Doomed to Fail - Ep 226: Deadliest Mutiny Ever - Batavia

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

Man we love a good mutiny! This, however, is a bad one. The deadliest one in history! It's 1628, and the Dutch East India Company is up to no good... We'll talk about the syphilis-addled brain of Jeronimus Cornelisz, who staged a mutiny, killed a TON of people, and ultimately was executed for all the wildly unnecessary shenanigans. Grab a Dramamine and join us!  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

It's a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. There we go. Hey, Taylor, how are you? Good. Good, good. I did get a new computer, but it's obviously not this one because this computer is still being an asshole. But I got a new work computer. So at least at work, people can see me and hear me at the same time. It works good enough. I mean, it's a little pixelated. whatever it's doing the job um how was your weekend really really nice my in-laws are here we went to yesterday we went to a thing called the integratron which is like a big sound bath here in joshua tree land

which is cool and today we took there's a tram in palm springs that goes up the mountain we've never done and we got up there and there was like a foot of snow oh super fun so we had like so we played around in the snow for a little bit we had a nice lunch and yeah it was good how high up were you 8,000 and something feet In Joshua tree Yeah, well I mean we have mountain I'm like I'm like 5,000 feet now I guess that's true

I'm thinking back to like that golf course And there were mountains behind it That does track okay Yeah yeah we're in the mountains where we are a bunch of valleys So Yeah You must have really good lung capacity if you live at 5,000 elevation I honestly must

You must It says, well, yeah, I think, because I'm pretty high up this hill also. So I think I'm like 5,000 feet in my, in my house. All right. Good for you. That is, that's really fun. The thought of snow seems very alien informed to me right now. I know, it's cool because, like, you know, it's 30 degree difference between the bottom of the mountain and the top.

So it was fun. Because, like, we had a lot of rain. And Friday, it was like living in a cloud. You couldn't see 10 feet out of the house. You know, like, it was just. just like and I had drive the kids to their music classes and like you really couldn't see anything driving on the street. It was crazy. But because of that, like it was a lot of rain up here, but then it was a lot of snow up there. Also, Benjamin Franklin's ghost is officially hibernating and I miss him so

much. Do you check on him? I do. I have a little thermometer in there that I check on my phone and then I go in there and I touch his head and he moves his head like, you know, like he doesn't want me to do that. Yeah, yeah. But I need insurance that he's alive. And then when do we see him again? Like March, She'll start scratching around, and then we can let him out. Fun. All right. Well, hopefully he has a good snooze. That's a long time.

I know. I miss him so much. What a great pet, you know? It just goes away for four months every year. He knows. And he doesn't eat. He doesn't drink. I know.

So we can not go on, we're going to go away for Christmas and he'll just be in the shed. He's a desert tortoise. If anyone has not heard me say that out loud before, it's not any other thing that I'm putting in a shed. Yeah, no, it's not a bear. Like, she's not vibrating a pet bear. No, no, instead of the tortoise. I am 3,500 square feet, so square feet, 3,500 feet.

Elevation, yes. Elevation. So not 5,000. That's still pretty high. That's still pretty up there. Yeah. Well, why don't you go ahead and kick us off with a little intro? Hello, everyone.

Welcome to doomed to fail. We bring you historical disasters and failures once a week, and I'm Taylor, joined by Fars. And before you ask, Farras is going first today. Just don't even ask. Like, look, like, stop writing your hate mail, stop writing your handmail, put your pen down. Honestly, all of the Twitter hate. So I have a story to cover today, and I realized halfway through researching this, that last podcast on the left did, like, a multi-part series on this. And I didn't listen to it, I'm sure you did, Taylor.

And if you want, probably a more deeply researched version of this story rather than the cliff notes, I'm going to provide, definitely go to them. I have no idea how many parts it was, knowing that was probably three or four parts. It's the story of the Batavia. Do you know that one? Okay. Did you listen to that one? You know what? I got bored in the middle of it.

Okay. Well, then great. Great. So I don't think it needs five parts. I think it needs one cliff note part. I think you were right. Chris. Yes.

Okay. Yes. Yes. And it's very rare that happens, but I definitely stop listening to that one. I was like, let's wrap this up, guys. There's only so much you can go into with, like, mutinies. Like, they all kind of end the same way. I did learn some really interesting, okay, fine, I gave away the biggest lead here.

It's about a mutiny on a ship called the Batavia. But it has a distinction of being the deadliest mutiny in world history, which is kind of fun. And I do like a mutiny. So, yeah, I can't wait. I know you love mutiny. You tell me. You tell me about this. I love it. I'm going to reference one of your mutinies on this. Yes.

So let's talk Batavia, and the starting point for this conversation is this company, which I never knew how big deal was. I actually never even heard the name before. It's called the Dutch East India Company. I heard of the East India Company, the British one, but I didn't know there was a Dutch version of it as well. Yeah. Everyone was going down there for the goods. Spice. The spice. It's like it's like Dune, except the original Dune.

Um, so the Dutch East India company basically controlled trade and shipping between Europe and Asia. Um, and this would be like the late 1500s to like the mid 1600s. Um, and the 1600s, the Dutch Republic was just an assortment of different provinces that joined forces to assert a ton of naval power. They're probably apparently one of the most powerful collection of countries in the world back then. Oh, did you watch Frankenstein? Yes. Um, they just, so I'm just, I'm just picturing that those guys on the Dutch boat, but not cold. Yeah. I think they were Russian, weren't they?

No, they were Dutch. Were they Dutch? Okay. I don't know. Oh, the only way, okay, I actually would kind of know that difference because the little bit of German, I know, you can hear it a little bit in Dutch. Oh, really? Okay.

Yeah, like, enough, like, every fifth word, I like, I'm like, oh, that word, I recognize that word, you know? That makes sense. I mean, and I did, I can't remember what the name on the back of the ship was but it was weird enough to where I thought this I can't place this which is probably Dutch yeah so yeah I didn't know they were they were super powerful they were like one of the biggest and best navies in the world back then and also the Dutch East India company was kind of a company but it was also like sort of like a government entity like it could

actually launch its own wars it could establish its own force it actually had it was a pretty powerful thing. And as a result, it had a lot of soldiers that were part of their ranks and things like that. This part is totally relevant to the base story. But the very first stock market was in the Netherlands and Holland. It was established specifically because people wanted to be able to buy and own and trade pieces of the East, Dutch East India Company. I said we talked about this before because, well, when we talked about like the tulips in Holland, right and like that was like a way that people were like trading on something that didn't exist

like you do in a stock market we also talked about it as being like a way to invest before a stock market was to buy a piece of a boat that's the S6 yep right so that's like folding into that being like oh I'm going to buy a piece of this own a stake or whatever

and then that kind of came became the idea for this is more than a boat like I know what you're talking about and that was like a lot of like yeah you buy pieces of a boat and then whatever came back, which is proffering amongst partners, but East India trading company, like, it was huge. It wasn't just, like, I'll get into this later on in the story, but they weren't just, like, going there and bring in Spice back.

And, like, they were doing, like, government building stuff. Like, it was a whole, whole enterprise there. And also, this is, like, one ship of hundreds that they were deploying it simultaneously. So it was kind of a big deal. But, yeah, the very first stock exchange in Amsterdam, the Amsterdam stock exchange, the very first stock, Dutch East India Company. So back to the Batavia. The Batavia ship was named after Batavia, which is a Dutch city in modern day Jakarta.

Later on in the story, I'm just going to refer to as Jakarta. Like the city, when I refer to the city, I'm just going to call it Jakarta because, like, it's already confusing enough all these different names I'm going to be reading. And I don't need to be harder. I mean, there's like a shit ton of colonialism and bad things happening during this time. Everywhere. Everywhere. Like, it's human history forever and always. Let's get a boat and go steal stuff.

Well, they were actually doing a lot of trading. So part of what they were doing was in this ship specifically, they were carrying what they were calling high value goods, meaning silver and gold, a lot of parts. Back then, I guess, in India, or the region that we came to be known as India, most of that's what they wanted. They just wanted silver for spices. That was it. And so that was kind of the tradeoff being made at the time. But in addition to precious metals, I guess, they also were carrying high-ranking members of the military, the government, because, again, it was more than just like a company at this point. You know how, I'm so sorry.

You know how that's why India Pale Ale is called India Pale Ale, because it wouldn't go bad on a trip from Europe to India. Yeah, that's why they had to make it so hoppy. Yeah. I don't like it anymore. I'm too old. I know, I love it. So the Batavia and this. case, it was a flagship fleet of a newish class in the early 1600s. It was described as a

floating treasury and mobile command center for the company. So it was that kind of a thing. Batavia was set to have her maiden voyage on October 29th, 1628, and this gets a little bit in the weeds, but I thought it was really interesting because it describes how absolutely horrific and terrifying and how insane everybody who was on this shit had to a pin. But the whole point of it was supposed to leave this one port out of the Netherlands and go to, again, present day, Jakarta and Indonesia. The route they took was called the Brower route. And if you can visualize it, it basically means you sail south from North Atlantic to South Atlantic. So you go from the Netherlands all the way around the tip of Africa called the Cape of Goodhorn.

and they dock in Cape Town where they restock and do all of those things. Then they go south a little bit and then just cut straight east across the Indian Ocean right before they get to Australia and then they have to cut all the way north

and go straight up to Jakarta. That's the route. The Netherlands to Cape Town route is two months. That's how long you'd have to be on the ship. I'm so car sick. or motion sick thinking about it. It's got to be so terrible. Just awful.

And then after you do a little dock for like two to four weeks in Cape Town, then you have 40 days across the Indian Ocean. And then you cut north for 20 more days. So like it's, yeah, it's basically two, two month stints with like a quick two weeks, three weeks in between. I would just feel like I could maybe do one. like a carnival cruise ship or the Titanic. I don't even want to do that.

I don't even want to do that. I don't want to, but I feel like maybe. But did you ever watch the John Adams show on HBO? No. There's a part where he goes back to England or France, something to like make some new. Maybe I think he goes to France, but he just throws up the entire way. Yeah. And like the balls of the ship.

And you're like, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. That sounds terrible. So terrible. Because, I mean, what are toilets like there? What is hygiene like? What are showers like? Oh, none. There's nothing.

And there's rats. There's rats, nothing, yeah. By bugs, and it's terrible, yeah. So the ship, the Batavia, in this case, was staffed by commander Francisco Pelsart. And his second in command, the skipper was Arian Jacobs. And these two just publicly hate each other. Like, it was well known. They hate each other.

Francisco hated Arian because he thought he was a drunkard who spoke out of turn and basically just talked a lot of shit. And Arian just hated Francisco because he called them out on it. Right. Was that true? It was true. Yeah, it was. Hold on one second. I'm rethinking my thoughts about the Carnival Cruise Wolfers was a wait.

Maybe I don't want to be in a Carnival cruise. I don't want to be the cruise people for that long, you know? If I could be like people I know maybe on like a nice yacht, then maybe I would do it for that long. But then it would definitely be a recipe for disaster. Sorry, the dogs were causing a ruckus out there. You're cool. I chatted about boats. I'll find out what you do.

said when I'm editing. Great. So those are two main characters of the story, but the main character, the guy that I find the most interesting and kooky and out of his mind, is this guy named Hieronymus Cornelius. Heronimus was an apothecary, which basically was the cross-section between being a witch doctor and a pharmacist. I love that job. Yeah. I love it in a movie when they open up a doctor's thing and it's a bunch of bottles in it. I know, but it seems like I get No, they're all lithium. I know, I know. They're just drugging, like, yeah.

Like, I have opium and lithium and whiskey. Yeah, that's it. Love them. Yeah, that's it. Maybe a leech. They had, like, a 50-50 reputation. Some people think, and they're, like, kind of like, doctors. People will bypass doctors because it's cheaper to go to an apothecary.

Some people thought they're legit, but I would imagine most people who were, like, in upper classes would think they're just insane charlizans. But, like, because you can afford to go to a real doctor. Although the doctors that were probably insane too. Yeah, exactly. I feel like I'd rather have someone give me a bunch of drugs than, like, cut me open in 1600. Oh, God. You know.

So many infections. Yeah. So what happened to Hieronymus was that he had a son, him and his wife had a son. They handed the baby over to a wet nurse for a couple of months. And the kid came back and died of syphilis. So. Ew. Basically, this is what, like, destroyed Heronimus's career as, like, an apothecary and apparently

his family life, because I guess, like, in those times, like, having syphilis was considered so deplorable that, like, you were excommunicated from the world. Basically, Iran was one of this, like, campaign to say that the nurse gave the kid. He was more upset about the syphilis than he was by the kid dying. Basically just went around telling everyone that the nurse gave the kid syphilis. But when I can gather, you can't get syphilis that way. Oh, you can't? Yeah.

So, like, so it has to come from the mom. Like, the mom had to have given it. And so because of that, it destroyed the marriage. It was a whole scandal. It ruined their lives, basically. That's awful. So Aronimus at this point, he's financially destitute, and his marriage is pretty much over. And he did what anybody would do.

He just skipped down. He just left. He was like, I'm done. We're going to go somewhere, start a new life elsewhere. I was going to say, yeah, like a guy, like, buys a boat, I can see later. Yeah, it's a modern equivalent. I'm going out for cigarettes. He signs up with the Dutch East India Company to work on their ships

and was given a commission to do so on the Batavia. So that's how he kind of comes into this whole situation and causes a huge mess. Hieronymus and Arian bonded while they were on the ship, given a shared mutual hatred of Commander Francisco, Arion, for reasons that we described. And I actually couldn't figure out why Hieronymus hated him.

I think it just seemed like one of those people was just like very, very difficult to be around. Like a very challenging person who just didn't like anybody. So they hatch up plan for a mutiny. They're saying like, hey, like let's, the ship is chock full of silver and gold. Let's take it over.

We can sail off, start new lives, you know, be rich and do our own thing, basically. Best plan. And their plan was like, super simple like really dumb but very simple the plan was they were going to sexually assault a female passenger and then when the commander punished the crew for the assault they'd all see how unreasonable the commander was and it would help instigate a revolt against them against him that's the plan that's a terrible plan but you have to do that well it didn't work anyways so well i mean you know

continue so what happened was this this passenger couldn't identify the attackers and under dutch law at the time you needed either a confession and eyewitness or physical evidence which he couldn't ascertain on his own it's now widely believed and you'll find out later on that others back then would agree that like his lack of punishment for all this kind of led to the mutineers like being emboldened and seem as like a weak leader because he didn't punish anyone Yeah, he didn't punish him. Like, he could have just, like, picked a guy and been like, this is an example. He thought it could have been that Airyong guy, the second in command. But it was also, like, seen as these guys all know I hate him. So if I do something I'm wrong, then I just look like I'm being retributive. Right. That was the idea.

So, on, so nothing happened in that situation. On June 4th, 1629, the Batavia ran a ground on the west coast of Australia. So this was apparently, like, a big deal with that. that Bauer route that I mentioned earlier, because if you don't cut north exactly the right time... Right, they missed their turn. Yeah, you're going to run straight into, like, the shallow islands surrounding Australia.

Some actually think Arian is the one that did this, that, like, he deliberately didn't turn the wheel in time because of the aforementioned hatred for the captain, for the commander. So regardless, the ship had become useless and was running ground, and some 280 people were ferried off on these longboats they had, off the Batavia to a nearby island, which we now know as Beacon Island.

About 40 people drowned when the collision occurred. Oh, no. So, you know, you say, oh, no, but also, I don't think life mattered back then. Life always mattered, but it mattered differently. But also, I don't know if maybe, because of what's about to happen, that, like, that's for the best also. Yeah, maybe. Yeah.

I mean, the guy's kid died of syphilis, and all he did was say that his wife didn't give the kids up like i don't know if they really cared that much but still i mean he had he had a nervous breakdown and left right yeah could be as simple as that he drank every he probably has syphilis and which you know makes you crazy oh my god i didn't connect those dots he might have literally had syphilis and gone crazy yeah that explains so much you've learned that A million times. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that probably, yeah, that could do it.

Okay, that explains a lot, actually. So we're back to 280 people being ferried off the Batavia to Beacon Island. There was, like, a small water source on Beacon Island, not a ton. There was waterfowl, there were sea lions. They had some stuff to eat, but it wasn't great for holding 280 people. It wasn't made for that. A lot of people. Yeah.

Yeah. And I'm assuming you said those women, are their kids, too? There are kids? Also, again, are people having kids on this boat in the two months that's like walking around the ocean? I think yes, honestly. If they're on the wagon trail, they're probably doing it here. You just always are. What are you supposed to do? Yeah. That's terrible.

So the commander of Francisco, he, along with Arion, and about 40 other men decided to attempt the voyage north to Jakarta in one of the auxiliary boats. And so that's what they did. They're like, only choice. Because at this point, like, Australia is nothing. Like, nobody knows anything about Australia. Like, they know it's inhabited. But, A, it's sparsely inhabited because Australia's huge. It's still sparsely inhabited.

Yeah. And, I mean, it's sparsely inhabited now, too. But, like, back then, it must have been incredibly sparsely inhabited. And also, like, they're probably concentrated, like, very, like, in places you want to be not, like, on these outer edge islands that nobody would ever visit or want to go to. Yeah. Yeah. So our story's going to diverge here. So we're going to have two groups. We have a group who was left to find aid in Jakarta and a group that was left behind. So really quick, I'll run through the story, the first part of the divergence of the people that left

to go to Jakarta, because that's a quick one. They made it. So they sailed for 33 days and they made it to Jakarta and the commander was given a ship called the Sardom to go back and rescue the others. It took him another month to sail back to where the Batavia had been shipwrecked and then like another month to actually find the island

where the survivors were. So like think about it as like a play three month window of time from when they were shipwrecked to when the Sardom comes back to rescue people. The more interesting part of the survivors. So when the commander left

the attempt at crossing the Indian Ocean, it was deemed like pretty dangerous. And so he didn't, he only took like the strongest men with him, basically. And so in total, approximately 180 people were left on the island, about 20% of which were women. And a bunch of men who were either a week, sick, or some variation thereof. That's who was kind of left, left on the island. Just virtue. Like, I can't fathom how this guy did it. Other than just pure confidence, he managed to become the leader of this group. Now that we have determined, he probably had syphilis adult brain. Like, I have

no idea how you're immediately acting convincing, unless you're that confident. I think, I think, yes. I think you have to be like, hey, be like a personality, I don't know. You know? Yeah. Yeah. And like, I'm sure there were much more competent people, especially like, I'm sure they're more competent women, but they

couldn't be in charge, you know? Yeah, of course. So he becomes the leader, and his plan was that he would attempt to take over any vessel that attempted to help them, and then use that vessel to retrieve all the golden silver from the Batavia, and then set sail and establish a new kingdom for himself. Again, now you told, you said the syphilis, you're like, oh, this all sounds like a syphilis out of brain. A hundred percent.

You can't just, yes. Like, you're not thinking straight if that's your plan. so here's the thing here's i look this up this actually has sort of worked before when so uh in nassah islands in the bahamas was basically this that was like a waypoint for all these pirates they'd basically made their own de facto state there um then there was a kingdom established in patagonia in the 1860s that came about just like this where somebody mutinied stole the boat stole the gold and just left all right i'm wrong And I think the bounty

Bounty Mutineers did this Some like almost like they almost did this And then like eventually were found and killed But like they lived for a while Yeah But they weren't like they weren't like trading with other countries No You know they wouldn't have like

The kingdom I think is a big word Yeah nobody got that for Nobody got that far. There's still time There's still time for somebody What do I know? So her own money into silver Yeah we're heading that way

so Heronimus then made sure that all the weapons on food were under his control and that his biggest obstacle to this plan a guy named Weeby Hayes along with 20 soldiers that he led were neutralized by just sending them to another island he was like hey our water sources are low

there's an island five miles that way take one of the shitty boats we have go over there and see if you can find food if you can send up smoke signals and we'll come over there Oh, but he was like, I want you to leave Because you would like be a competition Because yeah, because he was like You might actually stand up to me That's basically what he was thinking

What? Can we see the Batavia from our house And we know it hasn't sank? It hasn't sunk yet I know that it sank After the gold was retrieved Because we're going to talk about that piece as well And parts of it have been I mean, it then sunk obviously

And parts of it have been Brought up by I think it's Western Australia and they're on a museum and showing display, whatever. Wait, I'm so sorry, I'm sorry, I'm something to do with it. You know our friend Lindsay from our last job? Yes. She's currently in Cairo right now,

and she was posting pictures of, like, King Tuts' face mask in the pyramids, and I was listening to my mind this morning. That's very cool. I saw that she was on a flight. I knew that she was on a flight to Doha, and I thought she was just going to stop in Qatar and call today, but I didn't know she went all the way to Egypt. Yeah, that's cool.

Yeah. So. Museum, and I got jealous. of her. I am going to go to an Egyptian VR thing in December that's being done here in Austin where you can be part of like the pharaohs and yeah excited about that. So you named it exactly right. The reason why he sent this guy on this mission was he was like these guys can stand up to me. They can actually put up a fight. Let's send him over there. They'll figure out there's the water over there. They'll die. We'll be rid of them. It'll be great. That's his idea.

and like this basically just like turned into Lord of the Flies like immediately um to control dissent if he suspected anyone was getting unruly or was kind of starting to get the confidence to stand up to him he would come up with some crime they committed some trumped up charge to get them to get everybody behind killing this person essentially right not even punishing them killing them yeah yeah actually it's more than or the flies not I think about it later as the days dragged on and food supplies dwindled, he would find reasons to kill people just to preserve resources. His goal was to drop the population of the island to about 45 from the 60 or so who remained after Hayes and his men went to the other island. So you got 160s, like, we got to get this down

to a solid 45. That's a lot of people to kill. Yeah, yeah. Again, bloodiest massacre ever. For women and children or the sick and weak survivors, he just typically drowned him. Like, That was basically the tactic there. For able-bodied men, they would generally wait until they were asleep or find ways to kind of surprise them and slid their throats with knives. That was the way of going about it. I can only imagine that he had, like, did he kill all the women? No. He actually, so the other part of this was he started like a kind of like, they were basically sex slaves.

Exactly. That's what I was thinking. I was like, you can't start a kingdom without women, but you need women to have babies. And yes, thank you. That's what I thought would have been gross. Gross. I assume he just killed the ones that, like, stood up to him. Yeah. Had other diseases besides syphilis. Yes.

We're a syphilis kingdom, so you can't really have anything else. I mean, I don't know. If one of the women also had syphilis and I thought she was the king of the island, then maybe you could turn into a fun rom-com. I don't feel like I have enough stories of women losing their shit because they have syphilis. Like, we know, like, you know, Van Gogh and all these people, but, like, I don't know about the ladies. They usually just die. Yeah, that is weird. You're right. I don't know any of them.

Well, that's a series of... You deserve to go crazy, old-timey ladies with syphilis. Maybe we just don't know those stories. They have to be out there. I know. I know. We just don't. Um, and then the last way that they would rid themselves with people was they would

either just club them to death with stones or they would shove them off cliffs or forced them into the water where there was like shallow coral reefs because they know they just get just beaten up and killed and drowned. Jesus. Yeah, it's pretty harsh. They're all terrible ways to go, yeah. All of them, yeah. Eventually, that group that Weeby Hayes led, actually they did find water. And they were putting up smoke signals.

There's what Heronimus asked them to do, saying, like, there's water here. Y'all should come over here. And obviously, nobody did that. But it was enough of a clue to folks. There was people elsewhere that when some weird stuff was happening, every morning you woke up and one less person was there. And like, you know, like some people Was there there? There was a little bit of water there.

They were getting to the point when it was running out, but there was some water. And then a bunch of these folks realizing that they were like unwittingly in this death cult just managed to escape the island and make the trek over the five miles south to the other island that Hayes' team were on. Nice. So they alerted them to what was going on. And this group starts realizing, oh, this is going nuts. and also they're soldiers. So, like, it's probably more, like, it's like, okay, so we just kill these guys.

Like, there's no panic, really. It didn't seem like there was any panicked alarms or anything. All they did was they started building weapons, and it would set up a night watch to make sure that these guys weren't ever going to come over and, like, surprise them. That was basically the idea. Hieronymus, again, now that you pointed out, in his syphilus out of brain, decides to go over to the other island with a few other men loyal to him and see if you can kind of like talk his way into like this group falling under his control

which is like kind of crazy and it hasn't been that long it's been like month it's no we are we are at like we're really close to month three okay we're really close to month three yeah so that obviously didn't work I keep thinking like how funny it would be if someone was like trying to like sneak up to steal team six and like hey guys listen don't want to join my cult It's like, she has shone the head immediately. Get out of her. Get out of you, nerd. Not tall enough.

She don't throw rocks at you. Yeah. So, yeah, that failed, Hays' men take Hironomus captive, and the others who are with him escape and go back to the main island and go to the second in command for Heronimus's men, who must have been an absolute genius, probably, because he attempts another siege on Hase's island. And while all this is going on, their original. commander, Francisco, he has arrived in the Sardang and everyone realizes he's here and he's

like, they're belining it to the ship. They're all trying to get to the ship because they realize like there's infantry men there, there's soldiers there. Right. Like he did it. Like the help arrived. The help arrived. Yeah. But they have like somebody, if you're Hieronymus, you want to be the first to go over there and say, hey, these haze guys are nuts. They're killing everyone on the island. If you're the Hayes guy, this guy, Hieronymus is nuts. They're killing a war on the island. So eventually, Hayes makes it, Hayes and his men make it to the ship.

They tell Commander Francisco what's going on, and a mini battle ensues with Hieronymus's men in like the overwhelming force of the fleet that's on the Sardom. And they defeat him, obviously. Francisco decides to hold a mini trial right there and then on the island, because I don't need to take, if we're just going to kill all these guys,

ways like what's the point of wasting the food and the space on the ship let's just like figure it out right now so they hold them any trial and um heromus is obviously found guilty and everybody really really dislikes hieronymus at this point um his hands are chopped off and then he is hung so he went kind of a bad way um and then others who helped ronimus with the endeavor were just kind of dropped off in australia and we're like good luck like just figure it out yourself I'm not taking me back with me and then others were taken back to Jakarta

for trial of which five were hung in Jakarta and the others were I don't know what the legal system was but it was like just like make these guys like die of torture basically because when the when the when the Tsardan then went back to the Netherlands

a bunch of them were just strapped to the keel of the ship yeah so they were just like writing, I mean, I don't even know what your body looks like after that. I imagine it's just, there's just nothing left. I can't even imagine anything's left. Yeah. It's like, I'm too, ooh, ugh. Like, remember, I don't remember, but

you always hear, like, you get punished by, like, being taken by a rope underneath the ship and, like, scraped in all the particles and pulled back up. That says, I think the term is called keel siding. That's literally what it was. Yeah. Yeah, you're strapped to the side. Yeah. Um, and then

Arion for all of his terrible action. was tortured, but he did not confess to anything. And nobody really knows what happened to him. The only assumption I was able to conclude from this is that it just died in prison and nobody cared enough to, like, alert anyone that he's dead. Francisco, the commander, again, he was seen as a weak leader. Like, they referenced back to that sexual assault situation. Like, you, these guys felt him, like, something really horrible happening.

You did nothing. And, like, that's probably why they thought they could just stand up to you because you seemed like a pushover. Right. Um, he ended up, but also, I kind of feel like he redeemed himself because he, like, let a rest of mission. No, it's cool that he did it. Like, I think he probably had like, you know, financial reasons for finding it and doing all this stuff. Wait, who got the, wait, did he come back and get all the gold and silver? He got most of the gold and silver, yeah.

Okay. Yeah, because I feel like, I mean, yes, this is a job to do that. And like, so it's good that he did, but also that seems hard. well it is cool they did that he he was punished he had all of his financial assets seized um he basically died kind of like a who cares kind of a character in history um he actually died like a year later like he yeah didn't didn't even make that long um and that was basically it the batavia became the deadliest mutiny in human history only 122 people out of the original 332 pastures on board survived and of those i think they counted somewhere around seven or so were executed so 115 out of 332 is what it ended up being what was the weather like is it hot or cold hot i don't know i didn't look that up i mean west my mood changes so much depending on the

weather i assume that if you're on i i think it's the worst of both worlds i think if you're in an island in the middle of the indian ocean it is probably blisteringly hot during the day day and then incredibly cold at night. Yeah. Because the island, you can look it up. Beacon Island, you can look it up. Now, like, it's, it's not big. It's like...

Right. It's a very small, like, it's... If you're picturing, like, a huge rainforest, it's not that. No, I'm picturing, like, one palm tree. Oh, there's nothing on this island. Yeah, there's nothing on it. Yeah.

I have no idea. I don't know if it looked like that when they were there, but, like, right now, there's nothing there. It's very small, yeah. Yeah. Rough going. rough going i mean yeah the whole thing is rough even if it went perfectly well it wouldn't be fun you mean if they actually made it there without shipwrecking yeah yeah yeah the whole thing

sounds horrible it's still not fun i also read that like the east india or the dutch east india company also had like slave ships so like they're running slaves back and forth too and I was like, man, as bad as it is, anyways, how much worse? I can't, I mean, just like, you know, learning, when you learn all of that, when your kid, hopefully, you know, you learn all that and just like, it's, it's incomprehensible. How horrible that must have been, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I don't think this one, I don't think Batavia did, but if they did, I would imagine the 40 that drowned for them.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, like the, um, the bounty when they had their mutiny, remember, they were taking that breadfruit from one place to another to feed all the enslaved people in the Caribbean. Oh, yeah. Like that was their like goal was to get that like easy to cultivate fruit over there. And then also later, later in my life last Christmas, when I was in Puerto Rico, there was breadfruit and I was telling my in laws that that's why it's there. Is it because they took it to the Caribbean for a cheap food to feed to enslaved people? Did you eat it? I don't remember. I think I did. Red fruit? Red fruit.

It's just like a big, like, remember, you don't remember. I don't know why I keep saying that. You know how, like, jackfruit can taste like pulled pork. Have you ever done that? No. There's, like, a way to cook a jackfruit, which is like a sweeter, it looks like a coconut kind of, but it's, like, sweeter, and you can, like, you can cook it, so it tastes just like pulled pork is wild.

Really? Have you done that? I haven't done it myself, but I've eaten it. like wild by the people there's stuff like that why does it impossible meat make a jackfruit

sandwich I don't people I guess we can go I don't want to Trader Joe's but it's a little too smoky for me but you know but the texture is the same

lesson learned yeah I was literally talking about making pulled pork for dinner tonight I love pulled pork I do it in the

I do in the crackpot with a canned of root beer do you do that yeah well Dr. Pepper same same yeah with the Hawaiian rolls

right I do it. So that's my story. And I went first today, which I know is going to throw a lot of a loop. And I just hope you all don't write us too many letters of angst and anger. We just get so many emails. That's a card to keep up. It's tough. It's tough. Yeah. But that's not. That's what we do. Cool. Cool. What do you got for, Taylor? I just want to tell you that Morgan did get all of her bot mitzvah decorations from Oriental trading. And I said, literally, of course, you did. And then her and I both, oh, I did because she sent me the link to get the catalog.

So there's a, there's three options. There's like a religion option of the catalog. There's seasonal. And then there's school. So I got the seasonal one. So maybe I'll get one like once a quarter for whatever holiday's coming up. And I also have, I was like, what to stop me from setting this to Farce's house? I'm probably going to send you the Oriental Trading Catalog as well.

Your, um, your content you produced for that episode with the Oriental stuff. It was, it was incredible. Thank you. I put that background of junk in the back of it. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Yeah, that's it. But yeah, I just wanted to say to people, please send us the emails.

Let us know what you want to do to hear from us. We take requests. So doomed to fell pod at gmail.com. Please do like reviews, good reviews on all wherever you listen. That's also really cool if you did that. And we're on the socials at Doom to Philpod. let us know what you think send us ideas but some of ideas that are like researchable like I've tried doing

freedom of information act request before and it is it is a whole process I did get oh so I did buy wait to show this I did get I did the downer party a while ago remember oh I showed you my Lindberg crime book that I bought at the library for a dollar but I also finally bought a physical copy of the indifferent stars above I'm showing oh nice yeah because I've read it twice via the library

and I think I listened to it twice but I was like oh I should also have this because like what if one of my children want to do a report on the dinner party? I think I have that book too because that was like that was the highest

I've never heard them this is the last podcast on the left I've never heard them gush about a book the way they gushed about that one it's great I listen to it yeah I listen to it twice I mean yeah it's really really good

oh what his pictures these poor people Do you remember the fight with a grizzly bear? In the Donner Party? In The Indifference Stars. I don't know. They referenced that the Indifference Stars, there is a vignette of a grizzly bear fight where someone killed a grizzly bear with their bare hands.

It's like crazy. I can't. I don't recall it myself. If I mean, you might recall it. But if Don's fine, I can read it. Um, I, that's funny. Whenever I'm cold, wait, I'm sure to this that I, my skill for cold is like I'm normal cold I'm chilly whatever but I'm super cold I'm revenant cold

oh yeah and I just imagine myself inside of a bear like Leonardo Carprio yeah great movie yeah cool thank you that's fun we will do another release we're not taking a break for the holidays so there will be another release next week as well and we will be checked for our emails so let us know Zoom to fillpod at gmail.com. And yeah, happy Thanksgiving. Um, yeah, happy Thanksgiving, everyone. Have a great time. Yeah, enjoy time and family.

Yeah. Sweet. Well, go on and cut off there.