Doomed to Fail - Ep 251: They're Out There - Lost Cosmonauts

Episode Date: June 22, 2026

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In a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans. And what your country can do. And we are back recording yet again. Taylor, how are you? How are your little lotus? Good.

I just printed another one. I just, in between, I was able to press play on the next one and have it go. It's like a factory in here. And then I also printed, oh my God, printed something to hold our poker chips. because the poker chubs were in this little briefcase and it broke and then I was so mad at it and then they're in like a bag and I was just mad at the bag

and now I have like a big case for them. But you 3D printed? Yeah. What is the name of the material that is used to 3D print? I'm using like PLA which is like a plastic filament and then you can use other different types of filament that like are better for other like

sounds better for outdoors or like things that you want to like keep forever. You know there's different levels of strength I think. I think I should start a 3D filament company and just hyper-target advertising to you specifically. I mean, I was keeping track of how much money I spent on it because I was like, oh, maybe I'll someday like sell these things.

But then like online on social media, everybody's so mean that I'm like, I don't want to try to sell craft things again because like, whenever I do just never works out and everyone's mean and I just can't. So I'm just going to spend money and give things away. Good. I like that. Yeah. Would you like to introduce us? Yes. Hello, everyone.

Welcome to Doomed to Fail. We bring you historical disasters and failures, and I am Taylor, joined by Fars. I'm going to tell us a story. I'm going to be telling a story, which actually isn't really a story. It's more so like a conspiracy theory. And the reason why I found it interesting was because it's a conspiracy theory that has been, sort of debunked, but it's not really debunkable. And it's also a terrifying conspiracy theory if it's true.

That's why I thought it was fun and interesting. So I'm going to be covering lost cosmonauts. I'm going to frame this several ways. One is like a little bit about like why space was so important in the first place in the 1950s and 60s. I'm going to give some examples of actual. cover-ups from the Soviet Union. And I'm going to give some examples of things that we assume based on relatively reliable sources that led to the cosmonaut theory and what happened after the fall of the

Soviet Union to put us where we currently are. I just finished the last of the Red Rising books. If anyone has read those, please recharge me. Because it's a lot of space war. like war in space for six books. It's very intense and I cried and I was mad. I'm angry and I'm sad and a lot of emotions. Anyway, but that reminded me that because a lot of did bodies floating around space.

Yeah. It's funny you say that because that's actually a big, the space war aspect is a big part of why the space race even started. Yeah. So we'll go ahead and we'll just jump right in. So obviously, as most of us are aware, there was a tremendous competition. after World War II between the United States and the Soviet Union. Is capitalism going to win?

It's communism going to win. Is the American way the right way? Is the Soviet way the right way? That was kind of the entire background impetus that led up to the Cold War. And I need to stop talking about this movie. I literally wrote down. I didn't know what you were going to cover last week.

So I literally wrote that on my outline. Hopefully you've all seen Oppenheimer. I actually haven't seen Oppenheimer. I don't. I don't. No, why? It's mostly just okay. It's mostly just okay.

There's like, you have to be like a super wonk of American history. And like the things that are the most tense moments aren't even the bomb itself. The most tense moments are these weird esoteric bureaucracy arguments. Uh-huh. This is like you could fall asleep during. some of it. And if I mean, totally honest, nobody's going to accept this. But I will say that Matt Damon, Robert De Niro, or not Robert DeNiro, Robert Donnie Jr. and Emily Blunt kind of sucked in their roles. Like, I kind of didn't like them. They were bad actors in their roles,

in my opinion. I thought they were like overwrought in a lot of ways. Tilly and Murphy was great. I just watched, um, um, I watched off cable TV recently because I was visiting my mom and my mom like still watches you with the commercials and it just drives me insane and I make fun of her all the time and I'm like mom it just sort of set up and she's like oh I like tv things and fast forward with the commercials I'm like no in 2006 stop it but we watched oceans 11 with 7000 interruptions for commercials but it was um fun that damon was like so young everyone was so young no that was that was really good there's if you ever watch it tell me and I'll tell you the scenes that just watch like I'll tell you afterwards what the scenes are where like if you watch it

with a different perspective, but like, this is a stupid acting. This is really bad acting. I'll watch it, uh, maybe like while I'm working or something. You know,

I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, it on in the background. Yeah. So anyways, the whole point was, if you've seen the movie

or you know who the guy is or anything that you're familiar with the fact that we mostly continued the development of nuclear weapons after Germany's surrender during World War II because we basically clocked that the USSR was like the next big opponent. and there was questions on whether we were going to be on parity with them on technological and weapon supremacy.

That was the entire idea. As a result in the late 1950s and 60s, the two governments raced each other to prove who was better at these capabilities. And a big part of that had to do with people and objects going into outer space. Why does that matter? Obviously, one side of it is the bragging rights. The biggest part of it, though, had to do with the fact that rockets that can get objects into outer space are also rockets that you can throw a nuclear weapon on and send across oceans. That was really the reason behind it. But you couldn't just test that because if you start testing bombs flying across the Atlantic and Pacific, people are going to freak out.

Right. So it's interesting. There was like some launch from Florida of astronauts where they were like 15 minutes in, the crash dot, the like, crash. the like crash place that was on call was Ireland. Because like that's the way they went up, you know? And they just like went up, scooted over and like could have taken a 50 minute plane right to Ireland, Florida. Well, yeah. Efficient.

I know. That'd be kind of cool. That would be very cool. One day. The Concord will come back. The way the U.S. is historically operated was like literally the opposite of how the Soviet Union operated. it's also like I think like this plays a lot into why Americans are way harsher on America than other countries are with themselves because like I looked up like police departments in America report crime statistics so when you report something it's like a crime wave is overtaking this part of like it's like no it's just every place else doesn't care and doesn't want the blame and just like that's that's the whole florida man joke too like the Florida it's because we know more about Florida like Florida doesn't have a disproportionate amount of methods. Like it just is,

it just, they just had that, is it the sunshine. Yeah. Yeah. That like, they report everything and other states are like, let's not tell everybody what our dumbest people are doing. But Florida is like, everyone should know. Yeah. So the American program, the American

space program ran largely in public. Launches were announced ahead of time. There were televised. They were narrated. Whether there were successes or failures, we all knew everything all the time. That was kind of the way America did it. The Soviet program ran completely in the dark. Missions were revealed only after they had succeeded. The names of designers were state secrets,

and the official record, including photographs, a lot of times they'd get edited even after the fact to, like, someone might fall out of favor with the Keir-Cruzschev, and so you don't want to publish the photograph of that guy in there, and so you just edited him out. And so that's how they ran. And the secrecy is like the most important part of the story because everything that follows kind of depends on it. Long story short is like if you don't think the government is telling you the entire truth and you're going to fill in the gaps yourself in a lot of ways. Right. That's going to create those theories.

Exactly. Exactly. They're doing something weird. Yeah. So the earliest stories that had to do with the lost cosmonaut theory, which is basically, basically that the Soviet Union at some point lost one to several individuals to outer space, never to recover them again. That's the premise of the theory. In December of 1959, an Italian news agency circulated claims that were attributed to some high-ranking Czech communist.

Then the USSR had already been launching men on suborbital rockets and that several had died. and the agency printed their name it was well I said men it was three men and one woman and if I could I would read these names actually I'll read the first names Alexi Andre Sergay and Maria

the last names I can't do so we'll be sick of that there's no evidence for any of these people having existed in any capacity I looked like I dug pretty far to figure out like was there any there was Maria

Bromova She, there, there's two of her, but they were born in 84 and 88 and they were like competitive swimmers. So none of these people seem to have actually existed. There's a little Wikipedia page for her. Right. Exactly. Yeah. The names appear nowhere except for in the rumor itself that was being passed along by this Czech communist newspaper, which like gives it some credence because it's like, well, they were aligned.

like the Soviet, they were part of the Soviet block at that time. And so it was, it had more credibility that it probably should have. Around the same time, there's this guy named Kermit Oberth, who I've never heard of before, but he seems like the biggest elephant in any room having to do with, like, rockets. He stated that a pilot had been killed on a suborbital flight from a Soviet launch site in early 1958. He didn't offer any sources for this, but it was reported out that he made this claim. And for context, again, this guy, Oberth was like the biggest thing in rocket propulsion technology. Here's how credible he was. You can go on NASA's website right now. And there will be a picture

with him with famous Nazi rocket scientist Werner von Braun. And Werner is holding an award that is being given to him by O'Berth called the O'Berth Award. Wow. Like, that's the category this guy falls into, which adds credibility, right? If he's telling you he's heard these stories and he heard these things, then like there's, and you also know you're dealing with this kind of shady government that is not going to be transparent about anything.

It gives us some credibility and some weight. The following spring, the rumor reached out, reached one of this science fiction writer, who was actually the one who wrote, Stormship Troopers. Yeah. Starship troopers?

Star Ship Troopers. Yeah. Robert Heinland, who was traveling in Soviet Lithuania in May of 1960, and he also wrote that he had heard

from some cadet during his travels that the USSR had put somebody in orbit earlier that day. So that's kind of where all this is originating from.

Some of the earlier rumors had like a concrete source and it was real space craft or rims rather than just like random off the books programs essentially. Before sending up a human, Soviet engineers flew unfrewed test capsules to validate what's

called the Vostok program, which is basically the name they give to their space exploration program. The whole point of it was to eventually build up to sending a human in space. Obviously, we know they got Sputnik out there, yada, yada, yeah, yeah, before humans went up. That was really the biggest part of the race between the Soviets and the U.S. Who's going to get a man in space first? Do you know who won? They won.

They won. Yeah. Yeah. Yuri Greger. Yes. Yes. There we go. In some of these initial tests that they ran,

as part of the Vostock program, the spacecraft of the Soviets launched carry mannequins. So they would launch these with mannequins aside because they're trying to build up to a program that was sent humans in space. Yeah. They named one of their mannequins, Ivan Ivanovich.

So, like, they were referred to this mannequin with a human name. So if you were just, like, by the water cooler, you know, like, you might actually think this mannequins are real birds. That's what I would name a fake Russian in a book I was writing. If I was, like, think of a Russian name. I would name him that. They probably didn't believe it if they're actually Russian. Yeah.

The engineers faced a unique problem. They needed to test whether the capsule's radio could actually transmit a human voice back to the ground. But they couldn't use ordinary speech. because they didn't want to risk foreigners intercepting it and being able to like kind of understand it and all that stuff. Their solution was to transmit recordings that were just like super confusing, made no sense whatsoever. They used choirs singing. They used like a voice reading the alphabet out loud. So voices that were getting picked up once this transmission started

during this test flight as part of the Bostock program, they didn't belong to anybody on board, but people who heard it didn't know any better and they thought there's actually somebody up there and we know for a fact this thing did not come back to ground. So are you saying that you think that maybe they weren't mannequins? Well, it contributes to the theory, right? It contributes to the theory that like, well, like they gave this thing a name and we've heard voices, we know that we're being tracked

to this spacecraft or this craft that will never come back to Earth. Yeah. The presumption was, yeah, they actually sent somebody. out there. And frankly, I'm not trying to be rude, but like, they did a lot of messed up shit back then. The Soviets also put a dog, I think her name was Latka into a spaceship and set it out

into, like, that's insane. They probably get out to monkeys. That's like categorically insane. Why wouldn't they deal with a human? Wouldn't be surprised is people would volunteer for that. You know, that you'd be like, yes, I want us to win the space race. And I am very

patriotic and I would go. You know? I think you, man, you would have to give me like multiple guns and take one jam. I mean, I don't think we are the people who are going to volunteer for this. But I think like- I'm not volunteering for that. People, especially in like a place like Soviet Russia where you're being like so indoctrinated with whatever, you know. Yeah.

Caleb, what would you do? How fast would you bite down on the cyanide bill? I don't know. I feel like I would wait a long time. Would you really? Yeah, because I'd be like I'm seeing shit that like no one's ever seen before. You're seeing nothing. 99.999 to a trillion nines of space is nothing.

I don't know. Yeah. If you send me up there, you'd have to send me up there with like multiple weapons in case any of them jammed with like 50 different kinds of pills that will kill me. But there's no chance, no chance at all. So going back to our writer-author in Soviet Lithuania. So the date that he noted, May 15, 1960, which was the date that he was told was when this Red Cadet Army guy told him that this happened,

was the launch of one of these test crafts that had the human mannequin inside of it, which was designated Horibald Sputnik 1. And what ended up happening with that flight, which is why everybody assumes that there was actually somebody in there, it had no heat shield because nobody actually intended to ever bring it back. A Soviet capsule was now circling the earth, totally unrecoverable. Right.

And it was documented. Everybody knew it happened. And it had transmitted human voices. Of course, it was bullshit. It was like choir in people reading the alphabet, right? Like, it wasn't. But it helped kind of contribute to this narrative. I think, yeah, that's scary.

Then there's our episode. So our episode, episode 211, which was entitled, playing the devil's venom. In it, I cover this explosion that occurred in October 20, on October 24th of 1960, where an intercontinental ballistic missile was trying to be launched. The rocket was trying to be launched for it. And then the fuel is incredibly volatile. And it exploded tilling about 120 people, which nobody heard of.

This happened in 1960. Nobody knew about it until after the Soviet collapsed. it actually came public, came into public view in 1989, which again, points like there were stuff going on there that was kept state secrets that nobody was willing to talk about.

Yeah, yeah. Again, episode 211, I go into great detail. This thing, it's literally called the devil's venom. It's like really, really volatile. You should, yeah, it's interesting story. The pattern also repeated later. And on March 23rd of 1961, a 24-year-old fighter pilot named Valentine.

I'm not going to pronounce his last name. He was nearly the end of a multi-day endurance test in an isolation chamber in Moscow. The chamber's atmosphere was enriched with oxygen. And according to what was published in the press, apparently what happened is that Valentine had finished some medical measurements, then used an alcohol-soaked cotton ball to like wipe down his skin and then he discarded the cotton ball and the cotton ball

touched what they were referring to as a hot electronic element and in an oxygen-rich environment it was enough to basically just like cause immediate vaporization like the fire was just like complete in total and he just burned to death it's so scary working in those labs where like something could happen

yeah yeah absolutely what ended up happening with that story It happened right before Yuri Grigarian's big flight. And so as a result, none of this was made public. In fact, this is one of those stories that I mentioned earlier where they actually took him off the images that were, like, he was in photos. And then they removed him from the photos. And they republished those photos.

So like they pretended this guy existed or they pretend he didn't exist, basically. Yeah. That one didn't come out. So that what you was at, that was 1961. That story didn't come out until 86. So again, people knew that they worked with their buddy Valentine, and now he's nowhere to be seen. Yeah. What ended up happening was six years after Valentine suffered this death, the exact same thing happened with three astronauts, U.S. astronauts on the crew of the Apollo 1, where they were also locked into the capsule.

and it was an oxygen-rich environment and fire sparked and they all died apparently what ended up happening was because it was highly pressurized they couldn't actually open the door and get them out and so that was And they could like hear them screaming right

It was awful Yeah they were like right there like I mean it was on the ground And they were being monitored And so they were like in the window burning to death And they couldn't do anything about it Oh, it's fucking terrible But it's stuff like if you don't hide this stuff

And we don't like We weren't hiding our stuff so they probably learned a lot from our mistakes. And so they could have been somewhat altruistic and made this public except for the fact that there was all this weird pride involved in it. 1961, April 12th, 1961, is when Yuri Garing became the first human

to orbit outer space. He was part of Lostock won and returned alive. And it was a big announcement, a big show of success, and they beat us, which is when Candy lost his mind. We didn't lose his mind. But he was like, now we've got to be. go to the moon. We got to be them. That's going to be cooler. It would be way more rad. Almost immediately, it was pretty cool. Almost immediately there was a competing story that

was attached to Yuri's flight. And it centered around this guy named Vladimir Iluchim, who was like this really big shot Soviet test pilot, whose dad was like a plane designer, an engineer. And like he was a big shot family from the government side in the Soviet Union. And apparently, and this was published in some newspaper in the UK by the guy named Dennis Ogden, like what ended up actually happening was that this guy, Vladimir Aleutian, had been in a very serious car accident. And that what, Elyusha was actually the one who flew. They're basically saying that it wasn't Uri that went up. it was Aleutian that went up.

This car accident is a fabrication. Illusion suffered some catastrophic loss in outer space or whatever, like some injury. And that's what actually ended up happening. And so that sort of floating around a French broadcaster then dug this up and pointing to the fact that this guy was still in a coma from this car accident and all that. And then the U.S. picked it up and they furthered their claims because they had a political interest in furthering these claims. This guy was actually the one that did it.

and I never totally I dug quite a bit on this story and I never totally understood why this story got so much more coverage but this became like kind of like the focal point I think it had someone to do with the fact that it was the biggest win

of the Soviet Union and the fact that this guy was such a big wig and he coincidentally had like this catastrophic car accident that like horribly named him that made people just say oh well it wasn't really Yuri it was this guy and it wasn't a success it was a disaster and this guy's in a coma

that was basically like I think with the logic behind it was apparently there's like a ton of documentaries and books written about this and I'm sure if you go down our YouTube rabbit hole you can find like years worth of content on it as well but the but wait so they're saying that Yuri didn't didn't go up at all didn't go up at all and it wasn't a success because it was really this guy um illusion who went up and they got him back yeah uh they got him back but he's in the coma got it and they made up a car accident story as a subterfuge essentially got it. Then there is the story of these two brothers who are very Italian. It's like Giovanni Battista Gujarica Cordigalio. Like it's a really complicated Italian name. But they're basically self-made, I don't know, like satellite watchers. And so they had actually created their own satellite watching devices and recording devices,

which gives them a lot of credibility in the world's eye because this is an easy stuff to do and they were able to do it themselves. Apparently they scavenged some of this stuff but they built it themselves as well. And what they were able to do, and they were actually tracking real spacecraft, by the way. They weren't like making stuff up.

They actually had the ability to track real spacecraft. They came out and said that they had a series of recordings that they intercepted from secret Soviet missions that it ended in people's death. They kind of assembled this together. and they put together sequences for the disaster. And they correlated that to timelines, the timetables that were actually officially reported to kind of show that, yes, they can actually deduce that this recording happened. This is when they said they launched.

And this is the outcome they're telling us is wrong because here's what the recordings we have say. They published one recording that they received. and they published the recording itself and then I read the transcript of it I couldn't find the recording itself but the transcript essentially in Russian state I can see a flame I can see a flame I feel hot I feel hot 32 32

42 41 41 am I going to crash yes yes I feel hot I will reenter I am listening I feel hot Oh no So they published that And yeah everybody picked up on it And they were like, this is someone who died. It was a woman's voice, too.

And so that's why I think the tie-step Maria woman at the beginning I talked about. Yeah. Because it was a woman's voice. They're like that this had to be one of these people because it, again, aligned with a timetable that they were looking at when it came to official launches. Wow. But here's a part of it that is a counterfactual. The serious blow to the whole theory came. when a reporter went looking for some of the victims and found them alive.

So several of the names that were circulated as people who were dead cosmonauts, they came from his 1959 Soviet magazine and it was mostly high altitude parachutists. And there were several people among them. One of those three people that were listed actually did die. But that guy died because he was doing what that bomb garter guy from Red Bull was doing. He was trying to jump out of a balloon at 92,000 feet. and he hit his head on the side of the thing when he came out and it cracked open his visor and it depressurized his suit

and he just literally died of like black of oxygen basically he has had the basket it was called a balloon gondola so yeah oh my god he didn't even make it like a foot off of the balloon 92,000 feet up that's what it was yeah I'd run the convergence on meter so like what is that like 35,000 feet. It's like, no, no, it's much, much higher.

Ew. Again, we're not volunteering for any of these space. We're not volunteering for any of this. But that was the whole point. It was like, some of these names have been published as people who had died throughout this experiment, and they only found one, and we know why the guy died. We know that those vizzer cracked, and that's what ended up happening to him. In 1967, the Soviet space program suffered a disaster,

and it became very transparent, obvious to everyone. It was this guy Vladimir Homerov, I can pronounce that one, who was a cosmonaut and the first Soviet to be sent into space twice, so he was kind of a national hero. And in 1923, or sorry, on April 23rd, 1967, he went up on Soya's One, and the mission had problems for the very beginning. And the details don't matter, like, whatever,

like the solar panel did deploy all that stuff. Long story short, is that it wasn't properly pressurized as it was coming back down to Earth. And the same thing that happened to the first guy, the Baumgartner guy, happened to them, where these three landed on Earth and when their capsule was opened, they're all dead because they had no air. They had no oxygen. I just, is it like, am I an asshole if I think that, like, you should expect the people to die if you're, if you're practicing going into space? Like, I don't think it's end of the world, but I guess it is because of the Cold War.

At this point in time, it's probably not crazy to think that. Yeah. Yeah. Part of the story had to do with, like, they could have, in theory, worn their pressurized spacesuits, but those were, you couldn't fit three people in there, in their spacesuits at the same time. So maybe they had negotiations. Like, one of us is it going to wear it?

And nobody wanted to draw the straw. And they just decided to all die together. Okay. I would insist on wearing a spacesuit if it was very good space. What's interesting about this one is that here's what also kind of contributes to this lost cosmonaut theory is that the U.S. intercepted some of the communications from the spacecraft down to the Central Command. And there, they heard the cosmonauts talking about how angry they were, their government, and at the people on the ground who did this because it was

said that this was a rush job. And they just weren't, they're doing this for pride down because they were super prepared to do it. And so, again, that contributes. like they were willing to risk people's lives. Like that was kind of their MO. Which I'm not surprised by, I guess. It's like the thing. Like that's not shocking. Like, I don't know.

Like just I feel like a lot of people probably died. More than this. Yeah, 100%. I feel like the actual answer is like a lot of people died. So the short of it is that we learned about all these disasters after fall of the Soviet Union. And so anybody who's done a lot of research on this, has reached the inclusion that, like, we probably know we need to know, but also we're getting data from a government that categorically hid things, quantifiably hid things for over

sometimes almost 30 years. Yeah. And so is it, and they also erased people. They also deleted people, right? Like, there's records of them removing that one guy mentioned at the top Valentine from all the images and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, you know, was being released. So is it possible that there's somebody who's literally floating out? out in space right now because the soviess just didn't tell anybody that happened.

I don't know. To me, it seems very doable. Like, it seems like a real possible thing. And I'm going to end this one by saying that it's real. And there's somebody who is an icy corpse floating out into the outer reaches of space right now. I think it's 100% true. Also, did you know that Yuri Gregori Gagarian died in a plane crash in 1968 in like a weird way? It also has conspiracy theories around it. So I feel like they didn't want him to say more things either.

Yeah, probably. You know, like, I don't know, I'm willing to believe that one I'm willing to believe. It doesn't like hurt, I don't know. It doesn't hurt. You know, I just spent that much belief? Do you remember that guy? Do you remember that guy who was like Putin's best friend and he started that, that Wagner group? And it was like his private black army militia thing that he was sending into the,

into Ukraine and then the guy turned on Putin and do you remember this? Where they like they took a bunch of tanks and started going to Moscow like they were trying to get to Kremlin and then somebody made he revolted against Putin with his own

army and then they made friends again and then he just mysteriously died in like a helicopter accident like it's like it's not that crazy that happened it was like two years ago Taylor that wasn't like in the 1960s I don't know. It's not exclusive to Russia, the Soviet Union. I mean, I'm willing to believe that like plenty of things happen where they just like, oh, this person, you know, died in a car accident or whatever. Or hung himself in a jail cell.

Exactly. And like, I don't know. I don't know. I'm, I'm, I, this one, I like, I'm willing to believe this one. And I hope that we find someone someday. a lot of shit up there. I think to your thing earlier when I was like, oh, in space, it'd be cool. You were like, oh, Taylor, there's nothing there. And I'm like, oh, you're right. But, like, the, when Sputnik first came out and people knew what was out,

or up there or whatever, like, people in America, like, walked out of their houses that thought they could see it. Like, that's fun, you know? That is fun. You know, you're just like, what, can I see this? Remember when I saw the Starlink satellites? Did I tell you that?

It was cool. Yeah. I thought that, I was like, dude, I think that this is it. I think the aliens are coming because it was like, 15 dots in a row going really, really fast. But I was like, we were like, what the fuck is that? It was cool.

So I had that same experience when I was, when I was living in L.A. We were in Eagle Rock and I left the grocery store and everybody just, it was like a movie set. Everybody stopped. There was no cars moving. No humans were moving. Everybody was just staring at the sky. And I looked up and was like, oh my God. This is it.

I can see the space. I can see the space like, was it the satellites or the launch? I mean So the one I saw had to do with the Starlink That was not like one thing going up That was like what you're describing Where it was like multiple objects Kind of like creating their own weird

Traveling Yeah We should do that someday We should go like It's not that far from here Like we could like literally go watch a launch That'd be fun My dad sees him all the time

Because he lives in Florida on the beach And like he saw the guys go to the moon I posted it on our TikTok Because it's cool Like he sees them all the time it is cool. Yeah. Is that dog still up there too?

Yeah, they never got locked up there back. All right. You just reminded me that there's a red convertible Tesla with a man with a mannequin and a spacesuit floating out in the middle of the universe. Do you remember that? No. You don't remember? You remember when they launched, SpaceX launched a test,

Why? Just for fun? Just for fun. There's pictures of it. They put like GoPro's all outside of it and you can watch it. They put his hands on the steering wheel. It's really funny. That one I believe is a mannequin, but that's hilarious. So anyways, that's my story. I'm going to be in the camp of there's definitely somebody

up there, at least one. And maybe more. Who knows? Yeah. Yeah, who knows what North Korea did as it was developing an ICBM. Right. I'm sure a lot of people died. And like, I mean, even like to your, to the devil's venom thing, like, you know, a building exploded a lot of people died. Like that's going, that happens.

Yeah. You don't know. Well, scary. It's scary and fun. I'm into it. I'd still rather go into outer space and the bottom of the ocean. I don't know. That's a good question.

I feel like the bottom of the ocean is way more dangerous. scary. Is like pressure sorted? And I'm afraid about that. I'm worried about it. It's your pressure. Yeah. There's no pressure.

I think, yeah. I mean, I feel like there's more animals in the ocean. That's a fair assessment. No can kill you. There's probably something in space that can kill you. I mean, there's lots of things. It's probably animals or whatever.

You know what I mean? Aliens, but the, um, underwater, I guess you've eaten by a giant squid. Just stay on the ground. What's your best bet? Yeah. No, I agree. If you have any opinions, ideas, thoughts, anything you'd like to share, please write to us. Yeah, tell us some fun conspiracy theories.

I want to hear those. Go ahead. Yeah. And it's funny because a lot of these things somehow, some way find a way to be true. Like, we learned that the government didn't kill JFK, but somebody that worked for the government accidentally shot him in the head because his colleagues were hungover. like you know like it's some way back yeah my i i like the idea i haven't said this before about like we've been this foreign civilization before and destroyed ourselves and move rebuilding

yeah i can buy that yeah totally totally buy that yeah yeah anyway yeah right to use the duneful pot at gmail dot com right to find us on all the socials a doom to fill pod taylor do you have anything else to sign us off with no please tell your friends please give us a review that'd be awesome We'd very much appreciate that. Okay. On that note, I'll go ahead and cut it off there. Thank you.