Doomed to Fail - Ep 231: We remember you! - Pluto (formerly the planet)

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

Let's talk about space!! We do have small panic attacks thinking about how Jupiter is huge and always raining. But, we're focusing on the little guy - Pluto! We'll talk about when he was discovered, who he was named after, and how he got demoted.  "Pluto is a planet" - Jerry Smith Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In the matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortenthall James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask what your country can do for you. There goes. Hey, Taylor, how are you? Good. How are you? Good. I haven't moved in a week.

That's, you know what? As long as you're happy. I am happy. Thank you. Great. You said it's raining over there? Yeah, so I live on top of a big hill. That's like next to our mountain.

in the last couple days, we were, like, in the cloud. And after, like, three days of being in a cloud, it's, like, disturbing and weird. Like, you can't see anything outside. Like, you can't see the end of the driveway. Like, you can see absolutely nothing. And then, like, at night, I, like, would walk out in the backyard, and it was really cool. Because it was just, like, you know, you walk 30 feet from the house. And you can't see the house anymore.

And you're just, like, in fog. And it was cool. But we finally saw a little bit of sun today. And then it started to rain again. But we can at least see again out. But it's cool. I saw the biggest rainbow I've ever seen. I, like, lost my mind.

I screamed till everyone came and saw it. So it was nice. I am really into, so as I mentioned, I went to New Mexico recently. And man, that desert scape is, there's something to that. Like the colors that come out of the desert escape are kind of remarkable. Yeah, that's really pretty. The pinks, bald pinks. So I really enjoyed it.

That's lovely. That's great. Glad you're out of the cloud and in the rain. So, well, do you want to go ahead and introduce us? Sure. Hi, everyone. Welcome to doomed to fail. We're bringing historical disasters and failures. And today, as far as this turn, he told me he doesn't have a disaster or a failure. No, I have something pleasant and cute.

I love that. Yes. I'm excited. I'm ready. I'm going to be covering a thing that isn't the thing we think it is anymore, but it has a very cute, rich and chaotic history. And it is Pluto. The planet? You can't do all that. You can't call that anymore, Taylor. The dwarf planet? There it is.

Cool. What a cutie pie. It is a cutie pie. So we're going to talk about the discovery, why it was even discovered in the first place. It's rise to the ninth planet that Taylor and I are old enough to have had to memorize. A thousand percent. Which kids now will never understand. And what happened to it?

Like, why don't we recognize it as a planet anymore? Why is it as what Taylor is called it? dwarf planet. So it's a lot of fun facts, a lot of fun history. I mean, kids still learn about it, but they just don't. I'm going to say if you tell me how many dwarf planets are. Do your kids actually still learn about it? Yeah. Absolutely. Well, we also just watch the Rick and Morty where Jerry goes to Pluto and tells when there's still a planet and they're really excited about it and they think he's a scientist.

So that could be why we talked about recently, but I think that they talked about it before. They know a lot about space at this age. Okay. Yeah, there are a few dwarf planets. planets that we can get into. Well, not super in the details of because I don't, I'm going to get out of my death really fast, but we'll talk about Pluto in particular. So we're going to start in the early 20th century with a bit of a mystery. So astronomers had noticed that there were some little weird a wibblewobbles going on in Neptune's orbit, and they couldn't explain why that was happening. Neptune is the eighth planet from the sun, and years before,

its discovery, astronomers had noticed the exact same effect happening on Uranus, which is the one planet over from Neptune. Can I read them in order? I just look it up. Can I read them in order for? Yeah, go. Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune. Yeah, so furthest out being Pluto, then Neptune, then Uranus.

I hate Jupiter so much. Why? It's so big, and it's always, it's constantly thunderstorming. It's really scary. I think that that one thunderstorm has been going on for 700 years, and it's like bigger than Earth. It scares me so much. If I think about it, I get worried. And then also have you read the story all summer in a day?

Just if anyone remembers that from junior high, life ruining. Keep going. I just need a picture. And it's so much bigger than Earth. And it's just like constantly thunderstorming. Okay. So I'm going to do another shout out here. So there's a channel on YouTube called

boring space and it is this old English gentleman speaking in a very calming tone and the videos last for like two to four hours each and it's all just visuals of space so like it's very educational but also if you're needing something just like have on the TV as like white noise to go to sleep to, I put on my timer for the TV to an hour. I start watching that. I'm thrilled. I'm fascinated. It is the most awesome thing.

And then I'm asleep before I know it. Do you dream about space then? I don't really, I don't remember my dreams. Oh, that's too bad. Yeah. But anyways, people check these guys out there, but it's awesome. And also that's why on this topic, because I've been like in a weird space mode lately, like where the more you learn, the more you're like, I don't understand anything.

No, totally. So that's where I'm like. Which is like good to know. We don't know anything. Yeah, like don't, you know, just have that open mind. Be an open mind. Be an open mind. Be an open book. Well, so back to Uranus and Neptune.

So because we found Neptune, because of the Uranus will wobble, we thought that there was something behind Neptune further out from the sun. that could be causing the will wobbles there. That was the idea. And that's where the hypothesis came up of planet X, a planet that is lurking on the complete outer edges of the solar system with a gravitational pull sufficiently like tugging on other planets closer to the sun. That was the idea.

So here we'll introduce a guy named Percival Lowell. Percival came from a rich Boston family. And it sounds like he just had a lot of free time and his main passion was space and space exploration of astronomy. He was also like a very accomplished mathematician. I think he like was a Harvard professor of math at some point. What years is this? This would have been nine. Well, so first of all was born in 1859, I think.

But the year we're talking about is like 1906 times. Like literally like the beginning of the 1900s. Nice. Typhoid Mary is making everybody sick in New York City. And personal is learning about space. I love it. Beautiful. So, first of all, was also a very accomplished mathematician.

So he wasn't just something. He was like, I'm going to look at stuff in the sky and, like, be fascinated by it. Like, he was smart enough to try and figure things out mathematically, you know, one of those things. Which I don't understand at all. So he became obsessed with finding whatever it was in the galaxy that was causing this orbital disturbance on Neptune. And starting in 1906, Percival started searching for planet X and established the lowell observance. which is his observatory to help an aid in finding this planet X. He would eventually pass away 10 years later.

So 1906 he starts, 1916, he dies. And that's before Planet X was ever actually identified, which is weird and interesting and fun, because they actually did find it. They found it in 1915, and they just assumed they were looking at a star. They didn't know it was a planet. And like, we're talking like, we're looking at like a blurry dot in the middle of, like there's nothing.

Yes. Like, our galaxy is like crazy big and it's like nothing. Like asking the number of dwarf planets is stupid because the answer is a billion. But like, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I think that the most recent thing I heard was that they found so far they've identified 24 planets that are basically like Earth in the observable universe.

So there's probably billions more out there. Also, we don't actually know what's in our own galaxy. Like, we haven't actually figured all that out because, again, it's huge. So I'm going to get into that. Getting a little nervous. It's really weird. Yeah. So years later, we're in 1929, Percival's long dead.

And the task to find this planet X falls to an observatory assistant named Clyde Tombao, a 23-year-old kid from Kansas, a farm boy. He has no formal education, but he's just super into stars in space. It kind of sounds like the guy in charge of the observatory, the director, this guy named Vesto Melvin Sliffer, was kind of over this project. It was like, just let this kid do it. Who cares? You know? This is like when I don't understand this stuff at all, Taylor. Like, from what I can gather, this guy, Vesto, was into, like, much more grandiose issues that he was trying to address. So he is the one behind the main theory that proves that the universe is expanding.

And I understand how that's a job. I don't know either. I think it's, like, Grants or something. But, like, he discovered this thing called redshifting, which is, like, a physics term for electromagnetic radiation. and somehow you figure out where the magnets and the waves and the lights are, and that tells you that things are moving out. It's insane. Wow.

Anyways, back to Clyde. So he only had access to like a modest telescope at the Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona. Clyde undertook a painstaking search, and he systematically photographed sections of the night sky weeks apart and used a device. advice called a blink comparator to flip between images looking for any tiny dot that moved against the backdrop of the stars. And then after months of just, I guess, a ton of headaches, I have no idea how this guy did this. Clyde finally struck gold. On February 18th, 1930, he noticed a dim spec shifting position, and that was Planet X,

and Clyde was the one who discovered it. Also, I wrote this down in the outline, so before anybody asked, I researched how they know was the same thing and that it's not just a meteor or something else moving in the night sky. And it led me to a thing called apparent retrograde motion, which we mitigated based on a thing called opposition points. I have no idea what any of this means. Like, it is stupid science. Oh, the opposition points.

It's like, it is such advanced science. I mean, it's just, everything I say is going to be really dumb, but it's just so far away. It's like, I can't believe. they can even see it at all or anything, you know. I need science, Taylor, we got, we got, we got, we got, we got that hot take. I mean, no, I'm saying we need science because I don't understand any of this. And it's just wild how far away those things are. I'm not saying it's too far away to look at.

I'm saying it's so far away, I can't believe they can see it, you know? So I, in the middle of all this, I will admit, I like started researching like really nice telescopes and it would be cool to be able to see like a planet or something, you know? and like $5,000 will get you something that to your eye will look like one pixel of like a planet, like two planets away from us. Like it is like. I mean, we can see a lot of stars here. And like sometimes people are like, oh, you can see Mars or whatever. And I'm like, I guess.

I don't know anything. Yeah. Yeah. What do I know? So the observatory announced the discovery on March 13th, 1930. and then the next question became, what do we name this new planet? And some ideas weren't thrown around.

One of them that liked Minerva, which is like, that'd be cool. I like Planet X, that's scary. It's too intimidating. I know, I know. There was another one that was thrown out called Chronis, but apparently it was done by this guy named Thomas Jefferson Jackson C,

who was an astronomer that everybody hated. Every astronomer hated this guy. He was one of those guys who was like, right? He was like a Karen. He was just write letters to the editor and be like, nah, this is a bad. Like, it appears like, God, you're so annoyed. Just shut the fuck up.

And so they basically didn't do Kronis only because he suggested it. That's so funny. But then there was Pluto. And I did not know this. But in Greek mythology, Pluto is the ruler of the underworld. So I thought Hades was, apparently Hades is like the representative of the underworld. And Pluto is the actual god of the underworld. Oh.

And scientists thought, okay, well, you know, this planet is far out there. It's unreachable. hospitable and it's like hell whatever we'll call it that um the one problem with it was that there was a thing called pluto water and that was a very popular laxative brand at the time and its catchphrase was quote when nature won't Pluto will which typhoid mary probably use to kill a ton of people that's amazing the observatory because of the name Pluto water was like I don't, we don't like this association, let's not do it. But then this little girl, this 11-year-old English school girl, wrote in, her name was

Venetia Bernie. And she wrote in to the observatory saying, hey, I suggest the name Pluto. And they thought it was really cute. It was a cute story. A kid recommended it. All that something about with Pluto. So there'll be May 1st, 1930. The name Pluto was officially adopted, which is a fun coincidence, too, because it's the exact same year

that a short film called Frolicking Fish came out. starring Mickey Mouse's pet dog named Pluto. Total coincidence. Oh, that's interesting. But it does add to the cuteness, I think. It does, but that's weird. Yeah, total coincidence. Weird, huh?

I was wondering which came first, but they came at the same time. Yeah, random. So for the next several decades, Pluto enjoyed its status of the ninth planet, the most distant member of the planets in the solar system. system. Early on, Pluto didn't match the other planets. It was kind of like different and odd. And for one of the reasons it was odd, it was really small. So by the 1970s, scientists realized, I can't raise my hand. Yeah, please. I have one more note. The mascot for Pluto water is the devil. No, that is Pluto because Pluto is the god. But it's also the devil, right? It is also the devil. And the same thing. Yes.

It's just very aggressive to have on your bottle. Please continue. I mean, it's descriptive. If it's a really good laxative, like you do feel like you're giving birth to the devil. Huh. I found a picture of Houdini in front of a picture of the Pluto water. Anyway, keep going.

We'll keep going. So the size of Pluto, it is about one, one 450 ninth the size of Earth's mass, roughly 150 Pluto's could fit inside the Earth. And besides that, the orbit of Pluto was also really different enough. And for the vast majority of planets around the sun, we just all orbit around the equator center part, right? Pluto doesn't do that.

It's highly elliptical and tilted. It's inclined about 17 degrees off a flat plane. also a year in Pluto lasts 248 earth years because its orbits huge because it's so far out from the sun it also spins backwards which is like weird and then there's a matter of Pluto's moon so for decades we didn't know that Pluto had a moon it was 1978 when an astronomer named James Christie discovered that Pluto has a moon that we now call charon and it's also weird because the is half as big as the planet itself. They're sometimes referred to as double planets.

And they also don't orbit around, like, their own center of gravity. They orbit around a middle. Like, they're pulling each other into a gravitational twist. Like, they're always facing each other and pulling each other into a twist. Because the moon so big. Because the moon's huge. Yeah. I think I get that.

Yeah. We understand things. That makes sense to me. So for decades after Clyde's discovery, it was assumed that Pluto was the only, you know, only thing that was out that far from the sun and the galaxy. It would take until 1951, an astronomer named Gerard Kuiper hypothesized that a whole belt of icy objects might exist out past Neptune, and it took a couple more decades and more like

powerful telescopes to prove him right. So it was 1992, two astronomers finally spotted a icy body orbiting beyond Pluto, and that is what we now call the Kuiper belt. So, yet the sun, the planets, and then on the very edges of space, you have this, like, giant belt rotating around everything that is just a bunch of, like, ice everywhere. And that's not even close to, like, the event horizon. An event horizon is a black hole. Isn't, then what is the part where we'll never be able to see?

So we'll, I don't know, but. if we never will be able to see. I thought there was like a place where like if something passes a certain spot, we'll never, please can all of the rocket scientist's astronaut. Yeah, you're talking about a black hole. So a black hole. I don't think I'm talking about a black hole. You are.

I'm not talking about the end. Is the whole end of the universe all one big black hole? No, no, no. Yeah, you can't ever see. I get what you're saying. You can never see the end of the universe because light can never travel as fast as the universe is expanding, so it'll never actually reach our eyeballs. But an event horizon is the part of a black hole right before everything gets sucked into the black hole, which even light doesn't escape.

And it's also an amazing movie. One of the best one of the best one movies ever made. Please watch it. Support event horizon, please. The observable horizon is where light from the Big Bang hasn't reached us yet? Yes. That's the furthest from us, yeah. It's a physical limit created by time and expansion.

Yes. Which if you want, you should watch the light year episode of boring space because that discusses why light has a speed limit and why the universe expands faster than that speed limit. Which I could explain to anybody here. I know all the physics, but I just don't have time. I literally couldn't even think of the word for someone who studies stars while we were talking. I said astronaut. Keep going. It's close.

It's close to know. So over the 1990s and early 2000s, hundreds of other Kuiper belt objects were discovered. Their sizes ranged. Some of them were huge. Some of them were relatively small. And the more we learned about them, the less Pluto seemed unique. It wasn't like an isolated thing. All of a sudden it was like, oh, there's a ton of these things that are out there in this Kuiper Belt.

And a pivotal moment came in 2005 when a team led by astronomer Mike Brown discovered an object named Aris. Ares appear to be the same size as Pluto, orbiting even further out. So if Pluto is a planet, why not ERIS? And if both are planets, then why not the other large icy objects out by the Kuiper Belt? So what do we do? Do we just go from nine planets to 10 to dozens or hundreds? Like, where do you actually, what do you stop and what do you identify what is a planet? So scientists wanted to figure this out in 2006, they came together for the meeting of the International Astronomical Union.

IAU in Prague and they basically tried to get to put together a way to define planets in a way that was universal and there was two options one was a way to define it such that you kept Pluto as a planet but then you'd also have to add three other planets you'd have to add charon the moon for Pluto that we talked about you have to add eris and you have to add another asteroid called cirrus just giving it to everyone give it to everyone at that point it's like what what value does it have, right? Like, I was at the airport, and the line for TSA pre-check was longer than the regular line. It's just like that.

If everyone's special, then no one's special. You're all special if you're listening to this. So after much debate, final vote was tallied on August 24th, 2011 6th, and they came with a definition that would demote Pluto from planet to dwarf planet. And a true planet would be one, an object that orbits the sun. two, is large enough for its gravity to pull it into some sort of a round shape. And three, it had to have cleared the neighborhood around its orbit of like other debris. Like it had to be, have a strong enough gravitational pull to have done that.

And Pluto met the first two criteria. It orbits the sun and its round, but it failed the third because it shares its orbital zone with a lot of the debris and the Kuiper Belt. For what it's worth, from what I researched, when I was researching this, the Earth also wouldn't classify as a planet if it was that far out. So like, if we were that far away from the sun? Yeah. Like, I don't know.

Like, I don't know. Like, it seems... Like, remember when Miles asking me what the name of our moon was? And I was like, it's just the moon and other moons have names. Like, we made it all up. So, like, yeah. Yeah, it's all made up. Science ourselves out of being a planet. Yeah. Yeah. What a rip. We could have had 12 planets. Instead, we have eight.

So obviously there was public outcry. You might remember this. Now, like, people are aged to remember, like, memes of when I was your age, Pluto was a planet. Like, it was, like, a cultural thing. Actually, the American dialect society crowned Plutoed, the meaning being to, like, demote or devalue something. It's the 2006 word of the year.

It's kind of fun. Also, you know. That just seems like extra mean. It does. Well, it's all coming out of sentiment for Pluto, I think. One thing I found interesting, and it proves how long Yildegras-Tyson has been at this thing. If you all don't know, he's like a very, very famous astronomer, and he does a lot of, he has space talk on YouTube and on podcast, which is also really fun to listen to and watch. And also he gets interviewed 24-7, so he's great.

He in the year 2000 was the director of the Hayden Planetarium in New York, I guess it's in New York City. Right. And in 2000, he himself ordered to remove Pluto as part of the planet exhibit. So he was like, he was always in this category of like, it's not a real planet. So with his little sags, I like don't grass dice him. Well, I just, I feel like it should be, I learned the terrible history of the term grandfathered in, which you can look up on your own, it's terrible. But I think he should have been grandfathered in.

Man, I cannot stop thinking about why. it is the word, I hate that you just said that because my literally going to be thinking about this as I go through the rest of this outline, so thank you. So in also ironically, timing-wise, in 2006, NASA launched a spacecraft to Pluto called New Horizon. And the whole point of which, it was going to do a fly-by, a pass-by,

and try and collect as much data as it possibly could. And it took nine years for New Horizon to reach Pluto. And as it did, one thing that that was really fun and cool was that they put the ashes of Clyde Tomba, the guy who discovered Pluto on the spaceship. Yeah, it was really fun. That's terrifying. So it launched in 2006.

It got to Pluto in 2015. And all it was able to do is kind of do a little flyby and take some photographs and do some measurements, which it did. And the first images were incredible. Have you Googled Pluto? I was just looking at it. I see some of the pictures that you just have. Okay. It is the cutest thing in the world. It has a heart on it. Like it literally has a heart. Like it is really adorable. And then that's part of the surface that we can see that we saw on this flyby from New Horizon. And it's just an ice giant. It has apparently volcanoes. that throw out slush and ice.

It's like a wild place. Also, we think that there's like oceans of water underneath all the ice, which is like crazy. It's got to be so scary. But the biggest and most interesting fact I thought was that Neptune or Pluto, this planet X that was supposed to have this gravitational pull on Neptune to make it wobble. It wasn't doing that at all. Like that's not the reason why it was having the wibble-wobble situation with its orbit. apparently what happened is that every 11 years, the sun starts flipping its magnetic field.

Did you know that? You didn't know? Okay. You're muted, but I'm going to assume you're going to say you say you did not know that. Sorry. No, I hate it. And I don't know what that means for us, but I don't like it. It means really.

When I Google Pluto. No, God. I'm so sorry. The heart on Pluto can, you can also superimpose Pluto of the dogs face and hop a van if it's. Really? That's so cute. Yeah, I'll just send you link.

It is very cute. Yeah, I learn this too. So apparently, every 11 years, the sun's magnetic field flips. And then there's periods of, like, crazy violence and mass chronol, chronal mass ejects and solar flares, like it gets like really, like it affects us on Earth. Like it affects like electronics and it affects the weather.

Like it's like really gnarly. It also, fun fact, so that's what's causing the disturbance that is resulting in the wibble wobble of Pluto or Neptune. And also, if you're curious, we are currently in solar cycle 25, where midflip,

which started in December 2019. So it's not fun. Hmm. Huh. So it spends time flipping, then it flips back. Yeah. Yeah, there's a full flip, and then it starts again. And it goes to the other, it's wild.

Wild. So, yeah, it affects everything. It affects our weather. It affects our, like, everything. Like, yeah, like, the more you learn, the more you realize you don't know anything. And the more terrifying space becomes. It's just too far away. I just don't like it.

I know. It's too far. That's it. That was my story. Well, that reminds me of some of, you know, mail that we got also from our friend Nadine. But because remember I was like, well, what holidays are real? Like New Year's, I guess because there's like a date on it, whatever.

But like I was, I'm stupid. And I was, I keep saying that. But like, you know what I mean? Because I was like, oh, duh. Like holidays are about like the solstice and the sun and things like that. You know? So like they like follow up those patterns as well. So like it's just like I feel like I kind of wish I like just believed that there was

just like a sun god that like walked around every day. and then like I could just live with that. But be terrifying. I'd rather not have that. I'd rather have Apollo with the chariot go over the freaking sky every day and then have to know that Pluto is so far away and so remember that there's ice oceans on it. I don't want to know that. I don't want to know the things I know about Jupiter and it's very little, but I don't want to know those things. You should listen to the boring space one about like the size of different things in the universe

because once you go outside of the Milky Way galaxy and you're like, things are gnarly out there. There's places where you can fit like a million suns inside of them and they're like bigger than our son. There's one black hole. I forgot where it's at or what like galaxy it's in that's bigger than the Milky Way galaxy. And you're like, I don't even understand what that means.

Like it means you put the entirety of everything we know. What is it doing out there? Like why? I don't know. That's why I wish I didn't know. It like makes me, It makes like my collarbone hurt. Like that's the feeling I get when I think about space too much.

Like I get anxiety like up here and like the top of my chest is like where I get like, I know. The more I've like looked into it. I think it's Thomas Jefferson that was a deist. Do you remember this from like high school education or whatever? I don't know. What does that mean? What do you mean?

It was like it was like it's this religion where there's no like saints or whatever. You just like fix it on like a god started every. thing and they just like left. And I'm like, that kind of makes, I don't get what happened before the stuff happened. Like, how did it start? That's what I'm saying. What's on the other side of it? Don't know.

And that's what I'm happening again. I'm getting that anxiety. I'm a color about it. Like what you said like with the edge of space or whatever, like, okay, what's past that? Right. Okay, I looked it up. We can't see it because light hasn't reached it yet. I know, but I'm saying if the universe is expanding, what's it expanding into?

I don't know. Like, what's outside of that? Not dragons. It's dragons. It's got to be. I don't know what else. It's so freaky, the more you think about it. It really is.

I hate thinking about it. Like, it's cool, but almost it is like, it's too much for me. Yeah, it's hard to come behind. The Lightgear one is fast. saying the one the light year one that the boring space guy did is like really interesting because it's like you can't even you can't even understand what a light year is like your brain will even one and then there's talking about like oh this one's 13 billion light years away it's like what i don't even like that makes don't those are that's not even a number it's crazy

anyways that's my story pluto if you think it should be a planet tell us if you think it shouldn't be a planet tell us if you're um unopinionated also tell us I feel like they did it dirty by making it like a negative word of something being like demoted. I think it's kind of cute. I think it like shows that we cared about it so much that we were like, you sullied this thing that we like. This beautiful, tiny thing. To be fair, they did that before they knew there was a heart on it.

If they saw the heart, they probably would have kept it. That's fair. That's fair. So cute. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of listener mail, so far nobody has emailed in that they've been reading Romanticie books just like me.

But if you've been meaning to and you have an opinion on ERIS, if you know you know, right in. I won't talk to you about it. That's what I'm going to say. I'm a hand up. You mean the dwarf planet I just mentioned? Nope. I mean, the person in the books.

If you know, you know. Oh, my God. It is. Cool. Thank you. That was fun. I can see it. Right? I can't let that at the same time.

Yeah. It's wild. Sweet, do we have any listener mail? No, I kind of peppered it in. All right. But please email us. Dumb tofell pod at gmail.com. You can Instagram message me.

We're on all the social media. You can tech-tac message me. I'm sure tech-tac messages. And we'll figure it out. I'd love to hear of you. What are your thoughts? Yeah, do any topics, loads now? Do you know what's beyond beyond?

Do you like the movie Adventurizing? Do you think what's beyond the edge of the edge of the? universe is like a weird naked sexy hell. Because that's what happens in the movie. That is, what do you do? You watch, did you watch that erotic fanfic? It was a horrible. There's a whole part of an event horizon where they're like all having sex with each other and

also pulling off each other's arms and eating them. Where's the sexy part of that? They're eating each other's eyeballs. But in like a erotic way. Oh, God. I'm never watching a movie with you. Fine. We don't have to. Fine.

All right. Right to us, To assume to fall pod at gmail.com. All the socials. And we'll join you all again next week. Thank you. Thanks, Taylor.