Doomed to Fail - Ep 35: The most doomed to fail relationship in history: Bonnie & Clyde

Episode Date: July 31, 2023

This week we start out with the most DTF relationship of all time - Bonnie & Clyde! These two bumbling thieves hosted an actual reign of terror over the American South for two years. It seems sexy and fun, but then you remember that 12 people died (well, 14 if you include Bonnie and Clyde, oh, and also Clyde’s brother - so 15). These two would be the most annoying prank couple on TikTok if they were alive today, they would potentially survive. It’s 50/50.Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpodEmail: [e-mail]:Go Down Together Pa: Guinn, Jeff: 9781471134029: Amazon.com: BooksEpisode 369: Bonnie and Clyde Part I - Once You Go Short — The Last Podcast Network  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In the matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A. 019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do. And as I always say, we need more banter. That's what the people want. Give them what the people want. Taylor, tell me what your week was like. Well, my week was super fun.

Last time we spoke, I was in New York, a little bit upset. state. We went to a water park. We went into the city to the natural history museum. We were super fun. And then we also went to the Roosevelt's, which was like just so fun. We went to Eleanor's cottage. We went to the big house at Hyde Park. We had to like take the tour, go in. The store was closed, which was devastating because I was like, I want to buy all these things. But it was wonderful. So beautiful up on the Hudson River and just so nice. So did all of that. Had a great time, but, man, traveling is just exhausting. So we flew from Newark to Las Vegas,

and it was like the bumpiest ride ever. And then we stayed in Vegas for the night, and then drove home yesterday. So it was, like, confusing. Because we stayed at the hotel for a little bit and went swimming and stuff. And then drove home yesterday, but it's like a four-hour drive,

and then we got home. And yeah, so it's, like, confusing. But I'm glad we have today, which is Sunday, to just, like, get our shit together before we have to go out of that. Man, traveling, I think, I mean, I don't know if it's gotten worse or if I've gone older. People have told me that I'm becoming more of a grump, the older I get. And so maybe that's a component of this, but I am over it.

I think I'm totally over. I was in D.C. So I'm just like so discombobulated. I've not been in my house in like eight, nine days. I left for Dallas last, last Friday. left Luna with my mom and dad, flew out to D.C. on Sunday. And then when I was going to come back, I was going to come back on, hold on. So I am supposed to come back from D.C. on Friday.

It was a one-week trip. And get to the airport, my flight keeps getting pushed back. Because the flight before me keeps getting pushed back. And all the flights before that got pushed back. And finally. What time were you supposed to leave? I was supposed to leave, like, six something. Because we left at 4.30 and I feel like they were like the last flight out.

Like I didn't realize that there were storms, but it was like we had to take a whole new route instead of going like south. We went north. And the flight attendants had to sit in their jump seats twice. It was so bumpy. Yeah. No. It was well finally it's like around eight or so, 830 that they finally put us on the plane. And we sit there and we sit there and we sit there and we sit there. And then 30 minutes past, 40 minutes past. This storm, you can see it's kicking up. And the pilot comes on and says, hey, we are not getting authorization to take off because of the weather and we've been working since 11 o'clock in the morning legally if we don't take off like soon we won't be able to take off at all because we can't legally work right right yeah and so we just wait another 10 15 minutes and they're

like yep we're we're calling it they scrap it so luckily i got one of like the first seats after first class or before first whatever you know what i mean um and i just sprinted because i was like i know we're all headed to customer support and so i sprinted there and i was maybe like only like the 15th person there i waited for like an hour and 20 minutes all these people all these people with international flights were like i have to connect from my from uh dfw to miami to peru to it was just insane i look behind me the line was at least 100 people long and i was like i don't i didn't get to my hotel till midnight hadn't eaten i was just like this is so bad anyways long story short is I got to Dallas finally and I literally just stepped in my house in Austin like 20 minutes

before we hopped on this. I'm over traveling and if yeah, I'm just completely over it. I know our friend asked us a very nice question about his wedding coming up in December and you're like, I don't care. I just want to be alone. No. Yeah, yeah. Jay texted me and Taylor was like, hey, would you like, I'll do whatever. I just want to have the ability to be completely isolated. that's fine. As long as I have my own bathroom, that's an unsweet, I'm good. Anyways. Anyway, we're glad we're both home safe.

We're both home safe. Let's go ahead and hop straight into it. I didn't do our intro. Welcome to Doom to Fail, the podcast where we discussed a historic or true crime relationship that was doomed to fail. I'm Taylor joined here by eight. Wow. And I'm Fars. Oh, I'm Fars.

Womp, Womp, Womp. That's great. My brain is shutting down. That was perfect. My brain is shutting down. Taylor, why don't you kick us off and tell us where you're drinking? No, I'm going to, I kick us off, right? Yeah, you go first.

You do the drink first. I'm going to tell you a story first. I just want LeCroy. I just want liquids. I want to hydrate. I want to just feel normal again, and that's it. I'm just having my little peachful lique here, and it's delicious. I love that.

That's right. I drank all my liquey, which is disappointing if you go to the store after this. But I'm drinking whiskey. Good for you. the mood of this story i have the exact same rock glass it's from amazon i bought them at my job a couple jobs ago to start whiskey fridays because i thought that would be fun and then covid hit and never happened but i gave everybody a glass so i plausibly also got my from amazon that seems likely i'm sure you did where else what do you go to a store

don't be ridiculous um all right you ready yes while you're talking i'm going to periodically walk over to this window so also as an aside because i was gone for 90 days my cowboy pool completely evaporated because it's 110 degrees here every day so i'm filling the damn thing up and i'm trying to make sure i don't overflow it so anyways yes i'm ready wow that's crazy It's 700 gallons gone in eight, nine days. Wow. Gross. Yeah. Yeah, not great. All right. So I'll get us started.

I can't remember if I told you that you could do this. And hopefully I didn't because I'm going to do Bonnie and Clyde. Are you doing Bonnie and Clyde this week? No. Good. Did I tell you you could do it? Yes. This is like a comedian coming up with a great joke, a great bit, and giving it to someone that came back and saying, can't have it i didn't think about it until like friday night and i was like i tell far as he could do

this but then i was like it's too late i'm too far into this so i think you know enough that we can just have a conversation about it anyway do you know what mitch headberg is and artie lang no okay there are two comedians or two stand-up comics and one time mitch headberg went up to arty because arty's a fat guy and he goes uh already i came with a really funny joke but i can't use it um i'll tell you what i'll give it to you but if i ever get fat enough to use it then you got to get back to be another okay what's the joke and he goes um you're here out of the fat guy who has never been swimming because it's never been 30 minutes past the last time he ate. And then he goes, well, that's a good one. I'm going to use it. And then somebody

told that joke to already at a dinner party. And then he comes up to Mitch Edberg and goes, somebody else told me that joke. He's like, yeah, I get really high. And I tell that joke to a lot of fat guys. A little bit about giving your jokes away to people. That's really funny. I love that. So you can have it. You can have it back. Thank you. I'm going to give that joke people as well, because that's very exciting. Very funny. Anyway, okay. So as you know, it was a lot of stuff out there about Bonnie and Clyde. There's like the movies, there's podcasts, there's books, there's just like everything you could possibly want to know about them. I read Go Down Together, which I've read before,

which is a book about their adventures and their spree. I listened to the last podcast some time in the last six months about this. And I also read a little bit of a book called Fugitive by Bonnie's mom and Clyde's sister, which was like written really cute and colloquially, you know, like about them. And they're like, they're like, we don't deny that these guys were bad guys, you know, but we, you know, we loved them. They were our family. So it's quite sweet. And if you read through, if you read, go down together or you listen to like the four, the four episodes of last podcast, you can get like a play by play of all the things that they did together. But let's focus on a few of the human things that I think.

think are really interesting and more of like the doomed to failness of their relationship. So I want to focus on before they met each other, the food they ate and the places that they slept, there's like six things. They're coming into family, the people they killed, their injuries and their deaths. That's still a lot. I just talk about these six things for two days, but here we are. Sweet. Let's get into it.

Cool. So my final analysis, which I'm sure, I don't know, I'm sure you agree with me, but let's tell me if you don't, is that they're just like real some kids who wanted to be famous. What do you think about that? Yeah. And they were born into circumstances that didn't allow for other means of becoming important to the world. Exactly.

And they wanted to be important. So this is the one thing that they could do. Did you ever, like if they were alive today, I think they would be, you know, doing like really stupid pranks on TikTok, you know? So do you remember in 2018 that that woman who shot her boyfriend. through a book. Yes, yes. They're like those guys. So that was Mona Lisa Perez and her boyfriend, Pedro Ruiz. She was 19 and she was pregnant with their second child when they decided to start a YouTube channel of pranks. And he, the video is of her being like, I don't want to do this. And he'd be like, it's going to be fine. Don't worry about it. And he holds an encyclopedia that says, shoot here as a target drawn on it up to his chest. And within arm's distance, she shoots him in the chest and he dies. She went to prison for 180 days. Because I think they used like a desert eagle or something, like a 50 caliber gun that was going to, it would have gone through like metal. I don't know what that means.

Yeah. Either way, I have no confidence that a book is going to stop a bullet. And I know nothing about guns. It probably stop at 22. A Bible could probably stop at 22. Really? Even though those thin pages, that close? Well, Taylor, when's the next time you're in Austin?

I do not want to do it. We'll record a podcast. That's stupid. I'm just going to say right away. That was dumb. So anyway, that guy died and other criminals in this time, so it was like a really fun criminal time. You know, there's your gang and pretty boy Floyd. They like knew about Bonnie and Clyde, but they were like their small time and they're stupid.

Yeah, that was actually the biggest takeaway I had from the last podcast series was that it was just like a sexy story. In terms of like actual being criminal mass fines, they were like absolute nobody's. Yeah, exactly. They were pretty pretty terrible at the actual being a criminal part. we'll talk a little bit about some of the things that they did but before they met they're both just like poor kids in Dallas in the Dallas area Clyde was born Clyde Chestnut Barrow on March 24th 1909 and that is a horse's name do you think? Chestnut is yeah the chestnut is definitely one pre-kness at one point exactly so he was dirt poor like in the dirt poor everyone was very very dirty he was the fifth of seven children which is too many children The dad was a farmer and not in like a prosperous way in like a barely made anything kind of way. And the mom was just trying to take care of her kids, which was really hard because there were so many of them.

In the book, Fugitive, his sister mentioned two times where he almost died as a child that I thought was interesting that I hadn't heard before. She said she's five years older than him. And she said that she was so excited to have a little brother that when he was like one, she squeezed him so hard. he stopped breathing and taylor there's actually oh my god the world comes full circle there was a horse that was alive from 1995 until 2015 who was raced by a jockey named oppenheimer and the name of the horse was chestnut everything is connected did you see Everything is connected. No, no. I'm waiting. Yeah, I'm going to drive to San Antonio because Antonio has the only big reel that you can watch on actual IMAX. I'm probably going to go

next weekend. I saw Barbie. I cried the whole time. I didn't see Appanheimer, but I didn't see Barbie and I cried the entire time. I hate all men. That is an offensive statement and that is kind of blanket and you have a son who's going to be a man one day. Except Juan and Miles and you most you hear that jay you didn't make the cut anyway so Clyde chestnut Barrow the horse is very poor his sister said one time she squeezed him so hard when he was a baby that he almost died and the mom had to go to a neighbor and get him revived

and then when he was four he almost drowned and they'd like shake him so like that I think it's interesting and weird that he had a couple like near-death experiences because like these kids were not well supervised you know doesn't sound like it you know um he was like farm smart but not like book smart like he only went through fifth grade to school um Clyde his family moved to Dallas in the 20s is like a hundred years ago in Dallas and they lived in the slums and like the cement city part of Dallas they lived under a wagon until the dad could get enough scrap to build a house so they like took a horse and a wagon to Dallas and lived under the

wagon with seven kids and two adults that just like blows my mind how poor people those these guys were. And some of his sisters and brothers were able to go into the city and become like hairdressers and get married and like get good jobs. His sister who rub the book, she was married to someone who's in an orchestra. So they were able to kind of like get out of it, be able to feel like relationships and little skills. But Clyde didn't have any skills besides kind of being a little bit of a crook. You know? And he had several long, long relationships before meeting Bonnie. And he's young, this entire story. He never gets old. But he had a girlfriend. named Eleanor and a girlfriend named Ann.

He lived with both of them at different points when he was like a teenager and he had one arm had a tattoo for Eleanor and the other arm had a tattoo for Anne. He never got a tattoo for Bonnie. Oh, poor Bonnie. So, but, so it started to do petty crimes, he just couldn't make enough money

to be out of the slums. There was also a really big car stealing time. So people always would like leave their keys in their cars. Cars were new, you know. I'm sure you've heard that before. And like, I don't know exactly the details of like starting up a model but I hear it's hard you have to like crank it yeah do the cranking and then you have to like press a bunch of pedals and like move things and so it's not easy to do yeah I think it's supposed to replicate what the current starter motor does you know when your battery's dead and you're you trying to shut the car it does that thing that's a starter motor trying to fire I think this I'm doing a crank motion right now that's supposed to replicate that yeah exactly got it's that's what they had to do like every time it's hard to car yeah Eventually, in, oh, but also, I just want to also mention that he's a really good driver.

He drives without his shoes on. So no shoes, bare feet, and he can, like, drive up to 100 miles an hour on these, like, dirt roads. Because most of the roads in America are dirt, you know, yeah, exactly. So eventually in 1930, Clyde gets sent to prison, and it goes to the Eastern Prison Farm, which is essentially a farm, and it's still a farm, and also a prison. Today, it's called something else that I did not write down, but it's still a farm. There are 4,000 cows, 52,000 chickens, 5,000 hogs, and 1,400 acres of crops. And guess how many people actually work there and get paid to work there? 4.

11. Okay. And the rest of it's just like prisons. Yeah, prisoners, exactly. But it's just like prisoners for like two cents a day working in this land. While Clyde was there, he was repeatedly raped by a fellow inmate named Big Ed Crowder, which was horrible. And it was horrible for Clyde who liked being in control, obviously. And he was like brutally raped by this man like every day.

And another inmate who was in jail for life, I had nothing to lose was like, if you kill him, Clyde, if you kill Big Ed, I'll take the blame. So you won't get any more time on your sentence. But I just don't want to kill anybody, but like you can do it. So Clyde waited for him in the show. shower and hit him over the head with a pipe and killed him. And then the other guy came in and stabbed it a bunch of times and said that he was the one who did it. Nice. Clyde was nice of him. Yeah, super nice. So Clyde was miserable there. He hated it. He started on the farm duty all the time. And do you remember how he got out of farm duty? But he did. Yeah, he cut his toe off, right?

Yeah, he cut his toes, two toes off, like a big toe and like the second toe. But I feel like I would go for the thank you toe where I talk. But he didn't, but he didn't even need to do that, right? exactly he didn't need to because six days later he got out yeah of his mom talking to the governor and talking to people so he really didn't have to do that but for the rest of his life he had a limp because he was missing two toes probably why wearing shoes was uncomfortable in the car you know yeah so Clyde probably met Bonnie right before he went to prison but they like started start to really be together after he gets out Bonnie Elizabeth Parker was born in 1910 in Rowena, Texas.

So she's two years younger than him. She was also poor, lived in this terrible neighborhood. She liked to write poems and imagine, like, that she could be a movie star. She was very dramatic, like, really wanted to be famous. Like, that was, like, her big thing. She liked to write poems. She also probably dabbled in sex work before she met Clyde and leaving a little bit after. That was something that girls did, you know, pretty often in that situation.

When she was 15, she married a man. named Roy Thornton. She had a tattoo of his name. So, which is, you know, funny. He was also a criminal. And any relation to Billy, Billy Bob? Nope. I don't think so. Maybe. Everything in life comes full circle. It's true, possibly. They, Bonnie and Roy never divorced, but they didn't see each other after 1929. They never saw each other again. He was killed in 1937 trying to escape from prison. So this is, I just wrote in all caps. She's just tripping over scumbags. Yeah, yeah.

You know. Hey, that's my joke. I know. That's your joke. I saw that too. But, you know, like none of these guys are going to take her out of this poor neighborhood, you know. Yeah, you date within the circle that is around you.

So like if the circle you're around is like other poor dirt farmers and crooks, then that's what you date. Yeah, exactly. So it's 1930 and here's what they're doing. They are blah, blah, blah. It does some robberies, robbing banks, getting a little bit of money, robbing grocery stores, stealing cars. And I want to talk about the food they ate and the places that they slept because I think it's fascinating. So eventually, like, they're on the run constantly. And they didn't eat very much. They never had that much money. So they would give money back to their families. They would buy nice clothes, but they didn't want to concentrate on food. And they were both very, very small, but they lost, like, a ton of weight while they were on the run because they just, like, didn't have time to eat everything. They, there was a story where Bonnie asks one of her accomplices to boil her one egg, which I think is funny because I feel like, kind of one egg.

I don't know. I don't get people that can't eat. Me, I mean, me either. Taylor, on the way home from Dallas just now, the reason I was, I swooped in 20 minutes like before this recording time was because I took like a 10 minute detour to go get a burrito from Chipotle and I was going to eat the burrito in the car while I was on the highway drawing back to my house. Like, I was that hungry.

Half the thing just ended up all of my clothes. But I was like, I'm hungry. So I thought of like not eating. You're gonna stop and eat. Yeah, exactly. Remember when we ate caseo in your car in the morning and got everywhere. Because I slammed on the brakes.

And neither you or the ex-wife was holding on to the case. So just, yeah, I remember that. Because it was just like in the middle of this right thing. Anyway, it was delicious. Home state. Yeah, delicious. So some things that I think are fun about, them like their food like they would eat like tin sausages and like cold food you know and they

couldn't have like a fire sometimes because that would have people you know pay attention to them so they wouldn't have a fire to cook anything so they get like cold sausages and they often wanted to eat but couldn't like sit in a restaurant because people were kind of always on the lookout for them so they would go to the restaurant and ask for food to go but that wasn't really a thing so they would get the restaurants to give them plates and silverware and they would take them and go eat in the woods and then bring it back wow which I think is funny and nice and when Bonnie died, she was holding a hamburger. And I think about that every time I ate a hamburger. That's exactly how I hope I die. In one way or another, I want to be holding a hamburger when I finally

die. So I think about that every time I have hamburger. So they never have a home. They're staying in motor courts, which is where you could like park your car and like camp or eventually it would turn into like roadside motels. This was like happening at this time in America, like right before the depression later they'll be like farmhouses and places that are abandoned that they'll stay at because of the depression starts to really kick in and people are being like foreclosed on and losing their homes eventually they could rent a room for like one night or they would stop by a farmhouse and be like hey we're driving by can we stay here tonight and they would like give them a few dollars which was like I think common until it wasn't common for most of humanity that you could just stop at someone's house

and be like can I stay over you know yeah that's what I was going to tell you that there's another one that's in Airbnb, I'll get there. So they're on the run, killing people, robbing things. I'll tell you about the people they killed. And one particular place where they stay is in Joplin, Missouri. And this is the Airbnb I'll tell you about. So it's 1933. And they have an accomplice named W.D. Jones. He's like a young man. He's even more of a teenager than they are. And also Clyde's brother Buck and his second wife, Blanche, joined the gang. So Buck had just gotten out of prison. He had turned himself in, to get a lighter sentence and got pardoned. So he was like, he had the opportunity to kind of go straight, but he, um, did not. He went straight for like, he's a criminal. Yeah. In Blanche, she don't want to be there, but she wanted to be buck, so she stayed. So the whole time, they're going back to Dallas to see their family no matter where they are.

They're like in like in Missouri, like all over the south, like driving around, but they go back to Dallas like at least once a month to see their families. Clyde's dad owns a gas station. So they throw a Coke bottle with a note in it in the front yard and be like, meet us at this park at midnight. and that's where the family would know went to meet them and say hi. When they were doing well, they were able to get their family money. They would give Clyde's brothers money to go buy them nice clothes because they always liked having nice

clothes. They really wanted to look nice even though they probably smelled terrible. Yeah. Sleeping their car all the time. And eventually Bonnie's mom and sister joined them. They're not thrilled. They want Bonnie to get out of this, but they want to be able to see her. So they spent a lot of time with the barrows just

to be able to see Bonnie. And so they keep going back home. now they're in Joplin so this is where kind of the cross of like their families and where they live they're in Joplin, Missouri and Prohibition just ended so the drinking beers because beers are the thing that's legal even though they drink bootleg whiskey all the time. Clyde would never get super drunk because he's always a getaway driver, but Bonnie would drink a fair amount for someone so small. And they're in this building. You can rent an Airbnb and it's also on the National Register of Historic Places that we talked about last week. So it can never be destroyed. It's an apartment above a

garage. So it's a standalone building of the garage and an apartment at the top. They rented it for a while. They were there for like almost two weeks with the group and they were doing some shady things like Blanche had said that the apartment was for two people, but there were clearly five people there. It was W.D. Blanche, Buck, Bonnie and Clyde. And then also they like parked backwards in the garage. You could like zoom out really quickly and the window covered. So the neighbors were like, we're a little to us about like these people that are staying at this apartment. Eventually, someone calls the police so 12 days into their stay there it's april 13th 1933 and they the police come and try to raid the place and there's a shootout two police officers die so they end up the barrow gang kills i think 12 people i'm going to read you their names in a minute so two officers die and blanche loses her dog which is sad she like really wanted her dog she lost her dog and i can imagine her being like, I have to get my dog. And I'm being like, no, you know? Like, get the fuck out of here.

So they left, and they left everything behind. And this, if you remember, is like, the reason they're super famous, because they left behind, like, a shit ton of guns, Bonnie's poems, all the newspaper clippings that they had been keeping to, like, keep up with how famous they were becoming. And the famous photos of them. They, it wasn't, they weren't even developed.

It was a role of film. And the police got them developed. And it was like a gold mine. It's the photos. that you know of Bonnie and Clyde like in front of the car with guns and she's smoking a cigar and they're like putting guns in each other and they look they have the cute little 20s 30s clothes on and that's what really made them like super famous yeah that I know the cigar the woman that was like lettuous for a woman to have like a cigar in her mouth apparently she was adamant that

she didn't actually smoke it she just had it yes yes she's a lady because that like would hurt her reputation after she's like in this murderous gang of bumble you know but she didn't smoke a cigar and so now they're like nationally famous because those pictures are printed and everything because they're cool you know like it's a time when like now it's super into the depression people are like super looking for like a distraction and then like you said before it's like it's sexy that these two people are like on the run together yeah yeah and so I also want to tell you the people that they died because it's all fun the games about a lot of people died and Clyde killed some of the people, killed by the gang.

Bonnie was kind of charged with one of the murders. Who knows, she probably shot the gun sometimes. But they're mostly police officers who were not like career police officers. They were like a dude who would like have a job as like the sheriff on like the weekend. Right, right. And you get like paid a little bit of money if you like brought someone in. But it wasn't like you'd like bring your own gun. It wasn't like the police force.

But the people that they killed. just to read their names. There's John Napoleon Butcher, Deputy Eugene Campbell Moore, Howard Hall, Doyle Ellie Myers-Johnson, Deputy Malcolm Simmons Davis, Detective Harry Leonard McGuinness, Constable John Wesley Harriman, Town Marshal Henry Dallas Humphrey, Prison Guard, Major Joseph Crownson, Patrolman, Edward, Brian Wheeler, Patrolman Holloway, Daniel Murphy, and Constable William Calvin Campbell. So they killed a fair amount of people. That's 12.

Yeah. The 12. That's what I count in 12. Yeah, 12. That's a lot. It's a lot. And it's in only two years. That's a lot.

I thought, yeah. I don't remember the last podcast episode of it all that well. There's something that stick out to me, but like how many people they killed didn't stick out to me? Well, like, you should have. Yeah. Because it's, I mean, it really is a ton. And they didn't, they never, like, got away with like millions of dollars, you know? It was all stupid.

It was all stupid. It was like, they just, described them, who was it? It's like broke crimes. It's not even like cool, like sexy, like they'd get away with like a dollar 50 and somebody died for it or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is a lot of like sometimes the bank teller would like try to be a hero, you know, and like have a gun, you know, that kind of thing. Right. And she might be there. So there's also some jail breaks during this time. I'm not going to talk about it in full, but Clyde was obsessed with breaking people out of specifically easy. stone prison where he had been because he was so had such a terrible time there that he just like wanted everybody to be free and he had planned several times to just like drive in and save everybody in like certain ways um they did one little jail break where they got six guys out and people died during during that um so this whole time they are killing people for literally no reason they're stealing small amounts of money they're starving but they're nicely dressed And they're also very, very injured. So I want to talk a little bit about the injuries that they have and some of their gang gets during this, during these like the two like kind of crazy years are 32 to 34. Okay. So remember Clyde cut two of his toes off.

So he's limping the whole time. They're also like very short and he's limping. And on June 10th, 1933, they're driving at night and he misses like a turn off for a detour and he's very good at driving. So he's probably like confidently going very fast and he misses a turn and he flips the car and the car flip. over and Bonnie's leg is burned from hip to toe by battery acid. You can see the bone in places.

So just like an absolutely horrifying burn all over her leg. They go to a local, like a local, like a nearby farmhouse and the people who live there put baking soda on it to try to like help up. But like she's to go to a doctor and Clyde's like, we can't go to a doctor

like we can't go to a hospital. So it never heals. It's like always oozing. and she can't walk and she's always in the car because they're always on the move but there's no place to stay and heal so she's always like curled up in the back seat so when it does start to heal even a little bit her leg can never be straight again yeah yeah healing like the curled up position and like there are people who will find them and report that they know where they are because they keep throwing bloody bandages out the windows yeah i remember this

they just keep like dressing her her like horrific wounds so even when they're like getting other members of people to join the gang or whatever that means and other people coming in, if they like go rob a bank, she's in the car, like waiting for them, like all like kind of curled up and injured in the back. It must have been just like horrifically painful. I can't even imagine, you know. At the same time, though, if she went to a doctor back then, they probably would have just sought her in half. Like, I mean, would she have really been that much better off with actual medical care? Maybe. Maybe the, I feel like that you're right. They probably would have amputated her leg. Yeah. I would have made it easier.

to move around. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Because like towards the end, he had to carry her. They went back to their, to their parents a couple of times, and they were, like, horrified by how unbelievably injured they both were. They get shot other times as well. There's, like, blood everywhere. At one point, their clothes are so bloody that they have to wear sheets. They cut a hole in a sheet and are dressed like ghosts, you know, because, like, their clothes are just so full of blood. The car's full of blood is just, like, disgusting. They're so injured. This story veers away from, like, a romantic tale of, like, a sexy couple into, like, Halloween horror nights, like, real quickly. Once you hear the details, you're like, ew, guys, go home.

Yeah, I'm kidding. So, in the end, she can't walk. In July, in July, 1933, they're camping, and the cops are called because they're being suspicious. And Blanche is still with them. So Blanche is, you know, Buck's wife. and she's like she's lost so much weight she weighs 90 pounds when she's finally in jail she'll wait 80 pounds she's like amaciated she's not eating anything and she's wearing this like really nice outfit that she bought with some of the money that they got so she looks weird people are like

suspicious because she's wearing this night's outfit that doesn't fit her anymore because she bought it when she's healthier and now she's like 80 pounds and she's wearing this outfit so people are like what's going on and so they call the police because these guys are like you know public enemy number one you know they're looking for them and the cops come and they find them where they're camping out and there's a shootout and Buck who is Clyde's brother is shot in the head

through his forehead and his brain is exposed which is so gross but he's alive and they all get into the car Blanche pushes them into the car Bonnie's in the front seat WD is there Bonnie can't straighten her body

Blanche has her arms around around Buck in the back seat and she looks up right as a cop shoots out the window and glass from the window shoots into her eyes and blanche can't see so blanche is screaming because her eyes are full of glass and buck is still alive they're in the car they drive like they drive away to go stay in an abandoned amusement park which is unbelievable and they're there and they are pouring hydrogen peroxide into the hole in buck's head oh my god and he doesn't die They dig a grave for him.

It's like terrifier, except it's all happening. Like, it's all self-made problems. So they dig a grave for him. They're like, Buck's going to die any minute, and he doesn't die. So they're waiting for Buck to die. They can't really move him because his head's, like, open. The cops find them, and they start shooting. Buck is shot again, and he still doesn't die.

He's shot in the back. And there's a great picture of Blanche. I'm sure you've seen it, and I'll post it. Or Blanche is, like, is getting arrested. she's like screaming and she has like sunglasses on because she can't see anything because her eyes are full of glass and um they take him to the hospital buck's mom gets to see him before he dies he ends up dying of pneumonia which is like so crazy because you have we were shot so many times people were hardy back then i guess she's really pretty she's really pretty and so she actually one of her eyes

will never regain eyesight but her other one does heal and um she goes to jail and um she goes to jail and she just get put in jail for her part in some of the some of the shenanigans but she gets to be old she dies in 1988 so seriously that's great so yeah that's it's it's not that ancient history i guess in the movie in the the warren baby movie um the woman who plays blanche is not as pretty as blanche in real life but she won the academy award for that role and blanche was pissed because she was like i was way cuter than bonnie which It's true. Because Bonnie was hotter. Blanche was hotter. Yeah, and the movie Bonnie was hotter. Yeah. Well, she's the lead.

I know. We know. Know your place. So, okay, so now during that shootout, so Blanche and Buck, they go, Buck does die. Blanche gets in jail. So WD, Bonnie and Clyde, run away. They steal another car. You know, they're unbelievably injured, unbelievably dirty, unbelievably starving.

and they now like the Texas Rangers are after them which are like you know the top cops of Texas is like crazy law men specifically a man named Frank Hammer he's like going to get them the BD is still there but they drop him off to see his family in Houston and they tell him to just say that you were like forced to do this eventually he goes to jail I think for this and for other things but he also lives to be old as well so Bonnie and Clyde are alone they're 23 and 25 They're still, like, very young, and they're both, like, super injured, and the rangers get a tip that they think they're going to be driving down a certain road at a certain time. So the rangers are waiting, like, in the bushes, and it's super hot, and it's a muggy, and there's mosquitoes everywhere, and they're, like, about to give up, and then the car drives by. It's 9.15 a.m. on what day? It's on April. Nope. It's on May 23rd, 1934.

So it's 9.15 a.m. and the car is driving by fast, and the cops just start shooting. They shoot and they kill Clyde instantly. They shoot him in the head. So the car's still moving. So the car swerves the side of the road. Bonnie starts screaming. And the officers get up and they shoot 130 rounds into the car. Obviously killing them both. They're both. I mean, lucky Clyde. I know, for real. Because it was so bad that the coroner had. a hard time embalming them because they were so full of holes. Yeah, of course. Many times. The thousands of people came to see their bodies. And that's where it becomes sort of like a myth and a legend as well, because people are seeing their bodies.

They see the car. The car was obviously stolen. So the woman who got whose the car was stolen from took it back full of blood, like not cleaned, just like took it back. And it went on like a tour. You could sit in it for a dollar and it would like go into side shows. And now it's in Prim Nevada. I tried to find it last time.

was in prim that's like on the way home from Vegas and i like went to the casino and it was 10 in the morning and it was like really weird and everybody was smoking and like gambling and i was like i couldn't find it and just like left and ask anyone is so it's in a casino yeah it's in prim nevada which is on their way on the 15 on the way between LA and Las Vegas Prim valley resort in casino resort I think is generous oh the death car there we go I mean, that's a pretty cool thing. I mean, I... It's not in high school, yeah.

I'd pose as far as it. It's pretty cool. That's a lot of bullet holes, though. It's a lot of bullet holes. They really went down. I mean, look, I get it. If you're the cops and you're like, all these people do is kill cops, and I got a chance to take them out, like, just empty the, what are they called magazine?

Yeah. Yeah. I know things. Tommy guns You know The whole thing Yeah Their liabilities

To have them out there You know You can't just like Like oh they're petty criminals Because like they're doing petty crimes Or they're killing people So like It just can't

It's just not safe to have them out on the road They gotta go You know Yeah They love escaping from jail as well So other stories I didn't talk about With like Putting a saw inside a radio

Is to get into jail You know like stuff like that Like it's very like a cartoon What you think Being in a jail in 1930 would be like this also reminds me of godfather when sunny was killed remember they jump out and it's just like Tommy gun riddle the whole thing right most violent scenes I saw that as a kid my parents should not let me see that movie

well hopefully um hopefully Bonnie died quickly after that first shot you know and didn't get like a thousand shots like buck did and still like hang on you know hopefully it went fast for her um yeah they were super young um a couple things that I wanted to mention, though, before I cut it off. Obviously, the cars that he was stealing were Ford's, which it was like the most popular car then. So on April 10th, 1934, so less than two months before he was killed, Clyde wrote a letter to Henry Ford. And he said, while I still have got breath in my lungs, I will tell you what a dandy car you make. I have drove Ford exclusively when I could get away with one. For sustained speed and freedom from trouble the ford has got every other car skinned and even if my business hasn't been strictly legal it don't hurt anything to tell you what a fine car you've gotten the v8 but that's actually kind of sweet like he never bought one but he sure shit stole a ton of them did that letter get to henry ford maybe i don't know i don't know how else we read it you know yeah that's good point

yeah that is uh this that is really the most quintessential doomed to fail of all most most iconic doomed to fail relationships i think um i can i can imagine yeah i think that too and i have a poem of bonnie's but i'll put it on the same i don't read it but they're long short like really long rambling poems that's actually the thing i remember the most from the last last podcast was how she had no understanding of punctuations or anything so like because henry would read it like with punctuations and it was just quote unquote and then you know yeah and she's like writing she's i feel like she in her own way is writing for history because she knows that there's so many times

her mom is like you have to leave you have to leave him and she's like I'm just gonna I'm gonna die with him like this is it you know I'm not gonna I'm not gonna like leave and go to jail for 10 years and then like have a regular life she's like I'm gonna die with Clyde and it's gonna be soon and they knew it would be soon like when Buck died his parents didn't buy a gravestone because they were like let's just wait till Clyde dies so we can buy one from both of them

because they knew it was gonna happen times were so different how horrifying just like yeah no no i don't know i literally had the thought earlier while i was driving i was like dude in two years i'm gonna be 40 which makes in like 20 years after that 60 like i'm almost dead yeah it's 100 percent you're always dead at least 50 percent dead we've almost twice as long as clyde it's the way the way i live i'm probably three quarters dead I think you're fine

you'll be fine for a while thank you thank you so before we go over where you over to your side and cut it off and do the next one I do have a

listener male from my cousin Lindsay again and she wanted to let us know about how sexist it is that crimes are not named after women and she was like yep it's definitely sexist she says if you think about things are named after women

it tend to be things like tropical storms victim crimes and food the first two are involuntary or irrational reconfirming stereotypes types of women as powerless weak and illogical and the last is not necessarily bad but it celebrates women's contributions to food

but also that provides the system has worked and shrines women in the kitchen so she goes on but essentially like yep it's not nice in crimes after the women who did them yeah What else is named after women? Yeah, I guess nothing.

Yeah. I mean, to my credit, there's no, there's no hurricane farces or crimes. I think they like very recently had to be like, we have to stop naming all hurricanes after women. Like recently, because they were like, it's rude. We should crack that out. What about the fact that we think that all like ships and usually cars have, female yep just got her yesterday you know like we referred to them in the feminine which like i don't know if i owned a yacht i mean it would be weird to call it male i agree um 1979 is when

they stopped being named after just women being it for men and women wait what did i okay why are boats female it's surmised in ancient history ships were once dedicated to goddesses when beliefs and goddesses waneships were named for a mortal important mortal women I don't know

I don't know that's true but could you imagine yourself like you and Juan get rich enough you have like a 40 foot yacht

and you're like hey guys don't want to go on the burt no I don't want to go on burt I definitely refer to car as men

like masculine you really even the monster yeah because the really interesting yeah i don't know i don't know anyway well lindsay thank you for the sentiment anybody else if you have thoughts on other things that should be named male or female please let us down lindsay did you see barbie i i feel like you also would hate the patriarchy as much as i do

after watching it so text me i i didn't even realize they're supposed to like a political note to barbie i cried the entire time i was so mad Well, then I probably won't see it. Great. I don't want to make myself upset for no reason. Cool. Well, so through the power of editing, I'm going to go ahead and cut this off, and we will join you all again in four days, three days.

Two days. Two days. Okay. Thanks all. Bye. I don't know.