Doomed to Fail - Ep 239: Parasocial murder - Grant Amato

Episode Date: March 16, 2026

Today, we learn about Grant Amato - a former nurse (dishonorably discharged) and dude in love with a 'cam girl' - so in love that he stole a TON of money from his family and also murdered them.   I worry about the people who are in love with their Chat GPT. Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In the matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortlandall James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow American, what your country can do for you. And we're back, and I will say after I learned that the time switch happened, and since we talk last, I am not tired and sleepy. Now you feel like last, you don't feel insane. I'm not feeling insane. Yeah, exactly, which is a good thing for me. But, yes, we are here. We're back.

I'm going to tell you all another fun story today. Taylor, do you want to introduce this? Sure. Welcome to doomed to fail. We bring you historical disasters and failures. I am Taylor, joined by Fars, and today it's Fars' turn. It is my turn. And Taylor, for anybody who didn't see, cut this, like, fun little promo thing about, like,

our history and, like, why we started doing this, what the whole point of it was, which it sounds like you did a 20-minute version, which I didn't see. I saw, like, a 22-minute version. Minute version is just, like, the episode. I released an episode of me talking about our, like, 20 years-year-so women's history stories. And then from that, I recorded just, like, the video of me doing it and then put that into a thing and made a clip of it. Well, one of the things that you touched on there worth referencing, the whole point of this was to talk about, like, relationships that were doomed to fail. Like, it should have been obvious.

or like to the person or to a society or whatever. And that kind of inspired me. I was like, you know what? I'm going to go like four roots to the whole point of us and talk about a relationship. I'm going to use relationships and quotes here, but a relationship that was getting to fail. And it's a, it's not a fun one, but it'll be interesting.

So also, I think it's topical. Like, you have a lot more shit to worry about, but I do because you have kids. And I have no. I have no idea what their world is going to look like when it comes to like the social, digital, parisocial elements. It seems like society's just like running headfirst into this. And it could be a little bit fraught for some people. It does.

Which is what we're going to say here. So I'm going to start my story. I'm going to kind of lay the groundwork for it. Okay? Yeah. It's 11.32 p.m. on January 24th, 2019. someone plugged a thumb drive

into a computer inside a house in Chulutua, Lorda, definitely didn't say that right. The thumb drive contains over 500

photographs of a woman, a Bulgarian woman named Sylvia Vetsisalava, though the person who collected these images knows where only is Selby.

Sylvie is a cam model. Okay. Which is a performer on an adult site which we'll get into here a little bit. The whole point of it is that men pay by the minute for women usually to talk to them or to do stuff on video in front of them.

I got it. Okay. This person bugs in the thumb drive who prosecutors say had just executed three members of his own family, but he did not flee. He didn't call 911. He didn't.

not try to stage a crime scene or destroy evidence. Not at this point yet. First, he sat down and saved photos of Sylvie. That's our prophet that we kind of teed us up. This guy's name is Grant Amato. And in 2019, he was about 29 years old. He was a nurse who became a family annihilator, and we're going to dig into how his obsession

over a parasycial relationship he had with a woman across the world that's the death of three people. So let's get into the family. So there are five members of the family, including Grant, who is going to be the subject of our story. There's Jason who's not going to be relevant here for the most part. He's a half-sibling. And you have Cody, Grant's brother, and the parents, Chad, and Margaret Amato. Okay, so it's not his family, but it's not his family.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's technically Chad and Margaret's family. Right. It's not like his kids. Yes. It's like, what is that? like your first family. The ones who go above you.

Yeah, okay. Not the nuclear family, the nuclear family that your nuclear family spawned off from. Right. We'll carry up. First one. I see. I get it.

So Chad Amato, he was a dad. He was 59 years old and he worked as a clinical pharmacist, Margaret Amato, she was 61. She was an operations manager at some nearby company. I don't really know what that is, but that's what she did for a living. They're professionals, all that good stuff. Cody, the brother, he was 31,

and he was a nurse anesthesiologist or a nurse anesthesist. Neffatheist. Whatever. Sure. It is seizure at Orlando Regional Medical Center. And then you have Grant, the youngest. Both boys are both nurses. Yeah.

And Grant at that time, like I said, you were 229 years old, he was also a nurse. Cody was kind of the golden child in the family. He was just like a happy-go-looking guy. He had a girlfriend. The family adored the girlfriend. I think, you know, this is a part of like, you know, America where just showing your parents you can attract a woman and keep her is enough to make you seem like you're the good one, I guess. I mean, it's not nothing. It's not nothing.

That's true. That's true. Grant was considered more like an introvert, quieter, just seemed like less like social, less extrovert, I guess. He had his nursing job and he held that job for a decent amount of time.

The family was really close. They actually lived all together on this like large, at this large house and this rural lot. It worked for them. I don't know if it would for everybody, but they seemed like a really close, tight-knit feeling for the most part.

then came, I think, one of the main triggering factors for what's going to happen in the future is Grant Losses' nursing job. The public record isn't like super clear about all this in detail. What we know is there a suspicion that he was stealing medication, this thing called protocol, which I tried looking up. And I think it's like a equivalent to like pain medication, essentially. Okay. And basically a bunch of this propofall stuff went missing, when it shouldn't have been. vials of what were found around patient's room that Grant was

overseeing and Grant's when question about this was well they seemed like they were in pain so I just did this and was like well on two counts he was like taking it at hospital yeah like on one count you can't steal medication

without a prescription on another count you can't prescribe medication to patients because you're not a doctor so right um so he got fired for that obviously went on his record he was investigated by the police actually and they ultimately dropped the charges for reasons I couldn't really figure out exactly why.

But he had this like blenish on his record. I imagine it would be hard to get an nursing job again. Exactly. It's not going to be a nursing again, but yeah. And yeah, so this is kind of when things seem to aspire to him, which is like another great validator for like, and I read this stat, I forgot what it was. I don't know if it's causality or correlation or causation, but it's like some huge,

percentage of men die like really soon after retiring. Can you hear this? I feel like, yes. I feel like if you don't feel needed or wanted or whatever, if you have a thing that you drive towards, then you just the will to live kind of goes away. So anyways, this is a good value for a way for a way to spend that. Me?

Yeah, I'm going to tell you right now. I feel like you'll be fine. I hope so. Yeah. It's on our podcast. Yeah, I think you can find stuff to do, you like, you like traveling. And I think it would also be good because you're able to travel like for yourself. You know, because I feel like now a lot of your travel, you're responsible for other people,

but you won't have to be. You won't have to do like travel for work. You can just like go back to Ottawa and do beautiful Ottawa and things. And I'll be there in Canada waiting for you. I like when you said travel for other people. And you said work, even though what you really meant was the other thing. Yeah, thank you. We know.

These are inside joke, guys. I just don't want you to die as soon as you retire, because I want to hang out with these cells. It's a day of die. If I retired, I would spend all my time and money building the coolest, most natural garden the world has ever seen. I love it. I started looking up, like, properties and, like,

was thinking, like, what would it be, like, if I moved, like, out of Austin to, like, a 10-acre ranch and, like, got a bunch of ducks and donkeys and stuff. It would be really fun. So anyways, back to Brits. It's not about me. All right. So without work, without the structure that kind of imparted, Grant retreated into his room and onto the internet.

His family was actually pretty supported because like at this time, like I said, he couldn't get another job. Like he was, you had a pretty big black mark on his record during the reason why he was fired. What he told them was, hey, get me set up, get me a bunch of equipment so I can set up a computer. and start a Twitch stream and play video games online for money, which I guess is a real thing. I don't, I haven't officially gotten too old for this. Like people, first of all, I don't know what Twitch is.

Second off, why are people paying you to watch you play video games? Like, how was it going to think? People love watching you only who play video games. Are you familiar with this? This is a real thing? Yeah, yeah. I mean, my kids watch, not like, not on Twitch, but they watch like, and I have to tell them to stop because I'm like,

is really fucking dumb you guys, but they do, it is not because it's dumb, but they watch like other people play Minecraft. Interesting. And they pay them. Well, we don't pay them, but there's like, obviously ads, you know. Okay. And I'm sure there might be people who pay to like watch more stuff, but I was like also trying to explain the kids like YouTube ads and how that

works. I'm like, the more you watch it, then you watch the ad and the people who have the ad, they're paying because they know you're watching it, you know. Taylor, I think I have a business idea here. we can bet offline. We get a bunch of like those old Nokia phones and people

can watch us play snake and see if we'll pay us. Yeah. So I get it. I'm really bad. I think perfect. Yeah. I don't know how we like, we just like hold it to the camera, but you can't like Yeah. Yeah. You can't connect to it. We'll work on the plan.

This is not the brainstorming session. Don't steal it. Everyone. Yeah. So that was his plan. His parents were actually supportive because they were like, hey, this is harmless and he's got a plan he's got no other choices again he still seemed really really caring but brantz was not twitching i guess is the word you would use he was not playing video games on twitch he was going to a site called my free cams and there he found this woman

sylvie in bulgario so i i'm not doing this for for my own volition here but just explaining how how these campsites operate. So apparently they're basically engineered to create the illusion of intimacy. So a performer will show up on your screen. They'll talk directly to you. They'll say your name or your username. And you can tip them.

You can give them money in the form of digital tokens that you use real money to buy. Right. And the whole point of it, I guess the reason why it's popular is because it feels personal. It feels like you're having a real, connection with another person, which is, like, really depressed. I mean, a lot, yeah, a lot of it's really, really sad.

Yeah, this is where I'm really into, like, what Scott Galloway says about, like, young people, where he's, like, everybody who's on this, like, no alcohol thing, like, stop that when you're, like, in your 20s and 30s, like, go drink and meet people and do, make decisions that are maybe dumb but not, like, alter, like, force yourself out there. Go outside, yeah. Go outside, yeah. I did. to a bar on Friday and I had one real beer and one fake beer and it was great and then drove

myself home and I was super fucking proud of myself and yeah like at least I went but I went out and I talked to a bunch of friends for a couple hours and I was like this is really nice I can't believe I've known this is so long you know yeah yeah yeah that's and it's I don't know I feel like it's it's only going to get worse with AI like I watched a thing of like a woman who's in love with her chat GPT and he wasn't even nice to her like girl you made up a robot and he's not nice to you Do you remember when I sent you that picture of Rachel's robot When she asked him how do you think I treat you And it was like him caged up to a fence with like signs saying do better

But he's always nice to her like this woman's shaggbt wasn't even nice to her You know like maybe she should hold him not to be Exactly like she programmed him to like Neg on her right So only gonna get worse Only gonna get worse why it's important to kind of pay attention to the topics like this because

we can kind of mitigate some of this stuff. We are cognizant of that I think. But apparently, okay, so with this campsite, the more money you give the girl, the more she pays attention to you. And I guess that's where the parisotial

aspect of it comes from. It's like you think that she's into you and this is the real thing that's happening. Whereas like she's only doing it because there's an economic value to it. And it's like you know that, but you like forget. You know, I feel like they like know they know it. But then they're also like, oh, I'm like buying stuff because we're in a relationship. Like, oh, I'd buy a girlfriend and something. And you're like, that's different.

I don't know. We're we're not totally dissimilar from that behavior because when our our favorite podcast, when they broke up, we all, everybody had opinions about it. Everybody felt a certain way. Everybody dealt with in a certain way. True. You know? Like, that's all. You feel like you know them and like you definitely don't, but you feel like you do. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, that's the parasycial aspect of this.

A one side of an emotional bond where one party invests genuine feelings into the interaction, whereas on the other side, it's just a commercial transaction. And this is kind of where, like, ours is, like, different. It's like, this is kind of the research I pulled up on this, was that parissocial relations aren't inherently pathological. Like, most of us end up having them with, like, celebrities or musicians or 14- of someone. I'll spend also money to see you,

but I'm not going to like, it could get weird. It could get weird. Yeah. But I guess like the dangerous part becomes when you stop, when you lose the ability to understand that this is transactional, when the other person still realized that it's transactional. Yeah.

And Grant lost that ability completely. He spent up to four hours a night on the site, my free cams. Sylvie's private shows cost I'd actually get a breakdown of what this actually comes out to I just got the total so her private shows cost 90 tokens per minute he would buy 5,000 tokens at a time which were about $600 to purchase

so on an average night he spent $600 and so on paying her Is she okay? Is she like being trafficked? I mean I'm an entrepreneur probably I mean I don't know at this point in time that we are in society

it's hard to even like I don't know it feels but it's Bulgaria so there's that that can't that probably doesn't help the situation um so in addition to $600 the day he's also sending her lingerie

and other items he's like buying her stuff and he told her he's this like wealthy professional, successful gamer and basically built this entire false identity around who he is the person. But like the crucial detail here is Japan doesn't have any money.

Was he doing any twitching at all or no? He wasn't doing any twitching at all. Got it. Yeah, so he's unemployed. Yeah, he's unemployed. Like I wrote here, he's generally, he's not generating any money from twitching. Every dollar he spent on Sylvie was stolen from his

own family. He took his parents and his brother's credit cards. He took money out of their accounts. Over the course of just a few months, he is estimated to have stolen about $200,000 and just handed it over to the Sylvie woman. Yeah. So the family obviously notices the missing $200,000. They discover that's a lot of money. Yeah. It's crazy. Their reaction, oddly enough, wasn't unmitigated rage. It was just pure concern, which was like shocking. They basically staged an intervention. Mostly it was Chad and Cody who confronts Grant, and they decided they're going to pay to send him to basically like a sex addiction retreat or whatever. Apparently it cost $15,000 of the family paid for themselves. So they're now out $215,000, just on this guy.

Grant entered the facility and then left after a few weeks. He returned to the family home. And the father, Chad, he laid down some ground rules. First off was no contact anymore with Sylby. And you have to participate in ongoing therapy sessions as they come available. He also has to start looking for other employment. Like go work at McDonald's. Like go and do anything that forces you out of the house and away from computers, basically.

Yeah. And the rules were that if you violate any of these rules, that's when our attempts at helping you stop and you are kicked out of this house, essentially. Grant agrees and obviously doesn't comply. He keeps communicating with Sylvie in secret. And the family logged into his computer because I guess that was a part of a condition of him coming back

because of them getting access to all of his materials. And they accessed his computer, and Cody and chat went online as Grant and told Sylvie and other online people on Twitch or wherever the hell these people were, the truth. They told them that, hey, this is what's going on with Grant. He's not rich. He's not successful. He's not a professional gamer.

He's unemployed, living with his parents. All the money he's been getting you people. He's been stealing from us. He's in therapy or whatever. And Grant wrote a message, which Foster would later read at trial. The message he wrote to this same community, that also got this update from Cody and Chad was, quote, I think it's safe

to say by now that everybody here knows that I made a drastic mistake with Sylvie. I upset her. I made her very sad and ruined the end of December and beginning of January for her. I will go to great detail because that is not the purpose of this message, but I lied to her and you guys from the beginning about myself.

I'm not a professional gamer, did not own my own house, and it did not drive a BMW, which is a weird way to end it. That's so silly. Those are the things that he said that he had. He's like 29. I mean, I was an idiot. I mean, you didn't know me when I was 29.

Wait, did I get married? I can't marry. Yeah, I we all knew stupid things we're 29. I'm like, just like, just like, leaps and balance. Yes. But it's just, I just found an injury. Like, he didn't say that he like stole 200 grand from his parents. He said

he'd made Sylvie sad. And yeah. The injury he recognized wasn't the one he'd inflicted on the people that loved him. It was on this like random woman he was spending all this money on. He's like, Sylvie like doesn't care. Here.

Like, she's not getting all that money anymore, but she's not like, oh, you hurt my feelings. Maybe she's had that to him, but like, I don't believe her. No, on January 24th, Chad discovered that he was, Grant was talking to Sylvie again in violation of the rules and he told Grant, that's it. You got to leave the house. That was it. That was the last draw.

So the reconstruction of what happened, was that Grant killed his mother around 4.40 p.m. on the 24th. That was Margaret, shot her in the back of the head with a stolen gun, that he, like, somehow ripped off of some person that knew in real life. Did they have guns? No, it was taken from someone else. Yeah, they didn't have guns. They only know this tiny because the mother logged into a computer at 444 p.m. on the 24th,

and they, like, it had to happen, like, around that time zone. Approximately 30 minutes later, Chad came home from work. and Grant shot him twice in the back of the head in the kitchen. Then he waited for about four hours with the body of both his parents until Cody came home from his shift at the hospital and then shot him too. He killed him there as well. He then staged it to look like a murder or suicide with Cody.

So he put the gun in Cody's hand and made it look like he was one. They killed the parents. The staging was pretty clumsy and forensics didn't support it. And there was a, there was the thumb drive, which was a big reason why that was. At 11.32 p.m. on the same day, seven minutes after he had inserted the thumb drive into the computer, Cody's iPhone was also plugged in, but there's a trust authentication that has to occur when you plug someone else's phone into someone else's device. I don't have you ever seen it before, but you have to, like, approve it and enter codes to do that. And that didn't happen. So the authentication, the handshake never occurred, which led them to conclude that, oh, somebody else plugged this phone in.

It couldn't have been Cody because there was no authentication done here. When Cody didn't show up for work the next morning, his colleagues called the police and was like this is not like him. The police arrived for a wellness check. They found the three bodies. And Grant, I don't know how, but they immediately figured out where he was. He was staying at some double tree hotel or something, a county away.

And he was brought up for questioning. He wasn't trustworthy. He gave contradictory statements. and they sent in his surviving half-brother, the guy Jason I mentioned in the beginning, trying to persuade him to confess, which he wouldn't. He maintained his innocence,

but given all the circumstantial evidence, so this guy, like, it wasn't him, it was Bigfoot. Like, there's no other option here, basically. Yeah, it's like, Cody, doesn't like Cody was going to do that. Yeah, yeah.

There was some also banter. They interviewed Sloan at some point. The girlfriend was like, obviously y'all know grant did this right like it's so clear that it was him like yeah he did not kill he did not come home from work and just decided to kill his parents also we know by the timing of when the mom logged in that it happened

like six hours before cody got home right so grant so part of the psychological profile that's kind of built around this was that essentially what happens in these pathological parasocial relationships is that you create this like alternate version of yourself to this digital world that is much more that you're it's a persona you're more comfortable occupying than your real persona um and when the family was basically like hey like this guy isn't who he says he is he's broke he's living at home with us he ripped us off this money all that stuff that was kind of like killing this part of him

and you're going to see this later on when I tell you what he actually says during a sentencing how like he felt like they killed him before he killed them. Like that's kind of what it boiled down. That's when the parissocial aspect of this became like really pathological and psychotic essentially.

And like putting the blame on them is wild. Which he will do. He will do. On August 12th, 2019, he was found guilty of three counts first free murder. The state pursued a death penalty, which is supposed to change

I went to school there, but apparently a unanimous decision was required. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, when I was there, a simple majority was sufficient for a death penalty to be imposed. I guess now it's a unanimous decision. He was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Jason, the only surviving number of his family, was sitting with the prosecution the whole time during the trial. Like, he ate Grant, apparently, which is just fireball. Yeah, yeah.

And this is the border that was nuts. When he was sentenced, he was asking, he felt anything. remorse and what he said was quote my family has been blaming me for months for ruining their lives stealing and not following the rules of the home so i might as well be blamed for this too what he's like 30 now bro you you you you you oh god like if a family has been like mad at me for a million two hundred thousand dollars no shit they of course are going to be in jail you're lucky to send you to jail it's like it's weird it's like every time i steal your credit card and use it on myself. I get mad at you.

Yeah, you become like a worst friend to me. That's me. What is up with that? I'm sorry. So, he's obviously incarcerated, never going to get out. Really fun side story here is, do you remember a show called Ghost Adventures where a bunch of these dorks go into houses and like

look for ghosts with like infrared cameras and nonsense and just like... I've seen a bunch of those. Someone rattles something in the corner like, that must be it. I it's stupid and like I happy to make fun of it but I could absolutely not do it I'd be so fucking scared if I was in a room in the dark and you knocked down the door I would lose my mind so it's I mean it's good enough to where I think there's like 20 seasons of this thing

this thing has been on since I was like a kid is still on apparently one of the guys one of the main guys in the show this guy named Aaron goodwin some way, somehow this idiot Grant got a hold of some smuggled phone while he's incarcerated and he starts sexting with Aaron's wife, this woman named Victoria Goodwin. And Victoria tries to hatch a plot with Grant to kill her husband, Aaron, the star of this show.

But he's in jail. He's in jail. So what happens is... And again, not a criminal mastermind. Not a mastermind at all. He's in jail. That's the key that you know he's not a mastermind. Rand apparently is able to get in contact

through his jail buddies with some hitman on the outside contacts the hitman to kind of set up this murder of this husband and then the wife is supposed to pay him the hitman backs out reports to the cops because obviously that's how he's always end and yeah the woman gets like eight years in prison and Grant's he hasn't in charge for this yet because it's just happened this happened like

this happened like last year so it's still pending his charges for this but yeah that was another fun little epilogue or whatever this how would he have found her like why was she talked to him? I don't know I couldn't figure out like why

how did y'all two get into Twitch it must have been she must have reached out to him it could have been one of those like flush things you know but like there were like from the reports I read they were sexting like it was more than just like

sending letters So, yeah, fault stuff. Do not give money. Do not think that people you give money for to show you their bare bodies like you. I mean, this isn't Sylvie's fault. And there's also, I mean, there's so many lessons. I'm going to say just going backwards, starting from the back is don't sex someone, a murderer. We'll start there.

Don't hire a hitman because they're not real. Don't try to kill your spouse. It's going to divorce. Don't kill your family. Don't steal money from your family. Don't take drugs at the hospital if you're a nurse. You're going to get caught. Lots of things.

I, again, this could be a memory. I could have heard this somewhere. I vividly recall there being some police department that set up a site called like hire a hitman. dot com. And like people like required. And like every day

it was like 20 people. Oh my God. That's so stupid. Also one day I do want to do that that woman who hired a hitman. The hitman turned her in. And then the police found the husband.

Put him in a grave and like put big dead paint all over him. Yes. And then there's like live recording of her being shown the pictures and she's just like fake cry. It is amazing. I think that was also. I feel like that was definitely in Florida also, but yes.

Yeah, it's always in Florida. Are you crying again? No, this time my eyes are just watering. But I imagine I could cry at any moment. Jeez. So that's it. That's a fake relationship part. That's the doom to fail part.

It's like when you find a cam model, also, yeah, it's right. It's not still being, this guy, spending $600 a day is like spending like 50 cents a day for the rest of us right like going to be she didn't know right she doesn't know and whether or not he's rich like I'm sure there's plenty of people who do a little bit of both I don't know I feel like when you're really rich you don't need a cam model because you can just yeah feel of human women and put it in your house like I don't know that's weird it's a cave man probably going to a woman over the head and dragging her into the house It's not being weird, dudes. I mean, you can, like, you know, you can, you can look at a cam model, whatever. But, like, if that's her job and she's not being traffic, you don't know. So, also, right.

No, the secret here is it's not supposed to be easy and accessible. It's that old saying, anything that is easy to get you don't want to have. Like, like, it's not, it's supposed to be hard. The challenge is the part where the learning occurs. Go make an ass out of yourself. Go be embarrassed. Yes, that's, that's a good point. Like, that's why you need to go talk to people and, like, mess up and, like, do stupid things.

And that's fun. I'm telling you, every single time I go to yoga, I do something that humiliates me to no end. Like, the other day, I went in and I accidentally, as I was trying to be cool and say hi and all that, I knocked over the thing they had on the side, like this little plaqueer they had that had all their stuff on there. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. And then they're like, it's okay. They all had a rush out from behind to, like, clean it up. for me.

I mean, yeah, that's life. You do stupid shit. Yeah. Move on. So, anyhow, do we have any fun listener mail? I feel like I did have something else,

but I can't remember right now. Is it the fact that your in law is related to the jackal? Oh, yes. My sister-in-law is related to Carla's a jackal. Like third cousins, but she had a disclosure that when she became a U.S. citizen. I came over here, which is fun.

It's so funny how cats. casually you're like, oh yeah, that thing. Yeah, she texted me to tell me that. Yeah, that was fun. I don't think it's a secret. I think it's just like a thing. Yeah, it's a fun fact. Yeah.

Anything else? No, I don't think so. Oh, Morgan, my friend Morgan sent me a puzzle, which is super nice, these really cool puzzles we've been doing, and she had one that I hadn't done to me that way. So thank you, Morgan. But she also told me there's a TV show she's been watching where they mentioned the Toba volcano where that one went off in blah blah. I was like, it's so cool that we know all this stuff.

So if you haven't listened to all of our episodes, we've learned so much in the past three years. There's a lot out there. Check it out. Just imagine how much you could learn if you listened to all of our episodes and told your friends. Also, I'm going to do another shout out for my new favorite YouTube channel called B-O-R-I-N-G space. It's fascinating because it's so good, but it's so hypnotic that for the past couple of nights, I put it on and then turn the volume a little bit low where I can hear it, but like not totally kind of plugged in, and I put it on a sleep timer, and I am just out in like 10 minutes. And it sucks because I wake him like, wait, what was he saying about the volume of atoms in the universe? And then I have to go back and watch it over again real time.

It's amazing. It's amazing on all accounts. That's right. Yeah, I want to do. Um, all right. Well, check us out on Dumbenthalpot at gmail.com on all the socials. Write to us. Dunefell.

Wait, what did you say? Yeah, write to us. Dumpelpod at gmail.com. There it is. Yes. Please. We like you. This art that I made before we go off.

Florence and I are putting our art in a museum. I think you just can show up and give them art for recycled art. And I made these stuffy taxidermies. This is the butt of a unicorn, of a mermaid. Being taxed or made him. Is that cute? Wait, where are you? Wait, hold it.

Hold on the side a little bit. This hair? To this side? Oh. There's okay. Thank you. I'm sorry. Are you not looking at me when we talk?

I was trying to take a picture of it. And I forgot I did this when I was supposed to do this. You're up here. You're not here. Huh. Yeah. Okay. So,

whatever. Looks dope. Cool. Cool. Okay. Okay. Bye.