Doomed to Fail - Ep 41: Sex Dungeons & Dragons: The tale of Colleen Stan

Episode Date: August 21, 2023

This week Farz tells the true crime story of the kidnapping of Colleen Stan, by the unfortunately named Hookers. It’s a survival story, but not before several long years kept in unimaginable horror. As always, it’s not uplifting. Pics via IMDB, news.com.au, People Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail]  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In the matter of the people of the state of California, first is Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. I'm here. You are barely here. I'm like, I'm physically here. Great. Great. Not in the same room, but physically. Okay. Okay. Let's go ahead and kick things off and do a human, human check-in real quick. So welcome to doom to fail.

I'm Farr's. This is Taylor. We are going to be doing a story on true crime and history issues that are doomed to fail. And we are having a day, and the Western Seaward is having a day. Indeed. And I am about to have a horrible, horrible day as I fly into Los Angeles prior to this morning. I don't think you're coming. I just, it's, it's Hurricane Hillary time. And it's not raining here yet. I can see some clouds. Yesterday, it rained a little bit. We had tons of like really

weird, creepy lightning. But it's supposed to rain all day tomorrow, like more rain than we get in a year. So, Taylor, like, I've talked to a few. So I was talking to WIS, Joe Zniewski, because I was making plans to see him while I was in L.A. And it feels like people in L.A. that this is like a nothing situation is that like the sentiment there or what's the deal well i don't know because you know what i was in our old neighborhood on thursday i took the kids to desano's pizza which is so good and we drove up vermont and went to our old apartment and a bunch of stuff is closed like that that library bar is closed and the sports bar next to it's closed and like a couple things i've been closed since i've been there last but atrium the restaurant on vermont that i know that

you and i've been to that's super good um they're closed tomorrow i'm I would follow their Instagram. So I think some people are, like, closing things down just in case. I mean, I think here in Joshua Tree, we don't get floods because, I mean, we're at the top of a pretty big hill, luckily, but, like, down where, like, the town is, like, the roads flood a lot because sand can't absorb all this water. So we're going to probably have, like, a little bit lake in our front yard. If it does rain as much as they say, it's going to. This is going to be a lot of rain. Don't go outside.

So question. I tell you after it happened. If I, so if I were to, let's say, delay my flight to Monday and flow in on Monday, would I be able to get in, you think? I think that'd be better. Yeah. But I don't know. I don't know. I'm not a meteorologist.

No? You're a volcanologist. I'm a volcanologist. What are you drinking? I'm drinking wine. I'm drinking this Banshee Cabernet Savignon from Sonoma County, 2021. It's got this weird ass bird on it. Yeah.

Nice. I have some feedback from Juan my husband who says no one gives a shit what day it is so we don't have to continue to do that dance where we're like is it Monday is it Wednesday who cares you mean you mean announcing it yes yes okay fair enough I'll stop so it's just true crime day or history day or whatever true crime day history day today's true prime day so let's get into it so because you're not going for a sailor one you tell us what you're drinking literally and figuratively i'm drinking some wine okay and that i'm sure plays into your story in some way shape or form it definitely does perfect uh i am i didn't think

about a drink man it's so california theme my story's in california i'm coming to california you're in california the hurricane's hitting california i feel like they should have a sierra nevada I think I just use that as a default whenever I need to drink something in California. That's okay. I'll go with Sierra Nevada. It's good. It's classic. Yeah.

Consistently good. So I will kick us off and I kind of already stepped on what I'm like where I'm going to be talking about and it had a lot to do with the fact that I am coming to L.A. this week and the story that I'm going to be discussing is in L.A. and it's, you know, no. No, no, it's actually not LA. My mind is like somewhere so far away from where I am right now. It is a California-based story, and it is about a woman who was kept as a sex life. So we're going to talk about that. It's an uplifting story. It is about a woman named Colleen Sand.

Have you heard of this before, Taylor? I don't think so. Okay. I think that when I start getting into the weeds on this, people are going to be like, yep, this starts, it's going to start sounding a little that familiar it's probably the biggest sex slave story that's out there outside of ariel castro which people are probably aware of you and the guy in um austria that like dad oh uh fritz something yeah with his daughter that was a bad one yeah jesus they're all bad no no no no there's no good ones there's no good sex slavery story like none of them turn into a disney

movies they're all kind of horrific but right i mean if it's consensual okay go ahead I just want to make that clear. Go ahead. Bower into those words, you know. They can't be consensual if the word includes slavery. Well, you're talking about a BDSM. No, I know, but I feel they use that word. Do they?

Okay, whatever. I don't know. Don't come at me, bro. Don't come at Taylor, Rose. She doesn't know the terminology in your life. I have the time. Okay. Yeah, we're too busy.

So I'm going to start by getting into our main antagonist of the story today, which are going to be Cameron and Janice Hooker. Unfortunately that they have the last same hooker given the nature of what they end up doing and the fact that sex work should be okay. Cameron and Janice met when Cameron was 20 years old and Janus was 15. So red flag number one is we always described age difference. And like, look, five years when you're like 30 or 40 or 50 or 60, it doesn't really matter. it's different yeah 15 year old is like a huge that's that's bad that's no you should not be with a child 15 year old is a child yes exactly exactly and in this case it's actually worse than just it being a child because it's not like janice came from a good household anyway janice was in a horribly abusive household and she was she was not accustomed to love affection adoration whatsoever right which

what does that mean it means like if somebody shows up and they're like I love you and then occasionally punch you in the face you're like this is great this must be love yeah it is a huge improvement over what I've experienced so far so this must be what it's supposed to be oh that's terrible so she lashed on to this guy Cameron who was not a good guy like we will learn further on the story he was not a good guy and again I have nothing against BDSM do you you don't give a shit it's all good but there is a difference between two equal parties doing BDSM and then a 20 year old and a 15 year old girl who's been abused for all life then you're like yes this is my sexual kink and you should be a part of it in this case Cameron was like Janice this is

what I want to do I want to do the BDSM stuff and they did but it was like it was sort of consensual It was consensual to the extent that you could get the consent of a horribly abused child. Yes, which you cannot. Yes. Exactly. So it's not. Exactly. So, and also, I should know that all this was going on the 1970s. So, like, it's not as common as it is today anyways, right? So, like, you know, it was, it's extreme in multiple ways, I would say. And so, yeah, as I wrote down here, Janice was not, like, she was a willing participant, but not really a willing participant. She kind of just had to get. go along with it and by the account she she loved Cameron that they had like what was considered a very healthy loving relationship but it was noted later on that she was being beaten quite a bit as part of this BDSM play that they were involved in so in 1975 the two of them would end up getting married and after the wedding Cameron would tell Janice that he had an interest in taking on a sex life and by taking on he was talking about kidnapping and forcibly putting someone

in this position right cool cool brov right yeah yeah yeah that's a yeah that's a yeah that's something you should talk about baby before you came here or like or just don't talk about it and don't do it i mean definitely don't do it yeah yeah yeah going out hypotheticals here so it sounds like janice really didn't object all that much i have this mental image of Janice in my mind of like meek scared I don't know like she does not seem like a powerful person in this situation but what Janice did tell Cameron was like cool yeah let's do this you should totally go abduct a woman to make her your sex life but I have two contingencies that you have to meet to be able to abduct this woman and keep her one you can't have sex with

yet you can only have sex with me can't have sex with a slave and two you have to stop whipping me as part of the BDSM play with with the slave but not me anymore those are the two contingencies which you know I mean I guess good for her like the thing I thought about here was like good for her for having the thought that she has any agency of the situation to put in contingencies but realistically did she have any agency because we're going to learn later that she really didn't. It didn't go in the way that she thought. So for anybody who hasn't heard the story of Colleen Sand, there's, oh, sorry, what I would say was like, if anybody has heard the story of Colleen, there's one detail in the story that I totally did not remember, or even hear about.

I feel like something's coming back, but I don't want to say anything yet. So you say it. And then I'll say that's the thing I thought. Okay, well, if the story, if what I'm telling you so far sounds familiar, this part won't sound familiar because this part shows how elevated the situation was outside of calling story herself. So in 1976, Cameron and Janice picked up a hitchhiker named Marie Elizabeth Spanhake. Elizabeth had gotten into a fight with her boyfriend in some flea market and decided that she wanted to walk and then later hitchhike home. The hookers picked her up and Cameron bound and restrained her as she was trying to get out of the car

basically they reached her destination and she's trying to get out and he like grabs from behind and like restraints her and everything. Oh my God, I was just going to say Farras, can you don't say hooker, say sex worker, but I understand right now that that's their last name. That's why I said it was unfortunate. It is. It is. It is.

Probably it's doing with fishing. Okay, continue. We're on the same thing. We believe the same thing. It's just like the nomenclature. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, no, no, I get it. So they end up taking Elizabeth back to their home. Cameron takes her out in the basement.

He strips her naked, balance her wrist the rafters, and basically starts tors. We're like whipping her, hitting her, putting cigarettes out on her, stuff like that. How old did she? She, I don't know. She was young. I remember she was young. It was somewhere between 16 and 18 years old. She was in that kind of age bracket.

This is the 70s. 16-year-olds go to Fleemarks as their boyfriends and then hitching home, apparently. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Elizabeth would be screaming throughout this entire ordeal, which really pissed off camera. He was trying to get her to stop screaming. And so to do that, according to Janus, he strangled her of death and then buried her body in a nearby park.

I don't get someone to stop screaming. So the hookers were never prosecuted for this crime. It's a proper now, damn it. the hookers were never prosecuted this crime we only know about this because later on after everything i'm going to talk about here was revealed janis told the police this story they ended up searching for elizabeth's potty and never found it and so this girl elizabeth actually went missing it was reported missing by her family at the time that janis says that they picked her up but they could find new evidence of it outside of what she said cameron obviously never confessed this and so

nobody was prosecuted for this like by all accounts girl disappeared presumed dead never found her body never knew what happened to her so that's sad that's kind of like the end of it and so the only reason this kind of came to light was because of the story of Colleen's stance so games the victim's side of today's story in 1977 Colleen was hitchhiking to her friend's birthday party every write-up of this story that you end up reading about later on is you're going to talk about the fact how when she was hitchhiking to her friend's party two men to like on two separate instances men would stop and offer her a ride and she would refuse them and she chose the hookers because there was a woman and a baby and a baby yeah they had a

baby at this point that one and all these stories are like I love reading these because they're like isn't ironic like it's a fucking Atlanta sports thing of like she could have gone with one of these other men that sounds like they would have probably fucking kill the rape her too like why do we think that yeah nothing is safe nothing is safe you know she's not she's not an idiot she actually made probably the most rational decision in that situation because those guys probably also would try to kill her yeah no totally so yeah she ends up seeing the hookers she ended up seeing that Janice in the car there's a baby in the car like this is safe i have money get in this car so she gets in the car and at this point in the ride uh they're

going to this ultimate end destination and they have to pull over to a gas station they have to get gas Colleen has to go to the restroom and when she comes back to the car there's a box sitting in the back seat next to where she was sitting she would later talk about this as having this thought this is a quote that she says that goes a voice told me to run and jump out a window and never look back end quote and she's like you know that thing in the back here like this is fucking weird this fucking really do something do something you just kind of ignore it and push it aside like your intuition basically telling you what you should be doing you don't listen to it that was what she was experiencing but she gets in the car anyways and the hookers

don't say anything about the box and so she doesn't either it seems like whatever they just put a box here it is what it is what it is it like what does it look like exactly what I'm going to so describe the box so it looks to be about i didn't have exact dimensions on this i was basically off of the images i found of it and next to a guy holding it it looks to be about 18 inches all around like a square box 18 inches all around it is wooden like and not like um not uh plywood like it's not uh compacted wood it is like solid solid wood it has hinges on one side of it and it has an opening like a circular opening in the middle of it where the hinges actually come apart inside is full of foam like there's a hollow area in the middle but it's full of foam and it also weighs

approximately 20 pounds it's big it's fairly sizable they leave this gas station they start driving and they reach an isolated stretch of highway and they pull off the road and stop the car Janice takes the baby and gets out of the car and Cameron turns to Colleen with a knife, handcuffs her, and then tells her she has to put the box on her head. Oh my God. He straps the box to her. Again, she's a tiny girl.

This is a 20-pound box, and also they don't want her to be upright anyways. Her head is like forced down into the back. She's laying down on the back. See what this box strapped to her head. So she took the time to like build it? Yes. camera was actually a pretty good carpenter he's going to build a lot of stuff like everything okay so again 1970 so right now you could go to what's that place in hollywood called treasure some pleasure

palace pleasure chest or whatever you could go to any number of these uh like high-end sex stores and get all all manner of like bdsm equipment this in 1970s there everything is everything is DIY for a sex dungeon. Like there is no ordering anything on Amazon. There's no Adam and Eve. There's no treasure palace. None of that stuff. Like you are building this up all on your own. And Cameron built all this stuff on his own. And there was a lot of it too. There's pictures on out there of the stuff that he had put together. It actually looks pretty well. Like he's a good carpenter. Like I do, I will give him credit for building quality sex torture equipment. Oh my God. I was just talking to my friend Nicole about what you should look for.

a man when you're dating and one of the top things is like gets one handy who can like build shit for you but in this case it's a red flag because she might like she might like this guy um if you get a guy who can build a deck that's pretty pretty solid but just also we shouldn't be building torture devices for children that he kidnaps if you see him building things that look like coffins in your garage that's when you have to raise the red flag to yourself if nobody else why do we need this box it's the perfect size of a human what was that there was like one oh my god the ryan reynolds amityville like the only part of that that i found really funny was the fact that in the basement he just built coffins for his entire

family including the children like he built baby coffins and i was just like that's kind of funny like if you go down there and you're like dad's just building coffins that has our names on it like in another world that could be interpreted it's hilarious um i'm so sorry i have another totally random tangent did you watch the evil dead tv show Oh my God. It's so stupid and so like this one character, her parents die. And the main guy in Evil Dead that you know what I'm talking about, he, Bruce, he makes like, he buries her parents and he makes these like crosses and they put on their graves, you know? And she's like, thank you for doing that. But, you know, we were Jewish. And he goes, then why did I spend all the time making this fucking crosses? It's so funny. i love that i love like i love like deliberately evil things that are just like kind of pointless it's kind of there's a lot for some reason so funny so funny um continue so going back to sad sex dungeon okay we're serious taylor oh no i just locked out what if you named your sex dungeon the

sad sex dungeon oh you're like come on pick it up um so we're we're at a happy sex dungeon for Cameron um not for anybody else right but they get back to their home and again Cameron straps calling to the rafters whips or beats her does all that stuff apparently Janice is in there watching him do all of this and then afterwards they end up having sex in front of Colleen which is just so gross it's just like so perverted and gross it's like what are you doing like it feels like one of those moments when it's like oh man what in life led me to this point where this woman is screaming naked and terrified bleeding that i kidnapped and now i'm having sex with my partner in front it's so weird so weird do you think do you think that's happening

how many how many places is that happening right now in the world i'm going to talk about that i'm going to talk about that okay because i taylor we're so alike like literally as i was like how common is this i mean they find each other okay i'm gonna get to it okay cool so after they end up heading sex uh they put in a box and this is an actual like this isn't the head box this is an actual giant box and it's a box shape meaning she can't lie down to it she has to sleep sitting up in this confined box which sounds fucking terrifying literally every worst nightmare terrifying later on cammo would do like he would build her a better box like the wrist carlton version of this is a box it's like a little bit bigger than a coffin she could lay

down in it so she could actually go to sleep so that was that was a step up anyways it's all and all it's all of it's worse than not being in a box but like there are gradients of which box you'd rather be in and i'd rather be in the coffin than the box that you have to set up in i think right yes thank you it's worth noting that Colleen ended up being their sex slave for seven years oh my god so what i'm going to describe is basically the highlights of her experience and not indicative of her day-to-day life her daily life was basically torture beatings whippings rape sleeping in a coffin cleaning the house taking care of the kid like but like it lasted seven years like i mean you can't go into every the podcast would be like seven years long if i went to every

detail of what she actually experienced what torture was like you just assume it was all bad but i'm gonna punctuate the interesting facts of the story as i as i go through this description so about a year after all this started cameron would allow her to come out of the basement and mostly this was to help with chores around the house which Colleen had to do nude around this time since she had more freedom and uh basically instill more fear in her Cameron would tell her that there was this huge crazy super powerful organization that was called quote the company Oh, an idiot. Whose membership was comprised of basically men who would keep sex slaves like her.

And he would basically describe it as like, these are all judges and politicians and lawyers and super rich and powerful people that you don't want to fuck with because they'll find you and kill you and kill your entire family. So he was trying to, like, instill this fear on her. They're like, there's a thing bigger than me. So escaping me does actually escape your situation. Exactly. Okay.

They have her contract a sign that basically promised that she would not run and that she would be beholden and belonged to Cameron and be a sex slave forever. He also told her that from here and out as part of being in the in the company, she had to wear a slave collar and she had to rename herself K, the letter K, not K, not like K jewelers. So she does this. she signs with an ex because apparently it's all the standard bullshit of like take away your identity all you know all that deconstruct it's cold stuff right so her living circumstances kind of changed now that she's kind of this official slave he created a new box for her to sleep in and put it underneath his and janice's bed occasionally they would have threesomes where janus got involved as well and she was able to sleep in bed with the three of them together.

Regardless, she was regularly beat, regularly tortured, and she was basically made to be their servant and take care of the house that may be on an ongoing basis. That was kind of her life. Four years after this ordeal started, Colleen was able to leave the house for the very first time, and it was this, around this time that basically her and Janice started forming some sort of a friendship, I guess, you would call it. Janice would take her to bars and they would go hang out of bars together, and Janice space there's event and complain to Colleen about how what her relationship was like with Cameron.

It was an odd arrangement, um, but if you're hanging out with, if you're hanging out with, imagine like you're out at Hooters and you're hanging out with the girl who has a slave collar on with letter K on it. And that's basically like what she was doing, but she was fine with it. Like she had broken already. Like this is a stockholm syndrome of like my, these are my partners now. Like we're in this together. I see one of their yeah this is my life oh my god by the late 1980s no not the late 1980s in 1980 and later on in the in 1980 uh Cameron finally let her actually contact her family for the very first time and she did and let him know that hey I'm alive I'm in a boy

I'm in a relationship with a boyfriend and I'm now working as a nanny for a couple which is like you know their version of the truth and a couple months after that her and cameron actually went to her parents house for a visit. Cameron was introduced as her boyfriend mike and they actually spent the night there and there's a photo of them at this get together and like they do look like they're a happy couple in a happy relationship this guy looks really creepy though Cameron looks super creepy he looks like a wet creepy like he looks like that guy remember that god what was that netflix show that was the most incredible next to their show where like there was this family there was like this husband wife with a daughter and then the guy this neighbor guy ends up sleeping with the wife

oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah with the husband and then abducting the kid remember that it's like yes yes yes yes yes yes oh my god you remember when the husband starts talking about how he like jerked the guy off in his car you're like what what you did what sir you it was like after he said that out loud dude unbelievable you couldn't get that out of me with fucking torture he's like he's already fucked his wife raped his kid and then he's like he came to my flower shop and i jerked him off on in my car it's like what are you talking about like what power this guy have like imagine that guy could have taken over the entire world if you have that kind of power unbelievable anyways that's what this guy reminded me up he looked like that

weird aside check that out abducted in plain sight unbelievable story just fast forward to the part where the guy says he jerked the guy off of this car um moving on moving on so once they get back home um for some reason Cameron starts taking away the privileges that he given Colleen she has to end going back in the basement she hasn't having to get whipped all the time she can't walk round free and do her own thing for whatever reason I think maybe he thought like she's getting too comfortable just trying to treat this too much like a relationship. Regardless, in 1984, Cameron tells Janice that he wants to take on another slave. Somehow in the middle of all this, by the way, they're still going to church.

Like, they're all, like, all three are one to church. It's unbelievable. Talk about, like, the weird hypocrisy and all this. But it comes up later on as a relevant piece. So there's conflicting reports on this part that I'm going to go into. But at some point, Janice has a... change of heart about calling situation and some accounts say that this comes about because she does confession with her pastor and the pastor tells her that she has to do something about

calling situation other accounts say that she only told the pastor after Colleen was already released that she had to report Cameron to the police in his situation and what they were up to what they would say is like if it's true that the pastor heard this in confession while Colleen was a sex slave and didn't report to the police then that's fucked up because the whole clergy privilege doesn't actually extend the crimes that are currently being committed or about to be committed so it does so if i were to say like for example if i were to tell us my pastor like hey when i was like 18 i killed somebody okay that's privilege like already done it is what it is but if i was telling like hey i'm about to kill someone like that's not privilege anymore so like you should have reported

of that and if he did it then that was really fucked up but again like conflicting reports some say that it happened after the fact so who knows what's actually true anyways regardless based on whatever guidance that janice gets and because of the fact that Cameron's bringing in the fact that he wants to bring a new sex slave also it sounds like Janice was generally unhappy in the marriage she ends up telling Colleen that the company doesn't actually exist and encourages her to leave it helps her leave So eventually she would take, she would coordinate with Colleen's family to get money for a bus ticket back home.

She would take her to the bus station, drop her off. And at that point, calling would call Cameron and say, hey, I'm going to leave. I'm leaving you. I'm going back to my family. This is apparently a super emotional call for both them. They were both crying. It was really, really sad for both for whatever reason.

And at that point, it was clear that calling had no intention of reporting any of this the police so yeah she like he broke her in her like she was already yeah way over the hill so that is um that's kind of where things end it is at some point after this that janus takes upon herself to report this what they did to the police in exchange for immunity for being a participant in all this again she probably wasn't happy with her marriage she was fucking stealing the second ex-slave to go drinking at hooters to like tell them about their marriage like it wasn't like a happy situation no she's i mean she's obviously a criminal but yeah she's a horrible person

like but like you feel kind of bad for her as well sort of almost sort yeah like maybe on like day three but then like day bigillion no yeah so Cameron's arrested he ends of going on trial again Janice gets full immunity on this and in 1985 Cameron received 74 years in prison. He was actually released Taylor in 2021, yes. He was released in 2021 to a state hospital, like a psych ward. Okay, few.

I'm not like working at this Starbucks. No, no, he's not your neighbor. But this part's crazy. Because I didn't know any of this until I researched it. Because I didn't research it because of the timing of it. He's researched because I thought it was an interesting case. In October of this year, in two months from now, he's set to go on trial again. What?

The state of California, the prosecution, wants him labeled as what is called, quote, a sexually violent predator. They don't want him to get this parole release into general populace. They want him to get this status, which would revoke his parole and put him back into prison. And it's literally happening in two months and four days from the day we're recording this podcast. Crazy. Wow. Crazy timing. So, Collie moved on with her life.

She still lives in California. She's working with abused women in shelters. She had a string of marriages and kids and has grandkids now and basically moved on and has a relatively normal life. It sounds like Janice did the same. Janice got full immunity. She lived somewhere in California and nobody really knows what's one on her. Yeah. Yeah.

She's fine. She's good. She's still alive. That's bullshit. Yeah. And then to your earlier point, Taylor, I started looking into this. It was like, I was like looking into sex slavery in general. And getting an accurate statistic on it is obviously super, super hard because all, like, this stuff is meant to be hidden, right?

Right. Of course. You're not going to like, I mean, I'm sure there's a dark web where they're talking about it, but you're not going to like put on your resume. Yeah. Yeah, so the the rough consensus is, and this is why it's so broad, the consensus here is that at minimum, there's about 15,000, and maximum there's about 50,000 women and children who are forced into this situation every year in the U.S. 15 to 50,000. What? Yeah, every year.

Oh my God. And like, again, I'm, I'm pretty dead set on the FBI seizing my computer because I kept Googling, this and i literally googled the term quote how many people caught with sex dungeons end quote like i'm going away for for life i'm sure but here's the five results that i got the first five results so the first one fbi uncover uncovers national sex dungeon ring so in this situation there was four dudes random dudes totally uh did not know each other all of them had built sex dungeons at their homes and it tried to contract with an undercover FBI agent to buy women for their dungeon. These four were the ones who actually went so far as to withdraw,

usually about $10,000, that's what it cost to buy a human, withdrew $10,000 in cash, met up with this guy, handed them the money and said, give, like, here's the money, give me a woman. Those were the four that took that step. A hundred other people inquired into buying a woman. A hundred. Like, it's crazy. That's crazy. And again, like, they searched the... These guys get arrested.

They all got, like, seven to nine years, some shit like that. But the FBI actually searched through their house. They had built sex dungeons. Like, legitimately had sex dungeons at their homes. And those guys are working at Starbucks. It's weird. Right? They're just, like, I'm the train.

I'm not, like, I'm not, like, trying to, like, prejudice this but I looked at a lot of mug shots if a guy if a guy looks unfuckable to you

he might have a sex dungeon because they are all unfuckable looking guys like they all they god like how do you describe them like they all have like that weird

neck fat that has like more hair on that it has on in their face they're all just gross looking virgin dweeb fucking dip shit they're probably getting on like a bunch of insult words yeah flabby they're like they're like they're they're losers like i don't know why they're able to own homes by homes they look like fucking like just sexual deviants like i don't like all your so women i will say this i can speak to the women directly, I think. All your prejudices of men are true. If a dude looks like a fucking rapist, he's probably a rapist. Look at the mugshots of these people. Just Google, again, you can have a computer seize at the same time that mine gets used. Just Google sex dungeon

cot or whatever. And then- Incognito window. I did all of it incognito. And then go to the images. tell me if any of those guys look fuckable none of them taylor's literally looking up sex dungeon caught i mean i guess i think i did oh my god i do see one yes but i also like i also believe that like if you have a good personality okay okay do this look up ariel castro aerial castro is the quintessential one of these dudes okay that guy's 100% unfuckable look up look up look up look up a picture of Leonard lake again a guy who had a fucking sex dungeon on a ranch yes I get I doubt 100% no ears they all look like this they all uniformly have a round face

weird small beady eyes a little too much fatter that like they're all like anyways all your prejudices are error or or or accurate So carrying on. Being a woman is so hard. Everyone's trying to murder you. This goes on. So number two, the number two story was hotel owner arrested on sex trafficking charges dash had sex dungeon.

This guy had also retained an undercover police officer to buy him a woman to put into an actual dungeon that he constructed. The third result was an article on the second, the second guy who got 29 years in prison for trying to buy a woman. there's an article that was from october of 2022 that's the fourth result it was a guy in missouri who had a 22 year old girl chained in his basement in missouri number five was a story from 2003 this was a guy this is a handyman in york a 67 year old handyman in york who kidnapped and held up to five women intermittently captive in his underground dungeon i mean it's just so scary there i remember it's one time this is this is not scientific, but they like found some bones of a missing woman, but when they

are missing girl, but when they found the bones, the DNA matched her, but they were older. So like she had been kept for like 10 years and then ran away and died. This list, like the Google search results of woman sex dungeon captive that are not porn related is like fucking, like you could spend years just reading these articles. And I was thinking myself, I was actually thinking myself, I was actually thinking myself, I was like, the last time I heard a story like this was Ariel Castro. Ariel Castro, I think that for the general public, that's the last time we heard a story of a sex dungeon guy getting caught.

And I was just like, why aren't we like hearing this stuff? I was like, dude, maybe we're just like short circuit a wire. Like, this seems like it's so common that they're getting caught so frequently. They're like, we're just like, eh, it's boring. Fucking old news. I think I legitimately think it's just old news and we're just like bored of hearing about it. But it sounds like it's happening a lot. So when just fucking Carrie Mace,

carry pepper spray, the guy that gives you weird vibes, you are right. Do not fucking go home with them. Definitely. If it gives you weird vibes, he's weird. Trust your gut. Trust your gut. Always.

Always. Always, always, always. Yeah, I also am seeing so much stuff on Instagram of like, you know, men being like, oh, like, I, you know, went for a walk at midnight in the city. It was so nice. And women being like, fuck you. you know like we can't do that yeah it's so dangerous yeah also I wouldn't go for a

fucking walk because I'm also down a mark it's like it's true like also those guys are kind of dumb it's like I'm not gonna like you remember when we're living in L.A. and people would come in to like do trainings and they're like yeah I just went for a walk and like I just ended up in Skid Row and it's like dude I wouldn't go to fucking Skid Row with a machete a gun and grenades on me like I remember I tried to walk through Skid Row one time I didn't try but I was like I was so used to New York being like oh this thing's a mile away I'm going to walk there you know. And like one of my first weeks or months in LA, I joined like the Planned Parenthood like council and I was going to a meeting that we had. It was like a mile from the office.

And I was like, oh, I just have to walk up here. And people were like, no, Kyle drove me there. He was like, absolutely not. No, get in my car. And he wouldn't let me, wouldn't let me walk there. And I was like, oh, I thought I could. He was like, nope. I was like, oh, okay. Well, I think that's how most people end up walking through Skid Row's because they just like Google it and they're like, but Google got smart. And later on, they actually put on the map that this is skid row like they wrote skid row on it like i'm not trying to like be shitty about like people are poor people have substance whatever like humans or humans but you also don't need to like invite being fucking murdered assaulted and killed it's your life yes please so yeah that's the um the

red flag when a guy gives you a creepy vibe go with it because maybe he's having an off date maybe he's dope as shit but why risk it why risk it exactly there's yeah there's plenty of people out there who do construction and carpentry for good for good yes they're not building a fence but but if they do end up you know if there's a murder of suicide at least you know that he can build your baby a coffin which is kind of nice I don't love it now I'm trying to look at the bright side of everything Taylor so that's my story um Taylor I just oh what did you think what did you think of it like do you remember this story at all or no I do I think I remember the box part like in the middle of it and that just scares me so much i think i've talked about this

before that like being buried alive was something that i was like legit worried about in the 80s because that was like all over the place so people get kidnapped and buried alive i don't know i feel like it was like on tv all the time um so just like being in that coffin for years essentially it's so scary oh my god yeah not a fan not a fan it's actually one of my worst um fears ever like i I don't even know how I'd possibly cope with that, but it's not like she did. I mean, you know, we were, humans are adaptable and she ended up kind of like being okay with it and fall in love with the guy. And do you really, I mean, again, if it wasn't for Janus, he would never would have gotten caught

for this at least. So. Anyways. That's our story for today on the true crime front. I think we've sufficiently terrified everybody into not getting into strangers' cars or trust in the dude who's fucking kind of weird i hope nobody's doing that please don't do that don't do it yeah um i have one listener mail um i had posted oh i went to the natural history museum in los angeles on thursday with my kids and i was in the like early human section and i did

a tic-tok super cool of me come super cool um but they it was like all the stuff that we learned it was like homo erectus homo habilis homo rodolphus and like it was like they was like they They had the models of all the different skulls of the different types of humans. So I was like taking pictures of that and like talking about it. So I think it was cool that I feel like I knew a little bit about it when I was looking at it. And then our friend Andrea, who we used to work with reminded me of the time that we were forced to watch a 20-hour video about human evolution to build websites. What was the point of that? I was I was on maternity leave, so I didn't do it either.

But like they were like, we need to think about people as like, I have. I honestly don't, don't fucking know. Man, we've had some weird experiences, Taylor. I think we're so, I think we're so close because we trauma bonded from our previous life. Definitely, definitely plausible. Some weird ass shit, man. Yeah, so anyway, she reminded me of that and we were laughing about it.

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