's facebook account it would post comments like as her and one of them was the bitch is dead like it's just like you're the worst criminal in the world you're the

worst criminal that's ever existed and she would just post this stuff and so people started being like what's going on like because see about everybody who knows it was like this sweet family of this invalid child and like now it's like just bitch is dead it's like what's like where do the right like who'd even say that say those words who would say that anyways much less like a child who's like an invalid at 12 years old so friends and neighbors started getting concerned they call the police police ended up searching the house and they found ddie's body yeah i wrote down how everybody when this happened was so concerned for gypsy because everybody in the town was like this poor kid has no options like whoever the fact that she's not here and the fact that her mom

is dead means that she is probably on her way to dying soon as well because she doesn't have have her medicine her air tanks were at home her wheelchairs like how did she get kidnapped yeah all of it oh totally and so everybody everybody's mostly just concerned about the kid uh one of the one of gypsy's friends who was in town and knew about nicholas mentioned that they were like kind of a thing and police sort of looking into him and they reached out to facebook and asked facebook to run IP traces on dd's facebook account and they ran the traces because the post were so unusual that like it obviously drew red flags and they were like these were all originating from Wisconsin and they knew that she was seeing a guy from Wisconsin so they're like oh this is

gypsy and they end up going to Wisconsin there they end up arresting them and it was obvious like these were not master criminals there were kids they were scared kids I is I know the crime sounds brutal but it's like they were just stupid kids like you know Nicholas is his kid gypsy was like more than a kid like i don't even know how to explain like she was like so stunted in her growth in her development like so so they immediately caved and admitted what they ended up doing everybody admits that the plan was for nicholas to go in the house it was unanimous like both nicholas and gypsy were like yep this was a plan like they all came together on that piece of it and they what i finally interested by this case was

that the prosecution could have pursued a death penalty So Missouri has the death penalty as an option, and this is going to be a first remarriage charge. They ended up deciding that they're not going to pursue. So, like, this is so weird. This is so beyond the pale of anything we've ever seen that, like, we can't, we can't do this. And so they thought it would be, like, an abnormal degree of punishment to pursue the death penalty, so they didn't. Regardless, Nicholas was ultimately found guilty, as I mentioned earlier, and he got life in prison, which, like, again, thank you. Nicholas for murdering this woman the world is better for you having done it and also just like

dude you could have just gone on to the next match on Tinder like you didn't the fact that you wanted to do this is like a little bit weird so you're not wrong I was writing if I if I met a girl on Bumble tomorrow who's like tell my mom would be like yeah maybe she would think about this a little bit yeah hopefully you would not do it how old is he when he did it I don't know I don't know what I don't know if you've, I mean, you do dumb things when you're young, but I also never killed anybody, so it doesn't count as my dumb things. You never killed anyone? No, no, never.

So the murder is not. Yeah. The murder was in 2015. How old is Nicholas? He's 33 now. So in 2015, how many years ago was that? That was eight years ago? Yeah, eight years ago.

So he's 33 now. So he would have been 25. All right. I mean, that's old enough to know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If he was like 15, you know, I'd be like, well, blah, blah.

I mean, again, it's complicated because like, yes, she needed to go. But also, no, you should not. Like, you should leave it to other people. You should never be the person who does it. Yeah, totally. Yeah. So, yeah, Nicholas ends up getting life in prison, which, like, sucks again. Gypsy

got off pretty light she ended up getting a secondary murder charge in 10 years in prison one of the things that Gypsy said I read this quote while she was incarcerated

she said I feel like I'm more free in prison than with than living with my mom because now I'm allowed to just live as a normal woman like she

let her just like walk around dude like she's she literally feels like prison is like freedom for her like that's so and like there was nothing

there was nothing in her experience that would make her feel like there was someone for her to go because like there were adults around her all the fucking time and no one did anything you know whether or not they were like afraid of dd or believe dd or like didn't want to intrude or like just wanted to not deal with her like whatever but like dozens dozens of capable adults were around her and didn't help her she can couldn't get a big whatever i think like i think like a i don't think gypsy should have gotten any gel time and i don't think

Nicholas should have either, but I also don't want Nicholas to be my neighbor, because if I sneeze the wrong way, he might fucking kill me too. Like, he just, he just seems really easygoing with the stabbing people to death piece, but like, I, it's just like, as a society, we should decide who we put into a forest and we all hunt. Indeed, he was one of those people that should have been like the running man that we just put into a forest and we all just pursuing to try and kill. That is not, um, not the moral of the running man. Just, I want to. Did I get the wrong? Did I get the wrong movie?

Yes. No, no. That is the running man. But I'm saying that the moral of the running man is not we should put someone out and all everyone to hunt them together. The moral of that is that it's bad. In this case, it's not that bad. Like, in this case, can we make a pass for this case? I actually just read the running man for the first time.

This case and that other guy that I talked about, those three can go into the run. this is becoming a pattern for you um so yeah gypsy ends up getting 10 years on second recharges uh and you know what's funny is like she actually ended up getting married last year so in june of 2022 she ended up getting married to some random guy so the guy that killed the mom man this is what guys men especially younger men if you're listening to me never do a thing for women that could impact your life because it will Like, they will move on and you will be stuck with it. This guy killed a woman for the girl he loved and that he's in jail for the rest of his life and she's married to someone else.

Like, just don't do it. Just don't do it. You disagree with me. I don't know. I just feel like you're being a little toxic masculinity right there because, like, you can do stuff for other people, but don't break the law for someone. How's that? Yeah, that's a good middle. That's good middle ground.

Yeah. That's not toxic masculinity. That's more like just like... I don't know, but I feel like you're like, oh, for like validation and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, he's, yes, yes, his life is ruined. A lot of lives are ruined, but not gypsies. Her life is better. But that's my point is that his life is ruined.

I know. And her life isn't. I know. But he did it for her. So like... Well, I'm just think just like, think twice. And I don't say never to do something for someone. Don't do now.

Yeah. That's extreme. Not never. but like if it gets the point when a girl is handing you a knife at midnight as she unlocks a door to her mom's bedroom yes think twice just think she will marry another man and you will be in jail for the rest of your life like that's what I'm saying it's 100% true yes um so yeah that was that's basically how this ran she's still in jail obviously he's in jail for the rest of his life like he's not going to get on any time soon uh this happened in 2015

so in theory she will have served her entire sentence and be released in about two years she might get off a little bit early she might be getting off like in the next like a year but that's gypsy's story and like i said i definitely am the world is a better place because dd is dead and that's hard to say but i truly think that yeah she just did a lot of bad things awful human built non-profits out of god knows how much money built oh totally i forgot about that too yeah we're could want to help someone else. Dude, took a home out of Habitat which could have gone to like

somebody you actually needed a home. Like she was a scumbag. Like she was just garbage wrapped in skin like through and through. But anyways, she's dead. Thank God. Thanks, Nicholas. Hope you're listening.

Yeah, if you're listening right to us, tell our agent. Oh my gosh, so funny. So, that is, yeah, that is my story. And I wish I had, Taylor, like, as you mentioned it, like, I wish I had looked up because at the very end of this, I was like, the ultimate cause of deedy's behavior is, and I looked it up, and it's Munchausen syndrome by proxy, which I earlier called Munchausen proxy by whatever. But I, but I didn't go into the weeds of researching what actually was or how many

instances of there, of it there was. but that would be, yeah, that could be an interesting second part of this. Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot more. So what do you have going on, Taylor? We're going to drink Jesus's blood. Yes, in the goblet. Anyway, this is only take like this, but anyway, this is about Catholics. That's our drinking that one.

Good, yeah, I love it. I went, the wedding I went to and I went to and I went to, and I one was Catholic. Oh. Oh, yeah, obviously, I guess. Well, first, I wanted to tell you that I've been working on this outline for, like, days, and it's just, it's whatever. And I was, like, writing it last night and my mom and my sister are here. Do you remember, like, several episodes ago when you said that lights out was one of the scariest movies you've ever seen? So scary.

So I've never seen it. And so Juan was like, we have to see it because he really wanted us to get scared, you know? So he was like talking about it. Then my mom and my sister are so funny. And they're always like, oh, we've seen every movie. we can't be we don't want to see anything again so Friday night they were like oh we've seen it we don't want to see it again and we're like okay and then last night they were like oh no we're not sure if we've seen it or not I'm like oh my god we should just watch it so watch it

it was super fun it was so scary five minutes in I was like I had already screamed and my mom my sister wouldn't stop talking because he kept being like I remember this I remember this oh I don't remember this part like just talking the entire time which like made it more fun but it was it was a good one I jumped a lot so I feel like I don't do that very often do you think it was one of the scary movies you've seen i think so it was like it was very scary yeah yeah i tried watching it again maybe like a month and a half ago and i couldn't do it i got like maybe like i got i finished the warehouse scene it was like i'm done i'm good i'm that that's that's the beginning and like the very first thing that happens i screamed really loud yeah i couldn't do it which was very

fun um so thank you for that recommendation i just want to tell you that yeah um So we are, okay, so we're drinking Jesus's blood today because we're talking about Catholics, and I'm breaking the rules again because there are no rules. But I am going to talk to you about a winner, not a loser, who is the most celebrated warrior in all of Czech history. So he's like, they call him the Czech Braveheart, like the best warrior in all the Czech Republic. His name is Jan Ziska. So I'm of Czech origin My brother, Kincaid City abroad in Prague

And we went to like a little town That we're from right outside of Prague And it was super fun We like saw where my great-great-grandparents were born And things like that My mom's side, my grandma spoke Bohemian So like from this area Like for like generations back

So I definitely wanted to go back And think more about like my people And I got here because I was home alone a while ago There's a movie on Hulu That's just called like It's just called Midday evil like the word i'm like what does i what could that possibly mean so i watched it and then i was like what the fuck did i just watch like i just i was like this was something was weird like something was

off the guy who plays um jan jiska is and i'm saying jiska i think it's z i ska with a bunch of accents in different places um and he was played by ben foster do you know what ben foster is no but i'm going to go he was on um the um the Disney show flash forward when he was little and then he inexplicably dated Robin Wright for a while and then now he's married to Laura Preppin the girl from um orange is a new black in that 70 show I do know this guy I do know this guy he was yeah he was in um he was in one of my favorite movies actually which movie I'm looking it up right now because I'm trying to remember the name of it I think it's called the apprentice or something along those lines

He plays Jan in the film and he looks like very rugged, like he has like a beard and everything, so I didn't really recognize him until later. Michael Kane is in it as well. So it does have some like famous people in it. But when I was watching it, I was like, something's off. Like, what is this. And it is straight up Czech Republic propaganda is what this film is. Do we dislike that though? No, I like it. But it was just like that, that's the weird thing. Because you're like, this feels weird. It's a Czech movie. It's the most expensive movie ever made in the Czech Republic. And it's 100% English because it like they wanted to share it with the world which is like fine I listened to a podcast about the making of the movie and the dudes who were in it were like yeah this is something we learn about in school who wanted to share it with the world because what they learn about when they're little they learn about yandjiska and how like brave he was so they also have a lot of it like a lot of stuff in the film is made up because they don't know a lot this is the 1300s so it's a really long time ago they don't know what really happened a lot of the things are like whatever but they when they were making the movie they had a historian and the historian kind of like read through everything and watched the finals and they were like could this have happened like we're not saying it did happen but we don't want to like have a car drive by you know or something that we know like could these things have happened and then all of it was like yes like it could be could it could have been so do you know what's funny taylor is i did the research for um because i thought i i keep mixing up ireland and scotland so when i was in ireland i did the research for braveheart and william wallis

And I was like, A, it's Scotland, not Ireland. And he was in Scotland, not Ireland. And B, it is considered the most historically inaccurate movie that has ever been made. Like, it's crazy. Like, it's like, there's like, they're like, nothing about this is close to William Wallace's actual life or his activities. I believe that. We're not separating the art from the artist on Mel Gibson. Right.

Yeah. Yeah, we've been, yeah, let's see. So, anyway, so you should watch it. It's super fun. So this is essentially, like, listen to the podcast about this. I read a book about Janjiska, and basically this is a relationship between the Czech people who were having their own Protestant Reformation and the Catholic Church. So it's basically like there's going to be crusades.

There's going to be tons of wars. So the Czech people were following, some people were kind of pulling away. from the Catholic Church and following a man, another Jan, a Jan Hussein, and he was like the Czech Martin Luther. So they were like Hussein. So basically like the thing with Martin Luther and with the reformations is that the Catholic Church was like, you could sell your way into heaven, you could buy your way into heaven. So you would go to church and you would give them money and like jewels. Are they like you're going to go to heaven? It's like, obviously it's not true, but like people thought it was true and they were mad about it. Like. Yeah. It seems cheap.

It seems like a cheap way to get into heaven. Exactly. Like, it's cheating. Like, it's not how you can do it. So here's what's happening in the Catholic Church. This is very confusing. So we're in, like, the early 1400s, starting in 1378, it starts to be a crazy thing called the Western Schism in the Catholic Church where there are, all of a sudden, there are three

popes. I mean, live in different places. And they're each like, I'm the Pope, but you don't know, like, which one is a real one. And there's a lot of that kind of at the same time. So the red flag I put is. As soon as the Catholic Church started to have this schism and have more than one Pope, you should run. Because Catholic Church is already awful, and now they have, like, more popes. So, like, that's a red flag.

Dude, I do kind of love it, though. It's a disaster. I'm the Pope. Like, who are you to say I'm not the Pope? And I'm, like, I know I could, like, I could research us for, like, my whole life, but essentially, yes. Like, well, I think I should be the Pope. Like, what? You just, like, bought a white hat?

And you're like, pretty sure it should be me, guys. so yeah we'll talk more about the different posts but there's a bunch of them but yon himself was born in 1360 probably um again like it's hard to go back but his name is on some property documents it starts to kind of come up in like legal things around 1378 when he would have been 18 so it's assumed that like that was when he like was able to do those things even in that time so it could be him i think that's him it's a chance that he's younger and born later but like we'll never know but one thing we do know about yon is that he lost an eye when he was a child it could have been any number of fucking dangerous things in the 1300s you know like walking outside you can lose your eye i imagine you know like there's just you get like a splinter in your eye it's gone like there's so many things get a splinter in your eye that sounds you know what i mean like awful and like yeah so i can't imagine how like gross and smelly and dangerous everything's was especially for a child so like i feel like having a child lose an eye is not a big deal because like at least your child survived because there's so many things going on i think it might have been the last podcast but i read somewhere

where it was like, if you're alive in the Middle Ages, you're disfigured. Because it was, it was their flag? Was it them? Yeah, because like... It was a black plague one. Yes. Because like, no matter what, like, you know, if you break your arm, your arm's not, like, going to be set correctly ever again, you know?

So, like, most people are disfigured in some way, and his way was he only had one eye. That's so crazy. It's so true. Also, oh, also in the movie, in the medieval movie, there's a woman who's, like, helping him. She's like a princess, but there was really no woman, like, like, that involved in the story but he did have two wives both him katherine but they both passed away kind of early so he didn't he is able to kind of go off and be a warrior and not worry about anything at home so it sounds like his family got into he was kind of born into the minor nobility so he

wasn't like well i'm just going to say he wasn't dirt poor but everybody was dirt poor but he was like he was like minor nobility um it sounds like his dad had to um like sell some of their property like something happened. He was in debt for some reason. He became a gamekeeper for like the local ruler and there's a chance that Jan worked there with his dad. But he ended up becoming like a bandit. So after like his, at least his first wife died, he may be married to the second wife. It's like the late 1300s and him and his group, he's not the leader, but he's in a group of dudes and they go around and they rob if they plunder or they make deals with like different little towns. They're like, oh, we'll protect you if they give us money, things like that. So he was like,

like just like a bandit out in the woods he is out there things are like kind of happening but nothing super crazy and then all of a sudden we have the western schisms or the catholic church is going crazy and that kind of like starts off the hussite wars because one of the popes declares a crusade on the hussites who are in like the Czech bohemia area trying to have this reformation so is a crusade in this context just a bunch of religious people who follow the pope as a general basically yeah i mean he doesn't actually go no no no no yeah yeah yeah no no no no no no no no no no no he's not gonna spill his wine on his way you know out into battle but yes he could be like like i send a crusade to you

so he sends a crusade of his like i don't talk a little bit about the titanic knights in a second but essentially they're like the evil evil i think is fair catholic knights that just like you know they were the ones who did the crusades and kill us just no people for like no reason yeah yeah Fair enough. I'll agree with you on. So the Holy Roman Empire at this time is like all of Europe. And so Jan Jiska is kind of a bandit kind of fighting for like the people. And then there's Jan Hus who's like the Martin Luther of the time.

In 1415, Jan Hus, the religious leader, was burned at the stake by the Catholic Church. And that surprisingly didn't stop everybody from believing him. it made everybody mad because that's you know riled people up young news was not a pope type he was just like some guy part of the catholic church said we got to kill you yes yes he was like he was like martin luther so he was like let's bring a religion back to the people and not have all these like ways you can buy our way into heaven or everything so yeah no he's burned to the stake so that triggered a revolt among the hussites and they wanted to you know start to fight so here are some of the

Pope stories. This is very confusing. So I'm sorry. So the first division, the Western schism that lasted from 1378 to 1417 that I've talked about, there was Pope Urban, the 11th, or no, the 6th, who resided in Rome, and Pope Clement, the 7th, who was in Avignon, France. So there's one in France and one in Rome, and there's a third one somewhere too. Alexander, it's Alexander the fifth. He was elected in like a compromise, but he died. And then his successor, John the 23rd was the third pope. So the third pope, John the 23rd, his real name was Baldassaricosa. He was born in 1370 in Naples.

I just think that's a dope name. Baldassaricosa from Napoli. That guy, that guy just can, his blood is wine. Exactly, exactly. So the popes that aren't like the real pope once they like, everything, all the dust settled and moved back there were the ones that weren't actually like the real one after all are called anti-popes which is also a cool name some of them are anti-popes that's cool them being called a pope yeah I think so too um so I think we could do but we could do an episode on every pope and all like

this shit that they did like so many of them did so many bad things but I just also wanted to mention that there is there actually was a more recent pope John the 23rd this was in the 1960s and he was born Angelo Giuseppe Roncali also Italian And Pope John Paul The one that we grew up with No No this is one before that

This is the one from the 58 to 63 But I think this is the one Who So this That one in It was like in our parents' lifetime And he picked his name John the 23rd

As a tribute to The first John the 23rd The one during this In like the 1400s But he's the one that did this stuff Like we don't need to have mass always be in Latin like Mass was in Latin until like

1960. Well they wanted that right because that made them seem like you had to go to them for salvation. Yeah, that's the exact thing that like Jan Husse was against and Martin Luther was against 500 years in the past, you know? They're like yeah, make it accessible to people. And then they

like, you know, we'll go crazy with it. Anyway, and dun dun, antipops. So all that stuff is happening in the Catholic Church. In the meantime, you know, This is a hard time to, like, get a lot of information about because it's, you know, it's 1400. There's not a lot of information during this time. It's like the Dark Ages, quote, unquote.

You're not supposed to say that anymore. But really? Yeah, because it, like, implies that nothing was happening. And it also implies that, like, other parts of the world also weren't great, which is not true. Because there was, like, there were, like, revolutions and cool things happening in, like, Asia and, like, other parts of the world. So, anyway, it's this time. In Berlin is about a century and a half after this. so now we have a crusade pope john the 23rd declared a crusade against hussites and so now they're heading towards yon jiska and his people in like bohemia chak republic area the first big battle that yon was a part of is the battle of grueld it was also known as the battle of tannberg it was on july 15 1410 and it was like the beginning of of the crusades so it began it was between like poland and lithuania and one of

side and the titanic knights on the other so the pope had sent the teutonic knights to do this so they're an order a military order of knights that have been active since the 13th century but really i think since the 11th century until now they still exist as like a thing they had a big the battle of grunwald was you know a big battle the titanic knights had a much bigger calvary they had a lot more people and they went and invaded and they lost so in poland and lithuania in that area right right now it's a symbol it's like a national pride they're like really excited that that they beat the detonic nights and yon jishko was there he probably you know he wasn't like a leader but he was probably most likely there so then there's a whole bunch of other battles that that

yan jishka is involved in he starts to kind of move up and become a leader um he ends up getting like enough you know plunder and money and all these things he has a castle but only has one castle he doesn't like go crazy with it he's just like really wants to be out there on the field like with the men fighting. He's modest. You know, a modest castle. Nobody too. Right.

Nobody do. On, in 1419, there's an early battle of the Hussai Wars at Zichka against, he defended the town of Soudomer against like an army. And he used a thing called a wagon fortress. So he, like I said, like never lost a battle. And one of the things that is because he had a bunch of new military ideas had never been done before. So one of the things is a wagon fort.

So in Czech or German, they call it a Wagenberg and German. But it's like essentially a fortification made out of the wagon. So he would like like circling your wagons, but like very seriously and like chaining them together so that you basically made a wall that people weren't able to get past. So in front of the wall would be a ditch. So people would like come like running towards the carts and towards the wagons. Then they would like fall into the ditch and they had like that to deal with. And then behind those, the wagons,

would be more people that you didn't see coming okay so it was like a way yeah so it was a way to like surprise people they hadn't been done before they also attacked at night which was like very very uncommon i know that's even something that we hear from like the revolutionary war is that someone attacked at night and no one ever imagined anyone would do that because it's fucking dark that happened in texas that was how texans got back at mexico for the alma yep just do it at night and no one will no one ever expects it he also this is also the beginning of like gunpowder weapon happens. So Ishishka was one of like the first people to use gunpowder like in battle. He would put cannons on wagons and like move them around the battlefield and that had never been

done before. So it was like the first like mobile artillery essentially. It also, the checks at this time called, this is just from Wikipedia, but they called the handgun a pistalia and their anti-infantry field guns halfnice, which are where we get the words pistol and howitzer. So they were like the first people to do that um yeah so you would yeah you would like be able to shoot out of the wagonberg and like out of the wagons and like different ways it just like hadn't been before and that's where they kept winning all of these different all these different things so in later in the year of 1420 there's another battle in the it's called the rabbi castle and during that during that battle he loses another eye Jesus so now he's totally blind

and he has someone like just like kind of help him like maneuver and get around but he still commands the troops and he's still like very active in the military even though now he's completely blind i mean obviously he's not fighting he's devising strategy but like yeah but he's like there he's not there you know like pope isn't there but he's definitely there there was a uh he was during this time like he's also fighting like the talk knights and the pope and then also just like the regular military not military but like royalty nobility people who want to be charge. So one of them is like a King Sigismund. They go back and forth a lot and get in a lot of like, you know, a lot of different like battles. There's a bunch of battles like on with against King Sigismund who was actually the Holy Roman Emperor, actually. They defended a fortified position near Prague. They, you know, that was another victory there. And then he fought against the Crusaders using the Wagenberg. He fought against them in in Germany's, in Mecky Broad area, and it's like kind of like battle after battle of him, like even after he's

completely blind, like still continuing to win, which is why he continues to be like a Czech hero and in like Czech history. So besides all of that, he ended up, you know, fighting and like being a part of it. Up until his death, he died in 1424, so it would have been about 60. They actually didn't die of in battle or anything. He died of a disease. They said that he died of the plague, but now people are rethinking it and we'll never fucking know but it said it's kind of more like maybe like a sepsis like an infection also because like everyone had like blistering wounds all the time anyway yeah make sense it was dirty and taylor i miss this part was he fighting the catholic churches yes he's fighting this point he was yeah yeah he was fighting the tautonic knights

that the pope had sent the crusade like against them so they were fighting that and then eventually they were like fighting with like the nobility in the area just for like the common person just for like the regular person to be able to like you know understand the Bible it's you know he's very religious like you know do it their own way and then also be able to you know just to be able to like him were freedom than the Catholic Church had given them so that was like the main thing and then it was him as like a leader of the hussites who were following yonhoo's from like them in the beginning and so he afterwards so they had kind of right before just kind of just kind of died they tried to like invade hungry to like get morally in but like that didn't work they didn't even really do it they just kind of like went in it wasn't going to work and then went back and then after he died the same thing happened that always fucking happens when like a big a strong leader leaves as they had a civil war within themselves within the hussites you know so it was internal divisions some people were moderate some people more radical some people wanted to go back to the catholic church others didn't and then so they ended up like negotiating with

the pope and with the Catholic Church via the compact of Prague which was signed in 1433 so it was kind of like a half and half and then it continued to like just have battles and then people weren't really in the anymore and then so eventually it totally was by the end of the 15th century so the end of the 1400s it was over and they were just dissolved back into the Catholic church for you know whatever Pope happened to be around so the revolution lasted like a hundred years and it didn't actually ultimately ultimately achieve its goal. going back to brave art he also didn't accomplish the goal because scotland is still part of the UK I don't know I'm laughing but yes but if anything it's like it's like Ireland is the one you

should be like respecting Ireland is the one North Island is part of England but like the Republic of Ireland the South part that's like they actually successfully succeeded from the Union or whatever the kingdom which sounds like that didn't happen here either yeah weird weird how we Is that? I know. Well, it's bravery. Whether you win or lose, it's still bravery. Yeah, and it's exciting to, like, you know, I mean, it's exciting to think about a knight

and to think about, like, all these, like, you know, ancient battles are fun to think about, medieval battles are fun to think about. You know, you're like, logistics are so crazy. Like, I mean, I guess also talk about Dan Carlin and he talks about, like, a medieval battle and, like, an ancient battle, like, it's miles long of wagons of people, you know? And he's like, oh, you know, this guy brought like 5,000 people. I'm like, what the fuck should you get 5,000 people to follow you somewhere? Like, you know, and like, bring your stuff.

We're walking. You know, like, I don't know, man. I think I could get like at least four people to go to battle with me. I was going to say, I wish I could get more than 10 people within this podcast. They're not following me across Europe. We're crushing it. Once we do get one in 10 people, that's when. That's when it starts.

That's when they have to... It's like a snowball. They're like, oh, why are those people standing in line? Oh, they're going to fight the Catholic nights. I think we'll win. I don't know. But yeah, it's crazy. You're like, okay, like 5,000 people were going on a walk.

You need 10,000 shoes. Too much. When you start doing logistics, you're like, man, I'm just going to stay at home. Exactly. Be whatever you want to be. You want to be Catholic, be Catholic because of shit. You're going to have to stop and pee because. I don't have time to stop and pee every five seconds for all five thousand of you.

Dude, Taylor, our Pope, the Pope of our childhood, he was born in Krakow in Poland. Yeah. Pope John Paul II. Yeah. And then there was a, the one now is Italian or Brazilian? It's something South American. Argentinian. Argentina.

Yeah. Francis. Who seems kind of cool, who actually, like I think is kind of cool. It was better than that child molester they put. put in place benedict or was he a nazi i don't remember if he was a chinese he was a nazi i'm sorry i don't i'm sorry for besmirching him by calling him a pedophile he was just a nazi uh yeah no the tablet church is chalk full of pitos and also those yeah yes yes that's her man this guy looks so scary benedict looked really scary john paul looked like a sweet old man but benedict actually looked kind

of scary. I'm on his profile now. Joseph Alosius Ratzinger, like the most German dude in the world. Like, of course he was a nod. He was born in 1920. I don't even blame him. He was a He was a young. He was a kid. Yeah, he was a kid born like 20 years before the end of the World War II. Like, of course he was 18 when World War II ended. So like, yeah, like he obviously was like, have to protect the homeland from everybody else i don't know but you know it's one of those things where it's like yeah i get it and also it's still wrong like don't be a nazi but i get why you were but just also it's still wrong yeah if you see someone being a nazi you should

stand up and say hey man don't be nazi i have a i have a biden harris sticker on my car and i called it a profile and courage because i'm going to drive through the small town with my Biden sticker on my guard. Hey, what do you think is going to happen? Do you think that Biden's going to get through the primary? Because I think that he's going to get challenged. Like, I mean, Bobby Kennedy Jr. is going to challenge him. But like, man, that is tough to see Biden doing like a debate against like a primary

challenger. Like, if he actually, we get like a good Democratic candidate up there, like you'll be tough for Biden, I think. I think, no, I don't think so. We don't really do that. No. I mean, we don't. Republicans do that, but Democrats don't really do that.

I think Bobby Kennedy's going to try. Well, yeah, but he's a piece of crap. I've talked about that before. Didn't, did it? Taylor, didn't he not announce when somebody went and posted on our Facebook page about Bobby Kennedy? He hadn't announced yet, had he? No, he hadn't. And then, because I just talked about, I was posting about how he sucks.

And someone was like, he's a great Democrat. I'm like, no, he's not. He's a fucking vaccine denier piece of crap. I it's seriously theorists dude it's gonna be interesting because like because that's my take on it too I'm like there's no chance this guy gets more than 20 feet through the primary without getting just bashed over the skull with his anti-vax stuff and then I was like dude I thought the same thing about Trump I literally said the exact same stuff about Trump but it's different it's just different like I just I feel like it's well no okay maybe I'm wrong because I think that's

that Trump does is it validates people's hate and their stupidity. So if you're a Democrat, you're looking for someone to validate your stupidity, Bobby Kennedy is your guy. Yeah. You know? Yeah, he's just like, he might hit that, he might scratch a very specific

itch. And who knows what happens, right? Who knows what the Republicans do, which ends of taking swing voters to one side of the other? There's so much to be defined yet, but it's, um... How can you be a fucking swing voter? I don't know. I, dude, God, it was like, was it Bill Maher who was like, if you were undecided, you must have like a brain tumor, like there's, remember this? There's like the 2016 election was like, how do you go to the last like two weeks of the election?

And those are the people who make the, who matter decisions. Yeah, that big all decisions. It's just like the, the least informed of all of us to find all of our futures. Is that crazy? yeah and during like during all these things are just people like trying to survive you know and then you can so you can be like I don't know I don't I don't care about it doesn't affect me but like it does so that's why you have to care about it but also just try to live your life I don't know I can see our next podcast being political

should we battle should we just have like a battle it out on like a field and everybody gets to wear armor um go gun I think that's called the Civil War just really oh it is oh no I think you're advocating for civil war I backed into that one yeah it happens it happens well oh my god so my aunt and uncle are traveling through the country right now I just went to Gettysburg and we have like a great great great great great great grandfather who died there on the

bad side he was bad and which is terrible and like I feel gross about it but um there's like a tavern that our family used to own like some gravestones and like plaques be like oh the family was like like a big family there in that area which is cool it's cool to like know that about them but then my aunt was saying that the bones of the confederate soldiers were like my great great great whatever grandpa's bones would have been in that pile in the 1960s a bunch of like women like raised money in virginia to have been taken back to virginia and I'm like those fucking racist bitches in 1960 being like this is we're going to spend our money on let's dig up these confederate soldiers and bring their bones back south that's what you know

have anything else going on right you have nothing like they should have raised a child into thinking that they have leukemia like that would have given them a life more purpose but like i know that's part of me like i also buy into the whole we are a product of the time we're born into and also like there's got to be a cutoff like if you think owning people is good that has to be the cutoff point like that there's there's a ruby kind of can't cross and that's probably the one that's exactly exactly like you're you're you can't be smart and also think that's okay you can't be both which like again ratzinger this fucking guy like why again i understand it right you're raising the time but also

i don't know maybe the germans didn't know what what hitler was doing to the jews maybe like they thought like oh we're just trying to support our own nation like i don't maybe like it was okay being a nazi back then because you didn't didn't know what they were doing. I don't know. I think you knew what you wanted to know, you know. Yeah. You know, like in now and then in all these cases, like you know what you, what you need to

know to survive and whether that's like, okay, I need to like, fuck yeah, I'm going to finally have permission to be an asshole. So I'm going to do it. Or you're like, I'm going to ignore it because I'm busy with my life. And then all of a sudden, it's so many bad things have happened and you've, you've let them happen. Yeah. that's good point i like that like that's that framing on it thank god we're not going to be like that

taylor i mean you i was just going to say we're all complicit in the shit show we're living in right now but you say the opposite so i've done nothing wrong to anybody ever i'm just trying to survive but um but yeah i wanted i want to know more medieval stories i think it's super fun a medieval battle sounds dope as hell in real scary and scary as shit is those titanic nights coming at you it's like all they were like the white robes with like a big like red cross on it you know or like a big black cross and they're just like coming to kill you they didn't do it ben foster the movie i was thinking about was alpha dog remember that one i don't know we see Justin Timberlake was in it um Ben Foster played a Jewish neo-nazzi

which was incredible and Justin Timberlake and his friends kidnapped Ben Foster's stepbrother and like that's how they all kind of got tied in together because Ben Foster owed him drug money huh never seen it no there's definitely a product of its time though I'm watching the trailer no it's a good one it's actually a true story

like it actually legitimately happened Bruce Willis is in it yeah Bruce Wilson is in it Sharon Stone is in it Justin Timberlake there's two really famous actors who one of them end up dying Oh, Anton Yeltsin, the guy who died in the little thing. That was terrible. Yes, his Jeep crushed him. Oh, an awful way to die.

But he was in it. He was the kid who ends up getting killed in real life, too. It's a good watch. It's a really good watch, especially when you know it's a true story. You're like, and like, they actually stayed super close to the source. So, like, it's actually how it went down. Like, they literally were like, we now are in too deep and have no idea how to extricate ourselves from this situation.

We have no choice but to kill this kid. like that's actually what ended up happening like they didn't want to kill him you know like we have we went too far we have no choice it's fucking crazy yeah that's crazy that's crazy that's crazy I don't feel you have a lot of morals of this story today don't be a Nazi and don't be a pope you know what if you can prevent being if somebody ever asked you to be a pope or to create a papacy at home don't do it I don't know I think it's kind of fun or or call it Or do it and call yourself an anti-pop, which is like a dope-ass thing to call yourself. Exactly.

I'd be like, let's bring the jewels to me instead, y'all. I'll get you into heaven. Yeah. I'll write your receipt. And, yeah, 100% anti-pop. Start your own church then. Go all the way. Why not?

It doesn't could, nothing could possibly go wrong. You'll be fine. What are you doing the rest of the night? Oh, my God. We're going to watch Succession. don't tell me have you watched it don't tell me anything no i don't watch succession okay today's the last episode today's last episode and so i'm very excited slash nervous slash all the things and i'm wait i'm on my phone i have to like stop talking to you because i cannot be on my computer

for the next hour and a half because i don't want to accidentally see something okay yeah fair enough people on east coast have seen it and i just can't so um but yeah i'm very excited cool it's fun i'm going to go smoke a cigar and play fetch with luna I had a dream that I bought a pack of Marlboro Reds, which is like not what I would buy if I was buying cigarettes, but I was like real excited about it. Taylor, I don't like smoke cigarettes, but I would definitely, if you come here next time and we like get drunk, we will definitely get a pack of cigarettes. 100% no, I can't because I would be a smoker. But if we ever are like, no, but once, if you did it. No, no, I know, I know.

It's so fun, though. It's so fun. I know. That's why I dream about it and I know I can't do it. But if forever like the, the world's definitely going to end in five years, then I'm smoking like immediately. going to go buy 10 cases of cigarettes so well i'm not wrong right so like spoking's fun it's the best it's so fun i love it yeah so when i was in when i was in ireland i took this one or um somebody i forgot who it was i'm gonna john who took a picture of me and i was in my three-piece suit with my pocket

watch and i had my leg up and i was like smoking a cigarette and i looked so cool it makes you so cool So cool. And I was just like, I can never use this picture anywhere. Like I can't use it on social media, on professional social media. I can't use it on dating apps, like nothing. But it's like the coolest picture of me that's ever been, I'm going to text to you. Yeah, I want to say it was going to say it was to me. No, I remember, can I smoke cigarettes for a long time? And then when Juan and I were dating, first starting to date, I did. And then he was like, we would never have found each other on dating apps because you would have said you smoked and I would have smoked. And I was like, I would have lied. What are you talking about? Yeah. Yeah. Who, who actually is themselves on a dating app? I like, I never been on one, but I'm pretty sure I would have lied about being a smoker. Okay, Taylor, did you get my text messages? Come on. Oh, my God. I'm sorry. dude look at those boots look at the boots like it is the coolest shit dude i got the beads i got the pocket wash the three-pieceer like it it is it's on point and i can't use it anywhere such a waste i know i know well i mean yeah i wish that there was more researchers of making cigarettes not kill you because i would love to start smoking again

i mean if this podcast doesn't take off i can be our get rich plan is safe smoking i'm sure they would have done it if they could all those people who smoke jewel pods whose lungs are falling apart right now so uh this like i said i think this will kill you like this is so much worse i'm smoking a cigarette i can feel it like killing me right now yeah those are what way worse way worse way worse um okay taylor i'm gonna go ahead and put this off wait wait no no everybody please like and subscribe and share we haven't already and if you like hey also a question if you don't know us can you say hi because i'm like why would someone who doesn't know us listen to this so please let us know

if you don't if you do not know either of us personally listen to more than one i'd love to know why please give me an email doomed to fail pod at gmail dot com taylor needs this please i really need this i'm literally going to go create seven fake email accounts and email you from each one of them you're gonna catfish me and be like i'm the catfish you we have so many fans um we have to we're getting so many downloads every week like those are not our friends those are not our family like nobody has family or friends are that loyal consistently so it's working something's happening something's happening but it needs to happen more of because I need to retire.

Anyways, I'm going to go ahead and cut this off. Thank you. Thank you, Taylor. Let's see. Where's the damn thing?