Doomed to Fail - Ep 56: A Man in the Attic: The Villisca Axe Murders

Episode Date: October 11, 2023

Farz takes us to a small town in Iowa in 1912 when a family is murdered in the night. The usual suspects are rounded up, and some are tried, but the murders remain a mystery over 100 years later. Is it someone who jumped on a train never to be heard from again? A jealous business rival? A pervy preacher? Let us know what you think! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail]  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In the matter of the people of the state of California, first is Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A. 096. And so my fellow Americans. You can go to get that bite in. And we are back. It is Wednesday. We are another two days closer to Halloween, which is very, very exciting, which means we're going to keep doing. I guess we just unofficially started doing a Halloween series where we just do scary stories that aren't the typical. I officially did it, and then you like, didn't you?

I officially followed you officially doing it. What I mean? Yeah, how we're doing it. Somebody, somebody had to be the leader. And unfortunately, Taylor, that had to be you this time. How about that? Thank you. So Taylor covered her story last week, on Monday.

I'm going to cover mine today. And, oh, due to fail. Yep, we're doing to fail. You know who we are. I'm Fars. That's Taylor. We're very thrilled that you're listening to us. Our listenership is going up.

Very much thanks to hard work and the TikTok graphic videos and all the fun stuff that Taylor's putting in. together. So thank you, please all your friends. We will send you good vibes. Lots of good vibes. Yes. So what are you drinking? What is that? That looks fancy. It's a nice beer. It's not fancy. It's used to find me for this last, last week. It's a, it's the Sam Adams October Fest. But you know what? I like what I like. It's a classy looking model. Yeah, sure. It's got Sam Adams on it, I imagine. This is a brewer, Patriot. one time

I think I told us before that I went to Claudia Williamsburg for Christmas one year and it was so fun and so one of the things that we did is my sister-in-law and two of our cousins we went for like a girl's night

at like the pub and oh my God it was so it was like cold and you like walk through this like town like you're really walking through this town you open the door and it's like it's like being in an old-timey pub that was like a guy with a fiddle like singing a song and you're drinking beer out of these like big like like peter

peter goblets and like we're eating like cheese and bread and like it was amazing it was like one of the most fun i've ever had why doesn't somebody create that because when i went to hobbiton and i went to the green dragon that's what it was you go to the green dragon they're serving you beers in these giant fucking like old-timey mugs and everybody's it's just every all the floors creak wherever you walk it just has like this mood like like leaky caldron i'd go to that a million times yeah yeah well so there's a place in new york that you would definitely know mc sorlis that i kind of get that vibe from yeah which like yeah that's kind of the only one i can think of yeah it's because they haven't cleaned mc sorley's in like 75 years so it's like

that's like that's kind of like my kitchen sink uh sweet so we can go ahead and kick things off so taylor covered her historical take on the winchester house of sarah winchester all my today we are going into you know what Taylor I wrote this outline I actually gave you credit in this outline and then you called me out so I'm gonna still give you credit just so you know I gave you credit because I'm gonna read it direct from the outline the outline says it is spooky season so taking inspiration from you Taylor I wanted to go with a horror theme there you go thank you very exciting since you covered ghost ships last week I thought I would do

the next part of that scary math, which is scary houses. And you also did that. So I'm also following you. Well, you knew what I was going to do. So yes. Should I, okay, it's going to get really dark in here. I think I'm okay. I think I'll think I'll be okay. I'm going to let it get dark and have that be like part of the mood. I'm going to turn this light on. Hold on. I have this little, I have this little mister. I'm going to turn my mister on. Oh God. It's not working. Oh, God. Should I hold one of my crystals? Do you have any crystals?

I do. I have this black one that's supposed to calm me down. And then I have this like other one. I hold this black ones. Okay. Because like I said, ghosts aren't real, but also I'm afraid ghosts. We don't know that ghosts aren't real. Nobody knows that.

Taylor's, that is pure conjecture on Taylor's part. Oh, good. So I'm going to come, I'm going to convert several topics here that are awesome one is hana houses the other are unsolved mysteries not the robert stack version but the concept of unsolved mysteries also and axe murders so those three all come together in today's story what is that a green crystal i found my other crystal i'm ready okay we're safe all three of these coming together in today's story which is about the Velisca axe murders. So let's get into it. Let's dive right in.

Velisca is a tiny town in Iowa. It has a population of 1,100 people as of the 2020 census. Yes. And is mostly known for this crime in the birthplace of a future crazy person. You might know this person, Randy Weaver. I don't know. White supremacist sovereign citizens. who moved this family into a part of the town that they weren't going to have any electricity or water. He's the main guy who kicked off the Ruby Ridge standoff. Ah, okay, got it. There you go. So, looked into Belisca a little bit, trying to get a sense of

fuel for the town. So there's currently three homes for sale and Belisca. All of them are about $100,000. It is a very low-budge town to live in. It is very small. They have one eatery called T.J. D.J.'s Cafe. they have a general store and the general store does serve like fried chicken that you could go in and buy and then take home but that's basically it yeah so there's not much going on there and at a time that the crime that we're talking about took place the town was like way bigger so it was twice the size population-wise and a lot more bustling but like everything in america was like less dense than it is now and so a 22 2300 person town that's still like a decent size town for that back then

what year is it we are talking on the early 1900s okay 1912 specifically got okay so the victims of our story are a family called the moors which they this could also be called the moors family ex-marters the moors consisted of a father named josiah a mother they're named Sarah. Their four children named hilariously Herman, because how many children do you know named Herman, Mary, Arthur, Paul, and another set of victims, unrelated to the Moors, were two little girls who were called Ina Mae and Lena Gertrude, who were friends of their daughter. So we have eight people in this house. Got it? This $179,000 house is cute as shit in this head. I know, but what did you do? there you're just going to do here i live in the middle nowhere i mean it's not like you're confined

to your town if you look to josh for you'd be like there's something there but there's a walmart in the town next door you're like you're right down the street from cocella valley you came and met me up at dinner at like a five-star steakhouse like 30 minutes from your house but you're not living in the middle of nowhere iowa i'm just i'm just a work from home champion at the moment and trying to get people to still do it, but continue. I met, Taylor, I met somebody else this weekend. Oh, yeah, I remember what I did on Friday. I met somebody else this weekend who they were hired to do, like, project management

remotely, and then, like, they were highly two years ago to do this remotely, and they said, hey, the jig's up, you got to start going to the office. So I think it's like, it's like catching on. I know it is. I know it is. If you have a remote job that's been telling you to go to work, can you write to us and let us know so we can like start creating like a union or an association for this? So. It's actually a really good idea. Right. Yeah. Okay. So per. I'm so sorry. I didn't interrupt you. All good. I interrupted myself again. So going back to what is now our norm, I'm going to set this up within three acts. So act. So act.

act one is the crime act two are the suspects act three is our conclusions so act one the crime you ready i am i love this one i'm gonna hold my my crystals on june she's holding her crystals up there's two of them uh visual medium so on june 10th the moors neighbor a woman named mary bett knocked on the door this is a this is a Monday June 10th 1912 it's a Monday Mary knocks on the door of the more home and nobody answers she is concerned because she doesn't see the moors come out and do their chores this is the 1912 you got to put your laundry out you know you got to put your do all that shit she got concerned and she called Josiah's brother Ross who also lived in

town to come over Ross had a key to the front door so he opens the front door he walks in and he stumbles across two dead bodies be dead body see if someone's across are mary's friends lena and ena he runs outside and tells mary to call the local officer they call him peace officers which i guess that's like that was what you called him back then i think i think that's like a time we're like i feel like i talked about this body inside where like the cops are like real cops it's like a dude that's like second job yeah yeah like he's a dog catcher some days and some days he's the mayor It's the same job. Yeah, totally. 100%.

So this peace officer comes over. He searches the house and he finds the bodies of the six moors and the two girls that Ross had earlier found who were there for the sleepover. It was determined that all eight had been bludgeoned to death by an axe found of the home, which also belonged to Josiah. The investigation found that there were two cigarette butts in the attic, which led investigators to include that the kids. that the killer was hanging out in the attic and came down and started just fucking hacking away at these people, which is like so scary. I know you're going to talk. I know you're going to like

talk about Hinder Kai Effect, right? At some point? No, but it is literally just like that. Okay, it's the same story. And there's like a, there's a theory that's the same person, you know, whatever. But that is so fucking scary. It's one of the scariest things the whole entire world.

Someone living in your attic. Wait, they... Even if I don't end up killing you. Wait, you mean, the Hintr Kiefeck is the same person as this guy? So in that book, I think I told you this when I read, talking about Hintr Kifek, the guy who wrote The man from the train that I read a while ago, his theory is that like, he's like a, it's Paul Mueller, this German immigrant who did a bunch of acts murderers in

America and then went back to Germany and then did Hinder Kifek and like whatever else there and then they disappeared into Europe history. Yeah, that's can't, Paul Mueller came up in this. one too wow okay interesting i didn't i didn't i didn't cover paul muller because i don't think that was him i don't know yeah i don't know if he did hindercrific either but the thing is like he was someone who definitely murdered people from yeah yeah yeah for context the reason i didn't do this guy was because the any weirdo in town was a suspect at some point in this like they rounded up like half the town at some point so like the list is like

34 people along and like it's not a good story it's just like this guy once like laughed hard and scored a milk out of his nose so they all thought he did it like you know me like it's just like stupid stories like that so anyways totally two cigarette butts in the attic the assumption was this guy was up there waiting to strike when he did strike he went up with the parents first josiah and sir were asleep in the same room so police don't know who they who he attacked first but apparently they beat the shit out of Josiah to the point where his eyes were gone. I sleep with an axe next to my bed, Taylor. Do you really?

Yeah. I used to have a knife, a knife there because I have, I feel like a knife is what is a weapon of choice for me if someone's robbing me, but I don't even know where it is. Yikes. Yeah. So this, whoever this person is, then went for the more children and killed them before making it to ina and lina apparently lena is the only one that had defensive wounds on her in the hand that she was the only one that was awake and knew what was going on when it was

happening she also had her underwear removed and investigators her underwear was pulled down her blouse was pulled up and so investigators said that she was not sexually assaulted apparently so i got for that i got whatever um so yeah that's the crime point part of it. And there's some underlying circumstances about what happened in this city that I want to get to before I get into Act 2 and who the suspects are because the reason I'm covering the suspects that I'm covering and not the 34 other people that I mentioned earlier is because of the things I'm going to tee up here. So Taylor, have you heard of a thing called Children's Day? I figured as a mom might know what this is. No. Okay. So apparently on the second Sunday of June every year, we in the U.S. and it happens everywhere it's different days in other countries but in the u.s it's the second sunday of every june we're supposed to be celebrating a thing called children's day which is basically a day where kids are just like forced fed christianity so like i assume it's kind of like

a fair like atmosphere but there's also like sermons and stuff and otherwise like it would just be church i would assume right if it's just like we're just going to do sermons so there's got to be like a fair I assume. Right. Just like extra church, but for kids. Right. You're probably talking about Noah's Arkin. Yeah.

Yeah. So the second Sunday in June of 1912 was the day before the bodies were found. So that's the first thing I'll plant the seed of planted. The second is some background on Josiah Moore. So when Josiah was starting out in Belisca, he worked for a man named Frank Fernando Jones. Frank owned the only hardware store in town and had a very lucrative exclusivity deal to resell John Deere farming equipment. He made a shitload of money, apparently. He built himself the biggest house in town.

He started a local bank. He eventually would move on to be a senator. And so he had like a really good thing going for him. He was kind of like the man in Belisca. Josiah worked for Frank until he asked for a pay raise and Frank refused him. So what Josiah did was he went away, he established his own hardware store in town and wrestled away that exclusivity deal that Frank had with John Deere. Probably, arguably worse than that, Josiah also had an affair with Frank Jones's eldest son's wife. Does that make sense?

Yes. Okay. So this was like obvious. Okay, we're talking about sons of a patriarch and a small town. These are big outsized things that are going on, essentially. So Frank really didn't like Josiah at all. It's clear. Okay.

Got it. So let's, we have some background information there. So now let's move on to Act 2, the suspects, which I think the first one's going to be kind of clear by now. so the first suspect is frank so obviously frank hates josiah he basically taken away his standing in the community of being the biggest baddest best hardware store in the area he humiliated his son with his affair with his wife so that's that's kind of the the first suspect nothing came of this because there's no evidence that would tie him to it the second person is connected to it in some way

And it is assumed that Frank Jones hired him. It's a guy named William Mansfield. So this is crazy. Between the years of 1911 and 1914, there was just a bunch of unsolved. I'm going to lock the doors. Hold on. I'm just going to shut myself. It is now officially dark.

Yeah, I don't need this. I can see far as his window and it's officially dark outside. Yep, definitely don't need to be killed by my own axe. wait I'm going to grab the axe I'm looking at pictures of the house it looks nice you know the farmhouse I love like kid

well I love China cabinets if you've been to my house I have like five China cabinets I just like desperately want more I don't want anything else about China cabinets but like in an old fashioned kitchen

it's like China cabinet like the stove you know it's cool okay wait let me take a screenshot of us hold on I have to try on my ring light. How do I take a full, I'm going to hold my, how do I? Sorry, I'm telling me I'm hitting something.

Okay. I'm just going to hold my axe. So, okay. Okay, so where I was going with this is that between the years of 1911 and 1914, there was like all these unsolved axe murders around the country. So there was, this is just in three years. there was one in Colorado Springs, two in Kansas, one in New Orleans, one in Aurora, Illinois, one in Blue Island, right on. Wait, no, we're not in Illinois.

No, I know, but in Wayne's world, Wayne's from Aurora, Illinois, he says, Aurora, Illinois. Oh, right on. Yeah, yeah. Blue Island, Illinois. I'm going to come back to the Blue Island one here in a minute, but so keep that one in mind. But the key thing to note is that all these murders in these three years, how many is that? Hold on. One, two, three, four, five, six, six, seven, seven including seven ax murders in three years, all unsolved. They all shared the exact same crime scene, including the Moore House. Sheets were put up in the windows to shield outside from looking in. The murderer, the murder weapon was always an axe and was always white clean when the murderer left. The murder victim always had, oh my God, don't bark right now.

can't do this the murder victims always had their heads covered with clothing this is creepy taylor the mirrors in the house houses were always covered up i hate that that's so fucking i hate i hate the mirror thing so much i think this is scarier than ghosts and maybe you'll talk about ghost later but this is like a real actual live person with an ex came to your home so freaky so freaky and there was never fingerprints found for any of these nobody there was no way to tie any of these together. And back then, dude, in 1900s, did they didn't know what fingerprints were? People didn't know what fingerprints are now? Like, it's like, there's got to be someone that knows, it's got to be tied in some way. Like, it's not good. So there's a detective we're going to

introduce. His name is James Wilkerson. And he was convinced that all these murders were all related and that the murderer was this guy, Mansfield. Mostly because of the Blue Island murder in Illinois that I mentioned earlier. So what happened there is that Manfield's own family was hacked to death with an axe. So his wife, child, mother-in-law, father, like, the whole film was wiped clean. He was never charged with any murders in the family. He was most just known as like a Cokehead, like just like a weird drug addict that just like kept fucking around, riding the rails, going from city to city, doing whatever.

and he was basically the detectives in the thing where like this is the guy that had to have done it. He was ultimately arrested and brought before a grand jury, and the grand jury concluded that there was sufficient evidence to prove that Mansfield was not in Valiska on the night of the murders because of the receipt he produced from Illinois from that same night. That being said, the detective in the case focused on. Go ahead, sorry. Oh, I just, a receipt in 1922, it's a piece of paper that someone ran with their hand. You know, like, I'm looking at like Sarah Winchester's ledgers of her, like, of her wealth.

And it's all like handwritten in like an actual accounting book. You know what I mean? It's like, you can write whatever the fuck you want. Yeah, yeah. And it was to that point, Wilkerson was not only convinced that Mansfield had done this, but he thinks that he did it. the behest of frank jones like he assumed that jones was like fuck this family fuck this guy and i know this guy who like clearly murdered his own family so he's probably going to be have any issues killing another person's families and so the idea was that uh he would hire him

to do this the short of it is that he goes to trial or he does go to trial this grand jury that could have indicted him and they won't and it's on the back off the back of this receipt that they won't do it and wilkerson this detective is like no this is all influence peddling this is all frank jones trying to get this guy off because he knows that if he doesn't get him off he's probably going to talk and get him in trouble and all that stuff right what's interesting is that there's eyewitnesses who had who saw mansfield in veliska the morning of the murders meaning he couldn't have been in illinois right there's that i don't believe it was in illinois at all yeah exactly exactly you don't keep your receipts in this time either he's a cokehead

coca's don't keep receipts anyways much less now going from you think in his like his little handkerchief that he has tied around a stick when he's jumping from train to train he has full of receipts for his taxes no it's called a bindle cans of beans yes in his bindle are there receipts no so so this guy ends up getting off this guy wilkerson the detective won't let off this he's basically like this is rigged this guy fucking did it that guy paid off people to get this guy off long story short they sued this detective into oblivion so because he couldn't get convicted so they sued him for libel you got to prove that it was a it was a it was true when you said it they couldn't do that and so they

sued him into oblivion and so anyways that was the the end of the mansfield jones connection to this murder the other suspect is an obvious sex offending pedophile looking freak sorry i shouldn't say freak okay anybody who hears this sorry was a guy named reverend george kelly you want to look this guy up he looks like he has a weasel he looks like he has a weasel face like a rat face um i'm not surprised to hear the word of reverend yeah obviously so okay taylor you yeah no not great listen i will be honest with you i have kind of a bias against reverend pastor's preachers whatever and this guy was a traveling preacher and look i'm not saying i'm not saying all preachers are sex offenders okay i'm not saying that

but if you're a sex offender being a pastor same a lot of them are pretty good game it's a pretty good game and yeah especially a traveling one you can just like do whatever you want so easy right so one thing about kelly is that he did not have a really good track record so one thing he was known for was like pervy things he would do with like young women and like girls which like i'm not going to get into use your imagination whatever uh but it was just known around it was just known that this guy was like you don't want your like 16 year old daughter around this guy basically and and this guy basically and this guy basically just just blew into town as his traveling preacher for children's day do his sermon get his

applause pick up whatever and add it to his bindle sick because i'm assuming he also has a bindle sick because everybody here in this time period probably did and then go back home he was there the night the moors were killed he didn't leave town until like 5 a.m or so the next morning so he was definitely there was he there for children's day yeah he was there who's there preaching yes yeah and the word was that uh josiah i didn't write this in the outline the word was that josiah wanted to be the preacher he wanted to meet his family and so he made a point to introduce him and his like two daughters in these two other girls that were like with they're saying with him to this traveling sex offender so there was that he

i'm sorry i laughed that's terrible so police look at this guy and they're like okay there's obviously something going on he looks like he has a weasel's face his mouth is too small for his body which we shouldn't judge people for that because i also have that same problem but police arrested him and questioned him and this guy the reverend confessed he confessed the killings are you laughing him at the in my mouth i'm laughing too i guess you do you think you have a small mouth That's what I've been told. I'm so sorry that I'm laughing at that. I don't know what I'm, that's not funny.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. You're telling me that you're telling me the things that you are insecure about. I'm laughing at them. I'm so sorry. To be fair, I didn't think you take it seriously. That's just really funny. As a man who also has a small mouth. We should not judge people.

We should never judge people off the side. their mouths. Weasel faces, yes. I'm sorry, go ahead. So they arrestes weasel face sex offender and he confesses the killings and it wasn't like a super detailed confession. He basically said some of the fact that he was walking around the town

then had a murder. He came across the moor house. A voice inside him told them to go find an axe to start kill. It sounds like kind of nonsense. And so one account I read was that investigators believe that the killer was left-handed, and so they asked this reverend to chop a piece of wood to see what he would do. So he gave an act. It feels like the last thing you would give an axe murderer is an axe, you really thought it. You feel like you try to give them more blunted

instruments. That's fair. And he, and yeah, he, like, chopped the wood with his left hand. So, like, oh, this guy, obviously had so done it. And there was the fact that he was a known pervert and this little girl's pants were like pulled down so like there was that piece of it as well so at trial his attorney said that he gave this confession under duress and that his wife would testify during the trial that i can't imagine a woman like saying this about their husband she goes my my husband was a weak-minded man and he had previously confessed to an arson that happened on the night that he was literally at home with me like he could never have done that arson it does not shock me that he confessed to the eight murders of these like this family and that i mean that happens so much like so bizarrely but like people are always confessing to

that they didn't do hey you know what i saw the um the the one about the um those kids the new york time uh the central park five or whatever in that case i get it it's like you got a bunch of like eight year olds like of course they're freaked out the cops tells them you're to go home if you confess but you can't be a fucking trap preacher and like in your 40s or he was 34 the time Well, I feel like I'm not even saying that. Like, it sounds like she's saying that he would just confess to crimes he couldn't possibly have done, you know, like people who like call and they're like, I'm a Zoddy debt killer. And they're like, no, you're not. I don't know.

I mean, if you don't have a hobby, right? I guess it's a hobby, but it's wasting police time. If you're bored enough, I mean, I could see myself calling the cops who's confessing to random things. Maybe not eight murders. I feel like, I feel like that would be like pretty over the top. But, you know, something innocuous. Like, I'm the one who stole the Kik cat at the seven of them. 11 down the street catch me if you can't it was me yeah catch me if you can uh so the jury in

in his trial there were hung so 11 people voted to acquit him one voter for not guilty by reason of insanity so one person thought that he actually did it out of 12 he was retried and then on the on the retry he was fully acquitted so there again like i said there were a few other suspects basically just any person that the talent thought was kind of weird was considered you know potentially part of this problem i read an article about the killings by an author named katherine ramsland which you may have heard because she's been referenced in last podcast and other podcasts quite a bit she's kind of amazing so she writes all kinds of stuff all kinds of stuff on true crimes sexual deviant behavior she wrote one about like why people want to have

sex with dead bodies which like i didn't know i didn't know that many people did but enough for a book but like it is enough to author a book on it i would i would assume she has a master's on psychology on forensics on criminal justice she's wrote about 25 books and um she wrote about this one as well she ended up writing about uh robert wrestler who's basically the person who like coined the phrase serial killer and like his FBI work and his profiling work is like what the world looks at now in terms of how to identify serial killers are and robert wrestler did his take on who he thinks of a lesser murder could have not who it could have been but who would have been if it was like based on a profile and he concluded that the killer was an obviously mentally ill man

in his mid to late 30s who was well built and his profiling based on like what he was saying here was that Reverend Kelly could never been the killer. He was too meek, he was too small, he was a tiny frail, fragile guy. It never could have been him. Ransselin posits that the killer may never have been identified or interviewed

anyways out of the dozens of people that were, because it could have been a transitory person, kind of like you said. That's what I think, too. I mean, like, that guy's got to be gone, like, to the wind, gone. Never find it. In the middle of this, I found another person

Oh my God, can you please I just, okay, can you, can you please DM me your address so that I can call 911 when you stab yourself in the face with this axe like you're playing with right now? Because now you're holding the axe backwards and pointing at me with it. So I just need to be able to call the ambulance to your home. Now it's a gun.

Oh my gosh. Oh man, that is sharp though. So I found this other guy that was like a totally unknown. person until 1999 this guy was an illegal immigrant from Mexico who literally just rode the rails across the country and would just hop off kill somebody and then hop back on the rails and go like he would just do the only he would only get caught for like immigration reasons like he was deported

four times he was never caught for the killings of themselves until 1990 so he was operating for 13 years killed 16 people just by being on a train, hopping off, going to town, killing someone by the tracks, then hopping back in the... Like, how are there so many of these people? It sounds like that's something you could just do. This isn't the 1800s. This was 1999. It's almost... Oh, that guy did it. Wait, that guy did it in 1999? Yeah. Oh, that is weird. I thought you meant they discovered that story in 1999, but you're saying that he did it in 1999.

Because Catherine Ramsland was like, hey, like, look, we have all these random townsfolk suspects that we're looking at. It could have been like anyone. And like here's evidence of that. Like exactly, like, anyone, this random dude just fucking crazy shit. And so we don't know. So I wrote down that on act three for our conclusions, my guess is that man skilled guy is probably the most likely to have done it. because I think it's weird it's kind of like what you said if you're like digging on your property and if you find like too many dead babies you know there's like a finite limit

of dead babies you could find like one's okay because like that's an accident it could have been anything but like seven means your baby murderer yeah like tell you if you found out that I systematically killed my entire family with an axe well you don't know that you find out that I lost my entire family to a mysterious exoner that was never caught. And then, like, yeah, eight months, nine months later, I'm arrested, I'm arrested, yeah, I'm arrested with, on charges of killing our family with, it's like, that's one too many. Like, you weren't found guilty, but it's like one too many. Yeah.

So we're on the same page we think is this guy? Well, I think so. I think, is this the one also? So I feel like in that man from the train book, where he talks things that was Paul Miller in or whatever, just like a transient, like, there was a thing. Is it this house that had the creaky step? And then in the book, the man from the train, they were like, he probably just like ran up the stairs really fast. And it's like, how could you kill everybody so fast or at least without anybody waking up except that one little girl? So I, so for one, the two girls were downstairs in like a totally separate part of the house.

So like feasibly, I could see that happening. harder thing to believe is him wait actually it's not because what happened was he started on josiah went to sarah went to the kids room went back to josiah then went downstairs to the two little girls so josea so he might have like hit josea fuck like knocked him out and then went after sarah because sarah was probably waking up at that time and was like okay i don't have time to finish them off right now i got to kill the rest of these guys and i can come back which is like an insane ludicrous thought what's also weird is that he used the axe blade on the adults but the blunt end on the kids see what i'm doing huh yeah yeah i do i don't know what that is

that is weird and another question that i have for you did you mention that little girls were just sleeping over and they just like weren't supposed to they just asked her sister and she was like sure you can sleep over poor babies poor family poor mom and dad everyone that's so sad just like like one night sleeping over at your friend's house and like you get murdered that happens to be the ex-murder night and then also did you talk about like there was like that like bacon on the floor did you hear that i've never heard that the one like around like the two little girls downstairs there's like a slab of bacon on the floor which like the guy probably used to sexually assault them if or at least or to like masturbate with it as like a thing what that was this i think it's i think so

I don't know. I mean, I went to, like, some details about like the, the, so there's parts of the prime. Yeah, there was a four pound slab of bacon to take it out of the ice box and laid next to the ask, our axe, ask, X. Anyway, I know that he had a wash basin left downstairs, which is where he would wash his hands. And maybe I missed the ax part or the bacon part. So we had sex with the bacon. no he like used it as like lube to like masturbate over their dead bodies potentially man times were times are rough back then like you had to fucking you had to have a whole hog next to you um but yeah that is that's it so i think so the only person actually went to trial was the sex offending weasel face and he got off and he probably should have gotten because you probably didn't do it even though he's actually probably a sex fender and then you got the Mansfield guy and then the other guy Frank Jones he went on to become a senator good for him yeah it's fitting what do you and then what

they do that now the house you can go there right you can go there yeah it's it's just like the Winchester house like a tourist spot wow stop acting at me i don't like it i'm going to hit the computer and fuck it up that's really scary just like someone can just walk into your house and then disappeared tell you what i did last night it was really scary so i went to the movies i was out of the house for like probably three and a half hours we had did them beforehand I get home the fucking front doors open

what I didn't I either didn't lock it or what my assumption is that nobody opened it because there was dogs there and they were still there and they were fine and nothing was missing but now I'm like they could have just came in

and they're like in my attic you don't have like a camera or anything oh I can look at the camera that's a good point I do have a camera that's really scary I should look at the camera yeah let me know what that says because I'm very

curious um if I die who inherits my share of the podcast me I'll do by myself you're going to do by yourself you would do that yeah what else I'm going to do it's true wait the movie was at 730 so

okay we left the house let's see it's six okay so that's a dog my god if you see a video of someone getting into your house and climbing to your attic right now I'm gonna lose my mind man how fucking cool would that be for Halloween though this story

this podcast the next episode could be like the Fars Axe murder the story where Fars gets chopped in half okay that's me good this is still me that's a man in a scream mask not good

not good a little a little troubling oh my god actually so creepy yeah we walked over the front door and I was like this is open

but wait you don't see anything is this open then that's okay unless the person like I don't know okay and then we got home at 1002 and that is me walking in the front door

all right i'm good i'll keep my axe with me though anyways yeah with you and john's coming over so john's obvious no he's a much easier target than i am though he's definitely go for john first for sure they'll go for him first perfect um anyways on that note that was scary yeah i should um I should probably wrap. Do we have anything we want to tell people? Oh, no, just as usual. Please give us five stars on Apple Podcasts if you see us. And if you like it, please subscribe and share with someone who likes podcasts.

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