Doomed to Fail - Ep 3 - Part 2: Trouble in Celebration - The Todt Family Murders

Episode Date: September 29, 2023

Join us for this classic re-release - the murder of the Todt family in Celebration, Florida. Listen, We think Disney adults are weird, and we don't feel bad about that. You're especially weird if you want to live in Celebration. Anthony Todt (also BTW Todt means 'dead' in German, which they weren't allowed to mention at the trial) murdered his family in a house he had stopped paying rent on - and he stayed for days with their dead bodies. That's most of the story, but hear the details in part 2 of Episode 3!  (As I'm typing this, I literally saw a person on Instagram who gets re-married to her husband every other year at Disney, and like, people are starving, could you imagine?)Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail]  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

Hi everyone, Taylor from Doom to Fail here. Today we are re-releasing episode three, part two on the infamous Tote Family Murders. So these murders, it's a family annihilator. That's one person who, spoiler, kills their entire family. This time it happens in the happiest place on Earth, which is Disney World, which I disagree with. But, you know, more on that in the episode. Next to Disney World, if you didn't know, there's a town called. Celebration, Florida. That's like made by Disney to be a perfect little town. The Toot family came from Connecticut to escape some criminal charges, honestly, and then they rented a house in celebration, and the poor woman they rented it too had no idea what was about to happen. So yeah, let us know what you think. Here is episode three, part two, the Toad family. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. I'll digesting your story a little bit.

So, like I mentioned, I am discussing the tote. family. Tote is spelled T-O-D-T, just in case you ever want to look it up yourself. Do you know what that means in German? No. Dead. Are you serious? Mm-hmm. Tote. Why do you know that?

Because I took like eight years of German. It was funny. I took Russian and I don't know any of it now. I'm pretty far in dual lingo, but I also took it in college and so, you know. Yeah, I took it in college too. And it was like, I'm in Texas. I probably should learn Spanish, but I know I learned Russian. So let's get into the Toad family. So obviously, Taylor, you know, I love true crime. I like to think that I'm aware of the more sensational stories that are out there. This one wasn't even on my radar. Yeah, I've never heard it, and I'm really surprised because I feel like I've heard everything. So that's cool. So I'm going to

plug a few other shows here. I stumbled on this story, mostly because YouTube's algorithm just totally has me dialed in. And they recommended a channel for me called the behavior panel. This is a channel that is comprised of four body language experts who review police interviews or testimony on the witness stand. They'll pause these conversations, they'll pause these videos, and they'll assess what they're reading into that person's body language. Okay, that's the entire premise of this YouTube channel.

YouTube recommended a episode of this to me called History's Worst Lire Question. question mark, Anthony Tote, with a picture of Tony. I'm going to call him Tony from here and out. That's how people refer to him. Someone's going to call him Tony. And it was a picture of Tony, and he just looked like a haunted dupus. Like, he just looked like such an idiot on this screenshot that I was like, ah, this could be interesting.

He's so hapless looking. Let's see what this guy's all about. I went down a rabbit hole. I actually think I probably scared people how deep into this I went. I would tell everyone I met about this case for a period of maybe two months. Like, I am positive there are women in Austin that I went on dates with. Add me on their list of worst dates ever. They're probably telling their current boyfriends of this date where I'm talking about

this horrible, haunted crime that is just like in my brain forever now. I can't wait. I will look around on the internet. see if there's anyone who's like, watch out for the guy who talks about this scary thing. Yeah. Sorry to, sorry to you all, if you all are listening. Go back to this. So this story is so macabre and sinister.

The one thing I would tell people listening is don't try to go inside this guy's head. You know, so much of what I love about true crime is trying to figure out like, how could someone be this way? How could they do this? how, you know, like, what are the the thought patterns that would lead someone to the outcomes that we see in True Prime? Don't do it with this guy.

It'll take you places that you don't want to go. Just trust me. Like, I went really deep with this, and I just don't want to do it again. But yeah, if you really want to go in the weeds on this, there is a 14-part series called Looking for the Toad family. It's produced by this publication called The Day.

I highly recommend it. It was incredible. I actually listened to it twice, back back. I actually didn't go back and listen to it when we started researching this because it was already ingrained in my brain, like I said before. But, Farras, are you, are you okay? Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm totally fine. Again, like, in this, when we started, when I started researching this again, I didn't go as deep as I did before, because I didn't want to. But I highly recommend the day, it's publication. They actually

interviewed this guy. They interview his sister. They, like, they did an incredible job of a completely comprehensive take on what happened here okay so let's get into the um the subjects of this topic so there's tony tote he's 47 he's a patriarch of the family he is married to megan who's 42 was 42 they had three children alec who's 13 Tyler who's 11 Zoe who's four and they also had a dog name breezy I'm using past tense for reason I heard that um tell me what year we're in? We, everything transpires in 2019 and 2020. Oh, Jesus. Okay. Yeah, fairly recent. It's like yesterday. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. There isn't a ton of detail out there about Megan and Tony's past. All we know is there were high school sweethearts. They grew up together. By all accounts,

it was kind of an idyllic marriage. It looked like a successful happy marriage from the outside it in. And that's unfortunately where the extent of our knowledge of their background is. There is a detail about Tony's background. I'm going to go into a little bit later. I just don't actually know where to couch that in this outline. So we're going to discuss it later on. One thing to note is Megan had Lyme disease. I don't know much about Lyme disease other than from the stories I've heard, it can be an incredibly debilitating disease. Do you know anything about this? It comes from ticks, right? Yes.

You typically get it from a tick. Yeah. And I feel like I, well, I remember, do you remember the real world Seattle? Definitely not. Okay. That is not something that's going on the hard drive forever. There's a real world Seattle. Oh my gosh.

It was so dramatic. It was like 1993, maybe. And I remember one of the women had Lyme disease and it was really debilitating for her. And I know people who like, I think I know people who have it. And it's definitely something that. is really difficult to recover from. Yeah, yeah. Don't go in the woods and get eaten by a tick.

Well, I don't know if it has psychological impacts, but I put it in this because there's a part of this story that comes up a little bit later that might make it relevant that she had a live disease. We'll get to that. For Tony's part, Tony was a physical therapist in Colchester, Connecticut. it. He was apparently pretty successful and good at it. Enough to at least to start his own clinic that was called family physical therapy. From what I read of his patients, they were incredibly pleased with him. And again, if you listen to the day podcast, there's so many glowing interviews of his patients that are in that. It's fantastic. Like after? After? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I don't even know what happens, but I'm saying like after. They're like, they went back

and interviewed some of the patients. They're like, this guy, like one lady was like crying, saying that her kid was in constant pain, and Tony's therapy, like, just saved them. Both. Yeah, like, he was apparently really good at this. Um, but we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna have appetizers, okay? An appetizer of a crime. So we're gonna start with a starter crime just to get the ball rolling here. Okay. I immediately said that I said, mm, mozzarella sticks in my head, so. I thought a jalapeno poppers. Nice. Oh, we should get one of those things that has a little bit of everything. I think, I know we're doing that for this um so as a starter crime to kind of wet our appetite tony was apparently

engaged in um medicaid fraud from about 2015 to 2019 so tony this is going to be a theme here to me tony tony would over and send himself constantly um and he did it with his clinic as well he had the best of the best equipment in one instance he ended up billing a patient's insurance company and medicaid for 172 sessions that he didn't perform so that's basically like that's how this fraud works is you say I did a service you've issued an invoice you get paid for it you didn't actually do anything so um in addition to that he had multiple commercial loans that he had taken out it kind of sounds like he was running a Ponzi scheme on himself where he'd take a loan out to pay expenses in other loans then take another loan to pay that loan he's basically he's just

Bernie Madoffing himself at this point like you made no sense like I don't even understand how desperate one could be where you don't see the writing on the wall if you continue doing this, but he did it. I feel like this is a theme that we see a lot is like not knowing what to do with all your debt. Like the turpins had all that credit card debt. And even like the people of Jamestown had to much debt back to the back to England. They had to start doing kind of like weird shit to figure out how to get something they needed. We don't know how much that Lucy was in.

So we can't substantiate that. Lucy McGillicuddy? Yes, of course. So it's worth noting that Megan was not involved in operations of the business at all. She sometimes worked as a physical therapist. For the most part, she was just homeschooling the kids. It's fair to assume she had no idea what was going on financially. And as far as she was concerned, she was with this great provider and Tony who was basically taking care of everything.

And again, as far as we can tell, everybody liked and respected him. So why would she dive into it? But I actually flag this is red flag number one for me, which is be okay with inquiring into your spouse about what's going on with them professionally. I feel like maybe like this family was incredibly, incredibly traditional where the wife stays at home with the kids and homeschools and the husband goes out and earns a bread and does all that, which is fine. But you should also have the kind of relationship where it's okay to bring the negative

and the stressors of your professional life into your personal life. And so I don't, it doesn't sound like that was the case here. It sounds like there was a clear silo between Tony's professional life and his personal life, which I can't imagine how much tension that puts on a person. I mean, we'll see how it turns out. But yeah. So keep in mind that as we're going to go through and talk about all this, that he'd already been found out by the authorities that he'd been committing this fraud. So the news is starting a time.

So Tony's the only person who knows what's going on. here. Nobody else knows what's going on. His employees don't know what's going on. The patients don't know what's going on either. Megan obviously doesn't know what's going on either. Okay. I'm going to go into a bit of a rant, Taylor. Okay. So in the interest of overextending, the family also rented a house in Celebration, Florida. So they had a house in Colchester. They also got a house of Celebration. Taylor, your reaction, I wrote this about it. I was like, what does Taylor know about this city? And you just reacted in the exact way that I was hoping you would react. So tell you what you know about the city. I've been there. Holy shit. Okay. So I am of the opinion that like,

and I hate to yuck people's yums. And I know I did that in the last episode with the sex party at the Turpins house. But also I stand by if you're at a sex party and children are being abused, you should call the police. Also like people like different sex parties, that's fine. So I apologize for yucking that yumb. But I do feel like it's really hard for me to not yuck the yum of Disney adults because you're a freaking adults. Like I know adults that go Disney World by the I'm like, what is wrong with you? So, I mean, I know people love it, but like, I just don't understand. I don't even want to go with my kids. But celebration is the city in Orlando that's like a Disney town where like they made everything look perfect. You know, like I went there because

my in-laws just live in Orlando. And we went there on Christmas to a restaurant and walked outside and it was like fake snowing. So it's like building this idea that you live in this like idyllic perfect Disney town with a bunch of other fucking psychopaths because everybody wants to live in a Disney town and it's weird a shit. Taylor, guess what the average age of a person living in celebration is? 45. 37. Oh.

How fucking stunted. Sorry, I'm not talking shit. If you're in celebration, God love you. But how fucking stunted are you if that is the epitome of a life to you at 37 years old? It's so weird. I mean, I don't know. I mean, obviously, I just talked about a Disney movie and how, like, Coquolum was a big deal for a lot of people. Just like, sure. But it's just like, it's too much for buying a house in celebration. That was the overlap, by the way. That was it?

Yeah, the Pocahontas movie, the Disney movie, and then the celebration, that's the overlap here. There's another one, too. But I just wanted to say that Jason Mamoa would not live there. nobody you would want to socialize with would live there again if you live there god bless you um but yeah overall one of the grossest concepts i've ever come across um it is i wrote down that it is the ben shapiro of cities just it's a case study in consumerism yes civilization of life the sterilization of the human condition it's all disgusting like take character and just remove it. And that's what you get with Celebration. Oh my God. I'm like, so many people are going to stop being my friend because they thought

I was like super nice. And then they're going to listen to this and be like, Taylor's not very nice. Well, Taylor's honest in this situation. So yeah, to your point. So Celebration, like you said, celebration was founded by the Walt Disney Corporation. And like we're kind of talking about here. Like I, like you said with you, like I fucking hate Walt. Like I hate this. Disneyland and Disney World. The movies are great. The movies are fantastic. I'm into the movies, but there's something about this town and about, like, the Disney culture. It just, it just, like, it reminds me, like, an Irish Catholic family where, like, the dad's a constant drunk and the kids gay and the mom cries all the time, but they all pretend like everything's

fine and normal and nobody talks about it. Like, that's what Disney sounds like to me. I mean, I guarantee you there are no therapists in celebration. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got to figure out your mental health some other way there, unfortunately. But one thing I wrote here, which, like, is incredible. I dug this out.

Did you know this, Taylor? They put speakers in the trees to make bird sounds. Celebration? Yeah. Can you believe that shit? I've guessed like 15 times. but I feel like it's like, what? I feel like, what, what do you, what do you, are you like, ah?

Not like, put a fucking bird feeder outside and get some birds. Peanut butter on a pine cone, like you do when you're a kid, you know? It's not perfect enough. You need to have the exact right pitch. You have the exact right cadence. I'm like, so I know I told you when I was there. There was fake snow after when I went out of the restaurant. That was delicious.

I had paella. It was really good. But I feel like I'm surprised it's not in a dome. Yeah, yeah. I'm surprised it's not. a biosphere where it's sunny all the time and like blah blah blah it's 10 square miles can believe that god it's crazy so anyways um yeah like there's there's a part of the story which is obviously going to get an incredibly dark and terrible but it's also kind of hilarious because i just want

to imagine the typical resident of celebration and then pretending they're living in this disney universe and then tony comes along and does what he does there and it just completely just do you like i don't know it's not funny but it's also like this is the real world like i know you want to live in a disilland but there is also a real world here um first i'm so sorry can ask you one more question um so we are together in your new house in austin and i told you as soon as i got here that i already zillowed it um because i always was a little house if you give me your address and then i sent your address to my sisters and i could tell her where i was and she also zillot it immediately because that's what you do. You zillow it. And did you zillow their house in

celebration? How much did it cost? Do you know? So this is when I went on in that deep dive a few months ago. Because the house came up for sale, I think maybe six months ago, give or take. And it didn't sell, obviously. But the reason it came up for me, because I'm on every social media group that has to do with like serial killers and it popped up somebody saying does anybody know whose house this is and i looked it up and it was listed somewhere in the four to 500 range whereas every other house in that areas in the 800 900 range it's a large house it's a little a little maybe maybe a murder house the um the the one of the worst parts about this is that the poor woman who owned the house at least this house the tote family she lives

there now full time because she can't get rid of it. Oh, she didn't. Oh, no. Yeah. They didn't, they leased it from her. They leased it. Um, yeah, yeah. So, so long story short, so the family is living in celebration, uh, starting in May of 2019. That's when they signed their lease. So May of 2019, they moved the family down to Florida. Tony stays in Colchester, Connecticut to see his patients and the work. Then he goes back and forth on the weekends. I'm going to start throwing out some dates here. But like I said, just know that everything we are talking about is between November 2019 and January 2020.

It is that tight of a time frame. Okay. So on November 21st, agents raid Tony's office. They take all those files, computers, all that other stuff that further bolstered a case against him for insurance and Medicaid fraud. This blows my mind. This investigation was apparently super chill because he was kind of just like going about living his life and doing whatever he wants.

wanted. He still go back and forth to Florida and Connecticut. The agents would ask when he could meet. He let them know. They didn't seem to have an especially adversarial relationship at this point. To that end, he told investigators he'd be back in Connecticut on December 4th to meet with his attorney and then continue with this investigation. It was almost like they were putting things on hold to work around his schedule, which is incredible. So investors think, okay, cool, we got a few weeks to chill. Then obviously this upstanding man is going to come meet with us and you know like i hate going super into like the privilege thing but this one just smack me so hard a privilege the fact that this guy built the government out of tens or

potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars the government is like well have a great holiday we'll see you know when whenever it's good for you when are you free sir yeah so weird um so the next day is the last day anybody sees tony that's number 22nd so that's thanksgiving and he is with his sister no clue if the rest of the family is there if they're still in Florida. All we know is that Tony was for sure there. The sister hears from the family periodically, and it was normal interactions with them until around December 23rd, 24th. That's when the all communication stopped in a way that for her sounded unusual to the kind of relationship she had with them. On the 29th, she gets vibes. She calls the cops to do a welfare check.

the family also owned another condo about an hour away from this rental house in celebration again super over extended she asked some police to go check there and to check the house of celebration for the welfare check Tony and one of his earlier communications to her had told her that the entire family was super sick that's why nobody was talking to her basically um so police went to check and again they're super chill they knocked them the door they didn't see anything suspect they're like nah it's all good we can't really do anything else for you here. That was the way they ended on the 29th of December. So that's like a week after Thanksgiving. She's like, we're not, I haven't heard from him. No, she stopped hearing from him December 23rd, 24th. It was a month after Thanksgiving.

Oh, December. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So on January 6th, people started hearing from them again. Tony made some vague claim to a family member that his phone had been stolen or lost at a Starbucks and then he'd been, he had just been returned. A neighbor to the, of a, a, a, a, a, a condo neighbor of there is texted Megan, letting her know that an eviction notice had been put on the condo. Megan replied, okay, thanks. By this point, there was eviction notice on everything. The Celebration House had an eviction notice and the condo an hour away from the house had an eviction notice on it. Given what was going on, obviously Tony just didn't.

He was in a different mental state. He was not paying bills at this point. On January 9th, the FBI is starting to get frantic by their investigation. This is the point in which they're like, this guy's not talking about anything. he's not coming back, we should probably start doing something. They call the police, the local police in Florida. And the same day, Chrissy also calls the local police. And this is what Chrissy says.

This is a quote, my sister-in-law had made a comment that basically, quote, the world is ending on December 28th and nobody has talked to them. Nobody has physically talked to my sister-in-law since the 26th of December. my brother stopped texting us as of Monday, January 6th. She's making this call on January 9th. So I'll tell you, this statement really threw a monkey wrench for me in this situation because I don't tell my family anything. I keep all the inner workings of my mind a complete secret because I just don't welcome

any questions about my life. So for me to say the world is ending on whatever date seems really fucking bizarre, you know, like maybe you have a different relationship, maybe you're more vocal about the things that you would express to your family. what do you think of that well okay i am definitely more vocal and express my feelings to my family but it's a weird ass thing to say who says that's so weird it's so weird it's so weird it's so weird i wouldn't say that to anyone like what what are you supposed to do with that as a receiver of that information be like cool i'm going to spend all my money now or i don't know or like

great have you talked to jesus like what what does that even mean i don't know what we so we We know that Megan said this to Chrissy, to Tony's sister, because it was on a phone call. It wasn't a text. It was a phone call. And so very peculiar, very, very odd situation. And again, I'm not sure what to make of it, but it does set up some plausible deniability for Tony later on. So that's a good thing for him, I guess. A day later, this is January 10th, the police go to both the condo and the house.

by nothing. On the 11th, they go back and again, find nothing. And then on the 12th, the poor owner of this house they're leasing calls it also asked for welfare check. This woman sounds like a sweet landlord, actually. Like, here's what she said. This is a direct quote. I own a property that I rent out and I have concerns for the family. On social media, I've just sort of seen that people have not seen or heard from this family in a long, long time. And I'm trying to sort of notice to evict them because they've not been paying rent. I'm concerned for the family and I'm concerned for my property. I just thought it was me they weren't communicating with because they owed me money. But in general, they've not been in contact with anybody. So she's freaking

out. Like what's going to happen to this like amazing house she has and shitty shit fuck celebration Florida? You know, like it's going to, are they destroying it or what? That's good. That's some good soothing of her. Yeah. Yeah. At this point, federal agents are basically like fuck this guy we got to go get him they called the local police for backup and by this point they had seen tony entering the rental house and not leave so on the 13th they go to the house this time the doors unlocked and they just let themselves in this is all for medicaid fraud right not even like the fact that his family is missing no terms of them this is just like money yeah and that's thing like i don't know how the fbi works obviously but i imagine you don't put

the financial crime people on murder investigations? Yeah, yeah. Look at my mind, I'm picturing like these guys going in with calculators and pocket protectors to put this guy for like an incredibly white-collar crime, which like just framed that in your mind as well of like who the personality types are that are walking into this house. And it's also that they're like, they didn't have like

a tremendous sense of urgency, you know, that they were like, okay, we'll give you the holidays. And now they're like, all right, it's super annoying. You haven't called us. But they're not like, this is a life or dead situation. there's like we need to finally do our jobs so come to yeah their investigation of the in the fraud is less than two months old i mean these things drag on for years like it's not like a crazy urgent situation yeah um but here taylor this is where the nightmare fuel really begins okay

do me a favor google tony tote again it's t o d t and do arrest after it so i want you see the most recent picture of him upon his arrest. Don't say anything yet. Okay. You saw it? I did. So apparently, pretty shortly before the events of what's going to happen, Tony was in decent shape.

So if you're listening and you're not looking at this picture, I'm going to go ahead and describe him, then Taylor, you can describe him as well. the day he is arrested he basically looks like Danny DeVito's penguin from Batman Returns like he is a again not fat shaming anyone

he does not look normal fat he looks like a blob of a human being is how I describe it and it becomes relevant that he looks like a blob of a human being shortly when I get into the murders so Taylor what do you think of his appearance he definitely doesn't look good

I mean not not even like his weight but he just looks like he looks like a broken, sad human. Like, he definitely looks like he's given up. I feel like that's what I get from, like, his face. Like, his face is, like, it's expressionless, you know? You know, and I mean, it's like doing you many favors he's wearing this, like, white jumpsuit. But, like, he just, he looks like, well, he looks real fucking guilty.

That's what he looks like. It looks real fucking bad. He looks like somebody. who has probably, like, been resuscitated after 17 heart attacks. Like, he is not in a good way. No. And he's not in a good way the day the police get there. Apparently, I'll get into what he took, but police open the door to this house.

Or the FBI and the police open the door to this house. They go inside and Tony comes hobbling down the stairs. Like, again, he's not in a good way. Like, he's not, like, just bouncing down the stairs. Like, what's going on, guys? No, like, he's just, like, half aware of what's going on. You know, I just keep you picturing all the lights off in his house for some reason. And then this guy coming down the stairs, just looking out of sorts with the body type that he had, it had to be surreal.

They already knew something was up because they later stated that the second they opened the door, the smell of decomposition hit them. And it only got worse the deeper they went into the house. They knew there was something going on here. This part, again, don't go into this guy's head. It is fucking terrifying. told the police that his kids were probably at a friend's house for a sleepover and that his wife was upstairs sleeping Taylor he yelled up to his wife no like police are here come on down again it just it gets worse it gets so much worse so I feel like yeah I feel like he's when you

say the lights were off I feel like the lights were like always off yeah I feel like he hasn't like he looks like someone who hasn't been in the light artificial or not in a very long time. Yeah. Yeah. Whenever, I didn't put this in this outline, but when I originally was looking up this case, apparently what he was doing when the police had showed up was that he had been sitting on the front patio of the celebration house, just like blankly staring into the distance. And then they say that when he got up to go in the house, his body movements were abnormal.

Like he was not moving his body in a way that made sense to probably just to stand up and walk inside the house. So, like, again, there's a lot going on in this guy's head in his body. He kind of looks like Vincent Dinoffrio when he's full of aliens in black. Yes. That's what he looks like. That's so good. Yeah, you know that. Yeah, that's why I think it too. And like, I can also picture his fucking neighbor across the street mowing his lawn and being like, do-to-do, I live in celebration. What a, what a weird, community meeting that must have been after this happened. Right. And way went up. Yeah. So police go upstairs.

And they find what you would expect, given the nature of stories that I tell, they find incredibly badly decomposed bodies. Ew. Except Zoe, the four-year-old little girl. They can't find her at first. Megan was in bed with the covers pulled over her. This is so bad. They eventually, after some investigation, realized that the puddle that was at Megan's

feet was Zoe. No. For whatever reason, she decomposed the quickest or whatever. They said that this girl was there. Like, it was just like an amorphous blob at the foot of her mom's bed.

No. How old is she? Four. Oh, my God. That's like big. It's not like a tiny baby. Yeah. What, um, how long were they dead? Oh, we're going to get to that. Yeah, we're going to get to that. Going back to how Tony looks now and, like, his abnormal fat distribution and weight,

what he did to Zoe is so fucking haunting to me. Like, again, this is the stuff that, like, you just don't want to go super deep into it. He killed her by laying on her. No. Can you fucking believe that? No. Oh, my God. You can give your kids away.

I just want to say that again. You can just leave him at, like, the store. Take him into the fire station, please. So. Oh, my God. Poor baby. As far as the rest of the family, he at the very least stabbed the two boys and Megan.

But an autopsy also revealed a toxic level of Benadryl in their system. No. Which, like, I didn't, I'd actually know you could OD on Benadryl, but I guess you can OD on anything. Of course you can. Yeah, totally. Well, there you go.

Well, hopefully there was asleep. Oh, that's terrible. Except for, at the very least stuff for Zoe. And no, we know that that wasn't the case because one of the boys, Tony later stated that he was really, really nervous about because when he started stabbing him, he was like, that's the older boy. He might actually be able to overpower me and run out of the house or escape or something. he actually like so they were conscious enough to where he thought that was a legitimate risk

yeah we know all this because he actually confessed the police three times three separate instances he confessed the police ultimately they deemed this inadmissible but whatever we're not a legal procedure show so he confessed to laying on his little girl until she stopped breathing that's what happened as far as i'm concerned he also killed the dog breezy not sure why that was necessary but i guess you know he was on a roll um police think the murders happen around christmas taylor do you remember when i said they were found january something january thirteenth so think about that picture this guy basically the penguin rambling around the house for three weeks oh my god with four corpses plus his dead dog eating popeye's

chicken and just sitting there like and people are like knocking on the door right yeah people are asking where they've done like at this point three or four welfare checks on them as well oh my god this is another another point from our last episode i feel like you should look in your neighbor's windows guys please don't do that i'm just going to say like maybe you need to sometimes like just like take a peek and if things look like weird then call the police like i don't A little curious. Yeah, be like a smidge curious. Like if things seem weird, just like, I don't know, pop in.

Maybe, like, bring some cookies. So you can later be like, oh, I was bringing your cookies, you know, but like, not make it weird. But like, I feel like we should, you should look in your neighbor's windows. Taylor, like, this is the part of this story that I think I, like, dwell on the most, was you're in this house with your dead family rotting above you for weeks. No. it's so crazy to me to the point where one of the kids is a puddle of a puddle of sine you like it's absolutely unbelievable oh my god it's awful um so tony's side

of the story uh changes after he confessed um it seemed at first you know he did the confessing then later on he said that his wife did it then later said that it was some part of some plan he and his wife had to stave off the apocalypse it's worth noting that nothing i read mentioned religion or spirituality at all with these folks all we have is to what Tony says now. And what Megan told Chrissy about the world ending on December 28th. Which is interesting, given when investigators think they died. Wait, did he kill them on December 28th?

They don't know because the bodies were so decomposed. They just assume it was in this window of time around Christmas time. Oh, my God. Yeah. So according to Tony, Megan had baked a pie that had a shitload of Benadryl in it and apparently fed it to the kids. Then they took a bunch of Benadryl. then she took a bunch of Benadryl herself

and then also, he says she stabbed herself in the abdomen, given her previous statement, yeah, I thought that too, but given the previous statement about how the world is going to end, there's part of this story that I'm like, could this have been a thing? It's,

there's more evidence around Tony having done all of this than there is about Megan. All we have about Megan is that she was in constant pain because of Lyme disease, and she did make this statement that is verified that the, world is going to end on the 28th. That's all we really know. So like, I don't know, this reminds me of like, it would be a lot if he was like secretly convincing her that the world's going

to end. She needed to kill her children. I feel like other people would know that she was having that experience. And nobody said anything. Nobody, they were like Megan's normal. Like, to the point where the, the red flag of all this to Chrissy, Tony's sister, was I talk to these people all the time. Like, we have a great relationship. And now I just don't hear from them at all. So I don't know. I'm leaving, it's not enough for me to say Megan did this, but it's just another weird component of this.

Yeah. No, I don't make sure. I don't think he didn't it. Yeah. When you think about like the axe dropping of the fraud investigation with the evictions, and also the fact that at this point, it goes probably without saying, but he'd actually exhausted every financial resource he had at that time. you had nothing left like there was nothing left like it was over like it was all done um and then

yeah ultimately what ended up happening was his trial lasted for only six days he was hit with four life sentences plus one year for killing the dog greasy he obviously appealed and obviously that's not going anywhere um there is a there's a random fact here that i didn't actually put into the storyline because i don't know where to place it So in the 1980s, Tony's parents were married, they lived together, like they wanted a divorce couple or anything. The dad's name is Robert. And apparently Robert hired what kind of sounds like probably like a slightly mentally disabled person, paid him $800 to kill his wife. Oh, no.

Tony's mom. Did he do? Yeah. So the guy shot her in the face in the kitchen of their home directly in. front of a four-year-old Tony. Well, I don't think that's random. I think of that fucks me up for life. But like, oh, by the way, she lived.

I don't know how she lived. And apparently, apparently she like really loved Robert because she was like on his side for the trial, which is incredible. He ended up ultimately going to jail for five years. And Tony and him essentially had no relationship after that until now, until this happened with Tony and now him and Robert are now back pen-palling each other and having conversations.

Because they're wife killers. Son, you fell so close to the tree. I'm just so jealous that you succeeded in killing your wife. I don't. It's not irrelevant. I think that's really a big fucking deal. But is it relevant in the sense that now there's a common stripe running through

this family? Yes. Yeah. That is absolutely. unbelievable fucking trauma for a child like can you you that ruins your life clearly

I think that's a I think we can direct thread that what happened naked red yarn and direct thread that to him killing his family because if you see that I mean

fuck Tony Tony um draw that comparison himself as well of this did something to me I don't know But it's just like, I have such a hard time excusing, like finding reasons to excuse behavior like this.

No, I mean, don't kill your family. That's number one. That's not an excuse, but I feel like it definitely contributed. And like I also feel like he never went to a therapist. Yeah, yeah. And he never talked about his problems. He never told his wife what he was. I'm totally editorializing this and making an assumption.

I would assume that if he didn't think that he was in a position where he had to commit all this fraud to the same lifestyle that he and the kids that Megan had become accustomed to, he probably wouldn't have done this. I think that this was a man at the incomplete end of his rope. He given up on life. I mean, that's the part of it, again, the picture that you see of him, that is a man who gave up on all of life, all of it. Well, I mean, this is exactly what a feeling annihilator does. When you see a family annihilator, I think John List, and it's exactly what you. he did is he was like there's too much debt i don't know what to do i have to kill my family

i'm in too deep you know like i can't take this family out of this nice house i have to kill them yeah yeah it's it feels like that is a common thread that runs through all this but um yeah that is uh so the reason the reason i picked my tie is because if you don't know this you can only drink in one place in Disneyland and it's Club 33 and Club 33 has this like old-timey vibe to it and you have to be like invited or something to go there again this is so fucking stupid like it's like another reason not to go I'm just going to add that to my unbelievable list of reason not to fucking go

yeah you have to be sober while all these kids are screaming and running around it sounds like lines just in lines and it's stupid and you also paid thousands of dollars to do this. I feel like we did this last week, although I have the turpins going there. But, like, also, it's been really rainy in California, and I saw pictures

of people going to get to Disneyland in the rain. Oh. Taylor, if we ever are able to get, like, advertisers and Disney or Disney Cruise line decides to advertise on us, we're going to take this episode down. Yeah, no, I'm 100% going if they're paying for it.

I did go one time because I had a friends who worked there and they paid for it like it was free yeah that's i mean that's worth that and only that but but this club 33 all they have are old-timey drinks they don't do anything modern and so it's like sanzaracts and mites and stuff like that i love it there yeah the vibe inside is very yeah it's very you taylor it's very like i love a speakeasy flapper retro yeah i like i want to open a closet door and be in a bar yes 100% yes but behind a bookcase oh my god i would die that's so fun oh yeah So that's, that's why the, we're doing my ties today. But that's my story.

It's, um, it is really troubling. It's so sad. It's so sad that people like, it's, I mean, I feel terrible for the kids and for the wife. And I think all of that, like, her doing it stuff is, um, bullshit. I think he just wants to like, you know, we get one less life sentence or whatever, but like that's absolute bullshit. There's no way that she did that. I mean, I feel like he was.

maybe I'm sure as she was saying shit hit the fan that things are not great in their relationship you know yeah she's like oh hey hon the FBI is at the door for you that's beginning of something bad I don't even think she it didn't even go that far I think that was like the barrier that he created with them living in celebration

while he's doing all this in Connecticut oh right yeah maybe that's why they moved to celebrate maybe that's why they even moved to Florida was because he was like I have to create a physical barrier between what a cluster well that's terrible thanks for sharing uh next week i will be sharing an incredibly happy story will you really no oh because it's like really um because next and next week mine is the love story and i'm just so sorry that it's not going to be funny but i just

can't i have already cried about it so um it's a love story that didn't work out so i just can't talk about it. But also don't stop recording because I feel like we don't have any banter at the end of our show. We need to add banter in. I will keep recording. We need like a sign off and something funny to say when we leave. So I feel like, I don't know, like look in your neighbor's windows and do you want to do it? No, I need, we need maybe to think about it more, but I just don't want to like abruptly end it. I don't want to sit here in silence, but we're going to work on an ending. This is episode three, but we're not just going to cut it off anymore. We're going to add more banter.

We're going to be funnier. These are my promises to the, to the worlds. I feel like my stories aren't funny, though. Well, you don't want to pick comedy as like our number one thing. So I feel like it means you to adjust that. That's a good point. But yeah, no, I'm looking forward to next week to learn more about this love story. and I'm going to bring you another horrible, horrible story

that will hopefully curl your toes and make you envision horrible things happening to people that probably don't deserve it. Great. Yeah, yeah, more red flags, more red flags, more relationships that we're doomed to fail. It's all coming up. Oh, wait, wait, I have one more thing to say while we're still recording.

So, far as one of my best friends, Nicole, she was like, she texted me and she was like, I have to tell you something. And I was like, okay, she was like, so when I looked at your stuff for doomed to fail and I saw a DTF, I thought about something else. I didn't think doomed to fail when I saw that acronym. And I was like, I know, Nicole, that's the joke. She was like, okay, good, just making sure. It was intentional. It was intentional.

I was like, thanks for having my back and she was like, of course. That was absolutely intentional. I will also say that Taylor is the one who asked for the DTF logo. Yeah. So it was all you're doing. So. well let's we'll go ahead and sign off thanks everyone for listening and we'll be back next week see you next week thanks price hi all right everyone that was episode three part two it's getting confusing

to do all these parts but i really am excited that we're able to re-release them for you in these smaller bites and gives you a chance to kind of revisit some of our past episodes. I think our first, like, 26 or so episodes, we did the double stories. So we'll have a whole year of re-releases before we have to figure out what are their bonus content you might want. We did do that one interview with Marcos Antonio Hernandez, who wrote where they burn books. They also burn people. So if you haven't listened to that as a bonus, please do. And then also let us know if you want something else as a bonus. We're going to do one later this year where Fars and I tell you a little bit about ourselves. Like, who are we? Why are we doing this? How do we know

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