Doomed to Fail - Ep 231: Wash your hands! - Typhoid Mary

Episode Date: January 5, 2026

Hello and welcome to 2026! Let's start it out with the story of Mary Mallon, who spread Typhoid Fever around NYC in the early 1900s. For a while, Mary didn't know that she was a 'healthy carrier' of the disease. But something started happening - every place Mary worked, people got sick. She was eventually 'caught' by investigator George Soper, quarantined, let go, started cooking AGAIN, and finally quarantined for life. Wash your hands and join us!  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Dan, we are here live fresh into 2026. Welcome here, Taylor. Welcome to the year of the six. Thanks. So many bad things have happened already. I will say I'm in favor of one of them. the well it's a it's a it's a two things can be true at the same time but we but the one thing that I wanted to talk to you about is the man did you see that fire in Switzerland that that was awful just awful I was reading about it and like I just see the picture of the ceiling when it first caught

on fire oh my god and then my friend Karen was over and she was reading about it because like there's a push is like how did so many people not get out you know but there's a point where it gets so hot that even if it's just the ceiling on fire it gets so hot at one point that everything catches on fire yeah it combust it everything just combusted oh god then then what i read it was a basement thing and so people were either trying to break windows or there was like one thin staircase that you could like run run up it sounded awful oh my god just last i looked it was 47 were dead it might even more than that now and then i also think like the people who live like what are

horrible way to live if you're burned all over, you know, and stuff like that. Oh, my God, just absolutely horrible. So horrible way to start the year. I feel so sad for everybody involved in that because that's just so scary. Is that, does that always happen? Isn't every new year, like the morning after, like something like this happens somewhere? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It feels familiar. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so yeah, just super awful. Anyway, that made me feel feel very sad about fires and also a reminder to find your exits because I guess there was another exit but you like naturally go to the main exit because that's when you think of you know so like just you know I don't know I hate I hate saying that because that sucks to like be in a place and

be like where are my exits how do I get out and give something bad but like you have to do that oh I do it all time so my one thing is because you know I watch a lot of like plane disaster videos the one thing they always tell you is always count where you are in relation to the row that has the exits because if something goes wrong and it's smoky and fiery your brain won't be able to process it so you just need to be able to like put your hand on a thing and physically like count it to know where you're supposed to go and so every time I get on a plane I literally just count exactly how many headrests there are between me and the exit row wow I'm not crazy No, you're not. And I feel like you told me that before. And also like, yeah, I always like,

I always talk to make sure my closest exit isn't behind me. You know, all this is what you're supposed to do. But man. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, we're doomed to fail. We talk about disasters, even though we hate them. Seriously. And we're always prepping for the next one. But welcome. It is 2026. We bring you historical disasters and failures. And I'm Taylor joined by Fars. And I don't know. We'll see what does disasters this year brings my you know uh my topic is not even going to be a disaster so people can be really happy next week when they tune in to hear it just for you taylor so you know you're going to have like a fun story oh yay that'll be exciting mine's kind of a disaster great i'll tell you by it um you ready yeah let's do it so i was in new york city oh i love new york city i told you this you know

this um i did so many freaking fun things um while the whole time was doing it i was like Fars would hate this, but I will, if when I take you to New York City, we won't do the things that I did over Christmas. If it's, as long as it's not Broadway shows. Exactly. We did Broadway shows. We went ice skating in the park. It was so fun, but it was so fucking crowded.

We saw the Rockefeller tree. It was just like wall to wall people. It was cold. It was crowded. I wouldn't take you to do any of those things when I take you to New York finally. But, but I wanted to tell a New York story just because I don't know what brought this came into my head, but I was in New York. because I was thinking about it.

And I'm not even going to make you guess. I'm going to tell you the story of typhoid Mary. Oh, this is a good one. This is a really good one. I like this. So, oh, man, this is my last tissue. My nose is running. Oh, it's probably also because I just finished.

Oh, we got sick, of course, on vacation. Like, it's going to happen. We, like, wore masks on the plane. We always, like, try to just to, like, not be a person who does that. But then, like, my nephew was, like, project out coughing over everyone, and everyone got sick. course. But I also, about typhoid Mary, I read a book called Fever. It's a historical novel. It's fine. I didn't read it recently. I read it a long time ago. But also, but recently I did finish two years ago, the stand, which I know, did I tell you I was reading that? No. That's the Stephen King

one, right? Yeah. But also one where like as soon as someone sneezes, you're like, oh, you know, that's like, it's a plague end of the world story. I remember during COVID, someone was like, this is just like the stand. And Stephen King was like, it is not get vaccinated. Because the stand involves a magic. So no. But typhoid Mary passed typhoid fever, which is not typhus. If I accidentally say typhus, I don't mean it. It's typhoid fever. But never got sick herself. She's responsible for 51 infections and three confirmed to deaths, if not more, probably more. Definitely more. Definitely more. So there's parts of the story where I have some sympathy for her, and parts where I absolutely do not. So I'll tell you when I don't.

And you can let me know if you agree or disagree. There's also, I also learned today on Wikipedia, there's a Marvel villain named Typhoid Mary or Bloody Mary, and that's cool. Yeah, there was a wrestler named Typhoid. I can't remember his name. It was Typhoid something. Fun. Yeah. So our Typhoid Mary was, of course, not named that at birth. Her mother didn't name her Typhoid Mary. Her mother named for Mary Malin. She was born September 23rd, 1869 in Cookstown, County, Tyrone, Ireland. So she emigrated to the United States around 1884 when she was 15. So she's an Irish immigrant to the United States in New York City where we can only assume

everyone is racist towards her because it was be racist towards white people. That was before Irish weren't white. Yes, exactly, exactly. And my brother was talking to this overbreak, how he went to Italy. He's like, people in the north of Italy are still so racist as people in the south of Italy. And I'm like, I know. They're all Italians. Like, it doesn't.

People everywhere are crazy racist. Americans are the only ones who pointed out. I know. For all. So she moves to New York and she becomes a maid, which makes sense. She's just with some of her family becomes like a live and maid. I'm thinking like gangs of New York style. So cute.

Yeah. And she eventually becomes a cook in New York. and being a cook, it's a good job. You have to be inside. You are warm. If you are like a laundress, more like a maid, you're always like kind of wet and dirty. But if you're a cook, you're like, are, you know, an important part of the household. You get paid well.

And Mary is good at it. She can cook all sorts of things. And she especially makes this like ice cream and fresh peach dessert that everybody really like. So like, she's good at it. And people like her. So she has these jobs as a cook. But then around 1900. So she's been in the United States, like five years.

Something starts to happen around Mary. So in 1900, she's in Mameraneck, New York, which I could only assume is on Long Island, because it's called Mimarineck. I didn't look it up, but like, that's kind of ridiculous names that they name of their towns there. And she works, the family that she works for there gets typhoid fever. So what is typhoid fever exactly? It is a disease caused by Salmanilla N. Tarika bacteria. And when I clicked on that word on Wikipedia, it was chemistry. so too much but it's a bacteria um you get six to 30 days after you're exposed you can get not

everybody gets sick but you can you get like a high fever abdominal pain headaches some rose colored spots on your body you don't always die but like you can die like if you're like a weakened immune system that kind of thing um and then it only affects humans so animals cannot get sick with it and then also want to point out i'm not going to pull any punches typhoid is caused and spread by eating or drinking food or water contaminated with the feces of an affected person. That part I knew. That's how you get it. So it's common today in places where the water sucks.

You know, like in India, there's no water filtration. That's where the most cases in the world are today. But it's not, obviously not as common as it was in like the 1800s. Makes sense. Right. In history, some people who famously called. got typhoid fever. Emperor Augustus of Rome. Prince Albert, Victoria's husband, Tsar Nicholas. These people didn't die. Not everyone died for it, but these are people who

confirmed to have had it. William Henry Harrison, he was president, and he died because there was poop in the White House water. I don't know if you've told you yet before. There was like an outhouse of like a hill. Yeah. If even the president can get it from poopy water, it's like out there, you know. Stephen Douglas, the guy who ran against Lincoln died from it. Lincoln's son, William Lincoln died from it and so did Taylor Taylor Taylor's mom died from it as well so it's not like something that you only get when you're poor you just get so

sick that you die like you're like lose all your nutrients and like get sick you know you're like have diarrhea yourself to death I think oh geez okay you know so it's not good and you're Taylor yeah but so

meaning like it's not just like a poor people disease like anyone can get it at this point So that family in 1900 in Mimarinek, they get, they get it. In 1901, she's working at a four family in New York City. They all get sick. Then another family, and they all get sick. She's kind of changing jobs, but people are getting sick. And she doesn't seem to really notice.

Like, it's not really a thing that is that jarring because people are sick all the time. Can I ask you something that I doubt you've researched, but you might have educated guesses on? Mm-hmm. what was she not doing in the bathroom? She wasn't washing her hands. There's no way she was washing her hands. And did people know that you should wash your hands?

So at this point, I think that people do, but I don't think everyone knows. And I don't think it's something that you have to do, like, socially or understand, like, what it means. Mary definitely, even later, doesn't understand that that's part of the problem. because it's I feel like and I'm going to say this later but if it's like there's something that like you've never done before but it's making people sick like how do you understand that you know most of the time it's fine but sometimes it's not fine and you don't have a concept of germs like maybe the scientists do but like Mary does not okay especially not now especially not yet no one's told her anything like no one has said like if you wash your hands this would like be better no one like has that's just like you're cooking you're going to the bathroom you're like working all day long like that's that's it I have obsessively washed my hands me too like even right now like I pet the dog and I just feel my

hand is gross so I know like I have a mental clock of like what I've touched and when I've washed my hands and I know exactly when I can put my hands like put something in my mouth like I I don't get people who don't do that I don't understand it I don't either and I mean I have two intubacterial bottles on my desk like I definitely am always doing that as well and always washing my hands. But like, it just wasn't something that people did that often, but I also feel like it feels very like, duh, you know, like we were watching Lord of the Rings and Aragorn's hands are disgusting. Like, his nails are full of dirt and like all these things. And I'm like, ew, just wash your hands, you know, but like, I don't know.

Yeah, anybody who's listening, if you don't obsessively wash your hands, change that about yourself. Change that about yourself. Improve yourself. Make that a resolution for 26. At least wash your hands for free cook food. easy or eat or eat you know um so in by 1904 she's still working in houses in new york city she works for a lawyer named henry gilsley his he's very prosperous and his servants started to get sick but not the family um but the servants get sick because mary's cooking in the servant's quarters but like people haven't put that together yet so in 1904 she is in tuxedo park which is in like a part of a southern part of new york a little town um working over the summer

and I guess she's also in a laundry worker gets typhoid fever and dies there in 1904. So they think that she was a person who like, you know, gave that laundry worker typhoid fever and that person died. That laundry worker was blamed for like bringing it in after her death. She like didn't even like, they didn't connect it to Mary. Not yet. In 1906, she's an oyster by Long Island hired by a banker named Charles Henry Warren for a summer rental, which I'm imagining it's like almost Gatsby style you know summer rental in Long Island even now is nice as shit you know like so she has like this like nice house and but over the summer and again this is a good way to catch her even though like they weren't looking for her yet because it's short period of time she's not working there for like a year she's working there only over the summer you know so people over the summer get sick between August 27th and September 3rd 6 out of 11 people in the house get typhoid fever they get sick and the landlord is like okay this is crazy like that's like something wrong with my house you know like what is it a what is it

like i don't know i don't know if they had like the like is it mold is it bacteria is it a virus like whatever but like something is wrong what is it um and to be able to rent his house again he wants to make sure that like it's not the house so he hires a man named george soper to figure out the causes um and that's so we're in 1906 so this whole time mary is like well shit happens people get sick around me it's a gross time to be a alive, like not even thinking about it really is anything big. Like, it doesn't, it doesn't sound like it has occurred to her that something is happening around her. She's just, like, moving from job to job, like, anyone would in that time, you know? And there's probably, like, thousands of women

would do the exact same thing that she does. She must have smelled so bad. Walk around with shit all over her fingers, like, come on. But everyone's not bad. I mean, oh, think about time travel. Besides that you can't eat the food or drink the water, as everyone smells fucking terrible. It's true. You know, like, ugh. Everyone's mouth. there's like the teeth they're falling out, I can only imagine in all of history, you know. So after the Oyster Bay thing, George Soper is hired. He's an investigator, but he's a specifically an investigator for contagious diseases. And this is like an interesting time to do that because it's starting to figure this out.

He's a sanitation engineer and epidemiologist. And he has worked, you know, in a couple interesting places. Like later he'll work on the Spanish flu outbreak. He helped after the Galveston Hurricane in 1900 when there's a lot of of like standing water and people were getting sick and he's trying to figure out like why um in 1923 he will be appointed managing director of the american society for the control of cancer which later becomes the american cancer society so he's not out to like get anyone he's out to figure out why this is happening so he starts off with that house and like starts to kind of go backwards

and see other places where a lot of people got sick in one spot specifically with typhoid fever so he's like did anyone just get here to this house for this for this summer and they're like yes there's a new Irish cook her name is Mary and she's gone by then but he starts to trace back and find the places where she's worked

which isn't easy because it's so hard yeah so it's not like he's looking at her like tax forms you know like they could find all your jobs out or like her LinkedIn you know like yes I know presumably there are not other

outbreaks of typhoid fever because everybody else has a common decency to wash shit off their hands before making food for others fair a couple of things have to be true you have to um not wash your hands in like a certain way which i don't think is only mary doing that but you also have to be a non a non symptomatic carrier of the disease which mary is So she has typhoid in her body, but she's never gets sick. So other people, if you were like, oh, I'm running a fever and have a little spots over myself, maybe I'll take a pause from cooking because I obviously have typhoid, you know? So that's it. So she doesn't have any symptoms and she never does.

So she never like exhibits any symptoms of having this disease, but she's carrying it. So that's kind of what makes it even harder for her to believe and, like, worse for her. Because she's like, I don't know what you're talking about. I am not sick. You know, but they're like, you are sick in your body. You just can't feel it. Yeah. You know.

Got it. So he also notes that like if she's cooking food that gets cooked and gets, like, heated, it's fine. But if she cooks something raw, that's when it's going to be like a little bit worse, obviously. And that, those, that peaches and ice cream thing that she's a specialty of. That's probably it, the thing that they give the people the disease. So he finds her in March 1907, and he, like, confronts her at her apartment, and she's, like, not happy. She's like, what on earth are you talking about? Like, what am I in trouble for?

He brings a woman with him a doctor named Sarah Josephine Baker. I just looked up, and I just looked up at a propaganda page as well, but she seems cool. So she said that Mary threatened her with a knife when she, like, tried to confront her. And Sarah Josephine Baker was also the first woman appointed as a professional representative to the League of Nations, which is a bunch of cool accolades. She just seems fun. I just wanted to mention that she was there, too, helping SOPR. Soper published later in June 15th, 1907, in the Journal of the American Medical Association. This is what he said about finding Mary. He said, quote, it was found the family changed cooks on August 4th. This is the one in Oyster Bay. This was about three weeks before the typhoid epidemic broke out. The new cook, Malin, remained in the family only a short time and left about three weeks after the outbreak occurred. Malin was a described as an Irish woman about 40 years of age, tall, heavy, single, and she seemed to be in perfect health. So that's how he, like, found her. He was like, this is who she is. So they

go to her apartment, they confront her. He's like, listen, of the eight families you've worked for, seven of them have gotten typhoid fever. Everyone, she's like, everyone's stuck around here. It's not a big deal. They have to eventually get her boyfriend. His name is Raymond Hoobler to convince her to give them samples of her urine and feces just to check. They're like, we just want to check to see if you are a carrier of this disease. And this is all brand new. So just like to your other point, like, she's a healthy carrier. And that's not something that people have, like, heard of before.

Like, the thing isn't new, but knowing about it is, you know? Yeah, and that's still the case. I think I remember somebody, I heard somebody who had, like, HIV or was able to give people HIV, but didn't actually happen or something. It's really weird. I don't totally understand a concept. Yeah, I don't really understand why, but, like, that's basically. basically so like a healthy carrier is is new the idea of washing your hands like at least for mary

is is new um the idea of germs all these things is all new and in the kitchen staff in new york city like it's just she's doing everything everybody else does but she feels like she's being singled out and she's pissed she's like this isn't fair yeah it's not fair but it's true you know the the path is there the evidence is there so they they do find the typhoid fever like salmonella bacteria in her. And on March 19, 1907, they quarantined her to the Riverside Hospital on North Brother Island. So it's an island up between Queens and the Bronx. It's a hospital for people with contagious diseases. And Mary doesn't feel like she has contagious disease, remember? So she's just like there, but like quarantined, but like doesn't feel sick. Currently, the Riverside Hospital

on North Brother Island is abandoned, but you can see it from like the shore and it's cool. It's like covered in trees. And the current mayor of North Brother Island is Zohan, Mom, Daddy. I just wanted to add that as a fun. No. Because it's, it's New York. It's part of New York. Okay. That's a good thing to happen this year. So, okay, she's not arrested, but she's forced to be there. So she's pissed. You know, like, I'm not under arrest, but I'm forced me at this hospital and I'm not sick. So, like, what am I doing here? They suggest a couple of things. They said, we can remove your gallbladder because we're pretty sure that the bacteria is in there and then you can go back to work. But she's like, no, you can't just give me the surgery. I don't understand that's

potentially fatal because it's like 19-07, you know. Is that true if they removed your gallbladder? Possibly, but like they weren't sure, but they were like, we can try this. And she's like, no, which I think is fair. Yeah, I'd probably say no. You know, so she's there for three years for this quarantine. There's a picture of her in bed. Like, if you Google her in the thing and she has like her hair up and she has her arms crossed and she's laying in bed and she's glaring at the camera she looks pissed you know so you can only imagine how mad she was this entire fucking time but she's the press starts calling her typhoid mary during this time um some doctors are like i don't know you can probably let her go i don't i don't know the details behind this

but like soper's like no i really think that this is a thing again like doctors disagree it's all pretty new um in 1909 she sues the health department and loses. And, you know, they're constantly testing her. And there is a report that, like, they tested her, like her samples 163 times and 120 times they came back positive for typhoid fever. So, like, it's definitely still in her. Yeah, she's the problem. Yeah. She doesn't believe it. Like, she never really believes it. On February 19th, 1910, she promises never to be a cook again and to wash her hands. So they let her go. Let her go back to New City. Because, like, they have no reason. they have no real legal reason to keep her there, you know, they just like assume that she's this thing, which she is, but she also like, they also like can't just keep her there against her will.

So she says, I won't be a cook anymore and they let her go. And that's where I have like a little bit of sympathy for her. So, you know, she's been on quarantine for three years. She goes back to New York City and she now has to take a shit job. So she long she becomes a laundress and doing laundry pays. like, you know, roughly $20 a month versus $50 a month being a cook. So she's making less than half of what she's making before. She ends up hurting herself because it's like a physical, more physical of a job. She can't work for a few months.

So it sucks. And if someone's like, you can no longer do your job for reasons that you don't understand, even though we've told you this a bunch of times, you don't believe it, but you have to take a shitty job and you have to, you know? So she's like, obviously not happy. Like the last couple years have been really shitting. Counterpoint. Stop being gross.

Like, it's not that hard. No, 100%. That's my tiny bit of sympathy, and then she loses me immediately after this. She does the thing again, doesn't she? She does it again. And she never fucking washes her hands because it keeps happening. So she goes back to cooking under a fake name. And almost everywhere she works, people get typhoid fever.

I'm like, Mary, or in all caps, Mary, what the shit? She works in houses, hotels, and spas under a different name every time. time and she had to keep moving because people kept getting sick so like this is happening it's happening like what what is what is wrong with you it's definitely happening then this is where she absolutely loses me as a sympathetic character in history in 1915 she goes to work at the fucking Sloan hospital for women and you know what's at that hospital pregnant women and babies and i wrote 25 people get sick and two die you fucking bitch like adults fine Fine. Kids? Absolutely fucking not. You're going to go to a place with babies and with your fucking poop hands and get everyone sick? No.

So gross. It makes me so mad. So like you don't, I know, I know that maybe she didn't understand the science. Like that's like the thing. But all of you just wash your hands. That's like, that's like, you don't have to understand the science. I don't know how gravity works. I'm just like, cool. I'm just not going to jump off like a building. And it's like the proof is there. It's like behind her. She's just like not getting it and like not taking it. seriously, even if, you know, it's just people are still getting sick. So if she's washing her hands, she's not doing it well enough, you know, all the things. So there's obviously a pattern and just know. So the chief obstetrician at the hospital calls it an export and of course it's sober. He's our hero. He comes back in. He's like, Mary, you fucking bitch. Like, I knew this was you, this whole time. He knows her description and her handwriting. He's like, it's her. She's cooking again under a name because he had kind of lost track of work. She was

like hiding in New York City and that's easy to do in 1910. So, on March 27th he finds her on March 27th 1915 he sends her back to the island for the rest of her life she never leaves they give her a little cottage that she gets to live on and she like has a dog and like whatever at one point a doctor comes in and gives her a job washing dishes which is wild

that you would have this woman wash dishes in your lab I'd be like I don't want her touching anything even in soapy water no but she so in 1915 she gets put there for good in 1932 she has a stroke and she moves from her little cabin to the actual hospital because now she actually does need does need care and she dies on November 11th 9 no it can't be oh yeah 1969 seriously no 1939 that can't be 1939 of pneumonia there was no autopsy

and she was cremated it's 1938 38 yeah so she just dies there after living there for for, you know, 30 years or so, or how long, 15 years by herself. I'm going to throw out another option. She could have had, like, a developmental disability. She could have been mentally disabled. That's true. Because I can't, because I can't fathom somebody absent, like, an aggressive mental illness being, like, either you wash your hands or you just go to jail for 30 years. I'm like, you know what, man, jail sounds better.

And, like, she was never, like, arrested, really, but she was, like, forced to stay there. And so there's, like, the stuff in, like, history is, like, was that fair? And I'm like, yeah, actually, I think she should have been arrested. You know, like, she was the first healthy carrier that was, like, found in the press. Yeah, she, like, decided to kill people. Yeah. Like, even if you don't understand, if I was, like, farce, every time you snap your finger, someone could possibly die, you would stop stepping your fingers, you know? Especially if you saw it happen, you wouldn't be like, oh, I don't believe you, you know.

And especially after like the pattern over and over again, if you have to leave your job because people are dying. Like how did she have a boyfriend? Like how, who was this? Who was this prize? Like what did he look like? I mean, in the picture of her, she looks pissed. I think she looks pretty. But like, you know, still I think, you know, she, um, I mean, she, it was like a, the, the, it's brand new.

Nobody knows what it is. when you believe that these people, you are, you know, you're living a rough life, all those things are excuses until they're not anymore, you know, and then they're not anymore. And then you go work in a fucking hospital with babies and I hate you. Yeah. There needs to be accountability. Yeah. Well, good. I'm glad she died in quite isolation. Me too. Me too. I'm glad that she, you know, had to be put away. I mean, she had to be because she couldn't do it. I'm glad she didn't like leave and go across the country and just get people sick everywhere that's a bummer it's wild it's wild yeah somebody that anti-washing their hands oh man just i kept playing

images of her making like a peach and vanilla ice cream with those poop hands and i just make myself sick not good with those poop hands the lord also we should go visit that abandon asylum. I mean, we should visit lots of abandoned asylums. We should. It sounds really, really fun. I want to find one when you come visit Austin in February. Let's do it. Well, thank you for sharing that. For some reason, I thought we're so deep in the amount of episodes we have that I was like, did we do this before? I know. I almost thought that we did too, but I don't think

that we did. I don't know. Let's find out. I don't think so. No, we didn't. I looked at up what you were talking. Oh, good. Thank you. Yeah. sweet well thank you for sharing we have any lists for me out today we do i have one a note from nadine she was uh she sent me a cute note she was preparing her christmas dinner and listening to the jazz man or x-man jazz man episode and she agrees with your theory that it sounds it feels like it feels like it like we're going to threaten some groceries like hey look things that people are being threatened they have to be protected you know yeah yeah yeah i mean to that theory nadine yeah yeah You and I, we're going to start a new podcast and discover or solve this cold case.

It'll be really fun. Cool. That's it. Thank you, Nadine. Nadine and I talk on Instagram, but you can, you can DM us on Instagram. You can email us, doom to Philpod at gmail.com. You can find us on all the social media, and you can tell your friends. Please tell your friends.

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and we will join y'all again next. We have a great 2026. Thanks, Taylor. Thanks.