Doomed to Fail - Re-Release: Cut it out, do literally anything else - Climbing Mt. Everest

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

Imagine you have a lot of money and months of free time, so you decide to climb the highest mountain we've got. That's good for you, but if you die there, you stay there, and recently, there's a line to the top. In this re-release, we'll discuss the first time, tragic times, and the sherpas who keep the whole thing going. Aren't they the heroes? Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

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I just, when you took a break for two seconds, I've been on Instagram and here's a picture of murder she wrote. And it says she could find Kate Middleton, Angel Lance Graham, murder she wrote. This is what I'm talking about business stuff on this is. Also, happy St. Patrick's Day. We didn't say that they had to each other. Oh, yeah. Happy St. Patrick's Day. It'll pass by them. We're going to a bar. My daughter's friend's dad is in a band. And it's

going to be a cute like dad band. And we're going to go watch them play. So it's going to be sweet. I think that the kids are going to like it. Yeah. Get yourself a Guinness or several guineas and have a good time. I'm going to have so many guineas. Oh, God, I also have other bad news about me if you want to hear it. Let's hear it. I officially have prediabetes. So I have to like talk to my doctor and start eating no carbs again and potentially getting on insulin. and I'm bummed. Well, it's pre-diabetes, so you don't have to do insulin yet, right? Not yet, but, like, I could to, like, try to, like, get it under control. I have to talk to the doctor still, but it's just, like, because I had diabetes when I was

pregnant, so it was, like, kind of bound to happen, you know? So I've just been... Aren't all those weight loss drugs? Weren't they designed for diabetes? Yes. So I'm also wondering why I should just take Ozmpic and weigh 120 pounds again. But I don't I don't think I should do that.

I mean, if it controls your diabetes in front of being diabetic, then yeah, for sure you should do that. Yeah, we'll see what happens. We'll see what they say.

But yeah, it's been a rough week. Man, getting older is great, isn't it? Fucking sucks. Yes. It sucks.

But anyhow, I'm going to get into my topic. Should we do a guessing game? Yeah, that's it. It is based on a geographic formation that was created through the process which you have covered. An island. And has killed hundreds of people. An island with a monster on it.

A tsunami. Is it a tsunami? It's an island with a monster on it. You got it. No, I am going to be covering Mount Everest. Oh, fun. But I'm going to cover it in like an interesting way because I think Mount Everest has been done to death and it's like kind of boring to talk about at this point.

But I'm going to cover it in three parts, guys. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to cover the history of climbing Everest. I'm going to cover what it is like to climb Everest today. And I'm going to discuss what you all really hear for, which is kind of the disaster stories about climbing Everest. That's it. Let's kind of wrap this up. So let's get into the history of Everest itself.

So obviously we all know Mount Everest is the tallest mountain in the world. It sits at just over 29,000 feet, which is somewhere around 5.5 miles above sea level. One fun fact I discovered, which is good to know, is it's actually not the tallest mountain if you measure it from its base. So the tallest mountain in the world measured from its base, you were kind of close to. It's actually in Hawaii. It's called Mona Tia. and it's 30,600 feet. So about like 1,600 feet taller than Mount Everest,

but that's if you measure it from the base, and the base is 17,000 feet underwater. Oh, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. Well, isn't the base of everything underwater it? I mean, if you go that far into the logic of it, then yes. Then technically, if you measure Mount Everest from where the Mariana trenches, then it is very tall. what about that part of the earth that's hollow where the monsters live where all the monsters are and where i don't know so so for context uh that height 29,000 feet for Everest that's only 6,000 feet short of how high a Boeing 737 flies it's pretty it's pretty tall yeah um it runs through the border between Nepal and Tibet slash China kind of depends on how you feel about Tibetan autonomy um but that's kind of geographically where it's located

locally it's been named so basically it didn't really have a agreed upon naming convention in the local communities that surround it and it wasn't until 1865 that we actually started calling it Mount Everest the reason we called the Mount Everest was that the Brits had this chief surveyor

who was responsible of kind of surveying the entire globe and then the new chief surveyor decided to name this mountain after the former chief surveyor. And that guy's name was Sir George Everest. So they called him Mount Everest. That's what we call on Everest. That is dumb.

I didn't know that. To his credit, so George Everest was actually alive when this happened. He died like five years after this. To his credit, he actually was like, no, don't need this thing after me. First off, it doesn't translate into anything meaningful to the local communities. And also in the local Hindi language that the Nepalese speak, you can't really say that easy. and so he was like just call it something different but like we're just going to go with not Everest so well good for him for acknowledging that yeah yeah um so climbing Everest uh was a fascination since its discovery obviously in many ways doing so was essentially a suicide mission for anyone who's been to Denver as an example Denver's one mile above sea level so with Mexico City by the way but when you're in Denver yeah when you're in Denver you have 83 percent of the breathable air you would find at sea level so you have a 17 percent diminish

auction level auction concentration at one mile up for context i have a stupid joke that i saw on the internet because i just thought through that and i was like well yeah mexico doesn't use miles so like why would they even say that but there was a joke that i heard where some guy said my wife she just left me for being un-american i saw it coming from a kilometer away that is a good one i might reuse that one um so Denver 83% breathable air uh Everest obviously a lot higher you get 33% of air you get a sea level so that causes a lot of problems obviously not being able to breathe is a really tough issue but it also causes a hypoxia oxygen starvation of the brain it causes edema's in the lungs there's like so many ways you can die on Everest that it is that's just one of them

the other fun one is I didn't know this but apparently if you go high enough into the air you hit what's called the jet stream which I think I've heard through meteorology reports for I'm sorry we talked about it with the volcanoes as well because part of the problem

is when the volcano ash has the jet stream that's when it goes over the whole world goes everywhere yeah so they've recorded winds in the jet stream on the peak of Everest at 175 miles per hour and then after that

the weather up there is somewhere around negative 30 degrees Fahrenheit because it's bad It is really bad. I hate it. I hate everything about it. Those are all things I hate. Yeah.

Yeah. So, regardless of that, people keep trying to climb it. So let's get into the first documented version of this. That happened in 1953. So this was done by a New Zealander named Sir Edmund Hillary and a Nepalese Sherpa named Tenzing Norgay. It was around 11.30 a.m. that they summited Mount Everest. I think it's very romantic to think like. these two guys just like we're hanging out and tent together and do this. That's not how this works.

Like this is like teams of people that come together to kind of help make this happen. I have a dumb question. Sure. I don't even if I want to ask it. Like I guess how do you know that you're at the top? Like aren't there like other is it just like so super clear that it's at the top? Because I feel like when I climb mountains here sometimes like obviously like they're not that tall but they can go up a mountain and you're like, oh, there's one taller right there or like whatever. Like I guess do they go on like a prescribed path? So they created the path that is now the prescribed path.

There's a North and South Face, and that's why we have North Face as a brand now. But that's most possible that. Oh, that's fun. But I try to remember the exact name of this thing, but it was called the, the British did a thing called the Great Chief Survey or Great Survey. I forgot what it was exactly. But basically, there was this massive project that the British. British, the Britain took on to essentially survey all the major geographical territories under

the kingdom. And actually, yeah, it was kind of under the kingdom because it was partially India as well. And they basically were able to, from a distance, figure out how tall Mount Everest was that essentially, like where the peak was and how that peak was the tallest place on Earth. And so that happened many, many years earlier. It was like 1850s or something that we actually learned that it was the tallest spot on Earth. But that's how they knew this is the peak.

You know, like, we did the measurements. That's the tallest spot. Go to that spot, basically. So, yes, they were the first ones to technically step on the mountain face. I will say, like, at first I had like these weird colonial thoughts about Edmund Hillary. And then the more you learn about him, the more you learn about him, the more you're like, this guy was kind of an awesome dude. like he was i know it's so interesting because

like it gave him the opportunity to do what he was wanted to do right yeah um wait what year are we in again 1953 wow yeah how long it was in how long it was

I thought it was like 1850 yeah I know but but there is some theories that it was actually summited 29 years earlier so oh i forgot to mention this but apparently the date that this happened was like a few days before queen elizabeth was going to be going to go through her coronation and become queen and this news got to her like right before she was about to go through her coronation so that

the first thing he did as at her coronation was announced that the UK has summited mount Everest so it was like a big hoopty hoopla but there is a theory that 29 years earlier in 1924, the peak had actually been summited, but it was not documented. So that year, there was a team that included two guys named George Mallory and Andrew Irvine, and the team attempted its summit twice before a third attempt was made. Those two times it failed because in one situation, one of the climbers, the lining of his throat peeled off because of the cold, and he was choking on his own throat. shoot I hate that that's the worst thing I've ever heard

and the other one went completely blind for three days from snow blindness so that's why those two failed but Mallory and Irvine decided to attempt a third attempt on this expedition and on this attempt they were somewhere in the 26,000 foot range which is called the death zone and that's when the weather picked up they decided to camp overnight before trying it again in the morning and they never made it back so we don't know what actually happened. But what we do know is that in 1999, 1999, so what is that? 75 years after they die, George Mallory's body was found at 26,700 feet. And it's weird. His body, he had a puncture wound in his skull. His right foot was completely shattered and

his leg was broke. Would they assume happen was he was trying to come back down. And so he was doing a controlled slide down the side of the mountain with his ice pick behind him kind of serving as like a break essentially from him going all the way down too quick and what they think happened was that he probably skipped that thing on a rock going kind of fast and it bounced up and he hit himself in the head puncturing his head with this thing and then he slid all the way down and broke his leg broke everything and the neurological theory on what happened was that he was probably dead before he even finished going all the way down mountain, essentially.

My mom yesterday just told me a crazy story. Her brother owns a boat in Florida, and they were boating through, like, a place that had low-hanging trees with a friend, and a friend got a stick from a tree through his head on the boat, like not through like an already available hole, like just like through his skull. And my uncle had to take him to the hospital, obviously, and he ended up staying with him for like several months because he had like rehabilitated, but he didn't die. So he almost gave himself a lobotomy, essentially. Yeah.

Isn't that crazy? It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, I guess your skull's soft than you would think. So, yes, 1989 is when they found this guy's body. And some people reach the conclusion that based on some of the evidence from his body that he must have been the first one to summit Mount Everest, the reason was that he was found with no oxygen. He was not wearing his, his goggles. So it means he was coming down at night.

And also, well, the reason he also didn't have oxygen because when you're coming down, you're trying to offload. as much as possible so you can get down as quickly as possible. And so the auction tanks way of shitload. And that's why you want to get rid of him. But he also had carried a picture of his wife, Ruth, for the entire trip. Because his goal was, when I get to the summit, I want to put the picture of my wife on the summit. And everybody knew this.

They all talked about it. It was a known thing. He did not have the picture with him. So he must have already done it. Yeah. Yeah. But it was undocumented. So the other guy, Irvine, his body's never been found.

then he's the one who actually had the cameras on him that would have showed that they actually summoned it. They haven't found his body yet, so they don't know. And so as of now, it's still Norgay and Hillary who's summoned it first. You got to write it down. Like, if you do anything, you're about to die, like write in a note and put it in several parts of your body. Yeah.

Well, he was probably suffering from hypoxia. So he probably didn't know what was going on by the time he died. So let's get to Climbing Evers today. So climbing average today kind of sounds more annoying than anything. There are no guides or tour companies that conduct these expectations. Wait, there are no guides or tour companies. I don't know why I wrote that. There's a million guides in touring companies that do these expeditions.

And the pricing is kind of all over the map. So the average I found was somewhere around $50,000 to pay to try to summit Everest. You're not, you're, somebody is not guaranteed. a lot of people don't but I saw a range of somewhere in the $30,000 range I saw one that was $200,000 to do this expedition

the $200,000 one selling more like a luxury vacation than like a harrowing track. That company is called Furtt Furttbock Adventures so if anybody wants to book a $200,000 expedition Everest then you can do it for through the Furttnbach Adventures

they're not paid sponsors of this podcast did you imagine because we know that your listeners are the kind of folks who's been $200,000 to climb whatever so if you listen to this and you have done that please let us know because we'd love to know how you found a podcast and can you write us a check so there's a way to do it cheaper on your own so basically go without an expedition I'm going to tell you why you shouldn't do sign up for that option later on which it should be clear I know why yeah but in that situation you can expect

pay somewhere on $20,000. Most of that seems to be, like, in fees that you pay to the Nepalese government. So $11,000 is just for the permit to be able to get to base camp in Climb Everest. Anyways, all of that to say that you are then also going to run an additional cost of $25,000 or so on food and gear, so you can actually climb up to the mountain. Some places tack on additional $5,000 for a private cook. And apparently most places advise that you do this because, was like you spend so much time on the hiking that trying to make food is kind of impossible after you're done.

How does a cook do it then? Well, that's all they do, though. Because like you're not assembling. They don't hike. No, they don't hike. They don't assemble and disassemble tents. Like, I'm going to explain like what the actual process is of getting up to creating tents. Like, it is arduous doing it.

And so you have somebody who's dedicated to sit inside a tent chopping cauliflower. I don't know what they do, but cooking something. so just chopping collie flowers on my address no big deal all day long so all you do is just chop cauliflower so the trek itself uh includes walking for about six to eight hours a day in negative 30 degree weather for about two weeks straight so timing wise you have to acclimate to reduce oxygen so you can't just run up the mountain like you can do it a lot faster if you didn't have to acclimate but you have to acclimate right so you have to stop in these different checkpoints or what's called base camps to give your time, give your body time to adjust.

Are those permanent? So base camp, there's two base camps that are semi permanent. So they're transitory. So people, like, if you look at pictures of base camp in Everest, it's not like one tent. It's like, it's like a refugee camp of people. And they pack their stuff up and they go. And then other people show up. And so it's like a, it's like a transitory thing.

there's not like a permanent station there but it's just like where our base cam happens to be it's about 17,000 feet up yeah so that was the other part of this I want to mention was in addition to walking and climbing you're also constantly assembling and disassembling a tent nearly every day that you're not using the time to acclimate to the complete journey takes about six weeks long it starts in a nepoly city called luckla when you land at this airport called the tensing hillary airport which is absolutely it's considered one of the most dangerous airports in the world it is car so edmund hillary is the one responsible we're building this thing it's carved into the side of the mountain and an elevation of nearly 10,000 feet if you look at pictures of it you'll see that if anything goes wrong during takeoff all you do is go straight down for two miles until you like explode into the side of the mountain but it's terrifying um from that airport you go to base camp like I said base camp is going to be 17,000 feet. And from there, you spend about the next four weeks or so going up and down the mountain,

putting down new camps, putting provisions and food and auction tanks there and doing all that stuff further and further up. But you go up and down? No, you just go there's going out. Yeah, you're going up. So you start a base camp, you go up, you stop at a certain elevation. You establish a new base camp. Then you go up, establish another base camp.

You go up, establish another base camp. And then you get to like kind of like the depth zone in. But what it sounds like when you're in the death, so you kind of have to go all the way to the top, and then you have to get back down to sub-26,000 feet. And that's usually where people end up dying. But yeah, it's like a four-week-long process of doing this. If you decide that you want to climb Everest,

you're going to basically join a group of somewhere around 8,800 people who are also trying to summit the mountain every year. Those are people trying to summit. Those are the craziest of the crazy people. There's about 500 people a day that show up at base camp just to hike. Basically, they're trying to go 17,000. feet it's already arduous enough they're going to go back down so that's usually what you're looking at yeah um there are currently about 330 bodies on everest and they're going to stay there because

trying to reclaim these bodies is another suicide mission so we're going to get into one of the fun gory stories that persist around it so i'm going to break this down into several things one i'm going to break down to like famous deaths on everest one i'm going to break down to uh most deaths in a single day, and then the last is going to be like the particularly creepiest story I heard about what happened on Everest before. So some more famous tests. There are three of them

that I'm going to highlight. I'm going to do the previous one of the last. So green boots. This is someone that everybody's heard of green boots. If you, I'm trying to, I'll try and paint a visual picture of this. It's a guy laying on his side, his legs are elevated,

and it looks like his head and lower body or upper body are kind of like angled downward in this little crevasse area so we don't know who this is we assume yeah we assume that this guy is someone named oh man swung peli darch door it's totally nailed it but but we don't we don't know for sure the reason we think it might be this guy is that we know that swang was in a 1996 disaster on everest that's when a blizzard rolled in and killed eight people and nobody's been able to possibly identify this body. How can that be?

Have they not tried? Like, how can that be? I don't know if they've tried or not. Yeah, we don't know. How can you have a picture of this dead body as close as I'm seeing this picture of this dead body and not have like checked his pockets? Yeah, I don't know. That's a good point.

I don't know. Well, I'll describe the last story. Maybe that'll explain why people don't do this. long story short is that the quote I heard is that trying to keep yourself alive on Everest at trying to summit is an extreme challenge

trying to think about anything else going on around you is almost impossible because all your focus is trying to stay alive so but there have been some efforts there so for example sorry going back to who this guy is the reason they assume it's this guy is because there was um there was he was spotted late may so the blizzard hit like may 9th late

may was the first time somebody was trying to summit and they spotted this body there and they're like the only thing that's happened has been this blizzard so it's got to be this guy this is the one one the white guy signing counter for there's other theories that he's another person as well but that that was like disproven so it feels like you were to say something um no that that was my the question was like they must have a list of people he could be

because people are an icon for right right exactly exactly so in 2014 his body was basically just like kicked over

and relocated to fall down the side of it they're like they're trying to keep these dead bodies out of view of climbers and they just like

rolled them away they're like just do the middle effort possible get this thing out of the way and they did that there's another person there named sleeping beauty that's her nickname her real name is francis arsentiov she died in may of 1998 while attempting the summit uh the summit everest with her husband on their way down the two somehow separated i keep picturing just like crazy snowfall and like

you're just going blind from like snow hitting you from every angle while you're freezing and that's probably how you end up getting separated but she was separated from her husband her husband's name is sergey and sergey made it to base camp um his wife, Francis, did not. Another team of climbers came across Francis and they tried to carry her down before they were like, this is too much, this is too difficult, we have to leave you.

That's how it is. It's so do or die up there, it sounds like. Wow, so she's just laying there in her coat. Yeah, yeah. So they left her on the mountain and witnesses say that her husband was ascending past them as they were going down to base camp,

presumably to go find his wife. She ended up staying alive for about another day before dying of exposure, frostbite, hypoxia, all of it. A year later, Sergei's body was discovered having died from a fall trying to climb to get to Francis. She was left there. So there's pictures of her. Have you seen this? I'm looking at a picture of her and her purple coat just laying there. Yeah.

Yeah, that's it. She was left laying on her side for about nine years before, again, again, Then another group of climbers just push her off the side because they were like, this is, we need to stop. We don't want to look at this anymore, basically. Wait, so the first climbers that tried to bring her down, was she still alive or no? She was still alive. Yeah.

Oh, no. Yeah. But they were like, it's too much. Yeah. So, I mean, you're carrying oxygen tanks. No, I know. I know, but this is terrible. Yeah.

Yeah. So the creepiest one to be is don't look rough yet. I want to get your reaction when you look her up. Her name is the German woman. Well, her nickname is a German woman. Her real name is Anilor Schmatz. And this one's like the previous to me, mostly because of what she looks like.

So, scary. So she was a German woman. She downed Everest, obviously. She grew tired from the climb. And basically, the Sherpa is word telling her, we can't stop. We have, there's windows of time that you're supposed to make it between camps. Like, it's all planned out so that you're not out in the

open when the weather and the winds become the worst. And she was like, I need to stop and rest. The Sherpa was like, please don't, please don't, please don't. She did it anyways. The Sherpa did his credit, saved with her long enough to where he actually suffered from frostbite and lost some fingers as a result of this. But her last words where the Sherpa left was just asking him for water. She said water, water, and then she died.

That was on October 2nd of 1979. She died sitting up and her body froze basically in that posture. on the southern route up the mountain so pictures of her she has this like a mummified face it looks really scary yeah look her up now oh a lot of these are tell me i shouldn't look at it view image oh god is that creepy they have not oh my god her face looks like the most terrifying face i've ever seen in my whole entire fucking life so what they were saying was before her body decomposed and her flesh kind of turned, whatever that is.

Oh my God. They said that her eyes were wide open. So you be so scary. It's so freaking scary. Dude, this is on like the main trail. Like this is not like she's not like hidden. Like she was on you're walking by these

bodies as you're going up to the summit. It's like crazy. I am literally right now having nightmares and I'm not even asleep. But the way, but it's We can describe the way she looks. So she's leaning against a backpack in that picture. And yeah, the last, the last time they saw her, she was like wide open.

Her eyes were wide open and she was just like frozen in time, like right there. And then obviously you see what you see now, which is her face just fucking peeling off. Oh my God. Well, that was worse than I ever could have imagined. Apparently if her body is also not there anymore, but that wasn't because people moved her. I think that people were too scared to move her. I read so many reports of people coming up to her body being like, this has to be like a tent or something. Like, oh my God, that's a woman.

That is the scariest thing to see on a hike. That is the scary. Yeah, you turn around. If you see that on a hike, just turn around. But apparently the winds are pretty harsh there. And so her body ended up getting hit by some wind and just tumbling the other direction. So she's still in the mountain. She's still somewhere like that same body and that exact same posture, frozen exactly like that, is somewhere on that mountain.

are there any animals there no right so there are not at the elevation that she would be at but lower down the mountain under base camp there are like yaks and stuff like that they found um one species a black spider that was able to survive like above base camp but that's it like that's all there is like i don't know how that thing eats so um on the deadliest expedition this would be an avalanche that occurred in 2015. So this is pretty straightforward. It was April 25th, 2015. A 7.8 magnitude earthquake hit Nepal was fucking huge. And that triggered a massive avalanche on Everest. The avalanche essentially killed 24 people and injured 61 others. So like, again, most of those people, their bodies are still on the, like they're all there. Like everybody's still there.

So the creepiest story, in my opinion, was actually a guy named David Sharp. And you're probably going to recognize this one because this happened fairly recently in May of 2006 and it got like a ton of media attention. So this was a Brit trying to summit Everest and he tried doing so before. He tried in 2003 and failed to summit in that endeavor. He eventually suffered some frostby that led to him losing some toes in 2003. He tried again in 2004. But for reasons that like feel like stupid to me, he was really anti-using supplementary oxygen. His take on it was, if you use supplementary oxygen, then it's just a hike. But it's not a challenge if you don't.

But it's like, but your brain doesn't, your brain doesn't know that. Your organs don't know that. Your organs just know that they're not getting oxygen. So he tried again. So in 2006, he decided to do it unguided. So he went without a Sherpa, without a guy, without an expedition party that he was joining. And on that attempt, he got to about 20. 28,000 feet, which is exactly where green boots is.

And he sat down in that crevasse next to him. It just like was shaking and just like sitting there like unable to continue on. It is assumed that due to the lack of oxygen because of the lack of having the submental tanks with him, it's assumed that he suffered from altitude sickness, which can result in swelling in the brain, fluid building up in the lungs, confusion, like a general hangover feeling. and add to that the fact that it was also the coldest night of the season that night

and others around him mostly assumed that he wasn't going to make it. So about 30 to 40 people walked right by David as he was like dying on this hill next to this provost next to Green Roots and they didn't help. Nobody helped him. The media in general was pretty hard on them but like I said, one climber said that

that at 8,000 meters high it's incredibly hard to keep yourself alive much less keep somebody else alive and so nobody it's like it sucks because like it's not their responsibility that he's an idiot yeah yeah and and you know one thing i read well two things one is edmund hillary himself was incredibly critical by hiking community saying summiting isn't as important as saving someone's life which i would agree with um but then his own mom also they're putting themselves at risk yeah they putting themselves a risk and his own mom was like

I don't blame them for not helping him but it's also worth noting that the general theory now is that he probably would have died anyways so what probably would have happened is the lack of oxygen would have already damaged his organs in his brain what probably would have happened if they gave him auction was A they would have risked their own lives

and B you probably would have just gotten to basing him and died anyways that's probably what would have happened because he was like so hurt yeah exactly So that's really due as far as that guy's concerned. But, yeah, people are still climbing. People are still going up to Everest.

Apparently, it's not even considered the most intense hike out there out of the large what's called the 8Kers, which is 8,000 meter and up mountains. K2 is presumably more difficult and more challenging as a mountain climber to actually get up on top of. But, yeah, people are still doing it. People are still dying on it. And I assume they're going to keep doing it. it does feel so much less scary to me than trying to go down to like the mariana trench or the titanic or something yeah i mean like did you watch the deepest breath new it's it's like documentary about people who do like

deep diving without air and they dive so deep that scuba divers can't save them because scuba divers have to like go up slowly um and they do like one deep breath and they dive all the way down and then they're like remember they didn't go up and people die all the time and it's terrible also a sport i don't need to be a part of I know, I don't remember to do that. I was also so, I know people who didn't die. So I thought I told you this before. This is so stupid. But I, when I was painting my guest bathroom, I watched two Mount Everest movies.

I remember I think about Mount Everest. But I watched, like, the dramatization and the documentary. Do you remember that guy in the 90s who had to grow a nose on his forehead? Yeah, yeah. That guy, I remember when he was on the cover of people with, like, his black nose that was, like, rotting off from frostbite. And they grew him a nose on his forehead and twisted it down. I remember that. Yeah.

You remember? Yeah, you're right. It was, they cut it here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that was like a thing. Yeah, man, it's very dangerous.

And it's such a weird rich person's sport, right? Does anyone, who are these people? So a lot of them, yeah. So there's a lot of people who fall in the category of, like, physicians and lawyers and business people. There's a lot of engineers to get into this stuff like this. The 2015 Avalanche killed like a pretty well-known engineer. He was an executive at Google in charge of like their X program.

I don't even know if that's still around. But so, so it's that, it's that caliber of person, right? It's like you have to be rich to get into this. It's like there's no poor people into a polo or like yachting, right? like yeah but i guess it's like i mean how much money does nepal make from it yeah yeah i mean look like the sherpa's like yeah like yeah like i mean it is a it is a huge industry there um and so it's probably like a net positive overall for them despite the they have to look at dead bodies constantly but um are they like are they like

it's something about are they all the same are the sherpa's all like from the same group of people like have are they able to handle the high altitude better than everyone else you know like people not from that area like they're from there so they're like used to it so that helps them i'm sure yeah so part of reading about david's situation was they mentioned how what he was trying to do would have been a challenge for even a shirpa so they rank it that way it's like a shirpa just like is easy breezy my life is on this mountain whatever um but yeah so they're they're much more acclimated to it. Yeah.

I mean, their airport starts at 10,000 feet. Oh, what's the name of the airport again? I'm going to Google it. Tenzing Hillary Airport. Yeah, like, at first, at first I was like, when I started, like, thinking about this, I was like, God, these people are idiots and, like, Hillary's probably terrible and all that. Then the more I research was like, okay, like. Yeah.

I mean, it is like legitimately risking your life. Questionable why you would. I wouldn't for this. but you know to your point don't yuck someone's yums i guess yeah i mean if they're not hurting anyone but themselves you know it's cool if they do it and but i just the the the leaving the the dead bodies there is is is really hard to to like i don't know wrap your head around yeah like how like none of my hobbies

involve walking past the people who tried to do it before and died yeah you know like that just is a lot and it's when you see that you're like what is wrong with you but also like who cares

yeah if they want to do it and it's the same thing I mean like bringing up the Titanic situation like yeah you're just going down to see a grave where the body just happened to have been consumed by the elements but like that's that's what you're doing

like so i watched this like when i was watching all those disaster movies and i was thinking about yellowstone exploding there was one where the i can't remember which one it was but where like the people were on these like big arcs that they had like to go to to like try to stay alive like the rich people around them because they knew the world was ending and the world was ending and it was shifting so quickly that they were like on a boat and the boat was going to hit mount everest and it was just like really dumb but if they were like how could we how could there be a mountain this high and they're like it's not everest and it was like a big flood and like a thing that was 2012 yeah yes okay okay um yeah that was so stupid

oh the earth was like oh because then there was like that russian and then like his like girlfriend and then yeah and then like the people who you're supposed to think are the like the main characters of that movie like do something that makes a bunch of people die right about that part and then it's okay yeah yeah anyway yeah but like where does where does the water come from like how do you get enough water to fill about Everest like it makes no sense like we have we have a lot of very serious questions about the truth behind the movie 2012 it's good though that's so funny that's so funny yeah um sweet that's my story hope people like it i'm looking for some fun

cool ideas um so anybody has a cool idea for me I will take cool ideas yeah what kind of ideas do you want more murder stuff but I'm like kind of getting gassed out on murder

because there's only so many crazy people in the world and so many ways you can say and then he cut her head off you know yeah so I think there's one that someone sent to us on Instagram let me make sure I send it to you in our messages that would be a fun one sweet um well write to us please doom to fillpott at gmail.com give us your ideas your

suggestions anything you're thinking about or want to be want us be thinking about and by time you hear this Taylor will be on her way to see the incredible dan carlin oh my goodness I am just wildly excited. So I will keep everyone posted. And if you're coming, I can't wait to see you. Love it. Love it. Awesome. Thanks, Taylor. We'll go ahead and cut this off.