Doomed to Fail - Ep 28: Real life Chucky dolls: The story of James Bulger

Episode Date: July 5, 2023

For our second story this week Farz tells us about the one worst things out there - children who kill. Come back to 1993 with us, where malls were 80% kidnappers, 10% people smoking cigarettes, and 10% children available for kidnapping. We’re going back to the UK for the horrific murder of sweet, sweet James Patrick Bulger by the terrors Robert Thompson & Jon Venables.Learn what they did AND where they are now! (Bc they’re like 40)Images via WikipediaLet us know what you think of our new bi-weekly format!Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpodEmail: [e-mail] Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In a matter of the people of the state of California, first is Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. Now I'm recording. I can tell you, Taylor, how much I admire how much you get done, because you have so many hobbies, so many side hustles. You work like a demanding career. You have two children. First is genuinely complimenting me, and I was like, try to record. I know, I know. And now it sounds insincere, because I'm literally just, but it's actually really impressive. You do so many different things.

Thank you, thank you. So we are back for part two of this week's split episode situation. And I got to start up from the top. So this is doomed to fail. I'm Fars. This is Taylor. last Monday was Taylor's section on a historical story, and now this is my section on a true crime story. And so we're going to test this, form it out for a few weeks, see how it plays out for us and see how it plays out for y'all.

And if it works, I'm going to keep doing this way. Otherwise, we can just revert back the way we've been doing things. So that's what I got. I love it. I opened up my other beer. You're still drinking the same Pacific. You're doing a new Pacifico. Yeah, I only had two Pacificos.

So now I have zero Pacificos, Pacificos. but I just saw the Diet Coke that I've drank any of. Yeah, so when I talked about my story in case you missed it, we were drinking motor oil because we were talking about Detroit and the Fords. And as far as you were drinking your kombucha. I'm done with the kombucha. All right. I'm drinking water now.

All right. Yeah. I'm excited. I'm going to go grill some meat after this. So I'm going to save my beer drinking. That's fair. It's just so hot. We were at the Park MGM in Las Vegas this weekend, which we love with

like love the hotel. There's no smoking inside. It's like great for kids to like walk around and not feel like you're going to die. Wait, the MGM doesn't have smoking. No, the park MGM across the street from the MGM. It used to be the money carlo. But we were in the pool and the pool was like lukewarm at best. It was not refreshing. You know, it was like nice to be in the water and we like have pinkoladas and like so it was like cool, but it was like, man, you can't keep a pool from being super hot these days. No, I was actually thinking about like doing like a regular thing where I just go get like a bunch of ice like as a one off and just fill it fill the pool with it because it is not refreshing right now but I don't know it feels like when it's this

hot in your roast anyways like whatever else jump in the water yeah so you're drinking the pacifico I have this water and we're on to the true crime section of our story so I I started this out so this I literally picked this story out earlier today Like, it was like a really flight moment of like just trying to figure out what I'm going to talk about. And I picked it because I love the movie, the Chucky franchise. And I, and I just learned that there's a series, a Chucky series that is now two seasons in, which is really cool. I didn't actually know about that. I looked at the, I watched the trailer.

I've not seen it itself, but it looked really, really cool. But it started to make me think about other terrifying little things. And it made me go down a rabbit hole of researching the human equivalent of a Chucky doll. Which is a killer kid. Ooh. And Chucky is actually going to make an appearance in this story in real life. Oh, no. So the story I'm going to be discussing today is about the murder of James Bulger.

Do you know that name? No. But I might after you talk a little about it, but tell me more. I'm not going to Google it. Should I Google it? I'm not going to Google it. No, no, no, yeah. So some people, some people know this name.

And probably the reason why you know this name is not the reason why I want to, Not the person I'm talking about. You probably know the name James Bulger because James Whitey Bulger was a famous Irish mobster who was murdered in prison and ran the south side of Boston for like 70 years. That's not who we're talking about. That just happened. Yeah, that was like me like six, seven years ago. And he was like on the lamb for a long time?

Yeah, yeah. He was on the lamb. The movie Black Masked by Johnny Depp is about him. If you watch, if you've seen the departed, Jack Nicholson's character is basically Whitey Bulger. Like this guy is like really, really famous. That's why when I say James Bolger, the natural instinct is you're talking about whitey no i'm not talking about white this is a different

james bolger got it so unrelated totally unrelated so this james was actually a two-year-old boy from england who suffered an incredibly horrific fate at the hands of two basically 10-year-old chucky dolls this all happened in early 1993 so our story will start with the two main antagonists 10-year-old's Robert Thompson and John Venables. These two were friends and classmates and had a habit of playing hooky from class together, and on the day of the murder, the two of them went to the local mall to just basically be hooligans and steal shit and be annoying bastards, basically. Yeah.

For some reason, they had decided that what they wanted to do while at the mall was abducted kid and push him into oncoming traffic. That's what they told police later on after everything. that is about to happen happens and honestly i would rarely ever say this but like doing that would have been like a blessing compared to what they actually ended up doing wow that's how bad it was oh my god the day there at the mall a woman named denise bulger and her two-year-old son james are at a butcher's store that's in the mall and denise literally lets go of james's hand to pay the butcher she looks down and he's gone that's how fast that's how fast it happened it's absolutely insane

I yell. I mean, I do yell at the kids all the time at the store if I can't see them. And I'm like, I know I saw him a crazy fucking person. But if I can't see you, you're kidnapped. Like, I have to be able to see you. You know? And even that, like, I should be touching them. I should latch them to me. So when I was living in Florida, I went to, um, the, there's a mall that I called the Sawgrass Mills. And I, there was like this little girl, like this small little two, three year old girl just standing in the middle of like this walkway just, crying and nobody was helping her nobody was doing anything and i walked up to her and was like what are you doing here he's like mommy mommy mommy i was like i don't know what i'm supposed to do and luckily there were like women there who like our moms and we're like okay we got like figure out what to do i was like cool this is not my thing anymore you're all run with this thing but like i would imagine it's something similar you just look down and your kid's gone like it's got to be the scariest thing in the world well what you tell your kids i mean of all the parenting

lessons you tell your kids well one that I grew up never need your help so like you don't don't don't help a grown up but also if you are lost you look for a mom with kids and she can help you you know like look for another mom who has a bunch of kids and she will help you find me yeah so if if like i walk up smelling like bourbon you know that's the opposite of that but i was very helpful in that situation oh that's very nice if you thank you because luckily like other people were there because i would not have known how to handle that situation obviously yeah yeah So literally in the seconds that it took her to pay this butcher, John and Robert grabbed James by the hand and led him away.

This was all captured on CCTV cameras. It's in full color. You can actually see them holding his hands and everything. Yeah. They take him down to the Leeds in Liverpool Canal, which if you look up pictures of it now, looks like a very quaint and lovely little green space, which is probably due to the fact that after this event,

like some 57 million pounds, British pounds worth of revitalizations happen, there but when they were there it was like the opposite of charming think like more albert fish than pastures in england type of vibes i'm picturing the um like the what they called it like the that's the wetlands wherever they went in it even though i know that's a mean but you know in it they like went to the woods and it was like awful keep going it's definitely not like that but it's actually just as terrifying So they make their way to this canal, and that's kind of when all the torture basically starts. It started fairly mildly at first.

It's awful no matter what, but it's still somewhat mild. They picked James up by his head, or they picked him up, they turned him upside down, and then dropped him on his head on the cron creek. James is a two-year-old boy. Like the concept of someone being mean to you or someone hurting you is just like unfath-like, I can't imagine what this little boy was thinking. he was crying hysterically because he just didn't know why people were being mean to him well why was this happening and because of this they were seen by somewhere around 38 people seeing james crying

they would eventually walk away from the canal and walk two and a half miles to another city during that walk two people stopped them saying what's going on what are you doing with this kid and they just said oh he's our brother he's fine he's our brother which like you probably believe right like what who would question that in like oh god it sucks at like the the like what is the mom doing right now like freaking out obviously yeah yeah so they get to a juncture in this city between a cemetery and a railway station and they find a remote area on this railway station and just basically start trying to torture and kill james they had when they were at the mall they'd shoplifted some uh paint and And so they started pouring paint in his eyes for some reason.

It was blue paint. They were being very specific that was blue paint, which will come up later on. No. They kicked him. They stomped on him. They threw bricks and stones at him. They shoved batteries in his mouth for some reason. They found a fish plate, which is a 22 pound piece of steel that connects two sections

of railway together. And they would just like throw it on him while he was on the ground. And that injury alone resulted in intense skull fracture. So it was bad. It was really, really bad. okay there's a part of this where there's some element of like sexual abuse and it is not affirmed 100% whether it was true or not there were some things that came out they're like this could have happened this could not have happened and frankly I don't really love talking about

that very much and so because it's not a confirmed thing I'd just rather not even discuss it because we don't know so after all this they lay James out on the track who at this point had already stopped moving and a train came didn't see him and split up in half oh my god poor baby so the one saving grace was that he was already dead when the train hit him they know that for sure and apparently they couldn't figure out what the cause of death was because he had so many injuries they they found 42 injuries on his body of which they think most of those were in and of themselves capable of killing him but they don't know what what actually ended up killing him oh my god it's terrible yeah so by this point james the missing child but nobody

knows where he is it was basically dumb luck that anyone found this kid because his the boys had covered his body with six in the debris so when the train hit him they were like i just hit something whatever like we don't know what did something apparently some luna that's luna it's a dog it's a dog thank you taylor you're welcome apparently uh Playing on railroad tracks is like a pastime in the 1990s in England because some kids were also playing on the railroad tracks two days after this happened and they found his body and reported it. This was not a whodunit. It was it was obvious. The boys, you could clearly see them on video lean this kid away, right?

So it wasn't like that big of thing. The media ran with this story and some woman knew John and immediately identified him and called the police. John was brought in. So it was robber. They were questioned. It was determined that they were. obviously guilty there's a ton of evidence here around forensic stuff that went on like one i mean there were their clothes were covered in his blood they had blue pain all over them they like

it was just like 50 different things that made it completely unequivocal and unquestionable that they were the killers we know that for a fact basically so they were put on trial and by this point they're 11 years old and they are tried as adults In England, at the time, the age of which a person could be held criminally liable for their actions is 10 years old. Most of the time, that doesn't mean they are subject to adult penalties. It just means that we think you're old enough to have understood the ramifications of your actions. You know, right? Wrong way then.

Yeah. Yeah. So, like, I looked up, so in the, guess what the youngest ages in the U.S.? 16? Six. Six? Yeah. Do you know what state?

Uh, Utah. North Carolina. All right. The oldest age for criminal responsibility in the U.S. is 12 and that is actually, wow, weird that you said Utah. The oldest age is 12 and that is California, Massachusetts, and Utah. So every other state kind of falls between six and 12 years old. Got it. At trial, they were found guilty and became the youngest convicted murderers in history.

Oh, God. It's hard. like i mentioned kids don't simply get punished like adults so uh when the judge sentenced them they sentenced them to serve at her majesty's pleasure which is a term of art in uk saying they stay in prison until a parole board decides they've been rehabilitated but the judge did say that his recommendation is they stay in jail for a minimum of eight years the judge i mean this is kind of angry actually later on we're going to get into the penalty phase more the judge in this case did something that was also incredibly rare he released

their names to the public which like almost never happens with juvenile offenders but he was like the public needs to know and and he just made that determination and decided to do that the media jumped all over this and per usual content was determined to be the main factor in all this again circling back to chucky they found out that john's dad right before this had happened had rented child's play three and in that movie there's a scene where some kids are playing paintball and Chuckie replaces the paintballs with actual bullets and the fact that there's a scene of someone getting shot with a blue paintball pellet and the paint was rubbed into James's eye that was blue think that maybe Chuckie had someone

to do with this. I mean, Chuckie is no, yes and yes and no, like that you have to be a real shitty kid to make that correlation. I mean, Taylor, between me and you, we've probably watched like in total like two years worth of slasher movies. Yeah. never killed anyone there's like the whole content is what makes people do things argument it's just so not based in science you're a bad person you're gonna do something bad anyway you know like yeah there's no way but so many kids I grew up with grew up watching Bambi and crying when the mom was killed in their hunters now like it has no impact they had the opposite impact maybe that's too bad I hate that shit that's so the two were sent

to basically like Kid Joe, which kind of sounded like a secure version of a camp. Their parents could visit them regularly and they were able to basically continue their education and then undergo cow skin therapy. It's worth noting that they apparently exhibited like fairly severe PTSD. From what I was reading, it sounded a lot like Robert was the antagonist. And John kind of just went along with him. By most accounts, there didn't seem to be any remorse than Robert, whereas John, did seem to have remorse like it seemed like it actually bothered him a lot more than it bothered

robber what they ended up doing to this kid which good it should but it's gonna but it's gonna be an important detail here in a minute when I talk about where they're at now yeah what about like I imagine if my kid had like was in this juvenile prison for like I don't know filling a car you know I'd be like I don't want him anywhere fucking near these guys yeah right I don't know I feel like because other people, I don't know, this is bad. And that was actually a part of it was the sense of isolation they also experienced because the other kids that were in there, they weren't in there for freaking killing a two-year-old. They were in there for something stupid.

They were like chewing from school or like stole a car or something, you know? Yeah, exactly. It's a big difference. They're, so these kids were in prison or they're virtual kid jail, whatever, um, Juvie. And it's worth knowing that during this time, there's a lot of political maneuvering that's happening around this case. So politicians in England are basically using this as an, this event as a, I'm Tough on Crime Stance by advocating for higher sentences, which ended up actually happening. So the original sentence was at her majesty's pleasure with a minimum of eight years.

That got pushed to 10, then that got pushed to 15. In the middle of all this, John and Robert's parents were also appealing to the EU's court saying that they should not have been tried as adults. And they basically saying like the legality of changing a prison sentence after the fact is not right for a kid. And so the court agreed and basically long and short was that it dropped back to eight years. So a lot of procedural stuff that was going on there, but that was a long and short of it. Ultimately, ultimately they served like basically the minimum. They served like a little bit over eight, eight years. I think it was like eight years and six months.

And on in it, they got released in June of two. 2001. So they're around like 18, 19 years old, give or take. I don't love that. Yeah. To say that they were the most hated people in England is kind of an understatement. They couldn't go back to being themselves once they were released. They were treated like a protected mob witness. They were given new identities. They were moved to a secret part of England with fabricated passports. They were legitimately in witness protection. And part of it was that they couldn't access certain things, which would be parole violations, because if they did so, people in the neighborhoods would realize who they are and target them. And so they weren't

allowed to go to certain cities, their movement was restricted, and so on. The fear was that if people knew who they were, they would actually kill them. Like, this didn't stop the media. In one case, a media outlet figured out and published their location, did not know their names, but they did another location they published that they were found in contempt of court in order to pay 150,000 pounds in penalty and also like a large part of these penalties had to do with how expensive it was to keep this up for the government in another situation a foreign publication so one that the government couldn't control through contempt of court proceedings also said that they found out their new names and identities and so they're going to publish that and the government

it literally paid them to not publish it. So this was not like a fine or anything. This was like, please don't do this because it's going to cost a shit lot of money to get these guys back under witness protection again. For decades after their release, people in the UK would publish pictures or names of people they didn't like and say it was these two. That's hilarious and terrible. It's terrible. It reminded me the son of Sam when, remember that? Yeah, you'd be like, yeah, I think it's my creepy uncle, you know, I think it's a brother-in-law. He's kind of a, it's kind of a jerk here in Brooklyn. Yeah. Henry's like, here's like, yeah, there's a guy named, uh, there's a bookie named Tommy Leg Breakers. I think it was him. He's like, yeah, you know, Tommy Leg Breakers. He's my

bookie too. So nice try. Oh my God. That's hilarious. I love that part. But again, this section could be like 10 minutes on the tone. So if I say, a lot of people went to jail for like almost getting other people killed by saying that people they didn't like are these two guys they happen a lot a lot it happened it happened into like the 2015-16s like it was happening constantly

in 2010 John got arrested again on charges of having and distributing child pornography this obviously created issues given his release from prison and also with protecting his new identity because now he's back in the system he's back in court and his identity can be revealed this picture can be taken all that stuff

they really went over the top to protect this guy and he actually wasn't actually that protective himself of his identity he actually told two random people when he was in witness protection who he actually was and the court went around

their typical procedures when he got brought up on these top pornography charges where it was just the judge who could see his face nobody else could see his face like the prosecution like his lawyer's nothing kind of wild at the time something happened when he was in jail that resulted in him needing an entirely new identity at the time it was called a quote serious security breach unquote

later on we learned that because he was caught on pedophilia charges like his info kind of leaked out in there because it's kind of like america where they have a version of the sex offender offender registry basically who did that who had that john venables got and there was a website that would publish the info of people who were caught doing pedophilic things and John was part of that and his info was published on the internet so they had to change his identity again they have a sex offender wait why but if he shouldn't he be on the sex offender registry it's not that he's no no it's not that he's on the registry it's the fact that they tied his fake identity to his actual identity because because is his fake identity on the registry

because i would want to know if someone near me was a pito i don't know if so it didn't it ultimately didn't end up mattering in his case and i'll explain why in a moment but his uh the problem was so let's say you changed it from john venables to bill john johnson okay so bill johnson's a sex offender the guy living is bill john johns is a sex fender the fact that he's also john venables what the government is trying to prevent because if he'll find out that he's John Venables, they will kill him. As long as they know that he's a sex inspector. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That part became obvious and clear to the entire world.

In 2013, he was again paroled from prison on these child pornography charges, which I'm really starting to think the UK is like just super, super, super chill on punishment. Like, he was an adult. Like, he was not a kid anymore. He was an adult when he did this. Eight years in total for torturing and murder. murdering a two-year-old and then it was it was a year and a half for this child pornography charge but realistically the reason that it took so long to get released had nothing to do with the underlying child pornography charges the reason it took so long was because they had to

create a new identity form because this information got published on this website that was the issue that the government had with him yeah anyways didn't matter in 2017 he had got caught on child pornography charges and he's in jail as of like this moment as of right now he's still in jail and again the issue is this identity because the government started looking into Canada, Australia, New Zealand. They're like, where can we send this guy? We don't have to create any identity form every couple of years. And obviously it's kind of like, yeah, no, thanks for sending your best and brightest, but we're good. We're going to hold off on having John and or our country. Justinda Arlen, one of the great prime ministers and world leaders,

she said something along lines of, yeah, we're not going to give this guy special treatment. He's more than welcome to fill up the application for citizenship or transfer or whatever immigration. I would not waste my time if I was him, though. I mean, I feel like I've read, like, even like in the States, like stories of being like, okay, this real bad guy has got to get out of jail, where do we put him? And people would be like, no, there was a guy here. I remember I saw a petition on like, door or something that they're trying to send like a sex offender like give him a house here in like our area and people sign a petition to be like no yeah yeah like it's you there's no there's no option

other than change identities randomly insert him somewhere with like a back sort like there's no there's no other way to do it yeah so there was the thing i read when i was looking this case up that had to do with kind of like explaining kind of a way the sex charges or the um the chop pornography charges because apparently he also dated really young he had like a 17 year old girlfriend and he would like he was a gross dude but i read something about how there is this concept when like your childhood is taken away you have what's referred to as delayed adolescence and you just miss this chunk of childhood because of what you experience and there's some apologist thought process that like Yeah. Maybe that's why he did what he did. Like, he's not the worst person in the world. Somebody else was also in this position. But I don't know, man. You killed a two-year-old. You got caught with all this stuff. It's just like, I don't know. I can't make an excuse for that.

No, no, absolutely not. But, like, I feel like that's an argument that people use that reminds me of, like, Michael Jackson. Because, like, he didn't have a childhood, you know? Was that one of his arguments? Yeah, not his arguments, but, like, people's arguments about him. Like, his childhood's taken away. from him. He was in that lot. His parents were, it was terrible. But also, that wasn't even his fault. It was terrible. He didn't kill anyone. I don't think. Yeah. It's terrible because his parents. Yeah. I mean, this guy is probably going to be locked up for the foreseeable future. And realistically, it's probably not even going to have anything to do with the sex offense charges. Probably going to have to do with the fact that it costs so much money to create

new identity for him. And this guy keeps telling everyone who he is. It's just like you stop talking about your identity. You fucking idiot. Meanwhile, Robert seems to be doing fine. So he later on came out as gay and has been in a very, very long-term, happy, healthy relationship with a man who does actually know his identity. Yeah. And in the prevailing years, he's proven to be much less a piece of shit than John is, but maybe it has to do with the fact that he's a psychopath and probably has no emotions whatsoever

anyways. I don't know. But you think that that one was the instigator. Yeah, that's a prevailing theory is that he was the instigator. So there's some gay couple in the UK right now who are 14. years old or one of them is this guy yeah look at your friends with suspicion everyone seriously i mean they're not all the other crazy ones that we know of like carlo homoka is like literally just like going to pta meetings and like going to the park like it's wild unbelievable uh that's so sad

poor james what a freaking cutie pie i'm looking at him his little his little english accent yeah and and this is actually a fairly recent story because he was supposed to come up for parole in october of 2022 and that got pushed out six months i don't know what the latest status is it it's presumed that he's still in jail but because of the nature of security around his identity and his name i don't know we don't know for sure because it could be a thing where the government releases him and it's like i'm just not going to tell anyone what happened with this guy and he just goes off into the in the sunset right but then he'd fuck up again he's a fuck up yeah yeah really terrible stuff like he was not like he was like he was like he was caught with like how to

create it yourself and yeah yeah yeah bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad yeah um and it's crazy that that i guess i guess i remember this i mean they're my they're my age they're like exactly my age no like we would have been in school together wait are they yeah they were you were 83, 82, okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah, which is crazy. It's wild, not good. And it's wild because it's like, it's like, again, like, because they're so young, it just makes you think like, like, all these people stopped them and saw what's going on,

but it's like, who on earth would ever think anything other than this is these guys, like, who you wouldn't, yeah? A 10-year-old would kidnap a two-year-old, like, it's crazy. Oh, it feels like an unfortunate, unfortunate tragedy that was probably very, very hard to not happen yeah i wonder how many people get stolen in a mall i don't know i'm trying to see if there's like mall kidnappings i guess i think doesn't happen less now because we don't care about malls as much i think that's probably a part of it but also i think like you know if you're an adult you know you're going to get caught if you do something in a mall because there's cameras everywhere

yeah hasn't kidnappings in general gone down what's the ratio what's I want to look this up have kidnappings gone down in the USA on average

fewer than 350 people under the age of 21 have been abducted by strangers in the U.S. per year since 2010 is that less than before but is it like in a weird way because of like like the way that you think are there less serial killers because of

forensics could be I don't know wait in 2020 400,000 were abducted in the U.S. That can't be right I was going to go hug my children and hold their hands I'm like I need to see you constantly No this is also kids who run away and do stupid shit like that

sure sure sure sure sure yeah i can't find stats on whether it's gone down or not but i would i mean i would assume it has i mean it's still a lot look if 350 it says 350 a year ago um are actually abducted by strangers that's that that feels like that's like almost one a day which is like a crazy high number of my opinion yeah that's still so many oh my god yeah it's real scary i'm scared though I don't love it yeah yeah it's not a good story it's not fun but don't love it but that is our tale for this week cool well thanks for having let us know what you think about this being two two parts friends and fam that this was our second half also let us know if you're which one you're going to see first Barbie or Oppenheimer I'm going with

Oppenheimer. Yeah, no, you see Oppenheimer, then you have a few drinks and see Barbie, and then you can sleep at night. That's how you're doing it? You're going to do a two-for? I don't know. We're going to be a vacation, so, like, kids, people can technically watch our children for us, and we could do it. Wow, okay. That's actually not a bad idea. Yeah, Chris Nolan movies don't like, I mean, they're good to think about, but like, this one feels like it's going to, like, make you feel weird. Oppenheimer, brunch, Barbie, sleep at night. Okay. I think that's the only way to do it, if you're going to do it in order. July 20th people, mark your calendars, 18 days to go.

We're very excited. Yeah, I'll be in New York that weekend and I'll be there the 22nd. So I think that might be the day. What's one on New York? We're going upstate-ish to, like, go to a house and see family. I know. It's exhausting. We're going to be real close to Hyde Park.

So I'm going to go to Hyde Park. And so I'm very excited. I'm going to go to wherever Lorena Hickok is buried and do all of those, those Eleanor Roosevelt's pilgrimages. That sounds fun. That sounds lovely. Next time you're here, I've got to take you to this bar that's called, so it's it's Roosevelt room and it's on the block called Eleanor Roosevelt.

So I've been there like four or five times. It's actually a really good bar. So we'll go check it out. That's that's fun. Sweet Taylor, everybody, please do like, subscribe, write us emails at doom to fail pod at at gmail.com and tell us something. I have one more listener mail. Let's hear it.

Um, Lindsay, my cousin, um, is super smart and has a PhD in Japanese literature and spends a lot of time in Japan. And her and her husband, Brad, went to, um, Oda Fuku in Asakusa, Tokyo, which is a place that has a perpetual broth. So the broth they've been making or like simmering since like 1950. Which I have a picture of because you sent me a picture of it. And did you notice that they basically, they also, like it's like a martini. They put olives in like a stick in the perpetual broth. Yes, I see all those. I see a thing. I'll post a picture. She sent them to me. She said that it was very rich and she doesn't eat meat a lot. So she definitely got sick the next day, but she doesn't blame that on the perpetualness because Brad, her husband did not. It looks really good, though. It looks really rich. So I'll share her photos, but super great. She called it a doomed to fail fan pilgrimage. Fanned pilgrimage. That's really nice. That's awesome. Thank you, Lindsay. I think, Lindsay. Sweet. So yeah, like us on all the socials and all things. Give us your feedback. And we will iterate this as needed. Awesome.

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