Doomed to Fail - Ep 243: The Stars at Night are Big and Bright - The Texas Killing Fields

Episode Date: April 20, 2026

True Crime Tuesday (it's Monday) - let's explore the Texas Killing Fields - an expanse of land near Galveston (which is near the ocean) that has been used for decades to drop bodies. Mostly young women who were vulnerable, the stories are tragic. The murderers are terrifying in their ability to evade police (like getting out on bail and just disappearing to Panama).   This is part 1!  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In the matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortlandall James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow American, what your country can do for you. Hello, hello, Taylor. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm doing very, very well. Did you have a good weekend? I did. I had a great weekend. Why are you raising your hand? I was making a gesture and it raised my hand for me.

Got it. Got it. Overhand. I had a great weekend. My friend Nicole came over. We saw less than James. last night. They were great. It was super fun. That's awesome. It was good weekend. Yeah. How about you? It was good. Weather here is absolutely, it's just phenomenal. Like, days like this, it's just like, you want to be outside the entire time. And so got a lot of that in. I was just telling you that I was doing some mattress shopping because I have like a 10-year-old mattress and it's one of those sleep number ones. And do you know those work? Well, it stresses me out because it feels like, you know how I feel about the eye doctor, how I feel like there is not enough science involved and it's mostly based on my opinion.

I feel that way about sleep number mattresses. Like, how the fuck don't I don't have a four or a nine? That's a really good perspective on it, actually, yeah. It actually stresses me out and I don't want to, that makes me not want to go. Well, the reason why I have to get a new mattress, because sleep number beds are all, they're air mattresses. They're like fancy air mattresses. It's just like a, they just fill up with air in the middle. But it won't hold that air forever.

Eventually is going to have leaks. I've been waking up on the slats of my bed. Four times a night, every night, for the past, like, three weeks. And I'm really rocky all the time. Oh, that's terrible. And so, yeah. I will say about our mattress that we have is, if you laid on my side and one side, my side is noticeably lower because I have probably slept in it twice as much as he has,

because I had like nap and I could have been earlier than him and like all the things which is pretty funny. At least you're still not on the ground though. No, no. The ground sounds terrible. Yeah. So anyways, that was my weekend trying to sort that palm out. I'm really, really looking forward to a night where I can sleep all the way through and not have to re-air the mattress. It's terrible.

I mean, I've been on an air mattress where you wake up on the floor. That sounds awful. Yeah. Or like when the person next to you gets up and you slam into the floor. Not fun. Not fun. So, yeah, in the middle of that process. But, yeah, that was my weekend.

Taylor, do you want to introduce us? Yes, hello, everyone. Welcome to doomed to fail. We bring you historical disasters and failures. And today, we have a story from first. Yes. I actually tease my story to Taylor. I don't actually think we're reported the tease of the story.

But I want to be doing, you don't remember? I don't think we did either. Got it. Well, this one's going to be a two-parter. And this one's going to be like a little bit like I had to like think a lot in terms of how I kind of structure this. I'm going to go into details here in a minute. I'm going to be. And also it's topical because it was in the news recently.

So that's why I'm going over this topic. I'm going to be discussing the Texas killing fields, which you're out of this, Taylor? I feel like yes, but tell me more. I mean, obviously you're going to tell me more. I'm going to be telling you a lot. Yes, I know everything. So let's just cut this off right now. Thank you for me for listening.

Thank you, everyone. Please join us next book. Yeah, we're going to call, we're going to go over the Texas killing field. Also, you know, obviously it's a rip off of the Cambodian killing fields, which I went through a little side quest in the middle of this. And, man, we got to cover that at some point. Yeah. You know that one, right? Yeah, that sounds terrible.

Yeah, okay. But this one's part into the U.S., we're going to cover this one. So what does the term Texas killing fields refer to? So a little bit of the geography lesson in case anybody doesn't know, Texas is like really, really big. It's a huge, huge state. Like, if you drive through it, it takes several days. I didn't realize this, but I looked it up. It's 70%, almost 70% larger than California is by land mass. It's like crazy big. I mean, it's bigger than like most countries. It's bigger than most countries. You can fit the, like, I think I looked it up, but like you can fit like 15 of the smallest,

States inside of Texas. I'm looking it up. It's larger than like every country in Europe. Yeah. It's twice the size of Germany. It's three times the size of the UK. So yeah, it's huge. We're winning. So because it's so big, even today, much less than the timeline that the time period I'm

to be talking about, it is, there's huge swaths of it that are just like very sparsely populated. And because it covers such a huge landmass, it's kind of weird ecology. So like there's like marshes and swamps and swamps. but deserts and mountains. Like, it's got a whole host of things that are going on with that. That's really cool. So why that,

the reason why that's important is because there are parts of Texas that are, you just don't want to be with someone you don't want to be around there with because nobody's going to hear you screaming. That's the entire point. Absolutely.

My husband and his mom, when they drove from New York to L.A., when we moved here, they got, the car broke down in the middle of Texas, and they, just like, a horror movie like went to a place. and the guy was like, oh, I can do it tomorrow,

and they're like, we're like, we're going to go. And they're like, we're just like, left with like the car almost dying and they're like, we have to leave because if we don't go to a bigger city, we're going to die here. Yeah, yeah. There's a reason why Texas change saw massacre work so well in Texas. It wouldn't work in the middle of like New York City. Yeah. Anyways.

So the Texas killing fields is a stretch of land between Houston and Galveston on the I-45 corridor, where over the course of about 35 years, roughly 34 girls. and very, very young women have been murdered between 1971 and 2006. So the highest concentration of bodies were in the fields and marshes surrounding League City, which is

smack dab between Houston and Galveston. This is Swamp Land. Like I said, the ecology of Texas is really interesting. Like, it's just swaps. Like, Galveston, like, it's on the water. It's Galveston Bay flows in into tributaries that are all along the city coastlines, like in League City, for example. So back in the day, like the 1970s,

league city is where you'd move if you wanted to live in Galveston, but just more priced out of it. So it wasn't like, you're not going to find, like, rich doctors there. You know what I mean? Like, it's going to have a whole vibe to it. Back then, the population of League City was around 10,000 people, and it's obviously grown a lot since then.

But the point being that when it all started, it was just like a large swampy desolate, sparsely populated part of Texas, which is like pretty good if you're trying to kill a bunch of people and get rid of their corpses somehow. Yeah, I mean like, I live next to a giant desert where I'm sure there's just like a ton of dead bodies buried.

Oh, yeah, of course. So like I said, we're gonna go, we're gonna bring this into a two-parter researching this. I'm just going to be blunt with you here. Researching it was kind of pain in the ass. The reason was that all media narratives around this, just break it down into like, who the victims are and then who's who the suspects the people who were convicted for it were like it's

it's not because it's it's not one person you know like it's just it's just like a place this vortex of evil that a bunch of crazy people did a bunch of crazy stuff in but it's not one person so like it's hard to like put a narrative spin completely on it actually broke all this down to like spreadsheets to try and figure out exactly when victims went missing who was who was suspected versus convicted versus what happened then like it was a whole whole whole little thing. It's an incomplete story for the record, just to be totally blunts about it.

And I broke down four parts wide. Number one, we didn't know who some of the victims were until pretty recently, which means a lot of, like, the physical evidence was lost, so tying the right suspects of the right victim was impossible. Two, confessions have been recanted that we're going to go through here in a minute. Three, suspects have died. And four, the connection between suspects and victims were circumstantial at best of

a lot of cases because a lot of these things happened in the 1970s, and the science wasn't really that good back then. You know, that was like the era when it was like, well, she was wearing a red shirt and they found a red piece of strand in the car, so it must have been, that's who did it. You know what I mean? Like, that's the science going on. Yeah. Yeah. So in part one today, we're going to go over like the first third of the killings. and we're going to cover the 1970s through the early 1980s and go into detail over two of the perpetrators, well, the suspected perpetrators.

We'll pick up on the second half with the victims in the 1980s to the 2000s because that story goes a lot faster because there are a lot of dense stuff that happened in the 70s when I guess people would just hitchhiked a lot more and so it was so easy to get murdered in the 70s. But it's also so easy not to get murdered, just don't hitchhike. You know what I mean? talked about hijacking a long time ago, and our friend Henry was like, I did in Europe, but it was fine, or whatever.

Yeah. Henry's the braver man than I am. Yeah. So in 1971 alone, eight girls went missing and were killed in the area, just in 1971. The 1970s in total saw 12 murders here. In the 1980s, there were like 13 more, so that's like 25 murders in about 17 years, give or take.

Of those 13 murders, sorry, of those 13 murders have never had a suspect, much less a conviction. There were eight where a suspect was identified but not convicted, at least not for murder. They were convicted for other things, potentially. And in four cases, there were convictions, but later on it was discovered that

police were doing shady things, and you couldn't really trust those convictions. So that's kind of where we're at. So basically that leaves us with two convictions that aren't suspicious out of 25 murders. This is the kind of numbers that we're looking at right now. So I'm going to start in chronological order. Again, I kind of just like tabled this across like, because you know, it was like 1970s murders.

It's a really messy thing. But I'm going to start in chronological order with the focus being on the suspects or the people who were like suspect or convicted of the crime. It's part of telling the story of what happened. I thought about starting with the victims, but it's just like the exact same story repeated 25 times. Like it's just, you know,

it's like somebody with hijacking and emacres they were killed. It's the exact same story. Yeah. Also, some of these stories will pop back up in part two because there was an arrest made as recently as March of this year, 26, related to some of the 1980s murders. So this is

actually still topical right now. I'm going to start off with the first suspect, this guy named Edward Bell. So this guy was an absolute piece of work. Like, take the murders out of the equation and he's still just human garbage, like one of the worst people ever. But what it's worth, he was never convicted of the six killing field murders, which he was suspected of doing, but he still ended up dying in prison. he has the distinction of being the first Texan to make an appearance on America's Most Wanted

while he was evading arrest for a murder he committed that was unrelated to the killing field. So he was, you were the killer no matter what because he did it. Edward was, he did something. Edward was a college graduate who seemed to be like doing pretty well in life and seemed pretty normal. He went to Texas A&M, which is like a pretty good school here. He was married and when he started out of his career, he was a diver. so he was a professional diver doing that.

Later on, he means... What do you mean? What kind of diver? Like going into lakes and like helping things or teaching people out of dive. Got it. Yeah, it's not that thing to see. Is it by the ocean?

I mean, it's Galveston, yeah. Okay, I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, sorry, Galveston is by Galveston Bay, which opens up to the Gulf of America or Mexico, depending on who you talk to. Yeah. Okay, thank you. Thank you, thank you.

That's right. So he was a diver before he moved on to pharmaceutical sales. His first arrest, which would become a pattern for him, was in 1966 when he was caught exposing himself to children and sent to a psych ward for treatment. He was released three years, he was released from that, and then three years later, he was caught doing the exact same thing to another child. He was again sent for psychiatric treatment, which I think at this point you can kind of say it's not working.

during that time he met his second wife when he was 30 and she was 17 years old she was also in the psych ward of this hospital so doesn't sound like yeah he's not consent to that he's not doing normal people things at this point no that sounds bad um he would continue on after getting married after getting released exposing himself like this is just it's what he does like it's like i don't know like like You're getting a slushy at Sonic. It's like that that's kind of his hobby, you know? He should stop. Get slushies. No, I get Diet Coke's with a little ice. And the ice is the best. And the Sonic buy, you can buy a bag of ice.

So you can tell me. Okay, that's what we're going to tell you. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. So in 1978, he was again exposing himself to children. When a man named Larry Dean Dickens saw him doing this, he accosted Edward, grabbed his car keys.

and prevented him from escaping while they waited for the police to arrive. Wow. Edward pulled out a gun, shot Larry Dean in the stomach. Larry stumbled to the floor and then Edward stood over him and fired another shot into his head.

The police caught him, obviously, after he did this. He had a bail of $125,000 and he bailed out. He was able to actually bail out in the $125,000. He skipped bail and made his way through Central America down to Panama where he worked under an alien, as a diaper, which is what he was doing anyways.

This is a fun little fact. Go ahead. I have a lawyer question for you. Yeah, shoot. Why would you even allow bail for this? Like, what is the point of bail? I have no idea. I have no idea what... It makes no sense to me that somebody who literally stood over someone and shot

them in the head would get a bail option. And they were like, people there, obviously. Like, they saw it. It's not like... His mom saw it. He was by his house. He actually stumbled into... his mom's garage after he got shot in the stomach and the guy walked into the guy's mom's garage to shoot him in the head. Yeah, I feel like, I don't know, I'm not a judge, but I feel like no bill would be like it's a good thing to go. I know. There was a period where we were living in California

where they were trying to revoke the need for cash bills saying it was like unequal, and I was like, no, increased cash bills like the opposite of what you should be doing. I think that, yeah, I think especially in a case where like a billion witnesses. Yeah. Well, fun fact here is in 1992 Unsolved Mysteries aired an episode about this murder with... I bet I watched it. Like 10 out of 10 I watched it in my living room at the child. Can you guess which famous Texan played Larry Dean in this? Oh, I can't. I can't give me any Texans right now. Matthew McCona. Oh, that's cool. I should have. That's fun. That is a fun fact.

Yeah, that was, yeah, nobody knew who Matthew McConaughey was, but he played Larry Dean in the reenactment of this murder. Oh my God, fun. So someone at Hamel recognized him and reported to the police. In 1993, 14 years after he wanted a lamb, he was arrested, found guilty of the murders, or the murder of Larry Dean, and sent us to 70 years in prison. In 2011, it was revealed by retired Galveston homicide detective that why, why, you know, he was revealed, While Edward was incarcerated, he confessed to murdering seven teenage girls in the area between 1971 and 1977. Nothing he stated in his confession letters indicated any special knowledge other than the fact that he was aware of these girls being killed in the area. So no further attempt was really made to prosecute him.

And in 2019, he died of heart failure while he was incarcerated. So we don't know for sure, but it's kind of weird that he just like was volunteering this information. on his own. So it was also worth noting that when he was in Panama, he was also suspected by the Panamanian police of murdering four girls while he was there. So like, there's some stuff that's kind of lining up, but not entirely.

I mean, that's wild. Two of the girls he had seemingly confessed to killing were Rhonda Johnson and Sharon Shaw. We're going to cover their story and a person who was ultimately convicted of their murder, the only two of the 12 that occurred in the six-year span. So there was two convictions for murder that happened out of the 12 that happened in this time period, and those are these two.

And there's just super, super sus. So I'm going to pay attention to this one. Rhonda Johnson and Sharon Shaw were 13 to 14 years old on August 4th of 1971. The two had made their way from their home in Webster, Texas to Galveston Beach, which is roughly a 30 mile distance. I researched trying to figure out how a 13-year-old went 30 miles in a day, and I can only assume it was hitchhiking.

Like, there's no details about anything that happened that day, and I just got to assume they hitchhiked. I'm sure they did. There's no way, there's no, that or like a bus, but like probably that. Probably that, yeah. They were last seen walking alongside the beach on seawall at Boulevard in Galveston, and that was it. Like, there's no details about anything that was going on that day.

It would be four months later when two boys were fishing in Clear Lake, which is literally, like, right there next to Webster. It's in, it's in Webster. When they came across a human skull, a police investigation ensued, and after six more weeks, the bodies of Rhonda and Sharon were discovered in this marshy swamp area in Clear Lake. Oh, poor babies.

Police started asking the public for help. in identifying the events that took place leading up to their discovery, and they received a tip from the local, a local city councilman, telling them they should look into this 23-year-old local gas station intended named Michael Lloyd Self. If you're wondering how and why a city councilman got involved, it's because Rhonda's grandfather was himself a prominent city councilman. And so I think there was like a lot of stuff going on.

They actually hired the two people who were going to reference here as the investigators to come in and investigate this. So they actually, the grandfather seemed to have a lot of polling and had a lot riding on then catching someone obviously as his granddaughter. Obviously, he had an interest in that.

But it was like, it feels more heavy-handed than just like find the right guy that did this and you're going to understand why I say that in a minute. So this wasn't the first guy you talked about. No, no. You don't talk about him. We're not. We're not because

Edward confessed to killing these two. Got it. This is a weird, windy story. It's going to, like, bleed into a lot of different things. Okay. I bolded a bunch of things in my spreadsheet to show where the overlaps were, but this was one of the bulls in terms of that overlap.

Actually, we're not done talking about these two, like, at all today. Like, they're also going to come up next time we'll record because there's the more recent person that was found and arrested. It was also related to these two murders. Okay. Of these girls? These girls were these two murderers? No, these two girls. Oh, okay.

Yeah. That's what the overlap here is. Again, I'm trying to find the right narrative format for this. And it was like, the lynchpin was Edward and then this guy because they are all kind of tied to these two murders that happened in the 70s. Mm-hmm. Okay. So the city councilman tells the police, go look at this guy, Michael Self. And Michael Self wasn't a gem.

He was a known town pervert and sex offender. So, like, he was... One of those. Yeah. They looked into him and brought him in for questioning. And during interrogation, self-confessed to killing Rhonda and Sharon. He was told by the chief of police to write out a confession. Long story short, he goes to trial, gets convicted, sent us to life in prison.

That's his part of the story. Here's where things get weird, though. First off, Edward in the first story, Edward Bell, confessed to killing these two. okay now you have this guy confessing with telling these two self Michael Self retracted his statement of his confession he took back his confession and told whoever that would listen that he was coerced by the police into confessing he also got numerous details wrong about the girls and their death he had the locations wrong the dates what they're wearing all of it like I think at one point he said that he picked them up from their house or something like he just

It sounded like somebody who was making stuff up on the fly. Or being, like, forced to? We'll put a pin in that. He would make several more confessions about the crime over the next couple of days, each of which something would be different. Like, he would forget, like, what he said in the first one and say something different than the next one. The next one would be different with the previous one, so on and so forth.

In 1976, the Galleson Police Chief, the guy I told you they brought in, Don Harris, or sorry, Don. Let me restart. In 1976, the Galveston Police Chief, the team I told you they brought in, the city council brought in, guy named Don Morris, and then his deputy, a guy named Tommy Deal, were arrested after an internal affairs investigation revealed that they had, in fact, beaten and tortured detainees. This occurred during the course of another investigation into numerous bank robberies over the course of four years, where Morrison Deal, were actively robbing banks in town, wild police chief and the deputy. What, how?

No one knew who they were? I can't believe this wasn't a movie. Like, I guess there were no cameras of the 1970s, so nobody knew anything. Like, I'm picturing them just, like, wearing their outfit, their uniform, and then... It, like, says their name on it. Right, but the name thing is a mask, you know?

Like a Nixon mask on. A moustache. Mustache. You may think that I look like the chief of police, but do you be wrong? I was deliberately. I'm trying to frame him. That's why I look like this. Wow.

So these two are arrested on it. The chief of police gets 55 years in prison. The other, the deputy gets 30 years in prison. Did they get bailed? So they actually, they got paroled. They actually did not serve their full term. They got paroled. I don't remember how long they served, but they did get paroled.

Interesting. Then a few years. later in 1980, a random guy whose name is nowhere because nothing happened about this walked into the police station

and confessed to killing Rhonda and Sharon in voluntary information that had deliberately been kept from the public. How did you know that? How did you know these random details?

Right. He even knew the two due to the fact that he lived in the same apartment complex as one of them used to when she went missing. And despite all this, he was never taken into custody

and Michael's self was never paroled or attempted to be retried he eventually so now we have three suspects right like in this case we have the first guy we have the confession from this guy who was beaten by the cops who go to prison for armed robbery

right I believe that guy was a perth I don't believe it he killed those girls yeah yeah and he ultimately died of cancer incarcerated December of 2000. And after his death, the Harris County DA's office, the county in which Houston is in,

came out saying they expressed their doubts over his guilt at all over this. But it's like... Okay, thanks. That's great. A posthumous acquittal is the best kind of acquittal. At least he got health care for that cancer. I'm sure it was great. So that's, I'm going to pause here because there's a lot more that we're going to go into.

In part two, it's going to be insane. We're going to cover the stories of victims of the text killing, so from the 80s to the 2000s, which will include a NASA scientist that police think is a secret killer, a known serial killer operating in the area. And the most recent suspect in the case, which was arrested, who was arrested on March 31st of 20206. We're also going to do a little side quest because one of the missing girls, her father ended up founding a nonprofit to find missing people called Texas Equusurch.

And he took part in situations like Casey Anthony and Natalie Holloway. So there's a lot of tying into this. I feel like I read the book about the Equalsearch people. Yeah. His daughter was one of them. Yeah. His daughter was. Yeah.

I think it was Laura Miller. Let me find my spreadsheet here. Yeah, there it is. Laura Miller. So she went missing in 1984, and her suspected killer is one of the serial killers we're going to be discussing. This guy named Clyde Edwin Hendrick. We got a lot to cover. We still got to cover Clyde Edwin Hendrick, James Dolphs Elmore, Mark Stalling, Kevin Edison Smith, and William Lewis Reese.

So we got a we got a ways to go. Wow. There's a lot of dead people here. This is 34 people between 71 and 2006. So yeah, we got a ways to go. That's wild. What, how big of an area are we talking about? You know what?

It said 25 acres, but I don't, I did a lot of, like, mapping on it. I'm like, I don't think that's 25 acres. That's got to be like thousands of acres. And it's also distributed because there's there's like bodies found different parts. But who we talked about today was smack dab in the middle of Houston to Galveston. So that's about 60 miles. All this happened around Webster, which is right there in the middle of about 30 miles off Galveston Bay. So.

Wow. Yeah. It's a decent distance. I mean, it's not crazy. It's 60 miles, but still like. I mean, that's a lot. Is there a highway through it? Yeah, I-45. I-45 pits all the way through.

Yeah, that's what I would take, for example, if I'm trying to get there. Got it. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. So we're going to cover it. The NASDA scientist thing is going to be really fun. He adds a real fun little, little random side detour to this whole thing. Remember that one astronaut who, like, tried to kill her, the other astronaut's wife? I wonder what happened to her. And she, like, drove across the country with a diaper on. That was like the part that you remember.

That's the only part you remember. Yeah. Did we not cover her at some point? I don't think so, but we can't. I mean, we should. I mean, I think, oh, I think I feel like when that happened, I was like, I think the answer is that space makes you crazy. Like, just like, turns you into a fucking crazy person. We could do, we could do one where we do a multi-parter on NASA scientists who committed crimes.

Yes, we should do that. Is the jet propulsion guy also nuts? Yeah. It's a, that, that, last podcast is like a really, a long thing on that guy. Yeah, that guy was also nuts. Yeah, yeah. I was just telling the kids how

delighted I am whenever I remember that when NASA first started, they called it the NASA. I just love it. Seriously? Like my favorite fact. Yeah. Isn't that adorable?

I didn't not know that. And then they were like, oh, this actually sounds better as a whole word, but calling it the NASA is really, really fun. It sounds like a spy agency when you put it that way.

Doesn't it? It sounds so much cooler. I mean, and it still is cool. Doing cool shit right now. Yeah, so, yeah, we used to go to the, oh, man, I can't remember, I keep on to say Cape Canaveral. I know it's not, but the Houston Space Station, we used to do trips all the time. That was like our family vacation, yeah. We saw Project Hail Mary.

I don't know if you've seen it yet, but it's great. It's pretty good. It's very long. And I wasn't expecting to get emotional, and I don't like being emotional. And when I fell in love with the rock monster, I was like, I hate that y'all made me feel things. I deliberately avoid movies that made me feel things, and y'all did it. Wow.

That's a lot. I read it before, so I knew, I made the kids, I made everyone wait to watch it until I read it. But, yeah, I liked it a lot. We're going to see the Mario movie tonight. That's pretty good. I'm going to go see Hocom. I don't know what that is. It is.

It's being touted as the scariest movie of 2026. Oh, tell me more. Well, it's, I don't think it's actually out yet. There's like a special release that Almo was doing. With Adam, what's his face? Scott. Scott. Cute.

Yeah. I saw the preview and it looked scary. That's exciting. Well, Taylor, do we have any lists from Al? I feel like I do somewhere and I can't find it, but I did want to say that this week was two of our besties birthdays. It was Morgan's birthday and it was my husband's birthday. So thank you both, Juan Carlos. and Morgan for listening to our show.

We appreciate you. I have one list for me all. Daniel Shepard. Thank Daniel for consistently listening. Did write to me saying, if you like The Beatles, this is a good musical, and he linked me out to a movie

called Across the Universe. Oh, Nadine said that she likes Anne Juliet, which I have heard about as well. And that one has a bunch of like 2000 songs in it. but it also feels like that seems as a little like glee it's a jukebox musical so maybe that's what around or across whatever the universe is too

like a song in and out but you know the songs which is fun that would be fun okay if it's that I could actually get into it I think that that could make it better for you maybe that that's what the what was it across the universe would be too because you know the Beatles songs so you'd be like okay it doesn't feel like as weird that they're like seeing something else

Okay, we'll go ahead and cut it off there. Apologies for the rambling. Thank you, please write to us. We have to go. I'm like that song.