Doomed to Fail - Ep 88 - Yachting in Hell: Skylar 'Scumbag' Deleon

Episode Date: February 27, 2024

uuuuugh. Cutie patooties Tom and Jackie Hawks were looking to sell their Yacht to spend more time with their family on land. When a gaggle of terrible people, led by former child actor Skylar Deleon decided to kill them in the most horrible way and steal their yacht, they aren't smart (but we're willing to bet that they thought they were) and got caught right away. Now so many lives are ruined.Welcome back to a classic doomed true crime episode! Pics via ABC news & AI.  Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

In a matter of the people of the state of California versus Orenthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. I am ready to. Taylor, we're having an epic conversation about the different kinds of pizza to order. Miles is offering toppings. He's got a little Italian chef in him. So, yeah, how's your night? Day, evening.

Good. Things are good. am i finally went to the doctor last week just because i haven't been in a long time and i got new insurance and so i'm going to do like blood work tomorrow at 745 a.m but i have to fast for 10 hours and i am acting like i'm going to starve to death i'm like very nervous and i'm going to be sleeping those 10 hours it's not even it's like not going to be a problem but i am like in my head i'm like i might start for today just so everybody's aware i did not know taylor was on a fast while i was trying to talk to her about my eats i'm not on right no no not it hasn't started yet okay good good um

so it'll start a little bit so i'm going to drink a diet cook first very very exciting wait what are you what are you getting done oh just like getting my blood tested because like remember how i had diabetes both my pregnancies oh yeah i just want to check on that to make sure that i don't actually have diabetes i should check that every once in a while so that makes sense makes sense makes can i start with a bit of like commentary yeah do you want to do an intro to the show oh yeah we're doomed to fail i'm far joined here by taylor we are a um podcast supported entirely by mostly taylor friends um so thank you all for helping us the people who like it they really like it so at least you know we have you guys and we love and appreciate you so here's my thing so

Taylor, one second. We really should all donate money to get as far as a light in his office because it is like hitched dark in there and like 7 p.m. I know we talked about it, but I don't think he really has the light. I'm not made of money. Okay. So here's my thing. I listen to a lot of those daily kind of podcast and like what's going on in the world.

And like several back to back we're talking about Ozmpic. Are you familiar with this thing? I'm a woman in America. Okay. I am not a doctor, but I don't think you can do anything to your body and not pay for it. Like, there is no miracle. Like, there is no, like, I'm just going to do a thing and it's going to solve all my problems. Like, I don't think it works that way.

I mean, it's a whole thing. Who knows? I don't know, like, the long-term effects. I feel like, I mean, obviously, like, I've known about it for a long time. And it's, I was reading something. actually think in the New York Times today about like when body positive people influencers get skinny and like how weird that is and like you know it hurts it hurts my feelings that the answer is if there is a quick miracle thing to get skinny people will do it

even the people who told me that they were proud to not be skinny yeah they're all those people are full of shit everybody wants to be hot and sexy I know human biology is not going to change because of what you tell people to think about people if you're i get it we all want to be hot i'm hot i know i know what it's like to be hot um but also people i mean you don't have it skinny doesn't equal hot people like different things we've talked about this before but um it does but but there are people who were made a living out of being you're really stepping in my joke here oh i'm sorry i just want to make everybody aware that we already all i'm saying is that don't

Don't inject shit into your body. Wait until round two. Like, wait until round two. Wait, like, five years for, like, half the population already did this to drop dead. Then inject yourself with whatever you want. But, like, at this stage, when it's, like, I was just listening to, like, the company that creates it, it's based on, like, Denmark or something, or Norway, after what. But it is now bigger than the entire Norwegian economy, the company that makes this,

one drug. It is bigger than the entire. It is like on track to be as big as an apple while playing on Apple, like an Amazon, so on and so like. Yeah, yeah. Because it's that big of a deal and that's how badly people want it. But like, wait until like the third class action lawsuit and then start injecting yourself with the drug. Like, yeah, that's fair. Guys, for anybody who like kind of heard my joke about like, I know what it's like to be hot, like. Oh, that was that was your joke? I'm not explaining my jokes anymore on this podcast. I just want to tell

everybody again that Fars is wearing a hoodie halfway unzipped with no short nerdyes. Drinking a tall boy beer. The definition of hotness. Okay, with that off my chest, let's

go ahead and dive right in. Taylor, I believe I'm going first today, right? Yeah. Okay. Sue, let me pull up my nudes and there we are. So I am going to have to take a quick breather in between when I start after I start this because the dogs are outside. I got to get them. But I will start off by saying that I'm going to go back to my bread and butter, which is murder. Yay. I've been hoping. I was

thinking about it. And I was like, let's just talk about murders. This one's like, it hits all cylinders. It is brutal. It is calculated. It is. Old people getting killed by young people horribly. And the people that did it are the most unsympathetic human beings on Earth. So we're going to touch on all of it. Also, I do want to call out, yes, this was a Dateline NBC episode. Yes, I did watch the Dateline NBC episode on this murder like 10 years ago. Yes, I remembered it when I don't know who I'm yelling at right now, you Taylor.

But like, still, I realize that this hasn't been covered very much. And I never hear about this in like true crime gore history. So that's why I'm covering it. So I am going to go get the dogs that are parking. Okay. Continuing with the podcast, Holden brand. So I am going to be covering the murder of Thomas and Jackie Hawks. Have you heard about this one?

Do you know the name? It does not sound familiar just from that. okay i bet you knowing you that in a few minutes you're gonna know what i'm talking about so thomas and his wife jacky they were an elderly couple and they were retired they owned a yacht in newport california thomas his background was a law enforcement officer as well as like an air force security guard and a firefighter and jacky was just like she just like supermarket to check out stuff until they married in 1985, which also

reminds me that, like, Taylor, there was a time in this country when you could just work as a firefighter and then retire and buy a yacht. Just saying, that used to be an option. But I also told my boat joke the other day and then someone

told it to me the next day because it's such a popular boat joke, but the two best days in a boat owner's life are the day they buy it and the day they sell it. It is about the status symbol and the fact that people know I have a yacht. It is not about the yachting part of it. Parking in your driveway. Exactly. So in November 2004, long story short, basically Thomas had kids from a prior

relationship. Therefore, Jackie had stepchildren. They were a really close family. The kids lived in Arizona. They were having babies. And basically, this couple was like, let's give up the yachting life and go do this. Because that's all they did. They basically decided to live on the yacht full time. They would post around in the Pacific Ocean off California. And that was their life, which sounds amazing. So in 2004, November 2004, they put the yacht up in an advertisement in Yachting World magazine.

And I wrote down quotes, which I'm positive. You have a subscription to, Taylor. I do. But the reason that we even have this, we're talking about a boat with people is because my neighbors have a boat and, like, parked on a mountain, and you're like, where the hell have I taken that boat? Salt and see. We already covered it.

You go back a few episodes. They're not going there. So they put this advertisement up in Yachting World magazine. They were going to sell it for $435,000. And at time, the ad was answered by a guy named John Julius Jacobson, Jr. So here's the thing that I know me you're going to answer an argument about. John, later on in his life, underwent a gentleman. under reassignment and became known

as Skylar de Leon and I want to respect people for their identities but I don't want to respect this guy because fuck him like if you when I tell you what this guy's done you'd be like fuck this piece of shit so I'm a little bit conflicted I will refer to him as Skylar or by John

but I don't respect him and I don't go fuck what his pronouns are yeah whatever whatever comes out well it's good because I wrote down Skylar for the rest of this So it's actually, like, I didn't even know what I'm saying. What are you?

But I will refer to Skyler as a E, because it's just confusing. Because at a time all this happened, Skylar was married, had a kid. Like, there was weirdly complicated to be, like, super peacey about this right now. So I'm just going to barrel ahead. So, like I said, Skyler was married to a woman named Jennifer Henderson, who at the time of this event was pregnant with his child. And around this time, they would have been about 24 years. old, give or take. Schuyler expressed interest to Thomas in buying this yacht via that yachting World magazine,

whatever the hell was called, and decided that he wanted to perform sea trials before he would seal the deal. Basically, like, take it out on the water. It's like a standard thing that you do when you sell boat. Jackie and Thomas, they were pretty suspicious. They were like, how does a 24-year-old kid have the resources to buy a $435,000 on a yacht? Like, it just sounded fishy. Fishing.

And the reality of it was that Skylar actually was a child actor. He was in a bunch of bit roles around Hollywood. He was in several roles for the Power Rangers, more from Power Rangers, like the live action one. And he also said that I made my money from child acting, but also I invested that money into real estate. so that was his his chick Skyler

seeing that they were suspicious at one of their next piece because this is not like a one time I'm going to show up and buy this thing he showed up a few times he showed up with his wife who was visibly pregnant and they also already had a daughter in addition to that in a stroller and basically like that was kind of the ruse they were like yeah I feel like that I would be like that works a lot

yeah yeah if anybody wants to rob me show up with your pregnant wife I'll give you the keys to my house um good to know for robbers out there and also Power Rangers don't talk about it.

Power Rangers is still on and it's pretty great. There's one that Miles just said I love it. Like we, there's one that we really like. Wait, the mighty more, like the one that we saw when we were kids?

Mm-hmm. It's like a new one. It's like, yeah, there's a new one. A new show. It's like, dino something. It's like they have like dinosaur powers and like it's really cute. There's like a cute

little like a gay couple that's like really normal and like having great time you know what I mean they don't make it weird it's like really progressive and super fun Taylor do you remember when we were kids and like the U.S. military was like feeding us propaganda through GI Joe's and we were like every boy would watch the guy Joe's like now if you see it in high and say like wait a minute like this is a hundred That's really weird. Super weird. So basically, at this point, the guy says I have the money.

Here's my wife. We're super successful, very young people. We want to steal this deal. All we need to do now is go on sea trials, to make sure of the seaworthiness of this craft and so on and so forth. So Skyler shows up on November 15th with two additional people. He shows up with a guy, so his wife's not there. He shows up with a guy named John Fitzgerald Kennedy, which despite that name, he did not dissent from American dynasty.

He was actually a rolling 60s crypt member, ex-convict with attempted murder charges on his record. He was also huge. I'm conflicted. Because I was like, that's ridiculous. But I'm also like a huge criminal named JSK is kind of funny. that is a little bit funny I will agree with you on that so that when you said

he was huge like that actually kind of makes me laugh but also that's dumb don't even make it don't do that it like kind of makes me sad because it like makes me think that like his mom was like you can be whoever you want to be we'll name you John Fitzgerald and then he turned out to be an absolute

fucking piece of shit yeah which is unfortunate for the mom I don't know if she made it but it's unfortunate yeah so would she told what she told, it's ridiculous, but she told this guy, Thomas,

that John is his accountant, and that's why he's present. In addition to that, he also brought a guy named Alonzo Manchin, M-A-N-M-A-T-R-M-A-N, something like that. M-A-B-C-H-E-N. M-A-N, yeah.

And he was like, okay, so it's going to be the three of us, plus you, Thomas, and your wife, Jackie, we're going to go on C-Troll together. So they set sail out of Newport Harbor, and they started on 4 p.m., and they start doing their sea trials, and at some point, throughout this experience, John Fitzgerald, JFK, let's call him JFK. Easier. JFK and Skyler lured Thomas down to the state room while Jackie were made on deck with Alonzo. It is noted that Thomas was like, Jack.

Like, when you look at pictures of this guy, you're like, holy shit. like yeah he looks great he's like all he's probably he was probably on ozambic like he was ripped like see i bring it all the way back fundamentally i mean ozabic just makes you not eat the comedy keeps going didn't i say we're a comedy podcast yeah you didn't i mean i laugh but everyone laughs nobody else said um story of my life jf k and skylur bring thomas down to the state room and beat the shit out of him and use a stun gun to incapacitate him while Alonzo on the main deck was restraining Jackie. They then brought Jackie down to the stateroom and handcuffed their arms and duct tape their mouths and their eyes shut. For about two hours

give or take, they were basically just sailing trying to figure out what to do next. And they're pretty close to the shores of Catalina Island, but still like in deep water. And the three men brought both of them up to the deck they removed the tape from their eyes and they asked them to sign several things. They asked them to sign a bill of sale for the yacht, a power of attorney, and to write down

their passwords for their bank accounts. After the group, after this, the group tied a rope around their waist and the other side of it was connected to a 66 pound anchor and Skyler through the anchor overboard. Oh my God.

How horrible is that? That's like That's one of the most terrifying things I can imagine. I actually thought about this a lot. I think that the way to go, Taylor, at first I was like, okay, so what I'll do is I'll try to swim down to the anchor, grab it and see if I can swim upholding it over my head. But obviously you can't, right? Like, there's probably no physical way to do that. So probably your best bet is just like inhale immediately, right?

Yeah. There's really another choice. Yeah, fair enough. If listeners, if you have any suggestions on how to survive being thrown overboard with an anchor, please write to us at Dumafelpot at gmail.com. Yeah, do you know. So about a week later, friends and family hadn't heard from them. But like at that time, it wasn't that weird to not hear from them

because it would take these long sailing trips. They'd come back and do whatever. But after a week or so, it passed and they already knew that they were going to have this meeting where they're going to meet this guy to seal this deal. And nobody had heard about what was going on. They thought it was a little bit weird. And they decided to go, some of their friends, this guy named Carter Ford went to the boat, decided to look around.

And he realized he looked around and was like, this whole thing is like crazy sloppy like shits everywhere that's not how these guys live that's not how they kept their their property and they also noticed there was a towel hanging out of the porthole on one side i have no idea what that means other than maybe at some point they were free enough to like try to flag someone down i don't know but while they were under like in the bottom of the boat yeah when they were the state room um but otherwise there was no sign of the hawk so the police were notified when the police came on board they did notice that there was a receipt in the trash can that had like duct tape and um rope and maybe like murderer kit stuff basically

beyond that they didn't see anything else that was super super alarming one of them left the business card uh in the state room saying hey if you're the new owner contact us to asap eventually jennifer scholar's wife would call saying that she was a new owner but the police were not super satisfied with their responses with her responses because they said that she was acting very unusual very abrupt it almost sounded like somebody else was speaking into the microphone like trying to feed her answers so two weeks later um thomas's son slash jacky stepson uh followed the missing person's report and shortly thereafter were notified that on november 26 skiler which is somebody that nobody had ever heard of before in their entire lives and these

people were like the hawks were not crazy people they heard that skyler had access their bank account utilizing a power of attorney which is like you would assume anybody you'd love and know would know that exactly exactly literally just your kids that's it so police locate skyller and jennifer they're in long beach and they went this is incredible they were in long at the time i didn't write this down but i'm going to tell you they were cleaning they volunteered to clean a church on Sundays like that was their thing they would like

volunteer to do church stuff like apparently Jennifer was raised super religious which like goes back showed like don't raise your kids really like you're creating you're creating sociopaths

so that's where they were found that's where they were picked up they weren't actually under arrest of that time that's where they picked them up to question them and their story was pretty standard they were like hey I bought the thing

I bought the yacht fair and square last I saw the hawks they got in a car they caught in their car and they were hanging down to Mexico. I don't know anything else. I also just remember that like, this is not the only Power Ranger that killed someone. Another person did too. Or someone in the Power Rangers.

The Red Power Ranger, also Ricardo Medina actually got up. He killed someone in 2015. He was a Red Power Ranger for a while. Dude, what is it with that show? Get your kids away. Get him to stop watching that. You're right. Not wrong.

it's like the omen it's like it's like when everybody that's so it's like if i got cast i mean i'd probably get cast as damien because i'm kind of cute like that but if i got cast as damien in the omen i probably wouldn't do it because it's like everybody just dies when you know oh my god i love you you pushing a mom off of like a balcony but you're like a huge man i'm dating when i want to be like on a tricycle like knocking your knocking the mom over my knees keep handing my face so on the bill of sale the witness listed was this Alonzo Manchin guy

so police were very easily able to figure out who was a part of what How would they put their real names on it? I mean they were trying to make it legal like that's how stupid this guy was he was trying to make this incredibly criminal activity as legal as he could make it it was funny I was listening to last podcast

on the left and they were talking about um charles banson and about how when he came out of prison after being a kid and he decided that the way that he was going to try and go straight and not be a criminal was to go into bars and tell people that hey um my buddies were outside with shotguns they're going to break in here and shoot and kill everybody if you don't give me all your cash and they were like their joke was like yeah even when he's trying to go straight his only thought of how to do that is to crime his way into it oh my god just like exactly what this was so yeah on The bill of sale, the Sky Lazo-Banchion, which is like the other perpetrator, is there.

In addition of that, on December 16th, police actually found the Hawks car in Mexico, and somebody had it. Somebody was said, was told, they told the police that they were given the car by a person that fits Skyler's description, which if you look Skylar up, is the opposite of Thomas, which is like an incredibly tall jacked dude. So, right. No, totally. And like, no one.

giving you a car that's suspicious i hate to say but it's me it's like parts of iran it's somebody just gave you a car you like yeah just blood in the back whatever hose it down and you're yeah that probably buttoned the back yeah exactly so the other part of it that police tracked down was that this bill of sale was actually notarized which is absolutely incredible what police did was a trace down this notary republic which shows just how absolutely crooked and not trust where the notary republics are they found that this notary republic was asked to sign and notarize this document this bill of sale in a hotel room and was given two thousand dollars for

for trouble so it was it was obvious like something was like come on if someone yeah it's like seven dollars like if someone's like here's two like obviously like hands and swim with like a glove on covered in blood for real and the whole point is it just to prove that the people are there. Like, that's your job. You're literally only your job. I did, I had to get my own birth certificate for him to go to school. And I didn't have it.

So I had to get a, a notarized copy, blah, blah, blah. But I did an online notary and it was great. They just like, did if we did a video call, I showed her my license and she did it and have to go anywhere. Well, this person's obviously lying because you're not supposed to, like, their job is to prove things are real and obviously wasn't real because the people weren't there. Duh. Right, right.

Yeah. So, so basically, all the dots were kind of connecting. Police still weren't ready to make a final arrest. Eventually, Alonzo was the first one to crack because police were like, like, you realize what you did, what we think you did,

is probably one of the worst murders we've ever heard of. Like, you're getting the electric chair, like, no matter what. It reminds me of the prisoner's dilemma. Yeah, of course. I think, I thought, I think that the,

the, the, the, the, I was talking to my husband about it, and I was like, yeah, the answer is you always should tell on your friends because they're going to tell on you. Isn't that the answer? One was like, it's more complicated than that. I was like, I don't know. I feel like that's the answer. Like, you got to be the first guy to crack or you're all going to die. Yeah, if it was me, Taylor, if you and I committed a crime together, before the crime was done being committed, I'd just drive to the police station and say you did it. Okay, well, you're off my list of people to commit crimes with. You were on my list, but they're off. then we have a commit crime post at some point yeah okay plan crimes so

playing crimes can make crimes it was great um so this lonso guy folds like like an origami duck like he told what a fucking what a way to ruin your life what a dumb way to ruin your life there's so many of those there's so many of those like idiots like so he immediately tells police everything that's going on because he like believes

the whole death penalty thing which he should which I'll get to in a moment he wait what state are they being tried in or are they in Mexico? California okay

yeah and he was the one that told police that Skyler again if you look at him he's like maybe a buck 30 soaking wet like you could like snap him like a wet towel he's the one that told

Skyler that they're going to need a bigger guy because this guy's too big to try and take them on their own. And that's what resulted in them finding JFK, lucky for that guy. So, police charge them and basically everybody is found guilty, but I'm going to go through that case by case because this, this goes like a layer, like many layers deeper. So at this point, police had already used, had already pulled all this evidence together using bank records, you can use cell phone records, all this stuff. And they found some coincidences. One of the coincidences was that in 2003, so a year before all this went down,

a guy named John Harvey went missing. He was actually imprisoned at the same time and at the same place that Skyler was in prison for an unrelated robbery. And John had gotten released before Skyler. Timing wise, police could track Skyler's movements from when this guy went missing and discovered that Skyler got got out of that robbery charge and then apparently met up with John and somehow convinced him to go down to Mexico with him for a business venture.

John didn't return, but somehow Skyler, who had just gone out of jail, had withdrawn $50,000 out of John's account. So like something was going right.

That is so, okay. This is incredible. So in addition to all this, before he was arrested, Skyler had told his father what he had done to the Hawks. So between his arrest and conviction, he had hired another inmate who was pretty close to his release date

to kill his father after he gets out. So police only figured this out because they flipped this inmate's cell and they found all this material about the Hawks' death, about where Skylar's father lives, like all this shit. Oh my God.

Which also made me think to myself, like, how funny would it be? to find like a legal document like a legal contract in jail saying this person has agreed to pay this person this dollar figure to commit this murder like how do you enforce this stuff oh my god that is ridiculous i've never so the other amazing thing that happened in addition of this because skyler clearly is not a fast learner he also hires another inmate to kill his cousin who had helped him kill John Harvey. And the way police found this out was that there was a map being passed around the

cell unit of this cousin's house in its layout. And everybody was like, yeah, he tried us to kill him. That was basically it. This is like very on brand from like, you know, our early days where we're like, you don't, nobody's a criminal mastermind. These criminals are all idiots. Yeah. Yeah. This, and that's why I was like, I was like, I'm not honoring with this guy. Like, fuck this guy. Like, he sounds, he's, he's the worst type of human.

Yeah. So, unsurprisingly, Jennifer was sentenced to two life sentences without a possibility of parole. Skyler was found guilty of three murders. So that's Jackie Thomas and this guy, John. And he was sentenced to death. My favorite part reading this case was his lawyer. didn't even argue that he didn't do it. And like when I was doing death penalty defense work, I was on the appeal side. So like you were already been convicted of doing the crime. So then we're just appealing whether the death sentence

was the appropriate punishment for you. In this case, they're like, they're looking at and it's like there's no way to flip this into you. You absolutely this. And what's amazing is you went through all this effort to make it look legal by getting you a note of republic, which is all evidence that traced back to him. It's unreal.

Then we have JFK. He was also found guilty of two counts of first three murder. He was also sentenced to death. So him and Skyler are in Pelican Bay together. I would love to know how, like, after knowing each other for like at this point, it'll be 20 years. One day, Scholar's like, I'm transitioning today. And it's like, we're on death row. Like, what are you talking about?

Alonzo, because he cooperated, he ended up getting only, I guess, 20 years and four months. He was convicted in a voluntary manslaughter, so he got a lighter sentence. A guy named Myron Gardner, he became aware of the plot, and he was the one that referred to Skylar to JFK saying, you need a better guy. Like, can you imagine that? I was like, hey, Taylor, listen, I'm going to kill this out with a couple. the guy's too strong for me like what do I what are I doing like

listen I've been racked my brain thinking about this far as I think that you need a bigger guy to go with you and I know the guy Right Come on people Oh my God That guy who referred Kennedy or JFK to Skylar

He was found to be an accessory to the crime He served four years for his role Which I think is pretty like Because like what a fucking Sumbag of a human being to like Hear this and be like I'm going to try and help you let me do something what do you what do you need yeah like what do you do that guy's gonna

caught a prison after four years and be like a brain doctor like it's no like he's clearly messed up so yeah um that's it that's the horrible horrible horrible horrible sad tragic death of the hawks their corpses have never been recovered they're i shouldn't have said corpses their bodies have never been found yeah um and they never got because i'm wearing my my future Corp shirt? Is that why you... I did not see that. Man, they looked so happy. Yeah. How about they were?

They seemed like a really happy couple. I mean, that would have been at that point married for 19, 20 years. And a lot of that, the highlight of it was spending years on this yacht sailing around the Pacific Ocean and I had a great goddamn time. Yeah. So, yeah, it's awful. People like this should just be shot in the back of the head. like we should just like carps you should just find them and bash our head against the wall yeah I mean I don't get it what was the plan it was like let's run a bunch of lives you know if you were like I get it I'd be like we

got to stop the podcast no right that's good it's good that I don't get it so that's my fun story for today I hope the audience enjoyed me going back to a more traditional format, a more traditional topic for me. And, yeah, if you have any comments that are positive, please write to us. If they're negative, please do not. Yeah, that's my story. I love it. Thank you.

I have a couple listener mails. Lindsay sent us, wait, do you get our emails? You don't. For some reason, I don't think I do. We tried forward it, but whatever, we can try again. But Lindsay sent us a voice memo about the history of Asia, so I will send it just. to you. We can answer a question. So I'll send that to you. And I will report back on that as well. Wait, how long, how long is that? It's like five minutes.

Bless you. I feel like the history of Asia will take five minutes more than five minutes. But well, I didn't listen to it again and pull stuff from it. But thank you, Lindsay. You're the best. And And also, I had dinner with my friend Ben last night, and it was super fun, and he's, he listens, and he is the one who is a pilot, and he gave me some other airplane disasters to potentially talk about in the future. And I was like, oh, my God. So, super fun. I would love to do that. Yes. I was like, what I'm hearing is that, um, that I, like, every time that something bad happens, they learn from it, but also like, bad stuff happens all the time. So. We're just knocking out. the bad stuff from happening, but unfortunately, it's an infinite soup to pull from. Yeah, exactly.

But that was super, super fun, and it's fun to have someone who really likes the show. Thanks, Ben. And Lindsay. Sweet. Okay. Well, we'll go ahead and cut things off. Again, please find us on Doom to Fell Pod at gmail.com. Write to us. We love hearing feedback or follow us on the socials and write to us there. Give us a review on Apple, please. Yes, please.

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