Doomed to Fail - Ep 60: 3 Guys, 1 Hammer - The Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs

Episode Date: October 25, 2023

Webster's Dictionary defines a 'Maniac' as "a person who behaves in a wildly foolish, reckless, or dangerous manner." And boy, do we have a story about some maniacs for you! In 2007, in Ukraine's 4th largest city, three young men went on the fastest murder spree we've ever heard of. Apparently, it's possible to see one of their murders that they filmed, "Three Guys - One Hammer," but we haven't seen it and don't recommend it. Join us for this horror story today on "Doomed to Fail."(Also, incidentally, Dnepropetrovsk is now called Dnipro, and you should read its Wikipedia page because it's fascinating. There's Catherine the Great, Many Occupations, two train bombs in 2007, nuclear weapon stockpiles, and in 2023 it's been bombed by Russia). Pics via Crime Wiki & Wikipedia & #midjourney (we asked it for Maniacs and Dnepropetrovsk)Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] ly Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

And we're a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthall James Simpson, case number B.A. 019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do. And we're back. We're fast forwarding to Wednesday. It is now October 25th. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can listen to it whenever. Everything's fine. No one needs to know that. You keep ruining this for me, Taylor. I'm bored doing this. No one cares. I mean, we're supposed, are we, do you want to be, this is the day we're doing this? We talk about that. I don't know. I don't know. We should talk about it. I like it. I like your stick. Continue. Do it. Do it. Thank you. So we're rejoining you on Wednesday. This is October 25th. I'm Fars. I'm joined here by Taylor. And we are listening to Doom to Fail. And I'm going to dive into the true crime side of Doom to Fail today. And I don't know what.

what's gotten into me but i've been like super into like the soviet block era or whatever region territory of like criminals and so i'm going back there because as i mentioned on monday obelon is my drink today which is ukraine's favorite beer in reality i'm actually drinking tobichigo ranch water it's hard salsa it's really good actually it's not really good i'm just drinking it's very texas of you yes but in austin at several places i was like kind of of silcer water and they're like all you mean to poichigo like i'm the asshole and i was like yes try to be all fancy seltzer water uh yeah i don't know i don't know do look how pretty that's cool it is very pretty we love we love russia we love russian history

i don't know serial killers love them all so yeah that's good we are going not to russia but to ukraine which was part of the soviet block back in the soviet era so the The events will be discussing occurred at a modest-sized city in Ukraine, about a million people. And during the time of the events, the name of the city was, okay, this is the other thing Taylor I thought of. I was like, why do I keep picking places where I can't pronounce anything? Because I was watching a video of someone talk about these names. I was like, okay, just like phonetically remember how that guy said that name. And then like, now I'm about to read the name of the city and I'm like, fuck, I don't know how to say that name.

but we're going to keep we're going to bail through okay everybody just use your imagination i'm the subject matter expert okay don't forget that i'm the one who counts here i'm what matters so the name of the city was did it prop did it propitrafs it's just like it's just constant i don't get it like it's like it's like it's like i don't understand it's like 15 characters and like there's three vowels like how's that How is it a word? I mean, I don't have any context for like languages that have non-Roman alphabets, but you do, right? Like, can you read Farsi?

No, no, I'm totally illiterate, completely and utterly illiterate. Yes. But you speak it. Yeah, I speak it. You speak it. Yeah, because I think there's like, I don't, I don't pretend to understand the translation between like a Russian character and like a letter A, you know. So you know what's funny? Okay, so I can speak Farsi, but I can't read or write it.

I can read and write Russian, but I can't speak it. Because I learned Cyrillic in college when I was in Russian class. And so I can actually write it, but I can't speak it. That makes sense. Join us next week for more fun forest trivia. Okay, so that was, the name of the city is the thing that I almost kind of set up there. But it doesn't matter. This part of the story doesn't actually matter.

because the name of that city was changed in 2016 it is now a very simple denoupro that's the name of that good no pro easy easy easy this has nothing to do with our story but i found the history kind of fascinating so i'm going to tell you about this killer so in 2015 the president of ukraine signed a law that forced the removal or renaming of anything associated with the communist era of the so you know like progressive people now want to take down like statues they did that They made that a law in Ukraine, but anything I had to do with the Soviets had to be taken down. And so the suffix of the original name, which I just pronounced incredibly well, was actually added to the city in 1926. It was done so in honor of a communist party leader named Gregori Petrovsky.

So once the communism law passed, all references of Gregory were removed, including the suffix named the city, which is now called the No Pro. Easy peasy. so anyways has literally nothing to do with the story on to the story that happens all the time right my segues no no no i mean like especially like in russia that like wasn't stalingrad like lenningrad and now it's like something else is it st petersberg that was not st peters grubberg and then stallingrad and then you know what i mean like that i have they happen all the time yeah yeah it's like who even cares at this point's name it greg move on through your lives so on to the story today we're covering a relationship

from hell which resulted in the brutal murder of 21 innocent people and they were all committed by two 19 year olds so i'm going to be discussing i don't know what was you about that the hewing well it's not good it wasn't like flowery and lovely and butterfly i know i hit you after i mean i think i meant it to be about the 21 people but then it came out after the 19 year olds and um yeah no but then i was also like amazed that they're only 19 yeah it's kind of impressive actually anyway it was yeah like i don't know they give to them they really people from being that young they follow their dreams you get you got it you get him dreams so we're going to be discussing the no protruv's maniacs okay that name's i didn't do good on

that but if the name isn't familiar the name of the film they created probably is this is like the i'm going to add like creepy music here before like maybe like lightning crash or something Okay. The name of the film is entitled, Three Guys, One Hammer. Ooh. You know what I'm talking about? I've not seen that. You don't want to see it.

This, so this is an actual film. I'm going to go super into the details here later. But this is one of those things where it's like you just don't want to, you don't want your eyes to ever record these images, like this imagery. I did not watch this, by the way. So I'm only going off of like what other people said after they did watch it in terms of what's on the video. and I just don't need that living in my fucking head, so I'm not going to watch it. So anyways.

Yeah. We are going to start with our perpetrators, first and foremost. First, we have Victor Sayenko, which I'm going to refer to as Victor, because Russian names are hard to say. Victor's childhood really wasn't the best. It was the worst amongst insanely violent people, but his wasn't great. his dad was a factory worker who was working constantly trying to support his family and when he wasn't working he was doing the rush of pastime of drinking the mom seemed to not be able to connect very well with victor and so he he was basically just left on his own he had siblings and his parents to whatever

said they paid attention to any of them pay attention to the siblings and victor was kind of left on his own he turned out to be like a pretty unremarkable student like he was he was just a nothing he was a nobody you know what's funny is it reminded me of like my remember like last week I told you my high school reunion happened my 20 year and I was like looking at pictures I was like who the fuck is that who the fuck is that who the fuck I was like I was like even when I read the name I was like I was like man like you were just like a total not entity in high school I have no fucking I could have sat next these people in home home room and had no clue so that's what this kid reminded me of yeah I mean yeah and a lot people like that they don't murder people

and it's fine like I'm a nobody to most people except like you and my kids children And, you know, so only to those three humans and one, four, to the four people. And one, four. But, but he, this kid, this kid like basically, yeah, he was nobody, he was super isolated, he was bullied, he was a fucking loser, basically, and he had no ability to really fit in with anyone. And like with everyone that falls in this category, he got super withdrawn and got like into like violence and like Gore websites. Like, you know, rotten.com? Yeah, yeah. The classic.

Yeah, I mean, I was, I definitely was a victim of rotten.com. And so, as was most people. And so he basically fell down this pattern of like, not having any friends, not anybody to socialize with being ignored by everybody. And then he starts forming violent ideations and starts reinforcing violent ideations and starts reinforcing them with visiting shock sites on the internet, essentially. So that's the start of the origin story for Victor. he would move on to make friends with the next perpetrator we're going to discuss his name is

Igor suprun yuck fucking nailed that one so Igor and victor were to the same age and Igor was actually born on Hitler's birthday which he was like weirdly proud of like this comes up over and over again in these fucking videos they would make of like at one point like they would hold like a toothbrush up to like their nose to make like a Hitler stash and they would do to sing hail and they were like draw Nazi swastikas with like with the blood of animal they're like weirdly

into Hitler I don't told Rush is how weird thing like the underground there with like fascism is like really scary I just learned something really weird about fascism and where the word comes from

but it has to do with what I'm talking about next week so I'll tell you then but I was like oh I'm put in that this is like a really good lead-in to next week. So if you want to learn, listener, what fascism originates from, don't look it up. We will tell you next week. So join in next week. Just wait. Just wait. Tell your friends. So with Igor, he also had an alcoholic mother, an absentee father. He was also mercilessly

bullied at school. So, you know, one thing I thought about when I went through, I went down a side rabbit hole here, Taylor. So as I was like going through reading about these kids, it literally reminded me of like school shooters and i thought myself i was like dude like if you have a kid and he's bullying or she's bullying another like fucking beat the shit out of your like you have my permission if your kid is bullying another kid beat the show like kids who are victimized listen i know more about raising children listen i'm telling you guys how to do this um but like i legitimately think that like kids being victimized is like most of why things go wrong later on in life like it's all really kind of i was reading about the eubaldi

kid the kid who shot that school the elementary school and he apparently had a stutter and his parents could afford to buy him like nice clothes and so you only have a limited wardrobe and so kids just fucking mercilessly bullied that kid i'm not saying it's right i'm saying like there's reasons why people do the things they do no i mean i i don't know because i feel like there's i like read I said, oh, like, after like, I don't know, there's so many school shootings, it's a horror. It's horrific. After one of them, someone was like, you should be nice to people who are not like you, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, it's not everybody else's responsibility to make sure someone isn't a school shooter. You know, plenty of people get bullied and don't shoot everybody.

Yeah. I think someone might be like. There's outliers. My point is why even, you're right, I could get drunk and drive my car. hundred miles far on the highway a lot of times i'm not going to crash but why fucking risk like why bother like what just yeah kid is being a dead fine again get the shot of your kid yeah like literally just but like get help get help yeah i looked at the adam lanza kid and he was also one of those kids who just fucking sat in his he darkened his room he would put trash bags up on the

window so you'd like wouldn't come in you just sit at home and play video games of like shooting people Like, again, like, don't let your kids self-isolate. Like, these are not good, whatever, PSA over. Yeah, the self-isolation thing is a big thing. Like, that's a problem. Yes, yes. We're social. Humans are social.

If you're feeling isolated, listen to this podcast. If you have friends who are isolated, tell them to listen to this podcast. It's kind of like they're hanging on me and Taylor. And we're great people. Yeah. Yeah. Moving on. So, when the boys were 14, thank you.

Yes. So we always get around to a round to a, agreeing it just takes like a while like most things yes you're right but it takes a second that's why that's why we're fun it's the banter exactly exactly so going back to igor and victor so when they were 14 they finally met became friends and realized that they like had this like kindred spirits in each other they did some stuff that was kind of cute like it was a little bit stand by me ish so one thing they did was that one of them had like a huge fear of heights well i mean that they both kind of had a fear of heights they lived on a 14th floor of this apartment building and so what they did was they

decided that they're going to overcome their fear of heights so they go out onto this balcony on this 14th floor of this building and they go over the railing to the other side to just stand on the other side of the railing looking down which is like balls you is shit like i'm like kind of impressed by it like a 14-year-old dude i mean i guess you have to be 14 to do that because like there's no chance i'm terrified at heights there's no chance i would do that yeah they would basically do like sort of weird kids stuff like this their hobbies hobbies would gradually grow to be a little bit darker over over time and this is around the time when a third like minor character a much less important character in their lives gets introduced his name is alexander jentia

Janja, Hanja, something like that. I'm going to call him Alex. So Alex was like kind of the normal one, which like basically contributes to why he's a minor character and all this. He had a normal childhood. Like his parents raised him. They were around. They were normal.

They weren't like raising alcoholics. He did well in school. He was part of social activities. He was doing extracurricular stuff. Like he was mostly a normal kid. So he also met Victor and Igor when they were all 14. And Alex had like a huge. huge fear and aversion towards blood.

So that was his thing. And Victor and Igor told them about their little balcony experiment. So they decided to help fix Alex's blood problem, which I don't know why you have to fix that. Like that's not like, I mean, how often you come in talk to a doctor? Yeah, yeah, the options are just like don't fucking, if you have a paper cut, have someone else to tend to it. Like it's on that movie deal. So they decided to round up this, this point you might like, no. That's being actually said that.

So they decided, I would try it the previous day then. They decided to round up straight dogs and like just tors them to death. I don't wish any ill will on dogs. I just think it's weird to have them in the office. And I know I'm the minority on that one, but I feel like there's more people like me who are afraid to speak up because they're going to be persecuted. Do you feel persecuted right now? I do a little bit.

People like think I'm a bad person. And I'm like, I'm a really good person. And I don't wish any ill will towards dogs. And if I could have one, I probably would. But I can't. So just, I don't want to hear that. Fair enough. I retract by saying that.

So. Thank you. They would round up stray dogs and they would hang them from trees. They would cut their bellies open. They would disembow them. They would record all this stuff. Hold on. Speaking of dogs being annoying, you might have gone wild over there.

Your dog couldn't hear you saying that. Yeah. Wait, you didn't tell me what you named the old dog. What did you name the old dog? Ruth. Ruth, because she's old. She's so old. She's like, it's like a old lady.

That's so sweet. Yeah, she's a cutie. That's really cute. Yeah, she's sweet. Okay. So, they would round up stray dogs. They would hang them from trees. They would cut them open.

They would record all of this stuff. They would, and this is the part where, like, it came up. They were drawing swastikas because, like, they would take pictures of this. They were recorded. They would take pictures of it. They would draw swastikas with the blood of the dead dogs. Like, it was, like, a little over the top. The worst one that I read was they found this poor little white kitten.

and they nailed it to a fucking cross alive. No. Yeah, and then they shoved a bunch of glue and foam into its mouth and as it was screaming, and then they started using it for target practice with their little 22 pistol. It was really gross. No, definitely not good.

And you know what I was thinking about the swastika thing? I don't, obviously, like, with that and like the Confederate thing, like those people lost like hitler they very very much lost like why would you be excited about that that ideology that's the thing with like there's something about that ideology especially in russia that's like fucking scary like i don't know what it is but there's an undercurrent to it's yeah like it's like it's like people who like have nothing and i don't know i do think there's a big part of that which is like if you were raised to be like a somebody in your country and you're

a fucking loser then you just gravitate towards that dangerous ideology like no out in proud white supremacist is like a brain doctor doing really well you know yeah yeah it totally makes so again brain doctor is that what they're called okay so moving on on. Go on do this thing. So again, remember, they recorded everything, and that's basically the reason why they ended up being as famous as they ended up becoming. So they started going past animals into human murder on June 25th of 2027, or sorry, of 2007. So the one thing to note is that this spree was like frenetic. It was like, hold on. So between the start and the end of the murders was about 30 days it was like crazy fast it was crazy fast so they started the human

murders on june 25th of 2007 on that day the way it's been narrated was that this 33 year old woman named yeah katrina was walking home after having tea with a friend igor and victor were walking by her and igor was holding a hammer and seemingly on a whim and like seemingly not premeditated as they've walked by each other, Igor just swings the hammer around, just bashed her in the head and just fucking beat her to death with it. So,

I don't know, I don't know, there was no indications. There's so many rumors about this. I'll tell by the rumors later, but there's no, right of the reason behind it. Like, there was no obvious moda behind any of this. Like, there was no money involved, like, nothing.

It was just, she was walking by, and he was like, well, fuck, I got a hammer. I'm just going to do it. Oh, my God, that's awful. But, like, that, like, that, that's, That started kind of the blood frenzy. So an hour after killing Yacatrina, they attacked a guy named Roman while he was asleep.

He was a homeless guy, asleep on the bench. They beat his face so bad in with the hammer that he was unrecognizable, nobody knew who the fuck this guy was until they were able to check his pockets. Oh, no. They took about a week-long break. Then on July 1st, they attacked someone named Yvgenia and a guy named Nikolaya. It was two separate instances. It was not like a couple that was together or anything.

And they basically killed and bashed both their faces in at the same. same time or on that day then four days five days later july 6th they killed three people so one was a guy named egore he was an army reserve guy who was walking home from a nightclub and he was beat to death with the hammer which is like which shows like it wasn't just like defenseless people like it was like eager sounds like like a normal like he could offend it for himself but they just didn't give a shit the rest of them don't seem that way the rest of them seem like they're just like horrible um like victim like there's like vulnerable people basically yeah on that day okay so after eager they killed yelena who was a 20 year old security guard

they were also beaten to death or she was also being to death then they attacked a mother named valentina killing her she was a mother of like three and had like a disabled husband or something and she was just working as you know provider for the family a day later on july seven they attacked two 14-year-old boys killed one maimed the other but not so bad that he didn't survive that kid's name is vadeem he's going to be important later so remember that name his name his name is the woods were people like afraid that people know this was happening so here's the thing police never police had an investigation running when these bodies started being found they had an investigation running but they never told the general public and so what ended up happening was the

rumors are spread amongst the public themselves where they talked amongst each other and we're like something is going on like basically yeah towards the middle of like july of 2007 nobody would walk around after dark alone like it was a known thing so the the community was self-policing essentially yeah so five days after killing that one kid and attacking the other one and him surviving they killed a guy i'm gonna cover in a lot more detail later on so i'm just going to drop the fact that it was five days after this one killing that they killed this other guy i'll come back to him two days later does this have like a record for the fastest anyone's ever killed people i don't know like so i did um you don't hear anything like this

yeah it's crazy it was like a blood frenzy he was walt i can't think of anyone that i don't know yeah i can't think of anyone they killed like this many people this quickly because i'm gonna actually stop talking about the murders and just say and then 12 people died in a minute because keep saying this. So two days after the guy I'm going to cover later on July 14th, they killed a 45-year-old woman named Natalia. They shoved her off her scooter as she rode past them and then beat her to death with the hammer. That same day, they killed the homeless guy named Nikolai. So like they're doing multiples of the day. And then again, I'm not going to say whatever. Over the next seven days, they killed about 12 more bodies showed up that were

all beaten to death in the face with a hammer. So take it for where you will. Wow. There's out there about them killing a pregnant woman, which they did, which they actually did kill a pregnant woman. But the stories that you read out there are that they cut her open and took the fetus out of her. But like, those were reversed. Like, that is not part of any of the actual investigation reports of the police produce. It's like more of like embellishment, like fantasy embellishment of like, you know, internet bullshit. So, um, my God. So July 7th is the day I mentioned earlier, which is one of those two 14-year-old boys were attacked. That's when police started getting really involved in this and thinking there's something going on that's connecting all these

together. So one part of this investigation was they arrested that kid, Vadim, that 14-year-old, because they thought that he was the one responsible for killing his friend. And apparently they beat the shot of this kid. Like they, like 14, they beat the police. Yeah, crazy. So Badim in the middle of being coerced to trying to give a confession and being beaten to death, uh he gave a detailed description of his of his attackers and police started to basically put together like hey the way this kid was attacked and the way that these bodies were found all kind of look alike it was it was two guys a hammer you know so on and so forth not only that but during the death they're during the murder of natalia there were two kids who were hidden who witnessed

the murder and they also showed the police station and gave a detailed description that matched with the deeb's description of the of the killers on july 23rd eager one of the perpetrators he tried to sell sell a cell phone he lifted off of a murder victim at a pawn shop by that point the police had found the guy's body they knew had a cell phone they knew that the cell phone wasn't on him and so they basically put a tracer on it and so whenever the pawn shop owner turned it on to see if it's functional uh it pinged the tower they trying later where it was they go to the pawn shop the pawn shop the boys are in the pawn shop trying to at the time like when this is going on and so they're literally arrested there at the cash register apparently Alex the friend I mentioned earlier who had

their a version of blood he was arrested his home and during his arrest it was found that he had a bunch of items that was lifted off of the different the different victims he was trying to like get rid of late trying to flush stuff down the toilet and stuff like that obviously they're charged with a ton of crimes. So Igor is charged with 21 counts of murder, eight counts of armed robbery and one count of animal cruelty. Victor has 18 murders, five robberies, and one count of cruelty. Alex has two counts of armed robbery. Because I didn't mention this, but in the middle of all this, they were also just like sticking people up and robbing them. So like, that was the lesser of their crimes. And that's where Alex was very involved. So Victor and Alex confessed.

again it being ukraine i'm sure there was some coercion around around but given the fact that there was video evidence like it didn't really matter they were going to get convicted anyways igor maintained his innocence saying he didn't do any any of this so because they videotaped their crimes there really wasn't much of a defense for egore the only defense that he really had was trying to claim insanity like an insanity defense and i looked up what the insanity defense is in in ukraine i don't actually know what it is. I couldn't find legal documentation on how they reference it. So I'll just like articulate how it's defined here in the U.S., which is like probably similar to theirs. So in the U.S., insanity is

established by proving that someone due to a mental defect was unable to control their actions or that they were unable to understand the wrongfulness of their actions. So basically, let's say like you chop someone's head off. Like you get into a fight and you like cut their head off. your best bed to like go to a cushy mental hospital for the next like six years it's like wear their head like a hat like walk around where they're head on the hat and you should be fine if you try and hide the fact that you killed that person and bury them or do something then it proves that you knew what you did was wrong and then you're not insane so

right that's take you out of it in this case yeah they knew it was wrong because they weren't like prancing around with like the entrails of dogs around them like they were like just videotaping themselves and being jerky jerk off stealing stuff and trying to pawn it off the store so oh my god and they try to cover their tracks as an idea so i'm going to get to that one victim july 12th that is the infamous three guys one hammer video that guy's name is sergey yatenko So, Sergei was a 48-year-old cancer survivor, and he did, he actually had a profession, but because of his cancer, he couldn't actually work very well. And he was just basically learning how to talk again when this event ended up happening. He had gone through his chemo, he'd done all that stuff, the surgeries, all that.

So he was just getting back on the men. He was married. He had kids. He actually had one grandchild as well. and we don't really know the details of how things came about all we know is what's the video and what's in the video which again didn't wash not going to you can if you want it starts with sergey on his back in a wooded area and he is being cracked in the face with a hammer that's inside of a plastic bag oh my god one of the boys takes a

giant screwdriver and plunges it into his eyeballs and into his stomach and they do this multiple times and then the other boy continues beating him in the face in the head with the hammer and they're throughout all this they're laughing they're talking they're joking around with each other at one point in in russian they reference how weird it was that he was still kind of breathing when the screwdriver got plunged into his brain so they're like they're discussing this uh the one thing that i read was that the worst part of this video is the sound of gurgling of blood as he's trying to breathe but he was it was it's a really really bad video and throughout this whole thing they're laughing and it sounds like they're doing this next to a pretty major road

because you can hear a car and at one point it sounds like they basically take a pause because it sounds like a car is getting kind of close to them and so they take a breather and then the car the sound goes away and they continue on with their melee so oh my god that was a video of that was played in court by the prosecution it caused a ton so nobody knew this existed until the day was played in court so i can't imagine this wasn't like a jury trial it was a bench trial with like a panel of five judges but i can't imagine like seeing this they were watching this they were watching the animal torture videos there was obvious obviously a correlation between this murder and like the 20 preceding murders where they're all bashed in the face of the hammer and they're all recorded on it there was actually video of them attending the funeral of the people they killed and they would like be flicking off the I mean I looked at the still images of this because I didn't want to watch the video but there's like still images of them flicking off like the corpse of the people they killed at their own funeral like it was there's such horrible fucking monsters like there's absolutely

for shooting as the world and so oh my god there's all this controversy Igor's dad is a lawyer himself and so he took on his defense and he was saying that hey there was other people that could have done this there was like it was like dude you know what man assumed that they didn't kill the other 20 and they only killed this guy in the cats of the dogs they should still fucking go to jail forever like they're on video the judge actually asked one of them at trial they were like is this you on the video and he was like eh it's kind of hard to tell and the judge was like you have eyes don't you it was like obviously it was you i'm looking your face i'm looking at

also it's like 2008 they're not fucking like crazy cg i really recreating things like right no it's definitely them even if you did it today it would still look kind of fake so yeah it was obvious yeah because people don't do that awful exactly exactly so the long story short is that ukraine much like i mentioned last one with russia they don't have a death penalty and so these two ended up getting life sentences they're apparently doing great in jail like their parents their parents are like talking about how like they're being treated really well everything's fine like i don't know why they get the respect they get but they're serving a life sentence in prison

and are they together they are in the same prison but they're not in the same cell got it but Alex he ended up getting a nine-year sentence he was released in 2019 and so he's out running around in ukraine he's apparently married he apparently has kids now and i don't know but only counts Alex is like i mean i guess you're kind of guilty by association like don't be friends with people like this but like it sounds like he didn't do that much wrong he just like robbed a bunch of people at gunpoint which who hasn't who hasn't who hasn't who hasn't done that So yeah, these guys are going to be in prison with the rest of their lives. I forgot what it was.

It was like 15 lives. It doesn't matter. Like it's 15 life sentences. They have enough life sentences where they never get out of jail. I don't get this one because so there was, there's discussions around like what could have driven them to do it. Obviously they were stealing stuff off the bodies, but you can steal stuff without doing what they did.

They had a perverted sense of desire for like violence. And so one stipulation was that they were going to like sell these like stuff videos. or something like right like what were they doing the videos for like were they like yeah like where do they find them like in their rooms i don't know like on their cell phones like they didn't really have cell phones like with a really good cameras so was it like a physical camera it was like okay so the quality i've seen still images of the videos enough to like sense like this was not done on like a 2007 cell phone because a 2007 cell phone wouldn't look this good and it doesn't look good okay but it looks good enough to where it's not on the 2007 cell phone

So there were they were probably on like a yeah like they probably had a camcorder they're recording on um and there was um what was it there was 40 in total they were covered i think it was 48 minutes of videos of them there was other murders that were recorded but they weren't recorded in this graphic of a detail this was done in broad daylight you could clearly see their faces you clearly see the guy on the ground like it was just it was brutal to the next level and that's why that one got the most probably the one thing i couldn't figure out though is why it's called three guys one hammer because by all accounts it was just igor and victor by all accounts Alex wasn't there so i don't know why they call it that i never figured that out

i'm not going to watch the video yeah i don't even want to look it up i kind of like i don't i don't want to know yeah yeah that's horrible yeah it's terrible it's terrible it's weird it's like it's like there's stuff in russia's like so much fucking it's like there's a weird callousness to life it seems like they're i don't know maybe i'm just like projecting but that's what it feels like i think a callous to life is exactly right yeah so so yeah that's just like so cold and horrible up there for everyone also these bangs on this one of them should be in jail for his haircut i don't think those are bangs i don't know what that is but i don't know if i call if i call those bangs wedding of bangs i think about zoi day chanelle not that guy he looks terrible yeah the gross looking

i think okay so i'm gonna do this it's really the no you go to you go you tell me what are you gonna do i'm gonna step away from russia next week because i feel like i try to do too many names i can't pronounce but this um i went down to like a youtube rabbit hole and this was one of the things that i came out of with it and was like it's too it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like least enough to where I kind of remember it and it's like gross and brodie and it's like two sickos that came together for wrong reasons again just be nice to people like who knows these guys probably would have done this anyways but like it's hard to think about like draping yourselves in the entrails of a dog if you're like the you know homecoming king right like you get other

stuff going on sure i mean it's not everybody else is responsibility to make sure everyone's fine but it's also like you know you shouldn't you shouldn't bully people in any case you know you should be nicer to each other and I don't know it's it's crazy to me how fast this was so fast it was like two three four single night moving on moving on moving on like yeah yeah terrible terrible friendship usually just don't you don't see it like that you don't see the best yeah it's definitely like the two of them together and like would they've done it on their own probably not you know so two of them together for whatever reason where the like that was it or like maybe one of them was like needed the other person just to like

give them permission to do this somehow you know in the in the middle of like uh my whole theory of like victimized kids do awful shit i was like i went down uh re researching the sandy hook shooting and reading out that kid man that kid was fucked up like he was do you get anorexia nervosa when they found him he was a hundred and twelve pounds like his body was a hundred and twelve pounds i thought that makes sense i've only seen his face but it was very thin like he was like he had like every disorder he had like autism he had schizophrenia he had anorexia like he had everything and one of the theories was his mom realized like hey this kid is just sitting in the basement and just playing video games he doesn't

see sunlight he doesn't talk to anyone and so what she was going to do was like buy an rv and like go on a road trip with him so he could like see other parts of the world and maybe like it sounds like she was kind of trying to do something to like snap him out of it yeah it doesn't sound like he kills her first right yeah i don't know it that whole it's scary it's also scary to like i mean i guess for like igor the third kid like if your good kid gets in gets all like tangled up with bad kids you know like that can happen too

which is terrible and it's like they were there of course so they're not like innocent but also like Alex was the better one Alex was the one who was only armed armed robberies yeah and he had good parents in this thing yeah Alex yeah like I feel like

he was just like sucked into this by these guys are like we'll help you get over your fear of blood in the most bloody way possible He's like, I'm okay. I don't need to get up with this fear. This is rational. Yeah. I'm going to be an accountant. It's fine. That story was awful. Like, rereading Sandy Hook, I was like, holy shit. Like, I mean, that was like, that was 11 years ago. Yeah, that was 11 years ago. It was fucking crazy. Just absolutely the worst thing possible.

Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, that's my story for today. I will view us. away from Russia because I need to stop doing people whose names I can't pronounce and yeah next week I'll come with something to be new somewhere new I'm gonna go I'm gonna go way back again I'm gonna go I'm gonna go to ancient times next week I know I need to go to okay I'm gonna go to agent Persia sometime soon I can't find anything in ancient Persia but I will find something and because I promised you I would and I definitely will and I'm super interested. So yeah, if you are an ancient Persian historian, please give me an email so that you can help me pick up a story, but I will find one. And I promise I would. We have plenty of time,

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