Doomed to Fail - Re-Release: Lucy Letby - Who would harm a baby?

Episode Date: February 15, 2026

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In a matter of the people of the state of California versus Ornthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Sweet. And we are back on Wednesday to discuss a true crime, doomed to fail relationship. Taylor, how are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. Are you still drinking your cayenne chocolate milkshake pepper? No, no, I'm just really just drinking this.

coffee i drink my ice coffee and my smoothies out of cocktail shakers because it makes me feel fancy it is fancy but that is a very retro thing and you are a very retro person so it all kind of adds up thank you welcome i hope you're going to go get an espresso marty later today i don't even know i'm getting one in this town make your own i guess i but i need vodka and espresso i don't know i don't know what mortis are made of i really don't know what vermouth i know vermouth goes at a martini. So, um, in an espresso martini. You can't do that. You go. I'll look it up. I'll report back of the end of this. Sweet. Um, so I'm going to go ahead and start my topic. And I actually similar to Taylor's topic earlier this week, have like a bit of a

educational component to mine because I like to educate and entertain. We are education and after all. And I want to start with the logic of what, how I land up. on the topic that I'm going to be discussing today and then discussing it and then everybody applauding it and saying how great it is and reviewing it five stars on podcast. Are you. So I'm going to start putting out the disclaimer that I have not seen Barbie yet. And it's not for any specific reason whatsoever. It's just at this point, everybody that I would want to see that movie with has already seen it.

And so I was like, dude, like you can't go into the Barbie movie, like looking the way look. It's like going to Chuck E. Cheese alone. It just will look weird and like I don't belong there and I'm very susceptible to that kind of judgment. Do you mean looking like a super young 25 year old? Yeah, a super young 25 year old. Like a new vile, fresh face, funny-tailed. Like you do. Yes, I do. But I did the next best thing to watching the Barbie movie, which was go on Wikipedia and read the entire plotline of the movie. Love it. I do that sometimes as well.

And I basically, I deduce that it ends with this like matriarchical versus patriarchal kind of issue, discussion, debate around how we structure society. So, because I'm a true feminist, I decided to focus my research this week on female true crime subjects on the interest of balancing the equities amongst the genders. because ladies and gentlemen, men are not the only ones who are absolute fucking monsters. For anybody who has seen Barbie, I can, Fares is talking to me from his office where there's a, like a bull skull behind him, and he very much lives in a Mojo Dojo Casa house, if that is something that makes sense to you. What's Mojo Dojo? That's an Apo.

You're insulting me on my birthday. Ken turns Barbies, you're right, I'm sorry. Ken turns Barbie's dream house into a Mojo Dojo Casa house, which is like a house. I was just like pictures of horses all over it. Like they're like, I'm not looking for to say dojo and Kasa and house that he's like, it's a house, I can do whatever I want. Like, okay, okay. So we like convert it's like Ted Turner at some point in the movie and I just put Montana rainstall.

He's like, there's like saloon doors. I feel like you'd get some of the doors. Got it. Got it. So I've seen this screenshot before and now you're helping me place that. Thank you. So, yes, we're going to be discussing, well, one in particular, but there's several others I'm also going to bring up during this conversation. So I'm also going to do something kind of unique. And wait a now, I just rambled on about that, ignore this part. But the main point is that I'm going to focus my research, or I did focus my research of all these stories on a very common thread, which is the concept of infanticide.

Great. Joy to the... So... You are a true feminist, for us. A true feminist. Hey, it's like, it's like being pro-choice, except maybe like a little bit past being pro-choice. Okay, go ahead. So we're going to go into the history of infanticide, reasons why people commit it, and then cover several cases of it. Although, just by doing some cursory research, it is clear that infanticide is like way more common than it should have been.

I'm going to be talking about four cases, one primary case of it, and then three others, just like as an aside just to show how this works out. But there's so many. There's so many cases. It is crazy how common it is for people to kill babies, which is like not great. Also, I'm going to start off by saying I'm not a scientist. Good. Yeah. So. I'm glad that, no, that's good. That's for the best. So as I research, because to your point, with like everything you research, it's like there's people who've dedicated their entire lives, like every variation in infanticide from the beginning of human society, based on different cultures, based on political geopolitics. It is a big topic. And I'm going to just kind of blow through it. And also, I'm going to actually categorize it in a way that they don't. because I think I'm smarter than them. So I'm going to have my own structure of how I'm going to discuss this.

Great. Great. Continue to mansplain this to the scientists. So I'm going to, I'm going to do a sorting of infanticide. I'll start by just saying that infant, is it, babies okay? Yeah, yeah, no. I'm just, I was trying to see if I have my sweatshirt that says on Wednesdays, we smash the patriarchy, but I don't have it in this room with me, but I was going

put it on it's Sunday it doesn't work it's a mean girls joke continue okay so if it's not obvious infanticide is the intentional killing of an infant not necessarily yours it's just a killing of an infant obviously because humans are awful the killing of babies has been a thing since we've had humans and we've had babies yep this is where the non-scientist part of me is going to share my hot take on this and in some cases i'm going to say that it kind of makes sense to me. I'm not saying it's good or that I condone it. But for example, in like the 1200s when you were living in feudal England and you were farming the land and eating your shoe leather to survive and you had a child born with a bunch of

deformities and you don't even have enough resource to cover the existing family, then you're like, oh, well, it was not in common to kill that baby to preserve resources because it would never grow up to be like productive on a farm situation. I'm not saying it's good. I don't love killing babies. I get the I get it okay yeah similarly on the resource constraint justification for this twins or triplets were not like a blessing back in the day there was like it was those were like oh shit moments like a terrifying surprise a horrible horrible surprise because you're like whoa so i got to deal with all the resource issues i already had times two or three like it was awful my aunt kathy had twins in like

like 1975 and they didn't know that they were twins. That's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah. So that was another situation where when in the old days, if you had more than one child born at the same time, you just killed one of them or you killed all but one of them basically. So getting I'm on a pivot real quick. I'm laughing. I'm laughing to stop myself from screaming. So I just continue. No, it's fine. Can't go ahead. If someone's like, I can't think they're laughing at this. Like you're not, you don't get it. If you need a scream, if you need a scream, you'd scream.

So, again, being a non-scientist, the two classifications of half of this are understandable versus non-understandable. So we just covered the understandable version of this. I'm going to go into a non-understandable version of this. So fun fact, Native Americans would often kill their infants who were born of a mixed race or mixed ancestry. So for example, if it was like two tribes and like they interbred, they would kill one that was not like this is this sort of blows you away. Again, humans have always been like this.

Like humans have always been like this. It doesn't matter what race, what that, none of that matters. Then there's the case of sex selective infanticide, which we discussed in the Surrender Coley episode, which obviously it's like, you know, when. I found this really interesting. I went into the China one one child policy thing. And there's a huge difference in China in the number of boys, the number of girls. And the reason is this because they instituted this one child policy.

And so they would just, if they had a daughter, they would just kill the kid over and over and over and over again until they got a boy. And now, and now you're like, you have a lopsided gender balance. And I was like, somebody who did this had to have known that this would be the outcome. I don't know the culture, but I would assume that it's common enough to where now you have this law-sided gender issue.

So they had to have known something when they wrote this law. Now they changed it to a child, so hopefully that's less of a thing. Then there's the craziest version of infanticide, which is the killing of someone else's child for basically no reason whatsoever. Those are bad. We don't like those at all. I like this. Yes. These are some strong stances that I think make a lot of sense. I'm a scientist, damn it.

So. It has to do with science, but like, continue. I don't know. I don't know either. I just say things. So this was in the news as of last week, the constant infanticide due to the case of Lucy Lettby. Is this out familiar? Is she a nurse? Yes. They're all done. We're going to start with her as the main anchor story for today's topic.

So Lucy was born in the UK in January of 1990. So she's young. She's 33 years old. Like you can look her up. She looks like a regular 33 year old. Lucy had wanted to be a nurse all of her life. And specifically she wanted to be a neonatal nurse. The reason being that she wanted this specific type of job is that apparently her birth

was super difficult. And her parents and her herself credit her being alive to the nurses that were there when her mom gave birth and kind of brought her back to life and was able to be a normal, healthy, healthy baby as she grew up. So she goes to school to become registered nurse and begins working in the neonatal unit of a hospital in 2012. Apparently the neonatal unit or NICU at a hospital isn't uniformly of the same intensity. Did you know this, Taylor? I didn't know this. No, what do you mean? You can finish that sentence, though. So there's, so just because you're in the NICU, just because being a baby in the NICU or being a nurse in the NICU doesn't mean that you're dealing

with like consistently the same pattern of issues like they break it down into separate levels I felt like intensive care is intensive care but that's not the case of babies with babies in the UK so the US has four levels the UK has three levels level one babies these are ones that they need more care than a normal baby but are otherwise stable so like maybe like you're like a two week preemie or you don't know me like you're not that bad of shape on average the average nuku nurse can handle four of these like per shift so they look they have an easier time with these kids level two babies in the nikyu these need advanced life support to maintain their stability

nicku nurses are limited to two babies per shift they can only handle two then you're the most intense these are level three where these are like super mature babies, they require constant monitoring, constant supervision. That is a one-to-one thing. And that's how the NICU kind of breaks down. Okay. So being assigned to level three is kind of a show of confidence in a nurse saying, we think that you can handle the worst or the worst, the worst, the worst. We're putting all of our confidence you to do it, right? Right. In 2015, Lucy was assigned to start working on level three babies. She had mentioned before that she needed the rush.

The level three was like the hardest of the hard cases. It did something to her. She didn't want boring cases. She wanted the most intense shit going on around her. That same year, Lucy was responsible for taking care of a baby boy, who was basically stable. And by all accounts, mostly, okay, like shouldn't have just died unsuspectingly. Lucy was working the night shift at that time.

And so the day nurse told Lucy about what her observations were. what to expect, basically just a full synopsis debrief of where this kid's at and what to look out for. 26 minutes later, after Lucy takes over, she calls in a doctor as the baby health starts rapidly deteriorating, and this baby that was mostly stable just dies out of the blue. The day nurse, when she found out about this the next day, was completely shocked because she was, because, you know, look, like, I did enough nurses to understand. like you you did a sense of like okay like this is where this is going to end like it's such to say like sometimes they're like yeah we know that this person is probably going to die or we know

that this person is pretty stable like there's a consistent thing that they totally get and this nurse was shocked that this kid was dead because nothing would have indicated to where this would happen the doctor who attended to the baby noticed some blue and white motling on the baby which i didn't know what motling meant so i looked at what motling meant motling means you're that weird skin complexion some people get where like their skin looks like super white in spots but then super dark in other spots and usually seems like super pale people the most part. So that's what it is. And what that shows is there's a disruption in blood flow to the vessels that are underneath

the skin. Something happened where that that blood vessel stopped producing enough oxygen going to the skin. So we're going to refer to this baby as child. A, which is how reports about this incident and the trial itself classified all of them. So all of the babies are classified from child A to child Q. We are not discussing child T.S. T.S.

Q. Yes. We are not discussing all of those. We're going to go as far. I think I got as far as P. Yeah, I think I got as far as P. Because some of them she was not convicted of, but that they are still investigating. So.

Oh, my God. Well, that's how we refer to these kids now. because obviously nobody wants them to be public. Child A had a twin sister we're going to call Child B. Oh no. A little after a day from Child A's death, Child B also died. After the first death, the parents spent every moment they could with Child B.

Like they were so be grieved. They were beneath them besides themselves. And so they were like, we gotta spend every second we have with this kid. This one was fine and it just died out of the blue. So we gotta do something to make sure we get as much time with this one as possible. the nurses at this hospital were like, guys, you really got to go home and rest. Like you're, you've been here too long. And so they tell them to go rest.

Lucy was the nurse that was responsible for child B. During a designated feeding time where Lucy had custody of the baby, this one suddenly died without warning. Again, no indication why I would die. Because poor parents, the saddest thing I've ever heard. This story is, this is, you look at her picture and you, read what she did, it gets so much worse. I'm going to continue. So in the case of child B, when they autopsy the baby,

they realized the child for sure had been injected with air. There was like, I don't know how they know, but there's something about like your blood vessels change or whatever, and that's how they realized this kid had been injected with air. And I didn't actually know what air in your blood vessels does, but it's like super bad for you. Right, that's why they like do that thing. Yeah. You know what I mean?

No. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. To like a shock. The air bubble out. Yeah. So I looked this up. So an air bubble in your veins can cause heart attack, stroke, brain damage. It can kill you in several different ways. And if it doesn't kill you, it'll horribly debilitate you. Because imagine, like, what it can do is go into your heart, block a vessel, so that by the time you're able to unlogge it, you've lost blood motion or whatever oxygenation to your heart. to your organs and so your brain dead.

So it didn't even matter that they got out of your system anyways. So that's what they discovered had happened with a child bee. Days after child B dies, child C dies as well. This one was not under Lucy's care, but she was literally witnessed standing over the child when he coded. Coding means like he goes like, beep, beep, beep, it does that. She was standing over the kid when it coded. Days later, child D dies from when an autopsy were revealed was air injected into our bloodstream. Again, the autopsy pieces, like, that is the parent saying, yes, cut my child's open.

That's why, like, some have autopsies and some don't, because at this point, they don't know to suspect anything wrong. And so they have to ask the, you want us to cut your baby open. Like, someone were like, no, justifiably, right? Yeah. So the suspicious deaths stopped for about a month until early August of 2015. when a mother came in to check on her baby, Child E, and saw that he was bleeding from the mouth. And then he died later that day.

Child E's twin brother, Child F, suffered a sudden drop in blood pressure with a horribly elevated heart rate later that day. Tesswood revealed that he had extremely high quantities of insulin in this system, which was something that was not even a prescription. There was no reason why he should have any insulin artificially injected into his body, and he did. that's what caused us that happened that one actually survived that baby survived is he okay does he have like problems that one's okay this one's not so in september so a month

after what she did to child f happened the nurses were celebrating the hundredth day of life for child g so again we're in the level three unit these people are excited when these kids make it right so it was a hundred days after this kid should have been dead so this was a three-month This is a three and a half month preemie. So I don't know much about babies, but I assume that's pretty bad. Three and a half months sounds like it's pretty bad, right? Yeah. Yeah.

So they were celebrating this kid's life. So the nurses had made banners for him and there was cake and they were trying to celebrate this baby's life with the parents and his recovery and all that stuff. Shortly after, the baby's health monitor goes critical and doctors revived her. This started 15 minutes after Lucy had started feeding her. They didn't know what Lucy did to this baby, but Later on at trial, the expert testimony was that she had apparently force fed this baby so much milked down her feeding to try and kill it. And her body just couldn't handle it.

They ascertained this because the distance of her projectile vomiting was so profound, given how smaller body was, given that she was a three-month preemie. Then they were like, the only way this could have happened was because of some mechanical thing. Like you try to stuff way too much water in a balloon and just like first. Like that's what was going on with this kid. That's what she was trying to do with. It's terrible. It's horrible. It's horrible. That child survived, but was disabled.

I don't know exactly why force feeding a baby would disable it. I didn't, the details didn't weren't provide it for that. But it was noted that this child was disabled as a result of this. Yeah, I mean, they're, I mean like the, when you first. have a baby, they tell you the baby's stomach is like the size of a walnut, barely, you know? Yeah. Like it's very small. So like it would, it would potentially like, I think with anyone, you like, people die from like drinking too much water, you know, like that's like a thing. But like I think that it probably my guess being someone who's had a baby is that expanded

their stomach to like it couldn't handle it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the baby survived. It's just, it was just like horribly disabled. So I would assume that means that maybe the stomach burst and she has to use some sort of a bag or I don't know it's awful whatever it is it's awful so that was child G child I died in October this is like month month month month notice I start with August August September now we're in child I in October Lucy was seen hanging around this child's incubator and another nurse says that Lucy told her that baby looked pale even though they were standing in the doorway of the nursery and the nursery lights were off like it was a creepy thing to be like notice how that baby looks pale it's like what are you talking about like we can't even see

the kid and one story short was that that baby also ends up dying and lucy is the one who so this was noted by the mother so that child dies they don't know what happened to it apparently when a child dies in this situation the nurse will like bathe the child and then like you know give the parents time with it before it's off to whatever and so Lucy was noted as bathing this child while she was like smiling and like she looked like she was like having a good time but she was enjoying this she also asked the mom if she wanted her to take dead pictures of her with her dead baby like it was like a weird thing that stood out to the mom and stood out to other nurses that were kind of on station there the autopsy for this one revealed that the injuries were consistent with

having been injected with air so that's early October In late October, management of the hospital started growing concerns. And it was during this period that they noticed that Lucy was always on duty when terrible things happened to these kids. Doctors wanted management to take action, but we're apparently told not to make a fuss about this because it would make us all look bad to make the hospital look bad. We're having so many times. Ever you hear these stories about doctors messing up? Same with priests. It's like, let's move them to a different hospital or different church or whatever.

We don't want to get in trouble. Taylor, you were 100. You're 100% stepping on this. So that was that was October. These doctors kept asking for more meetings with management to be like, guys, like we got to do something. We got to do something. Nothing happened until April. So in April of 2016, that is when Lucy was moved to the day shift.

And then, well and behold, nobody's, babies dies. No babies die the night shift. Ugh. So days after. after she has moved into the day shift, Child M and his twin brother, Child El's vital, suddenly crash and they had to be revived. One was presumed to have been injected with insulin, and the other was presumed to have been injected with air. A month later, in May, another emergency meeting was called by doctors of the management to discuss all these suspicious

death, and apparently nothing came out of that conversation either. Then in June, again, a month later, Lucy seems to have escalated her method of killing or trying to kill. This was intense. This is like, where she's like, fucking ballistic. This is when she physically starts attacking babies. Like, I mean, she was physically attacking them anyways, but this is more like blunt force trauma attacking the child. So I was like, I wrote, I was like, dude, what an insane thing to like write down and then read into a microphone. That's when she starts physically attacking the babies.

Oh my God. So Child N suffered trauma to his throat. Nurses just heard him screaming. And when they rush and they notice swelling in his throat and blood, spluttered around the mouth the assumption being that she'd put her arm her form on this baby's neck and just kind of held it there but they don't know they don't know for sure what happened with this kid it's just like he suffered bad bad injuries to his throat on june 23rd and june 24th this is the final attempts that we know of occurred these were a set of triplets two of which were killed out of

there was three that two were killed child oh one of the triplets child oh his vital dropped and it was recommended by a junior nurse to Lucy who was a senior nurse on staff to move the child to a more intensive part of the of the unit and Lucy disagreed surely there after the child dies an autopsy of this child would reveal evidence of air being injected into his body in liver damage that was reported to be consistent with what you would see in a car crash oh my god so she did something to this kid beyond just like like like blood force trauma to i don't know how much is a newborn weight are they like eight pounds like what do you yeah no do this to like a crazy and this where like the escalation really picked up 13 minutes later

after this child is dead lucy is feeding child p which is the other triplet when he also goes critical and a doctor's examination revealed that his diaphragm was shattered And this baby died. Before this baby died, doctors had requested an ambulance to take him to a different hospital because presumably they had some facility there that was better than the hospital he was currently in. When the hospital arrived, child peeve was already dead. The parents begged the management of the hospital to let them take their surviving triplet to this other hospital. And they did.

And this is where, like, this is part like my hair stand up. This is when everybody looked around. It was like, oh, fuck. Like this, this chick's nuts. Like, this, like, these babies had injuries consistent with, like, a car crash. Right. And they die within 13 minutes. Like, this is what, this is when, like, everybody was like, we can't just pretend this isn't happening anymore.

So. I don't know. Cameras and, like, the nursery were issue with them. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if, I mean, it should be cameras. Yeah, that's a good question. I don't know. She would also do a lot of things where she would falsify records.

So for example, she would do, she would change like feeding times to times when she wasn't on shift or she would change the name of the nurse that was during feeding. She would try to do things like obfuscate her involvement. They were like, but there were witnesses. So people were like, yeah, that was Lucy. Like, you know, the one consistent thing was it was always Lucy was there. So. Still. let her own babies yeah yeah and in this situation with these triplets that was kind of the final

straw where everybody looks around and looks at lucy and they're like oh shit we have a huge problem here at this point it almost felt like she wasn't even really trying to cover it up because again these two in particular were violent deaths like they they like she fucked these kids up like which a horrible way to put it but she really damaged them badly physically so this was different than the other ones a lot of times it would crash and then they'll be revived. There was no reviving these kids. Their bodies were destroyed. And so this is where things kind of stepped up. And it would be three weeks after the deaths of these triplets that she was formally removed from the hospital. And then all the deaths stopped. For context, I look this up. That hospital had two baby deaths

in the preceding five years before Lucy. Like this volume of deaths was like, like way outside the dorm. So it would take about a year after Lucy was discharged when she was arrested. She was arrested in July of 2018. She was originally arrested on eight counts of murder, six attempted murder. But as the investigation dragged on, the charges kept bracken up. She ended up somewhere around seven charges of murder and 15 of attempted murder. Her trial began in October of 2022 and she pled not guilty.

During the trial, it was revealed that people, who worked at the hospital had suspected Lucy pretty early on and argued management to have her removed the obvious reason why everyone suspected Lucy like i mentioned before was that on every one of these 25 suspicious incidents of a child dying or almost dying lucy was there and when she wasn't there nothing happened which is like a pretty big obvious so obvious again when you're in the hospital like you trust that the nurse is not going to kill your fucking baby that's the point that's that's where like suck the worst reading about was like the story of like the triplet parents because they were like the parents were like this isn't normal like we're not doctors but this is

not normal both two of our kids had no issues they died give us the other one we don't care that it needs support right now we have to take it out of this hospital you guys are killing our kids like it's crazy yeah oh my god so on august 18th of this year Lucy, so like literally a week ago. I can't believe it happened. I think it saw it on the news, yeah. She was found guilty of seven counts of murder and seven counts of attempted murder. There's actually additional cases because she worked at another hospital before this where

there's a large number of child deaths. So they're like looking at those cases too to see like where she might have fit in there as well. She ended up getting what's called a whole life term, which is life without opportunity for parole. And she is the fourth woman in the history of the UK to receive that sentence alongside Myra Henley, Rosemary West, and Joanna Denahey. It's crazy. Crazy. Crazy. The list of baddies. Horrible, horrible. So motive-wise, several things have been positive. One was that she was really

infatuated with this one doctor who was also, it was a married doctor who worked at the hospital, and he was on the unit, was regularly the one that was called in when a child went critical, and this was like her way of trying to be around him or whatever. Another one was, there was a written note that detectives found that basically talked about how he was how jealous Lucy was that she would never she was how I'm never going to be able to get married I never to have my own family and have my own kids so there's like a jealousy thing of like fuck these people for having I don't know like it's hard to nail down like I think that sometimes people are just fucked in the head and there's no fixing them and I think Lucy kind of fits into that category

yeah what do you think she did it because she could like power I don't know yeah you know because she like because I mean it sounds like so violent though but why would she go in and be like I was saved by a nickey nurse and but I and then like maybe feeling like she could never save a baby or maybe did she want to save a baby at any time that was one thing too they found what yeah one thing they found too was that um that she wrote that she's not good enough and she doesn't deserve to be like in charge of these kids and it was like a weird it was a weird she was right she's not good enough like she's not good enough like she's not nailed that part.

But I feel like sometimes people like, I don't know, I have no, I can't think of an example, but like in the hospitals, they'll like make someone sick and then make them better, you know, and then be like, oh, I saved this person. They were like dying, but like they're the ones who did it. So but it doesn't sound like she ever had any intention of saving them. No, she couldn't. She couldn't because like what she would do to them would require like doctors and surgery. Like it was like drastic medical intervention.

So yeah, she seems like a fucking crazy bitch. that's what she kind of sounds like what a crazy bitch i don't i don't understand like i just obviously thank you for me i would never heard baby but um the idea of like punching a baby you know what i'm whatever was researching this was like your computer is for sure being fucking tracked like for sure being tracking i was looking up like dead babies question mark like like the worst shit like this so what was wild about this was that as what as i researched this and you just link out from one one case the next case the next case there's so many that came up like it was such a common thing and here's like three that came up

immediately another one was beverly alid the reason this one came up was that that it was this presumed that lucy looked at understood beverly alice's case because her murder methods were the same she would inject air and then inject insulin and so this was also a british nurse but she was convicted of killing four infants like only only like you know what lucy did where like now they're thinking that it could be as high as 23 that she killed or tried to kill like it's but in with lucy's case it happened in like a year and a half that was so fast so like geoffrey dammer took like 10 years to build up a 12 body count like this was like every other day hours one was 13 minutes from one to the next it was crazy that is crazy like i feel like

killing adults doesn't happen that fast no no and then there was another person in japan so this was Mia Miyuki Ishikawa, she was a midwife who was convicted of killing five babies and died of killing 27. And police think she probably killed as much as high as 84 babies. Oh my God. And then, you know, luckily. So much work to have a baby for that baby to fucking get killed in the hospital. Crazy. Unbelievable.

Crazy. Especially those triplets. Is that one triplets still alive? One triplets still alive. Yeah. Yeah. Because the parents were like, give me the thing. I don't care.

Like put it in like a breadbasket. I was like race home with it. Like, it's better than being here. Yeah, 100%. Think about that. You, like, it's like a house of horrors where you're like, my baby's fine. And then its diaphragm has been shattered and it's not breathing anymore. And then 13 months later, it's like, that baby's fine.

And his fucking liver has been lacerated and it's not breathing. It's like, what do you? It's like a house of whores. It's crazy. I can't believe. It's awful. Oh, my God. And the last one I looked up, these would all be cases on their own was Janine Jones.

She was an American nurse who was convicted of killing two, babies, but it is thought that she could have killed as many as 60. Because again, these people don't get caught because the way they kill them is like so, like, nefarious. It's like an air bubble. It's, you know what I mean? It's not, like, except for Lucy's last two, it's not like you just bash them in the head with a crowbar. Like, there's, there's nothing there to witness. Yeah. But it's just like, it seems like if there's a pattern, there's a pattern, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's so terrible.

Yeah, I realized that, like, if I have a kid, I'm just going to, like, stick with it the entire time it's in the hospital. They do that now. Parents do that. Yeah, for the most part. Like, your baby very rarely leaves you. It leaves you, I mean, when it leaves you,

it goes with a nurse, but it leaves you to, like, get its hearing tested when you first have it. And, like, that's it. And then it has, like, I mean, for, like, kidnapping reasons, there's, like a, it has, like, a angle monitor on, you know? Like, Juan took Florence out of the room I was in, two seconds before we all left and somebody stopped him. And they were like, what are you doing with that baby?

And he was like, it's not a baby. And we all have your matching things. And they scan you. They're like, oh, these people are allowed to be around this baby. And that's for like, like I said, like kidnapping. But like you do give the baby to the nurse every once in a while. And you trust them. Hey, what do they do with the hearing test?

How do they check the hearing? I have no idea. Why can't you do that in the room? There's like a machine. It's like one of the first things that they do that because they have to take them out. So to take them out and do a hearing test, and that's the only one that they take the baby away for. So that I assume is like a big machine to make sure that the baby can hear. I don't know how they test it.

Ask it some questions. I don't know. Weird. Okay. Yeah. Well, it was an awful story. It was awful as I was reading it because I was just like thinking about how it's like every day. It's like you wake up in the morning like I'm going to kill a baby this morning.

It's like how do you like it's crazy to like think about what this woman's like brain? I mean there's other like what does she like? Is there anything else that she like says about it? No, no, she's not, yeah, she denied doing any of it. And she said that this is all abnormalities at the hospital and people were trying to falsify her records and whatever. But like they found, it was so obviously, there was like no doubt that she did it. Because like when they went and investigated her house and searched her house, under her bed were like trash bags of this confidential information that's like hospital information about these babies. Of the ones that she like killed or tried to kill.

And so it's like, come on, man. like there's no denying like and that's the trophy thing of the serial killer is like that's the way that she was trying to collect the trophy of every single time she killed one of these kids was bring home some confidential hospital-based information about that child so not good not good i'm looking at a video of her trial um it's it's it's it's delightful that in the uk in the uk and the judge still wears a wig oh my god i love that the the one curlers right you got curlers in. Mm-hmm.

What? Okay. Some of her friends are like, she didn't do it. And then she leaves post-it notes that said, I did this. I'm evil. Yeah, exactly. This is what has the word hate, really big circles. Oh, God.

The initials of the baby would be on our calendar. So on the days of the babies died, she would have the initial of the baby on the calendar. Oh, my God. Obviously, it's speculated because it could have been any two letters. You know what I mean? But it's just like he's too much evidence. It's just too much evidence. They should have done something like so much sooner.

Yeah. Yeah. That's terrible. And the doctors wanted to. The doctors were the ones who were like, this is crazy. This is weird. We got to do something so wild. It's just like it was like eight years ago.

I don't understand how you can't do it immediately. Like, I have to fucking fill up paperwork when babies are dying. Yeah. Like that doesn't make any sense. It's like totally unfair that like you can't just be like who and if she didn't do it, then who cares? She had three days off. Yeah.

You know, who gives a shit. We put her on administrative leave for three days. Everybody who is around these dead babies, let's put them on leave. Let's see if babies continue to die. Or like put a fucking cop cam on her, you know. Yeah. Well, that was the thing. I think like so when they decided they're going to move forward to the day shift, you know,

I mean, that was kind of the, oh shit. moment, which is like we can't deny this anymore because now you have three kids who went critical, two who died within like a day of each other. Like it's obviously something's wrong. That was a part of the story that like changed it to like a horror movie for me was like when you look around in the daylight, you're like, oh my God, like there's a serial killer working here. I'm having a really hard time getting images for your stories because mine, I'm making like fun dumb AI images of like volcanoes and yours i'm just like not even doing it i didn't i can't it's just like like i read every mid journey uh serial killer nurse okay i'll do that i i did a for the

every release lorrivalo and i just did a bunch of like zombies in church because i think that's funny but it's not really much else you can do yeah my content's not exactly fun leaves at least something to be desired. And that something is a shower. Oh, I can't do it. I can't do killer. I can't do killer nurse. It says my prompt might be against their community standards.

Imagine an evil nurse. Yeah, there you go. Nope, we can't do that either. Imagine Nurse Wretched. All right, that one's going. Yeah. Yuck. Yuck.

It's so sad. Awful story. It's awful that it happened a lot. It's awful that it continues to seemingly happen. And if you're a parent, yeah, never let your kids out of your side. Ever, not once. Fuck. Taylor, thank you for your time.

I do need to get ready. I know. Wait, I have one listener mail. Do you see Kiara's email? No, I didn't. She asked us, I don't know if you got forwarding works, but Kiara asked if we have any personal stories of being around like, crazy things that happened and also wants to know a little bit more about us i thought that might be fun

to do around the holidays where we can like spend a week where we don't have to frantically read a book yeah let's do it let's uh set that aside for maybe the thanksgiving holiday or something yeah that'd be fine boo let's throw a mail do a Q&A didn't last last podcast i just did the Q&A they did i don't mean we're going to get that many Q&A but thank you caro we will get to that so it was a good idea that sounds like a fun thing to do um and as far as his birthday so bars, go have brunch. And oh, I looked up espresso and martini. Excuse me. I'm sorry. It actually says it's not a traditional

martini because it doesn't have gin or vermuth, but it does have vodka, espresso and coffee, wait, espresso, coffee liqueur, and vodka. Sweet. That works. Kaluua, espresso

and vodka. Sounds delicious. Have a great time. Thank you. Happy birthday. Thanks, Tommy. Oh, wait, everyone follows on social, doomed to fell pod. All the things. Thanks all. Thanks.

Bye.