Doomed to Fail - Ep 6 - Part 1: Officer Black Widower - The Story of Drew Peterson

Episode Date: November 3, 2023

Today, we are re-releasing Episode 6, Part 1 - the terrible story of Drew Peterson and his wives. Having ex-spouses isn't a red flag; stuff happens, nbd. Having several missing ex-spouses is never a good sign. Drew Peterson isn't the only Peterson we cover who murders their wives, so you can check our archives for that one (it's Scott).  Stay safe out there, friends! Remember, there are dozens of fish in the sea!Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail]  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

Hey friends, it's Taylor from Dune to Fail. Today we are re-releasing episode 6, part one on Drew Peterson. So you might confuse this Peterson with other men whose last name is Peterson, who have murdered their wives. And this one is pretty wild. I wanted to just mention how we advocate again for not killing your spouse. You can just leave. And also, we are a podcast where we do try to think about red flags.

and a red flag here is definitely if your spouse or your future spouse has several missing spouses something is wrong and you should get out of there as soon as possible there are dozens of other fish in the sea so enjoy this story

and I will see you on the other side The matter of the people of state of California versus Hortthall James Simpson case number B.A.019. And so my fellow Americans ask not what you're country can do for you ask what you can do for your country welcome to doom to fail the podcast where i consistently

test taylor's patience with me we're joined here by my co-host taylor hi taylor how are you doing today oh i'm good how are you i'm good i'm good and i got to put a note on how i tested your patients. We usually record these at 10 a.m. on Saturdays central time. The last two weeks, I've had to push it back multiple times. And Taylor's been very, very accommodating. And I want to thank her and her family for being okay with that. You're welcome. Mostly my family. Thank you, Juan Carlos, for not murdering me. Yeah. Thank you, Juan. So let's go ahead and start things off, Taylor. I see you have a lovely new tattoo. Do you want to talk about it? Oh, sure. Sure. I just got a new tattoo it's a scorpion it is um it was hand poked today um there's a woman here in

trashwood tree named taylor and she has her name's taylor also she has a place called love always tattoo shop and this is my second thing from her i also got this dinosaur from her as well is hand poked a lot more painful because i assume that it's more nuanced in detail is it more painful and normal no and i think the only i think well this is like just an outline like you know intentionally, a simple outline. I think the worst thing is the shading of a tattoo. That's the part that hurts the most. And there isn't any shading in this.

Nice. It looks awesome. It looks very, very cool. Thanks. And my maiden name is Styric. And a steric is a little tiny scorpion. Like this species, it's a species of a scorpion, right? Mm-hmm.

Sweet. Very cool. Did not know that. When you told me that earlier this week, I learned something you did not know that was a thing. Who would know that? Yeah. Yeah. Well, so let's go ahead and kick things off.

figuring out what we're going to be drinking today. Taylor, do you want to maybe let us know what yours is and I'll let you know what mine is? Yes. So for mine, mine is going to be a non-alcoholic drink, but it's going to be like a nice like spiced like chai Indian style tea. So if you wanted to you know, pour yourself some tea, um, brew some things. We're going to go to India for my, um, for my portion today. Um, but also physically I'm not drinking tea because tea gives me a headache and whatever. I'm drinking champagne. But, blah, blah, blah, but, because, is it's our anniversary. Cheers.

It is. It's a totally normal thing to have a friend anniversary with someone. And it's exciting because it's our 10-year friend anniversary. So that's pretty cool. We didn't even know what podcasts were 10 years ago. And here we are. Yeah, crazy. Yeah, Taylor and I met 10 years ago at our last company in L.A.

We started on the first day, part of the same cohort. And, yeah, been homies ever since. Ever since. So my drink is Lefroig 10. It is a scotch. And the reason I have this, because I'm actually drinking it while I'm doing this. Yeah, you're holding it very aggressively. Which usually I don't drink and do these, but I'm going to do it this time.

And the reason I pick scotch is because to me, scotch is a celebratory drink. And so I'm celebrating one thing that's personal and then one thing that's related to our story. the personal side of it is being in austin and with the ice storm that hit i'm one of the 30 percent of austinites that was without power for about three or four days and i just got it back today and i was just absolutely related to get it back as it relates to our story again i'm celebrating that i'm not this guy that we're going to talk about he is so awful he's one of the worst people i've ever read about in research and i just can't i'm so thrilled that i'm just on him so awesome great I don't even know who it is yet, but I'm also thrilled that you're not him because that sounds bad.

Yeah, so I'm going to go ahead and... I heard it open. That was nice. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and pour a little, a finger or two of scotch here in this plastic cup. It's also a very bright side of you to be like, I'm grateful that my lights are back and not like, fuck the Texas power grid. So I appreciate you half, half full with that one. Yeah, yeah. it's it's been it's been awful and you know it's funny because today it's 60 degrees here

so you don't you don't wake up just shaking in your in your bed and the night two nights before was in the 30s and I was like really could have used power of those nights I really could have instead of tonight but it's okay it's okay I'm just I'm thankful here and I'm off to Florida tomorrow so all good things um so let's go ahead and dive into what my topic is so I'm going to be discussing Drew Peterson. You know who Drew Peterson is, right, Taylor? Yes. It's part of the Peterson men murdering wives era of American true crime. Yes, but not related to Peterson's, but they're just Peterson's. Totally unrelated. But I feel like, like, I wasn't super in a true crime when this went down with Drew. So I think I personally confused the two together.

I just didn't really care. Maybe it was just like saturation of people killing their spouses. and I just didn't really pay attention to it at the time. And also, there wasn't much to the story, as we're going to see. I mean, the outline is extensive, so there's a lot to talk about. But I'll explain why there wasn't all that much to the story when this actually first came out. So to start things off, I'm going to say, I guess what might be a controversial opinion. I'm not anti-police personally. totally okay so i have not had many negative interactions of police and i'm totally aware that that's

not everyone's experience i see the news i pay attention what's going on um i understand that these people have impossible jobs very little salary incredibly high stakes it's kind of like teachers and professions like that where it's kind of like a thankless job and your ability to scrub is incredibly high i have that framing in my mind that i'm totally aware that there's like really shitty versions of these people that are out there, but this is a general thing. I'm just going to start at the top that I'm not anti-cop. I'm prefacing that because I also think there's another category that I don't know if anybody's ever coined before that I just thought of when I was drafting this outline.

You tell me if you've ever heard of this cop, bro. Is that a thing? Oh, no, but I don't know exactly what he were talking about. It's the George Zimmerman types that relish power. without the ability to harness it and use it productively and constructively. So I'm coining the phrase, if it has been done before, if it has, let me know, and I'll give you credit somewhere in the notes. But copro's a thing.

Yeah, and we are talking about copro today. He was Drew Peterson. His entire career was in law enforcement. And so everything I said about police, take that out of the equation here because that is not who we're talking about here. Totally. Oh, wait, can I say something real fast? Please.

Did you watch Brooklyn 9-9? Yeah. I loved how they handled everything post-COVID, post-you know, George Floyd and all of these terrible things happening with the police. I don't know if you got that far in the series, but they handled it really, really well. Yeah. So, spoiler alert, Rosa, one of the cops, she ends up leaving because she doesn't want to be associated with the police force anymore.

And so they talk about it. And, like, they really, like, talk about her decision and how hard it was for her because she'd love being a police officer, but she just didn't agree with the way that, you know, America was going with their police force and all these things. And I don't know, they really, like, they wrapped up the series really beautifully in a time when it was, like, a real hard anti-cop time. Rosa was a character. So the character, so the character was wanted to exit the show. Yeah. No, yeah, yeah, the character. She's still in the show.

It's only the last season that this happens. But she just, she quits the, working in the police department and talks a lot about how, like, you. at as a like Latino woman, she can't continue to work for the police force. That's interesting. They did a good job. They didn't ignore it. That's awesome. That's very cool. So yeah, like I said, we're going to be discussing Drew Peterson today. I'll start by saying if you're a woman, you do not want to be married to Drew. He is a unique brand of sociopath. And we're going to get into a bit of his background here. So like I said earlier, Drew's background is entirely in law enforcement. He had a 30-year career as a police officer and later a sergeant in a suburb of Chicago called Bowling Brook.

I look this town up. It looks idyllic, not celebration idyllic. It looks sensible idyllic. Like it's a normal small town vibe. I'm from Libertyville, which is a very similar town of a suburb of Chicago. I'm yes. You're from a suburb of Chicago? Mm-hmm.

I'm from Libertyville, Illinois. I lived there until I was 13, then I moved to Las Vegas. Yeah, I was going to say, I thought you were always from Las Vegas. Ten years, that little nugget of Taylor tribute comes out. There's still so much to learn. So much to learn. And I found another interesting thing about Bowling Brook was that the income level was high. It was somewhere around $107,000.

I didn't write it down in the outline, but it was above the national average. So this is, we're talking about a relatively sleepy town, despite the fact that it's in a Chicago suburb. So just, like, frame that as, like, that's where this guy is trying to enforce the law. There's not much going on. And this is me just projecting. If I was him, I'd be bored out of my mind.

Maybe, like, the way he turned into a sociopath was he just like, I'm so tired of writing tickets for, like, parallel parking in the wrong spot. And then he went down this horrible rabbit hole that he ended up down. So he retired in 2007 and was given a pretty nice pension. was about $60, $67,000 or so a year, which is awesome. Great. Yeah, free money. So that's his professional background.

Not much more detail we need to go into there. Apparently, he wasn't a terrible cop. He did have actually one and only one misconduct allegation, and that was only for running police searches for fun rather than for work reasons. And then later on, somebody else said, we all do that. If we're trying to see what our in-laws are up to, we'll run back. background. It was a common thing. Oh, sure, sure, sure, sure. Okay, okay. Not going into someone's house and being like, I'm going to go through your drawers. So being like, I'm going to look up

on the computer if you have any felonies. Exactly. Exactly that. Sure. Okay. Like I was talking to someone today about how if you give me your address, I'm going to zillow your house, like 100 percent for any reason. I will zill your house. I want to see how much you spent on it. I want to see the last one was sold. I want your square footage on the whole thing, the rent estimate, all of it. I love how thorough you were. I get it. So, so. So, So let's start with our red flags. Drew's relationships. I promise I'm not picking these types of,

I'm just picking stories that I find interesting. And the fact that there's a lot of marriages involved is just ancillary to that. Taylor, how many marriages do you think Drew had? Three. Four. Four, okay. Almost five, actually.

Oh, okay. He was engaged a fifth time. predictably he was crushing it on both ends of marriage and divorce his first wife carol brown was his high school sweetheart they married in 1974 and divorced once it came to light that drew was cheating the two kids one of whom stephen is somewhat relevant later on in this story so we can forget the other kids marriage number two was to vicky connolly they stayed married for 10 years and vicky had reported domestic violence against drew before later once the facts of what we're going to be discussing later came to light she alleges

that drew threatened to kill her make it look like an accident they divorced and their divorce was finalized in 1992 marriage number three is where things take a darker turn an escalation turn all right i i yeah i think that's kind of what's going on here is like he's just slowly inching his way it's being more and more abusive there's like something about this in the story we told like two weeks ago around like how the older men get the more they start becoming crazy and i guess maybe that's an indication of this so marriage number three is to Kathleen salvo they got married just a few months after the divorce from vicky so again i would say it's a red flag right yeah and it must have been really hard for vicky to like accuse him of that if he's a cop right

yeah like I don't know who you'd go to like where you'd feel safe making that accusation because we'll we'll learn later on that the copro culture in this story comes out later on so yeah that that had to be that's a that's actually a really really good point I didn't put it in here but that's that's a that's a good point the I'm gonna have to cut it out the fact that I'm saying points so many times well keep keep the partner you're telling me I did a good job that I'll keep that in okay so I put down here that that I don't care who you are.

If someone just gone out of an extremely long-term and serious relationship, and it doesn't matter what they tell you, they are not ready to get married. I just don't think that humans are wired like that, right? And like, why could we talked about this before? Like, you can tape people, you can live together, whatever, you know? Like, marriage is so much paperwork. Like, why do that?

He just insisted on constantly marriage. these women i don't yeah what do you make of that like why yeah actually again another good point taylor why does someone just keep getting married over and over like this i don't know i mean i can't even imagine like having to move out of my house and like divide myself up again that sounds exhausting and to do that like three times it sounds like that just doesn't make any sense like i feel like it has to be like we talked about with like henry the eighth and the tutors and why you couldn't get divorced it has to be just like i want to have legal control over you Did that, did you hear that?

No, what was it? Matt Langer's texted me and it audibly sounded, so I need to mute that. I didn't hear it at all. Yeah, I don't totally, so we'll learn later on that Drew actually didn't have that problem of having to follow paperwork. And yeah, he actually found another way around that. Oh, did? Yeah, yeah, he's a creative, creative type. So in March of 2004, Kathleen died under suspicious circumstances.

She was found in a bathtub, and her death was ruled in accidental drowning. Just keep cop row in the back of your mind. Yeah. And this is kind of where the shenanigans start. Taylor, do you remember any part of this case? Because I only remember it because it was part of like an investigation discovery thing. And I always turn that channel on when I have a chance. I feel like we're going to, I think the part I remember that is going to come in the future.

Is it involves, does it involve his daughter-in-law in some way? It does not. It doesn't. Okay, then I don't know. Okay. Yeah. So the bathtub she was found in was dry and contained no water. Oh, my God.

Apparently, her cause of death was decided on by what's called a coroner's jury, which I've never heard of this before. that when someone dies they just go to a corner and they do what they do to identify the cause of death in this case in some jurisdictions in this jurisdiction in particular a jury they are the ones who decide the cause of death i suppose i don't i didn't get super in the weeds on this but i suppose what it is is that somebody does like an investigation into like the body and then they send off the report to this group of six or 12 and they make a determination on what the cause of death was are they like are they professionally able to make the distinction because it feels like science should be involved i will dive way deep into that in a second okay i like i like a scientist to think about my cause of

death and not like really you don't want copro to do it no i like an actual i like a really good scientist oh you're going to be disappointed then so that's where things are Kathleen is found in a dry bathtub and that's where things stand and Drew just moves on okay okay okay we're now on to wife number four her name is Stacy Ann Kale you're gonna keep finding patterns of my stories here's another red flag at the time they married Drew was 49 guess how old Stacy was 22 19 oh no 30 years oh my god like what do you haven't common with a 19 home warrior 49 19 is too young to get married for most people anyway like in any way she performed yeah yeah and they ended up having two kids and she actually even adopted

kathleen's kids and raised them like they were her own and by all accounts stacy was a very sweet woman and mother in late october of 2007 stacey was reported missing by her sister cassandra Drew claims that Stacy This is so stupid Drew claims that Stacy called him And said she's leaving him for another man And that was it That's it

Yeah like I don't know what happened to Stacy She just called me and said she's leaving me for somebody else And she left your kids there and all that Yeah And that's all we know Stacey is still missing and presumed dad I've been researching this to figure out like Has anything at all come out in the year

I mean this is I mean And oh, I'm going to do math again, 2007 and 2023. That's six plus 16 years, right? 16, yeah, yeah. That's good job, good job. That's 16 years of absolutely nothing coming out about what happened to this, this woman. So she's presumed dead, obviously. And Drew's not saying anything to anybody.

We do have some details that seem relevant. So a friend of Drew's told police that he and Drew bought three blue plastic barrels or sometime around 2003 for a job they were contracted to do. This is totally 55 gallon blue drum, Jeffrey Dahmer vibes, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, great. Drew's stepbrother? Wait, okay, keep going. I'm like, when you said that, I'm like, oh, but he's a cops.

What does he mean what a job he has to do? Like a home construction job, I guess. Yeah, he was contracted out like he has a side hustle to like. do odd jobs around town yeah drew stepbrother attempted suicide two days after helping drew carry one of these containers and he later said he feared it contain stacy's body in it so that's where things stand with that but again that's basically all we have at this point i think the police may have done some covering up of things but who really knows it's worth noting that none of that slowed drew down a year after stacy's disappearance he got engaged to a 23 year old woman named pristina

yeah now he's like 50 something yeah yeah how did he meet her at like a singles event like where do you meet these people so i know with one of his earlier wives they actually started a bar together while he was still a cop and so i assume she ran it or or somebody maybe he held on to it so maybe like that's where i don't know i don't know how you i don't know how you you organically run into a 23 year old when you're in your 50s dog parks maybe that i don't know we'll talk about that this week on dating far as in austin lovely uh luckily christina's dad had a ton of sense and basically for sort of break things off and move out of drew's house so like it was basically like an ultimatum like you're not doing this because at this point i would assume

that there was news stories popping up around this guy yeah totally and weren't all the kids there were the bunch of kids there yeah actually don't know where the kids were because the first two kids would have been old enough to have moved on by them it would have been way past 18 years old but i don't know about the youngest two so let's circle back to kathleen's cause of death after stacy went missing kathleen's body was exhumed and a forensic forensic examination was conducted when i read this taylor i thought back to our first episode and you pointing out the great fact that if you kill someone and you control what happens is their body just cream at the body yeah for real but you get rid of the evidence yeah be

smart people the conclusions were that she had in fact died by drowning but it wasn't an accident there had been a struggle and she was later placed in the bathtub because of course she was they showed up to a drowning and she's totally dry and there's no no water in the tub what did she drown in we don't know we don't know what happened okay but we know that she had bruising on her back her torso her face there was a gash on her scalp oh my god at which point that death was then classified as a homicide in 2009 drew is actually finally indicted for a murder this murder in particular kathleen's again don't know anything about stacey this is just for kathleen but it's interesting that like that is what spiral imprompted this to happen

yeah so because there was no direct evidence of what happened to stacey there's a curious legal procedure wait what did i right here yeah i got it from direct from law school yeah right this whatever should say yeah in 2009 drew was indicted for kathleen's murder because there's no direct evidence of what happened to stacey there's a curious legal procedure thing that the prosecution started to do. So generally speaking, hearsay evidence, i. someone told me this thing happened isn't allowed except for certain circumstances because the whole point of American justice is you have a right to question your accuser. But if the person is out there, you're just saying here's what they said, you don't have that right.

There was such hearsay in this case where it should not have been allowed and it wasn't. but the hearsay was something along lines of Drew told me he killed his wives Illinois the state legislator the state legislation really wanted this guy in jail so they passed a law just for him called Drew's law which allows this kind of hearsay evidence

to be admissible. Basically it's yeah it's like ghost testimony and they're saying like fuck you you're guilty also and yeah this law after you because yeah That's how much you believe that you're guilty. Yeah, exactly.

So, yeah, this law basically allows the hearsay of a dead witness as long as the prosecution can prove they were killed to prevent that testimony. Cool. Yeah. So also, it's funny because I feel like every episode, I say we're not a legal procedure show and then I go into legal procedure. So. Well, I mean, also, I mean, it's relevant. You did spend like a million dollars to go to law school. So you got to use that money somewhere and you'll use it here.

so paying off congratulations yeah lucky me so ultimately drew was found guilty of Kathleen's death the jurors did say that Drew's law testimony is basically what swayed them so good on the state legislators for taking quick action yeah he was ultimately sentenced to 38 years which is where he's in jail right now apparently got his ass kicked in jail like his first like a couple of days or week there. And so they ended up having a transfer somewhere or somewhere different. I think the last I read he was somewhere in Michigan

or India and I can't remember exactly where, but he's just bouncing around. Right, because he's a cop who's in jail. Yeah. And I think that's not good. Yeah. And I mean, he kind of killed like almost kids. Yeah, no, he killed like young women.

And like, why did he, did he, is he still think he's, does he still say he's innocent? Oh, yeah. He, see, I really didn't want to. it's turn this super legal procedurally. But a large part of this case is everything that happened after he's convicted, which is just like the multiples of appeals that were run and everything else. And so like that's the state that it's at right now. He's constantly appealing and he's constantly losing appeal after appeal. And hopefully that's, I'm going to get into another piece.

Like he is definitely going to rot in jail forever. So I wrote down a subcategory here called other gross weird shit and he's so gross like he's such a disgusting human being in 2009 so after he like he like tried to turn this into his 15 minutes of fame the fact that his wife was dead i don't know if you saw videos of this guy you should look it up you should look him yeah because there's there's videos of him like he's just like smiling at the camera like a huge great like he is overjoyed that people are paying attention to him in this way that he's being photographed like he thinks that this is like that this makes him cool or more desirable or something i don't know how to describe it it's just it's just he's too happy and i don't i don't know if he understands

a gravitas of what's going on or he just thinks hey i i mean he kind of committed the perfect crime right his first wife they said it's accidental the second one we still don't know where our body is so maybe he was just like so happy with himself and pleased with himself that's why he's grinning year to year in every one of these pictures so are you looking this picture up yeah is that rob low that plays him in like the lifetime movie yeah i think so nice yeah that's like pretty good cast yeah i mean obviously rob low is much more handsome but they make him look less handsome it's pretty funny yeah so one thing that he did that was so gross we're going to talk about his lawyer in a little bit. He and his lawyer went on a talk show, like a morning show, a radio

morning show with this guy who just kept making fun of Drew Peterson about how like obviously guilty he was. And his lawyer suggested that the host do a dating game segment with Drew where women can call in and who wants to want to date with Drew. What? Yeah. And did they call in? No, this radio host had enough sense to say that's incredible. incredibly bad taste we're definitely not going to do that i definitely read something today that already women are writing to that like um the iowa idaho murderer guy and being like i love him he's perfect because he will write to like convict somehow wait who who is that guy the guy who just killed all those like um college kids in that place oh my god that's so gross like already women are like what

go to a bar find a dude that hasn't killed someone yeah just don't think it's that hard Your, your odds are better to find someone that hasn't killed someone. I hope so. Yeah. So another curiosity here, he's so stupid too. In 2015, so this is after he's convicted and he's in jail for 38 years. He tried to hire someone to kill the prosecutor in his trial. It's impossible to hire someone.

No one is a contracted killer. There's never been one. But think about that. like if he had done like assume he had done this and he got in away with it he's still in jail they're not going to overturn a conviction because a prosecutor's dead yeah right that's not what's the end of that just to kill him because he's mad yeah yeah and then so he did this in 2015 in 2016 he goes to trial for for this and this is the part that like I don't totally get he had 40 years for this maybe because it's like a state

government worker or something attempted to kill one of them might have carry more weight than definitely killing a woman yeah yeah i don't totally get that math but yeah he was he did he tacked on another 40 years wow yeah so his lawyer this guy he's such an idiot again i'm drinking scotch because i'm so glad that i'm not this guy his lawyer apparently says he knows exactly where stacy is shit so his lawyer apparently knows or he says he knows where stacy's body is he knows he's been stated as saying he knows everything but that communication is protected by attorney client privilege because there's no harm to be done now she's already dead so there's there's no there's no way that he could break that and disclose it.

It's worth noting, though, that he actually lost his law license for, like, totally unrelated reasons to Drew Peterson. So, like, yeah, go ahead. I don't understand. Yeah. Well, so it doesn't matter that he lost his license later on. Like, the communication that was had was done earlier than that. And so that's why it's protected.

And in addition of that, he's actually under a court order, under a gag order to not disclose anything so if he does he's basically gonna yeah he would probably be held in contempt of court at this point and he could probably be sued by drew peterson but who cares at this point so what about stacey's family like don't they deserve to know where she is yeah yeah but like but in this case you know this this supersedes that the attorney client privilege wow yeah so i mentioned stephen his son earlier so his son was actually a cop too in a different part of town he was a cop for about six years when this started happening he was fired for obstructing the investigation into his dad so he wasn't like he wasn't doing it internally as part of that police force he was in a different

part of town so that police force was not investigating the crime he apparently hid drew's guns there was three guns that yeah he went into the house when drew when the police were going to execute a search warrant of the house and then took took out the guns in addition to that he accepted two hundred fifty thousand dollars from his dad do you remember we talked about this with the murdof family how yeah like moving the money around yeah moving the money around because because drew was like i'm definitely going to jail over this yeah totally and somebody can attach themselves this money like one of these families of these women that i married into they could sue me for wrongful death and this money just goes away because of that.

So instead of doing that, I was going to give my money to Stephen. And Stephen took it. And he was, yeah, he was forced out of the police force as a result of it, which... Oh, that's good. I was going to ask, is he still a cop? I hope not. Did I mention that when that jury, the coroner jury pool was put together, one of the members on that jury was one of Drew's close friends.

He was on the police force. work together on the police force and he's the one who told the rest of the jurors drew would never do this he would never kill his wife i know him he's a great guy again cop bro coming out what the hell is a coroner's jury that makes no sense i want i want it's a weird curiosity i want like 12 doctors yeah yeah 13 bakers dozen of doctors to be on that court nurse jury i don't want hit the murderer's best friend who's a cop and that's the thing it's like did nobody do research and understand like who they're putting on because think about that if they had so that actually probably would have saved stacy's life right

because if they had actually done a thorough investigation to kathleen's death then he probably would have gone to jail then over that and there would be no stacey peterson to speak of right so so yeah that's where things are so as of right now again i looked i researched this There is no updates on Stacey's whereabouts on her body. Nobody knows. All we know is that people saw this blue drum being loaded into Drew's, I call him Scott. Again, like the overlap is.

Exactly. It was a, it was a Peterson's murdering their wives period of American history. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's kind of where things are right now. He's in jail. He's presumably going to die in jail, again, and totally tacked on about 78 years for what he did.

And we're never going to get any sort of resolution. conclusion on to what happened to Sacey in theory yeah yeah when you saw his pictures did you remind you of anyone no who does he remind you of he feels like a cop he does look like a cop he it's not that it's a person that he reminds me of it's more like the ongoing theme of the shitheads that I bring up he reminded me he reminded me of Chad Val yeah yeah yeah or Chad Daybell Yeah. Chad Daybell? I can see that for sure. For sure. Just beer gut way too happy and confident in himself. I don't know. A lot of commitment to this mustache. He's a type. Yeah. He just want to make it clear that he looks nothing like Roblo. They made Roblo look worse to play him in a movie. He looks. Yeah. He looks like a retired professional wrestler like at 60 years old. Like he does not look good. They were, they were so generous giving him Roblo.

So generous. That's like if George Clooney played me. It's like, it's like, guys, like, you got to do, you got to do something here. But that's, um, that's true. That sucks. This poor kids. Those poor ladies. They're kids.

19 and 23 years old. Like, it's, again, ladies, like, pay attention to this stuff. Like, if the guy is just constantly getting. married if women come in and out of his life and disappear under circumstances that did not I don't so I'm trying to think myself I don't I most of my friends at this age are married and none of them have I'm trying to think I don't think any of my friends have spouses that died no I know I know someone who's you know spouse died tragically but they but the It wasn't suspicious, you know. Sorry, I mean like, I mean like, sure, like somebody, God forbid, dies in a car accident or whatever. Like, I get that. But like, yeah, my fully able-bodied wife drowned in the bathtub.

Like, it's like, that's like a weird. That's a next level. It's too close to she was killed. Yeah, totally. And I'm even like, well, the disappearing is like real bad. Yeah. Like, oh, my last wife. she disappeared okay is she a magician like what the fuck does that mean you know like that's not

it's not okay yeah yeah so i don't know like to me it's like the age gap thing is crazy the constantly marrying people over and over again again like if somebody gets out of a 10 year marriage with like kids involved and like immediately is in another relationship and marries that like nobody's wired like that almost i would say almost nobody is wired like that to actually do that. I do have an idea for a dating app called widow or boncha for people who are widowed in like their late 20s, early 30s, who like to no fault of their own really wanted to continue to be married, but like something terrible happened. So they're ready to be married because I know a lot of women in their like mid 30s who really want to be married, but they're not finding that men want to be that committed. But if you find someone who like wanted to be married but couldn't be because a person died and don't feel like they could. I don't feel like they could. match together. It's for not for widows to get with each other. It's for a widow to get with a single person. Why wouldn't they just go on a regular? Because isn't everybody on a regular dating app? I mean, I don't know. I've never been a dating app. But my idea, the idea is that

like the widow is like really, really ready to be married because they were married. And then someone who is also ready to be married, they can find each other because sometimes I presume on a dating app you find someone who's like not that serious. Anyway, I'm a workshop. I'm going to workshop it. I'm set on a widower, won't you? I feel like, well, the name is good. But I feel like the demographic is pretty niche. And I'm wondering who the advertisers would be for that.

Box wine cellars, like, I don't know who, yeah, funeral homes. It's getting dark. All right. I'm going to work on it. I'm going to work on it. I'll decide a little bit. Yeah, yeah. That's my story for the week.

Oh, I hope that he's having a terrible time in jail. I'm sure he's having a terrible time. Tell someone where CeC is because her family deserves to know where her body is and give her a proper, all the things. It has to come out at some point. It has to. Hi, everyone. Thank you for listening.

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