Doomed to Fail - Ep 25 - Part 2: Fake it Till You Make It - Andrew Cunanan & Gianni Versace.

Episode Date: June 21, 2024

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Hello, it's Taylor from Doom to Fail. Each week, we bring you stories of history's most epic failures and notorious disasters. And this week, we are doing a re-release of episode 25, part two, about Andrew Kananin and Gianni Versace. They didn't ever really know each other. I mean, they maybe met once, but Andrew Kanan is an absolute nut job. And he is someone who really thought he belonged in, like, high society and a way. weird way and Johnny Versace's image and look kind of got in the way of that and handed what going on a murder spree that's way more complicated than I realize and it ends in killing

Johnny Versace in Miami. Since this episode first aired last year, the last pack is on the left. I think they did theirs after ours and there's super good. It's obviously like much longer. So you can always listen to theirs as well. And there's the TV show, the American crime story about it too. So wild story. I remember when it happened. It was really like a totally out of nowhere thing that happened in the news. So learn a little bit more about the seedy underbelly of Miami in this week's re-release episode 20. B.A.096. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.

Really, really good. I recommend it. Nice. Nice. Very cool. Well, we will transition over to the true crime side of the story. And like I said, I'm I'm going to be partially in Miami, but that's not like the end-all-be-all of where this, all this originated. It's just where this culminated in the way that it's most famously remembered. Taylor, have you ever been to Miami? Yes. What did you think? It was fine.

It was humid. I think I went a leaving spot for a cruise, was it called? I did like a Caribbean cruise. So I think we drove down to Florida because my friend Lonnie is giving her mom's car to her uncle. So we drove the car to the uncle in Miami. me, and then we flew home after the cruise. Nice, nice. Yeah, Port of Miami.

That's where all, like, basically every major cruise line has a port there. It's very, very cool. You can drive by on the causeway and see all the ship stocking. So, like I mentioned, I lived in Miami, and I'll be honest, I have like a weird love-hate relationship with it, because on the one hand, I think that if you're out for a carefree weekend, it's probably one of the best things in the world to be in. Just do whatever you want. Nobody cares.

If money flows easy, do your thing. On the other hand, which was my case, I was a broke collar. student. I didn't have any money. And then when you see all this opulent display of wealth all around you, you're just like, man, I'm a loser. I have no way to compete against these people all around the Lamborghinis. I remember that picture outside of your Facebook from like 20 years ago where you were in front of the Lamborghini. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was Miami. And one thing that I remember thinking of myself was that I remember going to work at like 8 o'clock in the morning on like the weekdays and you'd see like most beautiful people from all around the world just roller

blading around the ocean and you're just like what am i doing for my what am i doing here totally that's funny and like the conclusion i reached was like this is not a place that you come to build yourself up this is a place you come to after you build yourself up that is a lesson that the main antagonist of this story did not learn he went to miami and he made a name for himself there. So any guesses who I might be talking about? The only thing that I don't know the name, but are you, is it the guy who killed Versage? Andrew Cananan. Is that it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, you got me at, at, he came to Miami with nothing and tried to build himself up there,

because that's what I remember from the American crime story. Yeah, which I'm going to discuss at length here. So today I'm covering Andrew, Andrew Cunan. He's going to call him Andrew, because that's kind of tough, who basically is like a very, very emotionally disturbing individual who did a lot of really, really terrible things, and the world is better for him being dead. So I'm going to start with that. For usual, the people that are for us. For usual. No, love lost in these stories for you. No, not at all. Andrew has been done to death by this point,

and I totally get that. But one of the things that I wanted to focus on in this story was mostly Andrew himself, because really what everybody thinks of is Johnny Versace. right and the netflix okay so for example you just mentioned it there's an amazing netflix what's the guy's named darren chris plays andrew canaan it's awesome it is so well made it's so well done but even that do you remember what it was called taylor was it is not it's not american crime story so it's called that is part of the title yes oh i don't remember the rest of it it's called the assassination of johnny versachi colon american crime story okay cool so it's It's all focused around Versace and like less so around all the other stuff that was going

on with him, although they do cover the murders that happened. But really it's a question like, who is this guy and why did he do the things that he did? Yeah. So that's what I wanted to kind of fall into. And one of the places I started, I actually went through a pretty in-depth research on the Department of Justice and the FPI's websites on classifications of serial killers versus pre-killers because Andrew falls into this weird, unique process. of true crime monsters because he's both like he's kind of both and a lot of sources like

the majority of sources like I would say like 60% to 40% call him a spree killer whereas 40% would call him a serial killer he would have cooling off periods and then he had periods of just rapid succession killing of a bunch of people so the spree right that's a spree but you have several sprees what are you he didn't he had a spree a cool off and then one murder. Okay. So he fits the definition of both. So for example, he killed five people over the span of three months in total. Wow. Six days separate murder one and murder two. One day separates murder two and number three. Five separate three and murder four. In nearly two months separate four and five. So random. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. I'll get to like the four and five one because

He was like, he was just living his life. He was doing a sick of Miami. Like, he was having a groovy time. Like, and it was like, what happening? What was the impetus? And nobody knows, and we're going to make some conjecture here, but nobody's really sure. The other thing I kind of dived into on this on the FBI's website had to do with, he didn't really have the same traits as a killer as a Bundy or a Gacy or Dahmer,

where there was like a sexual impulse behind the killing. He would kill out of opportunity and impulse. So when we talk about serial killers, for example, we talk about product versus process killers, Andrew was neither. He didn't love to kill, which is the process part of a process killer, nor did he kill to collect a body to do whatever they're going to do with, which is the product side of a serial flow that we're most familiar with. That's one distinction on the serial killer side. It actually goes further, and this is where the Department of Justice kicks in around the classifications that go beyond just product and process, which is there's four of the categories. There's visionary, mission oriented, hedonistic, and power control oriented.

As you learn more about Andrew Psyche, power control seems like the classification that makes the most sense when trying to understand what his motivations were. Do you have examples of the other ones? So visionary is for, no, visionary I actually don't. Mission oriented is one of the best example of, which is like I'm doing this because God told me to do this. So anytime like someone kills a bunch of prostitutes, it's like you were sinful so I had to do this for Jesus. like that's like the most common one i want to say visionary was um was john list where he just thought that this was the best thing for his family to kill all the one once he didn't this thing is is like you just like it just want to do it because yeah it's just awesome so the the power control piece is the one that fits the bill with andrew the most

and that was basically getting pleasure out of exerting control over a helpless victim which he did to one guy really really badly and that's kind of like where we kind of wrap up part of like his his psyche going a little bit further than that. I'm just going to come out and just be a total contrarian and say Andrew was just a total prick. I'm just going to start with it right there. They always are. He, okay, this is going to be a little, I'm going to get some backlash on this. He reminds me of like every Iranian I grew up with who was just obsessed with like looking amazing and like how they present themselves in the world. Like you need to know I'm better than you. If you don't know that I'm better than you, then what am I doing? Like, that's exactly

the vibe I get off this guy. It has been said that he's a narcissist, but he, that was never a clinical diagnosis and, you know, obviously he's dead, so we're never going to actually know what that was true or not. It was also said that he had a strong desire to be the center of attention. Chris Darren actually portrayed him exactly as I read about him, which was just the guy's dressed the nine and talked about how amazing his life is. I wrote down that if he he was alive right now, he would be an Instagram influencer who would be buying followers from oversee ClickFarms. Like, that's the guy we're talking about. He sounds like an insult, like Andrew Tate, you know, like someone who's like...

He's gay and he got a lot of play. Fine. Yeah. He can be insult vibes, but that's fine too. It's not that. It's a need to belong. It's a need to be the biggest, greatest, flashiest star out there. That's where, that's where this is right from. And in cells, like, just to shut in, right? They're like nerdy shut ins who can't get out and hang with people.

Like, that's not what this is. This guy actually got was a little bit too out there hanging out with people. Because he actually, well, later, he legitimately met Johnny Versace, like, organically. Like, he was in that crowd to where he could do stuff like that. So like I literally just mentioned, Andrew came out as gay in high school, which obviously, you know, good for him. That couldn't have been easy back when this would have been, like, the late 1980s. And this was obviously not an easy choice because his mom and him got into a really, really serious fight. It got physical.

Andrew basically assaulted her at one point. And he ended up moving out. Like he left his family home and moved out and settled in San Francisco and in the Castro district. I alluded to this just now, which he had a knack for befriending wealthy older gay men, which I'm going to go with like red flag number one for the older gay men because it was never to their benefit that he was friends with them, really. Andrew Wood's basically using these men in leveraging their wealth to live up to his own self-image of himself, which again, if you haven't seen the Versacee story on Netflix, Chris Darren, or Darren Chris plays this guy incredibly well. And that was basically the same. Make friends with whoever had the resources and use them up and then ditch them move on to the next guy.

In 1990, many, many, many, many years before what ends up happening ends up happening, Andrew actually does. meet Johnny Versace, which I'm going to do a little bit of a dive into who he was. I know he's been done to death, but what the hell? We're here already. Versace was a fashion designer who created the luxury brand for Sachi in 1978. It became a brand for celebrities because it was like a red carpet thing. Do you remember J-Lo's green dress? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, so that was Versace. The first big one of these was Elizabeth Hurley wearing like some like really sexy black dress at the Academy Awards. And that was, so it just kind of popped off with celebrities. and when it pops off with celebrities, it pops off with everybody who's trying to be a celebrity. Yeah. It expanded really quickly into 1,500 stores. Eventually, long after Versace's Johnny's death, it was sold off to Michael Coors Company, who was the current owner of the brand.

So I wrote down here that, like, Johnny Versace, and if you've never seen a picture, this guy, go take a gander. Because this guy was exactly everything Andrew was faking being. Yeah. An uber successful, incredibly wealthy, world-renowned artist, designer, celebrity, and he was gay. Which, like, when you look at it from like your architect, like, what can I be in this world? Like, that's who you want to be if you're someone like Andrew. It was, I thought it was potentially part of the reason of why what ends up having ends up happening is because he was trying to basically destroy the thing that he could never achieve himself is what I think personally. Yeah. In 1990, again, seven years before all of this went down, apparently Versace was in San Francisco and met Andrew. Andrew would have been 21 years old this time. And in the Netflix series, this is not true. In the Netflix series, it's like super played up how they, they were like playing cat and mouse and playing coy with it. It was like a lover's thing. Like, they went out to dinner in the movie. Like, none of that happened. Like, that's what Andrew told people happened with people who were actually there said that's not exactly what happened. Apparently, there was a split moment where they were passing each other.

Versace seemed to recognize him and asked if he knew him from a party at his late Como estate. And Andrew said, thanks for remembering me. And then he was never there for sure. So yeah, I was, I was like, dude, A, if you, what is the Versace party like? Like, how many drugs are being just passed around? I was going to say, I was like, I don't know, I just can't imagine that much cocaine in one spot. Yeah, exactly. It's like, it's like, He just looked like a generic guy and he's like, maybe I know you from this, maybe he was hitting on. Who knows, but like it definitely was, he definitely wasn't there.

It could have just been like a random thing to like play out. Like, look, if I had a late Como house, I would also be asking random girls if I recognize that for my late Como estate party. A hundred percent. I was going to say, I'm both sides. You'd be like, yeah, it was there also like, oh, hey, were you at that like wonderful, beautiful, lavish parties that I have all the time? George Clooney was there. Remember him?

He was there. Bad fit. He did. at every late coma party yeah yeah we always we do pranks because he's he's there with us all the time so by early 1997 Andrew had had a few on again off again relationships and it began using meth and alcohol quite frequently by this point it was kind of becoming known in the san francisco gay scene that Andrew was kind of a shithead he had apparently maxed out credit cards for a couple of these wealthy guys it was basically just supporting himself in between other rich men by just selling

drugs, basically. And who's just a grifter in general. At this time, we're going to introduce two men who become key figures at the start of Andrew's murder spree. One is David Madsen, who Andrew would later call the love of his life and who lived in Minneapolis. The other is Jeffrey Trail, who also lived in Minneapolis and had some involvement with Madsen that Andrew did not like. They were obviously gay as well. They're in the same gay scene, basically. Andrew flew to Minneapolis on April 24th to stay with Matson and hang out with Trill at some point. It sounds like Trill really didn't want Andrew there. From everything I read about this, it seems like Andrew was one of those guys where like

you had to be super stern when you set boundaries with them. Otherwise, they're just like habitual line stepers. Trailer even told people that he really needed to have a serious conversation with Andrew and that Andrew kind of scared him. And part of the reason why Andrew scared him was because Trill was one of the people in the San Francisco gay scene that was telling everyone, this guy's a grifter. He's trying to steal your shit. Like, that's all he's in for the, in full of this.

And news of that apparently got back to Andrew that, that Trail had done this. Andrew had grown obsessed that Trail was also in relation with Madsen, who like I mentioned, he called the love of his life. And this freaked trail out because Andrew's a meth addicted alcoholic at this point. So, not great. On April 26th, so two days after he's in Minneapolis, he's been saying in Madison's house, Andrew tells Trail to come to Madison's apartment because on an earlier visit that Andrew had gone to Trail's house

for he had stolen his gun and he wants to give it back to Trail. Red flag number two. That is like, okay, I know that I don't like guns. That's a gun. Other reason not to have a gun is like someone could steal your gun and no one's going to hand you back or stolen gun. Okay, okay. Yeah, Taylor.

So exactly. So like that's why I put Red Fly number two. If your gun is ever stolen, the only way to deal with that is to call police and tell them the serial number of that gun and if you know where it is tell me they go get it you don't go get it no no no no no no no no no no no you don't meet that guy in a parking lot to have and give it back to you no it's like what what's the logical like why would you still it's like you stole it for a good reason nobody steals a gun for a good reason they steal it to wipe the serial

numbers off it to go kill a homeless man like that's all you do with a stolen gun trail goes to this apartment and as we see in the netflix show very accurately portrayed and beats him to death with a hammer in front of mattson this was an impulse thing this was not like a calculated deliberate serial killer this was like he just pissed him off and just like you grabbed the first thing in front of him just bashed his skull in and madsen was there to see the whole thing much of his bad luck i think at this point my take on this and netflix's take on this was that mattson was basically scared shutless he was like i don't know what to do this guy's unhinged like he's out of his mind he's drunk as shit he's high as fuck like i don't know what to do he just killed

the guy with a hammer from my house, and he helped him roll Trail's body up in a rug that they then put behind their sofa. So that's, I feel like when you were like in the past episodes, even like, would you help someone hide a body, you know? But I feel like, this is the case where I'd be like so scared of this person that I just saw kill someone. I wouldn't be like, excuse me, I'm going to call the police. You know, I feel like there's definitely a chance. I'd be like, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, let's hold of his body. You know, like, you don't want to guy, so. Hey, I'm in this with you, man.

I'm in this with you. We're going to be fine. Let's roll his body up together. Let's chop it up. We chop it up. I got a hack saw. Yeah. Yeah.

You do not want to confront a guy in your house and in this state. No. Madsen stopped going to work because he just witnessed a man get beat to death in his kitchen with a hammer. So that raised some alarm bells. And a coworker decided to go to Madsen's house and check on him. And at which point he finds Trell's body. at that point Andrew Madsen already hit the road and they'd taken Madison's Jeep to

flee the scene essentially so for several days police try to find the two of them and basically there's a bunch of leads coming in people saw them here they had dinner at this place whatever they would see them all of the place they didn't catch them completely because on May 3rd Madison's body

was found near Rush City which is about an hour north Minneapolis Andrew had shot him with a gun he stole from trail and threw his body out of the car So that's room number two. Which, like, okay, there's no cell phones. Like, maybe when you're at a diner, you just run away. I don't know.

I don't know what you do. Can't me blame that guy. I mean, we already, like, like, we know about it. So, like, something happened. Yeah. Yeah. The same day that police find Madison's body, Andrew arrives in Chicago in the now stolen Jeep.

And he arrives at the home of Lee Millen, M-I-G-L-N. Lee's a really curious one. Again, there's some conflict here between what Netflix says and what people think. But basically, Lee was a super rich real estate tycoon. He had a net worth of $50 million at the time that he died. Whoa. And again, Lee was like a 72-year-old married man of 40 years with two kids.

Nobody knows why Andrew went to this guy's house. There's no evidence of why he would have pinpointed this house to actually drive to a knock on the door. there was no forced entry. There was none of that. Lee's family finds it really, really insulting that people suggest they knew each other because the assumption is that Lee was living a secret life doing gay things on the side of being like this real estate tycoon executive. Netflix made the editorial decision that they for sure had a relationship. They had a relationship. That's the reason why Andrew knocked on that guy's store that night. The one indication that this wasn't kind of like a run-of-the-mill murder for Andrew was the way he killed him. So again, you have a beating to death

with a hammer. You have a shot to death in the back of the head. In this case, he tied up Lee's legs and arms, and his body was wrapped in tape and plastic. His ribs had been completely broken and he'd been stabbed either 40 or 20 times depending on the source that you look at in his chest. Ultimately, he was killed because Andrew took a hacksaw to his throat, like almost decapitating him. But you didn't know him? So that's the thing. It's like, why would you do something that insane to a total stranger? It's a, that's why people were like, we think he knows him, but we're not sure. There were some, some stories that were told where Andrew had told people that he had he knew a rich family in chicago whose uh kid was named duke and lee has a kid named

duke and so people are like how would they have even mixed in the family themselves like the only way they could have mixed would have been a gay bond a gay relationship and that's yeah and to them they're like of course that's not the case our dad was like you know married to my mom and like who knows how would he met like did yeah that's just that's so weird yeah yeah i don't even know this makes sense okay so andrew ditches the jeep uh madison's jeep outside outside of lee's house and steals his lexas and at this point andrew gets put on the fbi's top ten most wanted list so six days later andrew would shoot a guy named william reese he managed a cemetery he just went up to him and shot him in the back of the head and he stole the the stolen jeep was found outside

of lee's house so he needed another car he ended up stealing uh william reese's vehicle some red chevy truck or something this was on may ninth that he did this so he only killed him for the truck there was no connection there was no there was no stealing of money or anything like that was just for the truck using reese's vehicle andrew drove to miami florida and rented a hotel room he basically just lived in miami for about two months out in the open despite being on the fbi's top ten most wanted list again it's my miami's a great place to escape everybody's running away from someone That's true. No one really gives a shit.

Yeah. In 1992, Johnny Versace had purchased a mansion called Casa Casuarina. I think I nailed that. It is now more commonly known as the Versace mansion. It is located on the main drag of South Beach, which is called Ocean Drive. Only because I knew you would ask this Taylor, I did Zillow it. Oh, you did? And it's expensive.

So the current estimate of value is $36 million. is $36 million. What was the address again? Yeah, yeah, yeah, wrote that down too. It's 1116 Ocean Drive. Okay, Miami Beach, right? Yep. So I do want to tell you that I want to look this up.

Did you, are you going to get to the fact that two men were murdered and a murder suicide there in 2021? What? No. I just, I just linked to a founded a Vanity Fair article called Two Men Founded in the Versace Mansion. It said, police are still investigating. this was from July 15th, 2021, but it was a day ahead of the 25th anniversary or the 24th anniversary

of Versace's murder. There were two men, 31-year-old Adam Rashop of Randolph, New Jersey, and 30-year-old Alexander Gross of York, Pennsylvania were found dead by gunshot ruins. So I don't know if it was, is it potentially murder or suicide, potentially double suicide. But on the ghost in that house. Yeah, I mean, it's a million-dollar house. It is, look at the pictures of this thing. Like, I was trying to. to put it into ways I could describe it and really the only way I could describe it is if you've ever seen like Versace's style of clothing that he designed, the house just looks like Versace's house.

Exactly. The only way you'd be like, oh, it looks like, oh wow, it has like a big open courtyard in the middle. Yeah, like your eyes don't even know where to look. There's gold trim, there's detailed tile mosaics. If you look at the pool, that's called the million mosaic pool because there's literally a million tiles being used to create the mosaic. There's columns, statues, pools. It's just occulent in a way that would be super distasteful if anybody, anybody but a fashion designer live there. It's a lot. So I'm going to start with red flag number three and red flag number three is the mansion itself. I've never been inside the mansion when I was living in Miami, but it's almost impossible to be in Miami and not drive or walk by it.

Ocean Drive, the street that it's on, is where all the restaurants and bars of South Beach are on, and a lot of the clubs. It is the street closest to the most beautiful white sand beaches Florida has to offer. To drive the point home of how publicly located this mansion is, if you street view the address, again, 116 Ocean Drive, you won't see the house. Do you know why you won't see the house, Taylor? Because of a fence? Because there is a giant Miami tour bus stopped in bumper-to-bumper traffic. blocking the Google Maps car from taking a picture of the house. That's how packed this thing is, and that's how not private this thing was.

Someone listed, they initially listed the house for sale for $125 million when the first and ended up selling for $41 million. So they've really overestimated the amount of money that they're putting for sale for this house. It also is, I love also a thing about Zillow that I love is they do the rents estimate. The rents estimate is $196,000 a month. Sounds about right. So right now, Taylor, it's actually a hotel. And the, and it is, um, it got converted into a, so it had, it has a really rich history. If you look at the house, the house was created by an heir to the standard oil fortune and then transition into a hotel. Then Versace bought it and converted back to a house. Then it went back to a hotel. Then it got conveyed again at $41 million was what you're reading there. And it's the villa Casa Casarina now. Yeah, I think they're trying to, everybody knows the history. They don't need to rub it in with, like, calling it the Versace mansion, you know?

We should stay there and then also at Lizzie Borden's house. So, like, I was actually kind of surprised, like, okay, $900 a night is a lot, but it's on a Friday, Saturday, in Miami, directly. Like, that's as much as a fountain blue in Miami would be. And you're saying in, like, the most pristine property in the city. So I don't know, I don't know. price-wise, I thought it was, like, actually fairly reasonable for what it was. Going back to the red flag, so what I'm saying is that if you are a certain social class with the entire world wishes they were part of, just be a little bit more elusive than literally

having the most obvious home in the world and in the most public place in the world. Yeah. So. I get it. So for some reason that nobody can really make sense of, on July 15, 1997, Versace walked from his front door to a newsstand and on his way back at 845 a.m. He's very, very publicly shot in the head by Andrew at the entrance of his house. Again, no clue why that was the day.

That was the time. That was, again, he was living his life in Miami, like doing his thing. That's why I don't get up before nine. I hate the mornings. It's your point. Dangerous. Yeah. You're absolutely right.

Yeah. What's weird is that every other murder, he tries to evade things, right? Like, he steals the car. He goes to a different city. He does whatever. And like I say, mostly living in a normal life in Miami, still like, why this guy? why at this time it's so elusive. Obviously at this point Versace died immediately and the public, because it was so public, people gave chase to Andrew. Police were immediately in the area and a manhunt began. They called it the biggest manhunt in American history at that time, but we don't, I don't know. I didn't go through and be well if that was accurate or not. The day after the murder, a boat owner at a marina nearby in South Beach called the police and said somebody had broken into a boat at the marina, like a next door boat or something. Police really didn't.

care. They didn't really show up. They didn't really think that much of it. It wasn't until a week later. So on July 23rd, when a houseboat sitter, so basically people who check on boats when the owners aren't using them, visited a boat and found the door was open and it looked like somebody had been living there. Though the caretaker at that point knew that the actual owners of the houseboat hadn't been there since December of the previous year. So the caretaker then recalls hearing a gunshot from one of the rooms, leaves and calls the police. The police and the FBI dissent on this thing, they start trying to talk to Andrew. They're like trying to convince him to come out. If I remember correctly, it said, like, this was like a standoff that lasted eight hours. Andrew was already dead. Andrew killed himself when they walked in. Like, there's nobody to talk to. And they just were like not wanting to go inside and get blasted.

So he shot himself in the head, obviously. But the question around like why he ended up choosing. Okay, the first kill, pure rage impulse. Second kill, I got to get rid of the witness. Third kill. I need money. I need resources. I'm going to go to this guy's house. Fourth kill, I need a car. I'm going to steal his car. This one's the one where it's just like, I think it was literally just, he was just a loser who envy people that he could not be. And Johnny Versace was the highest personification

of like what he could never be. Yeah. Some people thought it had to do with HIV status. So Johnny Versace or well, he did have HIV, but that's not the relevant part. The relevant part is that people had mentioned that Andrew thought that he had HIV and that he had said he's going to take out his revenge on older men who like do this to younger men and there was like some thought he was autopsy he didn't have HIV but people were like no he thought he did like he never got tested but he thought he had HIV so like maybe that was a piece of this too I don't know that's like I mean that's like I don't know what you're saying before but you know people killing sex workers because they gave them an SCD and it's like There's two involved in that tango, my friend. Well, yeah, nothing about a psyche actually follows logic. One thing that I read, you know, it reminded me a lot of actually John Lennon about Mark David Chapman. It was just like just another nothing nobody loser who needs to take down somebody who's creating in the world because that was saying it's easier to, what is that saying? Those who cannot build seek to destroy.

And that's the only one I really know is when in, the wedding planner when Jennifer Lopez says, those who can't wed, plan. That is actually pretty a lot. That's my number one of those that I remember. Hey, two J-Lo references in our Andrew Kinan episode. So, and then largely this ended up getting forgotten because one of the attendees is Johnny's funeral died like less than a month after this happened. You know what that is?

Princess Diana. She went to the funeral, no way. Yeah, she went to the funeral and... Damn, the 90s were wild. Dude, it was like a week or two after that is when she died. I remember when I was at my friend Julie's house eating pizza and I was so sad. Yeah, I remember too. I was with my parents, we did our little summer trip to Vail or...

Oh my God. So, yeah, that was a wild month. But because of that, you know, so much of this got like just... It sunk. Like, people stopped paying so much attention to us because then Princess Sain was a big story. So. Yeah. Yeah.

That's our story around Andrew Cunanan. What a tragedy. That's just like, that's just so, like, that your life can be taken away by, like, any random crazy person in, like, two seconds. Like, you've done, like, you didn't do anything, like, for that specific thing to happen to you. It just happens because you're, like, in the right place. Or, like, if he hadn't, like, gone and gotten the paper, you know, or, like, hadn't

heart slap test nine like you should you know yeah yeah it's just so many so many things that it could like little things that lead up to it and make that happen yeah look in your life awesome awesome life the coolest house the best every like

and some random idiot just can just you get in the head you're just like covered in gold and like I don't know man he was effortlessly cool I will say Johnny Versace when you look at his pictures you're like damn like that is a world famous designer like you can just yeah he's got an error about him i can't yeah i mean his sister's still

alive still doing rsci things i guess even though you said michael corse bought it so she is still the creative director um donatella versachi is still the creative director and the vast majority of johnny's estate actually was bequeath to his niece allegro versaci who is don't to yeah it's estimated her net worth right now is about eight hundred million dollars and she's six years old. Nice. Yeah, every, well, when my sister had her baby, my brother, Kincaid, who is, who is gay and not going to have children, was like, now my estate is divided into three.

Because he's dividing his estate amongst businesses and nephews. That's the dream. You've got to have that, some, a rich person in your family leave you something. If you look at the guy who played Johnny Versace, it is like crazy. It's real good. Yeah. He nailed. I mean, you look at a side by side.

Wow. I see, I find a picture of, whoa. I heard that dog. Is she okay? She upset that she's getting a sibling. She doesn't know she's giving a sibling yet. I haven't told her. Uh-oh.

Divide up, it's going to divide up your estate. My estate. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So many Medusa had medallions. Oh, yeah, so many. It's so, it's so like black with gold on top of it, is my picture of it. Just decadence, opulence.

It's like just, yeah. Tell her Versace's husband's really cute. Yeah, I would imagine she could attract a fairly attractive person. There's something to international fame in obscene wealth that weirdly draws people to you. I don't really get it. What is it? I don't know. What could it be?

What is that mystery? Not mysterious that's rich. So that's our stories. Taylor, is there anything you want to sign off with? I know you have, it's almost six and you have to go to a baseball game. Yeah, I'd be there at 5.45. I've been there in two hours. It's in the Palm Springs. So yes, I do have to go because I have to get ready and find a baseball for the players to sign for the children, you know, like you do. I forgot that we're not on the same time zone. No, it's almost four. But still, I still need to get ready. Yeah, no.

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