Doomed to Fail - Ep 84 - City of Darkness: Exploring Kowloon Walled City

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

Let's explore one of the most densely populated places on the planet - Kowloon Walled City in Hong Kong. For three decades, people constructed a tightly-packed, overcrowded residential complex in Hong Kong. Discover the intriguing story behind this unique experiment in human habitation!Sources:https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/kowloon-walled-city Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

It's a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. And we are here, we are alive, we are active, and we are discussing sports. Hello? My eyes with soft balls. we are going to

watch at home in our house that's such a good way to do it I kind of want to do that but I'm kind of like I'm always at home and like during the week especially I work at home and I just stay home

and really the only time I get out of the house to walk Luna and I was like just go out like get the social experimentation of being there and watch a football game out of your system and so yeah I'm gonna keep a low key

go there have a beer or two and then call it a night but looking forward to it yeah i got i'm thirsty and it's a super bowl sunday so i'm drinking a bud light fuck yeah do it you know sometimes you're like i'm just thirsty for a bud light it's like water and delicious and it's fine i've i've literally never said that in my entire life i'm an ipa guy i've definitely been like i've been like should have water should have a bud light and i'll have a bedlight which is terrible yeah i mean it's the beer that like it's that it's well you know what actually i will say this and i think we actually talked about this on the podcast i had a lot of coors like actual real cores not cores light when i was in denver like earlier last year and i was like this is great beer it's called cord

banquet it was like this is actually really good beer and i stand by that you know what now i'm in the mood for some cores banquet so that's what i'm going to do today i love it um welcome to doom to fail the podcast where we have no agenda and no premise whatsoever we just like to talk and present new things to each other as friends and have banter about that. That's my new intro. I love it. Am I going first today? I don't know.

We're off. We're off. Whatever you want to do. I'll go first. I'm going first. It's probably better anyways because I'm expecting the dog to start barking in like an hour from now. And by that point, my session will be over and I can meet myself while you're talking.

Perfect. Sue Taylor, I am going to cover a topic because I know that you are a huge John Claude Van Dam. Superfan. Oh, my God. You have no idea. The topic of today was in the cinematic masterpiece

known as Bloodsport. It's actually where the Kumitae took place. Do you remember any of this? No. Did you watch Bloodsport? No.

I feel like I haven't seen many John Claude Van Dyme movies. Not for any reason. I am pretty sure he's delightful. he's not like Stephen Seagal who's like actually a bad guy, right? He's like just like a kind of a playful.

Stephen Seagall is such a piece of shit. Yes. He is like an objective traitor to the United States and like he is a horrible, horrible human being. Everything else has to any case is also a fake martial artist, whereas John Claude Van Dam is a real martial artist. But the long story short is his character is this guy who has to go to Japan or China or I don't know where he's going. he's going somewhere, whatever, some Asian country, and he has to fight in this underground fight to the death, and they use this one city as the location of where this fight happens. The reason to use this city is that's scary as shit, and it looks like hell on earth.

And I actually rewatch that part of what sport, as I was doing my research, so I was like, oh my God, I can't believe, I totally recognize the city. I'm going to be talking about a city that is known colloquially as either the city of darkness, for the city of anarchy, or by its formal name, Calhounwald City. Do you know this city? Uh-uh. Okay. Look it up first and foremost, but let's not talk about how it looks.

Just look it up, have it pulled up. It's spelled K-O-W-L-O-N. Kowloon-W-L-L-O-N. In Hong Kong. Hong Kong. Yes. Oh, whoa. Okay, I have sections broken out here.

I'm going to get to the appearance like in like two minutes. I'm going to go through this real quick. So if you've looked this up, you'll notice that it is just like a crazy hodgeposh mass of like buildings. Like it doesn't even look like it. It looks insane. And the reason it looks the way it looks is that Calhoun City has a distinction of being the most densely packed city in the history of the world.

And I'm going to just go out there. and say something that people are going to be offended by, I fucking hate New York City because it is so densely packed. There's people crawling everywhere. They're like walking on top of you. I don't know how people live in New York. I get it, cool, it's vibrant, whatever, so on and so forth.

But I think that most people when they think about densely packed city, probably think of New York City. Fair? Well, yes. And it's not for everyone. So, fine. You don't have to like it. I would live in New York if I didn't have a family, for sure.

But also, yeah, this is like New York City times 700 bajillion. Okay. I'll give you the exact number of it, actually. Okay. So New York City's population density is 70,000 people per square mile. And that I took a lot of backwards math and like I'm really bad at math. So like I'm probably wrong about like the backwards math I did. But I think that comes to three X the population density of Los Angeles.

So I'm just doing like you look at East Coast, West Coast comparison, like what population density kind of looks like because it's hard to think about it. It's like when someone says a million gallons. Like what is a million gallons of a fuck? I don't even know. No, that totally makes sense. I mean, because like in there's no houses in New York City. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

So 70,000 per square mile in New York City. Caled Wall City has a population density that if it was up to a square mile would be 3.2 million people per square mile. Oh my God. Crazy dense. Crazy dense.

Luckily, it's not. It's about 6.4 acres. It's roughly the size of a city block. And so the population was estimated to be somewhere in the range of 33,000 to 50,000 people in one city block. Crazy, right? That's crazy. So let's start talking about the appearance real quick. I have a whole shtick on this, but I'm going to let you, I'm going to defer to you.

What do you think? I mean, it looks like, like, okay, you know in Las Vegas when at the New York, New York, Casino? You know how I'm using that? No. For everyone else. Vegas and New York, New York is like the New York City skyline kind of, but it's like not separate buildings. It's like all one building. They just have the facade look like it's separate buildings, you know? It like kind of reminds me of that because it looks like a bunch of

buildings just as pushed together as humanly possible. Oh, that's good. That's a great example. Yeah. Okay. I'm looking at it now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty accurate. Like what's the what's the vibe that's giving you? Um, well, I'm very stressed out that something bad's going to happen because I mean it's just so dense it's also very low it doesn't look it's very high but dense and I feel like they can talk about this but can you like live inside of it and never see the sun yeah getting forehead yeah the vast vast vast vast vast majority of the people that lived in californ city would not see the sun unless they would venture out of californ city into actual hong but yeah those are great examples I also heard one that was really great I was listening

podcast on, do you know 99% invisible? It's like one of my favorite podcast. Okay. Love those guys. And one of the guys was talking about Calhoun City and he said it reminded him of a Borg cube from Star Trek, which I have no idea what that is, but I looked it up and I was like, dude, that guy nailed it. Like he absolutely nailed it. It looks like a Borg Cube. If anybody knows

what that is from Star Trek, that's exactly what it looks like. So I'm going to describe it a little bit, both in terms of its parents and like some of the details of statistics about it. So if you look at it from the top down, what you'll essentially see is roughly 300 buildings of varying sizes and shapes kind of packed in together and it kind of has a Tetris look to it because they all kind of again, there's like really little spacing in between the buildings. There's a very small sliver in the middle that looks like a four yard. It kind of reminds me of like Central Park

almost, but like on a very different scale basically. Yeah. So one thing I thought when I looked at from the side was it looks kind of organic. So, and it was built in one day. I was like it was built in like many days. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I learned that there's like this version. Yeah, exactly. There's like a version of architecture called like organic architecture where like you just

let people do what they're going to do on regulated and like sometimes it works out. And like in this case it kind of worked out, I guess. But this is like a version of that kind of organic architecture because no, None of it was planned or built by professionals. So the buildings, go ahead, sorry. I'm so sorry. Was Bloodsport filmed in there or, like, meant to look like it was in there? It wasn't really filmed in there.

It was, so it was filmed in there. There's a scene at the very beginning where they're showing Jean-Claude Van Dam where he's going to be fighting, and they take him into Calhoun City, and they're walking around the interior, like, the alleyways of Calhoun City, and that is legitimately it. Like, they actually filmed it in Calhoun City, but the, I mean, it was all done on a sound state. Like, the actual fighting space was a soundstage. Cool.

Yeah. I feel like that's, like, the archetype for all of those spaces that, like, you see in those movies where people are, like, fighting. Yeah. You know, and it's, like, crowded and there's a fight. Like, it happened in, like, Jurassic, the last Jurassic Park. It happened in what we do in the shadows. There's always, like, a underground place people are fighting, and it's, like, very dense. So I feel like that maybe, I don't know if that, like, stereotype comes from Bloodsport before that, but that's, like, what I feel like it.

I think it was always kind of like that because it was, it was like that. the original Mortal Kombat games. It was like that. And they did Street Fighter Magnet that was set there. There's actually a ton of content that was created around Calvlin City that I'll get to besides Bloodsport. Bloodsworth was like the biggest one that set out to me. Totally. So the height of the buildings all vary, but the max height that any of the buildings could be was 14 stories tall. And the reason for that was because it was on the flight path for what was called high-tech airport, which is one of the airports. in Hong Kong. It's like a 10-minute walk from Calhoun City. It was super, super close.

Like, the one thing I noticed was that the units and people, if you look this up, you'll see it. And actually, Taylor, what I want to send you is a link to this incredible photography that was done in Calhoun City. And I hope you can post that. But the long story short of it is that if you look at it straight on, you'll notice that like parts of it jut out further than other parts of it. this is all a my product of people trying to increase our living space again none of this was planned so like you'll just like latch on things to the side of it and try and expand it some span it's um uh living living area so i'm going to go a bit into the creation of calen city which means also going into the history of the UK China Hong Kong Japan

America the atomic bomb like it is a super complicated it is super complicated it is super complicated. It's like if you're like an actual historian who understands this stuff, like write to us and let me know. Yeah, like let us know which detail here I'm not pointing to that I should be pointing to because I started going into this. This is like this history is so dense and rich. It's, I'm sure I'm not going to do it justice, but let's get into it real quick. So again, this is all based in Hong Kong. Kellyn City itself is based in Hong Kong. So the long story short of it is that the Chinese government built a walled fort in Calhoun as a military outpost in 1847. The parameters of that fort are essentially what you're looking at when

you look at pictures of Calum City now. Like that is essentially it. As a byproduct of the first and second opium war, which as far as I can ascertain was Britain sending opium from India through China. And China was like, we don't want you to do this. And I'm getting into a fight over this. I remember when my grandma had cancer in the 90s, I gave her opium for her pain and she had to like

sensing that she wouldn't sell it. That was the first time I'd ever heard of opium. I mean, I think, I mean, we do that now with volume and like oxyotin and like hydrocodone and stuff. So, but basically as a result of this war, what ended up happening was UK was granted a 99 year lease

to the territory of Hong Kong, which also also included Calan City in 1898. Taylor, I feel like you know more about this stuff that I do. I don't know a lot about it, but then I, but I would like, that makes sense because I remember when Hong Kong went independent in the 90s, right? Right. That was when that expired and we were alive for that. Exactly.

Exactly. Yep. Yep. Great. Heading into the early to mid-1900s, Chinese nationalists were in a position to try to retake the territory from the UK and it would fight skirmishers occasionally, but never really escalated too much beyond these little skirmishes, mostly because another little war broke out between Japan and China in 1937. So this is all, I mean, look, the timelines I'm throwing out,

the people, the countries I'm throwing out, like we all know where this is kind of building up to. So Japan occupied the territory and destroyed everything at Calhoun City in Calhoun, except for what's called a Yaman, Yaman, which is basically like, administrative building. It's like a one-story administrative building, and this will come in later. So that was an original piece of architecture that was there since it was established in 1847, and that's the only thing that actually were made after Japan kind of started occupying the region. Much to the joy of one-third of China's population that was controlled by Japan at the time uh what ended up happening to get them out of hong kong in china was the dropping of the

atomic bomb it was the unconditional surrender of japan that was basically it and like this support that's crazy like i'm like how did i not know this stuff like all of the stuff we learned about unit 731 and what japan did to the chinese like those were all people taking out of this territory during this time and sent to be experimented on in japan crazy So that was basically it. So, like, Japan had territorial control over all this. And then, you know, they, the unconditional surrender to Japan happened in 1945. And, yeah, so China was like, great.

Like, now we can move on with our lives and do whatever we do. But then a civil war broke out in China. Again, this history is crazy thick. So tell me what I'm going wrong. A civil war broke out as this happened, which usually happens when a country's been occupied or something's happened. People have like a lack of trust in their leaders. And so what happened was because parts of China were in civil war and civil unrest, a lot of folks were displaced. They were displaced anyways because their homes were destroyed when they were being occupied.

They were also destroyed by their own countrymen. And so what happened was there was a flood of people that rushed into Calhoun into specifically this part of Calhoun because it was relatively peaceful during the Civil War and people were just trying to escape and get away from everything that was going on. so at that point 1947 is kind of picked as like the date that the population in Calhoun City started kind of expanding and at that point in time

it was about 2,000 people were staying in this region so again like the way that a city like this comes into being so crazy so essentially what happened is that the UK had at least this territory and they could have done a lot

with it. But this was right after World War II, and their cities were destroyed. They're like, we got, we got problems at home. Like, we can't really do anything here. So I wrote here that, like, China had a geographic interest to the region, given its proximity to its full borders, but they had no legal jurisdiction to it. Brin had legal jurisdiction, but they had no geographic or economic interest in it. So it created this, like, perfect, like, I don't know, purgatory for a place like this city to kind of pop up. from that original 2,000 people, more and more people started flooding into the region,

and its population kind of hit its stride in the 1960s and 70s. And that's like, when you see pictures of it, like, that's usually like the 70s, 80s when it really like started turning into what it looks like right now. So I'm going to go into the life of somebody that lives in Calhoun City. So there was basically like a patchwork of alleys that were intertwined between the 300, so buildings around the city and above that were electrical wires and piping for waste water

all over it and actually if you watch that scene in bloodsport i mentioned earlier like you can just like google calloon city bloodsport like it is it's like it's broad it is true it is actually accurate in broad daylight if you walk outside in calloon city on the alleyways you would never see the sun so someone never penetrate deep enough wow some reports mentioned that the municipality, like, provided fresh water to the area and that others, other times folks would dig their own wells and pull up groundwater. But I did read some reports of residents that said that there was no water. So I assume that what they mean when they say that we're in the municipality, we're in water, they probably had to the ground level and

you have to, like, go downstairs and get it. Right. That's what I was thinking. They probably have like a pump and get a bucket. You don't have like water in your house in your apartment. Right. exactly um so there was no trash service in the city so residents would just essentially dump their trash wherever anybody else was dumping their trash oh my god most of the time that was just in like corners of alleyways or a lot of times it was also the rooftop they would dump a lot of trash and one thing i read was it was possible to walk the entire all the alleyways at calum city it never touched the ground because you're only walked on trash it's kind of bald yeah that sounds awful yeah yeah I listened to this one mailman

that was interviewed on YouTube and who worked Calvin City and he was like the rats were the size of cats and because there were such a huge drug problem there and so much opium and heroin passing through that they were like feeding fiending too. Like they were like rats

Oh sure. Oh god. Yeah yeah yeah. So the central court area it was like mostly cleaned by the standards of hygiene that were being exercised here essentially and that It was largely where kids would go to play. It was like a community gathering area. It was also referred to as like the senior citizens living area.

So like the older people would go there because it was on the ground level. And that's where that Yemen or whatever it's called that I mentioned that the Japanese left when they destroyed everything else there. That's that's where they were. Like that's where they stayed at this one administrative building. It feels like one building is all built like around it. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

It looks like they have a McDonald's. that's wait seriously well it looks like i see a cowling cauloon city road sign next to mcdonald signs at least it or it's like real close okay yeah could be um the other thing to note again because the planes were flying into kytak airport uh this is like some crazy imagery that you're gonna pull up when you start going this but a lot of times the kids would just play on the rooftops if they weren't playing in the courtyard they'd be playing on the rooftops so there's pictures of kids on the rooftops it is it looks like it is just made for people to just die on because there's like TV antennas and wires crossing everywhere and then you'd see like a jumbo 747 like right

next to the kid playing it it's crazy the view the some of these first I saw I see it wow yeah uh individual units were pretty small I guess like I don't even have to say that um in aggregate the average that it totaled out to was the living space per resident came out to 40 square feet per person for context again just so we have a frame of reference the american correctional association mandates that minimum sale sizes for u.s. prisoners have to be 70 square feet so almost twice with these who are living in is that nuts and obviously the reason people would go here was money right there was a rent and so the average price of rent um adjusted for you know what the price was back then for where we are today, the inflation, whatever.

You know what I'm saying? Four and a half cents USD per month to rent the space. So that was a track. That was a draw. So obviously this kind of living situation attracts all kind of people. So prostitution, drug selling drug use, any kind of vice you could imagine, they were all kind of there and present here. And because of this opaque jurisdictional land that this place existed on, there wasn't

really law enforcement either. So what ended up happening is really the people that ran Calhoun City were the triad, which is a Hong Kong Chinese gang that I looked up and it's like they're active essentially everywhere, which is kind of crazy. But they were essentially the ones who were doing enforcement. Like some of it was like cutesy stuff. Like they would organize like people to like pick up trash on certain days and like they would do some sort of community stuff. But they were also the primary distributors of drugs, prostitutes. running opium dead so they weren't like in like in south america in like a jail recently where like the prisoners took over and they like had a zoo and like all this like and like people were like like

living there and they made it into like little town it was like run by them but it was like you know run by the gang but they like did like cute things like a zoo and also were like running drugs you know i mean yeah i guess leave people to their own devices they'll find they'll find cute ways to deal with stuff i guess even if they're also doing bad things exactly yeah so i so i looked at like how pretty much like any report you look at read about this thing just basically talks about the crime and the squalor that people lived in and there's like no diminishing that that is absolutely a factually just look at the thing you know exactly what you're getting into it's funny one of the one of the that mailman guy who talked about the giant rats he also

mentioned again like there was a mailman that would literally deliver mail every single day to every single tenant inside this insane maze of buildings and whatever all of these alleyways. One thing he mentioned was when you're in the thick of it, when you're in the middle of the alleys between like several buildings that are being connected, you lose all sense of like cardinal directions or where you are. Of course. Yeah. And so what he mentioned is that you don't base anything off your frame of reference on your eyes. You based on what you smell. He's like when I started smelling like the the fish ball smelling, I knew that that is Mr. So and so and he's on this block and so I need to take it right here

that's how you would get around that's yeah that makes sense if you don't you can't see anything yeah yeah yeah and so I listened to this one episode of a it's a YouTube channel that highlights Asian culture and cuisine it's called gold thread

and what they had was they actually bought a resident a former resident of Calhoun City who lived there in their 70s his name is Albert Ing and they long story short is like there's a new game that came out called stray it's basically about a stray cat

and the stray cat is caught in this underground dystopian universe and yes trying to the surface that's a video game that's it but what what it was based on is Calhoun City they did they did all the mappings on Calhoun City so they brought this guy on and was like hey can you play this game and tell us what it looks like and whether it's actually like you know

accurate to your interpretation of it and so in a way yeah yeah and so he did it and no long story short is that like 50, part of its accurate, part of it's not a big deal. But his biggest thing was that he would talk about the squalor and stuff, but he was also like, we had this like sense of togetherness, which like also I think like that's the draw for like a New York city is like the electricity of like being around people brings out more

in individuals. And I think that's what I've gotten out of it when I've been there. And so I think that's what he got of it too. He would mention that he was very happy with his life there. He lived there with his mom and his sister. But he also said, spoiler alert, this thing gets destroyed. Yeah, you've been saying, calling it, talking about it in past tense, so. There you go, yeah.

But he also mentioned that when he was demolished, he was like super happy that it was demolished. And it reminded me of, like, weirdly enough, which like says a lot more about me than anything else. Remind me of Ed Gein about how when that house, his mom's house was destroyed, how he was like, oh, well, just as well, like, it's like knowing that you're attached to something, but you can't let it go, but you know you probably should let it go. Like, that's kind of the vibe. Right. And once it's gone, you're like, good. Yeah.

I don't have to worry about that anymore. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. In addition to kind of like the commodity that people felt, there was also a ton of economic activity beyond just like brothels and stuff like that. The first five floors of any of the buildings were typically used for commerce or doing things. So people were making and selling food, things like fish balls, dim sum.

There was metal fabrication. welders operating. There was unlicensed dentists and doctors that had the practices there. Oh my God. I hate everything about an unlicensed dentist, but it's kidding you. What's funny is like they were,

most reports harp on how many unlicensed dentists were. Like nobody knows why there was such a huge volume of unlicensed dentists there. But like it wasn't like a couple. It seemed like there was a ton there. I don't know anything about health care in in Hong Kong or whatever, but in, you know, I just, I think my.

I think of a back alley dentist, I get afraid. Not good. Or strip mall dentist. Yeah. I don't know what's most of my strip mall dentist. Actually, I don't know a strip mall dentist. Good point. I shouldn't talk shit. I retract my statement, strip mall dentist. One story I read

had to do with the fact that the smell was just so, so horrible. So apparently what they would do is because people were so afraid of like food contamination because things were so dirty there is they would kill the animals like there on on site in front of their customers so the other part of that for example they're going to kill a pig in front of a bunch of people to show that this thing was alive and the food that I'm going to serve me is actually not spoiled is they would blow torch the flesh so all the

hair would just burn and singe off so the entire space just waffed with the smell sounds awful oh my god I mean that that's smart it's as clean as it's going to get because I killed right here but also that's gross and sounds like it would make the whole place smell disgusting burnt hair smells terrible but then also my smell kind of delicious because like doesn't isn't a burning pig delicious i'm sorry pigs they're smart animals taylor we can't keep eating these things um i know i do like bacon um no it's it's smart it does make sense in the grand scheme of like where they are um to do it this way but it just i just keep god it's just like we smell and like ever the site is just like so much um so in 1984 britain and china signed uh the sino british joint declaration in anticipation of the handover you mentioned earlier of the territory back to china which was scheduled to happen on 1997 it was about three years later so in 1987 in 1987 is when the governments of both countries announced that they had plans to demolish calum city

they were basically like Japan Chinese didn't want it and like in Britain couldn't regulate it so they're like yeah just like we'll just like sorry we let this happen on our watch and we handed this thing over to you and you don't want it and you can't handle it so let's just like both agree that we're going to split the cost demolishing this and part of splitting that cost was them providing compensations of the 20 350 million to people to leave their homes and go elsewhere which is good and most people did but but some of them had to be forcibly evicted. And demolition began in March of 1993. It concluded in April of 1994. In its place, Hong Kong put a park in, which is now known as the Calhoun-Walled City Park. What I mentioned earlier, that Yaman thing in the central courtyard that ended up becoming the old folks home,

that's still there. So that is the original one that was there from when the thing was built in 1847. even when it was a fort it had two cannons and back with there's pictures of when the city was actually like in its heyday and the cannons are like on the ground they're like kind of like covered with shit and they're restored they're restored and now the two original cannons that were meant to protect the original fort and this original building are there and have been restored so um yeah yeah and that's kind of where things are and i never heard of the city before i came across it

accidentally and was like, this is crazy. That is crazy. It sounds, I mean, it sounds really scary and like, I'm sure people died there, but like, man, they're lucky they didn't have a fire. They killed everyone, right? Like, did they have a couple of those? They did. They did have a fire there. And it was kind of in the earlier days before it's what you look, what you can see now. And so luckily, like, down a ton of people were hurt or killed. But the bigger concern was they were like, this thing was built by just people it could collapse under this weight and fall into Hong Kong and kill everybody there like there was a huge safety hazard there um so yeah it feels i don't know like like part of me was like man like if you got like a bunch of like

homeless people together like it gave them some resources and like go nuts i mean they would also like pop up like a calvin city and it would get something but I don't know. People probably shouldn't live that way, but it's good to know that they had an option in the middle of a civil war and like occupation. Yeah. I'm sure that people were upset to leave because they live forever. Like all our stuff is I'm really. Yeah. So we will definitely post pictures of this because it is, it is a site to behold. And for any JVDM fan, wait, JC.

J-CV-D. J-C-V-D fans. you um check out bloodsport it's did he really do that thing where he did the splits between those two trucks oh i don't know well so he does that he does that in all of his movies and he does that in bloodsport a lot um and i think that's why they they did that commercial that way but it's it's it's such a stupid movie like you watch it now as an adult and you're like this was the coolest thing i saw when i was like 11 years old and now i'm like what was wrong with me that's

really funny i love that that's cute um yeah that's crazy i feel like i'm maybe not I've seen pictures that before, but like, yeah, hearing about it is, it's nuts. That's cool that they built it and lived there kind of like self-sustained,

you know? The thing that kind of blew my mind was I was like, I was like, okay, I know that the U.S. was at war with Japan. I just totally, and I knew about Unit 731.

I just totally didn't equate the two. I know. There's like stuff that like I thought of doing that like, just all of the stuff that, happened in China during like before world war two um like the the rape of man king and those things um that i don't know enough about and i know and i want to know more about so i mean that's why i didn't want to go into the weeds on that because i was just like there's probably so many things like going back thousands of years that like i've you know i have

no context for so i know i'll go well i'll i'll look at it if you're a Japanese-slash-Chinese Lin-I-Sino-Japanese historian. Lindsay, yeah, like let us give us your take on it. Sounds crazy. Yeah, super cool. So yeah, that's my story, Taylor. Anything to discuss before we transition out? I got a lot of positive reinforcement because I posted that I

bought Gossip and watched it again, and people were excited. And I was talking to one of our friends on Instagram, and he sent me the YouTube video for the song at the end of Go Ship, that like metal song that happens at the end. Oh, yeah, yeah. And it's great. It's just like, it's very 2000 metal. I love it. I love it. Everybody has to go tees and like there's like a ball guy. He's like both kind of scary. You know, it's cute. It was when they were loading.

It's of the time. Yeah, it was they were loading the next batch of gold into the next ship. Yeah. And you see the guy and it's like, oh no, it's going to do it again. He's like kind of a demon, I think. I don't you say the fairy men? Is that what they call them? The fairy man? I don't know. I'm going to watch it again. I'll let you know.

I'll watch it a thousand more times. It's so good. Please. Please. Sweet. Yeah, I'm also looking for ideas. I feel like, sometimes I feel like, I have a thousand ideas. Sometimes I'm like, I don't have any.

And so if you have any ideas, please let us know. Please email us or message or us on Instagram. We'd love to hear from you. I had one last night in my head and then I lost it. And I'm so mad. I just can't remember what it was. I probably have. already thought of it again, but I like, I was like, yes.

And it was like, it's gone. I know. What I do is I will, I have a file and I just like write down like, where my idea pops in my head. There's some that like have come and gone because there's some that like I'll start looking into and like this is not more than like seven minutes of content. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Totally. And then I have like a bunch of plans. And yeah, all the things. But yeah. Right to us. at Doomedepilpot at gmail.com, find us on socials, tell your friends, grab their phones, subscribe them, force the notifications, and we will be- Leave us some reviews on Apple Podcasts.

That'd be awesome. We would love that. And yeah, so we will go ahead and cut this off now and rejoin you on Wednesday. Thanks, Taylor. Make another Bud Light for Wednesday. Got a Bud Light. Bye. Thank you.