Doomed to Fail - Ep 64: Lonely Hearts Club - The terrible relationship of Raymond Fernandez and Martha Beck

Episode Date: November 8, 2023

Join us as we step into the twisted world of Raymond Fernandez & Martha Beck in our latest podcast episode! These 'Lonely Hearts' found each other in good times and bad, forging a connection that led to both love and murder. This is a story best listened to in black and white to immerse yourself in the authentic 1940s setting.Lonely hearts pictures via AIOthers via the news Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail]  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. We cannot be a podcast that is known for judging people's white drinking behaviors, Taylor. No, well, I think typically I think white wine, you drink it colder. And I don't really like when there's like a cold red wine, like when someone gives it to you cold. I'm like, I don't know. I don't love this. I like want it to be warm, but like, who knows? Well, we can, we can, we can have this out with Sorsha in like three weeks or four weeks in person. Oh, cool. We will do that.

Uh, Sue, we are required. Wait, do I have to do the intro? Wait, why don't you do the intro this time? You never do the intro. Okay. Okay. Well, you did the intro. Hello, everyone. Welcome to Doom to Fail. The podcast where we cover historical or true crime, relationship or event that was doomed to fail. My name is Taylor. I'm joined here by my friend Fars. Fars, how are you doing today? That was acceptable. You crushed it. You absolutely crushed it. I'm almost out of the job at this point. I'm doing great. I'm wondering who is the celebrity we hate this week besides just typically. Who else is there? who's done something that is deplorable wait are you is this part are you baiting me for your topic no it's a new segment i'm starting called the celebrity of the week

oh okay um i don't know who do we hate this week wait i don't have one prepped we talked about just in super lake because i finished brittney spears's bio talked about jessica beale because of the anti-vax thing I don't know. Nobody else has drawn my iron this week. All right. Well, I'm sure something will happen. We'll sit on that for a little bit. I also, Taylor, want you to know that I came up with another multi-part series idea this week.

And I was going to do it for this episode. And then I realized that it is going to take fucking, like, months of research because it is like very much. Well, I'm excited. That's very fun. More stuff coming up. So we can go. ahead and dive into an actual topic that is substantive to the point of this podcast, which is two people who came together and did awful things and that is true crime, which I've deviated

from, it's engineering disasters, you know, submarine disasters for some fucking reason, all of it. But this time, I'm going back to our Brennan Butter. Okay, I'm ready. Are you excited? I'm super excited. I don't know where my notes are. Oh, God. Just wing it. I don't know why I put all these I just did some oh there we go okay okay so Taylor I'll start with like the premise about how I started here so you know first off it's not called the wait wait hold on hold on I just had a stroke hold on I do have address everyone if you're worried I do the ability to call 911 if far as like If I lose Fars in the middle of this.

No, no, we're back, we're back. So, everybody, is this just me or did, is the name of that serial killer they caught the architect? Is it the Giglo Beach killer? The Gilgo Beach killer? Okay, Gilgo. Okay. So I was listening to it, but you're not seeing it. I see, I see, I see, I see.

Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, so I was listening to the podcast about this guy earlier. and they kept saying the Gilgo Beach killer and I was like, this guy is not trustworthy he can't even fucking say the name of the beach right? And then I Googled it was like, oh, it is, I've been calling the Giglo Beach.

It's Giggo Beach. So I'm wrong. Yeah. But anyways, I got my idea for this off of that podcast I listened to, not about that, but about the whole concept of a lonely hearts killer. Have you heard of these guys? I can imagine.

tell me more yes so it is essentially guys like this max sherman guy the gilgo beach killer who lures people in because of like sexuality or whatever there's like multiple versions of this the most perverse version is like where you lure somebody in because you're like really trying to like tell them you love them want to be with them but really you're just out to kill them or steal their shit and it was a really good podcast actually but it brought up uh this guy named Philip Markov, who was a Craigslist ad killer. Remember that guy? I think so. But he caught people who did, like, massages. Yeah. Yeah, so he, so he would kill, like, prostitutes. He would find prostitutes in the

one ads of Craigslist and then lure them to, like, a hotel somewhere. He actually only killed one person. He was, he was an idiot. So his guy was like, okay, this says, don't do my story. I just gone on a ramp. This guy, this guy, Philip Markov. He's the Craigslist killer. And over the span of like five days, he lured three women to his hotel room, like prostitutes, and then robbed two of them and killed one of them. And he was caught two days later.

Like he was fucking stupid. Totally. I think we say sex workers. Fair, we'll call him sex workers. But he, um, but he was like, he see the one who was engaged to the one that's like, yeah, this guy was so pathetic. So like, I looked him up and I was like,

God, you look exactly the guy I would imagine to this. He, he was engaged. he was about to start medical school and then he just started like for the one week his fiance was out of town it was just like it was just such a cliche of like i have it all made i'm just like a rich kid and i he's going to take care of everything he's had this old he started committing trying to commit suicide constantly the day his fiancee broke up with him in jail which was like he's indicted on a murder charge he like tried to commit suicide that day and then he tried to commit suicide again on the first day that their wedding was supposed to be and then a year passes and

And he actually commits suicide on the one-year anniversary of when they should have gotten married. So, like, it's 24 years old. Like, you're just like, I don't know. It's just gross. But anyways. Yeah. Yeah. So that put me on to the concept of the Lonely Hearts Killer.

And so I went back a little bit in time into the 1940s-ish to find a couple that were basically this concept of the Lonely Hearts Tiller. their name was Raymond Fernandez and Martha Beck. So I'm going to start by discussing them as individuals and then how they came together and what they ended up doing. Cool? Yeah, cool. So the main antagonist. So you're going to get upset with me over this.

But I'm just going to deal with it. So let's start with that. So Martha Beck, she was born in 1920 in Florida. her childhood basically sounds like a tuba player just followed her around everywhere she apparently had some medical condition that caused her to gain a ton of weight and so she was basically an outcast i looked at pictures of her she's objectively huge by even today's standard so back then she must have been huge huge because i looked at the average weight classes not the weight classes i looked at the average weights of people back then and men and women both weigh 17 to

20 pounds heavier today than they did back then and this woman was fucking sorry this one was big she's big for today standards so she was fucking huge by 1940 standards what's her name martha beck she looks like rike didka uh and so sorry i'm on one right now so anyways we all it's fascinating though we all weigh Like, so the average woman weighed 130 back then, and they weighed 166 now. The average of man weighed 160 back then, and now we weigh 195. Yeah, I mean, I think we know why that happened. I'm a bit of an outlier in this.

Just so we're clear. So I'm not fat-shaming anybody. I'm just saying that, okay, so long and short is like, because of her weight, she couldn't work. she couldn't attract men she was sexually abused as a kid like her mom beat like this woman sounds like she had a horrible horrible life

like she's a horrible person so let's not feel bad for because I'm going to tell you what she ended up doing with people but also she sounds like somebody that just should have been just bashed against the rock as an infant because she was going to have a shitty life anyways well it sounds like she

had a shitty life and maybe didn't have a chance and there also have plenty of people out there that find that attractive so i just want to say that out loud this is not a civil rights show i don't know zero people would find her attractive it means that you don't find her attractive it doesn't mean that you can't find someone anyone can find someone to like them that's all continue that's true i found people like me and i'm grossly overweight so So, you know, why are you looking at you like that? You can't see Taylor's face.

She's making a, she's making a dagger. I'm smiling at you because I'm like, I don't want to, I don't ever want to weight shame anybody. And I know that you can do that either of what we're going to argue about. But I feel like that's weight is not an excuse for being like nobody loves me. Because that's not true. Okay. But that's the only thing that was going on in her life. We'll continue.

That is, that is not true. She, okay, let me give you different examples. examples when she was coming up there was no instagram there was no internet there's barely telephones there's western unions she can't go to the next town and find the guy that's really into her for who she is she's like stuck in her town and like that's where it gets worse it actually gets a lot worse than this i'm sure you can find a guy there but i don't but i don't even like this is something that is her problem so continue okay so i don't get moving on moving on she ultimately because she she couldn't find work in florida she actually had a nursing

degree couldn't find work as a nurse they inter intimated that this had to do with her weight i don't know why but it did apparently so she ended up moving in california and there she began working as a nurse and she ended up getting pregnant with a kid there like a one-night santa of a situation the father refused to get involved and so given the error that we're in at this time she told everyone that the father was killed in world war two which like she was like kind of almost right because apparently this guy when he found out that she was pregnant he threw himself into san francisco bay to kill himself and apparently he got dragged out and rescued and then was like okay suicide isn't the answer i maybe will hopefully go to war and get killed but running away from martha is the only

answer and so he just disappeared to his credit though he was a serviceman so he was an actual army person so she was kind of close like he almost could have been a dead soldier well i mean i think he did the right thing by just leaving and not killing her yeah yeah exactly we've talked about that before being like don't kill your spouse just leave just leave and it seems easier to do maybe then but get the fuck out of there okay so we're painting a picture here of martha who now in the 1940s is with child with no husband like not a good situation to be in yeah i'm not saying i think it's right i'm saying that's the nature of the time so she tells everyone that the dad was killed the father was killed in war

which is like kind of like an awesome trick because at that time everyone was really sad for and because all this happened in california and she ends up moving to florida then we can check her story anyways she was in california she gets pregnant with a guy that's her husband apparently and like it's an awesome story no i think most of the human history it seems pretty easy to make shit up it seems harder now because of the internet but you could just like make shit up seems kind of fun think of how many cakes and cookies you would get oh man i should make him a fake wife i feel like you'd send me something taylor to kill her so that we would feel bad for you are that way you're no no like make up a dead wife and then i get cakes sent to me

Well, you could join my app, Widow, or Won't You? How we verify people are really widows. It all comes back around to our get-riched, very slow scheme of Widow or Won't You? I love it. But then if people find out, you're actually a widow, then... They don't want the cakes back, right? That's not great. Yeah. That's exactly what I send people with cakes.

Oh, God, I'm going. this is going to be like a three-hour podcast so we we're back in florida so has a baby husband's dead fake husband's dead i'm in florida husband's a war hero he's dead we're good at this time she meets a bus driver who knocks her up so once again she's pregnant and is with child the bus driver to his credit decides that i'm going to do the honorable thing i'm going to marry you six months he files for divorce six months after they get married so he was like in this is like in and out situation so now you know this woman who has two children is single and is essentially a social pariah for multiple reasons and she does what you do in that situation at that time is you put

a personal ad in the paper seeing you want to find someone to date and be with so like the version of online dating we have today essentially that's when she attracts our next antagonist raymond fernandez raymond was born in 1914 in hawai so it was about six years older than martha his family moved to the mainland and seldom in connecticut given how early in time this was there's not a ton about his childhood out there other than the fact that he got like blattered in the head pretty bad so apparently he was on a ship when a giant steel hatch fell and crushed in his frontal lobe so like the frontal lobe is where they jostle around when you have a lobotony it's like it changes your personality pretty significantly and by all

accounts this is the time when his personality kind of changed he like went from being like a normal dude to being well they said he went from like a normal dude to being kind of like a wubonizer being really into like voodoo and black magic and shit like that which kind of sounds cool but probably not the way that he practiced it so that's where i'm a situation That guy says cool. I mean, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not gonna tip my hat too far, but. It's also worth noting that along the way, he had a wife and four children in Spain, in the middle of all this, by the way, so there you go.

Got it. Raymond's work was to essentially, like, it was, it was foolproof. His job was to answer personal ads from women. take them out, make them like him, and then steal whatever they had. That was his job. That's where he did a full time. Raymond answers Martha's want ad. And from what I can gather, Raymond kind of had some game.

I don't think it would have taken very much to woo someone like Martha, but whatever it took Raymond with his dented brain and fractured skull were able to win her over. So Raymond at this time was living in New York. So I guess this is like national press or something like doing one ads across the nation. And by this point, Raymond had pretty much abandoned his children and wife in Spain. So he was like, I'm done. I'm done with this old shit. I'm now, I have this cool apartment in New York.

And he eventually convinces Martha to come stay with him at his apartment in New York. But he tells Martha, look, this is not like a kid's situation. Like I literally like, I abandoned my four children. We don't need to add two of yours to this mix. So what Martha does is before she lose Florida, she goes to Salvation. Army, which I didn't know this sort of thing. You can drop kids off in the Salvation Army. Did you know that? You can drop kids off at a lot of places. Yeah. I think the Salvation Army is like supposed to be more of a, because it's like a, yeah, I think that was like what it was for. I think in the

beginning was like four things like that, like during the Depression. I'm making that up, but I think that's true. And now you, I know you can drop babies off at like hospitals or fire departments. There's, you can just have them off. There's places. Like, you know, like, I think we talked about how in China before they had like the one baby rule and there's places in China where people have like mailboxes for babies, like just drop it off. Like, please don't kill it. Just drop it off. You know, a lot of like churches and those kind of organizations will just take babies because if people can't take care of them, like you want the, it's like you can, right now in America, you can no questions asked, walk into a hospital, hand the first person you see working there, your baby and walk out and you have the right to just disappear. And they'd do that because we don't tell their babies. It's a good thing. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Apparently, you could also do that with the Salvation Army. So parents, if you don't want your kids, put them in a mailbox. Maybe if you know. There's definitely like a limit. You can't drive like a 14-year-old off. I sort of got, if my parents knew that was an option, they probably would do it to me right now.

But here we are. It's really mom and dad. So, Martha goes. Salvation Army drops her two children off and then makes it all the way north to New York to be with Raymond. And I just can't imagine what the fuck Raymond's apartment was like or what it smelled like. It could not have been nice to be in that room. Raymond ends up telling Martha how he makes money and Martha didn't seem bothered by it. She decided that she kind of wanted in on it and that she would act and pose as Raymond's sister. Because if you recall from when we

talk about the Moore's murders, having a female accomplice is like really great for like looking not like a crazy person. Like you just really helps a lot. Totally. And so this kind of like escalated thing. So Raymond and Martha, obviously they were in a sexual relationship. I think in Martha's mind, they were like really, really together. And Raymond's mind, he was like, great, like this is fine. Like I can just do whatever I want. And she'll draw more women to me. And it's all good. That's how I interpret their relationship. So it's kind of applied that in most cases rain would do the robbing and stealing before any consummation could be had but then you would also sleep with some of these women which would move it was in the same apartment usually that him and martha

was living in essentially and this would make martha super super pissed off so apparently like wait why was he sleeping with those of men who's in well he would have sex with them and then steal their money got it got it got got got got got got so he would he would take whatever he could in that situation So, Martin obviously was not a huge fan of this. One of these women was a 66-year-old woman named Janet Faye, and she ended up, like, Raymond would, like, wasn't just, like, robbing her. Like, he was stealing from her gradually. And so Raymond convinced Janet, the 66-year-old woman, that she should come to live with him,

that they're going to get married, they're going to be engaged and engaged in a cage couple. And so it's kind of like a longer con than most of them. And so Janet goes and lives with Raymond and Raymond's sister, Martha, as far as she knows. And one day, Martha sees the two of them in bed together. Rain is asleep, Janet's asleep, they're in bed together, they're naked. Martha uses a hammer to bash Janet's head in. And in the middle of this, Raymond thinking super quick, decided that to help, he decided to help strangle Janet, which, like, it's not a bad move.

If you're being caught cheating on your spouse, like, and she starts killing the person you're cheating on them with, like, your best bet is to kill that person with them, I think, right? Yeah, sure. Well, I mean, what else are you going to do? Yeah, no, it's bad. This is a bad situation. But then I just got sad because I remember that this whole thing is about lonely heart people. And it's so sad that you're just like, you just want someone to love you. And then, like, someone kills you and steals your mind.

I know, I know. But listen, listen. okay like again we're gonna have a fight about this so here's the thing do you want to show you day fiance no oh my god taylor you have i don't watch reality tv i know but i but okay so i don't know maybe we're gonna agree and get to get to the same answer eventually like we always do but like um i think there's so many people in the world i just don't understand why you have to why this happens but also i'm like i'll tell you exactly i've never been lonely Okay, great.

Lucky you. So I'll tell you exactly why it happens. Listen, if you're like in your 60s and like somebody who is beautiful in their 20s wants to be with you, it is not about your personality. So even than that, in this case, Raymond would have been about 28 to 31 years old, give or take, when this murder of Jan happened to 66. Of course, he's not with you. for your personality janet you were around when fucking napoleon was invading ukraine i don't know i don't

know science or history but you get my point far as that a scientist you guys i'm not a scientist no i don't i totally agree with you that's what that's what makes it so sad because you're just like maybe this is real maybe someone will love me and then they don't they kill you and it's sad yeah just like don't make yourself a victim just like don't be like oh god like but you want to believe it don't you? Taylor, listen to me. As my friend, I don't know what I'm advocating for. I don't know either. Listen, as my friend, if I ever, I'm like, hey, I want to come, I'm going to come busy you guys and drop the tree. And I show up with, like, my 21-year-old supermodel girlfriend, okay?

Yeah. You have to take me aside. You have to separate us, okay? Like, you have to tie me down. Like, Fars, look at you. Like, this would never happen in life. it's not your charm it's the money it's the millions of dollars you have from making this podcast that's why she loves you it's a 33 cents Spotify is paying us we're not we're not getting any minute we have not seen the 33 cents I'm gonna I'm the one who registered I'm pocketing in that so anyways so at this point Janet's dead Raymond like mostly didn't do anything but like kind of was like okay i got to keep martha happy so a better stringless elderly woman so they decided they want to skip town after that first murder and they

probably want kind of a little bit of a palin cleanser move on with their relationship so they ended up resettling in the suburbs of grand rapids michigan where they meet a woman named delphine downing so yes kelly hi kelly's my friend from work and she got her new job and i haven't seen her in a few weeks and I'm sorry and I love her and she listens to this show and she's in Grand Rapids so hi Kelly hi Kelly thank you we're about to tell you a bad story about Grand Rapids probably tell tell your friends to listen to this Kelly we'd really love it but yes we are going to tell you a bad story about Grand Rapids so they made this woman her name is Delphine Downing and Delphine let them into her home she was a widower is that a widower or a widow no it's widow yeah she's a widow a widow yeah

she's a widow and she had a two-year-old daughter could she have used could she have used an app she would have done her much good if she had used an app um but so at this point she's widowed she has two daughter she's a two-year-old daughter and for some reason she was possessed enough to let these to people in i can only assume this was a v1 of like Airbnb which was she's like pay me five dollars and you can stay in this extra room my house i don't know why else you let these people in yeah that's like most of human history right you could go to someone's house and just like at least like stay in the barn i guess um so apparently this two-year-old daughter that delphine had would cry constantly and it like enraged martha this kid would cry so at one point she tried to strangle the two-year-old to

death and then like at the very end she decided to let up on the kid and this ended up leaving a bunch a bruised all over the kid like the kid was just like bruised up and banged up and they had nowhere to go they were basically homeless all they did was rob elderly woman and so raymond being a shrewd customer once again proving how you can be sharp and make decisions on the fly decided to shoot delphine in the head rather than having to explain the bruises smart move did they kill the baby I heard of the baby Don't except in my outline

No one knows to happen to the baby They decided To stay a bit longer At Delphine's house Along with the corpse And the much alive Two-year-old daughter

Who's crying Unsurprisingly Did not get less When our mom Was rotting in the corner Oh my god That's so terrible So after a few days

of this girl crying uh martha decides that it was best to drown the baby and then bury both their bodies in the basement so uh neighbors obviously get suspicious they you know this is one of those times when like you're in like it was in 1940s like people cared about each other then so neighbors groups well not everybody they they didn't care about the ones that didn't look like them but they care about their neighbors so the neighbors was suspicious and see we both reached the same conclusion see that i see you're saying yeah they called the police the police showed up and they immediately arrest them to neither one of them had any property rights to the house they had no keys to the house it smelled like a dead body in there so they're like obviously you guys did

something raymond immediately confessed raymond doesn't sound smart raymond sounds like he suffered a catastrophic brain injury that was undiagnosed and untreated is what it sounds like to me yeah he was told he was told that if he confesses to the crimes they wouldn't extrad him to new york because at that time new york had a death penalty michigan didn't so he was like i did it i killed we we killed this woman in the kid just keep me in michigan they said okay he signed his name that was a lie they immediately pinned him with 17 random murders which like even today nobody actually knows how many people they killed they know for fact they killed these three though so on those three murders janet delphine and the daughter they were

extraded to new york they were both sentenced to death and on march 8th 1951 they're both put the death on the same day which is kind of romantic like lonely hearts kind of like kind of a sweet thing to do i think that happens yeah it's cute it's kind of cute uh and and and like i actually think that they were like they were kind of pure in a way so raymond's last words were quotes i want to shout it out i love martha what do the public know about love that's actually what it said what do the public know about love and man like he really really loved her like like i i oh sorry martha so uh martha ended up having her last meal which apparently was ham eggs and coffee that her final saying was, quote, what does it matter who is, wait, hold on, I can't read this,

sorry, quote, what does it matter who is to blame? My story is a love story, but only those tortured with love can understand what I mean. I was pictured as a fat, unfeeling woman. I'm not unfeeling, stupid, or moronic. In the history of the world, how many crimes have been attributed to love really she ended it stupid but like she started strong i think i mean so i feel like yes he probably was the first person to give her like ongoing attention you know but they still i mean you're saying that they probably killed more people than this or do you think they did or were they just just like charged with their no i for sure think they did i for sure like they killed a two-year-old you don't start killing two-year-olds you graduate to killing two-year-olds yeah no it's bad it's bad it's

all bad but it is interesting that by all accounts i almost so usually in these situations i think like the man manipulates the woman into doing things in this case you got a guy with fucking severe brain damage and then martha's the aggressor in like both situations she strangled the daughter and then she bashed Janet Scullin or she bashed Janice Scullin with a hammer then strangle the daughter. It's like, I don't know. I think maybe like,

I think New York might have killed a handicapped man. Yeah, no, I think that that could be true because he definitely had brain damage. He was definitely like a criminal because he was robbing people, but maybe he wouldn't have killed them if she hadn't been there to do it, but maybe like what made her do that?

They do look like a cute couple though. Like I do aspire. one day to like be in a relationship like this where we look at each other and you're happy and it's marcia back and look at that they're so cute together oh my god they are so cute together they're so happy listen i think i think it's just cute i think i do like she looks cute with her little flowers on her little 40s haircut they like each other i mean they shouldn't tell people cap, though, Taylor. Like, he kind of, like, I don't know, you know what I mean? Like, he just, his eyes look like they're both, they're going in different ways. His head doesn't not look dented. He kind of had, has a Robert Duval vibe to him.

Okay. I mean, it's very sad. It's sad. Oh, oh, I see Pish for the baby. Tell me this guy. That's sad. And I feel like. this guy right here he does not have it all there right no I agree and that's too bad yeah like I feel like it definitely has to do with his head injury and maybe has to do with her feeling like

no one would love her because of the first two boyfriends like or whatever guys got her pregnant and just like desperately didn't want to be with her but you can just like meet someone who likes you and then not still I just saw the baby picture A cute little baby

I know she's so cute I mean don't kill people is the answer is the obvious answer to this like the one guy did a great job by just like leaving if he didn't want to be with her he just left fine like

he threw himself in San Francisco Bay well you know he got out he didn't die I mean I don't know do you know more about her personality I feel like with crimes like this

why you think that she was the one who didn't do this with crimes like this that go back so far in time like there wasn't a constant true crime nobody was pointing over this shit constantly it's like yeah details of her sports

finding details about Raymond's life was like almost impossible like there was basically nothing out there because who the fuck is rock around this shit yeah well yeah I mean I feel like I'm gonna see if they're in this book

in this they're not I want to see if they were in this popular crime book. But yeah, no, it's... They were the original lonely heart. I feel I don't know more for what. Yeah.

And that's sad. It's sad when someone's like, I don't know, there's so many stories of that, especially with the internet where you could like pretend to be anyone, you know, and like convince someone to give you money, tell someone that you love them,

blah, blah, blah. and then take all their money, which is so sad. I know. Because you just want someone to love you. And there's people out there who want to be loved. And I say that again, as someone who's never been lonely. Lucky you, Taylor. Good for you.

I know. I'm saying I don't know. But. I am in a happy, healthy relationship. I know. I'm very happy for you. Juan Carlos was looking at your pictures. And he was like, ooh, who's this?

And we're excited to meet her. Oh, my, my insta post, my stories. Yeah. You're making it instant official. Yeah. So, yeah, like, we're very mature about it. It's all instant official. No, we went to a haunted house on Tuesday on Halloween.

Fun. Oh, my God. Yeah, it was just Halloween. God, I feel like it is. I don't even know what fuck is going on. I feel like my brain is like, please go to sleep for the rest of your life, which is not what I plan to do, but like, oh, my God, I'm so tired. but yeah so yeah we did we went to get treating and it was very fun dude taylor extend the trip

extend the trip like stay longer and go do this road trip with us not a road trip it's not a road trip it's i know because i have to go to school are you what are you getting there so i get there we get there like friday at noon okay yeah we don't we get there early but we get there wednesday and then we're studying two days with wans parents and then we're going to the wedding Fars and I are going to be together again in... We've seen us over so much this year. It's actually bananas that we live so far apart and have seen each other so much. It's almost too much.

We're going to hang out again. We can actually... We got to figure out a recording schedule for that weekend because I'm sure it's going to be chaotic. Yeah. We'll find a place... Yeah, we've got to figure out. Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm super excited.

Our friend Jay and Beth are getting married. Jay also just, I just got out of the whole month of watching scary movies with Jay and it was so fun. Jay does a wonderful scary movie calendar and Faris pretenses to be grateful for it every year but never joins. I'm always grateful for it. I just don't join because there's other shapes. They're doing it on East Coast time, on central time. She's on, Taylor's on Pacific. It is hard to align calendars.

Well, we worked it out and there's a couple nights a week where Jay would stay up late and March, with us, and we ended with the others, which I'm sure you love. Is that the one with Nicole Kimman? Yeah. Oh, yeah, of course. Oh, my God. So good. So you all ends with the classic.

We did that one. And then we did Exorcist 3. Oh, there's also, this is nothing to do with anything. There's also a new insidious with Patrick Wilson. And I was, like, looking at it. And I was like, ooh, insidious. And my husband was like, cool. You want to watch it?

And I was like, yeah. And then I'm like, oh, my God. He listens to all of our podcast. So he listens to me defending my love of Patrick Wilson for, like five minutes. Wait, is that the devil on trial one?

No, no, no. That one is, that one is, that's actually documentary. That one about the story, that was the devil made me do it. It was the conjuring. This is insidious.

Insidious is like Patrick Wilson where he's like, followed around by like that devil monster or it's like the devil behind him and the thing and like, was burned. He's buried, where he was burned.

Anyway, I definitely don't watch that later. We've just, almost finished that fall of the house of usher which has been so good okay taylor so i watched the first episode of that and i had one of those nightmares where i was like i fucking the nightmare was this i still remember this day so i watched the episode you know that scene in the beginning where it's like the first half of the movie where like the mom's obviously dead and the guy's like she's behind you can turn around it's like i'm not going to do this if i turn around this and

negotiations like the thing dude oh my god great i've i've jumped several times watching the show i like the i like you know that that whole that whole group that their vibe they do all those scary shows like the hillhouse and all of that and i like it it was fun i jumped a couple times so no my time teller i woke up because i um i the dream was and it felt so real i was in i went to the shower like i felt like i woke up and i was going to go take a shower and i was in the shower and i heard a scratching behind the the um the wall and i put my ear up against it saying i'm still here it like whispered i'm still here and i just fucking lunged to my bed and i woke up and like i was like oh my god did i dream that or that really happened it was so scary

yeah that's why i i only i only did one episode too i was old i only did one episode and i can't do anymore because i was like i can't watch this alone like i'll get too scared oh my god that's so funny oh my god i love it that's Yeah, it's really scary. Yeah, so I'm going to continue to do a little bit of that. But then it's Thanksgiving before we know it. And then it'll be Christmas and then it'll be next year. And then we'll do it all again.

Fuck yeah. Hopefully. Fuck yeah. Keep doing it. Cool. Well, thank you. That was terrible and sad. I'm sad for people who are lonely.

Which Taylor wouldn't know. She wouldn't even know what it's like. Taylor wouldn't even know what the only is like. I've been single. for like four months since I started dating people when I was 15. So, you know. Tough. It is what it is.

But, yes, if you are lonely, write to us, tell us what it's like to be a social pariah. Tell us what it's like to not know love and to know that it never will come for you. Well, you should get a therapist. You should talk to that. Me or...

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, You, yes, but I mean everyone. We should all get therapists and try to figure it out. But Lonely Hard stuff is so sad because you want so much for someone to love you. And then you get someone who's like maybe a criminal. Maybe you would you do it if you were separate? Who knows? And there's all those like just horrible things of people, not even killing anyone,

but like just taking someone's money, you know, because they're emotionally invested. And that grifting is just so sad. Be funner. This doesn't sound like that. But it was sad. If you're in this category, just learn a, learn a fun. a hobby and throw yourself into something interesting and fun and before you know it you'll wake up and be doing a podcast of your friend true i like it we got there i'm gonna go ahead we got

there i'm gonna go ahead and cut it off thank you taylor social media at dim to fail dune tofell gmail.com all the thanks