Doomed to Fail - Ep 61: Engineering Disasters Part 1 - The 1981 Kansas City Hyatt Skywalk Collapse

Episode Date: October 30, 2023

Join us as Farz starts a terrifying journey into engineering disasters. Starting with the 1981 collapse of the Skywalk at the Kansas City Hyatt. During an evening dance in the lobby on July 17, two suspended walkways collapsed onto each other. One hundred fourteen people lost their lives, soaking the lobby in blood and becoming the worst structural disaster in the US until 9/11.What went so wrong? Who is to blame? Is it the engineers? Kansas City? Is it Hallmark, somehow?(Also, we made it through this entire episode without mentioning Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce! But Taylor did sing 'Everything's up to date in Kansas City', who doesn't love an 80-year-old cultural reference!)Pics via the CC and Midjourney #ai Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail]  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In a matter of the people of the state of California, first is Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do. Bantz banter. Here we go. Ready to kick things off. Welcome to doomed to fail. The podcast will we cover a true crime and or historical topic of issues that were doomed to fail or subjects. And I'm Fars joined here by Taylor. We are semi-awake. Frozen. You froze for me. Say that again? You lost me at subjects. We cover subjects that are doomed to fail. And we are semi-tired, I think. I think you made me a lot more tired than I was when I logged on 30 seconds ago. Is it my general voice and attitude? I was so tired. And I feel like, I feel like you're making me tired.

You're literally like you look like you're on falsely. Your head is barely being supported. I really feel like I could right now I could probably just fall asleep for like I'm a really good napper or two if you're like we have an hour to nap I'd be like great I'm in I'm just like do it so if you bring it up I'm going to do it especially now because I don't know what it is when that transition happens between like you know hot weather and cold and when like starts turning to fall like it's just so much easier just be sitting inside like right now it is getting starting to get dark It's about 52 degrees here, the coldest it's been in forever. And it's just like, yeah, it's just perfect, stay at home, light up, fireplace, and eat chilly weather, you know? Yeah, I definitely feel that way. Also, like, the, yeah, I spent some time outside today, like, planting some things and doing things before it gets too cold.

But I'm like, yeah, all of a sudden it's about to get too cold to really, like, do things, I guess. Is it cold there right now? no i probably isn't cold based on like other people's perception of what cold is it's probably like 70 honestly um and i'm okay i don't like it's winter i don't think it's cold i think it's pretty nice it's very very sunny it's beautiful um but yeah i have some plans like we spent a lot of money at the home depot yesterday i'm going to paint part of our patio floor like checkered you know the black and white checkers so i bought it some concrete paint and it taped up the bathroom

I'm going to paint some of the bathroom. I just felt like doing some home renovation stuff. But that's fun. That's why I'm a little tired. Yeah, it's very fun. Give to myself all these projects that I don't have time for, but I'm doing them anyway. So I can kind of complain about the weather because it is not in the 70s here. It's like the very, very, it's about to be in the 40s.

So it's not terrible. Oh God, no. Oh my God. That'd be horrible. Yeah, rainy, rainy in like in the 40s. so um cool well we can go ahead and kick things off i think i go first today right you do you do okay do you want to let us know what you're sipping on yep my um my themed drink of the evening is just some red wine because we are once again going back to ancient rome and i just assume that's the only thing you were able to drink

there that's it oh and it gets water because of the aqueducts that will probably we just use most of it to make wine probably i thought the reason they drank a lot of wine was because wine was the safest thing to drink because there was like alcohol in it i think there's like a part of that with like in the history of the world where like water so many opportunities for water to kill you you know especially when like there's no sanitation and like all those things so i think like there was like i don't know like weak beer, you know, was drank for breakfast because it had a little bit of like whatever the fermenting process did, maybe got rid of some of the poop germs. I don't know. I'm not scientist.

I definitely treated differently. I did have a thought, one of those rare moments, the rare occasion when I have a thought earlier this weekend. I was thinking, do people in Mexico get insulted when we say you can't drink the water there? Is that like kind of like an insult? I mean, I don't know it's true. I never drank the water in Mexico. I don't know, but it is, it is true, but it's just like, but it's the same truth. And, like, the thing about time travel is you couldn't drink the water. You couldn't eat the food. You would die immediately. The thing that would kill you in time travel is the food.

You know what I mean? If you wanted to, like, King Arthur's court, you couldn't, if you ate, like, some, whatever, you would die. And so I feel like, it's just like, if you grow up around that kind of, it's like, if you grew up around it, then you're okay. So if you always lived in Mexico and those places, like, you're fine, but it's just like a new, a new thing to other people. That also makes you sick, right? Yeah, but nobody says you don't drink the water in Texas, you know? Well, because probably the water in Texas isn't as bad, different and bad.

You know what I mean? Right. Like compared to other water. Yeah, fair. You know. I mean, Austin has had a, it's a fair amount. of boil water alerts you know where you have to boil water freezing it so yeah we're getting into that season yeah we're definitely yeah that season too good point yeah very fair point uh that's awesome

are you actually drinking wine uh no because i'm going to go to the grocery store after this with the kids so i should not be drinking before that fair it's very responsible of you i am I'm just drinking Diet Coke because I just want to have a Diet Coke. I'm drinking Diet Coke, too. Oh, my God. I'm really drinking one, too. Thanks. Oh, my God.

I love Diet Coke so much. Did I ever tell you how I used to work at a hedge fund and one of my bosses went to like a investor meeting at the Coca-Cola factory in Atlanta and he brought me back a necklace that had like a little fake diamond and a heart that said I love Diet Coke. That's so fun. That's very fun. Yeah. So I'll go in and kick us off then.

Are you ready? That's it. Are you prepared? I am. I'm sad. I can't see your face because we went off camera because you froze for a second. But I will, I'll imagine your face. I can turn it back on.

I think it's, I think it's your internet. But it doesn't say me. It doesn't say me either. Okay, fine. Let's try it. And if you freeze and I'll turn it off. Deal. Here's my face.

like a little forehead so you try not to laugh well i laughed that was funny and i have a big forehead too and i was also laughing that you're wearing a long-sleeved shirt because you're usually in a tank top so it's also funny um so here's a secret i went to yoga this morning and i am you a necklace no this is a shock collar because luna's acting up got it yeah no i went to yoga this morning and and after yoga i wore this hoodie because i was like drenched and sweat and it's cold outside and i came home and i started watching tv and i lay down and i fell asleep and i woke up for this and totally forgot to like take a shower so that's why i'm wearing this that's cool i'm wearing my paint and clothes okay so you ready i am great so i've been recently getting interested more and more

and engineering related disasters. And I've sort of talked about this before in the past. So I covered two Ocean Gate related disasters, which were the Bifur Dolphin and the cursed submarine a while ago, if you recall. Yeah. I'm also getting into the concept of ripping things off that you start Taylor.

And so I'm going to follow in your volcanologist footpath, Seth. Oh, how dare you? And I want to start a five-part series about deadly engineering disasters. Oh, very fun. Right? I love it. And I thought of it all myself after seeing what you did and then copying it.

I can't wait to hear. Yay. Yay for engineering disasters. Hell yeah. So today, I'm going to start part one of that series. And I'm going to cover something that I was kind of surprised to learn. The topic I'm going to cover is the second deadliest building collapse in U.S. history, only second to the Twin Towers.

It is the deadliest non-deliberate collapse of a building ever. or in the history of the U.S. Cool. Yeah. So usually for the topic of this show, we talk about two things that came together and disaster and calamity struck. And my story today, it's about two things that did not come together that should have come together.

And the fact that they did not come together is why disaster struck. Today, we're discussing the Kansas City Hyatt Regency Disaster. Have you heard of this? Yes. Okay. Gotcha. Yeah, I got one you're familiar with. You what?

I got one you're familiar with. No, I have. And I remember, I think, I feel like at one point, I was like at work at the job that we shared, and I was Googling pictures of this story. And there's a lot of very vivid pictures of dead bodies. Right? Yeah, I'm going to talk about that later.

Okay, I'm excited, go. It's bad. Territory, go ahead. So fun. So this disaster. occurred in 1981 but we're going to start with the initial background of

kind of the major players of what was going on here so construction kicked off in 1978 in Kansas City, Missouri and the parties involved is going to be the most relevant part here the parties involved, four of them that are important. One is the Crown Center Redevelopment Corporation

so this was a subsidiary of Hallmark Cars, which is one of the biggest employers in Kansas City, their HQ is there, and they bought up about 85 acres of downtown Kansas City, which apparently at this time or before this time was kind of a shithole. And they were trying to turn it into like a fun, cool, interesting thing because homework's like a family brand. You know, it's like they didn't want to be associated with like rhyme and all that stuff. And so they wanted to basically put their corporate dollars

towards developing the center. Fars. Have you seen? I'm laughing a lot because I know the answer is no. The musical Oklahoma. Of course I have not seen the musical Oklahoma. Okay. Then this is a rhetorical question. It's for everyone else. But there's a part in Oklahoma where like they're out there and like they're in these like frontier homesteading small towns. And one of the guys goes to Kansas City and he comes back and he sings a song about how amazing Kansas City is. And he goes, everything's up to date in Kansas City. They've gone about as far as they can go. They went and built the sky, scraper seven stories high about as high as people ought to go. you're welcome so i cannot think about kansas city without thinking everything's up to date in kansas city when did that song come out you know play come out oh my god like the nineteen fifty okay yeah yeah so so it's interesting because like there was a there was a there was a bit of like a um oh i'm sorry it's 1931 1931 so there was so kansas only 43 anyway kewing whatever same real house doesn't matter so kansas city did have like this

economic boom happening and they were kind of left behind the other cities they just didn't invest in the city itself as much and like this whole thing that hallmark did was supposed to be the biggest part of like that investment is seriously i look this up now and the vibe of this general area is very like universal city walk you know so like it's almost like a destination now so like there's a lego land there's a really cool aquarium looking thing there's an ice skating range there's places for kids to go create cards for them like you know it's just like a a very family oriented vibrant part of the town now part of the country now but at that time this this redevelopment center this corporation at a hallmark established was the entity that was responsible for doing this

And part of what they did was grant out the license to a hotel in a 40-story hotel to Hyatt, which at that time was known as kind of like the haughty brand. Like it was like one of the nicer brands of hotels. I don't know where they rank now. I think they're like still somewhere up there. But yeah, that was why they did it was because they were like, we want to be associated with like glitz and glamour and Hyatt is the glitious and glamourious spot. There was an engineering firm called Gillum and Associates run by the head engineer named Jack

D. Gillum, and they were the structural engineering firm that was hired to build the hotel itself. There was Havens Steel, and this was a steel fabricator who was contracted out by Gillum to manufacture the steel components required in construction of the building based on the architectural requirements that Gilliman Associates provide them. Clear? Yeah. Okay. So I'll start by painting a bit of a picture of how the building was designed.

You've already seen the picture, so you already know what's going on. So this is for the people who are listening, which I guess is why we're doing the show anyways. Yeah. That's just for me? That's just for you. So the most important and relevant part of this topic is the lobby area. So this was back in the late 70s, the era of like big atriums. So you'd walk into a hotel, and in this case, four stories of the lobby was just an atrium, like this giant open space.

And for the most part, you'd have the hotel rooms in the periphery, like on the perimeter of the atrium, and then above it on the regular force. That's the way it was kind of designed. Yeah. Yeah. And one of the things, one of the design elements that Hyatt and Gillum and Associates chose to really make this design. stand out had to do with a floating or several floating walkways that ran the length of the atrium north to south and connected the second third and fourth floors. So on two sides, there's rooms and there's these giant walkways that are 120 feet across

each that are that gives you access to them essentially. The floating part of this is the problematic part and the way they made it seem like it was floating was that the walkways weren't they didn't have peers that they sat on the way that most walkways do they were suspended from the ceiling it kind of reminds me now that you say that remember how i know you've seen the harry potter movies correct i've yes of course okay great just there's something that you've seen but um how like you know how the staircase is always like move in there and you're like it's so dangerous why would you ever have staircase is a move like that makes sense but you know there I've recently

unlocked a new spell in the Hogwarts legacy game where I can do that where I can move things around like that with my wand oh nice yes dangerous I'm a very very talented wizard so as I mentioned there's three walkways that did this so there's a walkway there was a second floor walkway a third floor walkway and a fourth floor walkway the third four walkway is irrelevant third four walkway has done to with any of this because that was kind of off the side it was doing its own thing it's not a part of this whole gang of walkways we're only dealing with walkways two and four and for the purposes of understanding how they're aligned walkway two is underneath walkway four they're

directly stacked on top of each other with two four separating them cool like i said each walkway 120 feet long each walkway weighed about 64 000 pounds it was comprised of steel beams gurgers as are called as well as glass and carpet and all the other stuff that goes on top of that. So two years after construction began, the hotel officially opened on July 1st, 1980. The Hyatt would host what's called private tea dance parties every Friday in the lobby,

which actually didn't know what a tea dance was. I looked this up and it actually said, there was two sources on this. One source says that it's a gay singles mixer, which I don't think this was, because it was like Kansas City in like the 1980s. Yeah. And then the other one is like,

Is this like a fancy tea party? It's like a fancy tea and coffee party thing. I don't know. Like it feels like it feels like it's like a dance. Yeah, it's like a lot of like older people, you go and you like, you know, have some drinks as a band. It's just like a dance.

Yeah, it seems fun, she's fun. It seems lovely. In the pictures that you see, you can see that there's like, you know, big posters and flowers up about this party. And so anyways, so about a year after the opening of this hotel, we're looking at Friday, July 17th, 1981, roughly 1,600 people came to the Hyatt for this T dance party.

So based on eyewitness statements, about 40 people were standing on walkway 2, about 20 people were standing on walkway 4. Eyewitnesses state that around 7 o'clock, 7.05 is the exact time they say it happened. And it sucks because the dance was supposed to be over at 8. But anyways, at 7.05 p.m. there was a loud crack. sound and walkway four dropped several inches it held there for a few seconds and then it fell complete the two stories down on top of walkway two and then both of them crashed to the first four atrium level so which one had 40 people on it walkway two do walkway four have

people on it yeah walkway four had 20 approximately 20 people on it Got it. Yeah. Okay. Most of the people who were underneath walkway two or the people who were on walkway two were killed immediately, obviously, like if you can picture it. Only 29 people were eventually pulled from the rubble. In total, about 114 people were killed and about over 200 were injured.

The entire lobby basically turned to this makeshift recovery zone. There were so many problems that I would never have expected that arise. So for example, when the walkways fell, they ruptured water lines for the sprinkler system. And so the first floor started flooding. And so there was people, one guy named Mark Williams, this story's awful. This guy, apparently what happened to him was when the walk, he was underneath, I don't know where he was in terms of like the orientation. Somehow someone, he was underneath all this rubble.

What happened was he did the split completely breaking and dislocating both of his legs. on the ground like just with these shattered useless appendages and he almost drowned because the sprinkler system was running and it was like flooding this this first floor that guy stayed in that full split position for nine hours until he was rescued i don't know how you don't go into shock i think i legitimately be like dude like after like our not after like 20 minutes like did just someone put a bull in my head like please like this is there is nothing more terrifying to me than being in a collapsed building or like a collapsed thing you know yeah i wrote here i wrote here the stories that i read like it all reminded me of oklahoma city like every

detail we read of like what happened okloma city that's exactly what this was was like the other thing i read that was interesting was that these walkways were fucking huge and they had like first responders had no means of moving them all they were they were using like carjacks right just can't support 70,000 pounds like it's they're not made for that and so one thing that was really interesting was the the community in Kansas City like completely came together around this so the first responders reached out to construction firms and asking I mean this is like 7 p.m. on a Friday they're asking on people like hey we need help all this equipment would come in like like um forklifts and stuff like that to come in to kind of support this but that also is what caused such a long delay and

trying to get help to the 29 people that underneath the rubble because they just didn't have the equipment to do it wow yeah and there was all these stories they use a fucking chainsaw to amputate someone's leg underneath the rubble to get them out nightmare like horror show yeah the um the conference space in the hotel basically turned into a makeshift morgue in a triage center um and yeah this is where you mentioned so if you look at there's one photo of the lobby right after the collapse during the rescue operation and it's the one that has like a black forklift in the bottom right corner and if you look at that picture behind it it is just a fucking pool of blood

like these people were made into like like just batter like it was right they were just smashed oh my god yeah yeah it was horrific one one other thing that i listened to a podcast about this one thing they raised was that at this time there was no concept of like um post-traumatic stress like it wasn't a thing and there was no counseling for people and so this incident is one of the major reasons why it became a standard piece of practice for first responders to get access to um psychological help and therapy after witnessing things like this because it was so bad oh you mean for specifically for the first responders I bet yeah yeah yeah and and I read so if you look at videos of this stuff on

YouTube you'll scroll down and you'll see all this stuff saying like hey my dad was was a firefighter when this happened I remember this like he still remembers that he falls asleep and he can't fall like it is like these people are more like really badly traumatized obviously oh my god of course oh so the meat potatoes of this really for me is like how did this end up happening so yeah go through that piece of it so So to understand how this happened, we're going to start with what the design was for these floating walkways. So each walkway was made using basically for 30 foot long pieces that were kind of put together and combined to make the entire 120 foot length.

Each of these pieces was put together using iron girders. So it's basically just giant iron bars that you'd imagine that you use for construction to put like a building together, right? Yeah. So there's several problems here. One of them was that these were C-shaped girders. So usually a lot of times you'll see girders and they're like, they look like an eye, for example. If you look at them from the side, they look like an eye or in this case, they can also like

C's. So what they did was they would put two of these girders side by side, they'd weld them together. So if you looked at it like head on, like you were looking through a telescope, it would look like a square, like a really thick square is what it would look like. I see, I'm seeing this. I'm seeing these diagrams. Yeah, exactly. And so there's this hollow space in the middle.

And that's kind of problem number one, which I'll come back to here in a moment. Even you tell me this about these girders makes you want to throw up. I know. I just feel nauseous. Continue. I know. It's like the other side of like terrifying true crime is building collapse. Oh, I never want to be on a bridge again.

Keep going. Pritches are on the topic list. So regarding the floating illusion, the way it was supposed to work where they're going to use these iron hangar rods, they would run from the base of walkway 2 through the gurgers of walkway 4 up the ceiling and be suspended from the ceiling. So they would be passing through the hollow part of the girder I just mentioned and there would be nuts screwing them into the base of the gurgers on the floor above and below. Make sense? Yes. So picture one super long rod. That's how it works. Okay?

Right. And then it just like, yes, I feel like that totally makes sense. So using this design, Walkway 4 would only have to support its own weight. Because the weight of Walkway 2 would be supported by the iron bars hooked up to the ceiling. Okay. So picture this way. If me and you were on a rope and I'm higher up on the rope than you are, I'm not supporting your weight and you're not supporting my weight. We're two totally separate entities, weight-wise, on this rope.

Make sense? Right. Yeah, let's never do that because I'm very bad at hanging on ropes. Do you remember in elementary school, they make you do the climb the rope thing in gym? Honestly, if you were like, Taylor, you have to climb this rope right now or die, I would die. I physically cannot do it. There's no way. Absolutely not, ever.

Never in my life. I feel like gym class, like, didn't get the memo that, like, we were not of the generation that we're going to be rope climbers. I think it broke my cock six months when I tried to climb a rope in elementary school. I was a fat little kid, though. I was a little tubbers. Thank God that's over. So in February of 1979, mid-construction, Havens Steel decided to change the design of those rods. the one super long rod from a single super long rod to two smaller rods. The reason being that construction of one super long rod would have been difficult since it needed

to be fully threaded to allow the nut to be fast at different intervals in between the walkways. And they also said that because it's kind of like a delicate design anyways, it is more less than to be damaged during assembly. So let's not do it that way. Instead, what they proposed was, walkway two would have a rod running from its base to the iron girder in walkway four, then walkway four would have a rod running from its iron girder to the ceiling. So the difference there that seems like not even that big of a deal is that using my rope analogy, in this hypothetical, the way that this is designed, you are no longer holding you the rope.

You are holding my leg. I am holding the rope. Make sense? Okay, yeah, and that seems worse, right? Yeah, yeah, it seems dramatically worse. Yeah. So one thing to note is that in this situation, this actually isn't up to the steel fabricator to check the integrity of this design change. That's up to the engineering firm in charge.

So it was later revealed that only one phone call happened between Haven Steel and Gillum and Associates regarding this change, and then no calculations were review of the design was ever made. And basically, Gillum just rubber-stamped this change and said, yep, let's move forward with it. What's interesting is that later on, Gillum, Jack D. Gillum, would state that this change was so obviously stupid that even a first-year associate or first-year architecture student should have been able to catch it.

But it was like, anybody who saw it was like, yeah, that's why it happened. That's exactly why it happened. It is worth noting that even with the original. design, it was only 60% as strong as it should have been based on the building codes from Missouri at the time. With this update, it was 30% as strong as it should have been for the building codes of the design. Yeah. And remember, it went through the hollow part of the steel. So if you recall earlier, what I mentioned was that walkway four dropped several inches, stop, then drop. What happened was it sheared the bolt through the from the weight of holding walkway to sheared the first

part of this well that it wasn't strong enough to hold anyways fell down and caught on the second well and then obviously at that point it was just completely fucked and fell so oh my god i'm gonna have so many nightmares tonight i just like i don't want to start to cry yeah it was it was bad it was really really bad and what ended up happening was that everybody got dragged into lawsuits in total somewhere around $300 million worth of lawsuits were flinging around. There were some class actions when there were some individual ones. In the end, Gilman Associates was ultimately held grossly negligent, liable. They did not actually face criminal charges.

Their charges were more subble in nature. They ended up losing their engineering license, but no jail time was ultimately served by anybody. Hallmark is the one that got fucked the most. So Hallmark, I don't actually, I couldn't understand like why Hallmark was the one that was like, like hallmark's not making decisions based on they're not engineers or card manufacturers they make right birthday cards but they're the ones or the crown center redevelopment which is a part of hallmark it's a subsidy rate they're the ones who ended up paying the most they're about 140 million dollars to victims and families and it seems like gillowellon associates

their punishment was mostly just like you're never allowed to work ever again basically is what it ball down to now it seems like jack gillam actually jack gillam died in 2012 um but up to that point he was a frequent uh guest lecturer in engineering schools and colleges around the country basically like this is what happens like this is like it's god what was the um it was there was some saying i read there was like when a doctor fucks up one person is killed when an engineer fucks up thousands of people can be killed and like that's yeah Yeah. I never thought about it that way, but yeah, that's true.

That's real. Absolutely. Oh. Yeah. So in total, they ended up paying $140 million out. About three months after the collapse, the hotels reopened. But it's like, I would never walk it out. Wait, is it still there?

You can still say there? Yeah, it's called the Sheraton, Kansas City at Crown Center now. It's a huge hotel. They expanded it. They sold it. Yeah. Like, in the lobby really hasn't really. changed at all. What's changed is the walkways. The walkways are apparently now considered the

strongest in the entire world. They built them? Yeah, they basically poured like all the cement that existed in the entire world into making these hallway, into making these walkways. But yeah, like there's walkways still, except they're not suspended anymore. They actually have trusses underneath them to hold them up into place. I just don't know why. I mean, I can't. There's so many ghosts there. So many ghosts.

It's like the center. It's the center of this whole 85 acres. It's like, but if you look at the picture of it now, like it's been updated. There's some things that are like exact. So there's one part next to where the walkways fell, like the left of where the walkways fell. There's just like weird indentational design element that does this thing. Yeah, yeah. That's still there today.

That is so, I feel like you should change everything about it. Most importantly, never have walkways again. Like, cool, they're safe, but no. So many ghosts. So many ghosts. Yeah, this was like a huge deal. And like, there's a whole like side quest here that I started going down and was like, this is going to, I'm not going to track this all the way to the end.

But apparently the local newspaper, this was like basically all they covered. And they won't like pull surprises for this for over the quarter. of like nearly two years of like writing articles about what happened the trial everything and people were fucking pissed like people in kansas city were really really pissed because ultimately the blame landed on the owner of everything which was a hallmark but hallmark everybody everybody worked at hallmark and so the people there were like we want to forget this like it is a it's a weird cultural nightmare that we're all living through but we want to forget this and you guys are continuously writing about it you're making

our employer look bad and like ultimately they didn't do anything like they're not approving architectural designs like they make cards like so um all at all yeah horrible horrible nightmare horrible tragedy um just never stand under floating walkways i read this i feel like a long time ago i was reading about this and i read a story of like a couple who was there with like their best friends and they were all at the bar getting a glass of wine and the couple was like oh our favorite songs playing we're going to go dance and they went and danced and they never saw them again yeah it was like they were 30 feet away and then they were just like smashed so freaky so freaky oh my god I hate it so much these pictures

those pictures are are horrifying I mean you're just so gory also in split seconds yeah like a split second you're fucking a puddle of blood it's literally that like you are a puddle of blood like there's nothing left of you it's so i mean that one picture is the one that gets me the one with um the the forklift um yeah yuck but um but yeah that is the first oh my god this one's really bad too this one's all the dried blood oh it's all the carpets are covered are covered in blood you can google it america and Canada and people listen to this but yeah oh my god yeah the got the carp is just blood it's just covered in blood it's interesting because like at this time i was reading about like how um the architectural standards and requirements were like kind of shady

so do you remember that building that came down in um in miami but he just literally collapsed yes so absolutely awful i hate it thank those buildings that were all built in like the 70s and like early early 80s like they just did not they were not subject to the same review standard as buildings are today there's a whole host one thing i didn't bring up here is that before this accident happened as the building was being constructed the fucking roof fell in so the roof also didn't have sufficient supports the roof caved in gilliman associates agreed to do to tack on to their contract to run another inspection of the roof and to build a new roof and that was it they didn't inspect anything else no other parts of design was inspected after this roof collapsed but that also

was a thing like things i don't know it was just really easy going back then it seems like like we could have been so many opportunities there's so many opportunities to have like one little thing that if no one was like overseeing the whole thing you know what i mean like i feel like when like this is not 100% true but when the brooklyn bridge was being built they like did half of it with like 50% strong the strength that they should have used until someone finally noticed and made them change it but like companies are going to be like oh this makes it a little bit easier but if like a bunch of people are like this will be a little bit easier then the whole thing's going to fall apart you know yeah yeah it seems like that was a case there's no oversight yeah I feel so sad for all these old people this old people dance I know I mean I don't know I kind of feel worse with the guy that was like doing the splits for nine hours did anyone actually drown looking at them no nobody drowned

No, because when they realized what was happening, I don't remember who the person's, what the person's name was, when they realized, like, oh, there's still people here and they're going to drown, they bulldozed, like, part of the building to let all the water out. And it was just like a rash decision. We got to get, somehow we got to get this water out of here. And so they just bulldozes, but he was, like, very close to drowning before somebody realized it. Wow. Yeah. That's horrible. I'm excited for four more horrible stories and to never go.

into a building again. Engineering stuff freaks me out. So scary. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. So that's where we landed. Taylor and I are going to have a very, very fun update for folks going to the holiday season that we are not going to rebuild yet, but it's going to be very, very fun and very interesting and cool. And I think y'all are going to like it. We have some fun stuff coming up. And Taylor, do we have any announcements before we kick off and restart? Yeah, well, our good friend, Nadine from Canada, who is one of our first people who emailed us, she offered to send us voice clips of her saying French words because we do a terrible job, which is super nice.

So thank you, Nadine. We will definitely reach out to you for that. Super nice. If we could find someone that could also do that for Russian names, that would be great. It would be great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that would be awesome. I know I know people who say aggression. I can make some calls.

Okay. Text some people. Yeah. You can pull that card out whenever we can. Sweet. So we'll go ahead and kick things off. We'll rejoin you all on Wednesday. And as usual, please do write, subscribe, do all the things.

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