Doomed to Fail - Ep 242: Don't Stop Believin' - glee

Episode Date: April 13, 2026

I feel like glee is one of the most 'you had to be there' shows on TV? It's FULL of 2010s pop songs, remixes, and awkwardly improbable teenager shenanigans. Today we'll talk about the premise of the show (really, just kids forced to be in a glee club) and some of the early deaths of three of glee's main characters. In 2013 Cory Monteith died of a drug overdose, in 2018 Mark Salling died by suic*de after horrible things came to light, and in 2020, Naya Rivera drowned while boating with her son.   That's a lot.  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In the matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortlandthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow American, what your country can do for you. Taylor, we are live, we are recording, we are talking. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. I keep trying to come up with, like, my best radio personality, and, um, sound I good. I like it. I like your personality.

Thank you. It translates. You're not like a different person when you're not. live on this not live show. That you heavily edit. So besides all of that, this is generally who you are. Perfect, perfect. Authenticity is key here.

I have an announcement. I got a 3D printer. Seriously? It's cool. So I've ever had, technically it's Miles' is because he turned nine. Super exciting. But I printed so much stuff. Look at this.

I printed earrings that are the logo of the company I work for. How expensive? these things. It was like 250 bucks and then I've spent a lot of money on filament. I made these bracelets. We have made so many 3D printed dragons. There's one that takes six hours to print and it's so cool. What can you make besides like art stuff? You can make like, so like it came with a couple of things that are like already attached in it. And one thing that had was this desk thing that actually is very helpful because I, you know, I always lose my headphones. But this thing is like a shape and it clips onto my desk.

And then it printed the screws and then I can hang my headphones on it. Helpful. I printed something to like hang plants on. I printed some more decor. It's just, I just, I want to change my job to 3D printer. It's so cool. I'll send you the one I got. Man, you're kind of the times.

I'm like, not, not. Have you, like, don't you guys have farmers markets or there's like a thousand guys selling 3D printed dragons? No, ours are selling crystals and different kind of. of implements of witchcraft. I have a business proposition for you. So we should bring 3D imprinted dragons to Austin because they're super fun. And you can like, right now, I'm just

well, like, obviously my company logo I like uploaded, but like the other things that I have downloaded, I've downloaded patterns that people have like available for free. But then you can also like design stuff in 3D. It's so cool. I made it, oh, my book. Oh, I made this really cool bookmark.

It's like very, very thin. but it's like black. I'm showing you this on this non-visual medium, but it's so fun. Anyway, if anyone's on the fence, I say get one. That's a fucking blast.

Well, yeah, you know what? You might have just convinced me. It's so fun. I don't know what I would do with it, but like, I feel like... You would find stuff to do with it. You would find things to do. Yeah, okay.

Yeah, fair enough. You could figure it out. Because really, it's just been such a fun, a fun thing that I've been playing with all week. Like, the kids go to school, and I'm like, get out of it. Get out of here. How long did it take?

With those earrings that you're holding right now, how long did that take? These probably would take like 20, maybe 15, 20 minutes. I have these like really thin hummingbird earrings that I printed where they take like three minutes, like this. And they're really pretty.

And, but like the Big Dragon takes six hours. It goes like layer by layer. But it makes this one we didn't print this and we just like happen to have. But they're like this. Do you see this? You printed that?

This is not this is not when I printed. This is when we've bought at a market, but this is exactly what they look like. Let me get one. Hold on. But they like move and you don't have to like put it together. Like prints layer by layer. So it prints to like things. Anyway, I'll post pictures of these dragons.

It's so fun. It's real cool. And so like you, there's always like free online things where you can go and like design things. Oh, so this is one that takes six hours that we printed. Can you see him? He like, you did that?

I mean, you just like download it and printed. It doesn't take any actual huge. human skills. How does it articulate? Isn't it just like lame filament line by line? Yeah. And it does it in a way that it makes it able to, yeah, articulate. That's the word, to move like that. Because it's connected by like little tiny things and then it moves. You don't have to do anything. It just like comes out of the printer six hours later like this. And we're printing one right now with like a really cool multicolored thing. Is filament expensive? No. It's not because you can get like four rolls for like 20 bucks.

And you can print a shit ton of stuff with that. Send me. Send me to link. Okay. I hate that you did this to me. I'm going to make an affiliate link and just send it to everyone. This is unintentionally brought to you by a 3D printer. That is fun. That would be really fun.

Like if I was working and I could watch my 3D stuff coming to life here would be kind of cool. Exactly. Exactly. It's a little loud. And for gifts. Like how cool would that be? It's like, oh, man, it's Rachel's birthday tomorrow. and it's like, hurry up, like, bring earrings, you know? Like, exactly.

Like, I'm going to print, like, Florence's bestie. She loves, like, Stitch from Lilo and Stitch. There's all this stitch stuff. I'm going to print for her for her birthday because I was like, oh, perfect. You're going to love this. Yeah, I'm printing, like, everyone's like, everyone's getting earrings. Everyone's getting bookmarks. Everyone's getting cool stuff.

Okay, well, you, yeah, you just ruined me. This is going to me. And there's a thing called Maker World where I'm looking at, like, all these different things that people design. that you can like steal from them. Yeah, I mean, it's not stealing you download it and they offer it for free. Whatever.

Don't make it sound bad. That was a nice intro. Somebody built a 3D printed turbo prop engine. That's silly. Oh, this is cool. Oh, my God, there's so many cool things on this website. Okay, we're going to get distracted. Oh, you can build yourself a World Cup trophy.

Okay, hello, everyone. Welcome to doomed to fail. We bring you historical disasters and failures and good advice. And I am Taylor joined by Fars. Yes. Thank you for the introduction, Taylor. We do bring good advice, but we don't know anything. So our advice is worth exactly what you pay for it.

But we are learning, which is the whole point. Okay, Taylor, somebody, this, 3D printed Herbojet is the coolest looking thing ever. I'm looking at, okay, well, this is a good update. I haven't had, I haven't loaded this one yet. Oh, an airbud cleaner. That's helpful. That one's really helpful.

A triceratops skull. I can print that. I like this business card holder. Anyway, it's hard not to just have this be the only thing I talk about. Let's get on track. Yeah. At work, at work, I'm like, hello, welcome to my. Show them to tell. Taylor, is it really loud? Like, can I not have it in my office?

You shouldn't have in your office, no. Okay. But in the dungeon room, it could be fine in there. Okay. We'll go in the dungeon room. Yeah. Um, okay, Taylor, you have a story for us today. I do. Um, so I told you that I had a, uh, I don't remember, but I had a Victorian murder and I don't have that today because I'm reading a book and it's taking fucking forever. Some books are like, oh my God, I can't believe that was 500 pages. And this one, I'm on page 80 and I'm like, I can't believe I still have. hundreds of pages left. So I will finish it, but I'm giving myself a little more time. So instead, I'm going to tell you a more modern story about a tragedy, a Hollywood tragedy. Can you think of a TV show where a good percentage of the cast died really young in like weird ass ways? A good percentage of the cast died really young.

It's a show not a movie. So it's not the omen. The show. It's more recent. Full house, although only one of them died. It's Glee. Oh, yeah.

Did you ever watch Glee? They did die. It's weird. The whole thing is weird. Glead was weird. Did you ever watch it? Taylor, it was a show about people singing. Like, what do you think?

There's just so much third part. the embarrassment. Like there, it's like, it's fun. Like, I like to, I watched like the first couple seasons. Like the music is fun. They did like a ton of singing. And like when they're singing on, I'll tell you about it, but when they're singing on stage, I'm cool with that. I think that's fun. Because then you're like watching a musical. But when they're singing in like their regular life, it just like makes me like that. Very French. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so a little bit about Glee, if you have not seen or haven't heard of it. It ran from 2009 to 2000. 13. There were six seasons, like within that time. And it is like, far as we're saying, it is singing. It's about a Glee Club in Ohio. And yeah, Glee Club is just kids singing, you know. Like every college is like an Acapella Club. There's some Acapella songs in there, you know, all of that. It was created by Ryan Murphy, Brad Falkchuk and Ian Brennan. And they have like the weirdest resume. Do you know what else that Ryan Murphy made and makes? American War Stories. Yeah. He does like nip-tuck.

American Horror Story, Scream Queens. They do the 911 series, like 911 Chicago or whatever. You know what I mean? Yeah. And then they have this like random show about kids singing and being teenagers, which is like... I mean, you gotta fill in the dark with the light every now and then.

Sorry, I'm totally listening, but I'm also looking at different designs for people. That's fine. Send me stuff, but keep listening to me. So, okay, let me tell you about the characters in Glee. and we'll talk about some of the real-life people that were on the show. I'll tell you a couple of the things that I remember, like some of the weird things I remember happening on it.

So the main star is Rachel Berry, who's played by Leah Michelle, who I'm sure you know who that is. Absolutely know who that is. So Leah Michelle is, she's like, it's very much like her character, probably, like her character was very like, I'm going to be on Broadway someday, like the kind of a, kind of a snotty, nerdy girl.

there's Quinn Fabre who's played by Deanna Agrong she's the head cheerleader and she's pregnant which is obviously a scandal I saw her at the airport one time she was very nice there's no idea the show wasn't nice I heard she was like me yeah I'm going to talk about that yeah I heard she's being people yeah there's Noah Puckerman with the name Puck played by Mark Salling he's like the bad the bad guy you know in the show there's Tina Cohen Chang played by Jenna Ushkowitz she's like a goth girl shy There's Finn Hudson. He's the quarterback. I'm not going to read everybody's name. There's Santana Lopez. She's the cheerleader who's like kind of a bitch.

There's Kurt Hummel. He's one of the first like very like visible gay characters like recurring on TV shows. Obviously there was like Ricky in my so-called life, but he's very important in like that community later. There's Mercedes Jones. She's like the gospel singer. There's Arty Abrams. He's in a wheelchair. And then that's his like character trait. He's like the wheelchair. right, you know? There's like a black girl and an Asian girl and a gay guy and a guy in a wheelchair. And then there's Brittany Pierce and she is a cheerleader that has like a lot of arcs as well. She is really funny actually.

So her character, she's played by Heather Morris, Heather Morris. I'll tell you a little bit more about her. But there's a thing, an episode that I remember where her and Santana are eating and they try to return their food at a restaurant after they've already eaten all of it. And one of the girls is like, mine didn't taste good. And this, and Brittany, this character goes, mine had a mouse in it. And just makes me laugh every time because I'm like, that's so stupid. Like, she just like was stupid, but fun. So did you watch?

You actually watched it? I watched a couple. Like, I watched a couple, maybe the first two seasons. Okay. It didn't suck you in. Yeah. I mean, I remember, like, people, like, loved it. It was like a big deal, like, when it was on TV.

I mean, 2009, it was forever ago. Yeah. Yeah. And there's some adults. There's Will Schuster. He's a teacher. he's weird. Like, he just gives off the creepiest vibes and I'll tell you a little about him in real life. And then there's Sue Sylvester. She's like the cheer coach. That's Jane Lynch. You know who she is. She's famous too. So like, like, like, like, like, like, I said, there's a lot of third party embarrassment. And, you know, you can watch a little bit of it, but be embarrassed by bits of it. People do stupid things. But, like, you know, you do stupid things. You're a teenager. Sure. But, like, also, you're not singing at them most of the time. Which, like, makes it more awkward and weird. If you were recorded my youth, I would be mortified. Yeah, exactly. Like, like, being a teenager sucks. But.

at least you're not in a musical number every freaking day at school trying to go through your problems um so one thing that is like i didn't think about really about it is in the show in the six seasons there are over 700 musical performances so they have to like learn choreography and learn their script and learn these songs and a lot of guest stars like guinette paltrow's on it and she ends up leaving her husband for brad falshick the director um and they get they're still married. There is, you know,

and these, but most of the people of the main cast, like they're not teenagers. Obviously, they're in their, like, 20s, like early 20s, but they,

like, were not very famous before this. Some of them been working for a long time, but on, like, small shows, getting, like, small bit parts or, like, on Broadway.

So when they're finally on this show, like, their whole life changes, like, pretty much overnight. So they have, like, every gleeve season has, like, a CD.

So they have to go in and do, like, studio recordings of all their songs. And then they do a stadium. tour. So they have to go to these sold-out stadiums and sing their ugly songs and do all these things. And it's just like... This whole thing is so gross. You know

that I hate the cult of personality around celebrities. I think it's like the most disgusting element of American culture. And I feel like for some reason this was like the chemical of commercialization of celebrity culture. It really feels that way. It just

feels weird. And also I think to, you know, go back to the time, it was 2009, mine, like, this is like Tumblr and like things are like just starting. Like there's no Instagram. Like there's like barely Twitter. So it's like the very beginning of social media also. So like they're starting to get like, like you said, like people are obsessed with them online and like say mean things about them and like do all these things that like had never really happened before.

Just to people like brand new. You know? Yeah. Because it's new. So it's pretty stressful like for them. And they're going and they have these like crazy story. lines and they're doing all this stuff. And so it's hard for all the actors to like keep up with with this schedule.

Some of the things that weird plot points that I remember, that I just wanted to like, I remember they stand out because they're so weird is like the first, I think in the first season, one of the major plot points is that Quinn, who's the main, like the head cheerleader, gets pregnant. And her boyfriend is Finn, who is the quarterback. And like this, it's like he thinks that he thinks that he's. the dad because they hooked up in a hot tub, but they didn't have sex, and he thinks that his sperm, like, swam across the hot tub and got her pregnant. So she, like, tells him that, and he believes that because he's dumb. And he sings, you're having my baby, which is a song, to her parents at dinner. And it made me want to die because obviously he was not the father. And it was just really embarrassing and terrible.

I ask you a question. Is the, is the, is the, is the singing, like, supposed to be there? Or is it kind of forced and there? question. So it's supposed to be there because they're all like meeting up in this glee club. Like the quarterback has to do it for some reason. Like the bad boy has to do it for some reason. I don't know why people like have to force to be in this club. But like sometimes they do like every, well, every episode they do like a big performance, which would be exhausting if you were at the school. And this fucking glee club was performing every day in like the auditorium. You'd be like, oh my God, these fucking nerds. I'm going to kill them. So when she sang to her parents. Because there's also

like off the cuff, like a musical numbers, but they're all popular songs. Like they're not, they don't have any original songs. They're all covers of other songs. Also. Right. This is so stupid. Okay.

So it's like a little bit of both. So like I said, like the, like the, they're having like a show at the end of the episode. I like that. That's fun. It's like choreographed and it's like a song, you know, cute.

They do a lot of like mashups. Cute. The big one, the first thing I did was don't stop believe in. Everybody loved it. But then. it kind of turns more into like they're singing regularly in their lives. Because there's like one whole montage where they're singing like a virgin and one children is singing it to the quarterback and then at the same time the teacher is singing it to another

teacher to try to like take her virginity and you're like, this is gross and really weird. And like why are we doing this? This is why I hate musicals because you have a narrative and then you have to suspend your understanding of the narrative to let this thing happen and I like musicals but this is just a little too much and it's because it's like super ongoing you know yeah

so there's like that was that is weird there is a whole another episode I remember where like the kid in the wheelchair they like decided that it's all in his head and like one girl like dumps him onto the floor and it's terrible because she's like oh I bet you can walk if you really wanted to and he like obviously can't

because he's in a wheelchair are, it's really upsetting and weird. There is a lot of like, you know, tough storylines, obviously, like the cover bullying. There's a lot of LGBT characters. Santana and Brittany, two of the two of the cheerleaders, they end up getting married. So there's like a lot of like stuff like that and it's too, and it too, but like folded in with the weird stuff, you know? Right.

So a couple like fun things, like Heather Morris, who plays one of, who plays the funny cheerleader. She was a backup dancer for Beyonce and doing in single ladies. So she was on SNL with her doing it. It's pretty great. She's actually super talented. And then some of the other kids, they have written books and,

like, gone on to, like, do other things. None of them have ever had, like, a studio album. Like, they've all kind of tried, but they never really, like, it never really took off as, like, a musical career for them. The one, the two others that, like, just to mention are, you know,

obviously, like, Leah, Michelle, you heard that she's kind of a bitch. You've heard the rumor that she can't read. Have you heard that rumor? No. Is that true? No, of course not. She's like 40 years old, but it's so funny that, like, there's a rumor that she can't read, like, for no reason.

And, I mean, there's probably something that started it, but, like, it keeps going. And she has to, like, go on, she, like, goes on shows and it's like, I can obviously read. It's just, like, really stupid because you're like, of course, you can read. She's a fucking adult. Do you remember when 50 cent offered Floyd Mayweather, um, one million dollars to a charity of his choice if he could go on a show and read a page from a Harry Potter book? No. did he do it I couldn't do it no

can he read if he's making the claim he can't I don't know with all that money I feel like you'd be able to read or maybe you don't have to read with all that money yeah you get him in the head

enough I bet you forget how to read yeah I get something to read for you that's hilarious but there are like you kind of alluded to there are reports of her

being kind of racist on set and like kind of a bitch to the other people that were in the cast she's also been on she apologized I was like I was young, which is fair, but also like, you know, it's a reason to do that. She has been on Broadway since she was a kid.

She, like, lived in New Jersey, but they had an apartment in Manhattan so she could be on Broadway, which is like very cool, but kind of feel pretentious. But she did work for her dad's deli, so I just wrote, she contains multitudes. She's probably fine. She's currently in a new Broadway play right now, so like she's doing, she's doing fine. she was in a relationship with with the Corey Monteth I don't know how to say that

Monteth who plays the quarterback in real life if they were dating yeah so another kind of weird thing is that Matthew Moranson who played the who played like the teacher he just like his character was really creepy so like maybe he's a good actor that kind of makes you feel like he's creepy

but then he like did a couple weird things like he was on Broadway a lot him and Leah Michelle dated before filming which again like it's not their fault but that's gross you know that he's playing her teacher and they had at one point dated. And then he did like a weird version of the Grinch on TV and everybody hated it.

But then the real weird thing that's not great is that he was supposed to be a judge and so you think you can dance. And he got fired for sending inappropriate text messages. So. To someone else who was like in the show, like one of the dancers. But enough to get him fired. So not great. So anyway, that's kind of just some random stuff.

If you've, you could follow along if you'd. Watched Glee, he probably knew what I was talking about. But let's talk about the tragedies because three of the cast members died really young in really, like, upsetting, weird ways. So first, there's Corey who played Finn Hudson. So he was born on May 11th, 1982 in Calgary, Canada. He was a troubled young teen boy. He was drinking and doing drugs from, like, the age of 13. And he ended up doing, like, extra roles in TV and movies.

that were filming in Vancouver. So he did that as a teen, and he had got an agent. He was in Final Destination 3. I don't remember that one, but I'm sure it was great. And he was just kind of doing a little thing, a couple little things.

And he went to a mass audition for Glee in L.A. and he got the part. So he was, like, not a, necessarily a singer, because he didn't really want people who were, like, a huge famous singer. Yeah.

Because they still want to be like, they're still kids, but they're like the best singing kids. You know, whatever. So he he got it and his character, you know, went through a lot. Like he was like, you know, going through like the pregnancy, going through being a jock. So he was dealing with all of that, like, as like an actor. And while he was in Glee, he went to rehab.

He'd been to rehab more than once for his, like, for alcohol and drugs. He was dating Leah Michelle in real life in about like season four of, three or four of Glee in in 2013. They sent him to a rehab because they were like, listen, like you are fucking up at work. Like we can tell that like you are on drugs. Like you are drinking. Like you need to go and like get more help. So we went and completed a rehab treatment in like December to January 2013.

So on July 13th, 2013, he'd been staying at a hotel in Vancouver for a week. And he was supposed to check out, but he didn't. And they went to his room and they found him. his body. He died of an overdose of heroin and alcohol. And of heroin and alcohol. Got it. They think that he, because he had gone to rehab, his body had detoxed enough that whatever dose he had been comfortable taking before rehab killed him after. Yeah, makes sense. Yeah. He was only 31. And in the show, Was Lee still going on?

Yes. So they killed his character, but they don't explain how he died. They just have an episode where they're at his funeral and, like, Leah Michelle sings sad songs in it, which I think is strange because they were dating in real life. So your real life boyfriend dies. And then you have to go on a TV show and sing sad songs about him. And they don't talk about how his character died in the show. They just kind of let it go.

And they bring him up every once in a while. They'd be like, he remember for this quarterback. But they don't talk about it. probably because he's so famous that you can't like I mean that was like big news even I knew that happened but I said you have to have like you have to have an explanation in the show like in well like in in new okay so like remember in news radio when Phil Harbin died yeah and they they just like at least said like oh you know he had a heart attack you know and like this was it was terrible like in in the west wing one of the main characters died at the very very end and they did like a similar like oh we had a hard attack

and died and they had to like adjust the storyline but like they at least said something not like he's dead no one knows how he's supposed to be like an 18 year old boy they don't usually just like drop dead for no reason and you never talk about it they can yeah they don't easily you know yeah fair enough yeah so that's sad definitely like struggled his whole life with with addiction um and he was super young when he died. These are going to get worse. That's kind of like the least worst of them. The next death is Mark Selling, who played Noah Puckerman,

who was like the bad, quote, bad guy, like the bad boy in the show. He was the one who got the cheerleader pregnant in the storyline in real life. You know what I mean? Like obviously it wasn't the boyfriend in the hot tub. It was someone who actually had sex with her and this guy. So he has to join the Glee Club because he's like in trouble. I don't know if like that really happens in real life.

Did you ever ever join a club because you were in trouble? I said that happens on TV all the time where it's like, oh, like, Farz isn't, like, far as it's like acting out in class, you think you should join the newspaper club, you know, or whatever. The breakfast club. Yeah. Like, I don't think that's, I don't think that really happens, but. Well, they, they got in because of it. The breakfast club became a group because of it.

What do you think the breakfast club is? Is that what it's called? Well, yeah, but like, what do you think, what do you think that means? Do you think that they meet often for breakfast? I don't know. Well, they're all in detention. I'm not having to edit this whole thing out. I'll keep going.

I mean, they do it once. I don't think they're, I don't think they hang out all the time afterwards. Because that's it. So, Mark Selling was born in Dallas on August 17th, 1982. He moved to L.A. after high school.

And very similar to Corey, he was on a few TV shows. He had his own, like, he had a single, like a couple of these guys just have singles that aren't really, crazy popular, but they exist. His character was actually only in Glee for the first four seasons,

like as a main character, and then they took him out, which I guess I never got to the end, but I guess high school is only four years. So I think there were other parts. Yeah, I think that, like, Lea and Michelle's character does go and move to New York

and, like, get on Broadway and stuff like that happens, I think, just as like they grow up. But he wanted to do other things. He wasn't a main character in the last couple of seasons. In real life, he dated Naya Rivera, who's one of the cheerleaders on the show. He was active in an Echo Park birdwatching club.

Like, just like, he loved birdwatching. And then there are bad things. So after he and Naya Rivera broke up, he dated a model. And in 2013, she accused him of sexual battery. And they settled out of court for $2.7 million, which means he's, like, guilty as fuck. Yeah, not kidding. You know, like, that's a lot of fucking money. and he definitely was like trying not to go to jail, you know?

So that's bad. And he's not really ungly anymore. Glee's over, but that's still like not great. And then in December 29th, 2015, he's arrested at his home in L.A. for suspicion of child pornography. One of his exes, I think the one that had accused him of sexual battery before, is the one that told the police. And he got out on bail, but he, when they went,

went to his house and searched his, like, hard drives and all that stuff that you have. He had more than 50,000 images, which is like... That's more than a hobby. Does anyone who enjoys adult porn have 50,000 porn images on their computer? No, right?

That seems excessive. I don't have 50,000 anything. I'm like... I don't even... That's a number that I can't... I probably have, like... I probably have at least... At least a thousand pictures of...

Luna on my phone. Yes. You probably have more. But like 50,000 is of something bad. Yeah. I feel like, I feel like whenever you hear this, it's always just an obscene amount of amount of it on these guys' computers and it's just like another level of

I mean, he must have been at this for a very, very long time. Yes, that's true. That's also part of it too. But like, yeah, like he like saved it on USB drives around his house. Like they, you always hear with this and I just don't, it's just gross. Yeah. So on May, it takes out two years for his sentencing and everything to finally like go,

go through. So he's out on bail. He's not formally charged until May 2016. So that's like six months later. A year and change after that. So on September 30th, 2017, he takes a plea and he pleads guilty. So he, the deal that he took, he's. going to get four to seven years in prison, has to register as a sex offender, obviously, has to go to a

treatment facility, and supposed to give money to some of the victims that were able to be identified on the images and videos that he had. His sentencing date was March 7, 2018. So a full, like, two years and change after he was first arrested for this is when he's supposed to be sentenced to figure out how long he's going to go to prison. But before that, on January 30th, 2018, he hanged himself in the woods near his home in L.A. And it's a place where I like Googled the address because it's like kind of like up above like a place like a neighborhood. And the pictures of it are, it's all burning. So I think it's a place that was like burned in the fires last year, like that part of like like upper Pasadena area. But they found his body, declared him dead,

which also, and you're a lawyer tell me if this makes sense. He means his sentence was thrown out. and the $50,000, which is not that much, that he was supposed to give to the victims was null. But I feel like he must have some property that you could sell and give them. But I guess it just didn't matter anymore. I think, well, I think, I don't know how it works in every jurisdiction, but I was under the impression that once an appeal is filed, then you can't, we don't know how the appeal would have been handled.

He could have been found not guilty, and as a result, he just dropped the charges. Oh, that sucks. Once they die. Yeah. That sucks for the victims they super got. So maybe he knew that that's how California works. And so he filed an appeal because he knew he was going to kill himself.

And he was like, well, I'm going to save this money for my family when I die. So. Yeah. I think he also just didn't want to go to jail. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely that too. So he was 35 with that when that happens.

so also also young he one thing that i thought was you know that um heather morris who is the cheerleader that is funny um so she was like in like a gossip site i remember this from years ago where someone else had posted a picture of the cast and they had like xed out mark's face and she was like that sucks and they were like what are you doing defending a pedophile and she's like it just sucks we spent like four years of this person you know and i think you're a lot of more in the person that you thought they were but then like know that they're not who you thought they were. Yeah.

You know, and that sucks. So he's, like, obviously not included in, like, a whole bunch of, like, remembering Glee's stuff. They just, I don't know. I don't know how they frame it, but it's not good, you know. Yeah. Pretty bad way to go. So that was in 2018, and he was, he was 35. The last one is a crazy accident that happened.

I remember this one. Later. Yeah. We were living in L.A. When this happened. Yeah. Yeah. So Naya Rivera, she plays Santana, like the Stacey teenager, cheerleader, was born on January 12th, 1987 in California. She identified as Afro Latinx. So she is African American German and Puerto Rican. Her grandmother was involved in the civil rights marches in D.C. and Selma, which is cool. She was always around, like, L.A. proper. Her mom was a model. And she started acting when she was just a baby. So she was like in, in, in, a lot of shows because she was like, she's very beautiful, but she's also like kind of like

racially ambiguous, which was like good and bad for her. You know, because some people would be like, you're too black or you're too Latin or you're not this, you're not bad. So she like had a hard time finding exactly where she fit in in a lot of shows. She was on a show called The Royal Family with Red Fox is the actor. He was the dad in Sanford and son. Yeah.

You know, he died of a heart attack and I think it was on set and she was there. She was like five years old, which is terrible. poor everyone. And she's on a bunch of shows, just like a bunch of different things. And in 2009, she obviously gets her like big break and books glee.

So she does great. She wins some awards. She sings some great songs. It's also like really big for the LGBTQ community because she is like a very obviously bi character. She has like relationships with Ben, but she marries a woman in the show. So like that's important.

And people really like, they love her. She afterwards, She does sing some songs. She has like a single, but again, none of these kids really have like a music career after. She wrote a book in 2016 and, you know, just talked about how much she liked it. Or how much she enjoyed like being on Glee and like the rest of next steps in her career. So she was dating a actor-director named Ryan Dorsey earlier, like before she got on Glee in like in 2010. And then they broke up and then she dated rapper Big Sean.

and then they broke up and she got back together with Ryan. Maybe there were like other people in between. But the thing I remember also from the internet is that when Big Sean broke up with her, he didn't tell her. He just like posted it online. Like, oh, I'm single. And she was like, that's weird. They were dating for like years.

And so that she went to his house and there was like a child sitting on his couch. And she was like, who the fuck is this? And the person turned around and it was Ariana Grande who had obviously been like hooking up with her boyfriend. That is wild. Yeah. The lives of celebrities. I know.

So her and Ryan Dorsey get back together. They get married. They have a baby. And then they start to have problems and they get a divorce. She is arrested in West Virginia. I don't know why they were there, but for domestic battery for attacking him when they were in the middle of a fight when they were like starting divorce proceedings. And then eventually he drops the charges and she, they're finally divorced.

in January 2020. So their son is like four years old, and they have joint custody, all the things. So on July 8th, 2020, Naya goes boating with her son on Lake Piru, which is like north of L.A.ish in Southern California. And she'd been there a lot. Like as a child, she lived around that area.

She's familiar with it. She's a strong swimmer. She enjoys boating. She knows how to do it. And they rent a pontoon boat and they go out. But Lake Pirou is a bad lake. it's full of garbage. It's full of like debris.

There's a lot of like vehicles in it. You know, it's just like a bad like low visibility. All lakes are bad. Don't some of them. There's monsters and don't do it. But this is particularly a bad lake. If you like go to the Wikipedia page for Lake Peru, there's like at least 20 deaths that are listed between like 1990 and now.

And there's like a lot of people drawn there. It's pretty dangerous. us. So her and her son are out by themselves on a boat. He has a life fest because he's a kid, but she does not have one. And at 4 p.m., they don't come back. So her family, whoever was waiting for her, we're like, okay, we should go search for them. They said they come back by four. And at five, they find the boat with just the kid on it. And he's by himself and he's asleep. And so they wake him up and they get him. And this poor kid is like trying to explain what happened. And he remembers, like, his mom, trying to get him to find a rope and that she was asking for help but like that's all he really remembers because he's obviously like four he's a little kid so she they were they were maybe swimming together and then she got him in the boat and she couldn't get herself onto the boat and got like exhausted and just drowned um or maybe they fell off or i don't know like you don't know exactly what happened um but she drowned she was only 33 they found her body on july 13th a few days

later. Isn't that awful? Yeah. Yeah, I remember this one because it was just so weird. It was like, because there were such big celebrities back then again, the celebrity culture obsession. It was like, she was out there alone with her kid and the kids there, but she's gone. I don't know. I remember like initially, like, I think the news reports were like suspicious, like someone take her or? It just feels like how could that happen, you know? But then like water is so. dangerous. Like the guy from the Cosby Show just died in the ocean, remember? Yeah. Yeah.

You know, like, it's just so, it's just, it can get so dangerous so quickly, and, you know, you can just drown. Yeah, I wonder what would have happened. Like, I mean, she must have gotten, like, caught in something or... It's definitely hard to get back up on a boat. You know, if you don't have the ladder down or whatever.

Have you seen that open water too? Remember that one? Was it a boat? Was it, wasn't it, like, a dock? Open water too? No, Naya Rivera. No, it was a boat. It was a boat, yeah. Yeah, you'd have to have quite a bit of upper body strength to be able to pull yourself in.

And like here in Austin, I've gone in the water. I mean, I totally understand why people don't keep drowning in the water here if you don't know what you're getting into, because the lake in the middle of the city, there's all these growths, these like seaweed, but like, I don't know, a little bit more bracelet than seaweed. and it just comes up from the bottom and I can totally see you get caught in like some of it and then like your arm gets heavy you start kind of going this way

then you try to grab like I can see why it would just consume you and take you it's so scary. It's so scary yeah I feel terrible about it it. It's a terrible way to go and then also just like being so afraid for your child because you have to like abandon your child you know and like the last thing that she was thinking

it sounds just sounds really terrible and I feel really sad for her. I saw that she was in like 30 to 60 feet of water when she drowned. Or the way they found her body. Ugh. That was gross. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Ugh. He leaks. Well, that's it so far. Only those three have died tragically. But I don't know. I mean, I don't know if the middle guy was that treasure.

Well, it's a tragic story, like, for his victims and everything, you know, that he was like, you know, what else? of death tragic, but yes. No, but like, what else did he do? You know, like, hasn't come forward and like all the things and what he thought he could get away with with that power, you know, like, did he, like, what else did he do when they were on, you know, to speculate? And they were like on tour and all the things, you know, like, it's just really, it's just, it's, yeah.

Yeah, it's terrible. Fun. Yeah. And such like a, I don't know, like the idea of the show is like, supposed to be fun, but it has such a dark undertone and then dark things happen in real life. So far, no one I know no one from American Horror Story has died weirdly, right?

No. They're questioning. They all seem fine. Yeah. Yeah, they're questioning it. Yeah, Ryan Murphy really knocked out of the park with that. I saw a thing that Evan Peters was like having a hard time after all the hard stuff he's done.

Like, after playing Jeffrey Dahmer, I feel like you might be upset. You're allowed. You should probably see a therapist. I know. Like, I wonder what Spiderweb, Cobweb, that guy has. Oh, God. I know.

Poor thing. For all the terrible things that I've seen him do on TV. This brain is just like broken glass and needles. Yeah. Yeah, poor thing. But the new season,

Jessica Lang is back, which is good because she's the best part. Nice. Very fun, Taylor. Are there any musical TV shows on right now? I don't know. I hope not. If you see any.

I like Kegan Michael Key and oh gosh someone from Saturday Night Live who's funny did one called Schmigadoon oh my god it was like you hate it but there is a musical called Brigadoon which is about a town in Ireland that wakes up every 50 years

so every 50 years is like a day for them and it's like a magical town so you like don't see it unless you like happen to go through it so this guy goes I think in the movie Brickadoon I think Sean Connery's in it and when he's like young it's like young hot not old hot but still and he is um so he like falls in love with a woman but she's like i'm gonna fall asleep 50 years whatever but in schmigadoon they like sign like a like a fake oh my god it's just so stupid and then they

have the second season is schmacago and it's like chicago the musical and it's both so stupid you would hate it but anyone else who wants to laugh in a musical it's good well write to us at dvlpod if you were at ginawold com if you were into musicals or if you think there's a musical that could change our mind about musicals. It's impossible. Yeah, you have to be like in the right, I don't know. Even the bride, the one that just

came out, you know, the movie? When I saw the trailer for it, I was like, the ambiance looks cool, I get what the storyline is, and the makeup looks amazing. Prisham Dale looks awesome, and it looked great. It looked like a great period piece.

But they were singing the whole freaking time. And I was like... Really? Maybe I think about the wrong movie. I didn't say it. I've been surprised about they were singing the whole time. Christian Bale is obviously in Newsies, so he's obviously a musical guy.

There you go. There you go. No, if you have an idea... If you have ideas about what musical can watch that might change my opinion about musicals, please write to us to do a netfall pot at gmail.com. Love it. Love it. I have one listener mail from Nadine.

who agrees with me on not wanting to homeschool our kids, but also wants to point out, which is absolutely correct, that some kids do need to be homeschooled for personal reasons. Yeah, of course. So it should be an option, but not for me. Luckily, I don't have to. Yeah, you just spent, like, the first part of this conversation

before we started recording talking about the joys of you being home alone. so I doubt you're never I'll be able to school your kids I'm never by myself yeah no I couldn't I don't have enough stuff to talk to them about for eight hours a day yeah guys it's like go get your own lives

like what are you depending on like what because I'm mom quote of quote quote Give birth to you because I uphold all your money Hold your literal safety in my hands Well very fun Taylor Do you have anything else to sign off with Nope that's it

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