Doomed to Fail - Ep 63: Veep Vibes - Exploring the Lives and Legacies of Vice Presidents

Episode Date: November 6, 2023

We kick this week off with Taylor telling the stories of 5 of our most notorious Vice Presidents, Aaron Burr, Millard Fillmore, William Rufus King, Henry Wallace, and Spiro T. Agnew. Of the 49 people who have been VP some are nearly lost to history, while others are forever remembered for one or two special things (looking at you, Mr. Burr - could you IMAGINE if he could see a production of Hamilton!) Reverse shout out to Taylor's horrible US History teacher!Who is your fav VP? Let us know! [e-mail] via the CC and Midjourney! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] When Did the Vice Presidency Stop Going to the 2nd Place Winner and More Questions From Our ReadersComplete List - America's Worst Vice Presidents - TIME15 vice presidents who became president themselvesNumber One Observatory Circle - WikipediaAaron Burr - WikipediaThe 175-Year History of Speculating About President James Buchanan's BachelorhoodWilliam R. King - WikipediaMillard Fillmore - WikipediaSpiro Agnew - WikipediaHenry A. Wallace - Wikipedia Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In the matter of the people of the state of California, first is Hortonthal James Simpson. Case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. We're going to the computer. There we go. And we're off. And Taylor, this time you're making me tired.

I am very tired. I feel like I have a Victorian wasting disease, but I'm not wasting away. I'm just tired. Like, I just, like, can't. I'm so tired. Is there just being older? Maybe. I don't know.

Because I'm like, no matter how much I sleep, I don't feel like I've slept enough. And like, I just have so many responsibilities and it sucks. I mean, you know. Relatively. Relatively, it sucks. You know what I mean? Yeah. Exactly.

So I woke up and looked to myself this morning in the mirror and was like, fuck, I look old. I was like, yeah, like my skin looks bad. My wrinkles were coming out. And I was like, oh, God, this is the, beginning of the end um yeah for real oh my god my mom mom what are you talking about okay I'm so sorry we are texting about Britney Spears's biography which I just finished which was really upset and my mom is like I'm not going to read it it's about publicity I'm like we're talking about mom everyone's terrible except Britney Spears it's about publicity what does she mean

like she's like oh it's just she just wants people to like be on her side and you're like yeah i'm 100% on her side i'm 100 we just destroyed her south against the whole world south part did the do you see that south park episode of course we're it's like we should just kill her in public yeah it was exactly what we did to her yeah and then that's before all the really bad stuff happened you know like everyone as everyone is in trouble for that one well i didn't do anything i didn't do anything you were there you didn't say anything oh god

I could have saved Brittany so it's where did you see the doc no I read her book oh okay yeah it just came out or something yeah it just came out like a couple weeks ago I'm sure it's good

finished it it is it's just it's just sad it's a whole it's a sad story her parents are fucking terrible she's like my sister's a bitch which she sounds like she is and you just feel so bad for her I feel somewhat complicit actually because her that guy she married Sam whatever he was Iranian and so I have to claim him as part of our own and when it started I was like don't do the thing where you just get married to someone for their money in fame and then take it from the like just please change the dynamic of Iranians in this country

please but he didn't well I don't think there's an Iranian stereotype of you guys marrying famous people for money is there I would marry a famous person for money well yes it doesn't mean like all your people have that stereotype

if I do it it is eat it um no I think he's I think he seems nice like he he was kind of weird that he was there when she was under her conservatorship with her dad but she also

they got divorced after like right now they're getting divorced and he's like I wish her the best in as opposed to Justin Timberlake who turned off all of us Instagram comments because everybody wants to see him sent to the moon wait I don't hold on said how he was the worst he they dated like he married her like for like a year like not even that it doesn't make you a bad person well I guess he did it for quite a while yeah I guess they first met in 2016. They got engaged in 21. They got married in 22. Oh, you know what? Hold on. So the two got engaged in September, 2021. Before marrying, Ashgari and Spears signed a pre-up agreement to protect Spears estimated $60 million fortune.

She was pregnant with her third child and Ashgari's first. I mean, I know all this. Oh, okay. Well, he's not, okay, so he wasn't after her for money. Okay, fine. a bad guy well stop being prejudiced where's my people then damn it not like the rest of those iranians always marrying people for their money i've heard that from several places barbara stricy i'm coming for that gold um anyways here we are now are you drinking taylor uh i'm drinking ginger ale

which is part of my theme because it's like not as good as actually drinking and then i will get some wine when it's your turn is my plan oh so should i have wine while it's your turn if you want to you don't have to do i have to do i have You can wait. No, you don't have to do anything. All right, fine. I'm going to wait. Did you do our intro? Oh, yeah. Sorry. Welcome to Doom to Fail.

This is going to be fine. Okay. This is me a long one. I want to open my own one. Welcome to Doom to Fail. Podcast, we cover two relationships that were doomed to fail, one historic, one True Prime. I'm Farr's joined here by Taylor. Taylor is going to go first today.

We were just having a bunch of banter and forgot that we were supposed to be doing a podcast because we're we are actually friends in real life people taylor's not faking a friendship i'm not making taylor up as a friend she's a real friend we do not a i yes it's true text sometimes it's true it's true um yeah just you know we're team brittany and i speak for both of us yeah why do we want to send just i saw that you posted something on facebook about let's tell all kill just and timberlake and i was like why I said, let's throw him into the sun. Well, he...

I would kill him, though. He, well, I know, but he sucks. He said that, like, he, like, got really famous on the idea that, like, she was terrible and he was, like, this, like, slated person when he did tons of bad things to her. Like, he cheated on her a ton before, you know, he, like, released his Crimea River song. He just, like, did all this stuff. And then he also made her have an abortion. Like, it was ultimately, obviously her decision because she did it, but she, like, didn't want you.

She got pregnant when she was 19, and he didn't want her to do it. And so instead of like taking her to a doctor, they had her take it was early enough that she could take like an abortion pill. So she was like on the floor of the bathroom like bleeding and crying and a ton of pain and he brought his guitar in and sang her song so I could feel better. And I've just never felt more intense rage in my whole entire life against anything more than I have against 19 year old Justin Timberlick with a fucking guitar being like, no, no, no, no, sorry that you aren't having me anymore. Anyway, point, point. I'm not proud of a lot of things I've done in my past. So if I'm judged by the standard I set when I was 19, that it is, I should also be thrown into the sun.

I will say, your point is correct. Again, we're going to reach the same conclusion, Taylor, again and again, again, for totally different reasons. Yeah. I agree with you because you cheat on Jessica Biel. Yeah. Well, she sucks in her own right, because she was like, she does anti-vaccine videos with RFK Jr.

I don't know if I, I'd never seen that. Wow. She's done that. Yeah. It's the world. It's the internet. Jessica Biel. The world is the internet.

Um, so anyways. We're going to fact check Taylor in real time. I will. Biel, RFK, who is now running as an independent. Which is going to be really interesting. She lobbied with vaccine, anti-vaxxer RFK Jr. K Jr. to review anti-vaccine bills.

And then she says, I'm not anti-vax. Well, okay, well, you make a video with anti-vax. I roll these. Jessica Biel lobbies with anti-vex and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Don't pretend that you're not when you are. She lobbied against a bill for vaccines for children.

And it was one of those ones where it's like parents should make those decisions. And you're like, no, they shouldn't. the doctor should we're talking about wait it says look the bill was to it would limit medical exemptions from vaccines without approval from a state public health officer so wait the state wanted to pass a bill or whatever whatever house wanted to pass a bill to limit medical exemptions from vaccines without approval and so she was trying to

reverse that or go counter to that so in that situation it wouldn't limit medical exemptions from vaccines the bill was trying to limit medical exemptions so she would say like we think she wanted to make it easier for people to say no to vaccines is the answer interesting um anyway anyway they have enough press they don't need us they're dumb who cares I would like to hang out of them if they said they wanted to come on this podcast and do an interview would you say no no of course not but they're not going to do that so why doesn't matter Pamela you got to start thinking positively but absolutely will not um okay so here we go we're starting off strong we're starting on with anti-vaxer killing justin beaver and no just in december yeah jesson beber just in temberley sorry beaver you're okay we'll will allow you to live you're safe Um, okay. So Taylor, what are we going to be discussing today? Um, let me get my, my paper up. Um, all right. So I'm going to do a bit of an anthology. And I'm going to name some names and then you tell me who I'm talking about. Okay. Okay. I'm just going to start naming names and then I'll pause after each one and you let tell me what they have. Well,

guess I'll deem to you when you tell me that have in common. Deal. Elbridge Jerry. William R. King. Nothing. Hannibal Hamlin. Oh, Shakespeare. P. Morton. Nope.

Levi P. Morton. No. Jeans. Elbin W. Barclay. What was that one? What do you guess? Jeans. No.

Charles Curtis. John Garner, Shailer Kofax, William Wheeler? William Wheeler? Nope. Okay, now I'll give you an easy one. Richard Nixon? Gerald Ford. Dan Quail.

Members of the House. Al Gore. Representatives, senators. Dick Cheney. White, then. Oh my God, yes. Yes. The vice president, as far as, fuck's sake.

You started with Nixon, man. You started with Nixon. I was then I was going into ones that were more famous vice presidents, like Al Gore, famous for being a vice president. Who the hell was Nixon of the vice president? I don't even know he was the vice president of anybody. Um, yes, he was Eisenhower's vice president. And did you know that Nixon's daughter married Eisenhower's son or opposite?

Oh, that's cute. Like you got married in the White House. I think it's kind of sweet. Um, okay, I wrote, okay, you're right. We're talking about vice presidents, but I'm going to strike that from the record because it's for a long day. I've been driving all day. Um, no, this is not. No one's fault. Um, so anyway, and you also, correct, they're talking about white men because there have been 49 vice presidents, 48 white men, one was a woman and one was a person of color, who we know is our current vice president.

That's just for the record. So I got here in a couple ways. My father-in-law sent me an article about one of them that I'm going to talk about that's kind of interesting. Also, our latest former vice president suspended his campaign. So he was in the news recently. And I was also reading this book to The Kids, which is the day in the life of Marlon Bund Which is about, yes, it is about Marlon Bundo, who is Mike Pence's bunny, but it is written by John Oliver. And in this book, Marlon Bundo meets a boy bunny that he wants to marry. And a familiar-looking stink bug says, no, they can't get married. That is very good, Mike Pence.

Anyway, it's a lovely story about marriage. And this is the vice president's house, if we're going to learn about. Because it's a special house. Naval Observatory. Exactly. So of the 49 vice presidents, I'm going to tell you about five of them. Aaron Burr, Millard Fillmore, William Rufus King, Henry Wallace, and Spiro T. Agnew. Ooh, Agnew is a fun one.

And I don't really know much about them, so I'm going to need you to help me with that because I have some stuff, but I'm going to need a little bit more. So here's some other interesting things about vice presidents. The word vice in this context is Latin for in place of. So vice president is the person who can be in place to the president. Originally, the vice president was a runner up to the president in voting, which is terrible. And of course, it didn't work. Wait, in the general election? Yeah.

I mean, not like, or trying to people voting in like 1776 or whatever. But in the original thing was the vice president was just the runner up, which is how John Adams got to be the vice president. I kind of like that. But they're never going to do anything because they're not going to get along. That's true. But they're mostly historically, you were like, fuck that guy. Well, yeah, no, I get that. What I'm saying is like I like it in the sense that it like takes away the party,

the power of the parties in a pretty big way, which is always a good thing. Yeah, totally. So the 12th amendment that was ratified on June 15th, 1804, revised the procedures of how the president and vice president are elected and added that they're elected together. So it didn't last long that they were separate, but now they're like on the same ticket after 1804. The vice president is the tie-breaking role. So in the case of a deadlock in the Senate, they can vote. John Adams' title when he first became vice president was His Excellency, the Vice President of the United States.

But no one else said that ever again. They just said vice president because that was a little much. stupid the vice president takes an oath of office just like the president does they have some perks the vice president's residency as you said is the Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C.

Have you been there? I've never been there. I don't even know where it is. I'm just to me as close to the White House. I'm really proud of you. I feel like you knew a lot about it. It's located on the grounds of the United States Naval Observatory.

It's a 33-room Queen Anne-style home and it's been the official residence of the vice president since the 1970s. Before that, they could live wherever they wanted, but now they live in this house. Which, like, I'm sure they love. I'm sure they love. Kamala Harris didn't move into it until a couple months into her term because she had it renovated. I would totally get that. Definitely because there was a buddy living there, which is probably gross.

Wait, what? Well, we know Marlon Bundo lived there, and Kamala Harris lived there. Yes, of course, of course. How did you get a few negated? Yeah, exactly. So just like the president, the vice president has two terms in office. This is part of the 22nd Amendment, which they was passed after FDR died, where you really can't, really have to only do it two times. The first vice presidential debate occurred in 1976 between Walter Mondale and Bob Dole.

And then in the event of the president's death or an ability to perform, the vice president is the first in line, which you know. Yep. And then there is only temporary until the next election. 16 of the 49 vice presidents have gone on to become presidents. Those are John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Martin Van Buren, John Tyler, Miller, Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson, Chester, Arthur, Ted Roosevelt, Calvin Coolidge, Harry Truman, Lyndon, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, George, H.W. Bush and Joe Biden. Do you remember the in the eight, oh God, who knows, in the 90s or when George Bush lost to Clinton and S&L had that skit where Dana Carvey would play him and he would cry and be like, I'm a one-termer. Do you remember that? Oh, yeah. Dana Carvey was amazing as George Bush, read my lips, no new taxes. That's what did it in. The whole no new taxes thing did him in. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So eight of those 16 were due to the death of a president.

The first was John Tyler became the 10th President of the United States upon the death of President William Henry Harrison. William Henry Harrison died because there was poop in the water, the White House. It was just a bad time to be alive for water. But no one really knew what to do. So at first it was, they just were like, okay, then John Tyler can like, you know, kind of help for now. but now they changed the constitution and now there's a 25th amendment that says in case of the removal of the president from office or of his death, resignation or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the said office, the same shall devolve on the vice president. So now it's official. But John Tyler was the first.

That was in 1841, Miller, Philmore, Andrew Johnson, Chester Arthur. Andrew Johnson, I feel like I never, it would be hard for me to guess the name of the person who became president after Lincoln died. It's Andrew Johnson, but, like, I would never remember that. He's on the, he's on the, what's he on the, what's he's on the, he's on the, what, he's on a bill. No, that's Andrew Jackson. Oh, that's how he gets you. That's how they get you. Yeah.

Teddy Roosevelt, as we know, Calvin Coolidge, Harry Truman, and Lyndon B. Johnson, all became president after their president died. There's been some times when there was no vice president. So like when Gerald Ford became president, there was no vice president. there was no vice president for a while they didn't just like bump someone else up so there's been the cases where there aren't any jail Gerald Ford is like the most interesting ascension to president in the history of this country I know I know it's a whole thing we could talk about it at a different time well we're gonna I'm sure we're gonna talk about because Spiro you've mentioned Speer Agnew like if Spiro Agnew didn't go through what he went through and then Nixon didn't go through what he went

there would be no Gerald Ford like it was just criminality that caused to become president become president yeah um and i'm gonna say this later when i talk about agnew but i just think of futurama where agnews like that body i know i know it's the head and then there's one there's oh my god there's one where like all the presidential heads are in like a storage closet i mean they're talking about voting and gerald ford's head is like i don't really think voting is that big of a deal like oh shut up because i know what your president oh my god it's so funny so um okay so let's do some fun facts about these five vice presidents I just kind of pulled out of the list of vice presidents.

So first there's Aaron Burr, who he was the third vice president of the United States. And I've said this before, but I had a fucking terrible U.S. history teacher. And like, I didn't know any of this until Hamilton came out. Like, I just like didn't know. And I'm like, how can you make this part of U.S. history boring, you piece of shit? So also I was doing some like AI about the, um, the, these guys for, you. you know, for our social media, and I couldn't get AI to give me Aaron Burr without giving me Leslie Odom Jr. like gave me the actor who played him. Like it wouldn't give me like an old white

man. It was giving me this like handsome young black man. So I was like, okay, I'm going to have to do this a different way with AI. Did you see Hamilton? Yes, what my answer is. I don't know. I feel like sometimes you're like, oh, maybe you're doing someone to want to do something cultural for a minute. I don't know. That I never did anybody that. So here's First off, it's a play. Second off, I have to see it. So, like, those two things do not drive my lifestyle. And so, no, I've not seen it. I think you'd really like it. That doesn't make sense. But anyway, so Aaron Burr was born February 6, 1756 in Newark, New Jersey.

He came from a very religious family. He studied law at Princeton. His family was like ministers, et cetera. He fought in the Revolutionary War. He distinguished himself in the Battle of Quebec on December 31, 1775. He attempted to recover a general's corpse that gave him, got him to look accommodations. he was in a battle in Manhattan in 1776 and he should have been commended Washington was the general he was under but Washington didn't like comment in or talk about him and that he was really upset about it he was always like a little bit hurt by it he's always like kind of on the fringe of being like a part of the founding father group he ended up leaving the army in 1779 due to illness he married a woman named theidoja Bartow Brevo Theodosia is such a beautiful name, and it's confusing and, like, long.

And I think that you should put that on your list for things to name for your childs. It sounds a good drug. Theodosia, it's pretty. There's a beautiful song in Hamilton about it because Deadoja was married and she was older when they met. And he was still very, very, very, very in love with her. Her husband died and then they got married. They had one daughter, Theadoja, Burr Alston. So the daughters, he was also Theodosia.

Also, incidentally, that daughter, during the war of 1812, her husband, was a governor of South Carolina and he sent her north to New York for safety. She went on a schooner called The Patriot and it was lost at seeing she was never heard from again. So that was sad. Yeah. And so now he's around politics. John Adams doesn't love him. Not a lot of people are like super impressed by him. Washington wrote, by all I've known and heard, Colonel Burr is a brave and able officer, but the question is whether he has not equal talents at intrigue. Like, in Hamilton, they say, if you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything.

Like, no one can really figure him out. He is into New York politics, and he creates a bank called the Manhattan Company, which merged with Chase in 1955 and became Chase Manhattan Bank. So he started a bank that was around like hundreds of years. And he did it in the guise of making safe water for the city. So we did this weird thing in downtown Manhattan, where he dug a well. And then as he was making his company for the safe water, because water was really unsafe for most of human history, he added, oh, I also get to invest some money. So it became a bank.

So we kind of backed his way into being a bank, and people thought that was, like, kind of tricky. That's a little shady. Yeah, exactly, shady. And then I remembered he dug this well. He literally dug a well in downtown Manhattan. And I remember also in this book, this popular crime book by Bill James. that we've talked about has a bunch of stuff

on Lizzie Borden I read it with that. There's also a murder that happened in New York in 1800. A young woman named Elma Sands had been missing

for 10 days. She was supposed to be married to a man named Levi Weeks and he was like, I just don't know where she is. Like no one could find her. She had gone to go see him

and then never, never returned. And they ended up finding her at the bottom of Aaron Burr as well. Oh, wow. creepy. So just like a, it's nothing to do with Aaron Burr,

but it's just like a creepy. thing that happened with his with his well um so now the big thing um at 1800 aaron burr runs for president on the same ticket as thomas jefferson um but not together so that it's like they're both the same party but they're running kind of like four president at the same time but it's before that rule so they weren't running together they were like both running and they're somehow tied but then jefferson ends up winning he just does not like him um he wasn't erin burrow was not asked to be vice president again he did run for governor of new york um it sounds like he was like really idealist but just like not trustworthy people who just like didn't they didn't trust him um and then

of course there is the thing with hamilton so hamilton was in the middle of a scandal because of an affair which is like the whole second act of hamilton the musical and they go back and forth in the papers like talking shit about each other and burr challenges hamilton to a duel which is legal in New York City and less legal in New Jersey, so they do it in New Jersey. It's like, it's illegal, but not like super legal. They both shot once, and Hamilton died in New York, like the next day from being shot in the gut, like through a spleen out of his spine. It could have been that the sun was in Hamilton's eyes. They had different guns. Someone said that Hamilton actually had like a trick gun. Maybe Hamilton just shot his gun into the air. Who knows, but either way.

Aaron Burr runs away to South Carolina and makes it back to finish his job as vice president. So he was still vice president when he killed Alex Lever Hamilton. That's incredible. Isn't that incredible? I put it's very Dick Cheney of him to shoot someone while being vice president. But that guy didn't die. Do you remember when that, no, no, he didn't. No, not only did he not die.

He went on national television apologizing to Dick Cheney for getting in the way of his bullet. It was incredible. he had just got released from the hospital and there were a hundred like peasants and so there was like a buckshot and so he just got released from the hospital half he just had pelt marks all over his skin from where the bullet's penetrated

he's like I want to apologize to the president this is not his fault I brought undue attention to him it was incredible that's amazing I love that I love that so Aaron Berg didn't stop being vice president until March 2nd, 1805

And he had a farewell speech that was like, people were actually like, you know, make some good points. He just kind of sucks as a person. You know, he just like wasn't going to work. After this, he ended up going west. He tries to help Mexico overthrow Spain, which is technically treason because we had a, like, a deal with Spain for the Mexican territory. He wasn't supposed to be to mess up in there. But he really wanted to start a new country in the West and become emperor of that country. Like, he's out of his mind.

That's what he thought was going to happen. Yeah. And then he gets exiled to Europe, which is funny because he wasn't European. Like, for the first time he's in Europe, he's, he gets, is when he gets sent there because America's like, we don't want you anymore, even though you were like here from the beginning. And he goes to the UK. And if you remember, but he spent time with Mary Shelley when she was a girl and her family. So he spent time in, like, her dad's bookshop, like, in that time when he was in, in London. And then he ended up, um, the.

the england kicks him out and he tries to go to france but napoleon says no they won't take him in france either i am fully on i'm fully on board with this guy not being considered a founding father like he sounds like he's not the best person in the world no he's kind of i don't i mean i don't know i don't know i want to read i should read more and do a whole a long episode on him because there's a lot and i don't it's he does with some weird shit he ends up coming back to the u.s changing his name he marries a wealthy widow named eliza jose you mel and they end up getting divorced and in their divorce she has alexander hamilton junior as her lawyer which is hilarious that's a flux that is a flux like that is unbelievable and just

amazing so i'm sure they just like obliterated him um he died in staten island in a boarding house and he died the same day at the age of 80 that his divorce was complete and he's buried in Princeton, New Jersey, but he died like in a lot of debt and kind of like, well, he had changed his name. He was kind of like weirdly in hiding back in, back in the United States in the 1830s. He lived to 80 years old in the 1800. That's incredible. I know. Because I just looked up Dick Cheney's 82. Dick Cheney is like a 304. There is no way that man is 82. He's never going to die.

like he's survived how many he has like a fake heart like he's had multiple heart attacks he doesn't have a pulse right because of like the way his heart his like heart's heart is isn't it yeah yeah it's like constantly flowing blood through him no he is he is somehow a supreme being i will be shocked for that manned taylor first okay this is these are the years he had heart attacks 1978 1984 1988 2000 2000 2000 And then a mild, moderate contractile dysfunction of his black ventricle. I think just really this incredible. Yeah, he's gonna live all of us.

Yeah, no. It makes sense to me that he's only that old because I feel like he's been old forever. Yeah. Right? Anyway. That one, his first heart attack, he was 37 years old. So he started having heart attack. What?

He smoked three packs of cigarettes a day for 10. a day for 20 years three pecks Taylor that's a lot many cigarettes that is no that is constantly smoking cigarettes like you never stop like I'm surprised to eat food and brush the seat because he would just smoke cigarettes um sorry why derailed no I feel like you could look up a picture of like thudding fathers and like in the background would be like dick Cheney and like a cloak you know like that I wouldn't have be surprised if he was like always round every rendition of dick cheney as like a villain is always hilarious in pretty yeah yeah um okay well that's the first one so that's aaron burr our third vice president

um so let's also talk about millard fillmore this is one i wanted to bring up for another weirdly topical thing that kind of isn't that interesting but um either way maybe maybe maybe maybe don't lead with that on our podcast we're trying to entertain people's like this is not interesting but let's go ahead. Bernard Fillmore kind of looks like Alec Baldwin. He was our

he was our 12th vice president and our 13th president. He had other political offices before he was VP, but he was born on January 7th,

1800 in upstate New York in a log cabin. He was very smart. He became a lawyer and a politician. He married a young woman named Abigail in 1826 and they had two children.

He was part of, like, I know you were saying like getting different parties, involved is a good thing and who knows that will actually happen but he was part of the wig party and the no nothing party remember those guys no called the no nothings um so he's no nothing for a while he does look like alley baldwin doesn't he a lot you crush that taylor yeah it's weird we'll share pictures um so he is um This is pre-Civil War America.

His stance on slavery is, it is bad, but the government can't end it, which is, you know, bullshit. And he was put on the ballot with Zachary Taylor, who was a war hero. He won, he got on the ballot being, like, the fourth person that people voted for. So when they're doing these, like, conventions and they're voting for someone to be a vice president, everybody does their first vote. And then if they can't figure it out, they'll do their second, they'll do the third or they do their fourth. You know, you know, they keep voting. And something that Miller and Fillmore did, that Abraham Lincoln did too, was like, be everybody's second or third choice. Because then, once they're like done and being riled up and their person will never be picked, everyone's going to take their second choice and it's going to be you.

You know? It's good. Smart. Good policy. So, yeah, that's what he did. He became vice president in 1849 and he hated it. It was boring. He doesn't have to influence that he thought he would have, which is always the case because it's really not a ton to do when you're vice president.

There was a lot of westward expansion, a lot of slavery in the South. It's more complicated in that, obviously, but it's like a very tumultuous time. On July 4th, 1850, President Zachary Tyler attended an event to lay the cornerstone of the Washington Monument. He went back to the White House, ate some cherries, drank some milk, got sick, and he died five days later, just from like old food, probably. Yeah. It's hot. You know, how D.C. is in July. Oh, yeah.

It's, like, so humid. but Zachary Taylor's last words were I am about to die I expect the summons very soon I have tried to discharge my duties faithfully I regret nothing but I am sorry that I am about to leave my friends which is lovely yeah and so now Miller Fillmore as president he is there's the fugitive slave act in the north where people in the north can you know essentially like hunt and slave people who have tried to escape and bring them back that's like a big thing that's happening a lot of like contention. This is, you know, a couple years before the Civil War. There's stuff happening in Mexico and California that, you know, there are, there's annexing, there's all those things. Napoleon is trying to steal Hawaii on that on one side. So there's all the stuff going on. And this is the thing that I think is interesting in that I think I've said before, but he really was excited about like Miller Filmer really wanted, was excited about like the rest of the world and like thinking about expansion in like a big way. So he sent the first

expedition to Japan in 1853. They landed there four months after the end of Phil Moore's term. But they were the first like, Japan had been like not colonized for a very, very long time. And this was like

the first really like a group of white people who had gone there. And the reason that I wanted to bring it up is because that was the one where the captain's name was Matthew Perry. And I always think that's funny. And then also Matthew Perry just passed away.

So I think it's one of the two Matthew Perrys are the captain who went to Japan for the first time and then our friend Matthew Jerry. Yeah. There's also an Austro-Hungarian war happening. He doesn't want to do it again. Miller-Filmore doesn't run the president again. Franklin Pierce becomes the president. People mark Miller-Filmore as one of the worst presidents. It sounds like he just like, it was more than he wanted.

Like at first he was like, this is cool, a lot of power. but then he was like this is we are right before the civil war like i do not want to do with this you know yeah kind of reminds you at truman um yeah yeah but truman had a lot i think truman had even more obviously responsibility in like a weird way like nobody wanted and as we'll see if trimmons was a third of fDR's vice presidents he had a different one every time yeah so that's awesome um okay so that's That's Miller Fillmore. Another one will write directly after him was under Franklin Pierce. The vice president was William Rufus King. He was the 13th vice president of the United

States. He was only vice president for about six weeks until he died. He was the third vice president to die in office. So he wasn't vice president for very long. But William R. King was born on April 7th, 1786 in North Carolina. He was southern. So southern during this is again right before the Civil War. He was elected to Congress at 24. You have to be 25 to be a member of Congress, but he was elected and then his birthday happened and then he started. So it was okay, which is cool for a young person. He loved Andrew Jackson, which we know is gross because Andrew Jackson from the $20 bill is like trail of tears Andrew Jackson, like very not good. Yeah. So I remember with Andrew Jackson. So the whole thing was Lincoln wouldn't have been able to get elected if he didn't

have Jackson or something like he needed someone that was like more on the racist side to like appease people. Wait, are you talking about Andrew Johnson again? Damn it! We're not talking about Andrew Johnson, talking about Andrew Jackson. Sorry, move on. He was president. Yeah, okay. So when Zachary Taylor died and Miller Fillmore became president, William Rufus King became the president of the Senate, He was pro-slavery. He argued that the Constitution was pro-slavery.

He was full on a southern guy as far as civil war goes. He became ambassador to France. We set some time in Europe. He may or may not have tried to marry a princess of Prussia, but that didn't work out. But interestingly, this is an interesting thing about King. He never married, but he did live with James Buchanan for 13 years. And what we think, what we know is that they were like, together together james buchanan was president he was never married he was engaged to someone when he was

younger she died and he never pursued a woman again do you want to know that's so weird that you said that so i looked up the list by u.s news of like the worst presidents in american history guess who number one is who into jackson james bicanon they arranged as the number one worse they said he refused to challenge either the spread of slavery or the growing block of states that became the Confederacy, they argue that he was a big reason why the, why we fell into civil war to begin with. Makes sense. Yeah. Which is, but, you know, while he was doing that, he was living with King. And Joseph Buchanan referred to their relationship as a communion. Andrew Jackson, who, again, isn't great, but he mockingly called them Miss Nancy and Anne.

fancy because they like dressed really fancy. And that was sort of a 19th century euphemism for an effeminate man. He was calling him. Another person. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. Around how William King was referred to as James Buchanan's better half. And Buchanan started to adopt King's mannerisms and romanticized southern culture. So, like, become very, like, more, like, in tune with the South, which also, like, you were saying, like, really help the Civil War get, everyone get, like, more riled up. Buchanan later wrote a letter saying that, like,

he had tried to woo several gentlemen to no avail. So just to other people that imply that he was, you know, trying to find a partner in a man. Most of the letters between him and King were destroyed upon their wishes. So we saw that, again, with Eleanor Roosevelt and Lorraine Hickok, like, they want their letters destroyed. And the problem with this is, like, who knows that they were together? It sounds like they were. They lived together, you know, for a very long time.

We talked about how people, like, you know, had different intense friendships and how people would say, like, oh, Lincoln, you know, when Lincoln is like, oh, I slept in a bed with this man. But we talked about this before how, like, you just did that when you were, like, on the circuit, like, being a circuit lawyer, you would, like, share out of allovers of people. And it wasn't, like, two nice full bets, you know. and who knows if James Buchanan would if that like term if he could if the term could even be there but James Buchanan is also people call him the first gay president we don't know if he like would have called himself that we don't know about this relationship we have assumptions the other thing is like you you don't want to take that away from like an actual person who might be the first gay president in the future you know

who's like out about it, but you can say this is the first out person. They can say that with a lot of things like, oh, this is the first gay person doing this. And you're like, that's probably just a first out gay person doing that. Sure. Yeah, yeah. So who knows? But so they lived together later after King's death Buchanan would become president. So they weren't together when he was president.

But William King was nominated for vice president in the 1852 Democratic National Convention. He was in Cuba when he became vice president. He's the only vice president to be sworn in outside of the United States because he was, sick. And he had the tuberculosis. And then he went back to back north and died two days later at the age of 67. So he was only vice president for about six weeks. What? Do you know the tuberculosis? Do you know that tuberculosis is the number one killer of it's the number one infectious disease killer of anybody in the world. One point eight million million people die every year from tuberculosis i thought it was malaria no unless the podcast i've

listened to all my drive home lied to me um cool that's terrible there you go the more you know also do you know who the number of two worst president in american history is ranked is who they go they go the only living president to be impeached twice no no no sorry my list of worst people the only president in history to be impeached twice is what it said good job um and james a candidate's ahead of him that's the whole thing um so now let's skip ahead a bunch um talk about henry wallace henry edgar wallace born october 7th, 1888, was the 33rd Vice President in the United States. He was FDR's second vice president. So this is one that I father-in-law has happened because there's a new book about him out there that I haven't read yet, but I think it would be interesting to go dig a little bit deeper.

But Henry Wallace is from a very, very American family. He's from Iowa. They're from rich farming, like farming royalty in the Midwest. His dad was Secretary of Agriculture in the 1920s. He learned a lot about botany from George Washington. Carver, do you remember who that is? Yeah. He invented a bunch of stuff. I mean, yeah, peanut butter. Peanut butter. Right, that's like the big one.

That's a big one. George Washington Carver was black and he was not allowed to go to some of these like big universities. So he went to Henry Wallace's house and they did a lot of like experiments together and learned a lot. And he was like obsessed with corn. He like campaigned for like getting essentially like a genetically modified perfect, beautiful corn because he was obsessed with corn.

he campaigned for a lot of farming bills, like government grain. I don't know enough about this, but this is like during the post-depression, during the New Deal, you know how they like control the price of grain by like destroying some grain, like not letting some people grow what they need to grow. There's like, it's complicated and I don't know the exact details, but there's something where like people are starving, but, you know, you have to keep the price of grain at a certain level or farmers will starve. So you have to like not have that much grain.

so you destroy it but then you're like people were starving but like if they didn't do that then like the assumption is that the farmers would go out of business so it was a whole complicated thing but it was a big part of that um he was doing all of this he was a republican and then 1936 he became a democrat because he liked the new deal and he liked fDR he became the secretary of agriculture under fDR and um when er when fDR was up for his third term he wanted Wallace. A lot of people didn't want him because of his like Midwest more conservative upbringing. So FDR sent Eleanor to make a speech and to the nominating committee. And this is when she said, this is no ordinary time. You cannot treat this as you would an ordinary

nomination in an ordinary time. And the speech had quote, a magical calming effect. And everyone was like, great. And that's the reason that she was the really reason that they put him on the ballot. He was definitely like Southern in a way, like Iowa, I don't know, was it southern, but it's like he was like pro segregation, you know, things like that that were happening still during that time. He ended up going, kind of traveling around different parts of North America. He went to Mexico, brought some new tools that he had helped invent, like, as like a

rich farm guy. And he ended up hiring a man named Norman Borlaug to run this. thing in Mexico where they like made it easier for Mexican farmers to harvest and um that man ended up winning a Nobel Peace Prize and credited with saving two billion people from starvation. So the stuff that he did with like agriculture is a big deal. He really modernized it because it was stuff like, you know, an American farmer could do in an hour. It would take a Mexican farmer like 12 hours by hand, you know, and he brought them that technology, which is cool. He was on the, he was a very active vice president. He was on the board of economic warfare. The supply

priorities and allocations board, which was like deciding what we sent over to Europe. He was in the top policy group that became the Manhattan Project, and he became a liaison between the Manhattan Project and FGR, tell them like what they were doing. In May, on May 8th, 1942, he delivered his best remembered speech, and he said, World War II was a war between the free world and a slave world. Peace must mean a better standard of living for the common man, not merely in the United States in England, but also in India, Russia, China, and Latin America. Not merely in the United Nations, but also in Germany and Italy and Japan. So really being like, you know, we should, everyone should be equal.

We should all have rights. And that ended up, of course, turning him into someone who liked communism. Do you say that? How we got there? So he spent a lot of time in the Soviet Union. And he wasn't picked for a third term. And we know that Harry Truman was. Um, and he continued to deliver speeches after he got home. Um, one thing he said that I think is pretty on point is there was after the Detroit race riots in 1943. He said, quote, we cannot fight to crush Nazi brutality abroad and condone race, race riots at home. So I think that's fair. You know, like you have to help us out. Um, he was religious and a little bit pro-Soviet. He swore Truman in as his successor.

And he became Secretary of Commerce. Truman said that the two most important people on his team were Henry Wallace and Eleanor Roosevelt. They, like, helped him get through everything he had to get through. But the other thing that he started to do was to get more and more and more and more left, like super left. After the war, he wanted to just leave the Soviet Union alone and let them do their own thing. He ran for president in 1948 under the Progressive Party, which was a new party. The Communist Party of America endorsed him. and like all third parties

he got 2.8% of the vote and Truman became president. In the 1950s, Leslie Groves, you'll remember from the Manhattan Project, he said that he would not tell things to Henry Wallace because he didn't trust him. He thought he was going to tell it to the Soviet Union

because he liked it so much. And then here's the other weird thing is he was raised a Calvinist and a Presbyterian, but he dabbled in mysticism. So he spoke with astrologers and mediums, and he wrote letters, to the Theosophist Nicholas Rorike, who was from Russia, and he would, it was kind of like, he was like a little bit resputiny, you know, like a weird, like Russian mystic that would talk about like past lives and all these things. And he really like was super into it. And he like told people that he was super into it. He did send this guy on a bunch of like missions all over Asia to find, to find different plants. They could like harvest. But a lot of it ended up in fraud. and a lot of it turned into just like these trips to learn more about communism.

And he, um, so he did that and people sort of like back to away from him because of those like really, really left leading feelings and like the weird mysticism thing thing. He was like, yeah, he's like, I'm a little bit mystic, but like, aren't we all God? This is great, which is like, cool. People just weren't ready for that.

He really went the Charlie Manson route. Yeah, people weren't ready. And, um, you know, when I was reading about him there's some questions like you know would there have been atomic bombs would there have been a cold war um with with henry wallace or would in like another flip side like would communism have spread to more of the middle east to more of europe you know with him as well so there's like like it's you could speculate what would have happened if he had become president but it's a near miss in like any some other direction you know and henry wallis died of aLS in 1977 so he lived a long time as well and then finally let's talk about Spiro Agnew and I need you to help me finish it because I don't have the ending of it hopefully you know more than me or I only know him from Futurama you know as just the body that goes somehow he's just a body I don't know how he makes noise but he he Spiro Theodore Agnew was born November 9th 1918 in Baltimore he was the 39th vice president he was only the second to to resign and he was I think Calhoun resigned a while ago, but I don't remember why. His dad was a Greek immigrant during World War II. He went to Europe.

He was in the Battle of the Bulge. So he was definitely active during that time. He was a Democrat, but a lawyer told him that he'd have a better chance in politics as he was a Republican, so we switched parties. He was very big in Maryland politics. He was the governor of Maryland, the district attorney. He said some things that were like, kind of racist

towards black people towards he's used some derogatory terms towards other people. That wasn't great. He initially supported Nelson Rockefeller for president, but when he dropped out, he nominated Nixon of the RNC in

1968. There was a commercial that ran, and I wonder if I can find it on YouTube, but the commercial, it just would say, Agnew, her vice president, question mark and then it would just be like laughing for a long time and then coughing and then it said this would be funny if it weren't so serious a lot um but they won and he became vice president

he was the first vice president to have an office in the white house and like be there with the president and be more active um and he started to give these speeches and kind of doing weird things a bit behest of nixon so he would be very like um everything's fine you know or like you're talking about it about the people who didn't like them but like he was really being that person out in the media and he was one of the first people to be like

you can't trust the media because they're going to tell you this and this and this you know and actually like saying that out loud. So the thing that I didn't realize is that Agnew resigned before Nixon did and it was before

Watergate. He faced allegations of corruption when he was governor of Maryland. He accepted bribes. makebacks and legal payments and he got a plea agreement and ended up residing in 1973 um which i don't know i don't know i thought it was related no no it was it's a really you know about spiro well i know that he was mostly like a non and he was a non entity in terms of his role in the presidency except for the fact that he

basically did his best to conjure up all the worst instincts of nixon which had mostly do with paranoia or not getting fucked over by other people because nixon was just historically known as like, I'm not good enough. Nobody thinks I'm good enough, but I'm good enough. And like he had just have one of those mentalities. And you're kind of playing with that a little bit. Yeah. And then, and then yeah, like he he resigned way before anything

happened with Whitewater. Gerald Ford was Speaker of the House that time, which is now a role held by Mike Johnson, which is its own separate story. Third in line, now we know. Now we know. um and drill forth head being like votes aren't important yeah yeah you know what's funny though is i am because we're talking about presidential politics like i was just listened to do you remember

steve schmidt no okay he was um he was uh um mccain and sarah payland's um campaign well another campaign manager who's the fact of campaign manager who's a head consultant he was actually played by um woody harrelson and game change the hbo show a movie about um the campaign and he very famously did not vote in that election because of what he saw on the campaign trail and about how disqualified so palin was from being president um and now it's like a dep democrat he tries to get democrats selected the lincoln project anyways long as long as very short was i listened to a really fascinating podcast because he's like an old head political guy and he talked he was talking about DeSantis and he was like because like there's a picture of DeSantis after some

hurricane and he's in an area that is just bone-dried like the sun is on the ground and he's wearing these like knee-high white like what do you call him like booties or whatever yeah galoshes yeah and he and he has like the fupa where he's got like his his jeans rolled over his belly button and stuff and he was like that picture like he was like the thing that gets people elected a president the presidency is just looking presidential. If he were to actually get out of a primary, the Democrats were plastered that picture everywhere, and that is the least presidential-looking thing out there.

And I just thought it was really interesting because you brought up Spira Agnew. It's like, man, it's funny because even the name doesn't really disqualify you, like, Barack Obama, Spiro Agnew, no, but like, the image has to fit. And if the image doesn't fit, like, Mondale, like, or what I'm thinking of, Massachusetts governor?

Well, I'm thinking about Dukakis in that tank. Dukakis, exactly. Yeah, I just googled it. It's hilarious. And it's so funny that that ruined him. He looks like a little nerd in a tank. You can't do it. You can't look like a nerd.

Yeah. And what's funny is like, like, okay, so he's kind of a nerd because, you know, he's a Harvard guy and a Yale guy. He's one of these like, one of these ivory tower guys. He's also like a military vet, but it's like you look like a dweeb though. Like, get somebody on your campaign team, like, tell you how to dress. Like, I don't know who's telling you this stuff. A hundred percent. A hundred percent.

Yeah. And it only is, like, I mean, that's one of the first things you learn in, like, communication school is, like, you know, the first time that started happening is when you first saw the people who are running for president, like the Nixon Kennedy debate, of course Nixon's going to look terrible. He had the flu. He wouldn't put on makeup. And then Kennedy is like this, like, hot shot handsome dude with, like, makeup on and talking.

He looks amazing. So, I mean, before, even before then, like, for a huge part of it the actual person running for president didn't campaign at all yeah it was like it was shown as like a like not cool for them to actually be out there so it was just like them other people talking on their behalf which is not at all what we see right now you you were chosen by your party and by the people to be the president you were not expected to be out there campaigning it was seen as like unseemy to be out there campaigning on your own behalf yeah um i've never i've never am i it's just like in my years in politics i've never seen

so many obvious rookie first year intern level missteps in the desantis campaign like all of it just like from the it's just like it's like it was just it was how did you fuck everything up you know it's funny he was on a he was there's another podcast i listened to recently and the guy somebody was like basically telling him this is like you realize like you are fucking everything up right like literally everything from like how you announce when you announce how you present yourself the pictures of you the way you talk your interactions with people everything you fucked up his fundraising he's fucking up because he's fundraising for the general which means half the money in his bank out is not usable because he's double

up on donation it's just it's so incredibly killer like me and you could run a better campaign at the presidential level at any level in this yeah anyway sorry it doesn't none of you do with what you're saying but whatever no please i think well uh jukakis is still alive um yeah no i think these are um yeah i like to i mean there's somebody it's other vice presidents did like weird things it's like a weird job where like you're not supposed to do anything and then like maybe one day you have the most important job in the world and then maybe it's nothing you know yeah yeah that's that's crazy um to have that and then um yeah just some interesting ones like Aaron Burr is like wild that he just killed someone continued and then did all those weird stuff like there's so

many fun stories in there which is why I think it's there's so there's a lot of ways to I don't know talk about you as history to make it fun he's wearing high heels on a talk show that is like it's on a platform where they're capturing both parties entire body it's like who told you to do this nobody can tell how tall you are when you're sitting down i know we only know you're short and you're lying about your height because you want somebody help this guy please like do something or don't just let him let him crumble if it's not him

but that's the thing if it's not him it's going to be Trump like that is the thing that's most transparently obvious is that it is going to be Trump if somebody doesn't knock him off but it's not going to be only one who has a shot

is like maybe this guy but barely if he doesn't keep fucking it up but anyways Taylor that was fun I love doing politics yeah yeah good

I'm glad you have that was fun I like I had fun looking at this list and being like oh that guy and like you know what the hell did you know I know more of them now but like John Breckenridge what did he do I don't know John C Calhoun was one of the ones that was supposed to be like one of the worst and it's under Andrew Jackson who we don't like um but yeah I want to and I love I think maybe a deep dive into like Teddy Roosevelt something would be fun like he you know when he became president he fucking she loved being president so much and it's just fun that he got to be did they name Colorado after this guy oh my god they did wait after who Colorado was named in Brighton Ridge's honor oh but they changed the name

the Colorado town changed the spelling of its name when its name saint joined the Confederacy that's good Wow Wait who's Breckenridge Yeah So yeah

His name is spelled with an I Breckin Ridge And the city changed its name To Breck N Ridge Ah, I see Nice He was the vice president Under James Buchanan

Who And then after that was Lincoln And then Hannibal Hamlin I mean, I don't know anything about Handelman. It sounds like he was, because Andrew Johnson, I don't know. So anyway, this is a lot to learn. Next year is going to be so fun. Oh, my God.

I cannot, cannot wait. Presidential years are so fun. Oh, my God. My kids are excited. They're like, when is it, when is election? I'm like, it's in a year. And they're like, okay, I don't know. It's fun.

What do you think is going to happen? We're coming in from different perspectives. What do you think is going to shake out? I'm hoping that. RFK splits some of the Republican vote. I don't believe in third parties. I think that like I get that people are sick of two parties, but like we there's no third party fucking governors, you know, like you can't do anything. A third party president is going to do absolutely fucking nothing. So there's no point in having one until they get a following in other ways. So I think it's going to be,

I don't know, hopefully I don't know, it's going to be two old guys after each other. And if Trump wins were even more fucked, especially women and gay people, and it's going to be terrible. They're going to try to get rid of a lot of things and make it more religious, which is so stupid, because Trump is like, if Trump believes in God, I'll eat my hat. Trump does not. It's not a religious pious man. Obviously does not. You know, so it'll be terrifying. It'll be a lot of things.

I have had thoughts that, like, Trump could have probably been one of the best presidents if he wasn't such a fucking dip shit. because he could drag the Republican Party wherever he wanted. When he wanted to do criminal reform, that's what the Democrats have always wanted. He was like, okay, criminal reform, right, we'll do that. And like all these Republicans, like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we have to go along with this. And like, they did. Like, Trump could have came out and said universal health care for all. And he could have done it because he would have dragged the party with him.

It's just like, dude, you had so much power. Like, you could have done so many great things. I totally agree with that. You're like arguing about your crowd size. like what are you doing when he raised the smoking age 21 and like no one talks about it seriously i didn't know that happened yeah it's not weird it just like happened and then like he was like yeah people should smoke and you're like yeah so he raised the age and you're like okay that that's fine we can live with that that's what i'm saying it was just so weird you literally

do anything you could give amnesty to whoever you want it he could fucking all of it fucking narcissist you just you do it yeah oh no it's bad and i just i don't i don't like any i think it worries me um for basic human rights shit yeah i i think from where i'm sitting i think that the most likely outcome is he ends up winning and that's the most likely thing that's going to happen yeah you don't think he's going to jail or do you think him going to jail or conclude him from winning the presidency how can that possibly be because i'm amazed over and over again by this but like literally how could that possibly be something that could happen because it's not even about the party or the country it is about him as a person like this is cult of personality shit like

this is and he's the worst of the people and and to that they would say well that's what the establishment wants you to think he's trying to fight against the establishment i know because i was I spent a lot of time reading about, like, Iran's revolution and reading about the I atollah. I was like, this sounds just like here in Trump. This literally sounds the exact same. Well, everybody vote. Vote on your local elections. Those are also very important.

Yes. Everybody vote. If you want, if you believe in third parties, then fucking run for city council on a third party back ticket. You know, like do something else besides like every four years splitting a vote. yeah i mean that's the nice thing like the good thing about rfk is who knows how it'll split it'll split as many republicans as a world democrats like it would actually like the most even balanced split party thing i think out there because so many people are like because he is a kennedy so he's part of democratic establishment but he's also like an anti-vaxxer so he's

part of the crazy wing and like i don't know i love that all of his siblings are like he does not represent her father they like wrote to the paper and they were like we do not support him. We do not endorse him. He just, he's against everything our father has stood for. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see what happens. Taylor, we got to cut this off because we're going to run into a two hour long podcast if we don't. Okay, I'm going to get wine now. I'll be back. Wait, wait, wait, no, no, follow us. Oh, my God. Is this going to be in it? Follow us the YouTube to Philpod, all the social medias. Doomdeafelpod at gmail.com, please. Thank you. And I also feel like someone said something to me on social media that

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