Doomed to Fail - Ep 240: Fighting for Education for all - Malala Yousafzai

Episode Date: March 31, 2026

Today we have the not-doomed story of Malala Yousafzai - who campaigned for girls to go to school in Pakistan when the Taliban was invading her area and demanding that women and girls stay inside and stop their education. Today, Malala's voice is a global cry for reform. Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In the matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortlandall James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow, America, what your country can do for you. And we are alive and recording. Hello, Taylor. How are you? Good. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. It is beautiful here. It is lovely. It is spring. The seeds are growing. Plants are flourishing. Everything's great. I love it. We were in, I was just in North Carolina.

and there was like a quarter inch yellow pollen on everything. Like every single car was like covered in a thing. It was a lot. Bees are busy. That's a good thing. Although here in Texas, I think it's mostly cedar that causes people to have allergies. That cedar is really bad.

Yeah. Yeah, as opposed to pollen. So we're fortunate in that regard. I'm like well not gonna what I'm relatively okay with Cedar my mother-in-law isn't and it's rough yeah yeah it was rough for me too the first year I moved here it was pretty rough for me actually yeah yeah oh my god hi everybody

welcome to do them just to fail but we bring you historical disaster than a failure is an interesting story I am Taylor joined by Fars and we are back because of spring break that is fun when you're old definitely not although you find other fun. You can do it every one with everyone.

Yeah. It's true, but when the weather's really, really nice, it makes everything so much better. It does. It does. It is nice. It is nice. And it's nice here.

I turn the air off. It's cool enough to not have the AC on. It's going to get hot soon. Yeah, it's going to get higher too. That's the thing. You got to really embrace the moment because it's so fleeting. I know. There's not that many days in the year that aren't awful in

many places. Yeah, 100%. So, Taylor, I think you are going to be telling us a story today. I am. I'm going to redo. So Fars and I, just FYI, everyone, recorded an episode with my daughter Florence, and I need to do it again with her. She wasn't prepared.

And I did not prepare her, I guess. I just thought she'd be better at it, but she wasn't. She's 11. No, she was fine. No, I know what you're saying. Like, she did what an 11-year-old would do. Which is fine. I'm going to do it again with her. Just me and her.

And we'll do something once you figure out of microphone situation. It'll be fine. But what's more of the good episode? I mean, the topic was great. Okay, well, I'm going to do it again. Tell you again. And then hopefully you'll have more stuff to talk about. And then, yeah, then we'll hear from you.

Wait. I'm ready. Okay. I'm going to tell you about Malala. Cool. wait so you're doing the same thing we did I thought you told me to do the same thing again I did but I thought you said you're going to do that with her

I am but I'm going to do like a follow-up I feel like I went through this um slides for like an hour I know I know but then okay what I'm sorry yes yes you confuse me that's all okay go ahead sorry I'm sorry I'm like losing my mind today I feel like I don't know I ordered 50 chicken McNugas and four large fries for lunch because I'm like I can't all I can do

right now is throw my knee at problems. Yeah, do it. You can't do anything else. So we talked about Malala with Florence, but I'm going to retell you the story. And then I will have a little check in with flow about it as well. But I feel like you and I talked a little bit more deep about like the Taliban and the Middle East and stuff so we can do more of that when we're talking again. Cool. Cool. Cool.

So Malala is someone who fights to keep schools open and has. help girls go to school because of something very bad that happened to her when she was 15 years old. So she's like a global, like everyone knows who she is. But let me tell a little bit more about her background. So she was born on July 12, 1997. She's only 28 years old right now. She's from Pakistan. And I guess my notes are still kind of four and 11 year old, but just FYI.

Pakistan is between Afghanistan and India. and there's always something going on between the countries there, obviously, in the Middle East on the way to India, a lot of history that we have mentioned before, and we'll definitely continue to talk about it. But Malala and her family lived in the SWAT district in the northwest of Pakistan. They're Sunni Muslims of the Pashtun ethnicity. And in her hometown, or she grew up because of their religion,

Like, it's very separated between men and women. The men pray separately. And the women aren't encouraged to go to school, but they could. And Malala did. And she really enjoyed going to school. When Malala was born, like, a couple of things that, like, it's hard to, like, when there's so many places in the world where boys and girls are separated, you know, that I feel like I don't realize as an American.

It doesn't, it's not religious. Like, in some places, I'm sure, like, in, like, You know, there's, there's just denominations of Christians where boys and girls are always separated and men and women are separated. So it happens in like every religion, but it doesn't have, I don't see it in my life. There's so many places where it's still a thing, you know? Yeah, sure. Like, I remember when I went to college, my grandma was like absolutely floored that I lived on the same apartment floor as boys. I think it's more atypical or I think it's less typical the way we do it.

Yeah. Yeah. But it's still like not gone, you know? Yeah, of course. That happens in a lot of places. So when Malala was born, you know, she was born at home because her family couldn't afford a doctor, which, you know, really is probably pretty, like, but they are what a lot of people do in like areas where they don't have access to hospitals.

Like, you know, you'll have a baby at home, which sounds freaking terrible. I know people who had babies, like, in America at home, and I'm like, go to the doctor. Yeah, we solved this problem already. Why are you forcing this trouble on yourself? And, like, some people I know, like, it happened by accident. Like, my friend Barron's wife had a baby in the bathroom. Like, she didn't mean to. Yeah, accident makes sense.

It happened real fast. Some people, like, had a baby, like, at home and, like, ends up having to call 911 because, like, it happens so fast, no. Yeah. But you also can get sent away from the hospital. If you're, like, in labor, they can be like, you're not ready yet and make you go home. And, like, both those things sound terrible. How are we supposed to know when you're ready?

You, like, start getting contractions, but then, like, you could still, you could get attractions for days. Even after your water breaks, it's not like you have to run there, like in the movies. Yeah, yeah. But they make it seem that it is. It definitely isn't. That's where I would have assumed since I'm childless. That's what I assumed until I had a child. That, like, you just, you just, where your water breaks and the beams coming in, like, four minutes, but it absolutely is not.

Interesting. Okay. A lot time to go. So, but because she was a girl, like, they didn't celebrate it. It was just like, okay, our first baby's a girl. Great. Not great. Should have been. You know, it's funny. You know what's funny after our last conversation? I thought more about what you said about that. And it dawned on me, because sometimes when we have these conversations, I, like, well on it after we talk about it. And I think I reached a conclusion on why they didn't want girls. I think it's because the family has to pay a dowry to boys to take the girls. And nobody wants to have to do that. Yeah.

And you need to keep your family going. And if a girl can't get a job, like, what are you going to do? You know? Yeah. You need to have a boy to get a job that you can. eventually stop working because otherwise your daughter her only you have to she has to get married and hopefully to someone rich because otherwise or like at least it won't often enough take care of you because they're going to have to take care of you you know right right yeah yeah the don't know we

talked yeah yeah yeah that's definitely true um so malala is uh named after a a so the name malala actually means grief stricken she's named after she's named after after a hero. It was kind of a mythical hero from a war that happened in the 1860s. So also just like so much, so many like international wars that happened and like, I don't know anything about. But there was a, and a lot of it that I don't know enough about that maybe we should talk about in the future, we probably will, is like all the stuff that like Great Britain did in Afghanistan and like Russia in Afghanistan and like all of that. Like, I mean, those are like 100 years apart, but like, it was always someone attacking that area, you know?

Yeah. And in the 1860s, it was great. Britain. There was a war between Great Britain and Afghanistan and the British were in India and they were attacking Afghanistan and Malali, who was the person that Malala is aimed after, she was a nurse and she was like tending to the wounded because she couldn't fight. But her father, her fiance and her brother were fighting. And the legend is that when the Afghan were losing, she stood up with their flag and yelled, young love, you do not fall in the battle of my wand. By God, someone is saving you. is a symbol of shame, meaning like, get off your butts and start fighting, and then they did, and then they won. But she died in that battle. The legend is that she died holding the

flag, she was only 18 years old. So that person that Malala was named after is like a female hero in that area when there aren't very many. Her mom's name was Tor Pekai, and she stayed at home with the kids. Malala has a couple younger brothers. Her dad, Jidan Yusufi, is a poet and a school owner, but it's very cool. So he had a school, and he let, and he had a school, and he let, and kid come to it. Even if they couldn't pay, they were allowed to go. And Malala went and she really loved being there. She wanted to be a doctor. So she's studying, she's still like a little page of like 10. She's studying to be just as much as she can. And then the Taliban starts to move into her area. So it's like a Taliban sect from Afghanistan coming into her part of Pakistan.

And like they are, you know, overtaking the violence. They're fighting the Pakistani military and like the local police to take over her area. Is that what you understood? Yeah. Yeah. So they have a whole bunch of things that come with that. So obviously it's very violent. They want women and girls to do nothing but stay home.

So that includes like no school, no jobs. You can't go out shopping without a man and that man has to be your relative. So like you basically don't want to see women out at all. You know, one thing that is, I mean, obviously all of that is shitty. but the fact that there cannot be female doctors and that you cannot see a male doctor is just like, why not just kill a woman, you know?

Yeah. What are you doing? Like, that's just wild. So it's very scary for women in, obviously during this time, like the Taliban is like coming in, trying to take over their area. And there's a lot of violence like in the street.

And then it's obviously very scary to be a woman and a girl. But Malala still wants to go to school. And it is September 2008. She's 11 years old. And she is starting to speak up because her dad owns a school. People like ask him questions. Like how are you feeling about what is happening? The global media kind of reaches out to him.

And she did a speech in a like that was like recorded and like put in the paper called How Dare the Taliban take away my basic right to education. So she's putting herself out there like as herself speaking about it. And she's a kid. So like obviously your dad's helping her. But they're talking about this, which is Dain. dangerous, like a very, obviously, scary thing to do. So she starts to work, I mean, work, like volunteer for this Institute for War and Peace with Open Minds Pakistan. So it's like a

youth program that they have and helps talk about how important education is. And she is, you know, just continuing to talk about it, but it's hard. These are getting harder as it goes on in her area. And people want to hear what's happening. So the BBC has a, like, obviously they have affiliates all over the world. And the BBC Urdu, so Malala speaks, Pashto Urdu, English, and Arabic. And so the BBC in her area reached out to her dad to see if any students wanted to talk

about it more globally, just tell people what was happening in the area that they wanted to go to school to get support. And there was like a 15-year-old girl who said she would do it, but her parents got afraid, of course, because there's like, like the actual military and police are being killed and their bodies are left in the streets. Like, it's very

dangerous. So the other girl backs out, and in Malala, she does it. So she uses a fake name, but it's kind of pretty clear that it's her, because she's like the daughter of the school owner. But the fake name she uses is Goul Mackay, which is a name from a folktale. And then this part

I put in all caps, and I didn't say when we were recorded with Florence, because she wouldn't get this, but it's basically exactly like Ender's game, which you also don't get. Yeah, I don't understand Anders game. I only saw it once, but I read it like three times. It's okay. So there's, so, so, so

just like Andrew's game, where basically like, in an ender's game, they like invent the internet, kind of, and like start talking about on message boards, and it's, it's okay, but the kids. So she would do this, Malala,

in real life, would do this by calling the BBC reporter on the phone and telling him, you know, what was going on, and then he would publish it as like her journal. It only went on for a few months, but it was enough that,

like, people started to see what was going on. And she said things like, you know, half the kids don't come to school anymore. a lot of her friends have left town so like it's hard to continue and to be excited about it it's like a rebellious scary thing

to get your education you know yeah I feel like I'd be one of the parents that would leave town yeah no totally I feel like I don't I wouldn't I wouldn't

it almost feels like her parents were somewhat negligent the CPC should have taken her away from them well I mean like if her dad's like life full to be to have a school you know and like he wants to keep

open and also they're sort of an income. So the whole bunch of things because they're going to go to a refugee camp. Like it's not going to, not like they have a place to go also. Right. But a lot of, in a lot of these cases, like, there's no place to go and no way to get there. So you kind of have to try to figure it out where you are. So she, so now it's 2009. And the Taliban blew up and like totally destroyed over a hundred girls schools in Pakistan. So they're really just like burning it all down. they made a law that as of January 15th, 2009, no girls could go to school. And people just are staying home because it's getting more or more dangerous. And then finally, the military kind of pushes back about the school stuff, but it's too late.

Like, they've already blown up so many schools and nothing is going really well. So they're kind of going back and forth. There's some restrictions that are lifted, but not a lot. You can go to a co-ed school, but you have to wear a full burqa. So depending on, like, where you are, like, you can get education. but again, like at this point, you're probably not going to because you're scared, which is part of the idea. You know, so intimidate you just don't go.

And then you're not, and then you're not going to go. And then generations of women will go. So Malala's blog was read all over the world. And she started doing a documentary with the New York Times while she was in a refugee camp in 2009. So her face is out there now. She was using that fake name, but now they know she is. And again, she's a little girl.

She's like 12 at this point. And her family goes to a refugee. camp, they finally go home in July. So now she's on TV sometimes, people know who she is. She's nominated for some awards, like international children's peace prize, a peace award for youth, things like that, but it's dangerous. And she's getting death threats, obviously, like,

because they know who she is. And that comes directly from the Taliban and from other people who, you know, disagree with what she's doing. And something that she says, you know, she's, I mean, she seems very brave in many, many ways, one of the, some of the things that she says about this time when she thinks that they're going to kill her is basically like when they try, when they come for me, I'm willing to tell them that I'm fighting for what's right. And I would fight for even for their girls to go to school. I guess for everybody. It's not it's not just for me and my very specific, you know, race and tribe and religion and blah, blah, blah. Like everyone should go to school and I would tell them that like before they killed me. You know, so which is pretty wild. She'd be like, I would double down. I wouldn't ask for anything. I would tell you I'm doing this. So she continues to speak out. And then something, the bad thing happens when she's 15.

So on October 9th, 2012, she's on a small bus coming home from school. So it's not like, it's not like a mini bus in America. It's like a truck with like seats in the back. You know, a bus is like generous. It's like a truck with seats in the back. It's a bunch of girls coming home from school. And a masked gunman stops the bus. And he gets in the bus and he says, who is Malala?

and nobody answers but they kind of look at her, you know, as you would expect as you would if that was happening. And he shoots her once in the head and then leaves. It hits her in her left eye and goes into her neck and shoulder

and the bullet is lodged by her shoulder and her spine, which is crazy. Another, two other girls were wounded, but they were okay. But Malala was not okay, obviously. It is a miracle that she didn't die. I cannot believe you could shoot someone in the head.

and not killed them. Yeah, it's wild. It's wild. When I did the jackal story, that's what happened to that guy, too. Remember the guy in the bathtub? His first confirmed, Killy shot him in, like, the area between his nose and his, like, upper lip. And he lived. And it's like, wow, that's, your body's resilient.

Yeah, it's pretty crazy that that can happen. So her brain was damaged. Obviously, the bullet was lodged under her spinal cord. She had to open up her skull because her brain was swelling. And so they immediately got her into the hospital, but she needed to go to progressively better hospitals because she needed a lot of care. So in October 11th, so two days later,

she went to a better hospital in Pakistan. But hospitals all over the world wanted to help. So on October 15th, she got flown to the UK airplane that was donated from the UAE. And she was still in a coma. So she gets shot on the 9th. She doesn't remember it happening. And she wakes up like a week later in the UK.

in a hospital. And you're like, what's the hell happened? Isn't that wild? Yeah. She doesn't remember what happened. She doesn't know what's going on. So she's in a military hospital in Birmingham, England. And she comes out of a coma.

Her family came there as well. And her family moved into an apartment and she did physical therapy, mostly on her face. So like her brain was like swollen, but then went back to normalize brain. And like, so she wasn't, her brain wasn't damaged. It was just her

nerves inside of her face. So she been doing stuff for that. So the man who shot her is probably somewhere in Afghanistan still. It was like a bunch of people who worked together to find out where she was and identify her and shoot her. It wasn't just like one rogue man. It was like a Taliban sect.

The person who ordered her to be shot, like officially, was killed by the U.S. military in 2018. Of all the people involved, only two went to prison. Was that terrible? What happened? No, I said that... No, I'm saying it's good that we killed

the guy ordered I know. I know. And two of them went to prison, but they were just released last year. So like... Well, yeah, because after we left Afghanistan, we allowed the Taliban

to take them over again. And yeah, that was great. I forgot that even happens. So much stuff happens. Yeah. So, so now Malala, then she lives in England. She goes to school in Birmingham.

She goes to Oxford and graduates with honors. It's not, It's not easy, obviously. Like, she's been in a totally new culture. She's had to leave everything behind. She, you know, she doesn't have to go to school. But now she's on the global, global stage because she has been just this, like, a martyr

figure, even though obviously she didn't die. So she spoke at a bunch of different, she speaks at different summits. She speaks at the UN. She speaks at Harvard. She speaks at Oxford. She's met, you know, every, like, global oral leader. And she, you know, her message really is, like, you know, school. is a right that everybody has and you should be able to go to school and we have the right to change our culture and what culture says you can't and things like that.

So she started a fund called the Malala Fund that builds school. So basically her job right now is she just wrote another book. She wrote a book called I Am Malala right after everything had happened like a couple years later. So she'd go on speaking tours and raises money. There's several girls schools like in her name. On her 18th birthday, she opened up a school in Lebanon for Syrian refugees. And she just like, brings attention to these stories that we like just there's so much going on we can't hear everything um she had said at one point like remember she wanted to be a doctor then she was like oh i'll be a politician and like get stuff done and now she's more like i don't know politicians don't really get stuff done i just think i can do more as like a private citizen talking about my about my my history so she does that july 12th is malala day from the u.n's like a global day to like talk about her um and again like she

says, you know, she got shot, but she is stronger because of it. And she wants education for everyone. And she has a more global voice now, which I think is, like, shooting her had, like, the exact opposite effect. It made her a thousand times more famous

and more recognizable and her cause to be more out there. So she won the Nobel Peace Prize when she was 17. She's the youngest person to win. She shared it with another person named Kalish Sinarti from India. She still lives in the UK. She is married.

She got married to a man named Asr Mayak, who works with the Pakistani cricket teams, and it works for advocates for sports, things like that. So they really, they really, like, do a bunch of good stuff together and just seems super happy. And a lot of her stuff is about, you know,

just doing what you want to do and making sure that you, you know, are safe and are educated. One note, she's only been back to Pakistan a few times, Like they banned her book there and called her traitor to Pakistan because she talks about how hard it is to live there in general, like without the Taliban with and without the Taliban. And some people want her to take stronger stances and different things. But she's just sort of really focusing on her like agenda of education for everyone, especially for young people. It is.

So we had this banter, which I felt guilty to have with Florence on the call last time. about how, okay, this is like my conspiracy theory time, okay? Okay. Two conspiracy theories I'm going to throw out there. One, more for like our generational age and younger. I do think that the structures of schooling that we were taught to abide by were really there to like make us into like a version of like, workers and employees and to not really think outside the box. You have to obey this and obey that.

You know, this is what happened. This is like, it's very like, I don't know. I don't like, I don't think being good at school is even remotely an indication of like how your life will turn out. No, I don't think so either. But I mean, I think school is like, obviously, I think it's important for a whole bunch of reasons. And I think, you know, like, they're trying to close our school, our kids' school here. And a lot of people are like, well, if they close our school or homeschool, I'm like, I don't want to homeschool at all for a thousand fucking reasons.

But, like, I think it's important for them to make friends and, like, see people and learn all sorts of things. But, like, I agree with you that, like, I don't think you're going to figure out what you want to do for the rest of your life from third grade math. You know, like, you just need, that's, like, different. And then I think, I don't know what, especially now, like, I don't know what school's going look like in 10 years, you know, like what college is going to look like for my kids and it's going to be, it's not going to be like our college. It's going to be different. I think that if you were to redo the entire system, there's no way in hell you'd end up in the place

that we end up here. Like, it's borderline malpractice and abuse, the fact that we like tell kids at 18, forgot what you're going to do for life. And then here's a $150,000 loan that you'll never you get a sociology degree. You're never going to pay that back for as long as you're like, you know what I mean? Like, it's insane that we do that. And again, it goes back from a conspiracy theory. That it's just like, it's meant to put you on a hamster wheel

that you can get off when you turn 65. And that's not a great way to live. No, I think you're right. But I also think that if we did it again, we would do it exactly the same way because of all of the red tape and the bureaucracy. I don't know how we get around it. That's probably true, too.

That's probably true, too. Second conspiracy theory, which you just pointed out, to what I think we'll actually get to what I think the end purpose of school is, which is to be around different people, learn different things, learn different ways of being, learn different. That's actually like learning your EQ skills on how to engage with people and like get, you know, get along people. I think that's going to be one of the most valuable things, which also goes to the second

conspiracy theory, which is like with AI, why do you need to know anything ever, ever? Like, why do you need to learn any of it outside of how to be a human and what that dynamic is like? Mm-hmm. I don't know. But I don't know either, but I also feel like, I think we talked about this before, like, there are people that, like, don't learn anything that, like, don't think critically or, like, do anything. Like, what, you learn all the time. You talk to me once, all the time about the stuff you're learning.

I like that in school. You know what I'm, but I need in life. you know and like yeah i didn't learn like i don't what i learned in college i don't know but i had a great time and like so i feel like there was better yeah well that's the thing i think what it's good for is teaching you're teaching that human element but also teaching you how to think and want to learn things i think that's where the main value is exactly exactly because if you don't want to learn anything then you're just like i don't know what are you doing you're just like existing Yeah.

And like there's so much stuff that like I don't know and so much stuff that like I would love to know and I learn new stuff all the freaking time. And I think it's fun. And I don't know. I feel like that's what I learned in school and I like loved learning and like being in school. And I really like dances and I like being with my friends. And yeah. Yeah, I hate it being in school. I just like to socialize and mingle.

That's that was really what I was there for. Yeah. Totally. And like I was like, I guess I was funny like one of my friends. I was like, I can't believe if you're supposed to just like. sit and learn calculus in class with people you're like having sex with and they're like what are you talking about i was like high school's crazy like you're supposed to like just sit there and like also like is changing calculus was pretty advanced around my school and so those kids

were kind of nerdy so there was no sex being had between the mental thing um but the football team i guess yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so anyway i love school It is an interesting story It's also a really good reminder that things are insane And there's so many places where the people don't Like I don't know

I have so much stuff and I feel very lucky I'm pretty sure The Taliban in Afghanistan are now at war with Pakistan again So yeah Probably And then they just are going to be firmer. Yeah.

Yeah. And it's all because it's like slightly different iterations of Islam and ways of living. It's like, it's not even like, it's not even like totally diametrically opposed religions. It's like, like, slivers are different here and there. Totally. It's like, I know, at least another time we're like, why, like these two versions of white people are fighting. Like, there's just a reason to, obviously, like, all of this is bananas. but all times are interesting.

All times are interesting. That is true, which is also a really good podcast called The Interesting Times. Check it out, New York Times. Anyways, well, thank you for sure. So, Taylor, you're going to do an post script. I'll do a little, yeah, exactly.

A little just chat with Flo about school and about Malala and how she kind of feels about it. And we will do it together. And I will post that separately. A little compendium to this episode Exactly Exactly All right

So Will that be the next release after this one? No It'll be like 10 minutes Many release Yeah Yeah Sweet

Okay well do we Actually If if If you want to write to us Talking about the conspiracy theories And I just threw out there Or have any opinions or thoughts about Malala or school

Or schooling or the future of school or the future of schooling, righteous of Dunefelpod at gilil.com. Find us on the social, which Taylor is diligently managing. But Taylor, do we have any list for mail? I do not. I feel like it's just been a while.

If I, like, checked anything because I was on vacation. A little spring breaky. But, let us so. DM us on Instagram. I will answer. And we'd love to hear your thoughts and your ideas. Yeah, especially the future of education.

Like, what are we going to do? The answer can't be everyone gets super dumb. It could be. Can it be that? I feel it in myself. When I use AI, it does take something away from my own curiosity and critical thinking abilities. Okay, so that's the problem. Because if it's like, if it's just like telling you stuff, that's one thing.

But if it's like taking away your desire to be more critical about it or to like search or something else. And like, I don't know. But also like, I don't know how you were supposed to like write anything or do everything. If you only had access to like one library, like what do you, you can miss stuff, obviously. Yeah, I think about in the context of me having discovered AI at like 39, 40 years old, you know, after having that much time of having to be forced to think of things and problem solve and do all that stuff. And if I can feel it happening to myself, I can't imagine what's like if you're,

if someone's having a kid like born today or in like 10 years like what does that look like yeah and that problem isn't like they're not going to recognize at least you recognize it you know but they're not going to know the difference

yeah yeah it's gonna be interesting we'll see we'll see how it plays out thanks everyone thanks friends please write to us we would love to hear from you thanks for us

thanks Sarah I'm going to go ahead and cut off there You know.