Doomed to Fail - Ep 77 - Cloudy with a Chance of Terror: Cumulonimbus

Episode Date: January 16, 2024

Let's head back up to the sky and talk about how terrifying and dangerous clouds are! After a little bit of cloud background info, Farz tells us two terrifying stories. First, the story of William Rankin, "The Man Who Rode the Thunder," who hung in the air for 35 minutes after ejecting from his plane. He basically was IN a cloud, lightning, rain, and more. Then, Farz tells us about Delta Flight 191 which crashed in Dallas in 1985. A convective storm cell caused a 'microburst' that caused the plane to miss the landing and crash onto a highway.Anyway, also Taylor is flying a bit this week! Probably fine! The Man Who Rode the Thunder: Rankin, William H.: 9780135482711: Amazon.com: Books Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

It's a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. And we are recording. Hello, hello, Taylor. How are you doing? Good. How are you?

I'm seeing you from a different angle. I really look like you're wearing horns. It looks cool, right? Yeah. See? See? See? love it um yeah yeah it's uh it's gonna be an interesting a couple of weeks i think because it is

completely iced over here in austin i woke up and my little cowboy pool was rock solid ice um oh my god yeah i went out there with a hatch and started chopping the ice on the top layer so that hopefully doesn't freeze all the way down because it freeze all the way down then it's gonna blow out all the filter motors and stuff like that so do you have like a thing what i lived in illinois as a child we had a like a above ground pool and they put like a big like blow up pillow in the middle of it and that like that will take the pressure off of like the stuff i never heard of that um i do think that after we finish recording i'm going to go out there and put a bunch of stuff like towels and stuff around the hoses just to make sure that they don't get frozen but it is cold it's like what is it it was like 19 degrees this morning um so yeah Yeah, just waiting for the moment when our power grid goes out. So TBD. Yep, that'll happen.

Well, there's cowboypools.com that can help you. But I was just had a wonderful weekend with a bunch of, like, I went to that retreat, and it was really nice, but a lot of the women were from the Midwest. Now they're all getting home and texting pictures. And in Kansas City, it feels like negative 21. Yeah, I was watching the Kansas City, the Chiefs and the Dolphins game, And looking at head coach of the chiefs, Andy Reid's mustache at the end of the game was incredible.

Oh, my God. There's all these videos of people taking like bottles of water out of the refrigerator, refrigerators of the stadium. And then they just hold it up and it just freezes like in real time in front of them. Oh, my God. It's like 45 degrees here and I am freezing my butt off. So yeah. Yeah.

Good luck. So yeah, that's where we are. We can go ahead and hop right into it. I think today is your turn to go first. right that was you but I could be wrong no it's me no it's you because you did Schumacher and then I excited males okay cool well um well yeah I need to introduce us so this is doomed to fail I'm Fars joined here by tailored we're going to cover some topics that are fun sometimes gory sometimes interesting no always interesting always interesting

always interesting yes thank you for correcting me And today, per usual, I picked kind of like an odd nebulous, not totally obvious topic. Today, I want to instill in our listeners. I wrote down, I want to instill in our readers. Obviously, it was multitasking when I dropped to that part of the outline. I want to instill in our listeners an unhealthy fear of one of the prettiest and fluffiest things in the world. Can you guess what it could be? Is it a puppy?

You love puppies. I do love puppies. No, it is clouds. Oh, great. Yes. Yes. So I'm going to discuss some cloud science for those who are looking for an exciting and fun afternoon. And then discuss a few high profile and terrifying cases of when clouds were our worst enemies and not our best friends as we are prone to think.

Oh, my God, I can't wait. I'm really excited. I'm going on a plane tomorrow also, so I hope that this will clear me. this is horrible timing for this conversation everything's fine go ahead tell me about clouds

I can't wait let's get into it so there are 10 types of clouds that are broken up into three broad categories and most of how they're broken up is dependent on how high they are

in this kind of essentially so super high clouds are generally not dense looking and they're kind of wispy think of like Microsoft 95 background that's one category super high So tall, wispy, not really a threat, don't really do anything.

Then you have mid-level clouds, and these are basically medium density. They're usually a little bit darker towards the center, and they have more like an amorphous kind of shape for them. Again, there's subcategories of all these, but just broadly speaking, that's kind of mid-levels and other version. Then you have the, oh, shit clouds, which are considered the low-level clouds, and those are the ones where all the horrible things end up happening inside of and have. happened to us down on Earth. Oh, my God. The scariest of these types of clouds is what's called the cumulonimbus cloud. Those are the two things that I thought I knew, cumulus and nimbus.

There you go. There you go. So I'm going to probably abbreviate this to CB because saying cumulobinbus is kind of hard for me. My tongue doesn't really work that way. But they're also known as CB Cloud. So I'm going to refer them as CBs. So these are the terrifying ones.

So this is the one that you would associate. with thunderstorms, lightning, hail, tornadoes. And a phenomenon I'd actually never heard before called a thunder snow. Oh, you know what? I have heard of that because they had them when I was in New York. And I was like, what the fuck is a thunder snow? I remember. I feel like I was like one of the first things I ever tweeted was like, what the fuck is

a thunderstorming and snowing and terrifying? Yeah. And then there's lightning. It's like crazy. Like so all of those are things that happen within CB clouds, like this cloud type. And so they are huge. by nature. So these can generally vary somewhere between as high up as 700 feet from the ground all the way up to about 69, 70,000 feet up in the air. And they can be tens of miles wide.

So 40 miles, 50 miles, somewhere around there. So these things are huge. And when they roll over your city, you should be inside for most of it. I read a ton of stuff on how these are formed. And I honestly don't understand any of it. It's just, a lot of topics around pressures and water vapors and updrafts and down drafts and air circulations, all this different kind of stuff that it's just like, I don't, I'm not a meteorologist, I'm not a scientist, I don't know how they, I don't know how it works. I don't get it. So I'm just going to focus mostly on why they're horrific through the explanation of, well, examples of stories of what's happened to people when they've been inside these things. I love it. So,

There is two concepts I'm going to touch on that happen within CB clouds. One is called CloudSuck, which isn't good. It kind of sucks. Singer, got it in. So this, a cloud suck is when the air inside of a cloud rises to the top due to the turbulence inside that cloud. Due to just, again, barometric pressure, like a whole host of scientific things that I don't totally understand. And for a human to be inside a cloud suck is really, really bad, given the fact that the concept of gravity doesn't really apply to you when you're inside of one of these things. And add to the fact that while you're inside one of these things, you are subject to lightning, hail, torrential rain, freezing temperatures, all the rest of it.

But you might be asking yourself, Fars, why would a human ever be stuck in something that's 30 to 50,000 to 50,000? high in the air, like one of these CB clouds. That's probably what you're asking yourself. Super, Superman, maybe. I have an argument against flying as a superpower because it's cold as shit and it sounds awful. Yeah, but I don't think you get cold if you're Superman. Does you

get cold? Um, I don't know. But then does you get hot? Because then you'd have to walk around wearing layers. Otherwise, people are like, oh, there's one human in New York City who can walk around without. He has to act like one of us. Right. I don't know what's an airplane far as.

Isn't it an airplane? No. So, well, sort of. Yes, kind of, almost. You're almost there. So one way that you can end up in this situation is if your name is Colonel William Rankin, and you are flying a fighter jet while trying to go over a CB cloud. So we're going to talk about his story as the.

relates to the concept of Crouttsuck. So, on July 26, 1959, Rankin was flying his F8 fighter jet, which, I know, I'm talking about 1959, but I actually read up on these things, and this is not like some weird, you know, Wrights Brothers type plane. It looks like a modern fighter jet. It is a jet plane. It's a little stubbier looking at a modern fighter jet, but this thing still has a max speed of 1,100 miles per hour and a survey ceiling of 59,000 feet. So, like, again, no slouch. I know it's old, but it's like, it looks like a modern fighter plane, essentially. And what Ranking was about to do actually isn't stupid as I go through and describe it.

You just had really, really bad luck. So he was flying from South Waymouth, Massachusetts to Beaufort, South Carolina, which is about 1,000 miles away, which he could have done within an hour to two hours. Not that big of a deal. fairly rudimentary flight during his flight and directly in his way was one of these cb clouds that was around 47,000 feet high we know this because spoiler alert rankin is going to survive this experience and he will have a picture perfect memory of all of its instrument readings except oddly enough his oil pressure reading for some reason but we'll get over that he knows for a fact

that at 47,000 feet is when he realized things were going to rise so he was probably higher than 47,000 feet because the plane was climbing so what he was doing was trying to go over the cloud he didn't want to go through it because everybody knew at that point that going through these things was a poorly horribly dangerous his idea was also go over it he's a 47,000 feet shouldn't have been a problem because service ceiling was 59,000 feet so he starts going over the cloud when all of a sudden his engine sputters out and he's like oh shit what am i going to do now uh ordinarily this wouldn't be a problem because these planes are made to glide. Like, you know, not like a glider would, but you can still glide down.

You don't have to, like, you know, think you're fucked when you're 47,000 feet. The reason why he kind of was fucked was because his fire engine warning sound came on. And he was like, oh, this thing is on fire and probably about to get consumed by fire. And so he did the only thing he really could do, which was he reached down and pulled his ejection seat and went out the top of this thing at 47,000 feet high. directly over a CB cloud. He was not wearing a pressure ice suit, and he was traveling at around 630 miles per hour when he ejected.

He wrote a book after this experience called The Man Who Wrote the Thunder, and I read through it and read his description of what this experience was like. He described it as hitting a wall at 630 miles per hour, because that's basically what he was doing. And on top of that, he talks

about the cold outside. So when he was saying was that inside is cold super cold he went from he went from 75 degrees inside the cabin to negative 70 degrees outside plus the tremendous wind rushing past him all that stuff he described the cold as almost feeling like burning like it kind of it makes me think of dry ice like when you if you've ever picked up dry ice which i did as a child because i thought i don't know what i thought yeah um but the one good thing was that it was so blisteringly cold and he was going so fast that his body basically went numb from the cold. He basically felt like he was burning off all of the Zurb endings.

And so he went numb for the most part. As he starts descending into the cloud, he realized that he wasn't wearing his oxygen mask. It was aware that he would lose consciousness pretty soon, which meant that his parachute on his ejection seat is set to deploy at 10,000 feet. That's the time that it was supposed to happen. But he was like, well, what if something goes wrong? I'm going to be blacked out if I don't get my accident. with an oxygen mask on. So this, he talks about, like, this is like a page and a half of the book

about how much energy and force it took for him to be able to move his hands close enough to his face to, like, get this thing strapped on because he was just being spun in all different directions, but he was finally able to do it. And it was at that point that he starts noticing that there's blood pouring all around his face. So his eyes, nose and ears were all fleeting, and they were freezing, all the blow was freezing on his face immediately. And all this was due to the explosive decompression. So because he wasn't wearing a pressure suit, his eyes almost flew out of his skull from the pressure. It's like, yeah,

this is like the Arnold Schwarzenegger. Oh, I love that. In total recall? Yeah. So he continues to free fall and starts doing some rough calculations on when his shoot should automatically open. And his writing, he bounces back and forth between confidence in his training and his equipment and then abject feared that he should just open the shoot manually. His problem was that his oxygen tank really only had about five to six minutes worth of auction in it. So if he opens a shoot too soon, then he'll be oxygen deprived and probably rained

by the time he lands if he doesn't die of freezing cold before then anyways. Oh, my God. So he recalls eventually searching for the ring to pull the shoot open manually. And then right as he was about to, the shoot opened on its own. And that was a relief. He was like, great. So I'm at 10,000 feet. Everything's fine.

I should be going in for landing here soon. He was not at 10,000 feet. What? Yeah. So the release mechanism for the parachute is not based on height. The shoot doesn't understand how high you are. It's based on barometric pressures. So the lower you are, the higher the pressure is because you're closer you're getting to atmospheric pressure.

And so that triggers a mechanism when the shoot to open. But in a CV cloud, you can't really. trust of pressure readings because 10,000 feet in one of these clouds could be 20, 30, 50,000 feet barometric pressure that would be on the ground, essentially. So that's what happened to this guy. So we don't know how high he was when the shoot actually open. We just know that he definitely was not landing anytime soon. He was in the middle of the cloud, in the middle of the worst weather inside the cloud. So he was surrounded by thunderstorms and lightning. And what he would talk about was even when his eyes were close, he could literally see lightning directly in front of him.

And he said it was a lot different than what you see, like, on the ground. So in the ground, you know, you see lightning. It's just like little shards that are going down on the earth. In this case, he was talking about how it looked like he's like two to four foot long blue sheets directly in front of him that would sometimes wrap all the way around him instead of shooting all the way down to the ground. So I went on like a weird little side quest about how this could happen and you not automatically die. And apparently the reason you die when you get hit by lightning on the ground is because the lightning goes through you because it's trying to hit the ground. You're the conduit to the ground for it.

But apparently if you're in the air, lighting doesn't hurt you. It like wraps around you. Like it just goes around you and it's not a big deal. It's really strange. Like I never knew that. But apparently that's like why when planes get struck by lightning, nothing happens because lightning just goes around them because they doesn't have a reason to go through it. Wow.

It's kind of weird, right? Yeah. So he described the feeling of the thunder and what that was doing to him. And this one I really resonated with. It reminded me the one and only time I went to a shooting range and I was in the basement of this building inside like an entirely cement line building. And it's funny because when you're there and you hear the gunshots going off, the thing that you freaks you out is not the sound of the gunshot.

It's the fact that it just shakes your inside. It's like, you just quakes everything inside of you. You're like, holy shit. And that's what he was describing. He was like, I didn't hear the thunder. I felt it. It was like inside my bones. It was inside my body, which is absolutely terrifying to think of.

And the book he mentioned that in the middle of all this, he hadn't even thought to look at his watch. But by the time he did, he realized it had been 20 minutes since he ejected. Again, he had a picturesque memory of every one of his instrument readings. He ejected at around 6 p.m. local time. It had been 6.20. And he was like, I'm still not on the ground. It's been 20 minutes. I should have been on the ground by now.

God. What time of the year was it? Like, was it light out or was it dark? It would have been, so it would, it should have been light out, but he was inside the middle of it, which was dark. Right. Okay. Okay. But there's like, but like technically if it got out of the cloud, it would be light. Yeah, it would have been. Yeah. He mentioned that when he was inside of it, he was like the only like thing was like with the lightning hit. The only good part about the lightning hitting was actually him being able to know like his orientation because it was just pitch black inside. Absolutely terrifying. It's so scary. Yeah. So I did some rough math, and terminal velocity for most humans is around 120 miles per hour.

So by all accounts, between ejecting at 47,000 feet and accounting for, let's say, a descent from 10,000 feet with a parachute, he should have been on the ground within 10 minutes. So it should have been 10 minutes from ejection to being on the ground. He was at 20 minutes, and he was just about to get the roller coaster of all this started. 20 more minutes will have passed of him being sucked up and down inside this cloud again he's being pushed back up he's not actually descending and one of the things that he mentioned was it was also in the middle of like all this torrential rain he literally thought to himself I'm going I'm going to drown like he when he plays out this scenario in his mind he was like this can be incredible I'm going to land probably somewhere on a tree dead and when they do my

autopsy they're going to find that my lungs are full of water and I'm like how on earth is this even possible like how could this possibly happen it was it was interesting that he just played all this stuff out but yeah about around 640 or so so 40 minutes from ejection until um until he actually looks down and sees green underneath to your point it was daytime out so you can actually see what was going on underneath him and so that's when he kind of yeah that's when he came out of the clear covering and he realized that he was going to be on land which he was then found and immediately rescued he would become the first person in human history to have gone through a fall of a CB cloud and survive.

There's actually only two in history. The other one happened in 2007. There's a woman named Iwa Wisnirska, and she would have the exact same experience where she was a paraglider and got trapped in the updraft of one of these clouds. She would end up going about 37 miles from her original point. That's how far this thing dragged her. And her experience was also harrowing, although she didn't write a book about it. it. And so there was not a ton of stuff that I could research about her case. And so that's why I went

with Rankin's story. So that is a hellish, nightmarish situation that was totally not of his own creating. And wouldn't wish on anybody. But that's not the only one. The other one, I want to talk about the other situation here that has to do with clouds, has to do with what's called a microburst or a downburst depending on your source. Do you know what this is? Nope. Scared, though. I'm not scared. But I'm okay. I remember this story. So I'm going to talk about this. Okay, let me, I'm actually going to get into it.

So basically a microburst is just assume you're in like a cloud and then all of a sudden from above you, there's this huge rush of air that just goes straight to the ground and then dissipates once it hits ground. It's crazy fast, like 150 miles per hour wind that just come straight down completely out of nowhere. And again, fair match for pressure, whatever. There's a whole other reasons why this happens. The problem with these is that it can happen almost instant. and without notice or without warning. So think about a plane flying to the air through one of these clouds. In most cases, it's really not a big deal because, yes, it hits the plane.

The plan will jostle will experience turbulence and just keep on going. The problem is if you are taking off or landing, you might be so close to the ground that when you get pushed down, you could hit the ground. Or when the microburst hits the ground and then shoots back up, then that turbulence can cause you to crash. So you really don't want to be stuck in one of these things. And now science has gotten pretty good at detecting the atmospheric situations and conditions where these could occur. And so we're getting a lot better with this stuff now. But I'm going to go through a discussion of a time when we weren't really good at this. It also reminded me, Taylor, of this one

flight. I was flying from Miami back home to Dallas. And we were taking off in the middle of a thunderstorm. And I could feel that I was, I've never been more scared of my entire life. I was like This was the worst idea of posse. Like, I was like, dude, I will pay you fucking 10 times whatever this airfare is to just lay in the thing. Like, we will all pay you. Every on the plane was screaming. They were crying. Like, it was an absolute nightmare.

Like, I've never really, like, prayed for my life before. And I started praying. It was like, I'm literally going to die. Like, this is going to be the end of us. And it made me think of this situation because I learned about a case where that happened upon approach. and it ended in horrible, horrible tragedy, which we're going to discuss here in a moment. So forever ago,

I learned about this one flight that was coming into DFW for some reason, Dallas, Fort Worth Airport, has a ton of accidents. Like, I don't know. It's because the weather in Dallas is fucking crazy. I was there, number one, I got stuck there because there was like all of a sudden there was a tornado and then all of a sudden there was like a thing.

And then my boss and my coworker, their flights left. And I was like, I'm bummed that my flights canceled. but also I don't want to leave in this. You know, like, I don't know. But they're leaving it all the time. It's very, I mean, the weather's just fucking crazy. And Dallas, there's hail, like, out of nowhere.

It's that. And I also think it has something to do with the fact that it's, like, wide open plain land. You know, like, there's not anything that really breaks. When you drive up to DFW airport, like, you're not around buildings at all. Like, Dallas proper is, like, 20, 30 miles away from the FW airport. And so if winds are going to be. going to pick up. They can pick up momentum a ton over there. And so, I don't know, it's just

like a lot of stories I was reading about this stuff was like, and then the plane crash in Dallas, and then the plane crash on approach from Dallas. And it's also a lot of, a lot of, you know, a high number of planes going into Dallas, so. That's true. It's, it's actually the central hub for American

Airlines, and so that's the biggest airline of the world. So like, it kind of all makes sense, but still, it is terrifying. And it made me think of it because I used to fly from L.A. to Dallas all the time. And this one story came up and it was like, oh, this is a doomsday worst-case scenario. So let's go, let's go into it. This was actually not American Airlines.

This was a Delta flight. It was Delta Flight 191. And this was an accident that happened on August 2nd, 1985. So this plane was carrying about 152 people plus 11 crew. That included a captain, first officer, and a flight engineer. And they were all super, super experience. That's one thing about this story that's like horrific is like nobody did anything wrong. Everything went perfectly fine, and everybody fucking died.

It's worse taste. So this flight was, it took off out of Fort Lauderdale, and it was scheduled to fly into DFW for a layover before it was going to continue on its way to LAX Airport. And they reached around New Orleans when they noticed a very large storm cell directly in front of them. They appropriately asked air traffic to route them around the storm. But ultimately, as he got closer to DFW, they were basically forced to go into the storm cell. to be able to get to approach position for DFW. At around 6.4 p.m., it's interesting because the other one was at 6 p.m., the Rankin's story. Weird. They all happened at 6.4 p.m., they were about 1,000 feet above the runway on approach,

and basically you could hear the captain in the first officer on the voice recorder struggling to keep the plane afloat. They don't offer much detail other than a frenetic request to like, hey, spool the engines up point the nose up stuff like that like you don't really know what's going on like it doesn't give you any details all you know is that like whatever reason they're doing a smooth approach and all of a sudden they're freaking out and trying to

try to increase throttle what what air traffic control saw off in the tower was the plane overshot the runway slammed into the ground and then kept going forward it was in one piece and it kept going forward towards the highway that's off the side of the fw airport and it would eventually break up on the highway as it was hitting signs and cars it would eventually kill one guy's 28 year old named

William Mayberry who was in his car when the left engine landed on him oh my god what a fucking way to go what a nightmare so out of the 163 people that were on board 137 of them were killed and then the one guy William was killed on the ground so 138 I'm looking at a diagram where you can talk about you should have sat in the back in this one so here's the thing I've looked at a ton of these diagrams there actually is no secret because I know. It depends on what the accident is. I mean, you could never have guessed it would have been a crash on the freeway, you know, that was like.

Yeah, like, how do you plan for that? It's also a huge plane and a bit of a smoking section. Are you jealous? Yeah, I think I would enjoy flying a lot more if I could smoke. Also, my life, I would enjoy a lot more if I could smoke and it wouldn't kill me. So, get on that science. Yeah. Get on it.

So the NTSB would investigate. And, like, that's the thing. like realistically nobody did anything wrong what happened was upon approach there was a microburst that showed about in nowhere it hit the plane smashed to the ground and caused enough turbulence where they couldn't sustain um lift anymore and it just crashed the ground it was literally yeah like there was no no reason for this to happen except the happenstance and that's why these things are so dangerous now like i said they do have doffler sonar on plane so they have like a better idea of when a microburst could potentially hit.

But, like, still, that's not great. Like, it's not like a rock solid science on that. The good thing to know is that there's actually only been two fatal plane crashes caused by microbursts when the planes were at cruising altitude. All the other crashes were on approach or landing. So, if you can get through the takeoff and landing, you're good. Like, once the planes in the air, you're usually good. I know.

I know. Oh, my God. Unless you're that MH flight, whatever that Malaysia. Airlines flight, which also, I think, went through a CV cloud and was torn to pieces. I forgot what the story was with that one. Do you recall? Wait, the big Malaysia airline flight? Yeah. They don't know what happened.

MH370? Yeah. Like, I watched the documentary, and it doesn't seem like anyone knows what happened. Murder suicide by the pilot. There's also, like, potentially... Hypoxia.

I feel like they might have gotten. and shot down by accident. Yeah, that could be in, too. You know? So, yeah, okay, I guess that was one of the, you know what? I'm remembering like an old, old memory of when this first happened. And they were like, oh, it was probably just, it probably went through a CB cloud and got torn to pieces and disintegrated.

And somebody, there was like memes happening of like, okay, new fear unlocked, a plane can just disintegrate in the middle of the air. Yeah, I mean, that can happen. Well, great. Yeah, that's my story. that's really scary yeah we just bought tickets we're going to go to japan for two weeks in april no way that's so cool i'm really excited but i'm scared because it's a 10-hour flight i'm going to have to get like some very serious knockout juice drugs and just wake up in japan that'll be so much fun everybody

everybody i know who's been to japan has said that it's probably the best place i've ever visited i'm really excited it's just we've always wanted to do it so we're going to do it just me and one whoa and the kids are what going to your mom um his parents are going to come and they're going to take them to Yosemite for a week because it's spring break and then hang out with them for a week. So, super lucky. Yeah. Nice. Very cool. Yeah, cool. If I survive, if I survive my flight tomorrow. Wait, you're going to, you're going to the Bay Area tomorrow? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, you'll be fun. It'll be fine. When does anything bad happen landing in the Bay Area, except that Asia flight? Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. Sweet. That's crazy. That was super fun. I can't believe

that William Brankton and then I saw he died in 2009 good for him yeah yeah he lived a really good long life yeah his book is pretty fun it's worth reading the man that broke the thunder yeah yeah he is so much better at describing the experience than I am and so yeah if you can if you can find it so like a big chunk of it is for free you can find it for free on on amazon um like 20 30 pages of the entire experience from when he ejected until when he hit the ground so like that's the best part anyways so yeah worth a we're the search we're the read cool uh do we have any listener mail that we want to call out no no but you know you always can email us dune to fell pod at gmail dot com find us on the social tell your friends so we can get more listeners and

get advertisers and get famous yeah please and if you have an unhealthy if you're about write to us and love stem yeah i don't i don't 100% want your bad turbulence stories but you can send them farce can read them yes i will gladly read it sweet we'll go ahead and cut things off taylor thanks fars that was scary thank you yeah absolutely and i'll see you in a little bit cool