Doomed to Fail - Ep 23 - Part 2: Horror at Home - The Cheshire Murders

Episode Date: May 29, 2024

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Hi, everyone. Taylor, I'm doomed to fail. We are a podcast that brings you history and true crimes, most epic disasters and big failures. And today, we're revisiting episode 23, part two on the Cheshire murders. These happened in Cheshire, Connecticut in 2007. And two men broke into a home and murdered most of the family in a horrific, horrific home invasion. So if you're scared of that thing, this is maybe one to listen to and get a little more scared. Also, if you have read the book in cold blood and want to talk about it, let me know. I love to talk about it. It's honestly one of the scariest books I've ever read. I hope you enjoy. If you have any questions or ideas, we're at doomed to fell pod at gmail.com. Please, please, please share and tell your friends and leave us reviews. We really need more people to listen so that we can keep doing this.

So if you can share it, that'd be awesome. And then we are also almost done with our re-releases. So this is 23, Part 2, Cheshire. of the state of California versus Hortonthal James Simpson case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. Moving on to the true crime side of the equation. I got a bad one for us today. Oh, a bad one? Well, a bad story. Yeah. Okay, so Taylor, we are a little bit desensitized, me and you, and a lot of the listeners who actually listen to True Prime, because we know what Ted Bundy did, we know what Jeffrey Dahmer did, we know what Henri Chikatillo did, and you look at that stuff, you're like, can anything possibly surprise you about what humans are capable of doing to each other? And usually the answer is no, but I

I actually think of two crimes that came to mind for me whenever I think of, like, man. So we can level up beyond that. One of them, I've already covered. One of them was actually Lawrence Bidicker and Roy Norris and what they did to that poor girl in that van. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The toy box. Yeah. Yes.

No, toolbox. Toybox is the different guy. Both are awful. Both are awful. But like this story that I'm going to describe has a lot. in common with that. First stop, it involved, it's not a romantic relationship that got two people together. It was like a criminal relationship that got these two people together and put each other in each other's orbit. And the other one is that it kind of stuck out in my mind about

how cruel it is. I'm going to say this. I went back because I was researching this and was like, why did this stick in my mind as being so bad? Because now in hindsight, I've definitely covered worse crimes. I think the part of it that makes it so bad, is that the things that happened to these people, in and of themselves are awful. Like I won't mention, they're awful. But they're not like crazy, crazy. Like, I definitely heard of worse things that happen.

I think what it is is the randomness of it and the type of victims that they were. So the type of victims they were, were like very upper class income, successful, white people. They were the perfect little nuclear family. And the randomness of what happened to them is just like, how on earth is, it's scary because it feels like, oh, this can literally just happen to anyone at any time. Like, I was actually doing the math on this. It was like, we're probably going to be into an argument over this because I can understand reading a story like this, why people are so gun happy in this country because it's like, wait somebody and come into your house and do that to you.

And yes, the outcome is that like, also people can go into schools and shoot kids. Like, I get the juxtaposition there, but almost, like, if this ever was a thing that I thought was possible in my life, I would definitely go get, like, a gun and want to kill somebody that came in my house and did this. So, anyways, that's afraid me. Yeah. You know, I'm thinking, I'm thinking what you're going to say, and it's awful. And also, yeah, you're afraid of the randomness. Yeah, the randomness of it is, like, what is so freaky? Like, I mean, that's the part of it that I think just because, again, like, what end up happening to them, like,

wasn't like the most violent thing I ever read. It's more like just like, damn, like, really like that's just like that could be your life. It might be, it's basically like the, um, the strangers, right? It's like, it's a randomness of like the strangers. Like, that's, that's the story. But so we're going to get into our two main antagonists first. First off, we have a guy named Joshua Andrew Kamoserjewske. Khmuserjewski. Okay. I was, I was just writing this. I was like, man, I should have had Taylor do this because she is so much better pronouncing this crazy names than i am josh so far more so concerned but this has so many more syllables on my name like

my name looks hard because people are lazy but if you actually look at it it's not that hard this has it's true call me such jeffs whatever uh i'm gonna call him josh going for so josh was actually he was born to a 16-year-old mother and some mechanic that was barely old enough to like get someone pregnant basically and he was immediately sent off for adoption normally i would say that this guy was dealt like a pretty bad hand given that he was born into these circumstances. But he was like adopted at two weeks old by what I'm going to describe as mostly normal people. They were religious lunatics who basically would put him in Bible camps. And as far as I can tell, I would classify them as like evangelical. The one thing that did happen that was obviously horrific was

being molested by an uncle. And the way the family dealt with that was you need more religious. So that wasn't great. Like, his mental health was not super well taken care of. And the uncle didn't, like, go to jail or anything, huh? No, of course not. And, I mean, yeah, yeah, you'll see this play itself out later on, like, that molestation piece of it will manifest itself later on. It's interesting because he, um, his family, the family that adopted him came from like these, like, crazy, like this crazy background. Like, his grandfather was apparently one of the most influential.

theatrical directors ever and his grandma was a Lithuanian princess. Whoa, cool. Yeah, it has no bearing on any of this, but like these people were very, very waspy. You know, I saw a documentary about this, this prime that we're going to discuss, and they interviewed like his uncle and aunt and did their house look like, one of the coolest houses you'll ever see. It was like a glass house. It was insane.

These people were like very, very waspy. Yeah, yeah. This all happens in Connecticut, the home of the wasps. So just so we're clear. That is true. We know that. So around the time Josh was 12 or 14, this one, the molestation piece kind of manifests itself. He also had a sister who was also adopted by this family. And that sister accused him of molesting her, which is like the cycle you see, right? Like if somebody gets molested, they just keep kind of perpetuating that cycle. So and around this time, Josh was also doing some other petty crimes, such as breaking into homes and burlizing them, which is like an insane thing to do. when you're like 12 to 16 years old, but he did it a lot. My libertarian cousin who was like, it was like, what did he say? He says, oh, the one who said that like America is, he said America is the least racist country now on Facebook. And I was like, oh, my God.

It was like super embarrassing. But I wanted to say to him to say, oh, yeah, because do you remember when you got arrested of breaking into houses when you were 15 years old, did you, were you afraid the cops were going to shoot you? No, because you're white. you're white but i left that out because i'm pretty sure it's a felony but he definitely did that so i um i was literally talking to someone about this after having gone to europe i can attest that america has a much better perspective perspective on racism at least as it relates to me than english people do like english people still do think that if you're not like as white

as they have a problem with brown people too yeah yeah yeah it was uh that was uh that was that that was a unique experience it was like it was like living in american like in the 1990s me like i was like wow this is crazy um but yeah good point so josh ends up getting so josh had actually committed about 18 burglaries at this point by the time he was accused and convicted of sexually molesting the sister he'd committed about 18 burglaries like this is this thing you just go out yeah but it was also like my take on it was like okay this kid like literally has nothing but like religious indoctrination like yeah it's got to be fun to go break into people's houses so yeah he gets nine years in prison it was interesting because he this is like when he started

like showing some sociopathic tendencies he told his lawyer that he would like to go into the bedrooms of the people that his house he broke into and just go from bedroom to bedroom and just listen to them breathing not doing anything and just like home gonna be home oh my god yeah and it was something around how he like wanted he just liked knowing that he had this like power of them that he was breaking into their intimate space that he's disturbing their privacy and all that stuff so and that kind of leads them like this is like when he kind of starts showing that he's kind of fucked up one thing that was interesting was that he was apparently like super super smart too

so he had like a photographic memory so apparently when he was like coming clean by these burglaries he could remember every detail he would tell you how much money he took from which house what denominations that money was where he found the money if he found them in pants he would tell you where the pants were what color they were what kind of pants they were and he was a crazy good artist like his oh like i saw pictures of his art and i was like dude this kid was like super talented and he didn't utilize it the way he should his poetry was going back to poetry his poetry was really, really, um, uh, dark, but like, like, I wouldn't classify it as like something I want living in my head, but like, it's good to read. It's not a bad read. But so, so anyways,

he had a lot of stuff going on there. So five years after the conviction for the sexual assault and this burglary, he is paroled and he sent to a halfway house. This is around 12, seven. Yep, there you go. Perfect timing, right? And this is when he would meet the other antagonist of our story, a guy named Stephen Joseph Hayes, who very recently, as of like two, three years ago, came out as transgender and changed gender orientation. So from here on now, I'll just refer to Stephen by his current name, which is Linda Hayes. Thank you. Okay, and I'll be referring to her as her going forward. So Linda was quite a bit older than Josh, and I think it amounts to somewhere 17 years older than Josh's. The events we're discussing here, again,

they happened in mid 2007 so josh would have been 27 and linda would have been around 44 years old that being said usually the dynamic that we talk about is how the older one manipulates the one that's really not the case here linda seemed like a total fucking burnout nothing loser like like she spent most of her life in jail for like stupid petty crimes like breaking the window to a car to steal like a computer like stuff like this like linda had been arrested about 30 times by this point like it was just petty stupid shit it wasn't like creepy i'm going to stand at your foot of your bed while you're breathing crimes like it feels like josh was the one that was the most influential over the two of over their dynamic with each other linda would apparently try to

od and kill herself many times while she was younger i actually watched this documentary it's on hb you want to watch it it's called the cheshire murders because it happened in cheshire connecticut i watched the documentary and they interviewed linda's brother who i don't totally want to talk shit about because he seems like he has some kind of a degenerative disease the way he moves mouth and talks he has like ms or lou garries i can't really tell what but after the crimes took place he like linda's on trial and um the brother writes the judge and the prosecutor about how like they should put the brother or linda to death because he was such a terrible brother growing up and talks about how when the brother was five linda put his hand on a hot plate

it was like you should kill this kid like i mean there's a lot of like ludicrous assumptions being made there but the long story short was that linda's entire family kind of hated her so that's kind of where where that started ended up it is interesting because linda does have a kid that was interviewed on the um on the HBO special on the documentary and that kid had just gone back from police academy when all these crimes happens like the kid went a totally different direction that linda did which kind of interesting wow could you imagine like how different yeah Like, I mean, and he's old, too, you know, like, being old and having your parents be, like, a criminal. Yeah, yeah, it's got to be a little wild.

Yeah. So let's, we're going to turn our attention to the victims of this case. So we have the nuclear family, right? We have 48-year-old Jennifer Hawk Petit, who was a nurse and the director of a private boarding school and also the mother of this family. Her dad was a pastor in town. And, again, they just seemed like this, like, overall waspy, happy-go-lucky family. We have their, her daughter, seven. year old Haley Pettit, who was about to graduate high school and attend Dartmouth College.

She was an overachiever. She was an honor roll. She wrote varsity for crew. She had started actually a nonprofit at our school to fundraise for MS research because Jennifer the mom had MS herself. Yeah, sweet kid apparently had a lot going off for. And then we have the younger sister. She's 11 years old. Her name is Michaela Pettit. Lastly, we have the father, William Pettip, who was a doctor and endocrinologist in town and, you know, the the patriarch here. July 22nd of 2007 is when all this kind of goes down. So on that day, which was a Sunday, Jennifer and Michaela went grocery shopping to get some, apparently McKellie made dinner with the family a lot. It was really sweet. They went grocery shopping and Josh saw them and started kind of following them and observing their routine. Josh and Linda had become friends at this

point. And this is where it's a little bit of a conflict. I don't totally know the truth. They either became friends at the halfway house or they became friends by attending A meeting together. There's conflicting reports on that. Long story short is that they started texting and the text was something along the lines of, hey, I saw this family. I think we can break into their house because that's what I do. I'm Josh. We're going to bring into their house and we can go ahead and steal a bunch of stuff and it'll be great.

Nobody's going to get hurt. That's what we're going to do. One thing to mention here is that in the documentary that I watched, they interviewed Josh's girlfriend at the time and they also interviewed the girlfriend's dad and there was some insinuation that josh had pedophilic tendencies he obviously had some enough to sexually molest the daughter or the the the sister but the intuition what's being intuitive here is that he told linda we're going to rob this house but it's believed he actually was trying to get to michaela and that was kind of the you know the main idea here how old was she a lot of she a lot of

11. Oh, gross. Linda doesn't know any of this. Linda's assessment is like, we're just going to go around this place because Linda's a burnt out loser. Like, you're going to follow a 27-year-old when you're 44. Who does that? So the two arrived in the early hours of July 23rd.

So they saw the mother and daughter on Sunday, July 22nd. They put this play in action. Day alive in early morning hours. Josh enters the house through the unlocked door in the basement, William, the dad. He's asleep in the sunroom. the sunroom. So away from the rest of the family, he's downstairs in the sunroom. Josh had found a bat in the basement and bludgeoned the shit out of William, knocking him unconscious. They would then zip tie Williams' arms and legs,

and then they would make their way up to the family's rooms where they would just like grab them, put their hands over their face and say, don't scream. They'll zip tie that all the other individual people upstairs and put pillowcases on their head. Again, the plan is, we're robbing the house. So they ransack the house looking for things to steal and they find some cash and realize that there's got to be more money somewhere. So Linda starts freaking out at this point because again, like this is gone too far for Linda already. She's there to rob a house. We don't know for sure, but it was assumed that Josh told Linda to go to the gas station and fill up some gas canisters. So we see him doing this. He takes a family car. He goes to the gas station and fills up

some gas canisters. It's during this time, Josh stays at the house and he uses this as his opportunity to basically rape Michaela. And then it's all documented. It's like he took pictures of this on his cell phone. Apparently after trial, the state ended up offering free counseling of the jurors for having to look at these pictures. Like it was one of those things. This is one where I'm really glad that we're not a video medium yet because my face is like just a gross horror this whole time. Yeah. Yeah. It's not. And this is also, like, just in cold blood that we talked about before. You should read it.

Somebody, when I was listening to the documentary, somebody said, this is the most gruesome thing that's happened since cold, in cold blood. Yeah. It was actually referred in the documentary. It's like such a similar fucking story. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. This is where things get a little bit dicey and gets a little bit more true for me.

So Josh takes Jennifer in the morning to the bank and tells her to withdraw a bunch of cash. he does not go in the bank with her he stays in the car fucking stupid idea crazy okay go ahead continue it's crazy because what ends up happening it's just like it's like why didn't she say anything is it will they kill your family what happened yeah so she did she tell

there's video of this like there's from the Bank of America and she looks she looks like a haunted woman when she's in front of this tell her and she's telling her hey we're being held hostage do something about this she writes this down on a note she gives her the bank manager the bank manager immediately calls the police you can hear the audio recording of all this if you listen to the documentary the police show with the bank and then basically

just don't reveal themselves jennifer apparently told the bank tell her that hey these guys are not aggressive she hadn't seen that they bashed they bludgeon she didn't know she didn't know because they dragged him into the basement so to her she's like look they're just trying to ransack the house and still money like they're not trying to hurt us so like you know they're not aggressive they're just after money Josh Josh takes her back to the house And at this point, police had basically just shown up at the bank. And that's the story, that they were at the bank kind of surveilling things. They don't follow her home?

This is, okay, so this is where it gets weird. This is where, like, it's not totally clear. So there was a FOIA request for the transcripts of what the police were doing by the media. And it's all kind of like blacked out. Nobody knows for sure. And the police aren't saying for sure if they were at the house or not during this time. It's assumed that somebody, some police were like at the house. house, sort of, but we don't know that for sure.

What they ended up, what they definitely said was that they showed up at the house when these two were getting away, because they rammed into a deputy's patrol car, and that's when they were arrested. But there's this window of time from when they got back from the bank to when they escaped the house, when all the horror took place. Right. And people, people generally think like this could have been prevented because a hundred percent like that.

Yeah, like there's no weapons involved, right? there was no guns there was no knives nothing all they did was they found this bat and the police could have done something but they seemed they should have gone there they should just been there yeah yeah so i was listening to a presser where the mayor mayor's like talking about what heroes the police were and how proud of them they were and it's like one of those things where your jaw's like you're talking about they were late they were late yeah exactly it reminded me of the shooter in Vegas remember that when the cops were in the hallway and they wouldn't go in the room and they could have like apparently saved a bunch of lives they actually busted in the

door as well when like the cops didn't do shit which like look look i don't blame them but like i i wouldn't go in that room either but i didn't sign up i didn't sign up a cop like exactly exactly it's not your job um that's so stupid oh yeah so they get back to the house and linda ends up raping jennifer in the living room and then he strangles linda or she she she she she strangles linda to death right linda strangles jennifer to death yes and apparently during this time again Williams in the basement he can hear what's going on above him and his wife screams and he's shouting at them telling him to stop and linda shouts back that it's going to stop soon enough like he was trying to be funny and like i'm going to kill her kind of the way that's how this is going to stop

why isn't he out of the basement he's been zip tied he had his head back she's was tied to a pole but he was it's so sad too because we look at pictures of this guy after this all happened because so many people were like you could have saved your family you should have saved your family you should have whatever you'd look at his head dude they cracked his head wide open like he was not in like a good position like help anyone but I can imagine as a man and that's your family like the events afterwards had to be like nightmarish for you but man every basement has that like terrifying pole yeah right that you like run into on Rollers gates and or get zip tied to when someone's dropping you. Yeah. Yeah. Remind me of the, the, um, the, uh, uh, uh, uh, BTS or G, uh, what is it? BTK murders too, because that's what he did, he zip tied them to the pipe in the basement. Yeah, that's what they happened breaking bad, remember? You're like, yeah. Yeah. So William saw how managers to free himself enough to escape out of the basement door that they, Josh and Lynded actually let themselves in from and started making it out to a neighbor. This is the time when he said he could, he swore,

he saw men like in the backyard like like like police yeah like the assumption was that there were police there and nobody came out to help him but again part of me is like he also his head was wide open like he'd been bleeding out for this whole thing took seven hours he'd be bleeding in the basement for seven hours of this like massive head wounds like could he have seen nothing i don't know right he's definitely like confused oh my god okay so around this time josh starts dousing jennifer's body and the two girls who are still alive in zip tight in their rooms and gasoline. Not good.

They sparked the house and they tried to make an escape in the family vehicle and are immediately stopped by police. They ran into the police patrol car and the police hop out. And again, this is where, like, where there's this difference between, like, the police say we showed up when they were leaving. It was a coincidence that all this happened at the time that it happened. with the FOIA request showed that police actually did

say that they saw fire consuming the house like somebody was there but we don't know for how long or whatever so the girls ended up dying due to smoke inhalation before the rescuers could get to them and their bodies were pretty burnt up and nobody noticed that was pre-report post-mortem

that they got burnt which is awful. That's the worst fucking weight in your fucking bedroom as a teenager. Yeah as an 11 year old one of them So Josh and Linda get set for trial, and they ended up having separate trials. Linda was the first one to go. And apparently Linda and Josh both were like, we'll do a plea deal. We'll do a plea deal.

We'll do life in jail. And the prosecution's like, no, no, we're taking our chances and we're going for death. Like, this is not one of those times when you get a plea deal. The Linda's lawyers would argue that Josh does up brings the operation. that didn't convince anybody they did five hours of liberation they found him guilty and they also sentenced him to death obviously like it was horrible i mean i've really saw all these like these talk shows were like y'all should have literally just put two in the back of their head like immediately like these people did not even deserve a trial i don't know how i feel about this so in

august of 2015 before linda could be executed or josh that matter the state of connecticut abolished the death penalty so linda's now in jail forever without the possibility of parole i don't really know I feel about it. Like, you know, the death penalty, like, it's not really that big of a deterrent, and it does cost a lot more than keeping someone in jail for life. Maybe being in jail for life is worse than the death penalty, but there's a part of me that's like, man, the dad should decide what happens to them. Like, it, I know. My friend, Agnes from Illinois, said, you know, slacked me and said, it sounds like Farras is pretty pro-death penalty. You know what's funny is I did death penalty defense work in when I was in law school.

Did you really? Yeah, like I was trying to get people off death road in Florida. But I don't know. That was a long time ago, and like part of me, like, I don't know how I feel about it. It's interesting because in this case, what ended up happening was this spark Connecticut's entire obsession with the death penalty. Because if you were pro-death penalty, this is the case you point to and say, obviously we should kill these people. Yeah. And what ended up happening was the state legislators passed a bill to abolish the death penalty.

It went up to the governor, and the governor was like, no, I'm not going to sign this specifically because these two have to die. It was just because of these two. And so it went back to the legislator, the state legislators, and the state legislation passed another bill saying, fine, going forward, anybody convicted of the death penalty, or going forward, nobody can be convicted of the death penalty. Previously, anybody on death row can be killed by death penalty. And it was just these two. So they passed this bill just to ensure these two get killed. The governor signed that into law. Obviously, one of the Supreme Court of Connecticut,

and the Connecticut Supreme Court was like, no, you can't have. If you apply it now, it has to apply retro as well. And they found unconstitutional and struck it down and said, fine, we won't have a death penalty at all. As a result of that, that ended up, these two ended up on life without parole. So, I mean, yeah, that's, I don't, have they ever done that? Because I know that, like, all the Manson family, like, they should have been absolutely death penaltyed, but they weren't because of the law change. So is it always, like, retroactive?

Yeah, so I remember this in law school. There was something about how if it's a criminal case, you can't, if you change the law, that law has to retroactively apply to people that are being punished by that law. It mostly came up in the cases of, like, drug offenses when California made drugs legal, or marijuana legal. but it also happened with the Manson murders, right? Like, they were all on death row, and they were like, nope, nope, we're just going to abolish it altogether. That's a piece of the shit. And then, but then it came back.

When it came back, they can't also then retroactively increase your punishment after the fact, right? So California then passed laws saying that death penalty is okay. Scott Peterson's on death row, but they couldn't put the people who were previously off death row back on death row. Oh, my God. What a roller coaster. I know, I know.

So this, it's interesting because this thing had so many policy applications. The dad, William, would move on with his life. He'd get married. He'd have another kid later on in life. He actually became, he was tapped to run for the U.S. House or the Senate. I can't remember which by the RNC because he obviously, Keanu was like, as a talking, that was a dog. As a talking point, he's like a really good candidate on the Republican side, right? because he's a hundred percent pro death penalty he's a hundred percent pro second amendment so it's like

it's a really good he'd be a good candidate he turned that down he ended up running for a state senate which he won uh and his term is up actually this year um and who knows what's going to happen after that but it's a horrible horrible case and i can't imagine being that guy and how you live with yourself like he looks he has a a wife and a baby but i don't know how you like move on from that what like how would a gun have helped he got ahead and had when he was sleeping no it's not that it would have helped it's that like it gives you this sense of like how can i stop the how can i is there anything they can limit my ability to be victimized in this random situation and it's like i don't know like no a gun would not have helped you was

sleeping but like i don't know you're right it wouldn't have helped damn that argument completely fall apart i mean like i imagine like i don't know one of the girls could have on the gun but like also you shouldn't have a gun around your kids like i don't know it's terrible it's awful the randomness of it is so scary the people being your house the fucking failure of the police to help her like dude it's crazy it was crazy bank like you can see her and she looks like just like a ghost woman and it's like just follow her home and then just tackle one of like i don't her parents were so sad like the parents were the pastor they're like these sweet sweet old people and they were like you could have they could have called their house phone and asked to talk to them you know like they were like trying to throw out suggestions anyway it was yeah it was bad but um a million things yeah yeah yeah that's part of it like it's the randomization of it it's a fact that

they were just such a normal family piece of it that plays into it it's just like you don't expect stuff like that to happen to people like that I guess and and also there's part of it's like it's like it reminds you of straw dogs or nocturnal animals have you ever seen either of those movies it's largely around like being victimized and not being able to do anything to stop it and um natural animals is like really bad so straw dog actually they're both really really bad but they're yeah they're i mean they're scary but like i don't know it's not scary in a fun way it's not like the conjuring scary it's in like you know sexual assault scary so yeah yeah i hate that. But yeah, that's my story today. Oh, that's terrible. I thought you could talk about a different

one, because there's another one, another family that looks something similar happened to. Who? And it was in the one in D.C. in 2015, the Sevopolis family, S-A-V-O-P-O-U-L-O-S. And they had two daughters who were out of town, and one of them is on Instagram, and she's like, talks about her life and being like, what do you do, you know? I mean, what happened? Somebody broke into their house? Yeah, and killed the mom and the dad and the housekeeper and the little boy. Why?

Random? She's still money. He was like, I think he was someone, I'm bringing Wikipedia really fast. He like knew them in some way, but it came back to, he was someone that they had fired, I guess. Okay, so it's not like entirely randomized. No, but it's still like in your house, kind of killing. We're going to help that. I'm going to lock on my doors.

I don't know if a gun would have helped them God, I'm so glad I have Luna That's true I feel so safe when she's here Yeah, I feel she should be pro big dog We're pro big dog We're pro big dog podcast Yeah

All right, well that is our story Taylor I know you have to rush your recital What do you have 30 minutes to get there? Yeah, it's in an hour So I have to dress up and get the boy to dress up And then we're going to go And watch some kids play some instruments That sounds fun.

It's Florence playing? No, she, well, excuse me, Miles has piano and Florence is Girl Scouts, but I heard a rumor that she would start playing the violin, so. You heard rumors? I don't know.

It's a word on the street? Yeah, I was telling my sister, like, when I have to help Miles with his piano, I'm like, I literally don't know anything. I know nothing. So it's like asking me to help Miles conjugate verbs in Chinese. I'm like, I don't know. He's like, what do here?

I'm like, I literally don't know. I don't know what the notes mean. I don't know what they're supposed to sound like. like. I don't know what the keys are. Like, I don't know anything. I cannot help you. I can sit here. I make sure you sit here, but there's literally nothing I can do. You know more than me. Yeah, you got to stop paying your piano teacher because that's when they're coming to you for guidance. That's not a good thing. No, no, I'm saying me. I cannot help him. Right. He's doing great. Good. I did piano for a long time when I was a kid too. Yeah. Can you still play?

No. I can still do deck the halls because that's the first song you learn. And that's it. So I can do deck the halls on piano. I can do one. I can do. Wonderwall on guitar, and that is little yet. You are a catch far as it. Which like, you don't need to know more than that. No. Oh, wait. Oh, wait, wait.

Sorry, thank you to everyone for listening. I'm sorry, I'm just like falling asleep as we're at any of this. I don't know what's going on. Also, nobody who doesn't know us listens to this because I got zero emails for people who don't know us. That can't be true. If you don't know us, please email me. Tell me that you don't know me. Just say, hey, I don't know you.

to your podcast what's the email you got to tell them what the email is it's doomed to fill pod at gmail.com doomed to fill pot at gmail.com yeah there's no way like we have enough downloads to where like I don't think these are our like all over I mean maybe like 10 of them are our friends or family email me tell me about your life no Taylor okay cool I'll go ahead and cut us in the things thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you all Thank you.