Doomed to Fail - Ep 32: Black Widow Chronicles: The Dark Saga of Betty Lou Beets

Episode Date: July 19, 2023

Next up, we discuss the Black Widow of Texas, another woman on Death Row, Betty Lou Beets. Betty Lou didn’t have much of a chance, and she didn’t get a last meal - so we used #AI to give her one.��Betty Lou was married 6 times to 5 different dudes, we’d like to remind you that it’s OK to date people, and you do not have to get married. And, of course don’t kill anyone.  Photos via Wikipedia // #midjourney Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpodEmail: [e-mail] Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In the matter of the people of the state of California, first is Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A. 097. And so, my fellow Americans. Ask not. Okay. And we're back to the magic of editing. Four days have passed since me and Taylor cut off the last podcast. Mm-hmm. Welcome to Do the Fail, the podcast where intermittently we will do a historic and or true crime story for you that is full of red flags and release at once every, no, wait. once a week three days no twice a week let's do twice a week it's twice a week one days and wednesday easy easy so we just recorded taylor's podcast on that y'all would know because i'm going to edit this so incredibly well that you will never know that this is the same conversation just continue up over a different day it's a similar conversation because you should stop talking

this is the marketing thing that we never learn just stop undermining ourselves i'm pulling a taylor that's what i'm doing here you are okay so you're drinking a dieco I am. Okay. But I had, pretend I just had that Moulson, that Canadian Moulson. I never had a Moulson. I don't think I won't either. I was going to say it.

I might try. I don't know. I don't know if I need to. There's so many good microbreweries now. I know. So my story, okay, I'm going to dive right into it. So in the interest of bringing you obscure stories, I'm going with one of the most obscure stories I've ever come across. It has to, once again, with the time,

death penalty and with women. I think the women who are put to death by the state are usually pretty famous because it's such a rare occurrence. And I pointed that out the episode we do with Tiffany Cole, I figure which episode number that was. But Taylor, I'm going to ask you to give me a guess. And I'm not about women. I'm talking about just generally speaking. Guess which state per capita has the most executions in the country? Texas. I wrote here in the outline, I wrote here in the outline, literally I'm quoting the outline I quote quote I knew you would say Texas so I wrote it in my outline and nope you're wrong end quote I totally knew it wow amazing so the actual the answer is

actually Oklahoma so her 100,000 people Oklahoma executes 2.83 so if you're if you're like If you're in a football stadium in Oklahoma, one and a half of the people in that stadium with you are going to be executed by the state, roughly. Texas, by comparison, executes only 1.97, or about two people per 100,000, so per capita. But if you look at totals since the death row was instituted and re-instituted and deemed constitutional since 19, which is like 1976 until 2020, Texas has actually executed 570 people. which makes it so much higher than the next highest state. The next high state in total, not per capita, is Virginia with 113 during that same time period.

So 113, 570. So Texas is like, I think they did math on this where once every four week, Texas execute somebody, which is like rare for every other state to do. Wow. In total, Texas has executed six women, and I bet most people are familiar with the most famous as one of those women. Do you know who I'm talking about here? Ellie Warnowse? No, that's Florida.

Oh, that I have no idea. Carla Faye Tucker. I don't realize it. I might know that this. I'll get into it. The story of her crime was super compelling because she did it with an axe, which is like the most metal way to kill somebody ever. And she also like there was a sexual component to it, which I'm not going to go into. I think it's all bullshit, but whatever doesn't matter. But like her story was interesting. Also, she was kind of pretty.

Some people paid attention to it, right? That was kind of the dynamic of it. And she also, in my opinion, just had the, she had the name, right? Like Henry Lee Lucas, John, Wilkes, James Earl, Ray, Carla, Faye, Tucker, like, there's a sacado to it. It's got to be three names. There's like a cicado tone to the name that has to hit right. And then people just remember you, I think. Well, I think it's, I think we say their middle names so that, like, we can distinguish

them from other people. Because, like, there's a bunch of Carla Tucker's out there that didn't do anything. You know, famous evangelist in Carla Tucker? I don't know. I'll get up. But I think that's why we add the middle name to these, like, infamous people. Maybe. Maybe that. Although we don't do it for Dahmer. Dommer had a middle name, didn't he? Did he? Let's see. Jeffrey Dahmer. I'm sure this is also in here, I think. Yeah, Lionel. Jeffrey Lionel, Dommer. But Jeffrey Lionel, Dommer, you're right. It does not roll off the tongue.

Yeah, exactly. That's my point. It doesn't hit right. The note has to hit right. anyways i'm belaboring the point i don't have a middle name so i can never be a famous killer i remember that about you because we play that dumb game at work where you had to say a real name if you didn't have a middle name you had to say watermelon so you had to say your name as far as watermelon's oak andge do you remember that i can't i don't know which is true either i have the worst memory of anybody i've ever met my entire life or you have the best memory of anybody except maybe j godfrey oh my god or both are true oh my god i think maybe both Both.

But I have a weird memory. Anyway. So going back to my story, the first time I'm covering today, arguably has one of the best serial killer names ever. Betty Lou Beetz. Ooh, that is a good name. I wrote down, she sounds like the girlfriend of a mobster in like the 1930s. She's also a singer of the Tropicana Club.

You know? I just kept picturing of Cameron Diaz and the mask, which is like the worst movie ever. But like that's how her name rolls off the tongue. Weird opinion to have. Why? I watched it recently and it's great. Oh, I thought you meant like it was, okay. I thought you were this in the Cameron Diaz aspect of it,

not the type of it's a terrible movie. Maybe it's not. I haven't seen them many, many years, so maybe it holds up. It does hold up. I have a good memory. And also, how cute is Cameron Diaz in it? Oh my God, you're so cute. I know. That was the awakening of many young, young boys. It wasn't true.

So this woman, Betty, was a series, of walking red flags on a road. Betty lasted 62 years on this earth from when she was born in 1937 to when she was put down by the state in the year 2020. So this isn't that ancient history. She actually was executed two years after Carla Faye Tucker was executed and she still got no media attention. Nobody cared. Nobody cared. Meanwhile, Carla Faye Tucker was there. She was converted to evangelism and she was on TV constantly on national media like george leby bush was the governor at that time and so he like but also is because like he was running for president right so he knew he was going to run for

president and he was like i can't look soft on crime on a republican ballot and so yeah i have to kill much woman basically so weird that we let the governor make that decision like what is that i mean it's not really the governor made i mean look like it sort of that's true but it goes through so many different like the governor can like can like do this day of execution at like the last minute, right? Because that, I don't know, maybe that's true. Yeah, they can. They can. So like, but like by that point, it's already been touched by several state appellate courts, several federal appellate courts, the state Supreme Court, the actual Supreme Court, it has gone through probably like 150 different decision makers before it hits

the governor, at which point, like they're the ones who are signed the death warrant. They have the ability to not sign the death warrant. Oh, they sign the death warrant. Yeah, exactly. Okay, okay, okay. That makes sense. I mean, it doesn't make sense, but that makes sense. Yeah. Look, with, who was it, Leslie Van Houghton, the Charlie Manson person who just got released, like, Jenna Newsom could have stopped that if you wanted to. He didn't, but he could have stopped that. But like, that's another example. Like, I didn't know that governors had that level of control where they could stop a, like, what is it called, parole? Yeah, that's interesting. We had a good conversation about it on our, on our Instagram with a couple people. I'm torn, but I also feel like it's been a really long time, but also, like, I don't know,

those crimes are so vivid in our memories. I know. I don't know how I feel about it. For the sake of true crime, I'm glad she's out, but in terms of, like, actual justice being served, but I don't think that was a good idea. Yeah. That's my take on it. Going back to Betty.

So Betty's upbringing wasn't the greatest. She was born into an impoverished household with an abusive dad and a seemingly mentally ill mom. Betty became deaf as a child because of measles, which apparently, I looked this up, happens to one in 1,000 kids. So one of the 1,000 kids who get measles end up being deaf, which is nuts. I did not know that was the thing. We don't have measles anymore, so that's good. As long as you get kids vaccinated, they shouldn't. Yeah, but we, yeah, okay, so we stopped to get vaccinated for it, right? Yeah. Okay. You get the MMR, you get the measles, mumps, Rebecca. I think when you're a baby, you get it. Like, right, your first day. That's one of the ones you

get. Well, I guess in this, what year was she born? 1932? Yeah, I guess back then I didn't have the vaccine. Yeah. So she also reported that she was sexually abused by her father as in Ms. 5. By age 12, her mom had checked herself into a mental institution, which like meant that she would have to take care of her siblings. So she had to be like an adult by like 12 basically. My general read of this situation is I think that if women just weren't happy with their lives and their husbands just beating them and abusing them constantly people just thought they were crazy and they would just have to go into like a mental institution that was my take on this like i think you're totally right i think that was like when you said that i was like

that seems easier to do than it is now yeah yeah she just put oh she like you know gets upset during her period she's depressed put her away get her a straight jacket yeah yeah get her a little Exactly, exactly. So this situation obviously didn't help with a child who's already traumatized from sexual abuse, physical abuse, alcoholic father, and all that stuff. The connection between Betty's adult childhood life and our adult life is super opaque. Again, back then, people didn't really seem to care about like the development of kids or what was going on with them. And so that is going to be reflected in this merger of her childhood and her adult life. life. So I'm going to cut off the childhood section here and go into her marriages because they started when she was 15 and there was a lot of them. So in total, there were five husbands, six

marriages. Okay. Husband number one was Robert Franklin Branson. This was the keeper. This was the one, the first husband, they met when she was 15. They stayed married for 17 years. How old was he? I don't know how old he was. I know that he was a worker in a zipper factory. That's all I know. So I can't, I don't know more detail than that. Husband number two is a guy named Billy York Lane. They were married for less than a year.

Husband number two, marriage number three, was again Billy York Lane. They remarried two years after their divorce. And the second time they got remarried, it lasted for less than a year again. Yeah. Husband number three, marriage number four, is Ronnie Threckhold. This one lasted about a year. Husband number four, marriage number five is Doyle Wayne Barker. This one lasted almost a year.

Then husband number five, marriage number six was Jimmy Don Beetz. This one lasted a year. Obviously, Beetz is the name that she took for herself. That has so much paperwork. It is exhausting to change your name. And I just don't understand you can date people. I know I've talked about this floor. Which is fucking exhausting.

And you don't have to get married every year. So I'm going to go into this. Part of her story is like kind of sympathetic. But I don't know how much... Maybe I'm over indexing on the sympathy, but I'll get into this a little bit. It kind of explains the decision-making process. So like I said, Betty would marry Robert, husband number one, at 15 years old, after she graduated ninth grade and that's all we know about them robert wasn't really a catch

he was a worked as a zipper factory town and that's basically it the marriage ended because robert left her for another woman uh the two of them had six kids together during their marriage so they're active apparently this was probably like we don't know for sure because stuff had him a long time ago record keeping sucked it was between multiple different states like i didn't say this but we're bouncing between north carolina virginia to exist different parts of text. There's not a lot of end-to-end consistency in terms of the story. And so part of it's just being kind of pieced together. But apparently the general thesis on this is that this was kind of a triggering event for Betty. There was also a thing that kind of pushed her

into a habit of substance abuse. Specifically, it was. Yeah, yeah. Because I mean, they were the other 17 years, had six kids. Like, everything was growing gravy. And then she was literally a child. Exactly. Exactly. I wrote here. Betty wasn't really like a nice woman, but also she was one that was like really abused a lot and maybe was pushed to her limits. So like it's kind of like a, I think both of those things can also be true at the same time. It was noted that during her marriage to Billy, he would drink Billy as the second, sorry, the second husband. So during her time to the second husband, second and third husband, right. During her marriage to the second and third husband, Billy, he would drink

a lot and would beat her regularly to the point where it's documented that he broke her nose at one point. Shortly after their first wedding, she would shoot Billy twice and claim self-defense. He lived. He married her again? I'm getting to that. The only issue with her self-defense claim is that she shot him in the back. She shot him twice in the back. And from a self-defense perspective like unless he was like i'm going to turn around grab this baseball bat and then turn around and beat you to death that's that self-defense the guy's walking away from you betty was acquitted of this shooting because billy refused to testify against her and basically said that he was exactly as big of abusive piece of shit that betty claimed that he was right i mean he wasn't great he wasn't

right they remarried after she's acquitted after she shot him after she's acquitted they get remarried to Billy fizzled. She ended up marrying Ronnie. I don't know why it fizzled. Again, the details are hazy because the people are kind of just like what it's a whatever loose culture, I guess. She ran this guy, Ronnie. At a time, they all lived in Arkansas and apparently the physical abuse went both ways with one documented encounter being Betty trying to beat Ronnie with the tire iron, like chasing him around like a looney tune. Like it was one of those things where people actually took note of this and was like, that's weird. So you can tell that like her mental stability in terms of how to cope with things,

isn't high functioning. Let's just put that loosely. So her and her kids, while she's married to Ronnie, would eventually leave the situation and move to Dallas. And when Ronnie came down to try and rehabilitate the relationship, she tries to run him over with a car. He survived the encounter and then was like, fuck it, I'm done, I'm just going to move back to Arkansas.

I guess this is, this is a divorce. What's funny is at this point in Betty's story, this is the first time, the thing I'm going to articulate now, the first time that she's going to actually face shell time and it's absolutely ludicrous of how it happens so she again trying to do what she can right she was trying to work as a topless dancer in a strip club where she already worked as like a bartender or something and apparently this this would have been the 60s they didn't know exact day but 1960s i wonder if it was it was it jack ruby's club oh my god because he did on a strip joint

Dallas in the 60s right wow that that would be that'll be a wild tie-in yeah i'm sure he knew her boss either way you know yeah yeah exactly so you so she's trying to do she's trying to get this job and she has to do an audition during the audition she undresses completely which i guess in that time was illegal and she gets arrested for public lewdness so at this point she's shot one husband twice she's tried running over another husband so two attempted murders but she gets nude in a nude club and that was also in a 30-day prison stint talking about the puritans right yeah for real that's so dumb that makes no sense so we're fast forwarding a little bit to 1983 to august of 1983 she reported that her sixth marriage slash fifth husband that guy went missing that guy's name

was Doyle. Wait, was it Doyle? Okay, there's so many of, yeah, Doyle. So Doyle goes missing. Okay. She reports us to the authorities. The, nope, nope, I messed up. I skipped a marriage deliberately. That's what I did. So in August of 1983, she reports that her sixth marriage to husband number five, Ronnie, is that his name Ronnie? Wow. I'm looking at, I'm looking at, I'm looking at the the wikipedia it's robert billy ronnie doyle jimmy it's jimmy okay thank you so in august of nineteen eighty three she reported that her sixth marriage to husband number five jimmy that guy goes missing betty had a son with her first husband the kid's name was also robert branson that's name with her first husband so this was a junior and he ended up telling police that

his mom told him to leave the house on august 6 of 1983 which he did and when he came home he found his stepfather dead with two bullet holes in him he would later tell the police that his mom asked him to ditch help him ditch the body then took jimmy's fishing boat out in the middle of the lake and abandoned it to make it look like he fell overboard the police would end up spending weeks dragging the bottom of the lake looking for jimmy's body to no avail police would receive a tip that betty had killed jimmy and his body was somewhere at the house I actually like tried finding this information everywhere, like looking at court records and everything else. There's nothing more to this piece of information than it was just an anonymous tip.

We don't know who gave it or anything like that or how they knew. So the police execute a warrant and find not only Jimmy's body in a well on the property, but also the remains of husband number four, marriage number five, Doyle Wayne Barker. She had taken steps to conceal the body. The well had been covered with filled her, but I imagine that. that alone would probably look a little bit suspicious instead of just like maybe throwing the bodies in there putting some tarps over it so the police found the corpses basically but i wonder how many people are the bottom of wells so this so i wrote this down so this

wasn't a real well this was decorative so this is part of the premeditation well i had a hole but it was just as the whole was as um so it was built up right yeah so it was built up and then the hole was just where level ground was like putting in a box in the back backyard yeah exactly so like it turns out that betty had asked jimmy to build the well knowing full well that she intended on killing him and dubbing his body in there that's not funny sorry jimmy yeah you i don't know this guy but he he probably wasn't the greatest catch i don't know regarding doyle he was a roofer and the two were also in a physically abusive relationship in marriage or unusual they would divorce but still see each other after they got divorced it was after

the marriage ended that for some reason she ended up shooting him three times and killing him her daughter is the one who would testify to helping her dispose of dual's body but for reasons i couldn't ascertain she was not charged with dwells or sorry she was charged with duels murder but never went to trial for it so the cops like we know you did it but this will not be part of like the things that we're going to actually prosecute you for so she went to trial for the murder of jimmy the last husband it's a there's so many names it's like i'm confusing myself with a different number of men involved here so she goes to trial for killing jimmy the last husband one thing to note which explains how she got

the death penalty was abuse like her abuse at the hands of her husbands was never a factor her her defense attorney apparently really sucked and the spousal abuse stuff only came out after she was trying convicted and sentenced to death that guy by the way moved on to become a district attorney in Texas, he was prosecuting a capital offense murder case and told the defense attorney that they would have to pay him $300,000 personally to drop the death penalty from the capital case. So like, he ended up going to jail. He was a really, he apparently was like, he constantly smelled the booze too at the trial. So he was like constantly drunk. But I mean, again, it's like the 1980s.

So maybe everybody was like, that's fine, I guess. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's fine. but like the uh the oh my god what an asshole yeah that he's in jail yeah uh her so to my earlier point that like why she her debt why it resulted in a death penalty case the murder charge is actually called murder for remuneration i'm had a really hard time with that word but it essentially it's not renumerations it's remuner it's remuneration not remuneration not remuneration not remuneration not Yeah, there's an M at the start. It's not remuneration.

Like you would have seen it would be. Anyway, what does it mean? So what it means is that you killed somebody for a financial gain. So she killed these two guys because she wanted to collect a life insurance and pensions from her husbands. It wasn't like she was in immediate danger. It wasn't like she was actually, that was the day he was going to kill her. Like, it was none of that. It was because she just wanted a financial incentive off it.

her legal defense legit was that her kids murdered jimmy so she told she testified and told the court that her two kids try to kill this this husband of hers so she was like not yeah she was not a good she's not a good person but oh my god i just wanted to say i'm looking at her i'm reading something about it because i'm like um i was looking for one of the things you were saying oh looking for the board remuneration whatever the well that he was in was in the front yard yeah it was that's hilarious i feel like that's that's i don't know i don't know it's like i've never heard of anybody being buried in the front yard i think that i wouldn't have filled the well up i probably would have dug the well deeper i put it on top of it again we need to stop giving ideas to these

colors but we need like a stop talking emoji in the zoom to be like seriously stop talking you're bearing ourselves deeper and deeper every time we go into our narrative here um i watched a youtube video of a doctor and counselor who specializes in mental health his channel which i highly recommend is called dr todd grand or grand a it's grand with a knee and it is not exciting like he does not sit there's no flash cuts or anything it's just a man sitting quietly behind a desk in talking facts about the case and his analysis of what he thinks happened. But it's really good because he's very like deliberate in his analysis. And he analyzed Betty in her story and mentioned that by all accounts,

it was clear that her intelligence was lower than average. Like she was not totally there mentally. The fact that she was, you're sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm sure maybe I'm using this. Do you think that that's like nature or nurture, you know? like is she like that because she never got much of an education or is she like that because she wasn't very smart like can you can you educate yourself out of that i think up to a point i think up to a point because think about like you know like she she seemingly chose to drop out of

school and get married to that guy when she was in ninth grade yeah i mean choose i mean i don't know if that's i know i know but it's like parents are abusive i know i know yeah yeah it's tough It's tough to say. I don't know. But either way, by this time, she hasn't done much reading. No, definitely not that. And this guy, Dr. Todd, Randy, he also mentioned that the fact that she was deaf also created like, yeah, it also created this like barrier in society to her.

So she was alienated from society by virtue of being deaf. She was alienated from others because her intelligence was like. intelligence was lacking anyways so she couldn't really keep up conversations and out of the mix every man that came into her life in whatever capacity they came into her life abused her in some way yeah she so she had to work out how to survive in the world in her own way and when you have all those factors colliding in one person they might not have the ability to cope and adapt in a healthy way what he called it was maladaption so like dealing with stimulus Like, you know, if it's like when we talk about that Egyptian guy, where I'm like, there's a point in culture where you can't, you have to make a decision on like, I'm going to go with my programming or I'm not going to go with my programming.

Like, that's kind of what this is. It's like, yeah, like, are you, is it okay? It's obviously not okay to do what you did, but is it understandable probably, you know? Yeah. His point was that it's possible that anybody in her exact circumstances would have done what she did, basically. Yeah. So she would appeal her conviction in sentence at the state and federal level. She was supposed to be executed first on November 8th of 1989.

An appeal halted that execution a week before it was supposed to be carried out. And this was this blew my mind because I, the amount of times for execution was stopped, like just right before it's supposed to happen had to be like insane. Like what you feel like it's six, seven days. And okay, now, now it's stopped. So that one, though, 1899. execution date got suspended then they set another execution date for a little over a year after that on December 6th of 1990 three days before the day of that

execution a federal appeal put a halt to that one as well and then two days before she was supposed to be killed no wait sorry that's right so the appeal that's what happened so three days before the date of that execution there was an appeal that a federal court granted. That didn't get received by the, uh, the prison until two days before execution. So she didn't know she was not going to be executed until December 4th, for a December 6th execution date. Wow. She would follow appeal after appeal throughout the late 1980s until she exhausted basically every avenue of appeal. It went up to the state, uh, Supreme court, the federal Supreme court went up to at that time, it would have been

Rick Perry because by this point, Bush had started his campaign. So he was not actually governor at this point. So this would have been February 24th of 2000. What is Rick Perry doing these days? I forgot about him. I don't know. I don't know. Dancing with stars. Potentially. Oh, he's on the board of an oil pipeline company. That makes sense. Yeah, correct. Wait, I have a question. I feel like, why can't you just be like, I can't she didn't give a new trial because of her lawyer right well i that was part of the things that they appealed so the fact that you have incompetent counsel on its own isn't the thing that determines whether you get a new trial or not whether a competent counsel would have done anything differently

that could have resulted in a different series of circumstances that wouldn't have resulted in a guilty verdict so it's not just the fact that the guy was a piece of shit the fact that he was drunk. The fact that he got caught trying to sell an execution for $300,000 had been after she was executed anyways. That would not have been, that would not have gone into it. The fact that nobody brought up the fact that she was abused probably wouldn't have played that much of an effect because the charge wasn't just murder or like second degree murder. It was murder by remuneration. Okay. It was like, yeah. Oh, because the charge was to get his money, right? Exactly. Exactly. So.

So I would assume that that's part of the logic that played into like why that wouldn't have been enough to turn this over. So our day came on February 24th at 2000 by law in Texas, executions are held starting at 6 p.m. So shortly after 6pm is usually when people are brought into the death chamber in Huntsville and executed. Huntsville, I've driven through it many, many times. It is a very scary city. It's a normal city. a screaming ghosts full of screaming ghosts because I mean 570 people you can see the jail like is when

you drive on the interstate you can look over and you can see Huntsville sitting sitting right there there's McDonald's there there's like you know it's just small town bullshit right it's just all small small town bullshit but next to you is this like immense complex of like death and like destruction like it's crazy so they have a museum there so the museum there so the museum there is where the original old sparky is and a host of other items it's a prison museum it's one of the most popular prison museums in the country and it's in huntsville which i actually thought to myself i need to make it a point to go visit that at some point but it is a terrifying place that is if you didn't grow up near it probably isn't worth the trip but you know it had it has a special

place in texas history i think so she did not request any final meal and she made a final statement she was injected with the lethal injection, which is in Texas entirely, it's one substance. Usually it's a three substance cocktail that makes up the injection. In Texas, it's pentobarbitales is just basically an overdose of heroin, more or less. And yeah, that was kind of a, that was the end of her. And it sat because she could have actually had a really good final meal because Texas didn't stop providing custom final meals until 2011. Why didn't they do it again?

Because some guy, like, ordered a bunch of stuff. Yeah, he ordered like 17 lobsters, a dozen crabs, trim cocktails, filet mignon, and he didn't eat any of it. And they're like, we just spent like $3,000. We're not doing this again. I feel like there's a middle ground of that. Yeah, so other states actually did do the same thing. So other states also remove the, we can order whatever you want thing and put like a $20 or $30 cap on it. I forgot what state it was.

Texas was like, we're not doing this. Like, you didn't let your victim have a final meal. You don't get that luxury either, which kind of makes sense. Well, actually, so this reminds me of, speaking of Leslie Van Houghton, her getting out. I remember another woman, one of them, maybe, was it squeaky from? Is she dead? No, she had squeaky still around. Who's the one?

There's one that died. and when she died her family was like she died peacefully in her sleep and that pissed me off because i was like if anyone deserves to not die peacefully in their sleep it's a member of the fucking manson family you know well squeaky didn't do anything wrong squeaky was just like i mean sorry she tried to kill she went forward so she did something wrong but she was not a part of the murderers okay original mansum murders sweetie was so funny yeah she only went to jail for trying to kill gerald ford only is she out now there's no way she's out you can't try to kill a president and get out of jail can't oh my gosh she's been out

since 2009 oh god i'm laughing did you ever watch did you watch ever watch 30 crock no i never got into that there's a doctor it's played by um chris parnell and um um there's he's a doctor and it's pronounced it's spelled space man but he calls it spichimin so he's like his name is dr spichimmin and he is on squeaky from's uh wikipedia page it says in 30 rock dr leo spechimman says that he's dating squeaky from who he describes as difficult that's funny um well i'm reading this this thing in 2019 in a televised interview from said about manson quote I'm in love with Charlie. Yeah, I still am, end quote. Wow. You're shit together. Wow. That's funny. Okay. Anyways, that is Betty Lou Beetz. She's a sad woman. I don't know.

I don't think she deserved the death penalty. That doesn't seem, that doesn't seem right. Yeah, the rest of the ones that I read about, you know, okay, obviously she's not a good person. Sure, but she had, like, she was someone who was never going to win. you know she was gonna win yeah yeah yeah she was it's like when you hear them talking about last podcast talking about like henry leucous you know like he like was raised in a chicken coop with like a prostitute mother like being beaten to death like you're never gonna make a good person that way right yeah i mean like very i'm sure like very rarely someone can can pull themselves out of that but it's hard man like i don't know it's it is it is and i read the stories of the six other women who have been executed in Texas and hers was the story that

was the most like coin flip you know the other ones were obvious other ones were like luring or like being a prostitute and luring men into your card like shoot them in the head and steal their money like it was just like okay like sure your childhood could have been rough but like that's just like very obviously predatory behavior um so I don't know I don't know. No good, no good things. Yeah, yeah. Raise your kids right, people. Just raise your kids right.

Like, that is the only way for us to have a better society is make better, not make better kids, have, be better parents. So did you, this is terrible. Did you see that? Okay, you know, they're awful. You know who they're. I don't know what that is. So there are the women who are like trying to ban books. They're just like very, very, very, very right wing in like a very, very, very bad way.

They quoted Hitler in one of their newsletters, and it's a quote from Hitler that basically says if you control the children, you can control the future. Is that literally what I just said? It's very similar to what you just said. Oh, Healowlo, who owns the youth, gains the future from Hitler, which I think was like, I feel like you can get the same sentiment out if you quoted Whitney Houston and said,

I believe the children are the future. Whitney Houston, great. That's a yes. You were allowed to put that in a newsletter. You're not allowed to put a Hitler quote on your newsletter. Wait, I, okay, but you can use what I just said in the newsletter because I kind of said it in a better way than that. Definitely, anyone but Hitler. There you go.

We, as we learned, as we learned our lesson. So that's our story. That's our story of Betty Lou Beats. And you know what I started with? I started with that guy who, oh my God, in L.A., they caught him. He was like 85-year-old black guy who killed like a ton of people. Remember? Lonnie Franklin, that thing?

Something like that. I started going through the grim sleeper, yeah, the grim sleeper, yeah, yeah. I started going through his story, and I was like, just reading off the list of his victims would be like an hour, 20 minutes of the podcast. I was like, at one point I was like, why don't I talk about people who people don't talk about as much because their their victims weren't as important to society? And I was like, maybe it's not that. Maybe people also reached my inclusion was like, if you actually go through his list of victims, like who's going to, who's going to? You just drive your car into a telephone pole. You can't even listen to that long.

Still 93 women. That's just when she killed. There was also like hundreds and hundreds of rapes and burglaries. And like it's like, so I think that's why his case doesn't get much plays. Like it's just like, dude, there's nothing like charming about the story at all. It's just like an absolute psychopath. Yeah. Just like murder, murder, murder, murder, murder.

Yeah. Wow. Well, crazy. Next week, more charm stories. Yeah, we'll be more charming next week. And next week, people, just so you remember, is Oppenheimer and Barbie. So get your tickets. I'm excited.

I'm going to be, I'm going to New York. I'll be New York next weekend. And I will watch it with my husband and brother-in-law, and I'm very excited. That'll be awesome. They'll be great. Yeah, both look great and more excited. Sweet. Okay.

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