Doomed to Fail - Ep 58: Lost forever in a Deep Freeze - The Terror & The Erebus

Episode Date: October 18, 2023

Today, we travel to the Northwest Passage - a route from Europe OVER Canada and on to Asia (and all the spices that come with that). Many tried and failed, but the most spectacular and haunting failure is that of the HMSs Terror and Erebus. The ships set sail in 1845 and were never seen again. From what we know, the crews were sick from scurvy, lead poisoning, and from being stuck in the ice for a year and a half. Eventually, the crew walked into the great white wilderness and disappeared into history, never to return home or complete their mission.The good news is that since the ice caps are melting, it's now quite an easy journey!Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] History of HMS Terror & ErebusNew discoveries from the wrecks of HMS Erebus and Terror | Royal Museums GreenwichA very special piece of paper | Canadian Museum of HistoryDeath in the Ice | Canadian Museum of HistoryFranklin's lost expedition - WikipediaBuried in Ice: The Mystery of a Lost Arctic Expedition (Time Quest Book)British Vesuvius Class Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In a matter of the people of the state of California, first is Hortonthall James Simpson, case number B.A. 096. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not. Boom. And we are back on a lovely, lovely Wednesday, where we've had an awesome week, Monday, Tuesday. And today is awesome. And so well, Thursday and Friday. Forever or another. Forever and ever.

It's going to be awesome. Cheers, Taylor. Cheers. Mine is pumpkin spice sale. Nice. Mine's just that same Sam Adams. Lovely. I'm before, but it's delicious.

As long as you enjoy it, it's all matters. I like what I like. So welcome to Doom to Fail. It is Wednesday. We are covering a historical topic today that if I know Taylor, which I sort of kind of think I do, is going to be Halloween-oriented because she stole my theme. I don't know if it's Halloween-oriented or it's just like a fun story now that I'm

think about it, but it's creepy. So I feel like it's a little scary, so that counts, I guess. I'll take it. So I have a whole bunch of sources that I will put in the thing, and I asked you to do some homework that you didn't do, but we'll talk about that in a second. So we're going to talk about the doomed expedition of the Northwest Passage by the Ships, the Terror, and the Airbus in 1845.

Hold on. They named a real-life ship the Terror. Yeah, we'll talk about this. Like, why? in a little bit. But yes. So there's a show called The Terror. It was on AMC, AMC, and now it's on Shudder. You can watch it on Shudder. And it's one season. And our friend Jay, who loves horror, all things horror, he really loved it. And I knew I wanted to watch it for this, because I have some books that I read, but I definitely wanted to watch this show because it looked really good. I had a hard time with it. I was looking at reviews, and reviews are like, it's a masterpiece. And I was like, A, it's too dark. Like, physically, I cannot see it, you know, like, there are parts over. I'm like, what am I even looking at, you know? Yeah.

And there's things that happened that were like, it happened later that I was like, oh, I didn't realize that they had this thing or I didn't realize that this person was there. I think it's also partially because you know how I cannot tell white men with beards apart. Yes, that is a common feat you've accomplished. White man with a beard face blindness. So I was like, I don't know who I'm looking at. I don't know what's happening. And it also was like a fantasy.

story as there was a little bit of magic and I'm like yeah like I get it like I get it's fun to like put magic into this mystery to like try to figure out what happened but also like I don't care the real story super interesting like why would I care about magic you know what I mean like did you ever watch the man in the high castle no is that the Nazi one yeah so it's like what would happen if like the Nazis and the Japanese had won world war two and like that is a super interesting idea I definitely want to learn about that like things were crazy it was really like really interesting But then it got into magic, and I was like, well, magic isn't real. You ruined it. You ruined it. Like, that's not what I'm here for. Like, I'm here for this interesting potential historical story. So. Okay.

Can I say something stupid? Yes. I kind of felt that way about Game of Thrones. That there was magic in it? When the red woman was there doing her magic thing, I know that dragons also aren't real, but it was like more realistic, as opposed to, like, now there's, like, a black, cloud that is going to stab the future king you know it's like no 100% I feel like then you're like then it could definitely not be real you know yeah yeah well

it takes all the story it's cheating it takes all the human intrigue out of it yeah yeah yeah you're like oh you could have just done magic this whole time yeah whatever I agree okay anyways go ahead sorry anyway if you want to watch the show definitely do I didn't love it but I'd love to hear more opinions on it because it'd be fun So this story I've actually been really excited about since I was a kid. And I have this book. And this isn't the original one that I had, but I remembered it later. I wanted to buy it for my kids.

So I bought it on Amazon. I have it here. It's called Buried in Ice, the Mystery of the Lost Arctic Expedition. It's for like nine to 12 year olds. But it has like all these cool pictures. Like look at this dead guy. Oh God. That is creepy.

And I remember reading this when I was a kid and really and really like thinking it was so cool. So I bought it again like I bought it again like 10 years ago when I knew I was having a kid so that I could give it to her. Anyway, I just re-read it this week, and it's super fun. It's about an expedition in the 1980s, and I'll tell you about it later. So I read that, and that was really fun because I've always liked the story. So here's what happened to these doomed ships. Once Europeans discovered the Americas, they wanted to get to Asia easier.

You know, that was the idea. Columbus thought he might hit Asia, all those things. They wanted to be able to go across the whole world as easy as. possible. The only way to get to Asia during this time for like most of the world was to sail either under South America or under Africa, you know? Okay. You couldn't go through. You couldn't get there and quicker. The Panama Canal wasn't completed until 1914. So now it was a lot easier. If you wanted to sail from like New York to San Francisco, you had to go all the way down under South America and then back up. You know, you couldn't just like go there. Holy shit. Wow.

But now now you can kind of scoot through there. But you couldn't do that for most of of time. So a lot of men wanted to be the first ones to maybe go up. So everybody could go down. Like, could you go up, like above Canada, like to that top of the world to get to Asia? And so that's what they're trying to find called the Northwest Passage. And it's hard because it's really fucking cold there. Like, it's just made of ice. There's polar bears. It's freezing. The winters are dark the entire time. The ocean freezes. Like, cold as possible. it's freezing. So in 1845, a new expedition came out. Some familiar faces who'd been on these types of trips before. So they're all like seasoned sailors. I'll tell you about them. It was expected

to take a few years, but they were really confident. They had like a really well-fitted boats that were ready to like crush ice and which is why we're drinking ice water. Get it. And but they expected to pop out on the other side and be on like the west coast of Canada within like two years the two boats from where from england why would they end up on the other side of canada because they're going above Canada they go like they go above they stop in greenland to like get supplies and they go to the top of all those islands above Canada essentially because you know Canada just like turns into islands that's where they're going yeah I know that of course I know that may I'm using my suggestion for you so um

So the two boats that sent out on this particular trip and a lot of people had tried before, no one had done it yet, are the terror and the Airbus. So the terror is a Vesuvius class bomb ship, which is fun. So as I could tell, only three Vesuvius type ships were ever made. And that's just like a type of ship of like the architect or a boat architect who made it. It was made in Topsham, Devon in 1812 in the UK. it was named the terror to scare people. It was a bomb ship. It was meant to go to war. They gave

these ships really scary names on purpose to be like, oh shit, the terror's coming. Like, you want to be afraid of it. It was in the U.S. during the war of 1812. It was in Baltimore during the Battle of Baltimore in 1814 when the star-spangled banner

was written. So the guy watching the bombs bursting in air and shit, the terror was there, which is cool. After the war, she went on exhibition in the Mediterranean Sea, and in the 1830s, the terror was made into an Arctic ship, which made it like a little bit stronger. They, like, put, like, more things on the hull to, like, reinforce it so that it could technically crush through ice, hopefully.

That was, like, the goal. She went to the Arctic a few times before. She went in 1836. She was trapped for 10 months in the ice, because at some point, in all these expeditions, the boat just freezes. The ocean freezes. You know, you can't go any farther. In, she was on another trip called,

Ross expedition. Francis Crozer, who we're going to meet, he's one of the captains. He was the captain of the terror during that expedition. They traveled to the Falkland Islands, which is actually at the bottom of South America. And while they were there, they discovered, quote, quote, quote, quote, a dormant volcano and named it Mount Terror. And that's still there, which is cool. It's terrifying. The other ship is the Airbus, which actually, once I learned what that meant, it's much scarier than the word terror. Do you know what the word Airbus means? No. that is.

Aribus is the Greek God of darkness. That's scary. God of darkness. That's pretty scary. That's up there. Erbiz is the son of chaos, and he's married to his sister,

Nix, who is the personification of night, which is cool. That's fun. That's the part. But like, they're a creepy family. If your mom's chaos, literally chaos. You know.

Erbus was a heckla class bomb vessel. Same thing. It was also in the Ross Exposition, Dead Ardica. But now it's 1845. and they need some people to be on these boats for another trip to try to find the Northwest Passage. One fun thing that they had is they had a camera. So before they left, they took some pictures of themselves, like outside the boat, but it's cool

because you can actually kind of see what they look like. You actually, like, really know what these men look like because you have their photos. So of the main people on the ships, there is the captain is Sir John Franklin. He was the overall leader of the expedition. He was captain of the Airbus. He was older. He was 59, which may have been like a little bit. too old to do this, but they let him do it anyway. He was a very accomplished Navy sailor.

Sea person. He had been knighted, hence the sir. In 1819, he was on a copper mine expedition that went up the Hudson through Canada. During that, 11 of the 20 men died. So people gave him the nickname, the man who ate his boots, which is like a really dumb nickname. I mean, did he is birds? Probably, because they were starving. They also might have eaten each other. So, we've talked about this. Like, if you're starving, it's fine. Just eat your friends. I would totally eat my friends. Don't not do that. He was married to a woman named Lady Jane Franklin, and she seems cool. She really worked hard to try to find him, and she ended up becoming kind of an explorer

in her own right. Spent a lot of time in Australia, like later after he disappears. The Captain of the Terror is Captain Francis Crozer. He had been the Captain of the Terror of for the Ross expedition that we talked about before. He was 48. He was a very seasoned captain. Oh, one cool thing. So the Captain of the Terror, Captain Crozer, he had joined the Navy when he was 13. And in 1814, he was on the boat that went to pick Karen Island and met the last survivors of the bounty. Whoa.

All your stories are intertwined. And now you got Vesuvius. You got this. It's fun, right? So he met the people in the bounty that we talked about earlier. Another important person is Captain James Fitzjames. He was an officer. He was very sad about being a bastard. I don't know why that's funny. I just think I know that's terrible. I shouldn't say that. But he was an illegitimate child. He was like really bummed about it. And he'd really much like be really brave to like prove himself in the world. He had been everywhere. He'd been kidnapped in South America. He was in the Egyptian Ottoman War in the Middle East. He was in the first opium war in China. He ripped homes about war. He was like a real hardened man. Some other people on there. Again, it's all dudes. There's Dr. Harry Goodsar. He was a ship, sir. version. And so he was like the doctor and like, you know, whatever that means. They did find

eventually a like box with some like doctor's stuff in it, like herbs and pills and shit. They still don't know, you know, much about medicine at this time. You think that name for himself. It's pretty good, right? Dr. Goodsor. It's like Farr's handsome man. Like it's nice try, buddy. No, it's a really good name. A couple other guys. There's John Irving, Lieutenant Graham Gore, David Young. David Young was the Ice Master. responsible for checking out the ice and getting them through, which, spoiler alert, he did not do. And then there's a whole bunch of crew people. So the head off, they have a ton of stuff. So they have, they fill the ships with lemon juice for scurvy, tinned food to eat for years.

The tinned food, incidentally, had been created by a company run by a man named Stephen Goldner seven weeks before they started. he got the contract. So we had to rush to get the food canned for them. So that's important leader as well. Okay. The engines were made from a train, from a train steam engine, make it go faster.

So this was like the most advanced ship they'd ever sent to the Arctic. Fun. Fun. So now it's May 19th, 1845, and here's what we know happened. They left from Greenheath, green heath near London,

that port, 24 officers and 110 men. In the show, another thing, like every once in a while, there'd be someone in like a red coat, like a different kind of military man. And I'm like, I don't know why they're there. And I don't think that was ever explained to me. But all sorts of different officers, they took them 30 days of really bad weather to get from London to Greenland. When they got there, there were some other ships that were with them that were like holding some more supplies. So they like restocked from those other ships. The other ships went back. And that was the last time they were able to write letters to their family before they like went into the Arctic. so you see this yeah what happened those hives there's a fucking mosquito in my room oh gross this damn thing and he's like really right now he's really i think so he's really crafty or has a lot of mosquito bites on his arm man it looks like i attacked by fucking wolverine it does you should put a shirt okay go ahead sorry i didn't need interrupt no no it's okay so anyway

they are in Greenland last letter's home and then they're off they're off into the Arctic they're off into the Northwest Passage on July 29th or 31st 1845 so a little bit more than a month after they left Greenland they both ships were sighted in Baffin Bay up in Canada by some whaling ships and that was the last time they were ever seen they were potentially seen by like Inuits later like native people of the North but that's the last time they were seen by Europeans. The first winter of 1845 to 46, they spent the winter in the Arctic of Beechy Island. There are three members of the crew died, and they're the ones who were buried on Beechy Island. And that's what this book is about,

that I have this kid's book, because they were able to dig up those bodies, and they're really, really well preserved because of the ice. So Owen, Beattie, and John Geigner are archaeologists who went in the 80s, and they found these graves, and they dug them up. They were, like, really, really well-taking. care of they had beautiful like metal plates that have their name and their age one of the guys that you know they were like 20 year old kids you know who who had died somehow during this

first winter and um i'll send i'll take pictures of this book because you can like you know really see their faces in the um it's terrifying it's absolutely terrifying it's actually terrific let me show you the other guys since i showed you that guy there's this guy who looks like a pirate good god wait that's his body yeah what the fuck he he was found like that 140 years later yeah because of the ice in this open mouth screaming oh my god that is not good put them back put them back they did put them back they did put them back um but they did tests on them and they found some things um in their in their body and some potential reasons why they died so early and why other people on the on the boat might have died so

some of the things that they might have had is one thing is scurvy so have you heard of scurvy? Yes. That's why you have to have oranges. Yeah, or like lemons or anything with vitamin C. So scurvy is, if you're vitamin C deficient, it doesn't really happen anymore because people, you know, aren't like on ships for, you know, two years without any fresh fruit, really. I always joke with my daughter that she's going to get it because she doesn't eat any fruits. But I'm like, you know, scurvy. What it does is your gums start to bleed. So you have weak in bleeding gums, your teeth will start to fall out. out. You'll start getting really tired. Your joints will hurt. You'll have skin problems. The skin becomes dry. There's a lot of like, like red sores underneath your skin because your skin is bleeding like from the inside when you have scurvy. You also get, you can get anemia. So you're very weak. You're very pale. Your wounds don't heal anymore because vitamin C creates the collagen that heals wounds. And also it creates mood changes. So it can you can become really irritable, depressed, and sad. But,

Obviously, also because, like, your teeth are falling out and you're really sick. It's, like, of course. That totally makes sense. You don't have scurby because you're having a good day. Right. You're not, like, super, I'm super happy. I just have scurvy and a big deal. Like, no, it's a big deal.

You're probably pissed off. So, it'll be 100% had scurvy. Something else that they definitely had was lead poisoning. So the tinned food that they got, like I said, it was made really quickly. And the way it was made is it was like a tin and then it was soldered with lead or on the outside. But some of it that people had, like, seen. And it was like, it was soldered really quickly and really poorly. So there would be like lead dripping down the sides of it.

You know what I mean? Like it would be hard, but like they just didn't look a lot of it and done it really quickly. So it must have gotten into the food and effectively poisoned to the food. So another thing that I is like don't understand, but kind of like understand technically, but don't understand really is how canning works and preserving food. You know? I don't know how it works either. So like when I.

It's a cook it, don't you? So, yeah, so a long time ago, I bought all the stuff to do canning, and I took a class, like a canning course at, like, the New York Culinary Institute because you could take, like, one off classes. I remember I was standing on the subway. It was super crowded. And I had this, like, box full of hot jars. And I was like, please, somebody let me sit down. And like, someone finally missed it down. But I was like, oh, my God. Like, I could have to get a cab. But you have to, like, heat up the container you're putting it in. The food has to be hot. You, like, put it in there. You put, like, brine on top of it, which is, like, salty things that, like, keep it good. for like pickling things and then you have to close it and then you put it into like boiling water and that's what like pops and seals it which is why when you open pickle jars or something they pop you know it pops down to be sealed um but it kills and it activates microorganisms enzymes and yeasts and it destroys those agents so that they can't grow so the food will stay good for a certain amount of time um you can also put it into it immediately seal it in a container As long as it doesn't get any more oxygen in it, it should be okay because you don't want the oxygen is like what makes the microorganisms grow.

You can also like do things like, you know, you can obviously like dry food to preserve it. You can have something like sit in salt or in like acid or sugar, which is like jams and jelly. It's like you put like a lot of sugar with like fruits and then you put it in the hot can and then that's what like keeps it and like locks it down. but they had just sort of figured that out like during this time it was brand new and it was exciting because you could have food for a really long time but also it was like prone to error because it was new you know right you can also yeah you probably also like consuming lead probably isn't a good thing yeah exactly they're welding it with lead which sounds like they are they are it's definitely in this case so the man on the terror and the arbus probably also had lead poisoning the symptoms

A blood poisoning are, you know, gastrointestinal issues, nausea, vomiting, pain, fatiguing weakness, anemia. So, like, this is on top of the scurvy, you know, like they're having all these things happen. A lot of them were the same. But another thing, it, um, there's behavioral changes and headaches, confusion, memory problems, irritability. So everyone was probably like, not only freezing, but like, really messed up, you know, like. An angry, confused. Exactly.

So, like, there could have been. And, like, the book that's based on the movie, the show, sorry, the show that's based on, like, the book, they're, like, presupposing a lot of things, but some of it is like, you know, people, somebody probably went crazy. Of course. Maybe there were fights, you know, all sorts of things were happening. Worst cases, you get kidney damage, seizures, you go into a coma and you die. So all this would have started happening that that first winter. Also, the winter itself sounds terrible. It's dark for 10 months or the whole winter.

or maybe it's not 10 months you're like five months stuck the entire time the boat is stuck in the ice and they do things like they have to go and sit up on the deck and like walk laps on the deck

because otherwise they're gonna like their muscles are going to like die because they're not moving you know that's like move around and drill these things so it sounds absolutely terrible

in the summer of 1846 they headed back south into a different part of Canada called Peel Sound and they were stuck on at the ice in, let's see, September 1846 to the spring, 1848, they were stuck in the ice on King William Island up in Canada. This last time when they got stuck, so this is their second winter,

they set up camp around the ships, which wasn't totally clear on the show, but set up camps, they had like little stores, little places where you could do the laundry, get stuff done. They would pack snow up against the ship to keep it warm. And like warm is relative, but they're like trying to like insulate it. the ship was also probably tilted so this is something that happens in the show that I think is really like jarring is like it's tilted you know even if even if your house is tilted like a foot you know like they're still in it like sitting around these tables and like walking through these doorways and it's all tilted I think that would drive you crazy after a couple of months yeah so back in the day when I was living in LA we used to go on like these uh the open houses and stuff and everything in LA had foundation problems so you'd walk in you're like I need to vomit like I don't know why but I have to to vomit. It's because you're your equilibriums. It's like

your brain understands something, but you don't understand what it gets, which is like you're on uneven footing and you're like on your side. Yeah. It's really not a good way to live. Totally. It's crazy. It's really like, it's really jarring. So that was happening left for them as too as well. So we know this.

So we know that that was happening because in May of 1847, some of the men like went for a walk and they found this thing called the Cairn, which is like pile of rocks where you like put notes in it for future people to like get like a little kind of like a mailbox that you assumes it's stacked rocks isn't that's what it yeah yeah exactly so first they wrote the note on pre-printed paper and the paper was pre-printed with the words

whoever finds this paper is requested to forward it to the secretary of the admiralty london with a note of the time and place at which it was found or if more convenient to deliver it for that purpose to the British Council at the nearest port. And then it had the same thing written again in French, Spanish, Dutch, Danish, and German. So anybody who would happen to find it would see that. And then on that note, they wrote by the 20th of May 1847, the ships are at, you know, this latitude and longitude. We did that winter in Beachy Island. That's how we know that was true. And then they ascended the Wellington Channel and returned to the west side of Cornwall Island, Sir John Franklin commanding the expedition, all as well. And they said,

The people leaving this note are two officers and six men, Lieutenant Gore, Chaz, DeVoe, and a mate. So that was on May 24th, 1847, and they left that note that was like, everything is fine. And then they went back to their ships. So they happened quickly after because the second note that was left there said, okay, we hold on me to start this. So we know that right after this, this was May 1847. We know that on June 11th, 1847, Sir John Franklin died. He was the main captain. We know he died that day.

We don't know how. They've been stuck on the island, King William Island for over a year and a half. And we know that because the second letter that was- A year and a half? So they left this note. By that time, you have like summer comes around,

the snow melts, you can hunt for game. It's not like summer, summer. Like it just didn't, they couldn't get out. They were stuck, stuck. It is pretty far north.

Okay. And we don't know exactly what happened. We don't know exactly, like, something else could have happened. Like, we really don't know. On a map, it's further north than the northest part of Antarctica. Yeah. So it's got to be cold in the summer, too. Yeah.

It's never, it's never warm. Even when it's sunny, it's freezing. The, so we know a little bit of those things because the second letter was written on that same piece of paper in the cairn. So they went back. took that paper out and wrote on it on 25th of April 1848 they wrote the terror and the Airbus were deserted on the 22nd of April five leagues northwest of this having been beset since the 12th of September 1846 the officers and crew consisting of 105 sold under the under the command of captain FRM Crozer landed here this paper was found by lieutenant Irving under the

under the columns supposed to have built by Sir James Ross, blah, blah, blah. So they're putting it in there. They also said, Sir James Ross's pillar has not been found. The paper has been transferred to this position. And whatever is it? Sir Franklin died on the 11th of June, 1847, and the total loss by death to the expedition up to this date, nine officers and 15 men. James says James Captain and Captain Cruiser signed it.

I said, we're starting on tomorrow, the 26th for Bax Fish River. so basically that second part of the note written on top of the old note was like actually we've been stuck for a year and a half our captain is dead we've lost us many people we've abandoned our ships and now we're walking to this river is what it says that so that's it we never heard from them again there's no no written record we don't have any captain's logs we have nothing else from the ship we only know those those two things lady jane franklin the wife of the captain franklin raised a lot of money to help find them but they never did they were a bunch of other kind of like search parties to go find them there was one by john ray in 1854 he obtained information from inuit sources that they had seen the men walking and pulling boats but they don't have any any proof of that so they just like they just thought they had done that in 1854 they were officially declared dead so that they could like move on with legal things between 1847 and 1880, more than 30 expeditions sailed to try to find them and try to continue to find the passage, but they never found them. There was in 1859, one party led

by Lieutenant William Hobson. He discovered some bodies around like a lifeboat. And in the lifeboat, there were two skeletons and some relics from the expedition. So in the boat, there was a lot of equipment. There were a lot of books, handkerchiefs, scented, soap, sponges, slippers, hair combs, and many books. So, like, the stuff that they were bringing with them, they brought with them with the lifeboat. And I just want to say, don't bring work stuff with you if there's an emergency. Just leave.

Yeah. I was going to say, who is the comb for? Yeah, I don't know. It was, like, part of their, like, stuff that they were going to, like, give to people when they landed somewhere, but, like, you don't meet that. You know what I mean? Like your trade. They were looking for things to trade.

Yeah. But, like, if you're, like, walking for your life, like, don't bring stuff. Like, if you're in a tall building, like, I used to work on the 37th floor of a building. And then the fire department would come and to do like our test things. And they'd be like, okay, well, if there's a fire, the next safest floor is 35. So you can stay on 35 and it's a fireproof floor. And I'm like, go fuck yourself. I'm going outside and walking as far away from this goddamn building as I can.

You know, like, you have to leave. Fireproof floors. Yeah, that's bullshit. Absolutely not. And I think that that's what happened. I imagine this is terrible. But like, I'm sure on September 11th, if people were, like, afraid to. leave because I thought they might get in trouble, you know, or like confused and like listening to

someone at work who doesn't know what's going on and just like saying things. And I know like one group like went down and they had them go back up. They're like, oh, no, you're safer in the building, go back up. You know what I mean? Like, oh my God. Just leave. Like if there's, my dad was like afterwards, after September 11, my dad was like, leave. Anything's ever wrong. You run as far away as possible, you know? Yeah. That's my thing for everybody to know. So then in the 1980s, you know, this person who wrote this book buried in ice he did a big um found those couple bodies he thought also it could have been the water on the boat that contained lead but there was definitely lead poisoning um some of the bones had cuts in them like they were eaten which like totally makes sense absolutely people if that's

happening the men likely abandoned the ships and just started walking you know and and and we never know we'll never know exactly what happened during that year and a half you don't know what happened i started walking but they're gone, gone to the wind. In 2008, the Parks, Canada declared it a historic site. It really didn't know where the boats were. They were like, as soon as we find them, there are. They're historic sites. Like, do not plunder.

Do not take them. We want them. On September 1st, 2014, they found part of the boat. So they started to keep looking inland. And they found the Airbus on September 2nd, 2014, 167 years after it disappeared. crazy yeah and then it's it's it's sunk you know it's on the bottom and so they're using like underwater archaeology to get it and like they found cool things like beautiful plates and like those things i don't i can't remember what they're called but you know those things that go on your

shoulder like this and then you have they have like tassels the general thing right yeah yeah so like they found those things because i think i think this part of the show if you ever watch it it does make a lot of sense like it's still very formal like you're still at work you know even though you're like trapped in this thing there's like a very clear chain of command you know people are just trying to like get through the day like all these things are happening you're still still at work so they found some cool things like that two years later 2016 they found the terror they found the terror 45 miles away from the herbis which is really weird and so like i don't they don't really know what happened like could the terror have like gone further maybe because it like um

someone tried to move it further did the ice melt enough that it drifted 45 miles away and then froze again. It sounds like a dislodge. Yeah, that's what it sounds like to me, because it sounded like they left, because there were no like bodies on the terror, but also they'd be gone because it's been that long, so I guess we don't know. So they obviously did not find the Northwest Passage, but in 1903, Norwegian Explorer Roland Admondson, he actually did navigate the entire Northwest Passage.

In 1944, Canadian Royal Mounted Police Officer and explorer Henry Larson sold sailed it from west to east so they had done it and now guess what it's pretty easy because the ice caps are melting oh that's awesome so good news for anyone who wants to sail across the northwest passage it is now available because the world is ending so congratulations you just jet ski through that place exactly exactly so it's a little bit of a continuation on ghost ships even though the ship is like they're sunk but like There's definitely ghosts of these dudes dragging around a lifeboat with full of like furniture and shit with their toes, frost-bitten off trudging through the Arctic for eternity. You know what occurred to me is like if me and you, like just me and you, are ever in a predicament where we're stuck with no food or supplies, no hope of rescue, given the amount of times we've talked about eating people, I could totally see.

It's like, it's like the first night. And I'm like, she's talked about killing and eating you. She knows you've talked about killing her. You can hear me like knife sharpening. Yeah, it's like, what are you doing, Taylor? And I'm just like, I'm on the side there working on my axe. Just. There's like a really a fun, fun and how I can be Stephen King short story about a doctor who like thinks he's great.

And he's like, I'm really smart, blah, blah, blah. for whatever reason he gets shipwrecked on the side of a like on an island and he starts eating himself piece by piece so he like eats a foot and then he like eats his whole leg and then he's like someone's gonna find me but by the end he's like just like one arm and like a torso but he's like he's like eaten most of himself and like you know it's presumed that no one finds him and all that but yeah i feel we could start with like i don't know how which arm do you like least well it's like it's like cannibal the um the musical where it's like we you're you're discovered but you're discovered like after like 17 hours and you're like just like plump and like eating like rotissering a leg you're like where's far it's like I don't know I don't know what happened with other guys like it hasn't been that long you were hungry already what's going on totally see it happening I love a mystery I love a mystery of the seas and it'd be cool if we ever found like a note of what happened there but probably what happened there was probably like very boring they just like tried to exercise

tried to eat, tried to survive for those. So you would not recommend watching it? You know, I think, I don't know. I don't know. Because Jay really loved it and the reviews are great. The reviews are like, it's magical and wonderful. So I feel like maybe- But Jay likes, Jay likes heady stuff.

Yeah, it's pretty heady. Like I just, I'd rather watch, like, I feel like I could watch it with like, I just, I'd like seeing the ships. I like, because I love, oh, you know what also was confusing for me? This is what I meant to say. I'm also watching our flag means death. Have you seen that? no you've told me to watch that too

it's so good and it's about blackbeard and um and captain steed and it's with um teco watiti and reese something the guy of the new zealand they'd be into it they're fantastic it's so good but like it's very similar time period right so it's like the boats look exactly the same but it's like 10 times more fun than the show of the terrorists I was like kind of getting them

confused in like a weird way but also like judging them against each other and I'd be like I'd rather watch just like funny show about pirates than like this like melodramatic show it isn't really telling me that much. So maybe that was part of it too. Did you ever see the sound of metal? I don't think so. It was about this metal musician who like it goes deaf.

And then it's just like a sad. And then Jay was like, oh my God, it's so great. It's such great. And I'm like, of course you would like it's all about like feelings and shit. He also likes a lot of fun. It's so funny. The first question on sound of metal is,

what was the point of sound of metal? I don't know. I don't say don't watch it. I've never watched it because it's cool and scary to like have visualized visualizations. Like one thing that they have that I'm sure they had was like an ice hole. And one of the guys dies from falling down this ice hole and it's like, you know, a 12 foot hole into the ice to like fish through or whatever. If you fall in that hole, you're dead. And that's scary. And that's scary. You know, stuff like that was kind of scary. And then like the doctor stuff is always fun because like everyone's getting there like. gangrenous legs cut off and you're like, he's like, maybe I'll try this herb on your scurvy, you know, and you're like, okay, this sucks. I'll go with it. Well, we are definitely setting ourselves up for expanding our network beyond doom to fail into a production company where one can direct our horror ghost ship movie. He doesn't want to direct, but he would probably have a lot of opinions on it anyway. the sound of haunting i mean man if if anyone ever really sees a ghost ship it sounds awesome i'm sure the terror it's ghost shipping out there as well um in full in full masked and all that when you

look up haunted lakes like you said i don't even know if it was this episode of the one before whatever it was there's one lake i think it's in georgia that sounds fucking terrifying it was a lake there was basically like one of the first like self-settled entirely black communities in america where they had like their own banks and it was a it was a real city and then some other white neighborhood wanted like a lake and that was the closest valley to where that neighborhood was and so without warning they basically broke dams and flooded this entire so now there's literally literally houses underneath you is fucking scared i'm gonna look this up it's actually a great horror movie that i watched about a town like

that and it was obviously a horror movie but it was really creepy but like yeah they went like walked to the streets and there were like bikes on the ground and like houses and stuff lake lane year 200 people have died since 1994 whoa and you look at oh yeah again it was like a real town so like they hold on lake um so like there's like fucking people about buried there right so this is actually a graveyard underneath your it is so scary oh my god like they try to make it nice and they're like it was built by the army corps of engineers you're like uh yeah but i already know that you kill people oh you can live there now so creepy oh that's so scary like how when um when um when they said when like me

started to lose um water because of bodies are like tons of dead bodies and like tractors and stuff down there that's really really scary oh that's terrible peel what's his name um jordan peel jordan peel jordan peel's totally fucking dude this movie oh my god that'd be amazing anyways um taylor very fun very fun yeah story uh you did not convince you to watch the show but it did it but i think you should get this children's book because it's so good I was like reading it at soccer practice. I'm like, am I normal person? I'm reading this children's book about this lost chip at soccer practice.

Can you post that shit or the book in our channel or in our Insta? Yeah, yeah. I'll take pictures of it, especially these pictures of these like guys is these like, these dead bodies. They're crazy because like, you know, if you're buried in the ice, which we know, oh, this is a medicine chest. found abandoned by that boat i'll take a picture of this too but look it's got like little jars of stuff in it which is kind of fun you know you're like oh this powder maybe we'll help you maybe it's cocaine you know whatever they thought you could have in 845 the way those bodies were preserved is absolutely fucking terrifying it's terrifying because like they're there's like them back dude

their eyes are there oh my god i'm gonna stop looking i got to stop looking at that it's a lot i don't know why did i why did my mother buy me this when i was a child and why did i buy this Seriously. Also, why is it getting called the child's book? Like, it is so scary. It's from the, it's from, it's a time quest book by Scholastic and Time magazine. And anyway, anyway, recommend to read to your children to scare them at night. Yeah, you can also find autopsy pictures of Jeffrey Dahmer's victims if you want to read that to your kids. So it's just kind of similar to this book that Taylor's holding up. Can I tell you that sometimes Florence just wants to look at pictures of dead animals and so we'll give her our phone and she'll Google dead animals and just look up at pictures of like bloody animals.

we got to address that one day I think she's fine I think she's just like naturally curious which would be me a be a veterinary we'll we'll talk about that in about 15 years yeah she'll talk about that in therapy she'll unpack that later sweet is there anything you want to share with folks before we cut off nope that's it um everyone follow us please on

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