Doomed to Fail - Ep 54: Vanishing Voyages: The Haunting Mysteries of the Mary Celeste & MV Joyita

Episode Date: October 4, 2023

It's October, and we loooove Ghost Ships!! We're covering the most famous mystery of the high seas - the Mary Celeste. In 1872, the 100ft Brigantine (which means it was double-masted) was found floating in the open seas, the cargo was still there, and the ship wasn't sinking, but nobody was on board. The 10 people (including a 2-year-old) that had left NY for Genoa, Italy were never seen again. The story has haunted us ever since!We also talk the MV Joyita, which was found listed to the port side (that means leaning left) in 1955 - bloody bandages were on the deck & all 25 people on board were never seen again!Finally, we just talked about the 2002 movie 'Ghost Ship' and how much we love it. We also discuss the potential hotness of Gabriel Byrne.Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] Pics via the Creative Commons & Midjourney & ImdbSome sources:Abandoned Ship: The Mary Celeste | History| Smithsonian MagazineUnresolved Podcast - MV JoyitaProfessor Buzzkill - The Marie CeleseteJ. Habakuk Jephson's Statement - WikipediaOld Time Radio - the mystery of the Marie Celeste    Why Was this Huge Ship Found With Nobody On-Board?Thelma Todd (Dead Blondes Episode 2) Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

It's a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthall James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Reporting again on Wednesday. Hi, Taylor. Hi, fire. You look so different.

Do I think I look a little flushed? Keep going. I have such bad allergies right now. Like, I told you this before, like my allergies are insane. So I'm, I might be a little flush. I feel like I can't feel my nose. Are you a little drunk? I had one glass of port.

I'm drinking port, which I think is also also important for my story. But you start us off. You go. Welcome to Dune to Fail. I'm Fars, joined here by Taylor. We're going to be covering a history story here that is going to be super exciting, super fun, super interesting, super scary, super haunted, super October and super Taylor.

vibes. Are that for me? Yeah. So it's October. So I have, we have, oh, wait, do I have? Wait, I don't know, whatever. I have four spooky stories to tell you in October. This is the first one.

So number one, this is the first one. So as I said before, my drink is an empty decanter of whiskey, and then you turn around and you look at a mirror, and then you see it in the mirror and it's full. Right? you know super abstract yep yes um and i do you know what i'm doing because i made sure you did some homework and um i also because i also want to recommend a movie for each of my four scary stories so for this one um i asked you to see the movie and you were like duh i've seen that movie before which of course you have um and we're going to talk about something that we both love

and we're going to talk about go ships but yeah don't you love go ships so much I even talked to like Miles, my six-year-old son, about goships. He's like, we love talking about goships. They're so, so fun. So I have three things to three acts, deceptive to do, the Mary Celeste, which is the most famous of the goships, the M.V. Hoyita, which is another goship. And then let's just talk about the movie goship and how much we like it. Yes.

There is a movie. I literally just watched Taylor, like maybe two weeks ago, called. blood vessel but vessel is V-E-S-S-E-S-E-L and it's a Nazi ship that is boarded by people who are like soldiers on the Allied side who are I think I've seen that. And then they get on it and it's totally abandoned. It is fucking awesome. It is so fun.

It is so fun. And long story, it's like the meter, but sorry the Demeter, especially that except, oh, it's so good. I think I've seen it. Oh, my God. I'll definitely watch it again. I feel like I watched it in our like scary movie thing. But oh my God, yes. I love ghost ships. I love go ship movies. A ghost ship is essentially the ghost town of the sea. It's an empty ship that's just floating and there's still stuff on it. There might be clues, but you don't know what happened and there are no people. That's what it is. It's also hasn't sunk. So there's like thousands and thousands of ships who probably had like weird stuff happened and were abandoned but it sunk so we don't know anything about them we'd be assumed that it sunk with people on it but we don't know but in these cases we know that it didn't sink but there are no people on them you know can we talk about why they're creepy i'll tell you my story my i think it's creepy because ships are creepy fucking anyways

when you think about it like half of what you're on is underwater if you go under there like everything above you is water potentially it's just the bells and like you can't run away from things quickly because like there's always like barricades between you it's just scary the whole thing is just scary and also like any fucking thing can happen when you're out at sea you know like there's nowhere to go you can't run away like a haunted house you can leave taylor i don't even like going to the stairwell of a larger apartment building because even that's fucking speaking it's like in this like weird area that nobody should see you know that's definitely fair i used to when i worked at that hedge one that

was talking about last episode worked on the 37th floor of a big building and when you were in the bathroom or when you were in the stairwell it sounded like you were on a ship because the because the building moved as it's supposed to for like stability but you could like hear it would go like it was very scary i did not i didn't like it um so i think we talked about like how scary the sea is a couple times like we talked about it like a couple big ships that happens on my episodes like some acadian refugees never made it to louisiana they just don't know what happened to them i'm sure there's boats of like spanish friars and never made it to the new world so like there's always like shit can happen anything can happen once you're out there there's like nothing there's stars there's like

your compass but like really crazy and also like how we never found that like malaysian flight that just disappeared a few years ago like that's how big the ocean is the ocean is terrifyingly huge and you can get lost are really really easy um so these are some these are some two of my favorite go ships there are many go ships there might be explanations for them and i want to hear what you think that they might be have you heard of the mv hoita i have not cool so at least i'll tell you one you haven't heard about um but let's start with the mary celeste so the most famous ghost ship of all go ships most famous go ship um the most famous go ship um The Mary Celeste actually started out as a Canadian ship called the Amazon.

It was built in 1861. So it was built in Canada and she was a brigantine, which means she had two masts and she was built to be a cargo ship. She was 100 feet across and 25 feet wide at the widest point. She was owned by a group of people because we talked about that before. But it's a great way to invest before the stock market, before like all these things. It's like you can like buy a boat and like be a part of like. You know, it will essentially bring cargo back and forth and all the things.

So the first captain of the Amazon was a man named Robert McKellen. He was the first to sail. And on his first ship, wait, his first voyage, he died quickly. A few weeks into it, he died of like a mysterious illness. So the first captain died kind of right away. Another captain named John Parker took over. on his first way exhibition out of the Americas he hit a bunch of fishing equipment in Maine and the ship was damaged and to get it fixed before he could go any further and then when he got

to Europe he hit a boat in the English Channel and that that boat sunk so like so far not great yeah but there was a few years of like everything fine like the boat was going like from the West Indies up to like Nova Scotia, Canada, back to England and like doing this big circle through like Europe and the Atlantic. And everything was okay. In October 1867, the Amazon was wrecked on an island in Canada and left unclaimed. So it was officially called like derelict. So what you could do then is just like leave your boat if it got wrecked on the shore because I guess what are you going to do? You can't move it. and so then it goes to then can like buy it to salvage it or they can like buy it and try to fix it but like you don't own it anymore you kind of just leave it so from this story and other stories like the shores are just full of boats you know like the um the bounty was just like left on the shore to like fall apart into the ocean you know so they's kind of like leave boats at the end when they're done but um the amazon

ended up being bought by a man named Alexander McBean, who sold it to a Richard Haynes of the U.S., who spent $20,000 in today's money to fix it up. So Richard Haynes brought it to the U.S., registered it in New York, and renamed it the Mary Celeste. So I don't know why, but it was called Amazon First, and now it's the Mary Celeste. He lost it to creditors, and it was bought by another group who did more upgrades, and one of the people who was part of this new group who was the owner was Captain Benjamin Spooner Briggs and he's the one who we're going to talk about okay so Captain Briggs is from a seafaring family he's super religious which is like something that people kind of harp on later

very religious he married his cousin as you do her name was Sarah and they had two children you know why not kids are not doing great but yeah you look like you're on the The way you're drinking out of a, you're drinking out like a martini, what is that, Manhattan glass? No, it has, it has grapes and graves in it. I think it's just like a fancy wine glass. I bought it out of a thrift store. I bought like six of them. You would fit in on the ghost ship like very well, Taylor.

Oh my God, that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me. Thank you. Do you watch 1899? No. On Netflix. It's one season, but it's like about a boat and like weird stuff is happening on it. It's like not a ghost. ship. I don't know what's going on, but it's in, obviously set in 1890, but it's everyone's just like dressed so cool and amazing and like it looks, it's awesome. But thank you. So now it's 18, now it's 1872. And Captain Briggs is the captain of the Mary Celeste. This year has been, there's been bad weather all year long. It's like not been a good year for weather. Incidentally, and unrelated, Mount Vesuvius erupted in 1872.

Whoa. Like a little like lava flow eruption. But it's time to take the Marie Celeste on her first official trip. She's going to go from the U.S. to Genoa, Italy, which is like in the top left corner of Italy. So they have to go like through and into the Mediterranean Sea and up to Italy. Captain Briggs and his wife, Sarah, and their two-year-old daughter, Sophia, are the ones who are on, like the civilians on this ship. So incidentally also, Sophia actually turns two right before the voyage, and her birthday is on Halloween. Oh, wait, so is the dad and the mom second cousins with their own daughter?

God, I don't know. It's a good question. It gets confusing to me when it gets like second cousin once removed and like blah, blah, blah. But yeah, no, it's not great. If I marry my sister, do we have our own siblings as our children? You have your own nieces and nephews as their children. That's right. That's what it would be. For us, I have a sister for everyone who's worried about that question. Let's move forward.

They do leave their son behind. He's seven. They leave him behind to be in school. So there are descendants of the Briggs is alive because of the son that lived. There's also on the crew, there's first mate, Albert Richardson. he is married to a niece of this man named Winchester who is one of the owners of the boat and he's sailed with Briggs before so like they're friends the second mate is a dude named Andrew Gillig also you know a very accomplished sailor the Stuart is Edward Head he's newly married he is also

knows what he's doing there's four general seamen from Germany and everyone is for the most part like very nice. Sarah Briggs wrote a letter to her mother and called them, you know, quite capable, you know, a good crew, like no, nothing to worry about. No one was worried. So it is on October 20th, 1872, Briggs gets to New York. He lives in Massachusetts, gets to New York to start packing and getting ready for this voyage. So it was about a week of prep. The cargo on the Mary Celeste is, 1,701 barrels of alcohol. And it's not fun alcohol. No, it's not fun. It's ethanol. So it's like for fuel, for disinfectant.

If you drink it, you die or you go blind. So it's not fun. It's just a thousand barrels. No, dude, it's probably fun for like the six minutes before you go blind. Sure. Those are a really fun six minutes and you're blind. Yes.

Not great. So yeah. So On November 5th, they tried to sit sail, but the weather wasn't great. So they made it to Staten Island and then waited two days. And they finally departed on November 7th. The letters that Briggs wrote to his family were like, again, everything looks good, make sure the boy studies, like, we're going to be home soon. No big deal. We're just on this trip.

So that is November 7th. Wait, when are they set sail? Spoiler. November 7th. They said still on November 7th. Okay. Okay, I got it. And they never make it.

They don't make it to, they're trying to get to Genoa. They never make it to Genoa. On December 4th, so five, six weeks later, Captain David Morehouse of the ship, the de Gratia spotted a ship doing some weird things in the ocean. The sails were up, but the rigging was odd. And the rigging is like the ropes and all the stuff. Like it wasn't some of the sails were up, but not all of them, like it looked weird. So he was like, this ship seems to be in distress. The de Gratia left New York eight days after the Mary Celeste. And, should have been on like the same path as them but they um or i guess maybe they weren't even supposed to be in genoa yet they didn't really know yet but the de gratis on the same path as them and should have gotten there like eight days after them if it would have done been like correct but instead they like see this boat kind of floating aimlessly in the water so captain morehouse um has his first and second mate go check and they get closer to the this like random boat out in the middle of the sea which is so bizarre they even found it. it you know like because the sea is so huge and like i was reading i read moby dick a couple years

ago and like in moby dick you would have like letters you would write a letter to someone to say like i'm having a great time at sea i'm fine and give it to another ship if you happened to see another ship you know what i mean like you don't necessarily ever see another ship the ocean's so huge so the first and second meet go up there they are like calling out they're like doing signals like hey anybody there what's going on there's no one on the deck they get on the boat they see that it's the Mary Celeste and like this is weird because they should be eight days ahead of us you know they're like what's going on they get on the boat and there's nobody on the entire boat it's a go ship they get on the boat god's so creepy so it's like i hope it's a little foggy

creaky weird they get on the boat there's nobody there they're calling around anybody here nobody because Taylor Taylor like picture it didn't just like you just are on on the boat on the deck and you're calling to people you're going towards the boat on your ship and you're like oh maybe hello like you're doing captain like there's something weird happening like you don't think it's so otherworldly it's so creepy totally so here are the facts here's what we know there was nobody on board no humans on board no nobody they only had no bodies exactly no bodies no lives people no people there was one lifeboat that the mary celeste had it was missing so lifeboat is gone some pay some of the papers are missing as well as the

navigational equipment so whatever they would have used like we talked about those like things to like see the stars or whatever that was missing there was food and water on the mary celeste that would have kept people fed for another six months so there's plenty of food there was plenty of water there are three hatches on the Mary Celeste. There was a big one in the middle and then two on the ends. The one in the middle was closed, but the two on the end were open, like that go into the cargo hold. In the cargo hold where those like 1,700 barrels were, there was three and a half feet of water. So like not enough to sink it, but there was water in there.

And so that could have been like worrying if you were, you know, on the boat. One of the pumps was broken. So there were like two pumps. pumps one on each side that were supposed to pump out water from the cargo hold that there was water in there. One of them was broken and taken apart. Like they had probably tried to fix it. So a speculation is that maybe it was clogged from coal because they had been like a coal ship in the past. So maybe it was clogged from something, but it looked like they had tried to try to fix it. There is something on the deck that there was a makeshift thing to measure water in the cargo hold,

which I imagine is just like a stick, you know, and you like put it in there and see how deep the water goes. So they're trying to measure how deep the water was in the cargo hold. The last log and the ship's log that was left there was from November 25th at 8 a.m., which was nine days ago. And it said nothing unusual, but it did say that they thought that they saw land. And they would have potentially passed some islands on the way there. So that's what the last log said. It said nothing unusual, nothing weird. Things are a little bit messy, but nothing.

showing a struggle like just like normal just like maybe things knocked over from the thing and it was about 400 miles off course like so it wasn't where it was supposed to be the ethanol barrels were still there but nine of them were empty the nine empty barrels were made of red oak but the rest of them were made of white oak so the red oak barrels were more likely to leak just maybe they got high maybe yeah that's a speculation so morehouse divides his crew in half gives half the crew to the mary celeste and half to his boat

the de gratia and they go to gibraltar do you know where gibraltar is it's the southern horn of africa Spain fuck it's actually the the north of Spain it's like almost hits Africa it's like that gateway to the Mediterranean Sea and then it's a very bottom of Spain.

It's like two miles area, and it's owned by England, even today. Weird. Yeah, I feel like passed through that. Yeah. The British would fuck up. I know. So they bring it, they tow the Mary Celeste into Gibraltar, and under Maritime salvage law, they are able to go to trial to see if they get what is on that.

So maritime salvage law is... a real law, that's still a law. There's a counsel about it in 1989. Essentially, this is the quote about it from the law. The vessel must be in peril, either immediate or forthcoming. The salver must be acting voluntarily or under no preexisting contract, and the salver must be successful in their efforts. The payment for partial success may be granted if the environment is protected. So essentially, if you find a ship who is in distress and you have no prior contact with you're not, like, there to save them, it happens by accident, and you save them, you're entitled to some of what's on that ship.

Okay. Based on the law of the seas, the law of the seas. That's what they said. So after the hearings, they thought there was, like, some foul play, and that alcohol might have been involved. That was, like, what they had said. And I'm sure there was, like, regular alcohol on the boat. I'm sure there was, like, wine and shit.

not just like with ethanol you know yeah um so some of the rumors from the trial they said that there was a a bloody sword the captain's sword was bloody but when they like did test on it it was just rusty like it wasn't it wasn't bloody but it was found under his bed so he didn't grab his sword when he laughed for whatever reason it was like still in his room um a vial of sewing oil was upright on like a sewing machine which is like imagine like a little bottle on a table but they're saying that like that meant it couldn't have been that crazy in the water like couldn't have been super rough seas if stuff like wasn't if everything wasn't falling over right um there were some cuts in the bow that looked like axe cuts and they were saying that they ended up being like not man-made

but then i was thinking do you remember that movie with like the sharks where he become open water two not open water one open water two never saw it so where like these people are on this like yacht in the middle of like the ocean and they're like jump out of the boat to like play in the water but they forget to put the ladder down so they can't get back on the boat um it's like of the hull being slippery so i was like maybe they were trying to like axe and like climb up back up on the hole which they got off of it but then they said that the armand made so maybe not that um the court ultimately gave the boat back to the investors it went to genoa completed its mission and arrived back in new york on september 19th 1873 so like a little under a year later from when it left

what happened there's a lot of rumors and a lot of things that like we think could have happened and a lot of the rumors are because of all these stories that people made up about it there's like too many stories maybe about what could have happened to it you know and it's too fun of a story um there were some of the rumors were specifically because in 1893 for some reason like many years later the la times wrote an article about it and they're the ones who first said the fun stuff like the food was on the table the fires were so warm you know those rumors yeah where they were like they're not true they're not those aren't true fuck i know um but it's so much more fun if you get there and like the food is like

on the table and it's not rotten you know or like there's coffee in the coffee pot it's so warm like where did everybody go they like just disappeared by this instant like it wasn't this instant disappeared like they disappeared but not that instant um arthur conan doyle of sherlock holmes name wrote a story before he wrote sherlock holmes he wrote a story about this he called it j habakook jeffson's statement which was like a song doesn't it it was a story about a man who had been on the boat and he said that there that before he left a slave an enslaved woman gave him this like rock from Africa and said like bring this back to Africa for me and then on the on the way there they got like um ambushed by like African pirates and then he had this rock and they brought him back to

their village and like all this like mystical stuff happens and they let him go home and write something down like obviously that didn't happen that doesn't make any sense but people were like thinking that and like they had said like maybe we should investigate this and Arthur Conan Doyle was like don't do that that's stupid yeah he was like I just heard a story like it's it's interesting But, like, that's not what happened. I also listened to, there's a fun podcast that I listened to, that was like a radio play. It was called old-time radio. And so it was like the mystery of the, of the Marie Celeste.

It's Mary, not Marie, but Arthur Conan Doyle called it Marie in his story. But in that, it was like an old-time radio show, but I think they just made it now. But whatever, it was like a thing where maybe there was a stowaway who was a criminal. you know and he killed everybody because I figured out that he was like the criminal it's like maybe that happened which is fun it's like your story in Germany

with the what's it called the hinter hinting schlieben fucking Hinter Kifck yeah yeah it's kind of like that yeah you're just like never going to know what really happened

no and there's a lot of people who like have ideas I'm scared about some ideas like maybe it was a mutiny you know maybe like the crew was mad at the captain Briggs for some reason and killed him and then they left like through his body overboard, left in a lifeboat, thought they were close to land, thought they could escape or whatever.

Like they never got anywhere because no one's ever seen them again, you know? Maybe Morehouse and Briggs were in cahoots. People thought that maybe like Morehouse of the de Gratia knew that this was going to happen and then they like stole a bunch of stuff and then tried to get the insurance money, but that doesn't really make sense because like the cargo was still there, you know? Like, and Briggs never reappeared. He didn't, like, appear somewhere being like, great, and then they split the money. Could have been pirates, but also, again, stuff was still there.

You know, like, they left stuff. It wasn't like it had been robbed or ransacked. There is a pretty good theory that it might have been an explosion. So some of the ethanol may have been leaking, and it could have made them scared enough to abandon the ship. And the problem with that is there's no soot and there's no burning anywhere, like in the cargo hold. But in 2005, a woman named Andrea Sella of the University College of London did an experiment. And there's a chance that like those nine barrels that were leaking potentially could have exploded and done like a flash explosion and then gone out really fast. So it could have been like technically really scary. And then they could have thought that the rest of the boat was going to explode. So they left. But it but it wouldn't have left any soot or anything. yeah was a lifeboat's gone reaction yes the one

lifeboat was gone there's only one so it's yes so it sounds there's only like ten people on board but it sounds like they left so but that's weird because if you're a ship captain like I am

you know that you do not leave a boat if it's still able to float you're much safer in the boat than you are in the lifeboat because lifeboat are small. You can't have a lot of stuff. You're safer being in your ship. Like a car in the snow. If your car gets stuck in the snow, don't leave your car because you're much safer there than you are just like out in the open. Right. Out in the open. So they may have seen land and thought they were close enough and tried to like get to that land with their on the lifeboat because they

thought the boat was going to explode. That seems like the only reason that they would have left is if they thought that it was like a big explosion was imminent you know man or it's fucking haunted or it's haunted of course it's also the answer i mean the ghosts are definitely still on it somewhere oh god the lights are it is so dark here and i'm so scared right now it's getting it's getting a little bit darker for you i know this is freaking me the fuck out i'm only talking about this okay no i mean no there's 100% it's still staling as a ghost ship out in the world but like a literal ghost ship because we don't know what happened And we never found them.

And so other, like, ideas are like, maybe a giant squid, which would be hilarious, but the boat's not damaged. Maybe a water spout, which is like a water tornado. But we'll never know what really happened. But whatever happened, it scared them enough to leave, which is not something that they would do. Yeah, they're trying to steal shit. You know what I mean? Oh, oh, them. Yeah, yeah.

Okay. Yeah, I get it. yeah like the people on the boat they wouldn't have just left casually because they know not to leave a boat they never would have left if they didn't think they were in like immediate danger if they would have stayed on the boat so they i'm guessing that they thought it was going to explode and then just like got lost on their life raft because wait right out of the sound they were about 400 miles off course because the navigational equipment was a little bit broken so like even they were a little bit bit off where they thought that they were. So they might have thought that they were by other islands when they weren't. So they might have thought that they were going to be a little bit safer. It was like, it wasn't perfect. Like the whole thing was like a little bit weird from the beginning. Yeah, it's not great. You're frowning so hard. Are you going to have nightmares, go ship nightmares tonight? Dude, it's fucking freaky. It's like, it's like, these things called

water spouts? Like, what the fuck is that? Like, look, like, where did this come from? Who created these? I know. No, I know. But like, and I mean, even like, the weather was bad. And even like in waves, I mean, like, I can't even imagine being like a hundred foot ship in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. You can see nothing for months, you know, it's terrifying. Yeah.

Yeah. So just so everybody is aware, like, again, reiterating, the movie is called ghost ship. no no we're not there yet okay all right sorry we're still talking about the mary slest we're talking about gosheblast well no i'm talking about the movie because the movie was based on the mary celeste what movie gosheb i know we're talking about the movie go ship from 2020 just wait okay sorry we're talking about that sorry sorry okay um there actually is a mary celeste movie with bella lagosi from 1935 um that has him as like a a stowaway who like killed everyone which i did not watch but i definitely want to i'm sure it's good so we have all these rumors we have this myth like the myth of

you know dinner on the table the myth of whatever whatever but really we'll never know what happened to these people the mary celeste kept sailing but she also lost a lot of money like she was never as successful and people we don't want to be on it like can you imagine being the crew that had to steal it back to America. Fuck, no. It's literally the theme of Dementor. It's literally the theme from Dementor. Like, it is,

dude, so fucking creepy. This room is so dark. Yeah, no. You're so scared. I'm turning lights on. I can still hear you. Bringing lights.

But yeah, so. Exactly. So it's terrifying. I can't imagine anyone being on it. It makes absolutely no sense. it's really really scary and in 1879 there was another captain who died early as well he died young too and in 1884 there was another captain and captain Parker and he filled the Mary Celeste with like worthless cargo and run it around to collect the insurance money good so he did that and people knew

people knew what he had done immediately like no one bought it that it was like it was like an accident um so he actually he didn't get convicted he didn't go to jail he was let go but he died three months later just like as like a drunk on the beach it got really drunk to your house you okay it got so much darker than before um and then another person in the conspiracy are your all your lights go out keep going. Are you okay? Are you going to be okay? I'm good. I feel like you're not going going to. Blue this acting up. I don't know. There's a lot of weird shit going on. No, but first. Um, okay. So there were three people involved in the conspiracy. This guy, Captain Parker died three months later in poverty. Another one died by suicide. Another one went mad. So like they went, they went nuts. The Mary Celeste had a couple more voyages. She ended up running a ground in Haiti and she's somewhere in Haiti. She just crashed against the beach and slowly disappeared back into the ocean and she's gone good who's

sad about this i wouldn't like i would like oh just this reminded me in new york there's like a boat that you can like it's like also a bar so like kind of like going in the boat and like that's fun i feel like i would go to the mary slest if it was like a bar weren't we supposed to go on the queen anne yeah in long beach we're supposed to do that because they do they do they do they do like haunted god it's so fucking i would never do that now i'm so much wiser that sounds so scary i would totally go but i've been really scared the whole time i like i would freak out the whole entire time um so that's the mary celeste the most famous of the go ships before we talk about the movie go ship let's talk about one more this one's from 1955 so more recent

And it also has some fun, true crime things that have been near and around it. Okay. So this one is the M-V-Hoyita. The M-V stands for merchant vessel, and Hoyita is spelled J-O-Y-I-T-A. It means Little Jewel in Spanish. So the Hoytah was a smaller boat in the South Pacific. In 1955, 25, 25 people were on board, and they were never found. They found the boat, but it was empty.

know people on it. The thing is sinking. So here, hold on, I'm going to get there. Don't look at it yet. Sorry. Okay.

The Huita was built in 1931 as a yacht in Los Angeles. It was built for movie director Roland West. Roland West was married to a woman named Jewel Carmen,

which is why he named it Hoita. That means little Jewel. He bought it for his wife. She would take it back and forth in Mexico, you know, going cruises or whatever. They were like 1930s rich

Hollywood, which is super fun. The hoita was 69 feet long and 17 feet across on the widest, so smaller than the Mary Celeste, like a yacht. You might remember Roland West for having an affair with Selma Todd. I don't know if you've heard of her, but she was an actress during the, like the transition between silent films and talkies. There was a great podcast called You Must Remember This. I don't know if by Karina Longworth. That's about old Hollywood. And she does a whole series on Dead Blonde's and Thelma Todd is episode two. So Dead Blonde's Thelma Todd. But Thelma Todd was married, super fun. Thelma Tad was married to a actor named Pat DeCiccio. Pat DeCiccio later married Gloria Vanderbilt when she was 17. He was awful.

He was a monster. But Gloria Vanderbilt later married a man named Wyatt Cooper, and that's Anderson Cooper's dad. Whoa. I don't know. I thought that was fun. It's a world. So, yeah, exactly. So Mary, Thelma Todd was an action.

and she also owned with Roland West they owned a little cafe in the Pacific Palisades. So it was like near the beach it was a little cafe. She was like a famous actress but had this little restaurant. She lived above it and Roland West had an apartment that like attached to hers.

It had like a door between their bedrooms like they were obviously the other and his wife lived about a block away and she was fine. It was like cahoots everyone knew that was happening. So on December 16th 1935 in the morning, made found in the garage Thelma Todd's dead body. She was 29 years old. She died of carbon monoxide poisoning in the garage of the wife of Jewel Carmen. And she was in this garage in this beautiful

car wearing a beautiful gown and had died somehow. And so it's a forever mystery. They think that Roland West may have done it. Maybe Jewel did it. Maybe it was an accident. Maybe she was trying to warm up. Maybe she was drunk and tired. She'd just been at a party in Hollywood and come back home. but she was very young, only 29 when she died there. So that's the true crime part. That's a fun story. It's going to be a mystery forever. Yeah.

So, but Thelma Tad had definitely been on the Huita a bunch because her boyfriend noted it, you know, so she'd been on this boat. So in 1941, in October 1941, they sold the boat to the U.S. government and sent it to Pearl Harbor. So this is two months before, I'm going to do this thing, ready? December 7th. 1941 a day that will live in infamy can you do better than that we do it you december 1st December 7th December 7th December 7th 1945 a day that will live in infamy I think you did better than I did whatever so we know exactly what the Hoytah was doing at Pearl Harbor

when it was attacked for the Japanese, but it was there, for sure. So it was in Hawaii during World War II. It spent World War II patrolling Hawaii. It was a patrol ship around the Big Island. In 1948, she was sold to a private firm

who added refrigeration equipment, two more engines, and it filled the hull with cork. So it would be really fucking hard to sink the ship because it was like up by cork. It was really buoyant. you mean the cargo was cork no they filled the hull with cork like just like added an extra layer of cork like around the bottom oh wow yeah that's good one why they did super buoyant that totally

agree i'm gonna guess agreed if i ever buy a ship i'm filling it with cork that that never occurred to me just save all your wine corks and just like hot glue them around the outside of it i hope that you totally do that so in 1955 it was owned by a woman named Dr. Catherine Luamala, who was a Hawaiian anthropologist, and she wrote a book, just FYI, named Voices of the Wind, which was used as the model for Disney's Tiki Room, and that started the 50s Tiki craze of like people, whatever. So the woman who owned the boat is a woman invented Tiki as like a thing. So the boat was in Samoa. She had given it to a friend to use in Samoa, and now it's

1955, the boat's owned by Dr. Luamala, but it's in Samoa, and it's about to do a run from Samoa to the Tokola Islands 270 miles away. So it's about to do a pretty general run, 270 miles. It should take two days for it to go. The engine, one of the engines doesn't work. It's a two-engine boat.

One of them doesn't work. They delay a day and then they decide, fuck it, we're going to go with just one engine. So they get ready to go. The cargo on the Hoyita is empty barrels. So it's like extra buoyant, you know? It's like covered in cork. There's barrels, empty barrels as a thing. And also some medical supplies.

So there's some other things that are like, it's like regular shipping things. On board, there are 16 crew members and nine passengers, including a surgeon who's on his way to the Tokola Islands to do. amputation for someone who needs a doctor. And there's two children, just FYI. One's three, one's 11. It should have taken two days, but it never arrived. They do air searches all over the area to try to find it, and they can't find it. So it leaves October 3rd. On November 10th, the captain of the ship, Tuvalow, so about like a month and a half later, a captain named Gerald Douglas found the Hoytah. It was listed to the port side, to the left. That's what you were looking at in the picture. So it was kind of tipped over.

but it wasn't going to sink there was no way it was going to actually sink to the bottom because all of the empty barrels and all the cork right it was it wasn't going to so the facts are these when they got on the boat the radio there were no people again nobody's no people the radio was to the distress signal so they were like maybe trying to do a distress signal when they left there were barnacles on the side on the left side that showed it was listed for a while so it was like tipped over for a while the bridge had been smashed so some of the things on the top had been smashed there was an awning of canvas on the deck that had been like makeshift so they may have been people may have been trying to like shield themselves from the sun by like putting like a sheet over the deck right at some point some of the cargo was missing not a lot but some of it was missing it had four lifeboats all four lifeboats were missing and the Those would have just fit all 25 people, would have fit in those four life boats. There had been a pump rigged in the engine room to try to get out water, but it wasn't working.

The clocks had stopped at 10.25, and which is actually, I feel like the first good, it was the first good argument I've ever seen for using like military time because they didn't know if it was 1025 at night or in the morning. But because it was 1025, obviously it was like a regular clock, but also all the lights, which is, which is, were on. So that makes them think it was 10 at night when all the power went out. That makes sense? The navigation stuff was missing. And on the deck, there was the doctor's bag and bloody bandages were on the deck. There was a leak in the cargo hold that might have been hard to find because maybe it happened at night and it was hard to get to. They think a pipe leaked. So they wouldn't have really known what had happened where they were like on the deck. They would have known that like maybe the deck was filling the cargo hold was filling with water,

but they wouldn't have known why. But again, the boat was never going to sink. But it was still listing. So it was like, it was still listening. It was like potentially like tipping over pretty quickly, but they weren't, but it wasn't going to sink. They were still going to, it still could have been on it. So again, the captain would never have left the ship is what like his friends say,

what his like employers say, what everyone says. Like the captain wouldn't have left. He knows better. So one of the theories is that the captain died and everyone else panicked. because someone was hurt because the doctor's bag was left out and there were bloody bandages so how did they get hurt is something happened and the captain died and everybody else freaked out did like he get in a fight with one of the more experienced sailors and then they both died and it was just left for people who didn't know what to do and they left in the lifeboats we don't know it's the meter it's like a vampire that's on the ship and nobody knows it's there just keeps taking them out one by one and then he like turns into a rat or something yeah yes and just like that it's the only explanation it's the only rational explanation another another theory is that maybe the japanese came and stole it but that seems a smidge racist or post-world war two i don't think that it really

that could be really rapid um eventually the hieta was sold um and scrapped but she did run around She did have a couple more runs. They fixed her, and she had a couple more runs. She ran aground with passengers in 1957. She was beached in Fiji eventually. They wanted to make her into like a tea room, like a little restaurant. She was like on the beach. But then the government in Fiji was not super interested and they just let it go.

And so piece by piece, the Huita went back into the sea and she's gone. The owner of the Huita also, he directed the monster in Lanchini's The Bat, which is about a van. which is a silent comedy mystery film that is an adaptation of the circular staircase which nothing is telling me that this is a movie about vampires but it might be about vampires and Lon Cheney is very scary and Lon Cheney is very scary and known for doing great horror sticks interesting so here's what I learned yes let me tell you what I learned from this farce if you were ever on

a ship that is sinking or something that is happening, please leave a note. Please cut your finger and write in the ball with blood. We are leaving because we think this is going to explode. Or write, we are leaving because the captain died and we don't know what to do. Like, leave a fucking note. Maybe there's a note in a bottle somewhere in the ocean that we'll find it someday. Someone from the Mary Celeste who's like, here's what happened. But like, please take notes and please let people know what's going on.

Taylor, they probably fucking would have if they weren't abducted by aliens. are killed by the meter Exactly, it's also aliens It also could be aliens It could have been a giant squid Could have been aliens Maybe it's actually an underwater alien Because those are a thing

Wait, can we talk about the movie Because Now, okay, now we're getting This is our third act The third act is everybody Please watch the movie Go shit from 2002 It's so fucking good It has the best

The best opening scene of any of this thing fucking incredible incredible it is so good I scream every time and I know what's going to happen it's fantastic where he's dancing

with a little girl oh my dude so it stars juliana margaret who was from the good wife and also ER because it was being to listen to so you would think ER

who else is in it there's Gabriel Bern super handsome as like the handsome captain he's okay torture he's he's not my first choice um for what there's also handsome he's handsome i think he's handsome there's also desmond harrington who ended up being in dexter he's like the guy in dexter he's the detective who like marries his sister i won't not his sister but dexter's sister like likes her whatever he's in dexter um Gabriel Byrne is very handsome.

He's not good looking. And then, no, he's like, he's like mysterious answer. He looks like the Crip Keepers' grandfather. I'm going to list all the people. Isaiah Washington also, your fame? What is, what is he in? I say watching it, you are. Oh, he, so I was thinking he's also, oh, he's in Grey's Anatomy.

He was also in. Same difference. Same thing. No, no. I'm confusing it, too. He's in Gray's Anatomy. There's Ron Eldart, who's in, like, a bunch of stuff. He's in Deep Impact, Black Hawk Dawn. This is, like, this in the 90s, it was, like, really his time.

Super awesome. The 2000s. Oh, my God. So good. And then there's, I guess, this is the only people I know. But it's such, it's so scary. It's so good. It's like, so, like, they find this ship.

The ship isn't missing since the 60s. that it's from italy it was like a cruise ship everyone got murdered by you know i think demon we don't know we don't know but it's great and it's very scary and it's everything you want to go ship movie to be about and i hope that there are a ton of go ships out in the world still because how fun we find one so that's the thing there's levels to this so like you have um the hojita which is a 65 footer, which is pretty big. Then you have the Mary Celeste, which is a hundred footer, which is like bigger because science.

But like, dude, imagine if you were to come up to a fucking carnival cruise ship that should have 6,000 people on it. Dude, I would, I'm like fucking, like, you just kill yourself. Like, there's nothing worse. if so is that okay bro you're gonna have to spend the night on this cruise ship like i would rather just fucking drown myself immediately because i know that's what's gonna happen just kill yourself right there and there like why even try why bother trying to survive

it's like if the titanic didn't sink it was just like floating around the ocean for the last hundred years and then you like find it and there's like but there's no one on it but there's no dead bodies you're like but where are the dead bodies there's no dead bodies and in ghost ship actually you know if everybody dies but there are no dead bodies which is weird where do the bodies go dude it's not weird it's because the thing has been out there sailing for like fucking 300 years and like it's all decomposing rod and ghost ship it's been like 40 years whatever i i love the idea of being out on the sea and seeing these like the mist and they're like these masks and there's this ship that looks like it should be from like you know 300 years ago and it has like a Spanish

flag and like a pirate flag or whatever you get on it and it's empty except there's like bottles of booze that haven't been opened in 300 years and like i just i mean it's so scary and so amazing i love everything about it and then you have the flying dutchman yes that's the ghost ghost ship that is the johnny depth ghost ship of ghost ships like that is the flying gosh dude uh taylor we have such like similar offended for like fucking i know i really i literally scared myself i was going to say i'm also really scared really scared of my backyard at night so like i'm walking onto a go ship yeah i know i literally i scared myself sitting here talking to you because it turned into darkness and was like oh my god there's a go ship in my backyard i don't fucking know i love it so much just my

guys go literally i i i'm i hate being one of those people that says go watch the thing or listen the thing because i'm like my taste is not your taste so i'm not going to try and impute my taste on you but i'm telling you go ship is fucking good it is a good fucking movie and it's on hbb i right now yeah is it really oh my god i'm so doing that tonight. I'm going to rewatch this night. Because Taylor texted me and said, hey, watch Ghost Shib this week. And I was like, I don't need to because I've, I had it memorized the way I had Jurassic Park memorized. Like, I don't need to rewatch it. Yeah, it's one of those. But like, what am I rewatching? Because now Taylor scared me and I'm nervous.

Oh my God. It's so good. Yes. Oh, my God. Please everyone watch it if you hadn't. It's great. And as far as I'll give you a movie to watch for next week as well, because I have another scary story to tell you next week. Love it. I'm excited about it. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you everyone for listening.

I have one shout out to my cousin Lindsey, who's the best. Yes, thank you, Lizzie. I just hearted your post. It was fucking awesome. Go ahead. Yeah. She saw a stuffed passenger pigeon. She was talking about it and telling someone about it.

And they were like, oh, I have one. And they showed one. So that was super fun. So dope. Thank you, Lindsay. You're the best. Thank you, Lindsay. and taylor thank you because i this is this is a fun part of doing this podcast is like

you think of these things it's like wow like i like yeah i can't want to hear about the dreams that you have tonight yeah it's gonna be bad it's gonna be that but but you literally just put me on a track okay so blood vessel and go ship blood vessel's like really fun but it's like stupid than go ship but like it'll still be fun so listen to both or watch growth that's fair Thank you, Taylor. Thank you, Fares. Everyone, please find us on social at Doom DeFeld Pod. Or write to us at Dumbethelpod at gilat.com.

Yeah, write to us, email us at Doomnithelpod.com or at Gmail.com. I'm on I.N.D.B. right now, FY, also, if you have an opinion on Gabriel Byrne, because I'm looking at pictures of him from a movie from 1981 called Excalibur, and he's very handsome. So I just wanted to bring that up to everyone. I want to look him up right now. No, so how you feel about him. Calibular, Excalibur, Gabriel. Oh, he's a movie called Shipwrecked in 1990.

Looks very handsome there. He looks better, but he still doesn't live out to my standards. Oh, God, he was the dad in hereditary. That's the worst. Yeah. I hope so much. Oh, my God. Okay, awesome.

Thank you. Thanks, Taylor. I'm going to cut it off. Thank you.