Doomed to Fail - Ep 246: Wings of Doom! - The Mothman & The Silver Bridge

Episode Date: May 12, 2026

Buckle up for an engineering disaster! In 1967, the Silver Bridge collapsed, killing 46 people in the freezing Ohio River. Were there warning signs? The bridge itself passed inspections, but it was a tiny crack that was its doom... BUT people around the area had spent the past year reporting strange sightings! A man-shaped thing with glowing red eyes and wings, UFOs, Men in Black (and not the fun ones)! Was it all a warning??   Listen in to discuss how you should never go on a bridge, the logistics of sleeping with a man with bat wings, and more!  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In the matter of the people of the state of California versus Horanthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow, Americans, what your country is. Boom. We are recording Taylor on this glorious Mother's Day. How are you? Good. Good, good, good, good. It's a good Mother's Day. Florence 3D printed me something, which, of course, I love. What is that? Well, this is not, this, these are these flowers. I'm doing something else. Like, I'm going, I go to that, go to a retreat with my friends every year. And so I'm not doing it again until you. January, but I'm making gifts to everybody because I'm just like a head. Look at this necklace I made that has Miles is the name in my handwriting. It's all 3D printed. All 3D printed. You are, you are

really into this. Like for Mother's Day, for Flows, one of Flo's friends, I had her, I had her friend, write her own name and her own handwriting on the iPad, and then I was able to make it into a necklace and give it to her mom's Mother's Day. Isn't that cute? That's so cool. And then I invented. Last night, I was like messing with stuff, and so I'm working on it, but like I'm designing. a thing that can go on like the corner of the wall because I have like some corners where they always get hit by people like walking by and it takes the paint off. You know what I mean? And I was I was going to buy like at Home Depot they have wood. You can get like a big, you know, eight foot or however your doors are or your walls are a piece of wood and paint it and like put that on it. But I was like,

it's going to be annoying. But that's what I was thinking of doing. But now I'm thinking I can make this thing. I'm going to make them kind of click together. And I can just print a bunch of this cool corner design and it has like scallop design like a doot do do do and it's gonna be cool and I'm gonna print it that's an invention you can say you invented that I haven't heard of that thank you anyway super super excited still printing constantly I moved it into the kitchen and then my husband's like it can't just be in the middle of the kitchen and I'm like I get that but like this way I can print all night long because it's so loud do you mean yeah it's loud yeah fun you're still rocking along with the 3D printing

I wonder if the novelty will wear off, but I don't know. It doesn't sound like it. So far, no. It's been a good, solid month of constantly 3D printing. It's because you're creative. That's the thing. You have a lot of hobbies. You do a lot of things.

And so you have a, like, I was thinking to myself, like, if I did it, I'm like, what would I do? Like, honestly, I mean, I don't know. I don't like things the way you like things. I don't have a ton of hobbies that I'm kind of mixed up in. So, I don't know. Yeah. It's good for you.

You need the vision. You got to have the vision and the creativity. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This fidget thing that I have right here. I think I showed you this already, this Infinity Cube.

You did not show me that. Anyway, I'll make one of these for your birthday. This is mine. These things are stupid expensive, by the way. I know. I love that. I don't understand why this piece of paper is $26. I got one at a thruster one time for like a dollar, because then I tried to buy one

normally and I was like, whoa, that's stupid expensive. Yeah. They're shocking. Anyway. Also, hopefully my internet is better. My husband this week was like, I have an Ethernet cord you could use. And I was like, you've had that the whole time.

Do you mean an Ethernet board? Don't I sound a lot better than usual? I'm not breaking up at all? Yeah, I guess. It was always hit and miss with you. I always assumed that when your Internet was good, you were on Wi-Fi and the kids weren't streaming something. That's fair.

wasn't and so that was kind of my assumption but i think this ethernet cable is really helping yeah hopefully it's stay strong um well do you want to go ahead and introduce us yes hello everyone welcome to doomed to fail um my name is taylor this as far as we're talking uh history's most fun disasters and failures it's one of our favorite things to do it's our favorite thing to do it is it is so fun we love it we love disasters. We love engineering disasters. It sounds like a few of our listeners like engineering disasters too.

I forgot who sent us that amazing list, but thank you. My friend Shannon, yes, that list was incredible. She's also been such a freaking champ liking and commenting on our social post. So thank you, Shannon. Really appreciate you.

Thanks, Shannon. Super nice. Cool, well, I have one. I have an engineering disaster that scares me a lot. Is it because every one of Shannon's recommendations had to do with Josh Retrie disasters. No, but it's all very scary. Like the whole,

I mean, any of these things and like we've talked about like you did some collapses that are just so scary. The Kansas City Hyatt Skywalk collapse, you know, you just like comes out of nowhere. You're like having fun and all of a sudden you're like in a pile of rubble, you know? Crazy. You did that, um, a department store in Korea in South Korea that collapsed. So you're just like conditioning unit that was way too heavy. Just like going about your day and the building around you collapses. And I think when you did that, it was around the time that that apartment building in Miami collapsed. Yeah.

And that was just so awful. Like, those things make me so scared because, like, the idea that you could be in there for days and they don't find you, and you're like, your leg is broken. And you're in the dark. And, like, you potentially can drown because, like, a pipe opens. And, like, maybe you know where your family is. Maybe you don't. Maybe you hear them screaming. And then they stop screaming because they die.

But no one will ever know that story because you've just been dead. That happened at the KC. it because it did break a bunch of pipes and people were stuck on the rubble and they did drown. God. Can you imagine that? Of all the ways you'd think you're going to die that day, you're like, I'm going to be drowned in the lobby of a hotel. You would never. Yeah.

You would never. So, yeah, oh, they're so scary. I have an engineering disaster and a mystery together in one story, which is the 1967 collapse of the Silver Bridge in Point Pleasant, West Virginia. Is that familiar? Okay. No, it's not. Do you, they were, so this is a bridge collapse, and I'll tell you more about it. But they were potentially warned that something bad was going to happen by visits from the mothman.

Oh, this is fun. Yeah. Yeah. West Virginia, of course. Yeah. Infamous mothman siting location. And these are the first sightings of the mothman in the 1960s. So to prep for this episode, I watched and forced my husband to watch, bless his heart,

the Mothman prophecies with Richard Gere and Laura Linney, which was... I saw that. Which was very bad. They like... Is it still bad? I thought it was a good one as we could. No, it's bad. It's very like, I wish I was watching The X-Files because they do a lot of like weird, like,

dramatic, like, changes between scenes with like a red flash and like a microfiche and like a thing. So it was like the same set designer or whatever as like a graphic designer as X-Files or like they wanted to do that. And then there's like a bunch of stuff that like is in like the real history of the story, but they didn't really explain it well. I mean, obviously. And you're like, where'd that come from? Like what is that? You know, so it's not great. But the collapse of the bridge is very scary in the movie.

So definitely like if you want to get an idea of what it feels like should be in a bridge collapse, which you probably don't. You could watch the last 10 minutes of the Mothman prophecies and you could see that there. But my main source actually is my. colleague Taylor, who I work with at my job, she did a lunch and learn on the mothman a couple years ago just to tell everybody about it. She did a ton of research, so I stole a lot from her presentation. So thank you, Taylor, for doing that at work. So leading up to the collapse of the Silver Bridge in December, 1967, which was like a fatal engineering collapse, a lot of weird shit was happening in Point Pleasant West Virginia. And West Virginia is creepy because of the mountains and it has like

Appalachia, Appalachia creepy vibe anyway. Like you don't want to be outside. Like there is a great Instagram guy that I follow called Latinos against spooky shit. And he always watches like some people in like this area like in West Virginia where they like close their windows at night. And then they people knock on their windows and like say their name and they're like, don't answer, don't answer. know, and he'll be like, absolutely like not. Like you can't be anywhere near that. So like all that weird, that creepy stuff happens there. Like it's late at night and it's scary.

Plaint Pleasant is on the Ohio River, on the border of West Virginia and Ohio. So it's like as west as you can get in West Virginia is where Point Pleasant is. And people start in 1966 reporting sightings of strange creature, strange encounters, and weird dreams. And Laura Linney, who is like the kind of. in the mothman prophecies says this very like for better words she says it's not just like the town speed freak it's good people so it's like not just a weirdo that you'd be like oh yeah that guy has always seen stuff it's like volunteer firemen people from the national guard journalists like people who are usually reputable are seeing something weird happening around town so what are they seeing what are you if you could describe the mothman to me farce how would you describe him if you've ever seen jeeper's creeper's It's the monster of Jeepers creepers. That's fair. That's right.

I mean, yeah, I think so. He's like a big winged, winged humanoid creature. He, when they see him, he flies straight up into the air. He doesn't like, it's like a jump and fly. And then it's like he's seven feet tall with an eight to 11 foot wingspan.

He's either gray or brown, like weird skin toned. He has muscular man-like legs, which is gross, and then, like, wings. But mostly he has red eyes, like red glowing eyes that people, like, are, like, masturbized by and have seen. Now that I'm thinking of it, in a lot of the Romanticity books I read, some of the, like, hot guys have wings like this, you know? And I'm like, dude, it's all fun in games when, like, Cassian, like, one of the hot guys is, like, flying you around town.

But imagine, like, sharing a duvet with a man with wings. I'd be like, get the fuck out of my bed. Like, your wings are in the way. They slap me in the face 15 times in the middle of the night. You stole the covers. Like, ew. The wings are the covers. Ew.

They're actually, that does happen. Or they, like, are sad and they, like, hold you to there and they'll, like, cocoon you in their wings. But I don't want to be cocooned in your, like, weird skin wings. Ugh. You're making it sound more bat and less bird. Yeah, no, those, but they're bat wings. There are bird winged guys in these romantic books as well. But that, I think, it would just be a mess to live with.

You know? It would be like, good feathers everywhere, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't, I don't love it. The logistics of dating a man with wings are too much if you think about it. But the mothman himself, like he's just like a creature people see.

Man with wings, shoots up in the sky. They named him after the killer moth, which is a Batman villain. It's really got the idea to name him the mothman. Also recently, last pocket on the left, they had Mothman coffee and they got sued by another company that had Mothman. man coffee so they renamed it butterfly dude coffee which is silly and funny that's pretty cute yeah i like that so here the stories of people seeing the mothman and we'll talk about how this connects to the bridge later so one of the first sightings was on november 1st 1966 and a national guardsman at the point pleasant base so in point pleasant there's a couple things there's a military base

and it's also an old tn t factory so places where there's like secrecy and poison in the air, you know, stuff like that. Like kind of like weird old factory places, like partially abandoned the T&T factory, things like that. So this made, this national guardsman, again, like a person in the military, he sees an impossibly large creature perched in a tree. And he thought it was a dude. He's like, why is there a man in this tree? You know, that's super weird. And he went to get someone else to come see it.

And by the time he came, it was gone. But it was like officially reported because he had to like leave his, his spot to find someone else to be like, dude, something. weird is happening outside. A couple days later on November 14th at 10.30 p.m. A man whose last name is Partridge and his dog Bandit, who's a German shepherd, are in their house in like not a neighborhood, like in the middle of the woods. And Bandit starts going crazy. He starts just like barking and scratching at the door. Something something's outside. So Partridge grabs his gun and turns out the TV, grabs his gun, looks outside. And he sees red eyes that. That glow like bicycle reflectors, he said. So like imagine, you know what you know what that means.

Like just like red circles glowing in the distance. And Bandit takes off towards this creature. So it's running toward the thing. Partridge tries to go after him. The dog is never found. Bandit's gone. So like the Mothman eat Bandit? I don't know. Like he just never found. He never found him again. The next day, November 15th, two couples, Roger and Linda Scarberry and Steve and Mary Millett. they are around the TNT area and Linda sees two red eyes and they all saw like a huge animal that was shaped by like a man but bigger and they were like hypnotized by his eyes. You know, that was like the thing because you'd be like what the fuck are these glowing eyes. That's one of the scariest things I can think of, you know?

And they leave as fast as they can because they're like in this like old factory. They leave and he follows them. and they go to the police. And he took them seriously. So he took their report and was like, okay, these people are obviously terrified. And it was in the Point Pleasant Register, which is a newspaper.

And the article was called Couples see man-sized bird creature, something, which is a fun headline. But in that article, there's a couple of things that I thought were like so actually scary where Scarberry, one of the men, he said, quote, I'm a hard guy to scare.

But last night, I was. for getting out of there. He said the thing followed them. It was hovering over their car, apparently gliding until they reached the National Guard Armory. He said, we went downtown, turned around and went back, and there it was again. It seemed to be waiting on us. Isn't that crazy? Yes, we'd be. I hate that it was like gliding and following them. And then they said that they think that the creature was afraid of light and it maybe thought it was scaring them off, like away from the TNT plant. So they got the feeling that it was trying to get them to leave the place that they were.

It's kind of weird calling it a moth man. And it's a scary. I know. Yeah. That's a weird one. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's super scary.

The idea of like hovering over the car, I absolutely hate it. Like I hate that it would follow you that like you see it around. On November 27th, outside New Haven, West Virginia, there is a woman who sees the moth man during the day at a golf course. And her eyes get like. really red. So they do this in the movie for a couple of the characters, but like her eyes were like, she had really bad pink eye, like both of her eyes. And it's something that you can get from exposure to ultraviolet rays. So like presumably the thing that this girl saw at the golf course like burned her eyes enough to give her like really red eyes. And her aunt is a woman

named Mary Hire and Mary Hire is a journalist. We're going to talk to her in a little bit as well. So she, like, tells her aunt and she, like, tells us all this is happening. And so it's not just the moth man that people are seeing around town, around Point Pleasant in this area. There's also sightings of the men in black. Oh, yeah. And, like, what do you know about the real men in black also? Oh, right. Yeah, it's a UFO mythology.

The men and black movies are different than what I understand the men in black, the real ones to be. the real ones are aliens who are trying to be human-like. Yes. And they think that a human is just a man wearing a black suit and a hat for some reason. And so, yeah, there's a fun mythology around them. Yeah, I think it's exactly that. And so I think also when I was writing this, I was like, wait, I wonder if the real men in black, like the aliens or whatever, were the ones behind the men in black movies to make you think that the men in black are like charming.

and fun when they're not, you know. They're tracked. It would track. Yeah. It's like a red herring to make you not think the men of black are cool. Because people who report seeing like real men and black, like you said, like there are people who are pretending to be human, actually more like Vincent Dinoffrio than both with us. You know, right.

Like these are my human clothes. This is my human music. You know, that kind of thing. When people see them, they like come to their house and like knock on the door and like interrogate you. They wear black clothes, hats and sunglasses, and makeup. People have seen them all over, like a lot in America, probably all over the world, look at different names for them, but they come like after some sort of paranormal activity

or like a UFO sighting or you see a cryptid or something weird and like a weird man's going to come to your house and like ask you questions about it, you know, in like a weird non-human way. Right. You know? So on November 2nd, 1966, there's a man who's driving on the I-77 in, like in between between West Virginia and Ohio. And this is one day after the National Guard person who saw him,

which was like the first person to see the mothman. And there's a UFO chasing his car. He's like, this thing came out of the sky. It's not a mothman. It's like a thing that is like hovering over my car, like a thing that's chasing my car. So he stops and he's like, I don't know what to do. And he gets out of his car.

And then another car comes up behind him. And a man comes out and starts asking him questions. and this man is called, he tells him his name is Indrid Cold, which is the fakes fucking name I've ever heard and very scary. Indrid Cold. Okay, I wonder if there's an anagram for that. I know. It's scary like cotton matter.

That's what made you think of. In the Mothman Prophecies movies, they kind of like don't make it make sense. They kind of make you think the Mothman is Indrid Cold, but they have him talk to Richard Gere on the phone, which is very scary. You know, he's like, I know where you are. I know who you are. Blah, blah, blah.

There's a whole thing that, like, you know, Indrid Cold knows the future, but he's warning you, but he can't tell you where he's from. Like, he is a moth man, but I don't think he is a moth man, but, like, it's still, like, people see him in this area,

and he's, like, a man in black figure. They also call him the grinning man because he described him as, like, a man with, like, an unhuman-like smile. It's creepy. You know, like, just like... It's even worse. I know, and you've just been chased by UFO.

No. No, no, no, no. Oh, also the questions that he asked him, he didn't ask with his mouth. He asked telepathically. Of course. Why wouldn't you? And he said, we'll see you again. You know, whatever. He was very nice about it, but like asking questions about the UFO. Another man visited Mary Heyer, who is that reporter whose niece saw the moth man. He said that he was driving to Point Pleasant and he saw another UFO and the grinning man. And the gritting man asked him, who are. you, where are you from? Where you going? What time is it? And when Mary called the man back to verify his story, he said, don't get me involved. The scientists from Ohio said not to say anything more. So someone else come to that guy's house and be like telling people that you saw this man who like did this thing. So very, very creepy. So like sometimes like men in black are nice. So like maybe they're government agents, maybe they're reptilians, you know. And sometimes they say

things mean that are like no one will believe you if you talk about this like don't tell anybody again so like there could be a lot of people who've been visited a man in black and don't say anything because they're scared which makes totally sense that you would be afraid because this person is like not a person in some really fucking weird way you know once they're talking to you telepathically it's like whatever secrets you got buddy they die with me yeah 100% like you're fine i'm not gonna i don't want to be on the news for this let's let's let's let's go so that's what's happening around this time. So there are mothman sightings, there's

this injured cold guy, grinning man, there's Ben in Black, there's UFOs, so like weird stuff's happening in this concentrated area. It's also the 1960s. And so like, it's the Cold War, there's nuclear threats, like tensions are high.

It's, you know, kind of a stressful time to like be around. So it could be part of that as well, like feeding into it, of course. So all of that is happening. you know, at this time. So nothing bad happens. It's just people see him or see other people and they're like just something unexplainable, but like nothing bad until December 15th, 1967. At 4.58 p.m., the silver bridge that connects West Virginia and Ohio over the Ohio River collapses. That's a bad time.

It's a bad time. It is cold. It is dark because it is five o'clock in December. So it is a freezing and it is dark and traffic is heavy because it's like rush hour holiday traffic so the silver bridge is technically was named the point pleasant bridge but they called it the silver bridge because it was painted silver it was a suspension bridge which you can think of it kind of like the golden gate bridge yeah you know um and i was on the golden gate bridge once and i hated it because i feel like every fucking movie i've seen it's like it collapsing and i'm like i hate it it it's moving i hate it i want nothing to do with this you feel it moving moving, it has like a large swath of it that is like great, great. And so you can like look down and you can see hundreds of feet below you. It's probably hundreds of feet. But so you can see straight into the water. I hate it. I hate,

hate it, hate it, I like the Brooklyn Bridge. I don't feel like the Brooklyn Bridge is going to collapse because of all the bricks. But like, I don't know. You know, it's like obviously like old as well.

But like the suspension is of the bridge. And it's the same feeling that I, get when I'm in a building that moves, when I'm like, I understand this building is supposed to move, but I don't like it. Yeah, it's unnatural. It's like the reptilian part of your brain is telling you this is bad. Exactly. Exactly. So the silver bridge was built in 1928, which is a different time for transportation than 1967. So in 1928, 60% of American families had a car, which I feel like is high. So it's a lot. It's more than I would have guessed. Yeah, me too. But by 1967, it was 80 to 85%. of families had a car and many families had more than one and cars were also heavier and they were in the 1920s like to think of a big 60s 60s car the bridge was built with ibar chains so the ibar is like the shaping around the bridge so like a suspension bridge has a lot of like they're not cables but they're like they're like they kind of look like a wrenches and they go up and down across the bridge and they're connected that creates like a geometrical shape that makes like the the structure of the bridge.

bridge. It's very common to build bridges that way. And the eye bars are connected with pins, so like really big pins that like connect them together. So it does, so what it's connected, it does look like two wrenches on a bolt, basically. And then they connect to each other. So the, the eyebar itself is two inches wide. It has a domed cap at the top. It holds most of the bridge together. Many bridges that are built with iBars have several layers of redundancy. they'd have like four to seven eye bars, you know, just in holding each, each section. The silver bridge only had two. So they were connected with 12 inch diameter pins, so like they're huge.

But they're made with this newer steel. It's supposed to be stronger. They were like, oh, we only need two. So it was okay as long as the two were working, you know, but there wasn't enough redundancy. So if one of them broke, the second one couldn't hold the load. and then it would break, you know. So it also, like I was saying,

had like the rocker towers that are supposed to move. It's supposed to have a little bit of movement in it as well. It was supposed to hold a lot of weight. So the weight of the cars that were on it in 1967 should have been okay. Like there was no, it's not really that that did it, but like it was heavier, but like it should have been fine and it was fine, obviously for a long time.

But one eye bar cracked at the top. It was eye bar number 330. And when it cracked, so like the circly part of the wrench part cracked, the pressure went to the second one and that one couldn't hold it. So then the bridge began to collapse. And partially it was like the cold weather, just like it was an old bridge. And even if it had been, I don't know the last time it was inspected, but even if it had been expected recently, they wouldn't have found it because it was on like the second layer. So like an inspector with. Exactly.

So an inspector with his eyes would have been like everything is fine. Like this bridge looks totally fine. He would not have seen the crack. But because of it, it collapses. And the cars and the people in those cars are thrown into the freezing cold Ohio River, which is the scariest fucking thing I can think of. It's so scary. So scary.

Night. You got layers on so that water's dripping you down given the weight. Yeah. In the movie, Richard Gair jumps into the water with his coat on, and I'm like, bad idea. They hurt off. Also, so it's cold and it's dark, and you're drowning and you're scared. And then also, you probably, there's probably people in the car with you that you want to save unless you're Ted Kennedy. Then, you know, you don't save that person.

And then I was thinking, like, I know Ted Kennedy isn't, didn't become president, but I was thinking, like, which presidents would save you if you fell into the water with them. And, like, obviously, like, I think Obama would save you. I think the Bushes would save you. I think all the generals would have saved you. I think that like Taft would save you, but it would be the last thing he did. I think Clinton would save you if you were a 23-year-old girl. Exactly. I don't think Bill Clinton would save you.

No, definitely not. I don't think he'd save me either. I think I'm too old. I think he would, you know, save, you know, save, not like a child, but he'd save like a young woman. I don't think that Donald Trump would save you because I don't think he knows how to swim. Probably not. Yeah, I just like doubt he knows. Or if he ever did.

I never thought of that. Doesn't anywhere. Yeah. So, but you're worried about other people, you know, you're like, it's just such a terrible way to go. And it's not, it's dark, yes, but also you can see the lights of the other cars, which they do in the movie that really well, which is actually so fucking scary. Because they do like a pan out and then like the bridges collapse and you see like the headlights pointing up. It's so gross. And so, and there's also Christmas present floating in the water, which is so scary.

Also, that wouldn't happen because the engines would be the heaviest part of the car. The tail lights would be pointing up probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But in the movie, it was the way around. Sure. For, I don't know, for a fact. And it works because it's scary.

And oh, the Christmas presence floating is scary. And also that reminds me of like the murder house in L.A. that we lived by where it was like the guy murdered his family on Christmas. So the Christmas presents were all still there on open. So creepy. We should have bought that house, by the way. I know. They, they, someone totally gutted it. and then sold it again,

which is such a disaster because it was cool. Anyway, 46 people died. When it collapsed, there were 37 cars on the bridge and 31 of them fell into the water. So, like, also, I think they do, in the movie, they do this as well.

Like, it's not like your car by itself slowly falling into the water. It's crashing into other cars as it falls, you know? And, like, I feel like you'd be lucky if you, if, like, a piece of the bridge hit you in the head of you, died instantly, you know, and then your car fell in the water because otherwise, you're drowning. Of the 46 people, 44 bodies were found. The bodies of Kathy, Bias and Maxine Turner, both from Point Pleasant, were never found.

So they just like Rushdown River, poor ladies. Afterwards, they would, in 1971, the National Bridge inspection standards are established after the 1960 Federal Aid Highway Act. So there's new, after that, There was like new ways to test bridges and do inspections and things like that. So that is good news that they're doing more inspections on them. So how does it connect to the mothman? So why do we think that they are connected? So Mary Hire, the journalist who had talked to her niece about the moth man and then the other man about the men in black had a dream about the bridge collapse. So that was like kind of like a thing that she said might happen.

And some people think that they saw or say that they saw the moth man perched on or near the bridge right before. it collapsed. And so they think that he was like warning people that something bad was going to happen. In 1975, a man named John Keel wrote the book, The Mothman Prophecies, basically saying, yes, this is what happened. And that helped turn it into like, you know, a story, like a fun story that people, you know, talk, then people talked about it more. So now in Point Pleasant, there's a mothman museum, there's a big mothman statue. Like, they really like, you know, talk about it a lot because he hasn't been seen there in their sense. But he has been seen an other places. So a couple of the places they see him, they saw him in Moscow before there were apartment

bombings in 1999. Some people say they saw him before Chernobyl, like warning people there. In Chicago, which is super, I don't, like, I don't know, like, I can't think of anything that, like, super bad that happened, but they see him all the time at O'Hare at the airport. So, like, there's a, like, there's like a really compelling story of like a UPS worker who was like, yeah, I just saw him standing on the tarmac. Like, he's there, you know? And then, like, people see him all the time around Lake Michigan. So, like, I don't know.

Like, what that's the harbinger of, but people see, see him there. So the answer is, like, is he a warning from, like, the future or another dimension or another time or a thing who's, like, trying to tell us in some way that something bad is going to happen and doing that by scaring the shit out of people. Be good after all these deck dates. He's learned how to read and write. Or really, you can write some note. That's going to happen.

You should check eyebar number 3.30. Love the Mothman. It's more compelling. We'd probably listen to that more. So the moral of this story is never go on bridges, especially at night, because they're scary. And if you see the Mothman, please stop what you're doing because what you're doing is dangerous and leave. Do we know why the bridge collapse? I know you said there's a.

crack in it. Do we know, like, I mean, what does that just cause to 40 plus years of wearing terror? Yeah. Yeah. It's just we're in terror. And then like the, um, the weather, I think was a little bit of it just because it was cold and, you know, metal contracts and all that stuff, like, depending on the, on the things. I would just, yeah, I just cracked and it had just like been a long, a long time. Are most the bridges in the U.S. at risk of collapsing or something? Most likely. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I know. I know there's like the one, there's one. There's one. There's one. in New York that I like hated and it I think they might have redone it but it was like this bridge is due to collapse good luck and you're like I hate being this bridge so much I don't know what to do like I just I don't want anything to do with this and like sometimes like that went in Baltimore that collapsed because like that boat hit it recently you know like that was so awful and like so sad

but that was like a direct cause but this one was just like you had to be there at the exact wrong time to die yeah in that collapse because it was like gonna collapse but like it wasn't like one person who hit it or one more person who did it, it was just like the stress of it existing just finally did it. Yeah. Yeah, the world kind of grew around it. Exactly.

What's designed for a different place and time? Yeah. Yeah. Creepy. So I feel like the Mothman's a good guy. It feels like he's a good guy. He hasn't hurt anybody. He just kind of like scares you. But maybe that's like...

He might have eaten Bandit. He might have eaten Bandit. That's true. So there's one kill on his record. But maybe Bandit was going to do something bad. Maybe Bandit was Dog Hitler. See, that's another thing that Taylor at my job and I have been talking about is like

if you had a button and the button was like, kill the worst person in the world, would you press it? And we were like, of course. But I was like, what if you press it and it's a baby? And you're like, oh my God. Because if you go back in time and you kill baby Hitler, you're just a person who killed a baby. Yeah, you're not the good person. No one's going to believe you. No one's going to have.

be like, this baby's really bad. They feel like, you just killed a baby. And so only you would know that you were the hero of the world in that way. You know what's funny? I was just thinking about that. I just saw the movie obsession. Have you seen, heard of that one? I don't know.

I don't think it's. Okay, it's really good. It's fantastic. You should absolutely go see it. It's a horror movie, but it's kind of like a fun one. Yeah, it technically gets released like next Friday, but we got like a pre-screening version of it. And it's about a guy, but it's pretty short. It's about a guy who is in love with this girl,

he's his friends with, but she doesn't reciprocate, and he is able to grant one wish, and his wishes for her to love her more than anything, and it backs up hers in a horrible, horrible ways. This part's like a little bit of a spoiler alert, so, like, maybe you don't listen to this part. Long and short, she ends up killing a bunch of people

as this possessed version of herself. And the only way to break the spell, again, major spoiler. Okay, you left if you didn't want to hit the spoiler. but I'm still going on the spoiler. Major spoiler, she ends up killing two people as part of this love affair that she had possessed self-hazard of this guy.

And the only way that the wish goes away is if the guy who does the wish kills themselves, Dick kills himself or the girl dies. And he ends up killing himself. Again, spoiler, I'm so sorry. But I was thinking myself, I was like, isn't it better if you kill her? because she killed two people

and it's very traceable that she killed these people so when the spell breaks because you killed yourself and the cops show up at the door there's still going to go to jail for her life or go to a looney van even worse like you're not helping her in that situation oh my goodness that's true

but then if you kill her then you put it on yourself so I don't know maybe you kill her and then you just like fucking flee the crime I don't know how to do it but yeah that's for all sake You should wish for money. That's stupid. Money would make a woman love you. Yeah. One of the scenes, his friend wishes for a billion dollars

and all those money starts pouring from the sky. It's really funny. That's the right answer. You wish for money, you wish to heal the planet, and then you wish to free the genie. Those are the three answers. Do, do, do, do. That's it.

You only got one wish. Well, I'm saying if you had three wishes. Okay. If one wish is just the money. Give me the money. Give me all the money. I won't be an asshole with it. I mean, it might be like a little bit,

but like not that bad. I think when you're that rich, there is no other way to be. Yeah, I just like forget about humanity. Like, yeah. What are these people walking around with their little lives? There's no consequence to me. So that time Ellen DeGresteris asked Bill Gates,

how much a banana cost is like, I don't know, $15. Yeah. You're like so far removed from the world. What could it cost Michael $10? Yeah, I know. silly. Well, I have no idea how we got back around this from Mothband. No, it's cool. You just spoiled the movie for everybody and you guys should see the Mothman movie. It's terrible. But if you're like, I don't know, super high, why not? Um, it's fun. Yeah, it's like, I mean, it's just like,

I think you should also, it's like, instead you should watch an X-Files episode. Yeah, fair enough. Like, there's plenty of others that you watch that are just good. You can watch the last 10 minutes of Mothin, which was like the only actual like scary part, which is, it was scary. I didn't And I didn't like when Andrew Cole called people. It was another movie, like, from the past, from the, from the 80s, I think, that was, like, a guy was talking to a guy, and then he, like, called on the phone. So he was, like, on the phone and looking at him. Like, I hate that. Like, I hate that, like, someone on the phone being, like, I know.

Yeah. Yes. Yes. That preview made me so scared when I was little. I don't think I ever saw it because that preview me and be so scared. And then, like, yeah, the idea of someone calling you and, like, because in the movie, Richard Gear, like, he's like, what am I holding? And she's like, 3D printed flowers. He's like, oh, my God, how'd you know?

And that's fucking scary. I don't like that. Someone, like, knowing exactly what you're doing in your room. For those listening, Taylor's holding up 3D printed flowers. That's why we laugh. I am. The Indrid Cold is watching me being like, all you do is 3D print stuff, Taylor.

You haven't been very interesting in a while. Well, that's fun. We got our first engineering disaster show that you did. You've never done an engineering disaster. I don't know. I feel like maybe we've done so many. I know. You lose track.

Like Morgan, one of our most, most listened listeners was like, you should do Adventure Park. And I was like, oh, I did. And she was like, oh, my God, you've done so many. I know. I guess that's an engineering disaster. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. but yeah scary bridges nope bridges no is the answer to that yeah get yourself a kayak that's safer probably not actually but still like that

oh I did the Hillsborough that wasn't really engineering but that was like the way that people walk into a that event and they all got crushed and then there was all in that episode also there was the Happy Valley where a thing with a

like the stands fell at like a horse race. Yep. I was looking through it. And you did the soccer thing, but that was a crowd crush situation. No, that was that one. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, here we go.

What did I list for engineering disasters? Anyway, I list them all on our website and our sub-sack. I think they all exist. But thank you. Yeah, thank you, Shannon, for your suggestions. And then also a bunch of friends, of my friends have been listening. So thank you to Natalie and Lauren. and Karen, my friend Karen, listen to the Volcano episodes.

My friend Natalie is listening to the Olympics episodes, and we were talking about how bad we feel for Richard Jewell other day over text. So thank you to my friends. We're going back and listening to some of those. There are not because they listen to both of us. They are now our friends. So thank you, my friends. Thank you to my friends.

For me and Taylor. Yes. It's super cool. And please tell more. friends if you like it tell other people um we'd love to keep talking about it and then yeah thank you shannon for all those engineering disasters as far as if you do one tell me so that i won't do it too um but they're really fun i will um do we have any listener ma'am ma'am ma'am ma'am no that was that was kind of my listener section when i was thinking my friends nice um well thank you for sharing taylor

um to all the listeners yes tell your friends so they can become our friends, write to us to doodle-fod at Gmail.com. Find us on all the social to doofl pod. If you want Taylor to 3D print you anything, 3D print of merch, she will do it. Give me a call. Give me 3D printing ideas because right now Miles is printing fake money that he made.

He like drew a little person and then like a number one, so printing that. And yeah, it's just endless, endless possibilities. I'm just a one. If you're going to print it, make it a thousand at least. that's fair really really printing too also for mother's day Florence gave me a penny and a two dollar bill because they're both rare like me oh she's such a cheap pie

where she had a two dollar bill from um I gave for a bunch of two dollar bills because because I got conned into buying two dollar bills from the bank because I went to the bank I'm whispering I went to the bank to get quarters to put in the Easter eggs to hide around the house because I'm tired of hiding candy and like they don't eat it um and then the lady was like I also have two dollar bills And I was like, oh shit, cool. So then I bought, I like got extra from the bank, $2 bills. And so I put them in the Easter eggs.

You're like Steve Wozniak. He literally does that. Really? Yeah. You and Steve are keeping $2 billion bills in circulation. Yep. I do. Cool.

Anything else, Taylor? That's it. Thank you. Thank you. Sweet. We'll go ahead and cut out there. Thanks all. Thanks.