Doomed to Fail - Ep 44: Unimaginable Cruelty - The Chilling Tale of Nurse Lucy Letby

Episode Date: August 30, 2023

This week’s true crime story is about murdering nurse Lucy Letby and the history of infanticide. We don’t know why anyone would ever hurt a baby - at the end of this convo, we have no answers; we are just exhausted and so sad. This is a recent story of a nurse gone bad… and you are supposed to trust your hospital staff - especially with lives. We mean, that’s obvious, which makes it so much more tragic. Our hearts hurt. Pictures of calming landscapes via #midjourney #ai because we do not believe #lucyletby’s face needs to be seen anymore. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail]  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In a matter of the people of the state of California, first is Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A. 019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Sweet. And we are back on Wednesday to discuss a true crime, doomed to fail relationship. Taylor, how are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. Are you still drinking your cayenne chocolate milkshake pepper? No, no, I'm just really just drinking. this iced coffee. I drink my ice coffee and my smoothies out of cocktail shakers because it makes me feel fancy. It is fancy. That is a very retro thing and you are a very retro person,

so it all kind of adds up. Thank you. Welcome. I hope you're going to go get an espresso martini later today. I don't even know where I would get one in this town. Make your own. I guess what I had vodka and espresso. I don't know. I don't know what martis are made of. I don't know what. Bermuth. I know. Bermuth. I know vermouth goes in a martini so um in an espresso martini you can't do that you go i'll look it up i'll report back at the end of this sweet um so i'm gonna go ahead and start my topic and i actually similar to taylor's topic earlier this week have like a bit of a educational component to mine because i like to educate and entertain we are edutainment after all and i want to start with the logic of what

how i landed on the topic that i'm going to be discussing today and then discussing it and then everybody applauding it and saying how great it is interviewing it five stars on podcast or use so i'm going to start putting out the disclaimer that i have not seen barbie yet and like it's not for any specific reason whatsoever it's just like this point everybody that i would want to see that movie with has already seen it and so i was like dude like you can't go into the Barbie movie, like looking the way you look. It's like going to Chuck E. Cheese alone. Like it just will look weird and like I don't belong there and I'm very susceptible to that kind of judgment. Jimmy and looking like a super young 25 year old.

That's a super young 25 year old. Like a new vile, fresh face, funny-tailed. Like you do. Yes, I do. But I did the next best thing to watching the Barbie movie, which was go on Wikipedia and read the entire pot. of the movie. Love it. I do that sometimes as well. And I basically, I deduced that it ends with this like matriarchical versus patriarchal kind of issue, discussion, debate around how we structure society. So, because I'm a true feminist, I decided to focus my research this week on female true crime subjects. Cool. On the interest of balancing the equities amongst the genders. Because, ladies and gentlemen, men are not the only ones who are absolute fucking monsters.

For anybody who has seen Barbie, I can, as far as is talking to me from his office where there's a, like a bull skull behind him, and he very much lives in a mojo, dojo casa house, if that is something that makes sense to you. What's Mojo Dojo? That's an in song. You're insulting me on my birthday. Ken turns Barbies, you're right, I'm sorry. Ken turns Barbie's dream house into a Mojo Dojo Casa house, house, which is like a house house, which is like a house. pictures of horses all over it. Like they're like, I'm like I'm going to say dojo and Kasa and

house that he's like, it's a house. I can do whatever I want. Like, okay, okay. So we like convert it's like Ted Turner at some point of the movie. Exactly. He's like, wearing it for coat and has a cowboy head on and there's like saloon doors. I feel like you'd get. Got it. Got it. Got it. So I've seen this screenshot before and now you're helping me place that. Thank you. So, yes, we're going to be discussing, well, one in particular, but there's several others I'm also going to bring up during this conversation. So I'm also going to do something kind of unique, and wait a no, I just rambled on about that, ignore this part, but the main point is that I'm going to focus my research, or I did focus my research of all these stories on a very common thread, which is the concept of infanticide.

Right. Joy to the... So... You are a true feminist, for us. A true feminist. Hey, it's like, it's like being pro choice, except maybe like a little bit past being pro choice. So... Okay, go ahead.

So we're going to go into the history of infanticide, reasons why people commit it, and then cover several cases of it. Although... just by doing some cursory research it is clear that infanticide is like way more common than it should have been i'm going to be talking about four cases one primary case of it and then three others just like as an aside just to show how this works out but there's so many there's so many cases it is it is crazy how common it is like for people to kill babies which is like not great also i'm going to start off by saying i'm not a scientist good yeah so that you know that's good that's for the best so as a research because to your point with like

everything you research it's like there's people who've dedicated their entire lives like every variation in infanticide from the beginning of human society based on different cultures based on political geopolitic it is a big topic yeah i'm going to just kind of blow through it and also i'm going to actually categorize it in a ways that they don't because i think i'm smarter than them So I'm going to have my own structure of how I'm going to discuss this. Great. Great. Continue to mansplain this to the scientists.

So I'm going to, I'm going to do a sorting of infanticide. I'll start by just saying that infant, is babies okay? Yeah, yeah, no. I was trying to see if I have my sweatshirt that says on Wednesdays we smash the patriarchy, but I don't have it in this room with me, but I was going to put it on. It's Sunday. It doesn't work. It's a mean girl's joke.

Continue. Okay. So if it's not obvious, infanticide is the intentional killing of an infant. Not necessarily yours. It's just a killing of an infant. Obviously, because humans are awful, the killing of babies has been a thing since we've had humans and we've had babies. Yep.

This is where the non-scientist part of me is going to share my hot take on this. And in some cases, I'm going to say that it kind of makes sense to me. I'm not saying it's good. or that I condone it. But for example, in like the 1200s, when you were living in feudal England and you were farming the land and eating your shoe leather to survive, and you had a child born with a bunch of deformities, and you don't even have enough resource to cover the existing family, then you're like, oh, well, it was not uncommon to kill that baby to preserve resources, because it would never grow up to be, like, productive on a farm situation. I'm not saying it's good. No, I understand. I understand.

I get the, I get it. Okay. Yeah. Similarly, on the resource constraint justification for this, twins or triplets were not like a blessing back in the day. There was like, those were like, oh shit moments. Like a terrifying surprise. A horrible, horrible surprise because you're like, whoa. So I got to deal with all the resource issues I already had times two or three. Like it was awful.

My aunt Kathy had twins in like 1975 and they didn't know that they were twins. That's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah. So that was another situation. situation where when in the old days, if you had more than one child born at the same time, you just killed one of them. You killed all but one of them, basically. So getting, I'm on a pivot real quick. I'm laughing. I'm laughing to stop myself from screaming. So I just continue. No, it's

fine. Can't go ahead. If someone's like, I can't think I'm laughing at this. Like you're not, you don't get it. I can go. If you need a scream. If you need a scream, you scream. So, again being a non-scientist the two classifications of half this are just understandable versus not understandable so we just covered the understandable version of this i'm gonna go into a non-understandable version of this so fun fact native americans would often kill their infants who were born of a mixed race or mixed ancestry so for example if it was like two tribes and like they interbred they would kill one that was not like this is this one blows you away again humans have always been like this like humans have always been like this it doesn't matter what race what that none of that

matters then there's the case of sex selective in fantasize which we discussed in the surrender coldly episode which obviously it's like you know when i found this really interesting i went into like the China one one child policy thing and there's a huge difference in China in the number of boys and number of girls and the reason is this because they instituted this one child policy and so they would just if they had a daughter they would just kill the kid over and over and over and over again until they got a boy and now and now you're like you have a lopsided gender balance and and i was like somebody who did this had to have known that this would be the outcome i don't know the culture but i would assume that it's common enough to where now you have this

law cited gender issue so they had to have known something when they wrote this law now they changed it to child so hopefully that's less of a thing then there's the craziest version of infanticide which is the killing of someone else's child for basically no reason whatsoever those are bad we don't like those at all I like this. Yes. These are some strong stances that I think make a lot of sense. I'm a scientist, damn it. So that has to do with science, but like, continue. I don't know. I don't know either. I just say things. So this was in the news as of last week, the concept of infanticide due to the case of Lucy Lettby. Is this out familiar?

Is she a nurse? Yes. They're all there. We're going to start with her as the main anchor story for today's topics. So Lucy was born in the UK in January of 1990. So she's young. She's 33 years old. Like you can look her up. She looks like a regular 33 year old. Lucy had wanted to be a nurse all of her life.

And specifically, she wanted to be a neonatal nurse. The reason being that she wanted this specific type of job is that apparently her birth was super difficult. And her parents and her herself credit her being alive to the nurses that were there, what her mom gave birth and kind of brought her back to life and was able to be a normal healthy baby as she grew up. So she goes to school to become registered nurse and begins working in the neonatal unit of a hospital in 2012. Apparently the neonatal units or NICU at a hospital isn't uniformly of the same intensity. Did you know this, Saylor? I didn't know this.

No, what do you mean? You can finish that sentence, though. So there's, so just because you're in the NICU, just because being a baby in the NICU or being a nurse in the NICU doesn't mean that you're dealing with like consistently the same pattern of issues. Like they break it down into separate levels. I felt like intensive care is intensive care. But that's not the case of babies. With babies in the UK, so the U.S. has four levels. The UK has three levels.

Level one babies, these are ones that they need more care than a normal baby but are otherwise stable. So like maybe like you're like a two week preemie or. You don't mean? Like you're not that bad of shape. On average, the average NICU nurse can handle four of these, like per shift. So they have an easier time with these kids. Level two babies in the NICU, these need advanced life support to maintain their stability.

NICU nurses are limited to two babies per shift. They can only handle two. Then you're the most intense. are level three where these are like super premature babies they require constant monitoring constant supervision that is a one-to-one thing and that's how the niki kind of breaks down okay so being assigned to level three is kind of a show of confidence in a nurse saying we think that you can handle the worst the worst the worst the worst we're putting all of our confidence you to do it right right in 2015 lucy was assigned to start working on level three babies

she had mentioned before that she needed the rush that the level three was like the hardest of the hard cases it did something to her she didn't want boring cases she wanted like the most intense shit going on around her that same year lucy was responsible for taking care of a baby boy who was basically stable and by all accounts mostly okay like shouldn't have just died unsuspectingly lucy was working the night shift at that time and so the day nurse was told Lucy about what her observations were, what to expect, basically just a full synopsis debrief of where this kid's at and what to look out for. 26 minutes later, after Lucy takes over, she calls in a doctor as the baby health starts rapidly deteriorating, and this baby that was mostly stable just dies out of the blue. The day nurse, when she found out about this the next day, was completely shocked because she was, you know, I mean, look, like, I did it in a number. nurses to understand like you you did a sense of like okay like this is where this is going to

end like it's such say like sometimes they're like yeah we know that this person is probably going to die or we know that this person is pretty stable like there's a consistent thing that they totally get and this nurse was shocked that this kid was dead because nothing would have indicated to where that this would happen the doctor who attended to the baby noticed some blue and white mottling on the baby which i didn't know what motling meant so i looked at what motling meant Motling means you know that weird skin complexion some people get where like their skin looks like super white in spots but then super dark in other spots and usually seems like super pale people the most part I mean so that's what it is and what that shows is there's a disruption in blood flow to the vessels that are underneath the skin something happened where that that blood vessel stop producing enough oxygen going to the skin so we're going to refer to this this baby as child a, which is how reports about this incident and the trial itself classified all of them. So all of the babies are classified from child A to child Q. We are not discussing

child T S P. Yes, we are not discussing all of those. We're going to go as far. I think I got as far as P. Yeah, I think I got a sports B because some of them she was not convicted of, but that they're still investigating so oh my god well well that's how we refer to these kids now because obviously nobody wants to be public child they had a twin sister we're going to call child b oh no a little after a day from child a's death child b also died after the first death the parents spent every moment they could with child b like they were so be grieved they were they were they were beneath them besides themselves and so they were like we got to spend every second we have with this kid. This one was fine and it just died out of the blue. So we got to do

something to make sure we get as much time with this one as possible. The nurses at this hospital were like, guys, you really got to go home and rest. Like you've been here too long. And so they tell them to go rest. Lucy was the nurse that was responsible for child B. During a designated feeding time where Lucy had custody of the baby, this one suddenly died without warning. Again, no indication why I would die. the saddest thing I've ever heard. This story is, this is, you look at her picture and you read what she did, it gets so much worse.

I'm going to continue. So in the case of child B, when they autopsy the baby, they realized the child for sure had been injected with air. There was like, I don't know how they know, but like there's something about like your blood vessels change or whatever, and that's how they realize this kid had been injected with air and i didn't actually know what air in your blood vessels does but it's like super bad for you so right that's why they like do that thing yeah you know what i mean no well yeah yeah yeah to like a to like a shot the air bubble out yeah so i look this up so an air bubble in your veins can cause

heart attack stroke brain damage it can kill you in several different ways and if it doesn't kill you it'll horribly debilitate you because imagine like what it can do is go into your heart block a vessel so that by the time you're able to like un lodge it you've lost blood motion or whatever oxygenation to your organs and so you're brain dead so it didn't even matter that they got out of your system anyways so that's what they discovered had happened with a child b days after child b dies child c dies as well this one was not under lucy's care but she was literally witnessed standing over the child when he coded coding means like He goes, like, beep, beep, beep, boo, it does that.

She was standing over the kid when it coded. Days later, child D dies from when an autopsy revealed was air injected into a bloodstream. Again, the autopsy pieces, like, that is the parent saying, yes, cut my child's open. That's why, like, some have autopsies and some don't, because at this point, they don't know to suspect anything wrong. And so they have to ask the, you want us to cut your baby open. Like, someone were like, no, justifiably, right? yeah so the suspicious death stopped for about a month until early august of 2015 when a mother came in to check on her baby child e and saw that he was bleeding from the mouth and then he died later that day child e's twin brother child f suffered a sudden drop in blood pressure with a horribly elevated heart rate later that day hess would reveal that he had extremely high quantities of insulin in this system which was something that it was not even medicate it was done a prescription there was no reason why he should have any insulin

artificially injected into his body and he did that's what caused this that happened that one actually survived that baby survived is okay does he have like problems that one's okay this one's not so in september so a month after what she did to child f happened the nursing were celebrating the hundredth day of life for child g so again we're in the level three unit these people are excited when these kids make it right so it was a hundred days after this kid should have been dead so this was a three-month preemie this is a three-and-a-half month preemie so i don't know much about babies but i assume that's pretty bad three-and-a-month sounds like it's pretty bad right yeah yeah so they were celebrating this kid's life so the nurses

had made banners for him and there was cake and they were trying to celebrate this baby's life with the parents and its recovery and all that stuff shortly after the baby's health monitor goes critical and doctors revived her this started 15 minutes after lucy had started feeding her they didn't know what lucy did to this baby but later on at trial the expert testimony was that she had apparently force fed this baby so much milk down her meat feeding to try and kill it and her body just couldn't handle it they ascertained this because the distance of her projectile vomiting was so profound, given how smaller body was, given that she was a three-month pre-me, that they're like, the only way this could have happened was because of some mechanical thing, like, you try to stuff

way too much water in a balloon and just like first. Like, that's what was going on with this kid. That's what she was trying to do with. It's terrible. It's horrible. It's horrible. That child survived, but was disabled. I don't know exactly why force feeding a baby would disable it. I didn't, the details didn't weren't provided for that, but it was noted that this child was disabled as a result of this. Yeah, they're, I mean, they're, um, I mean, like the, when you first have a baby, they tell you the baby's stomach is like the size of a walnut, barely, you know, like, it's very small. So like, it would, it would potentially, like, I think with anyone, you like, people die from, like, drinking too much water, you know, like, that's, like,

thing but like i think that it probably my guess being someone who's actually babies that expanded their stomach to like it couldn't handle it yeah yeah well the baby survived it's just it was just like horribly disabled so i would assume that means that maybe the stomach burst and they she has to use some sort of a bag or i don't know it's awful whatever it is it's awful so that was child g child i died in october this is like month month month month notice i start with august August, September. Now we're a child eye in October. Lucy was seen hanging around this child's incubator, and another nurse says that Lucy told her that baby looked pale, even though they were standing in the doorway of the nursery, and the nursery lights were off. Like, it was a creepy thing to be like, notice how the baby looks pale? It's like, what are you talking about? Like, we can't even see the kid. And long story short was that that baby also ends up dying. And Lucy is the one who so this was noted by the mother so that child dies they don't know what happened to it apparently when a child dies in this situation the nurse will like bathe the child and then like

you know give the parents time with it before it's off to whatever and so lucy was noted as bathing this child while she was like smiling and like she looked like she was like having a good time like she was enjoying this she also asked the mom if she wanted her to take dead pictures of her with her dead baby. Like it was like a weird thing that stood out to the mom and stood out to other nurses that were kind of on station there. The autopsy for this one revealed that the injuries were consistent with having been injected with air.

So that's early October. In late October, management of the hospital started growing concerns. And it was during this period that they noticed that Lucy was always on duty when terrible things happened to these kids. Doctors wanted management to take action, but we're apparently told not to make a fuss about this because it would make us all look bad to make the hospital look bad. We're having so many times. Every you hear these stories about doctors messing up, same with priests.

It's like, let's move them to a different hospital or different church or whatever. We don't want to get in trouble. Taylor, you were 100% you're 100% stepping on this. So that was that was October. These doctors kept asking for more meetings with management to be like, guys, like we got to do something. We got to do something. Nothing happened until April.

So in April of 2016, that is. that is when Lucy was moved to the day shift and then lo and behold nobody's babies dies nobody's die the night shift so days after she has moved to the day shift child m and his twin brother child l's vitals suddenly crash and they had to be revived one was presumed to have been injected with insulin and the other was presumed to have been injected with air. A month later, in May, another emergency meeting was called by doctors of the management to discuss all these suspicious death, and apparently nothing came out of that conversation either. Then in June, again, a month later, Lucy seems to have escalated her method of killing

or trying to kill. This was intense. This is like where she's like fucking ballistic. This is when she physically starts attacking babies. Like, I mean, she was physically attacking them anyways, but this is more like blunt force trauma attacking the child. So I was like, I wrote, I was like dude what an insane thing to like write down and then read into a microphone that's when she starts physically attacking the babies oh my god so child n suffered trauma to his throat nurses just heard him screaming and when they rush and they notice swelling in his throat and blood splutter around the mouth the assumption being that she'd put her arm her form on this baby's neck and just kind of held it there but they don't know they don't know for sure what happened

with this kid it's just like he suffered bad bad injuries to his throat on june 23rd and june 24th this is the final attempts that we know of occurred these were a set of triplets two of which were killed out of there was three there two were killed child oh one of the triplets child oh his vitals dropped and it was recommended by a junior nurse to lucy who was a senior nurse on staff to move the child to a more intensive part of the of the unit and lucy disagreed surely there after the child dies an autopsy of this child would reveal evidence of air being injected into his body in liver damage that was reported to be consistent with what you would see in a car crash oh my god so she did something to this kid beyond just like like like blood

forced trauma to i don't know how much is a newborn weight are they like eight pounds like what do you yeah no do this to like a crazy and this way like this is where like the escalation really picked it up 13 minutes later after this child is dead lucy is feeding child p which is the other triplet when he also goes critical and a doctor's examination revealed that his diaphragm was shattered and this baby died before they before this baby died doctors have requested an ambulance to take him to a different hospital because presumably they had some facility there that was better than the hospital he was currently in. When the hospital arrived, child people was already dead.

The parents, the parents begged the management of the of the hospital to let them take their surviving triplet to this other hospital and they did. And this is where, like this is part like my hair stand up. This is when everybody looked around was like, oh, fuck, like this, this chick's nuts. like this these babies have injuries consistent with like a car crash right and they die within 13 minutes you're like this is what this is one like everybody was like we can't just pretend this isn't happening anymore so cameras in like the nursery where is she with them i don't know i don't yeah i don't know if i mean it shouldn't be cameras yeah that's good

question i don't know she would do she would also do a lot of things where she would falsify records so for example she would do um she would change like feeding times to times when she wasn't on shift or she would change the name of the nurse that was during feeding she would try to do things like obfuscate her involvement that were like but there were witnesses so people were like yeah that was lucy like you know the one consistent thing was it was always lucy was there so still let him around babies yeah yeah and in this situation with these triplets that was kind of the final straw where everybody looks around and looks at lucy and they're like oh shit we have a huge problem here at this point it almost felt like she wasn't even really trying to cover it up because

again these two in particular were violent deaths like they they like she fucked these kids up like which is a horrible way to put it but like she really damaged them badly physically so this was different than the other ones where a lot of times it would crash and then they'll be revived there was no reviving these kids their their bodies were destroyed and so this is where things kind of stepped up and it would be three weeks after these kill the deaths of these triplets that she was formally removed from the hospital and then all the deaths stopped for context i look this up that hospital had two baby deaths in the preceding five years before lucy like this volume of deaths was like way outside the dorm so it would take about a year after lucy was discharged

when she was arrested. She was arrested in July of 2018. She was originally arrested on eight counts of murder, six attempted murder. But as the investigation dragged on, the charges kept bracken up, she ended up somewhere around seven charges of murder and 15 of attempted murder. Her trial began in October of 2022, and she pled not guilty. During the trial, it was revealed that people who worked at the hospital had suspected Lucy pretty early on and argued with management to have her removed the obvious reason why everyone suspected lucy like i mentioned before was that on every one of these 25 suspicious incidents of a child dying or almost dying lucy was there and when she wasn't there nothing happened which is like a pretty big obvious

so obvious again when you're in the hospital like you trust you trust that the nurse is not going to kill your fucking baby that's the point that like That's part that, like, suck the worst reading about, was the story of, like, the triplet parents, because they were like, the parents were like, this isn't normal. Like, we're not doctors, but this is not normal. Both, two of our kids had no issues they died.

Give us the other one. We don't care that it needs support right now. We have to take it out of this hospital. You guys are killing our kids. Like, it's crazy. Yeah. Oh my God. So on August 18th of this year, Lucy,

so like literally a week ago. I can't believe it just happened. It just happened. i saw it on the news yeah she was found guilty of seven counts of murder and seven counts of attempted murder there's actually additional cases because she worked at another hospital before this where there's a large number of child deaths so they're like looking at those cases too to see like where she might have fit in there as well she ended up getting what's called a um a whole life term which is life without the opportunity for parole and she is the fourth woman in the history of the uk to receive

that sentence alongside myra henley rosemary west and joanna denah it's crazy God, crazy. The list of buddies. Horrible, horrible. So motive-wise, several things have been positive. One was that she was really infatuated with this one doctor who was also, it was a married doctor who worked at the hospital. And he was on the unit, was regularly the one that was called in when a child went

critical. And this was like her way of trying to be around him or whatever. Another one was there was a written note that detectives found that basically talked about how jealous Lucy was that she would never, she would tell how I'm never going to be able to get married and have my own family and have my own kids so there's like a jealousy thing of like fuck these people for having i don't know like it's hard to nail down like i think that sometimes people are just fucked in the head and there's no fixing them and i think lucy kind of fits into that category yeah what do you think she did it because she could like power i don't know

yeah you know because she like because i mean it sounds like so violent though but why would you go in and be like i was saved by nick you nurse and but i and then like maybe feeling like she could never save a baby or maybe did she want to save a baby at any time that was one thing too they found yeah one thing they found too was that um that she wrote that she's not good enough and she doesn't deserve to be like in charge of these kids and it was like a weird it was a weird she was right she's not good enough like she nailed that part but i feel like sometimes people like i don't know i have no i can't think of an example but like in the hospitals they'll like make someone sick and then make them better you know and then yeah be like oh i i saved this person they were

like dying but like they're the ones who did it so but it doesn't sound like she ever had any intention of saving them no she couldn't she couldn't because like what she would do to them would require like doctors and surgery like it was like drastic medical intervention so yeah she seems like a fucking crazy bitch that's what she kind of sounds like what a crazy bitch i don't i don't understand like i just obviously thank you for me i would never heard a baby but the idea of like punching a baby you know what is you doing dude i was researching this it was like your computer is for sure being tracked like for sure being tracking i was looking up like dead babies question mark like like the worst shit but like this so

So what was wild about this was that as I researched this and you just link out from one one case, the next case, the next case, there's so many that came up. Like it was such a common thing. And here's like three that came up immediately. Another one was Beverly Allitt. The reason this one came up was that it was as presumed that Lucy looked at, understood Beverly Allitt's case because her murder methods were the same. She would inject air and then inject insulin. And so this was also a British nurse, but she was convicted of killing four infants. Like only only like you know, like compared to what Lucy did where like now they're thinking

that it could be as high as 23 that she killed or tried to kill. Like it's, but in with Lucy's case, it happened in like a year and a half. That was so fast. So like Jeffrey Dahmer took like 10 years to build up a 12 body count. this was like every other day hours one was 13 minutes from one to the next it was crazy that is crazy like killing adults doesn't happen that fast no no and then there was another person in japan so this was Mia Miyuki Ishikawa she was a midwife who was convicted of killing five babies and died of killing 27 and police think she probably killed as much as as a high as 84

babies oh my god and then you know luckily so much so much work to have a baby for that baby to fucking get killed in the hospital crazy unbuthful crazy especially those triplets is that one triplets still alive one trillets still alive yeah yeah because the parents were like give me the thing i don't care like put it in like a breadbatch and it's like race home with it like it's better than being yeah a hundred percent think about that you like it's like a house of horrors where you're like my baby's fine and then its diaphragm has been shattered and it's not breathing anymore and then 13 translator's like that baby's fine and his fucking liver has been lacerated and it's not breathing it's like

what do you it's like a house of whore it's crazy i can't believe it's awful oh my god and the last one i looked up these would all be cases on their own was jane jones she was an american nurse who was convicted of killing two babies but it is thought that she could have killed as many of 60 because again these people don't get caught because the way they kill them is like so like nefarious it's like an air bubble it's you know what i mean it's not like except for lucy's last you it's not like you just bashed them in the head with a crowbar like there's there's nothing there to witness yeah but it's just like it seems like if there's a pattern there's a pattern you know yeah yeah that's so terrible yeah i realized that like we shouldn't i was like if i have a kid i'm just gonna like stick with it the entire time it's in the hospital

they do that now parents do that for the most part like your baby very rarely leaves you it leaves you i mean when it leaves you it goes with a nurse but it leaves you to like get his hearing tested when you first have it and like that's it and then it has like i mean for like kidnapping reasons there's like a it has like a angle monitor on you know like one took florence out of the room i was in two seconds before we all left and somebody stopped him and they were like what are you doing with that baby and he was like it's not maybe we all have you all have your matching things and they scan you like oh this is these people are allowed to be around this baby and that's for like i said the kids

napping but like you do give the baby to the nurse every once in a while and you trust them hey what do they do with the hearing test how do they check the hearing i have no idea why can't you do that in the room there's like a machine they like it's like one of the first things that they do that because they have to take them out so to take them out and do like a hearing test and that's the only one that they take the baby away for so that i assume it's like a big machine to make sure that the baby can hear i don't know how they test it asking some questions i don't know weird okay Yeah, well, it was an awful story. It was awful as I was reading it because I was just thinking about how it's like every day.

It's like you wake up with the morning, like, I'm going to kill a baby this morning. It's like, how do you, like, it's crazy to like think about what this woman's like brain. I mean, there's other, like, what does she, like, is there anything else that she, like, says about it? No, no, she's not, she's not, yeah, she denied doing any of it. And she said that this is all abnormalities at the hospital and people were trying to falsify her records and whatever. but like they found it was so obviously there was like no doubt that she did it because like when they went and investigated her house and searched her house under her bed were like trash bags of this confidential information that's like hostile information about these babies of the ones that she like killed or tried

to kill and so it's just like come on man like there's no denying like and they that's the trophy thing of the serial killer is like that's the way that she was trying to collect the trophy of every single time she killed one of these kids was bring home some confidential hospital based information about that child So, not good. Not good. I'm looking at a video of her trial, it's delightful that in the UK and the judge still wears a wig. Oh my God, I love that. The one curls, right? Do you have curlers in? Mm-hmm. What? Okay. Some of her friends are like, she didn't do it.

And then she leaves post-it notes that said, I did this. I'm evil. Yeah, exactly. Oh, is what has the word hate, really big circles. Oh, God. The initials of the baby would be on our calendar. So on the days that the baby has died, she would have the initial of the baby on the calendar. Oh, my God.

Obviously, it's speculated because it could have been any two letters. You know what I mean? Like, it's just like he's too much evidence. It's just too much evidence. They should have done something like so much sooner. Yeah, yeah. That's terrible. And the doctors wanted to.

The doctors were the ones who were like this. is crazy. This is weird. We got to do something so wild. It's just like it was like eight years ago. I don't understand how you can't do it immediately. Like I have to fucking fill out paperwork when babies are dying. Yeah. Like that doesn't make any sense. It's like totally unfair that like you can't just be like who and if she didn't do it, then who cares? She had three days off. Yeah. You know, who gives a shit. We put her on administrative leave for three days. Everybody who is around these dead babies let's put them on leave let's see if babies continue to die or like put a fucking cop cam on her you know yeah well that that was the thing i think like so when they decided they're going

to move for the day shift you know i mean that was kind of the oh shit moment which is like we can't deny this anymore because now you have three kids who went critical two who died within like a day of each other like it's obviously something's wrong that was a part of the story that like changed into like a horror movie for me was like when you look around in the daylight you're like oh my god like there's a serial killer working here first i'm having a really hard time getting images for your stories because mine i'm making like fun dumb AI images of like walk he knows and yours i'm just like not even doing it i i can't it's just like like i read every real journey uh serial killer nurse okay i'll do that i uh did a

for the every release Lori Valo and I just did a bunch of like zombies in church because I think that's funny but it's not really much else you can do yeah my my content's not exactly fun yeah it leaves uh leaves something to be desired and that something is a shower I can't do it I can't do killer I can't do killer nurse it says my prompt might be against their community standards imagine an evil nurse yeah there you go no we can't do that either imagine nurse wretched all right that one's going um yeah yuck yuck it's so sad awful story it's awful that it happened a lot it's awful that it continues to seemingly happen and if you're a parent yeah never let your kids out of your

site. Ever, not once. Fuck. Taylor, thank you for your time. I do need to get ready. I know. Wait, I have one listener mail. Do you see Kiara's email? No, I didn't. She asked us, I don't know if you forwarding works, but Kyara asked if we have any personal stories of being around

like crazy things that happened and also wants to know a little bit more about us. I thought that might be fun to do around the holidays where we can like spend a week where we don't have to frantically read a book. Yeah, let's do it. Let's set that aside for maybe the Thanksgiving holiday or something. Yeah, that'd be fine. Boo, let's throw a mail, do a Q&A. Didn't last, last podcast, I just did the Q&A.

They did. I don't mean we're going to get that many Q&A. But thank you, Kara. We will get to that. That was a good idea. That sounds like a fun thing to do. And as far as his birthday, so far as, go have brunch. And oh, I looked up as espresso martini. Excuse me.

I'm sorry. It actually says it's not a traditional martini because it doesn't have gin or for moose. but it does have vodka, espresso, and coffee, wait, espresso, coffee, liqueur, and vodka. Sweet. That works. Kaluua, espresso, and vodka. Sounds delicious. Have a great time. Thank you.

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