Doomed to Fail - Ep 24 - Part 2: A Couple of Real A-holes - The Moors Murders

Episode Date: June 8, 2024

🎧 Today, we revisit the disturbing  and tragic story of the Moors Murders, a series of heinous crimes that horrified the UK in the 1960s. Join us as we explore the twisted minds of Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, the harrowing investigation, and the enduring impact on the victims' families. Prepare for a deep and thoughtful examination of one of history's most chilling true crime cases. 🌑🕵️‍♂️#TrueCrime #MoorsMurders #PodcastEpisode #IanBrady #MyraHindley #CrimeHistory #TrueCrimeCommunity #HistoricalCrimes #JusticeForVictims #HistoryPodcast Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

Hi, friends, Taylor from Doom to Fail. Today's re-release is episode 24, part two, the Moore's murders. So these murders happened over in the UK in the 1960s, and it's a terrible story, as all these true crime stories are. Ian Brady and Myra Hinley just drove around and picked folks up to murder and abuse. And it is a classic true crime story now these days, and a terrible story for me. weekend. So if you wanted to revisit this with us, please do. We only have four more episodes to re-release for you. So four more episodes coming soon. And then we'll be in our regular two times a week schedule. So thank you for listening. Please tell your friends. If you have any questions

or ideas, let us know. We're at doomed to fill a pod at email.com. In the matter of the people of state of California versus Horthall James Simpson, case number B.A. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. Record to this computer. Reporting is in progress. And we're alive. So, yeah, okay, let's get started.

Welcome to, I don't need to clap. Welcome to Doom to Fail, the Red Flagy podcast where we explore a historic and true crime story about red flags that we're being ignored. I'm Forrest, joined here by Taylor. Hi, Taylor. Hi, we don't have to like super rush. I'm fine. So aren't you, what are you doing after this? You're doing a recital? No, I'm going to Palm Springs for a drag queen bingo with Girl Scouts, but it doesn't start until one and we're totally fine. So I don't have to leave for like two hours. So it was fine. If Fox News heard you were doing that, you'd be the most famous woman in history of America. the Girl Scouts the Girl Scouts are very progressive like they have God in their

pledge but they're like you don't have to say it's no big deal like they are so super cool with it the Boy Scouts are like you can be any religion as long as you're our religion you're like what it's really gross actually the best it's real gross yeah um do we want to share the amazing news that happened this week with our listeners what happened Pat Robertson died oh god I know how fucking awesome The world literally got a little bit brighter, just like a little bit better. God, what a fucking asshole. I know.

I'm so, I said this on my Instagram, but, you know, for me, it's such a bummer that, like, I feel like when you die, it's just like lights out and there's no like realization. But I wish there was like, but also like, did he really believe that shit? I don't know. What piece of shit? He just wanted to steal money from people. Hold on. I'm looking up my favorite Pat Robertson quotes about feminist. abortionists and gays that we did 9-11 ah the gays are the ones that did 9-11 that's

what it was oh 9-11 it was so gay what a gay day yeah god what a scumbag because the influence it's not the like okay one person having that much of an outsized influence on like dude like so much of like the shitty things about our society is because people listen to him. I know. I know. He goes, okay, so here's what he said. He goes, this is Pat Robertson's quote. I really believe that the pagans and the abortions and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative alternative lifestyle. The ACLU, people for the American way, all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say, you help this happen. He's about 9-11.

The ACLU? I mean, like, I do feel like, I do feel like, the ACLU waste money because I donated $20 like 10 years ago and they sent me a letter every single day. So I'm like, there's no way that the amount of mail you've sent me costs less than $20. But and then then you have people all now, all the Republicans out there or whatever being like we don't want any diversity. We don't want any like other lifestyles besides our own, which sucks. Do you know what David Chappelle does that I think is like really funny? is he will donate a dollar to Republican candidates and then have them spend all their money mailing him letters asking for money, which is kind of funny.

Do you remember when all those K-pop fans bought all the tickets to Donald Trump's event? Yes. There were free tickets, but they like reserved all of them. They thought that thousands of people were coming and like not thousands of people were coming. So good. So good. Glad Pat Robinson is dead. Yes, yes.

The world is a much better place. place. Cool. Let's go ahead and dive right in. So who goes first today? I believe you do. I do. Okay. And okay, so I didn't, I forgot to think about what my drink was going to be, but I think I have one. Do you want to give me yours first? Yeah. My drink is like old milk. Like imagine that it's hot and the milk has not been in the fridge for a while. Kind of sounds good. Ew, no, it doesn't. It's going to make you sick. It's going to make some sugar.

Beat the curds up with some sugar. Oh, my God, I want to throw up. No. Okay. I am going with a beer that I never find, but I was in love with when I was living in Florida, Boddington's. It is a Manchester beer. You said it before. Wait, did I do?

Oh, my God. I've done Manchester before, haven't I? Yes, because you know why I know that? I have at one point, I was like, oh, I'm going to write down a list of what the drinks are, and I only wrote down one thing, and the one thing I wrote down with Boddington's. I think I even have it right now here. Yeah, January 21st, Boddington's Brewery and Manchester. Taylor is holding up her diary to show me this. That's incredible, Taylor. I'm going to write today's date as well. Just write times two, and then for today's date. I have this whole page

for times that you mentioned Boddington's, so row two. I love Boddingtons. It's so hard to find. I don't know why it's so hard to find but it's delicious so i am i picked bottington's because my story i guess like the last one is based in the uk it's based in manchester so god i'm so it's weird i totally forgot i did that other story that was in manchester yeah memory memory's a can you do the whole thing in a manchester accent i don't know what a manchester accent is I don't either. I feel like I want to go a little bit, Boston, be like, Manchester. Boston, yeah, yeah. The problem is that if you don't nail it, you just sound stupid. That's the issue. So I'm actually going to go a bit historic with this one. So I'm going to do a really, really old-time one. It's a super, super-famous one. It's a super-famous crime that happened about 60 years ago in Manchester.

Despite how famous it is, I really did. to know much about it. I don't know how much you know about it, but I'm going to be discussing the more murders with Ian Brady and Myra Henley. Are you aware of these guys? A little bit. I feel like I know weird stuff about Myra Henley later in life. Is she still alive? No, no, no. She died a long time ago, like 2005 or something. Okay. I know a little bit. Tell me more. Yeah. So you probably know, because I know we, again, we have the exact same podcast diet. So like, you probably also listened to the Fred and Rose West episode on last podcast and Rose West ended up in like a sexual relationship at one point with Myra because there was the two most yeah there were the two

most notorious women in UK history and Myra's like blonde right or like she was I'm going to that um yes that's that's the thing that happened later in life that I remembered okay exactly exactly so she was not blonde naturally but everybody you find of her she is one but i'll explain why that was here no one really is yeah yeah yeah i'll explain why that what it is i'm gonna meet my phone so people can not hear that and i'll continue on so we're gonna start with our main antagonist of the story wait yeah antagonist is bad right protagonist is good yeah yeah they're antagonists they're not good people so okay taylor like pretty usual i'm gonna go ahead and i'll just say that we are probably going to disagree on a lot of things here

I am going to air on the side that I thought Myra was a complete and absolute monster and society seems to think that like she was just some poor put upon girl and Ian kind of womaned her and it's like it's a crazy crazy whatever you tell me what you think about it when we get to it but we're going to start with our story with Ian Brady

so Ian was born in Glasgow Scotland in 1938 he was raised by his mother and pretty much didn't know who his father was at all he was a pretty precocious child and he was considered above average intelligence so he was accepted into a gifted school that was called shawlands academy he would do these like stupid petty crimes like stealing things here and there and ultimately at 15 years old he ended up leaving and starting to work in various odd jobs i guess like back then i mean yeah it makes sense right like nine-year-olds were chimney sweep so i guess you're at 15 you just retire out of school and

just start working makes i mean that's what you do in old time of england i guess Yeah, there's like either you you go to like university if you're rich other than that you just like get a job in the coal mine I would have been there slipped to mine I would have been a great chimney sweep I think that would have been so fun with a page boy hat I'd wear a best and I had a pocket watch already so I can wear the pocket watch and the best in a page boy hat and do like a little chimney thing well that's definitely something you would have had you do when you're a child because you're way too big now to do that you think I'm too big yes I don't know I've never been in a chimney but I feel like you're very broad you're broader than a chimney but also I have no idea sweet i think that's sweet thank you you no longer have the body of a nine-year-old boy so damn it these opportunities are ruined for me uh so ultimately at some point uh ian would end up moving back in with his mom and at that point she will have left glasgow for manchester england and picked up a new life there again he would just keep doing these stupid

petty crimes and keep getting locked up over and over again at around 19 years old he's released from jail he was apparently there for a couple of years apparently he got like he had bad treatment in jail like he was he got the shit kicked out of the joke I mean these is a strong little kid right and um and he decided when he got released from jail that okay that's it I'm gonna button up I'm gonna go on the straight and arrow I'm gonna figure my life out this is going to jail and do these petty crimes that is not the route for me and so he started bad at it if he gets go to jail well I don't know if I committed crimes when I was 15 I probably go to jail too I bet I can get away with a lot of times now like what should i did should i embezzle something one bet that i can embezzle a billion a million dollars yes remember when i put that posted on your desk that said to-do plan murders limit murders i do remember that i want to think about that somewhere okay so we'll hold on the embezzlement of the murder part uh so he taught himself how to do what's called um they call it bookkeeping which i think just means accounting right yeah yeah so he's self-taught

himself bookkeeping. He would study at the library and do all this. Again, he was a really precocious kid. He would read a lot and all that stuff. And ultimately, he ended up getting this job at some random chemical company doing their accounting work. He would be really into Nazi stuff. So, you know, it's funny because... Wait, is it post-Nazi? This is post-World War II, right? This is right after World War II. Okay. They just lost, but he's still... Yeah. Well, okay but so okay so at this point when i was researching this i was like okay yeah obviously like world war two ended like five six seven years ago and you're in england who was just carpet bombed

by nazis so you probably have some fascination with who were these people what it's all about like i understood it at this point more of like um he's a historical dude who wants to know what happened not like he likes nazis Later on, going back to the blonde hair thing with Myra, my opinion changed. Gross, grass, grass, gross, gross, gus, gres. So there was one other thing that I couldn't verify because multiple sources said different things about this. Multiple sources would say either he did or he didn't, torture and kill a ton of cats and dogs this time when he was a kid. I'm leaning towards no, and I'm actually basing that off of what Ian himself said, because later on we'll find out that he was

pretty vocal about everything else. It was kind of like, it was kind of like when Jeffrey Dahmer was caught and they were like, did you this one? He's like, no, I mean, I told you everything. I would have told you if I did that one. It's like, why would I have lied to you? I have no more secrets. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So like, in this case, Ian's the one who's like, no, I like love the animals. Like I never would have heard of an animal. And everybody else was like, no, he was a serial killer who like killed all these dogs and did all it. It's like, he probably didn't. We probably, you probably just made that up because you're like, we have to have some pattern here. Yeah, I don't know. That's right. Yeah. Or maybe he. Or maybe

he like killed the dog but like an old time you way you know like you didn't like take your dog to the vet to be put down yeah yeah you just hit it with a rock it's all that you know it's funny is um is luna's sleeping right there uh Luna we're not gonna kill you you're not killing so okay tell you tell me if i'm wrong about this so Joe our friend Joe Conti is here visiting saying with man Austin is incredible known each other like at this point this configuration people have known each other for like 10 11 years um And Joe shows up, and he's like, I'm going to take him out. We're going to go out in East Austin.

If you're in Austin, we're going to go to Kitty Cohen, if you're pulling with that, and then La Hali. And Joe is like, my only request is don't bring your dog. You shouldn't bring your dog. We're going out. When I have a good time, don't bring your dog. And I was like, there's no chance of not bringing my dog. Like, why on earth would I go out and not bring my, it makes everything in Austin's outside. Everybody brings their dogs.

Like, why would I not? And like, it just blew his mind that I wouldn't bring my dog. And it's like, no, of course, I would. And I did. And I didn't. It was a great time. And she socialized and she had a great time. It was really fun. But I do think that now we infanticize dogs in a way that they probably didn't when Ian was growing up in England. And so he probably did just bash of dogs head in with a baseball bat. Exactly. That's what that's exactly what I was thinking. Like it's different. It's different. It's definitely different. That was the most long-winded way of just circling back to he just cracked the dog's skull open at some point. So we are going on to, so that's our wrap up of Ian Brady, just generally speaking, smart, precocious, might be crazy, might not, don't. Sometimes a fuck up, yeah. Yeah.

Myra is our second person in this equation, and she was actually born in Manchester or just outside of the little town in 19, in 1942. So that would make her four years younger than Ian. It sounds like her childhood was mostly just puncturing with abuse in general poverty. Her dad sounds like he was like a military bro and kind of expected Mara to be super, super tough and just like agro and all that. You know, it's interesting because like psychologists after the fact would say that the way her dad treated her or told her how to treat others made her desensitized to violence and emotionally distant and this stuff. But like really all it was was like, hey, if someone hits you, you hit him back twice as hard. Like it was one of those. like that's what it actually read like it wasn't like uh like anytime you're upset react to it

aggressively with violence like that's not what it was it was don't don't be uh stepping whatever was word um uh dormit dormant thank you um i feel like have you have you seen the stuff that arnold Schwarzenegger has been saying lately about his dad no um because he's pretty much like my dad was like a nazi because it was that time and he came home and he was a terrible, terrible broken person and he, like, be the shit out of us and was an alcoholic because of the trauma that he went through. So, you know, he was like, he's like, his caution to America is like, stop being assholes because you're going to ruin generations of people, you know, with, with this like anger and this hate, like, no matter what happens. And in the worst case, which is like World War II and concentration camps and all of those things are like best case, like you have these like lives that are just like horrible and like abusive and everyone's angry. So even on like the, you know, English side where they won, like the trauma that those dads went through and then they had to like come home and like even on our side too.

Like my great grandma had three brothers who went to World War II, came home, never did anything else. They were PTSD to the end of their lives. They lived in her mom's attic. They called them the three kings. They just hung out in the attic because what they saw was so awful. They couldn't do anything else. That's wild. You know?

So one thing that coming home from that, like one thing that they're, I'm not. I've learned a lot of recently is ketamine treatment. So apparently in Austin, there's a lot of these ketamine clinics that apparently are really, really good for working through. Does your shirt say future quarks? It does. That's my future. It's so ridiculous.

Anyway, also, your story there just reminded me of that one scene in, oh God, Schindler's List, where they're burning the piles of body at Auschwitz. And that one Nazi soldier takes his house and just start screaming into the sky because like I don't know it feels like as a human you know when everything's wrong even if you're a Nazi yeah and I mean

so many of them had to be I mean they're all bad 100% but some of some they were on so much meth and so many drugs and so drunk and all these things to be able to do those inhuman things yeah well you know well shit sorry okay going back to future corpse has an awesome shirt we should make

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poverty. Dad is kind of an abusive asshole, but also he wants her to stick up for herself. She develops like a knack to be kind of like a tough girl, but that's mostly it. She was mostly normal. Everybody who knew her thought that she was well liked and cool. And there was no nothing wrong with her basically at this point. So and that's the part of it that annoys me later on. And people were like, like, it was all Ian that did. It's like, dude, like, I don't know how many girls I've been with, but none of them could ever convinced me to like kill somebody like nobody's that charming right yeah okay so at 18 years old so when my was 18 years old she finally meets Ian for the first time at that

chemical company that Ian was a bookkeeper for Ian would have been like 22 to 23 give or take at this time he would eventually ask her out on a date and they would start going out together it was weird like a Wikipedia article on this said that like they would just go to X-rated movies and then go back to his apartment. Like, it was like, what? Like, that was your date? Yeah. I mean, it's a weird first date.

Yeah, that's the thing. Later, if you're like, this is our jam, then do whatever you want. But if it's your first date, I feel like you should go over ice cream. But I don't know. I feel like it needs to be like three years in a dating one. It's like, let's just start casually every Friday going to an expert in the theater. Like, it's like what? But it's sound like this was almost like close to the very beginning.

It's like they would just go to these movies together. And this is where the Nazi thing comes back into effect because Ian would constantly talk to Myra about Nazis. And like that's where like it flipped for me, which is like this is probably more January 6th than just interest in history type of a thing. And then like you mentioned earlier, so the very first photo, if you look up, if you Google Myra Henley,

the very first photo of her is, is blonde hair, like crimson deep red lipstick is what shows up. It's going to be black and white. You don't know it, but it's going to be crimson red. And, dude, she was a brunette. Like, she wasn't born that way. Like, she did this for Ian because I guess, like, nothing specifically said of it. But he had this, like, obsession with, like, the Aryan concept.

And I guess Mara really liked him a lot and wanted him to be impressed with her. And so she wanted to look more. traditionally Arabian so she did this to herself so such as like yeah one statement that mire would later say when she was um after she'd been in quarks raid or whatever she said that ian could have told her anything this is a quote that the earth was flat that the moon was made of green cheese that the sun rose in the west and i would have believed him like that's her i guess like i guess this type of person like apparently even was really really charming like other people would also say this about it like he had that psychopathic thing where he would just grip your

attention and make you want to like just follow him wherever he went so one thing i wrote here was like again nobody would ever convince me that i'd never liked anybody enough i mean i don't know maybe i've never liked anybody enough that's what it is i never met anybody that i liked enough who asked me to kill somebody that i would maybe i will one day but i haven't yet yeah i don't know if i would i feel like If Juan told you to, like, kill your neighbor right now, would you do it? No. I don't want to go to jail, and I have children to take care of. If Juan said he was going to kill the neighbor, but you have to help bury the body, would you do it?

I don't think, I don't know. I mean, I feel like then, potentially. Because I'd be scared. It's the slippery slope. I'd be scared, you know. It's out starts. This is exactly how it starts. I'd be very afraid.

Yeah, but, like, objectivity still exists. Like, whether, like, okay, I'm in love with this person. They're amazing. They're great, whatever. There's still objective truth. And objectively, it is wrong to do the things that these people end up doing. And, like, people later on are like, poor Myra, poor mine. It's like, no, not poor Myra.

Like, she still had objective reality to contend with. Yeah. Was he abusing her? Yeah. Of course. Yeah. I mean, this is like 1950s, England. Like, punching the woman in the face was just, like, normal discourse.

like that was not like i mean i would not say they had an abusive relationship outside of like whatever was normal then which was that yeah today it would be an abusive relationship back then it was like he just loves me that much you know well that's that's part of it too i feel like right right so yeah they actually had like part of the relation was also like just like they started veering into like stuff that me and you like to talk about which is like a lot of true crime war stuff like i actually think they would have been fans of our show if they were so alive because they sort like they would go to like the library and just constantly check out books and they oh man I didn't write it down what's that what's

the marquis de sod book uh I don't know I'm gonna look it up 120 days of sod I think it's called it's a crazy intent they made a movie about that it is a crazy intense like torture porn book 120 days of Sodom yep there it is yeah and it's a movie too it's super graphic like I don't I wouldn't really recommend anybody watching it's very torture and like sexual it's it's gross but like that's the kind of things that are into that we constantly check out books on stuff like that or uh other true prime uh books that it would constantly be digesting involved in so that's why i thought like hey maybe they would be our fans i don't know yeah and all that again it's fine as long as you don't actually murder people i know that's the part of where it gets tough is like it's like you wonder

because like me and you consume this kind of media and i mean we're totally innocent Like, it's not, it's not those things that make it bad. It's the events that happen afterwards that make it like that. And on those events, so I'm going to read out what these guys did. And it's going to be a little bit numb because it happens so much. It's like, who gives a shit? Like, you murdered this kid and killed that kid, raped out. It's like, it happened so much that it's almost like just, it's meaningless.

So sorry if it comes across that way. Obviously, people's lives mattered. But whatever, like it had him forever go, and they just did this a lot. So in 1963, this would be two years after they started dating. Ian got obsessed with Leopold and Lowell. Remember that case? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

So for those that don't know, this was about like basically two American dandies who thought that they were sworn enough to commit the perfect crime, and they were obviously caught and arrested. Yeah, they were not. They were caught very quickly. Very quickly. Ian and Myra at this time moved in. to Myra's grandmother's house, which is awesome.

That's a really cool thing to do when you're a man in your mid-20, so live with your girlfriend's grandmother. And Ian, at this point, he literally learned nothing from his obsession with the Leopolden Loeb case. So the entire premise of it was like, if you are of a certain level of intelligence, you can outspir on cops, you can outspire everybody else. And that's, that wasn't true.

they very much did not do that yeah they did the opposite they got caught and sentenced to death immediately um Ian thought that he could do better than them to he literally learned nothing he was like I hear you I see you I can do better than this she wanted to make the perfect yeah how much crime is that you know people being like oh yeah that guy got caught but I totally wouldn't get caught yeah it's probably it's probably yeah I mean it's a competition thing at that point it's like a sport at that point so he decided he's going to commit this perfect crime and he starts kind of figuring out like how mary can get involved in this like again like i i don't know how she like she seems so bought

into anything he said it just felt like it was a natural progression they would end up in this position uh in this case mirea was kind of central to what ends up happening which is why i don't find her as like this victimless or blameless person she was a key component of this so i Ian tells Meyer that he has a plan, they're going to run a van, and Meyer's going to drive around town. Ian's going to follow her in a motorcycle, and when he sees someone that he wants to abduct, he's going to flash the lights at her, and she could pull over and ask a victim if they want to take a ride. It's a weird to ask.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know where you find these people. So in July of 1963, they put this in action, and they end up kidnapping a 16-year-old class mate of Myra's sister, a girl named Pauline Reed. This is the very first one. So Mara pulls over, offers her a ride, and then she says, yes, gets in the vehicle because she recognized her. She knew her. Right.

Why wouldn't she? Yeah. And Mara says, hey, I got to take a D to where I want help finding this glove, like some luxury, beautiful glove I have. I lost it. And I need help finding it. And the girl's like, okay, fine, I'll help. And so they take her to Ian and Myra's home.

him. Ian then somehow convinces Pauline to go into the Moors and look for this luxury, beautiful glove they have, and he ends up coming back alone. That's Myra's story. Ian's going to say something a little bit different, but that's the story that we're going to run with for now. We know for a fact, ultimately, based on confessions, that when he took her back there, he raped her, and then stabbed her badly enough to almost. lecy cap theater like he pulled an o j it was one of those things and ian would claim that mire was actually there the entire time she took part in the sexual assault she took part in the stabbing and that's not the story that mira tells and i don't know who to believe they had their most

comebacks so who's said right again this is just going to keep rolling on five months later they offer a right to a 12-year-old named john tombride they again say they have to go searching for something and this time uh they say they got to go directly to the more instead of the house and once they get there ian takes john out of the car again sexually assaults him and slits his throat this is just like it's so sterilized the way i'm phrasing it but it just happens over and over how many different ways can you say raped and it's just the same thing over and how big how big is the more you know what taylor i was going to ask you if you knew what a more it is i do know what a more is. Do you know what a more is?

I googled it, so I know what a more is. Why did you tell us what a more is? It is like a big expanse of rolling green hills. Yeah, that's, yeah, you nailed it. It's like Scottish land, you'd imagine. I think of moors, I think of, um, in, uh, weathering heights, there's a lot of moors. Heathcliff always runs across the moor looking for, for her. And then also, I bet it's very foggy.

because my sister studied abroad in Brighton and my brother and I went to visit her and every morning we would go on a fog walk because it was so foggy. Him and I would go out to just like the field that like the they would like play soccer in or whatever but we would be three feet apart and couldn't see each other. It's crazy.

So we would like yell like fog walk and like run and it was really fun. But I don't know. I imagine it was foggy too. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Zingling, right? Yeah.

So the legal definition for Moore is a tract of Oort. of open uncultivated upland so it's like to me i was just like it's kind of like a wetter version of josh maitraud is yeah so this is what it is and people get murdered in joshua tree and disappeared in there all the time so that actually gives me context you you and one just taking out your neighbors left and right i mean several hikers a year disappear um they probably just get lost and die they get lost yeah yeah yeah they for sure get lost um so okay so we're at john kilbride so seven months after he's been killed and disposed of in the moors.

Myra comes across a 12-year-old named Keith Bennett. She asks him to help load stuff into her vehicle, very Ted Bundy-esque, and then offers to take him home after, which she does, or she says she's going to do, they end up getting in the car. And this is the part of it where, like, I'm like, dude, she's not just some poor put-upon woman. Like, I'm not, maybe I'm sexist towards myself, but, like, if a man asks me for help, I'm not, I'm maybe going to slow down my walk to offer to help some random strange man.

But if a girl asked me for help, it's like, oh, okay, like, sure, like, there's a trust there you don't have with a strange man. I think that that's, I think that's true. I think that's definitely true, that like, a woman would, I think that's why, like, Ian and other people have had women partners in crime like this because it's easier to get a kid in a van if a woman asks them. and it's definitely true i also think that ted bundy would have 100 percent murdered me because i would have definitely helped him like i don't even care i would have helped him he would have been like hey can help me have this thing i'd be like oh sure no problem like i wouldn't have crossed my mind i'd probably still help him today and then i'd be dead and i'd be like fuck i knew this is going to happen but i did it anyway that's why you don't help anybody like i know that sounds really mean but it's like dude like everybody's out to get you it's not the answer it's not the

thoughts of a broken man. So going back to Keith. So my man's up taking Keith to the house, her home, her and Ian's home. And Ian asked him to go help find this. Which is the grandma's home. The grandma's home. It was not home apparently. And again, Ian asked her to go or asked him to go help and find this beautiful glove he lost in the more. There he again, sexually assaults Keith and struggles him to death. Next was Leslie Ann Downey. this would have been seven months after they actually have like kind of like a pretty protractive you know cool off period it's all in town like something's happening so later

everything gets pinned on these guys because because like this was not the only these were not the only kids going missing like there's like a lot of kids going there were probably all just dying sweeping chimneys and just like their bodies were never found but like a lot of kids we're going missing and i'll discuss this later on because police are like wait a minute we got these people who just keep killing children and we just got arrested them there's like another 30 missing kids maybe they killed all these we don't know right right right but they didn't really draw that distinction themselves until they were caught so we're seven months after keith ian and mira were shopping and they noticed a girl a 10 year old uh leslie anne downing they

drop their bags in front of her and asked her to help she's like sure i'll help because she's 10 right yeah and they're like okay thanks for helping can you help get this in our car say okay and they're like can you help get us in this in our house and like okay and so she's like it's so fucked up dude like using the trust the inherent trust that a child puts in people against them like it's so whatever and that we tell that's what you tell kids you tell kids like a grown-up does not need your help yeah like if a grown-up does keep for help like you say no like be polite like whatever but like don't help them like a grown-up does need your help they can find they're grown up they can use they can call someone like that's a big thing that's rabbit they

have task rabbit robs have task rabbits yeah so they don't need a 10 year old to help them move something so they take leslie to their house and while they're at the house they do the normal thing ian rapes strangles leslie and then they take her body out to the morse get buried there's a lot more of this it's just like why even bother going to the details like they took do they bury them or do they just leave them no they buried them okay there's a lot of more detail but again like i just Mentally, I don't want to go into it. It's like, yes, they took pictures of her. Yes, she screamed and they, like, all the gross stuff you would imagine happen.

But it's like, dude, they had like fucking 20 times. I'm not going to keep talking about every single one of them. So just use your imagination. So two months later came Edward Evans. Ian asked Myra to take him to a railway station to look for a victim. And Ian ended up finding Edward who was 17 years old. So he's a bigger human than these 10-year-olds and 12-year-olds are taking him. he's out of the chimney suite business because he's out of the chimney sweep yep

broad shoulders so you know apparently told edward that he was like this was a hookup like i'm gay you're gay this woman with me is my sister we live together she's gonna take us home that that was his this conversation with edward so edward goes with them i did not bring this up earlier but myra's sister her i mean i brought myra's sister before her name's morin morin was married to a guy named david smith okay and david smith morin and myra and ean live really close to each other for some reason david was also obsessed with ian and also thought he was the coolest guy in the world and also thought like all these great things about him again like this guy had like weird influence over people around him and and ian thought that he had a kindred spirit

and David, which he did not. He did not have a kindred spirit, but he thought he did. And so this night that they bring Edward home, David, or sorry, Ian tells Myra to go over to Maureen and David's house and to bring David over. And so, like, tell him what to do. So she does this. She goes to David and says, come over, David comes over, but it's like staying outside of the house until I give you a signal, then come knock on the door. I no idea why. I literally have no idea why this. this plan played out the way it did. It sounded incredibly overcompeted and stupid. So at some point, they flicker the lights

and David goes and knocks on the door. And then Ian opens the door and pretends like he doesn't really know him and says, oh, so you're here to collect your wine. Again, no idea why this plan. This sounds like such a stoner plan. It's overcomputed for no reason. David plays along and then Ian walks him into the kitchen

and says, let me go fetch your wine and leaves David in the kitchen. Then David describes hearing some insane screamy just over and over again. Like he sounds like a woman shrieking and he, Myro rushes into the kitchen and says, David, go help him out. They really overestimated David's interest in what their lifestyle was. David goes in and sees that Eden is on top of Edward. He's holding a hatchet, just bludgeoning the shit out of Ian's face with this hatchet.

Oh, my God. And then obviously after being blown in the head enough, he's like sufficiently something. dude so he enrolls him over and strangles him to death with an electrical cord while david is standing there he didn't kill him yeah well they didn't kill it david no they killed edward no but i mean like hitting you in the head with the accident kill him no no apparently you had to strangle him yeah your skills's pretty hard yeah you certainly take a lot of damage trust me so after all of this after all this um david is like this was awesome man i'm so glad you're by me over. I'm totally coming back later and helping you dig up a fucking grave to move this

kid's body into. David's like awesome. Loved it. This is great. I'm going to go home and I'll come back tomorrow. Yeah, that's like I don't know. Yeah, that's that's weird. Like yes, it might be like a smidge surreal, but like that's weird. A little bit weird. What's not weird is what happened after, which is David going home immediately telling morning what he just witnessed. vomiting like just randomly vomiting all right that's a great events again i was like i read this like why did i think david would be this like chill dude and having a great time doing this and did not play out that way so david the next morning he went until the morning it was like 6.34 o'clock in the morning or 635 o'clock or so much like whatever he ended up calling the

police and told them hey i have a story to tell y'all the police show up their house and pick him up and take him the police station where he basically confesses about everything what he just witnessed the finally yeah yeah exactly so the police would go to in and myra's house and say they need to look around oh wait i'm sorry stop stop i just got a news update from the new york times ted kuzinski just died no at 81 no way breaking news Beep itty, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, be be be, be be. Whoa. Whoa. He had his revenge. All right. That's sad, actually. I know. Poor guy, honestly.

He just wanted his spoiled milk. He was given so much shit. Did you ever watch my pretty face to go into hell the Unabomber episode? No. Oh my God. They roasted Ted Kaczyns. It was so funny because it's, it's Henry, right? It's Henry Zabrowski and it was so good um so anyways on who leaves checked it out uh we're back so the police over the house and say they heard that a gun went off last night and they're just investigating to see what was going on they look around and mire lets them in into the house eventually they see that there's a door locked to the guest bedroom and the police are like where's the key to this we need to go inside this room that's where edward's body was

mira's like the room the key to the room is at my work like cool we'll take you to your work. Ian looks over and was like, just give him the key. Like, it's over. Like, just give him the key. So if she gives a key, the police find the body. So obviously, they, Ian is arrested immediately. Myra's not arrested. I mean, it took four days before police finally arrested her as an accessory to murder until he actually knew how involved she really was. Once she was arrested, police started finding these little artifacts that like serial killers tend to keep. So they found, for example, like a notebook with John Kilbride's name and information on there. They found, they found, naked pictures that they had taken with leslie they found audio recording of leslie's torture

and yeah like police knew that these were missing kids so when they see the names it's like what like like there's a pattern forming right because at this time nobody knows what a serial killer is like this is like the 1960s like nobody knows that's the concept doesn't mean exist yet so police are talking to neighbors and asking about ian amyra and And what they like to do? One of their neighbors mentioned that they would frequently go to this one specific site in the Moors, and police started looking there. And there, they found an arm protruding from the moors from the dirt, and that would have been Leslie Downey's arm, the 10-year-old. So they keep digging, they keep uncovering more bodies.

One thing they did that I kind of found interesting was that they would oftentimes take pictures when they were in the Moors. And they had a dog called Puppet, and the dog was like a puppy at certain points and grew up. police had a hard time knowing like when what what timelines this all happened like they knew that okay this came up missing it this time there's a picture of them in the moors of this time like what did they overlap they didn't know so they had a vet basically applied general anesthetics this dog to like do some dating based on its teeth or gum work or whatever to get a sense like how old the dog was to back date when these pictures were taken yeah ultimately the anesthetic they used ended up telling the dog. They overdid it, but whatever. That's kind of one of the things

they ended up doing. Poor dog. It's a boss victim. So they uncovered a couple of these bodies. No help from Ian or Meyer at all. Both of them pled not guilty. And Ian was ultimately found guilty of three of the murders. And Meyer was found guilty of two of the murders. So they haven't found all the bodies yet. They just like found where they found and they started prosecuting them. So they're obviously sentenced to life in prison. And during this time, police would start looking into other murders of children that happened or not missing children like not murders but missing children that happened in around Manchester we don't know how many people these guys killed like they could have killed so many more because they never confirmed other murders they would

just kind of say like maybe we did that one I don't know right they weren't sure they were so many yeah and she would tell them they're like hey if you take me on the moors I could probably find like I could probably guess like where a couple more bodies are and they would ultimately do this so they ended up taking her body her uh taking mira out into the moors and they just it was crazy like because they were so sure everybody was going to kill her they had like 200 cops with them they had like helicopter protection they had like aircrafts like anti aircraft stuff with it was crazy she ended up not finding anything uh any of the bodies and so people were like this is a waste of time you should have done this

so just wanted to go for a walk yeah she she probably just wanted to go for walk it's kind it's kind of like uh henry what is his name henry lee Lucas Lucas yeah yeah I just wanted to be out and it gets free cigarettes yeah so myra ultimately would confess the murder of pauline reed that was the first girl a 16 year old um and she wasn't convicted of that one originally so after she's been convicted she's in life of jell she finally confesses that police told ian that confess this. He couldn't believe her. And he said, fine, I'll confess to everything I've done if you give me the opportunity to kill myself after. So he was on a suicide train. I'm not going to do that. Of course, I was a no-go. That wasn't going to happen. You know what's crazy?

I just realized this. Ian almost outlived Myra by 20 years. The guy who wanted to off himself more than anybody else in human history was almost 80 years old when he finally died naturally. of natural causes, this is crazy. So again, like, this is the point where Myra starts getting all this sympathy from people, and they think that, like, she was forced to do this with Ian. Ian did not get any sympathy at all, obviously. He was a complete monster and was basically, like, legally diagnosed as a psychopath. That meant that he was moved from prison to a psychiatric hospital. So they really don't do, like, the psych stuff that we do here in the U.S. over there apparently because once he's deemed uh once he's deemed insane and a psychopath he is not

legally allowed to refuse medical treatment for his mental health issues that's important because he keeps trying to kill himself because he because he starts to try and starve himself to death but legally he can't because food is part of like his mental health treatment and so wow they force feed him so he starts petitioning the government to deem him to deem him insane to go to prison so he can find other ways to kill himself, including starving himself death. He's not successful, obviously, in this. He ended up dying in actually pretty recently. It was 2017. He was 79 years old. Wow. Yeah. Longest serving prisoner in England's history. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Again, I'm going to be annoyed at Myra in her time in jail, so she would file

endless appeals. And again, with the sympathy people put on her, so they lobbied to get her life sentence reduced to 25 years, which they did. Then later on, politicians like, no, that's not long enough to do 30 years. So it increases to 30 years. She lobbied herself to get her prison classification reduced so that she could pursue a relationship with the warden of the prison, which she did. So she got her classification from an A prisoner, which is like the highest security to like a B prison, which is like less. So that she could go on walks with the prison warden and like have a sexual relationship with her, basically. And the one thing on say it's like the only people that struck me as completely sane in this case were actually the people

who they victimized the parents of people they victimized so myra's sister morin ultimately would die before myra ended up dying and the parents of john kilbright attended the funeral attended morin's funeral just in case myra attended it so that they could strangle her and try to kill her and what's funny is somebody else was there that looked kind of like myra and the dad attacked and like sort of battering this poor woman who had nothing to do with anything and pineapple to pull her off her but anyway yeah i get that though that's that's basically the story she ended up dying wow in 2005 i think it was i never read the exact date down but she was 60 years old so again it's so crazy they lived to like see the internet and like 9-11 he was crazy you know

see all those gays start 9-11 fucking pat robertson so anyways uh again like there's a lot of details the story that it's just like god it's just so gross like it's so gross it's like why i even it's anything fun to talk about yeah you know like at least geoffrey domer's stuff like it's fun to talk about some of that stuff but with this just like it's just like much of 10 year olds man like it's an awful awful thing and like just and kind of like taking advantage of the time i guess like no one really was paying attention you know or like kids could just disappear or die in a chimney and you never fucking know it's over the chimney oh that's terrible so that's That's my story, Taylor.

Oh, gross. Thank you for sharing. As a future corpse and who is drinking curdled milk, what are you going to be discussing? Oh, my God, that's so gross. I know I said it, but I feel like it's gross. Okay.