Doomed to Fail - Ep 7 - Part 1: Dorian Gray-t Expectations - Oscar Wilde's wild ride

Episode Date: November 17, 2023

Today, we are re-visiting the story of Oscar Wilde and his relationship with Lord Alfred Douglas. In a time when it was even more harrowing being a gay person (than, like, places in the US today), Oscar Wilde's sexual orientation was an open secret. When his boyfriend's dad got the law involved, things got serious.   Join us for this fascinating trip into LGBTQ history! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail]  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

Hi, Taylor from Doom to Fail. Today, we will be releasing Episode 7, Part 1, which is on Oscar Wilde and his boyfriend, Lord Alfred Douglas. It's super interesting. Oscar Wild really kind of dug his own grave at the end, but before that, he had a pretty exciting life for the times, and we definitely know a ton about him, and it's an interesting story. I'm also going to post some things on Instagram.

He is just an incredible figure for Mid-Journey and creating AI arts. So check that out on our Instagram at Doom to Fail a Pod, and I hope you enjoy this episode. Thank you. In a matter of the people of the state of California, first is Ornthall James Simpson, case number B-A-0-19. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. Welcome to Doom to Fail, the podcast where we. switch up the premise of the show unexpectedly, as is what I'll be doing later today.

I'm Fars, joined here by my co-host, Taylor. Hi, Taylor. Hello. How are you doing today? I'm good. How are you? I'm well. Are we recording it the normal time? We are. It is the morning. It's very bright in your office. That's delightful. I, um, at, at work this week, I was like, 830 meetings are really rough for me because I don't like the mornings. Like the mornings are or dog i hate them i will never wake up early but i do get up early for this so i guess it's just perspective and i did not change the timing on this at all or the day or anything so kudos to me um congratulations thank you so let's go ahead and start by discussing what you would like to be drinking today or will be drinking cool so i'll i know for your story i don't know what it is yet but for

your story will be reminding everybody to hydrate and just drinking water. So make sure to have, have your water. I have my water and my coffee far as that says water and his diet Coke. So we're ready to go. And then for my story that I'll jump into first is I have a quote from one of our, one of our subjects or participants or whatever. And it is alcohol taken in sufficient quantities may produce all the effects of drunkenness. So who would have thought?

A posh, Dricken's and Drinks is the drink in general, because today I'm going to talk about Oscar Wilde and his boyfriend, Lord Alfred Douglas, who goes by the name Bozzy. So I do not know very much about Oscar Wilde. So if you asked me about movies that he was in, I probably won't know them. Well, he was in no movies because he's a playwright from the 1800s. I mean, like, movies about him, obviously. Okay, great. Yeah.

I knew I knew that much. much at least. We'll get to it. I think there's some that you might recognize if maybe you haven't read or seen. So we'll get there. I did a lot of research this week. Just like watching movies, like you said, and listening to some podcasts. I have, I watched a documentary called The Importance of Being Oscar from the BBC.

I watched the film Wild. It's from, it's from the 90s about Oscar Wilde. Stephen Frye plays him. and Jude Law actually plays Lord Alfred Douglas And this is the second movie that we've brought up Where Jude Law plays like the young gay lover of an older man He also did in Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil Oh, okay

So that was Jude Law's kind of genre You know, 20 years ago or so I also listened to a great Oxford lecture that I found It's by a woman named Dr. Sosseltis Her name's SOS. I have no idea how to pronounce that. But Oxford University records their lectures, and you can listen to them as a podcast. So the audio was pretty terrible because I think it was like just a microphone, like pinned to her while she was actually doing her class. And one of the episodes, I think she had like a brooch on or something.

You could like hear it hitting the brooch. And someone was coughing the entire time. So you're like, oh my God, go home. Do not cough for this entire lecture. But still, it was delightful. And it was, I learned a lot. So how many movies and books? and podcasts in total were part of your research i watched two movies and listened to you about five hours

of a podcast thorough thank you very thorough yes it's been it's been a very a very posh week for me i know you're listening to oxford lectures like it's i mean you're like elevating us a little bit yeah it's been difficult not to speak in an english accent to my family and friends so i will try to not do that as well here but i've been listening to it a lot you don't want to you don't want to try to do the whole section your section in a british accent no i don't think i'm ready for that maybe next time maybe next time yes yes so this story appeals to me the way that the eleanor roosevelt story did when we talk about living a full life and and really living the shit out of your life in the story you know oscar wild lived a rich life it i say the word velvet a lot he it

it reminds me of this idea of like waking up late because I hate the mornings and being an artist and throwing a fit and writing all your feelings and then eating a great meal and staying up late, drinking and talking and smoking and then yelling about art

and the meeting of life and then doing it all again. So just like this idea that you're just like in this world of just like artists and art and you're writing and you're writing poetry and you're writing these plays and things like that. And it seems like, you know,

really fun to be able to choose what you want to do even though like he did have obviously working as a writer. And I also feel like I have context to what this looks like, because we're in the late 1800s in like the Victorian era. And I know what that looks like. That's kind of an aesthetic that I like. I want to paint all my walls black and like, you know, have that look, you know, going on in my own home. So it's something that I can really see. And I feel like that I couldn't really see everything in the Taj Mahal story because I just like don't know what day-to-day life is like, was like then but i feel like i know what day-to-day life was for this so i feel like it's easier for me

to talk about if that makes sense i keep picturing hoggwards yeah picture hoggwarks like libraries with like rich oak and stuff like that exactly that you can totally picture hoggwors or do have this so it's very posh everything we're talking about is very very posh so i'm going to talk about the people some of the stories they told some of the things that they wrote and then the bad things that happened to them so there are a couple of bad things do happen to the people in this story. So Oscar Wilde was born, and this is actually where I thought maybe I could flip into an Irish accent, but I'm not, maybe, I maybe won't, but his name was Oscar Finagle O'Fetteri Wills Wilde. I don't know. It's a lot. It's very Irish. He's born in

Dublin on the 16th of October, 1854. His parents were super interested in keeping him educated. He had a, you know, like a tutor until he was, you know, pretty grown. And then he went to Trinity College in Dublin and then he went to Oxford. So to cut to the chase and kind of spoil the story. Another quote from Oscar Wilde is the two great turning points in my life were when my father sent me to Oxford and when society sent me to prison. So it's a big turning point in his life when he gets to go over to England, go to Oxford. He's a little bit of an outcast in the UK because he's Irish, but he gets along and he's fine. While in school at Oxford and Trinity College, he's already making waves as a poet.

So he was known for being lavish in the right way, a lot of velvet, decorating his rooms with peacock feathers. He held lavish parties. He dated a woman who ended up leaving him for Bram Stoker, which is fun. I mean, if you're going to get left for anyone, that's okay. I can live with that. I know. So kind of delightful.

And so he's like, here's what I'm thinking. And this is just me, you're trying to learn in seven hours this week, what people study their whole lives. But he's like, my, my impression of Oscar Wilde is that he's half posh. So he's, for this time when he's in college and the rest of his life, he's going to be part of like the poshest and most fancy part of the British society. And that's what all his plays are about. His plays and poetry are funny and posh people thought they were funny too.

So it was like making fun of them without them knowing. And I think that is the key to like ingraining yourself into like a really rich posh group. he can get in and use their things and go to their summer houses and take the clever things but leave the boring ones and i think that's kind of something that he was able to do does that make sense yeah yeah like you're kind of describing philip seymour hoffman and the oh god i forgot his name truman uh Truman Capote movie that he did where he just kind of can find his way to mingle in different high culture and counterculture groups and fit in wherever he wants to.

Yeah, I would, I would just say, I would say that Oscar Wilde's a little more, like, personable than Truman Capote, but yes, it's like the same idea. That makes sense. And, you know, I definitely feel this way too, like, I have a couple, I know people in my life who are like very, you know, rich and, you know, I went to Harvard and, you know, all that. And I don't really fit in with them. You can tell that I don't fit in with them, even though I, like, try to. And I'm not, like, any worse than they are.

I just isn't the same. And I feel like I can tell when someone's, like, a real. real old money that like we're different yeah yeah i would imagine if we were to hang out with the kennedy's we'd stand out exactly they'd know yeah so exactly but he's he's in there he's already you know writing and he's making money and he kind of already becomes a caricature of himself there's a lot of cartoons like comics of him like drawings and like papers and things which is i don't i guess because they weren't like publishing photographs so in the paper so he used to draw people but a lot of like exaggerated cartoons of him he had this like

long brown hair he was very tall and he had this like his full lips and this long face and so he's easy to do draw you know and to like uh characterize are you looking him up yeah i am okay good i was actually up his IQ first and then i couldn't find anything because they don't have a key test back then yeah he kind of looks like snape a little bit wow you're real going in full Hogwarts. They like it. So there's a, the new, the new Hogwarts game was just released yesterday. It's called, or sorry, the Harry Potter game. It's called Hogwarts Legacy. And I've been watching the gameplay. And I'm like, I'm definitely going to get it. Um, it just hasn't dropped

for Xbox one yet. So I don't know. I'll probably cut this out because it's totally irrelevant to anything. But that's why I'm thinking about Harry Potter so much. No, totally. Yeah, I heard about it too. I heard that it was coming out. So I hope it's fun. It sounds fun. So, Yeah, so you can continue to think he kind of looks like Snape, a little kinder, I imagine, kinder eyes than Snape's eyes, but looks a little bit like Snape with that hair. And there's already, you know, a play that's written that's sort of a satire of him. And he gets invited to come to America to promote it. So he's like part of the zeitgeist. So he travels to America to promote this play and it ends up going back to the UK and just continues to be a writer.

Okay. Anyway, during this time, after college, while he's like in his 20s, he marries a woman. woman named Constance Lloyd in 1884. And they have two sons. And he continues just like write and hang out. So it sounds like him and Constance loved each other. You know, they had their two kids. They took good care of them. They took good care of each other. Unfortunately, the problem with their marriage was that Oscar Wilde is gay. He was gay. He wasn't going to be, you know, happy in a marriage to to a woman because he was a gay man. And so he starts. But she knew, right? Like, Like she knew that she was the beard?

I don't know if she knew. She found out later, obviously, but immediately I don't think that she knew. That wasn't like the deal. Right. Okay. Yeah. It wasn't like, let's get married and, you know, you can do whatever you want. It was like, let's get married because I love you and let's have a family.

And then he just couldn't continue that. Yep. That's rough. Yeah. So a couple friends of his, one friend that will mention briefly is a friend named Robbie Ross. And he was played by Michael Sheen in the movie, in the wild movie. he did a great job. And this was his first physical relationship with a man. So he's someone who will be in his life kind of on and off forever. But he did, he does have a couple of relationships

with men sort of to start. But Robbie Ross was his first. And he was a Canadian man who was in the UK. He inherited a lot of money. And so just was able to like kind of hang out and be a part of Oscar Wild Life. So I know I did an agenda at the beginning of this where whatever laid out what we were going to talk about. But I want to talk about Oscar's work. and him as like a man in this time and in general. So some of the things that are famous that you may have heard of is the importance of being earnest. Have you seen that for that? Is that a book or?

No, I, no, I haven't. A book is the portrait of Dorian Gray. Do you remember that one? That I do. Yeah. Okay. So there's that. He did a couple other.

I mean, he did a ton of stuff, but some of the other famous ones are Lady Windermers fan, Salome, and a woman of no importance. Those are some of the big ones. The portrait of Dorian Gray, if you, you know, read through it with a, you know, a lens, you can see it as like a homosexual love story between an older man and a younger man. So in the portrait of Dorian Gray, this man paints a painting of Dorian Gray and the painting continues to get older and more decrept as Dorian does, you know, bad things and it lives his life, but he doesn't get older. So that's the basic of that story. So some of the themes from Oscar Wilde's work, and this is what I was getting from that lecture, the Oxford lecture, is not judging people because a theme of the time was judging fallen women. Everyone loved that. You know, this woman is pregnant out of wedlock. This woman, you know, is leaving her husband. And people loved to see those kind of like melodramatic tragedies on stage. And he really wanted to flip it and say, you know, judgments are a form of control. I think we've talked about that. before with like marriage being a form of control and things like that so judging women in or anyone in that way is a way of controlling them and so he wants to challenge that in his work so in

his work one thing you're the characters do that they're allowed to do is change and a big tenet of oscar wild's life is you can be something different in each moment and that's okay and people don't let people judge you because you're constantly changing and constantly evolving and one of his things that he also said was the most fundamental human right is to be an individual. So that means there's no truth to who you are because you're always changing, but that's also a good thing. That's part of the tenant. It's very cool. I like that. Yeah. I want to think about Oscar Wilde is like he's like indulgence. He's, you know, writing this plays. He gets kind of fat. He spends his money on a fancy

things. So that's fun. Good for him. And this is a time where being gay is illegal. So like we talked about before, there's always been gay people and it goes in and out of legality, but right now it's actually illegal to be gay in the UK. And in a more, if I was talking about this for like days and days, I would talk more about there's like these like young men sex workers called Rent Boys. And it's exactly what you sound like, you know, you can, you know, get to do that. In the movie Wild, one of them is played by Orlando Bloom. He's in there for like four seconds. It was his first movie. But he just kind of like winks at Oscar Wild and like walks away.

So it's a little like flirtation thing. That's quite cute. So there's secret places for gay men to get together. If you want to know, if you want to be a gay man, it's easy. It's plenty. It's available. It's just like not, you know, technically allowed. And so that means a lot of challenges for Oscar Wilde and people at this time, a lot of persecution, a lot of stigma.

And he, you know, used his writing to start to challenge some of those societies. vital norms and express love, like in different ways. Okay. So that's a little bit about his writing about, like, who he is as a person. So we're still in Hogwarts. He looks like Snape. Very lush, very posh. So just to kind of tie up Constance, so poor Constance, she does die later in this

story, so we won't come back to her. But she, but their relationship isn't the one that was doomed to fail, like, even though it was, but like, that's not what I'm talking about in the story. But like, of course, that was never going to work out. out because he was gay. They never got divorced, but she did end up passing away really young. She was only 40. She probably had MS, but they didn't know what that was then. So she just had, you know, a lot of pain and they did all these surgeries to figure it out. But like surgery in 1890 was like, open it up and around and like see what's going on in there. So it wasn't great. And she died

from complications of one of those surgeries. Unfortunately, when she was pretty young because she was 40 and I'm 40. So I'm saying that's young to die. So this is like, we're, still like mid-1800s right late 1800s this whole thing's like the late 1800s yeah yeah so surgery is still basically butchery yeah like no one's watching their hands there's you know blood everywhere yeah exactly the guy's probably also a butcher like does that too it's in the back yeah that sounds like a terrible way to go so poor thing but here's the relationship that was doomed to fail. So this is his Oscar Wilde's relationship with Lord Alfred Douglas, who goes by Bozzy. And Bozzie is a nickname he got when he was a kid. And it's from his mom calling him Boise

because he was a boy and then turned into like Bozzy. And he was like his mom's golden child, which I get because I call Miles my greatest story, my favorite boy and like stuff like that all the time. So I get it. That's fair. So in 1891, Wilde meets him. And Boise himself, was born in 1870 so time to do some math when they meet in 1891 bozzy is 21 and oscar is 37 so this is something that i looked up how tactfully addressed because i know that we like those age gaps are a big thing that we talk about a lot so there's a thing that wild talks about that there's a great love between an older man and a younger man that's like ancient like plato and shakespeare was talking about it so that's like a big thing that he, you know, talks about love between, you know, different types of people.

And so I'm not going to get into that any more than that. It's not illegal. So fine. So the age. It feels different for some reason. I know. I think so too. But I'm like, I don't know why. I don't know why either. Am I, it makes us assholes? I don't know. Maybe. Yeah. So, like, I don't know. It's a male relationship thing or it could be the time. in which the relationship, I don't know. Maybe we are assholes.

Yeah, I don't know. It could be that. I really don't know. But that's what, it is what it is. It's not illegal, the age gap, but, you know, being gay is illegal at this time. So there's, you know, that happening with their relationship. So when they meet, it's very passionate. Bozzi introduces him to the idea of rent boys.

So, like, they, like, you know, see other people. They, like, go to sex parties and kind of giving into your kind of sexual desire. And Boise is from a very posh line of, you know, minor. royalty and his dad's is the marquess of queensberry which is a very fancy name for your dad to have and his family history includes lots of people dying by suicide and lots of people converting to Catholicism so they're like not mentally stable in in his family and so right now boise is the golden boy around town their fair is very passionate there's lots of love letters and poems bozzi's a writer as well but not as good he's just like a rich guy who's a writer who's a writer

so he's in there and it sounds like Oscar was more involved in the relationship and Bozzy loves him but it's also never really going to commit to him. Meanwhile, so they kind of like they kind of lives together in like a country house in different places and you know, Oscar's still married but he doesn't

he spends all the time with Bozzy and Bozzi's dad, the Marquess of Queensberry and Marquess's M-A-R-Q-E-S which is a British nobleman ranking above an Earl and below a Duke. Still don't know what that means. I don't like to define it.

I know. Whatever. So he's like minor, minor, whatever. And so the Marquess of Queensberry is pissed that he sees his son in this relationship with Oscar Wilde. And he's suspicious that they're more than friends. And he's just like really, really mad. And so he's kind of following his son around, yelling at him, telling him that he cannot be in this relationship.

Everyone's denying it and yelling. And then he goes, he tries to get into this club to like heckle Oscar Wilde and Bozy because he knows. that they're there and he doesn't get let in but he leaves a calling card so you know a calling card is like you know your name and a name you leave a note or whatever so this is spelled spelled incorrectly but he writes on his calling card for oscar wild posing somdomite so he spelled sonamite so he's spelled sondomite wrong but essentially he's saying like give this to the gay man in there it's oscar wild and they know he's gay and giving it to the guards and instead of wild being like this man is a crazy person

person who cares, he sues him for libel. So Oscar Wilde sues his boyfriend's dad for libel for calling him gay publicly. So he really didn't need to do that, but he like, you know, they ended up going to trial. So it goes to trial on April 3rd, 1895. And he is framed as an older man who grooms younger men. And eventually Wilde drops his libel claim because they're like, what are you talking about? we have all these witnesses like so many people know you're gay so they're yeah it's only it's only libel or slander if it's not true right so why put yourself out there that seems like a real it's a bad move yeah it was a bad move yeah he didn't need to do that so he did that and then you know he has to he loses all of his money because he has to like pay all these court fees and

all these things and his friends are like you should leave like just leave the UK leave for a few years go to Paris like whatever like just get out of here for a little bit but he doesn't want to he wants to say his sons are there he doesn't want to leave yet and he was like I've made my bed like I need to stay here so now everyone knows that he's now everyone not just the people in the know know that he is gay and so he gets charged with gross indecency which is part of the criminal law amendment act of 1885 which is an act to make further provision for the protection of women and girls the suppression of brothels and other purposes. So it's basically like the don't be gay or anything that people would think as, I don't know, sleazy law.

And it's, you know, he's still, you know, all his past people love him, you know, but they also are the ones who are like making these laws. So it's pretty, you know, hypocritical of them to be like, you know, you're going to, like, you have to, you know, be charged for this, even though we like adore you and don't really care. so he does get charged he's sentenced to two years of hard labor so he goes to like a hard labor prison and it's awful and he you know goes there and while he's in prison his mom passes away all the sad stuff happens he's not allowed to write like plays or poetry or anything but he can write letters so he writes this like really really long letter to boz called de profundis which is from the depths and it's half a love letter to him and half a letter to the letter to the the way that he lived his entire life. So it's a little bit of like, it's like its own kind of novella and it's thing that gets published after he dies. That's awful, you know, especially going to prison for being gay. Like that's not, not okay.

And even though we had all of that, it is also worth noting that, you know, he inspired people to think differently about love kind of ongoing. He became kind of a caricature of a gay man, which probably isn't what he wanted, but at least, you know, who's sort of at the forefront of getting it out there at this time. you know what I was thinking was I know that none of this is actually true but in theory jail is supposed to be rehabilitative right so was the assumption two years is how long it takes to not be gay anymore or like was it just supposed to be like a constant recurring theme of just throwing someone in jail for being gay yeah I don't know if they were like thinking about like conversion therapy you know I think they were just like two years of hard labor for that and I don't know There was, like, an on-staff psychiatrist. I doubt there was a doctor, you know? Like, it was just not great.

So he does go out of prison, and he goes to Italy and finds Bozzi there. They spend a few months together, but Oscar's very weak. And I don't think Bozzy wants to deal with it. Like, he just doesn't want to take care of him. In the movie, they have a scene, even before this, where Oscar's, like, just has the flu, and Bozzie doesn't want to take care of him because he's kind of a bride. He's a kid. Yeah, the kid, exactly.

So they, they break up. Oscar kind of lives in Paris for the rest of his life. He dies on November 30th, 1900 at the age of 46. So he dies of meningitis and he's buried in Paris. Bozzy actually lives until 1945. So he lives for, you know, 45 more years. He conversed to Catholicism, gets married and has a kid. He just kind of sucks.

Like he, I think he's just kind of doing whatever. Yeah. You know. Can I throw out a casting idea for Bozzi? Yeah. Ryan Felipe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. I mean, Ryan Felipe looks just like Judoah in the 90s.

I'm sure you're right. They do kind of look the same. So, yes. Wouldn't have been that big of a difference. That's exactly right. I think people have them confused all the time. But maybe they're, I know Ryan Felipe and Reese Rutherpoon's son is like 20 now. Maybe he can do it.

There you go. If they do it again. And then just to, so that. That's the sad story. That's Oscar and the man he loved and the man's father who sent him to jail and all these things. Some news homosexuality was decriminalized in England and Wales in 1967, so no longer illegal. And in 2017, Oscar Wilde was among an estimated 50,000 men who were pardoned for homosexual acts that were no longer considered offenses under the Policing and Crime Act in 2017.

So they, that law essentially put 50,000 men in jail. And, you know, 100 years later, they all get pardoned because it's no longer criminal. You said 67? Yeah, 1967. That's, yeah. So that's a little bit ahead of the curve. So the U.S., the Stonewall uprising, happened in 69? Yeah.

It's good for them. Yeah, totally. That's it. That's it. That's all I got. Hey, so question for you, like, having done the research, you did in the reading that you did, if you were to point to a specific thing to look at or read or whatever to basically get the condensed version of Oscar Wilde as like a human

as a philosopher, I think, maybe even. What would you, what would you point to? I already know the story of Dorian Gray. Just curious like if there's anything else out there. I mean, I would honestly watch the movie, the wild movie. It's on Amazon. You can rent it, the one with the one with Jude Law. It's pretty good. And it's W-I-L-D-E. And I'll put a link in the thing, but I thought I did a great job. And Stephen Fry, the actor, did a great job

playing him. He really looks like him. You just kind of get this idea that he's like this like big presence, you know, around town. And did you see the, like, unfortunate, there are also, you know, in the movie and in real life, there were other men who loved Oscar, like that, like Robbie Ross, who would have just been, you know,

in love with him, his whole life but he fell for the like golden boy around town and that was his downfall and one of the um the pictures of them together the it links to an article it says lord alfred douglas the man who destroyed oscar wild so not a good way to be remembered i guess no no he didn't it was it was i i don't even know if it was really his fault much as it was his dad's fault for like bringing it up and like making it a big thing and they could have just had like a rocky passionate love affair their whole lives but

it had unfortunately they got the court involved and I don't know why Oscar Wilde would be like that's libel why you'd even like stir the pot like that yeah just let it die yeah just be like okay

that guy's nuts he spelled it wrong like he doesn't know he's talking about and then move on rather than you know going to court and having you know maids be like he's all sneaking dudes up to his room things like that you're like why

why bring it up but apparently uh alfred douglas was also quote unquote a virulent virulent racist so amongst other things it doesn't come up in the movie but holler me surprised because probably that makes sense um great awesome well thank you for sharing i i'm gonna i'm gonna give that movie a whirl i've always heard the name oscar wild because i consume a lot of the media that he had some influence on um it never got deep into like who he was as a person, but he sounds pretty fascinating as a philosopher in particular. Yeah.

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