Doomed to Fail - Ep 36: Bruiser Brody: Beyond the Ring - Unraveling the Legend of Wrestling's Wildman

Episode Date: August 2, 2023

Next up! Step into the ring and explore the life of wrestling's enigmatic icon, Bruiser Brody. Known for his electrifying brawls and larger-than-life persona, Brody captivated audiences worldwide! He did not captivate José Gonzáles enough unfortunately, because he was murdered in 1988 at a wrestling event in Puerto Rico. Join Farz for this wild ride! Extra points if you’re a child of the 80s and remember how fun professional wrestling was! Is it still fun? Photos via the sun, public domain, & #midjourney Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpodEmail: [e-mail]  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In the matter of the people of the state of California, first is Hortonthall James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. Taylor, fancy seeing you again. Hello. Hello. Hello. So you just like, you just don't change for four days? Is that, is that what's going on here? Yeah, I mean, that's not out of the question. I do have. have piles and piles of laundry to deal with later. So who knows? What does you and Juan's usual?

OK, so hold on. I'm going to reiterate a point that I talked about on the last episode, having to do with me flying from DC back to Dallas. And that was as angry as I was, or not angry. I was just like frustrated because I wasn't getting my way, because my child. There was all these couples around my age with like kids. And I thought about you and Juan and was like,

Dude, I bet they would be so composed in this situation, but I did see one couple who were being so mean to this old lady who was their Uber driver that came to pick them up with their kids. The woman was like screaming at the old lady because like she didn't know how to unlock her own doors because maybe it was like a new car and she's old, whatever, you know. Whatever. Yeah. And she was so mean to her she ran over to her and like opened the door and was like, this is it. And then like, she'll push the button for it and slam the door of her. I was like, I get that you're upset, man. And I get that it's got to be worse with the kids.

But like we can, we don't have to devolve, you know, like that way. So anyways. I did. I definitely was mad at the, at Newark Airport. I was upset with the people in the security line because there were like 14 people working there and none of them were doing one thing. And there was a shoe stuck in the conveyor belt. So no one's luggage was going through.

And I was like, excuse me, sir, there's a shoe. And he was like, like uh and just like walked away so then i got someone else and i was like excuse me there's a shoe and the other guy goes i you already told me and i was like i told you five minutes ago you didn't do anything and then one was just like oh my god stop yelling at the people here but i'm like i've like i've never seen people more worthless than the people that i've seen working at the security and new work airport that's like my experience earlier when i stopped at chipotle there was one guy and he couldn't didn't know how to roll a burrito he literally he broke two burritos and they kept getting new

tortillas and trying to roll them there's like eight people behind like just trying to ask for help or one of y'all pay attention to this guy and help help your colleague oh my god so yeah i was i was potentially irrationally mad then and then one's just like okay like don't be mad because all of our luggage had to get like looked at anyway it's and usually but usually when we're waiting um won will sit down with the kids and i'll walk around because i need to like get up my nervous energy you know that's the thing y'all y'all have a good partnership vibe where like when one of you loses it the other one usually doesn't and so it balances each other out we're really lucky that way it really yeah that's great yeah jealous um okay so oh yeah welcome with doom to fail

i'm far as this time this is taylor there you go uh and last this week taylor did a true crime slash history one and i'm going to do a true crime only story and i'm going to focus today's story on the entertainment slash sports industry i'm going to be covering professional wrestling and i'm covering a particular wrestler who met a very tragic fate can you guess who i'm talking about those are the one who killed his family no that's why i said that because i knew you think i know that you think i'm predictable and i would have done chris benoit so i was like ask her because she'll say chris benoit and i'll say no macho man randy savage no but he did he die tragic death i thought he died of a oh god he died after doing something that i like hurt him then

he got sick in the hospital i'm just going i'm just going to name wrestlers until you tell me so he just tell me macho man randy savage dude yeah he had a heart attack that's oh that's i know what you're talking about because everybody thought that he was on drugs or something because he was driving and they just drove his car into a telephone pole and they thought he was hired a drunk or something but it wasn't he literally had a heart had a heart attack while he was driving and then drove into a tree also macho man randy savage is like one of my idols um so yeah that's right anyways the guy that i'm talking about his name his actual real name is frank donald goodish but his stage name was bruiser brodie so i'm going to do a little

bit of a history in a background of wrestling or professional wrestling as a concept obviously professional wrestling and actual wrestling are very different actual wrestling is a real sport professional wrestling has super athletes doing entertainment basically we came up in the 1980 90s we came up in the vince mcband junior era of wrestling which was back then called the world wrestling federation the world wildlife fund was really upset about that sued the shit out of them until they changed their name to the wwe that's when wrestling stopped being this like regional local thing that all different parts of the country were involved in and became kind of like a unified organization under what is now called the w e there's all kinds there's now it's becoming a

little more fracture that a ew there's a whole host of other ones that are popping around the country but wwee is still like the number one did you watch the the documentary about the wwe no there's a documentary about it and it's like two and a half hours long in the first two hours you're like this is so interesting what is going on like you learn all this history all this stuff in the last 30 minutes you're like oh this has been a commercial for the wwe because then it's like them talking to you being like you should watch it yeah i just watch a commercial for this yeah basically but like so vinckman uh he kind of he made the transition from it being a sport really to being entertained that's actually how they get around all the steroids right stairway

regulation and the fact that they don't have to do any sort of testing is because it's it can't be considered a sport it's considered entertainment that's why these guys look the way they do like nobody looks like that naturally right and part of part of that was with wrestling is developing characters you develop storylines you have villains who were then torn they're built up to be torn down by heroes and and all that good stuff before Vince McMahon came around and kind of unified it into this storybook model of entertainment, there was all kinds of loose federations of regional organizing wrestling entities around the country.

You might have seen pictures going around of Zach Ephron looking like a weirdo with like square jaw and like a bowl cut. I just saw this. It's Zach Ephron and the guy from the bear. Yes. Yes. You know what that is?

It's a movie. Is it about this? So it is a movie about. about one of the most prominent families in professional wrestling before the era of WWF and WWE, they're called the Von Erlich family. Fritz von Erlick founded this entity called the WCW, which was the World Championship.

I'm not reading my notes, I'm going off memory, and I'm totally gonna buy, you know what? Scratch with the Federation was, it was based on its Texas, but it was the beginning of one of the most popular franchises, organizations of professional wrestling. The two guys, the guy from the Bear and Zach Ephron, those were two of his kids Eric and Kevin I think their name their name is yeah and

they're still famous they're so incredibly famous wrestling family like they're they're they're one of that caliber but back then this kind of wrestling wasn't really sanctioned by any any legal entities and so a lot of what was going on was people actually getting hurt people were really getting hit by ladders really getting hit by chairs their fists they were getting people were using staples on their own heads like just like stapling stuff onto like the head of themselves their opponent using razor blades to cut themselves yeah yeah it was it was it was actually real real legit and it was an incredibly bloody affair and the bloodier it was the better it was for promoters because they were

competing in the regionals of like trying people to show up their shows and they want to make sure that if it was gory enough that people would come to their show so at this time wrestlers were considered independent contractors and they sort of still are they would bounce between promoters and had to kind of make a name for themselves to draw on a crowd and earn a higher percentage of the ticket sales so on the one hand you have these like gigantic super athletes who can do and would subject themselves to extreme violence and also they were running like a one-man business they were trying to promote themselves and build an entity for themselves and a path to becoming kind of the next big big thing so i bring this up because if you look at pictures of brouser brodie or watch any of his matches we can't look them up yeah Okay, yeah. Actually, I'll pause on this. This will be the silent portion of our podcast while Taylor looks up Bruce of Brody. He looks awesome and crazy. His crazy eyes and he has curly hair and he's doing this for some reason. Why is he doing this? He's so cool. He's so cool. He looks awesome. Like, he, have he seen the one with him? He swings, he swings like an actual chain around his head like that, like he's like,

he's a crazy man like he looks like i see him with the chain he's huge huge i mean they're all huge but holy crap so the reason i wanted you to look him up is because because how he looks in his appearance you see how his forehead has rivets in it that's because that's because of all the um scarification that's from like cutting his own face with razor blades and stuff like that because if someone hits you you want to like make it look real so you just like go ah and then you have a razor blade and just like swipe down real hard and just cut your face up oh my god no they want to be authentic whoa and all this plays into what i'm going to talk about later on which is a tragic part of this whole story because when you look at this guy you're like he is crazy looking like he came

off his persona was a backwood's insane person who would do anything i see that why is he holding his hand like holding his hand out like let me see let me see which picture that is everyone who's who's looking at me he's like in a bunch of the pictures he's like holding his hand out like he's i don't know is that like a gesture anyway what that is yeah i never noticed that that was happening on somewhere several other things so okay going back to ruser uh he was a physical specimen even amongst other physical specimen who were wrestlers he weighed 300 pounds and was six foot eight he was huge huge I think that guy's an airplane yeah you you have he had to lie down I look this up Taylor guess what the average height of an

American man is five ten or nine no right now the average height of an American man is five eight five eight wow it's what the weight is one thirty one ninety seven oh so kind of heavy on the portly side and pretty short um generally speaking a wrestler these days is between six two and six five in height and two 30 and 260 that's the average right spectrum this guy 50 years ago was 300 pounds and six eight so like you look at him and you look at his size you look at his high and you can see the kind of imposing figure that he actually was and you really go ahead sorry my friend taylor is six eight and it's delightful when we're together because

He's 6-8, and I'm 5-2, and we're both named Taylor. And it's hilarious, but he's very, very skinny. But he's so tall that, like, when he, like, reaches up for something, like, we were, like, at a party, and there was, like, a booth that had, like, a short, like a ceiling on it, but I couldn't even reach. And he put his beer on top of the ceiling. Like, he can, like, he can reach things that you're like, you can touch the ceiling. It's crazy.

Like superheroes. Like, superheroes, crazy. So 6-8 is, like, just crazy tall. So the reason I bring all this up is because back then, you had to, maintain your reputation pretty carefully because that's the way you would earn money so by all accounts despite brouser being a terrifying looking and very difficult person who's actually like a smart articulate and very very devoted person to his wife barber smith and the one child they had together and by all accounts everything he ended up doing professionally that made him kind of not loved he did because he wanted to provide them the kind of life that he wanted them to have

So on the topic of being difficult, Rooser was known to guard his character and look out for his family's interests pretty fiercely. Again, his character was basically the ultimate alpha male. So when promoters would bring him in to lose against their top wrestler, he'd often disagree and refuse to do so. Or in some cases, if he did lose, he'd make it obvious. Like he would just come out into the middle of the ring

and just lay down on his back, like the match was over. It just totally imprompted. It's so interesting because I definitely grew up watching wrestling being like this is super fun i remember at one point i like knew that it wasn't real but i didn't care obviously because like you know it's not real but i also like love the stories but there is like but it's i know it's not real but also like did you watch the andre the giant the giant documentary yeah yeah delightful but like the big andre the giant hulk hogan they didn't know what's going to happen yeah like that's crazy to me they didn't know what was going to happen

and under the giant decided like decide what's going to happen in the ring and they'd like played off each other so they were like not you know actually like hurting each other in a terrible way they got hurt obviously but like i can't believe no one knew it was going to happen it was on pay-per-view yeah well i think andre got super hurt during that because hogan slammed him and he was like 550 pounds and like his back hurt forever yeah yeah but i think yeah i think that that was crazy to me i was like that wasn't like planned minute by minute they didn't practice they just like waited till they get out there and then like did their dance you know so this one happened in back in this day too where a lot of times the promoters would say you

you have to lose, but then like the way you lose or what ends up happening, you kind of like make those calls and those decisions in the moment in the ring with your opponent. So it is kind of, you're trying to like lose with dignity, but in this case, Bruiser would sometimes just say, you know what, nobody would ever believe I'd lose this idiot. So I'm just going to lay down on the ground and just lose by just being on my back. Because he was trying to guard his reputation as like the tough guy, essentially. There was one story where he literally stopped wrestling and just stood in the ring. looking around and this was presumably done to piss up promoter because he disagreed that he should

lose the other opponent to the wrestler in the match with him right this is a common thing can't fight with him exactly exactly yes that is exactly where this is headed yeah so other wrestlers and most promoters didn't really like bruiser very much since they're all kind of jocke for status and position in the industry if brodie i said brodie i wrote brodie but i mean bruiser if if brouser decided he wasn't going to lose a bout he was about that he was paid to lose it lowered the stock of his opponent so the opponent was on the crescendo of his career he's supposed to win this giant bout against brouser and then brouser doesn't do what he's supposed to do and then it is he does his stock drops basically so in 1986 brouser was on tour with a promotion

called world wrestling council w wc for short and that is a porto rican based promotion and one of their top stars was a wrestler, this guy named Jose Gonzalez, who wrestled under the name invader number one. He was like a tag team. So it was Invader 1, Invader 2, Invader 3. He was invader 1, basically. He was in there alone. Jose had bouts with Bruiser and would regularly get the shit kicked out of him. And the matches not go the way they were planned to go. Because again, Brody, I keep saying Brody. I'm trying to call him Bruiser. Rizzer was being difficult. just one match after one match where Jose was being transferred to the hospital he was overheard by two other wrestlers one of whom will become relevant later Tony atlas is saying i'm going to kill

that man one day referring to bruiser like he fucked him up like he didn't go down the way he was supposed to go down and he also totally fucked up and also if you look at the two of them side by side it's obvious like you'd watch those matches they're like everywhere on youtube it's like me fighting a child like it looks alien right Wait, I'm sorry, I have to stop again. I was thinking someone was playing chess this weekend and I said at the time that you were playing chess against the child and you yelled at the child because the child was like, why don't you practice?

And you were like, I have a job. I was actually thought about that recently. He was so good. He would like play me and then go play for other people at the same time. Like he was just like, look at me like, oh, okay, and just move on. You were like, fuck you eight-year-olds. I'm a grown-up. I have a car.

Fuck you. I know. has a nicer car now uh so in 1988 bruiser wanted to invest in his own promotion and found the fervor and passion of fans in porto rico quite appealing he decided to become part owner of the world wrestling council this didn't sit too well with hose who was a key figure in the promotion as our top build star and someone who also viewed brodie as the reason why his value as a top wrestler had been diminished over the past bounce that they've had again this is the guy that said i'm going to kill that guy one day on july 16th bruser was supposed to wrestle at the local

stadium in san juan for wcw he was in the lock room with fellow wrestlers tony atlas in dutch bantel who had traveled to the venue together the following is from tony atlas and dutch's account of that night they noticed that jose was in the lock room when they first walked in they noticed that he was sitting in a chair with the two existing owners of world wrestling council carlos cologne and victor joe vica dutch and jose left the dressing room not together they just want their separate ways so from here on now we're basically going to rely entirely on tony alice's account the one thing to note about this is that this all sounds kind of like um embellish a lot of it sounds embellishy it's worth noting that for the past 40 years this story's never changed

tony ellis has never changed the story he's it's been written down it's been documented it's been been recorded saying it i watched recordings of him talking about this it's never changed so i'm leaning in favor of believing what he says so he says that tony says that bruiser approaches him and asks him to do a drawing of a son because apparently tony was a pretty good amateur artist tony says that hosey approached him and bruiser with a towel wrapped around his arm and asked bruser to have a private conversation in the shower presumably about the matches coming up that night they walk into the shower and carlos and victor surround tony which insinuates that they knew what was about to happen the way tony tells it he hears a scream from the locker room

and rushes into the shower and sees bruiser hunched over and bleeding he says that his intestines fell onto his arm like that he was stabbed really really badly and tony laid on him basically trying to protect him one of the things that he said was that brujer told him like don't let them hurt me anymore is what he said apparently he was still holding the picture of his son his son there was a picture that he wanted tony to draw for him as he was kind of bleeding out from what what what his account of this was is that bruiser wouldn't have seen what was going to happen Jose had a knife that was covered and he's walking in front of bruiser into the locker room and then just turns around quickly just sticks it in him

because to tony's point like again if you look at the two you're like there's no way this guy would ever get the drop on him because he's just so much smaller and that's the way that he would have been able to do it. Bruiser is laying there for with Tony on top of him for about 45 minutes. This was the night of a show and wrestlers were kind of coming and going out of the lock room and also there was traffic jams slowing down the progress of ambulances trying to get the bro broozer because everybody was trying to get to the stadium to watch wrestling match. But at this time, Bruiser is still alive. It's 45 minutes in. So this is, I'm getting into like conjecture

territory here i wrote down the following to me smacks of cultural differences here between american versus puerto rican dynamics and also community differences around wrestlers when paramedics arrived they couldn't lift bruiser so they asked the other wrestlers to help lift him onto the gurney and nobody would help the idea being that they were in porto rico wrestling for portoican promotion this was an american that was dead on the ground and the idea being that this probably has some ties to the business of the organization and they don't want to get involved but was he dead still alive so alive so other wrestlers wouldn't help but tony was helping tony was the only one helping and tony's the one that lifted him up totally one that could lift him up eventually when he

gets to the hospital the doctors were very slow to get to him according to tony what he was told after asking for medical attention for bruiser was that we'll get to him when we get to him basically insinuating that a stab win in Puerto Rico is like catching the cold in the U.S. So we're not a priority to do anything to help them. I mean, Puerto Rico is not doing well. My whole side of the family on one's side is from Puerto Rico. And Juan's dad is a doctor in the U.S. Puerto Rico is in the U.S., but his dad's a doctor.

He traveled around, but he was in Puerto Rico and he got into an accident on his bike because he rises his bike all the time. And he broke his hip and they were so upset that he was in Puerto Rico. And they like botched it. like his legs are different heights. He was not as good as being in America. And he and he is like, could have spent the most money. You know what I mean?

Like he got the best medical care. But it wasn't, it wasn't as the equivalent to being like state side because Puerto Rico just has such shitty resources. Well, so I was like, I thought part of this smack of like prejudice. And so I started looking into some like numbers and looking at like what would be a good indicator to this. I'll get murder rates. So this happened in 1988.

I found murder rates only from 1990 onward. In 1990 is actually when Puerto Rico started doubling down on violent crime. So probably not 100% accurate. But even in 1990, the murder rate per 100,000 people was 18 people. By comparison in the U.S., per 100,000 people at the same time, it was nine. So it was double the murder rate of the U.S., which, you know, seems like a lot. like a lot also one thing that i found was that the highest per capita murder rate today in the in the world is jamaica with 45 whoa that's crazy and i also wrote this down for anybody that thinks that

we're more violent now than we ever have been in 2022 the murder rate in the u.s was six oh wow good for us yeah so it went down by a third good job um also on my trip to hide park i saw pictures of eleanor and hick when they toured porto in the 30s um to see the condition of people there and to vow to help them nice nice port work is beautiful i was there last year it's incredible i'm sure you go regularly don't you i've been a couple no i've been twice once for work for fun like my work used to remember i when i worked at the hedge fund they would take us to the bahamas in port riko every year oh there you go so fun but then also i went i think went once for with the family we'll go again we've uncles our great the kid's great grandma lives there

nice nice so anyways doctors eventually see bruiser and they tell tony that he can leave So he ends up leaving. He goes back to the stadium, into the locker room. He does his match. And by this point, the police are interviewing everyone. And Tony says he's surprised learned that the police tell him that based on the interviews of the other wrestlers that are in the locker room, all they would say is that some crazy fan broke in the locker room and stabbed Bruiser. And this kind of reminded me of the whole code of silence with police. What is it the secret something? I forgot the blue shield. Ben blue line. Yeah, yeah. Except for wrestlers. Tony was the only person who said to the police that night that Jose is the one that stabbed him.

Oh, my God. Can we buy Tony something? He's still alive. He is so alive. We should send him flowers or something. Yeah. He, well, part of it was that, again, nobody wanted to lose their job. Nobody wanted to lose access to promoter. And Tony was there on top of him. He really helped his friend.

He wrote a book called Atlas, Colan, too much, dot, dot, dot, too soon. Aw. I like this guy. Yeah, he seems like a good dude, especially when you listen to him, talking, doing interviews on this topic. So ultimately, Jose is arrested and put on trial for Bruiser's murder. And this is where the code of silence thing really picks up. Prosecutors didn't really bring in any witnesses to testify on behalf of a brouser or behalf of the state. See what happened in the locker room.

Apparently, they did ask for the testimony of Dutch and of Tony. but they received those summons after the trial already concluded like it was like one of those one of those situations so they didn't have a chance to do it at the end Jose claimed self-defense and realistically given the fact that Jose was kind of like a local local celebrity in San Juan and Bruiser was a terrifying looking human being that scared the fans they were like yeah yeah self-defense makes sense it's like it was like a prejudicial thing in my opinion you know they're trying to persuade the hometown kid yeah and they i mean his reputation like preceded him because that was his job exactly exactly so but like it's worth noting that brouser would go into the crowd

swinging this chain so like right people would run away from him but like that's how he made money that's the whole point that's super fun like yeah it's hard it's so funny when you like hear like they're the real personalities and this real story is you're like god i was so so fucking scared of the Undertaker, you know. But he's not actually like a terrifying undertaker who's like looking at you under his greasy hair, like trying to embalm you, you know, but you're like, ah. My was Stone Cold. I thought Stone Cold was such a badass.

Remember Kane? Kane was Undertaker's brother. Thank God these guys are so alive. They all die so young because of the steroid use, but these guys are still with us. Brothers of Destruction. I wrote down that Jose's build height in weight was 5 foot 10 and 230 pounds so it was like again looking at two of them side by side it's like okay you can see why a jury would think that this was a self-defense case but again

according to tony he would have just turned around and stabbed him there was no conversation being had and then yeah Jose's fully acquitted he goes on to live his life he's actually still alive he's still kicking around San Juan he wasn't a social pariah whatsoever and he actually retired he spent years wrestling after that he actually came out of retirement briefly i think it was in 2011 2010 when he was like 60 years old and and wrestled again so yeah so those are the details that night here's tony speculation on what he thinks happened overall according to tony brouser had been very vocal that this organization this porto rican uh world uh wc owed him about $40,000 in pay for this tour. And it was well known that Brody was definitely not shy about

being the shit out of people that he felt wronged him. And he could. And he'd been telling people that this was what he was going to do if he didn't collect on his $40,000, beat the shit out of the owners of the WWC if he didn't collect. That night in July of 1988 was one of the last night before the tour would have ended, which means that, like, he would have needed to get paid or somebody would have had to have gotten a shit kicked out of him. The reason why Tony, Dutch, and Bruiser left the hotel to go to the stadium together that night is because Bruiser had gotten stood up by Jose. So it was well known that the two didn't like each other, but they were professional enough.

They'd wrestle enough to where, like, Jose was like, yeah, Bruce, I'll take you to the stadium that night. And he never showed. He was in the locker room waiting for him when they got the locker room. Bruiser just went up to Tony and Dutch and was like, I got stood up by Jose, can I buy it with you guys? Like, sure, go ahead, let's do it. The speculation that Tony put forth

is that something was supposed to happen to Bruser at the hotel before Jose was supposed to pick him up. Like a hit. Like, there was supposed to be a hit on Bruser at the hotel. That's why he stood him up and was like he was going to be, you know, that was that overarching idea. Tony says that when the three of them walked in and saw the other three in a huddle,

they'd look like they'd just seen a ghost as though they were not expecting Bruiser to have left that hotel. Oh, I thought he was already murdered. They thought he was already dead. Oh. It was also insinuated that after Tony had left the hospital, two security people, quote unquote,

showed up and told the hospital staff to stop working on Bruiser. So either way, these guys wanted him dead. Yeah. And there was like a whole storyline with Carlos Colon later on where he beats up, Jose in the ring because for killing bruises. They turned it into. Right, but he actually killed a person.

He actually killed a person who was a father who was like a thing. Ugh, that's terrible. That was another part of this is a thing called K-Fob in wrestling, which is the storyline. The fact that wrestlers have to hold on the storyline pretty closely to like not let the public in on it. So there was also some speculation like this, you know, yeah, he's dead, but maybe this is all part of a storyline.

And the fact that they Carlos Colon ended up doing like a whole bit on this on later on show kind of further real man is dead And the real man's dead. Yeah and his wife flew to Puerto Rico when she learned that he'd been stabbed and it was too late. He was already dead. Yeah. Fuck for everyone. That's terrible. So one thing one thing I would say is after like watching a lot of interviews on this Dutch Vantella in particular did a really great interview because he like was very vocal that like a Jose should be dead for what he did. There's a lot of people in the wrestling community that really, really didn't like Bruiser, because he was the top guy, and usually the top guy is whoever he's shooting for anyways.

And he was kind of a bully. Like, if he thought that you were trying to fuck him over or stand between him and his money or his family's money, he would let you know. And that's why the threat of him beating somebody up over $40,000, like, he's gonna do it. This is not like an empty bail threat. That's his reputation.

Right. Because he's his own business. Yeah. He's his own business. And so that's another piece of this. But realistically, he was also part owner in this organization at this point. So he could have taken them to court or something. He could have done something different, but like it never amounts of that anyways because they killed them.

I just want to say don't kill people again. Yeah. Don't kill people. Generally not a good thing to do. But yeah, it's at that time, he would have been basically, he was. He was essentially the Rock or Hulk Hogan of his era of wrestling. Wow. And there was really nobody close.

So. That's crazy. That's the story. And what's funny is his story is actually very similar to the rock because he was also like a gigantic football player. And he went out for the, so he played in, he played college football. And then he went out for the NFL. He got cut from the NFL. And he was like, well, what can I do?

It's like, well, my body's literally only made for football or professional wrestling. wrestling he just went to professional wrestling exactly like the rock like the rock played in canada right so i don't know professionally if you playing in camp i don't think he played a professional in canada i know the rock because i went to university of miami and he was on the university of miami championship team in 2001 when we beat ohio state we i was a part of it was i was like i was like a sophomore in high school um wow It's crazy. I'm sure there's a lot more stories in WWE, like that one with the guy who killed his family and all that of, like, crazy. Yeah, there's silence.

So there's a show called, this is where I heard the Bruder Brody story. I have another professional wrestling story to tell you. You know Goldberg, the wrestler. I knew some kids who were abused. used and Goldberg does a charity thing where he meets with them and just becomes like a male role model who won't hurt them. It was very lovely. He's just like you can trust people. He's a good guy. Dude, like I've come to like find that generally speaking, wrestlers are kind of like awesome humans. Yeah. John Sina seems like he's done the most make a wish gifts out of

anybody or something. The Rock is constantly donating to charities. Like they all seem like they're I mean, I don't know. Some of them are more selfish than others, but like generally speaking, they seem like really great people. Yeah, I have a friend who got pretty close and he was like in their like training camp in Florida for a while,

but it was a lot of it was like, you know, keep up your reputation. You have to like be this guy no matter where you are, you know? Yeah, the whole thing. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe when you come out of that world, you're like, oh, thank God,

finally my nice side can come out. Oh, I don't know, man. Stone Cold seems like he, is a hard ass all the time. Like, I've seen interviews with him, like, since he retired. And he's just a good old boy, right? He's like a giant, good old boy.

And so he just acts like that. He just drives that 350s and shoots guns. Like, that's what he likes. Oh my God, they're huge. Huge. It's called the Dark Side of the Ring. They have several stories. One of them is the Roosier Brody story,

and it is absolutely fantastic. I probably watched that like a year and a half ago and thought it was incredible then. And it still is, they have, they have several of those dark side of the ring. It's a series. So it's worth watching. I also watch the first, I watch the first episode of the one about American Gladiators. And it was also very fun.

I don't know if you watched that yet. It's on Netflix. I haven't seen it. But did you watch American Gladiators when you were a little? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So it's a story of how like they all got a shit deal. It got like paid like a dollar, you know, to like to do it and like all this stuff.

And it's just really fun because it brings back a lot of memories of how freaking fun that was. So that's how it all always goes with. you first get your first taste of like some sort of fame or whatever that you yeah i remember uh who was at tlc she was like yeah like i made maybe 300 000 for my that our hit album that went like triple platinum or something um we are now accepting advertisers if any would like to advertise on doom to fail to our solid 100 people who listen every week taylor got to stop 100 000 people was it every week you got to stop tell your friends tell your friends um well cool thank you far as that was awesome yeah pay pay us advertising money so we can learn how to be better

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