Doomed to Fail - Scorched Omnibus: Four Episodes on Some of History's Most Epic Fires

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

🔥 Scorched Omnibus is here! 🔥In this epic four-part series, we dive into the stories of some of history's most devastating fires:🌆 The Great Fire of London (1666)🏙️ The Great Chicago Fire (1871)🌉 The San Francisco Earthquake & Fire (1906)Discover the chaos, resilience, and lessons learned from these fiery disasters.🎧 Tune in now to hear how these blazes shaped cities and history.#Podcast #History #GreatFireOfLondon #ChicagoFire #SanFranciscoEarthquake #HistoricalDisasters Join our Founders Club on Patreon to get ad-free episodes for life! patreon.com/DoomedtoFailPodWe would love to hear from you! Please follow along! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod  Youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: [e-mail] 

from doomed to fail. We have the podcast that brings you history's most notorious disasters and epic failures twice a week. And this week, we are going to do a large re-release and tell you about three times that major cities burned down. We'll talk about the Great Fire of London, the Great Chicago Fire, and the Great San Francisco Fire, which actually was caused by the earthquake. So here's four episodes for you. If you haven't heard them, let us know what you think. And thank you It's a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.

And we are backed and firmly in 2024. They're great too far. Hello. Has it been the best 24 for you? It's been the best. Just the best. I am very excited about this year. It is going to be a presidential year.

which is always fun because politics is entertainment and we like that. I know, I love it. We like that serious topics are now subject to sound bites and TikTok clips. That's actually pretty good. I know, cool. So welcome to do to fail. I'm Forrest, joined here by Taylor and we are a podcast about the ever-evolving topic of what to cover on a day-to-day basis, although it generally has a tragic concept to it or a forlorn element to it or something along those lines so you know

as we iterate just let us know if anything is resonating at all anything at all it's resonating we'll take it whatever you got sounds good sounds good so i covered the lovely and toxic salton see earlier this week we are moving on to a topic that taylor has chosen which i do not know at all so i'll kick it over to you taylor awesome so i'll kick it over to you taylor awesome so i I said water is our through line, and I'm definitely going to be drinking water as my themed drink during this one because I want to talk about fire and a historical fire. There's a bunch of big ones, but this one, I'm not going to make you guess because I just feel like there's a lot of historical fires. And I don't know, do you know any? Chicago and San Francisco.

Neither of those. It's in Europe. It is the Great Fire of London in 16. 26. Taylor, can I give you another through line? Yeah. So with a Salton C episode, if the San Francisco fire hadn't happened, then they probably would have blocked it up in the Salton C never would have existed because there was a dredge they needed to dig out the canal and they couldn't get it because the whole city was burning down. Oh my god, I can't wait for the water wars. It's going to be real great, real fun, run that maxi around here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um,

fun. So, have you ever watched, this is funny me, have you watched Tacoma FD? It's on, it's on HBO and it's going to be on Netflix soon. No. It's great. It is by the broken lizard guys who do like Beer Fest and Super Troopers. Yeah. And they're amazing. And I just wanted to shout that out because I really love it. So I've been learning a lot about, I've been watching this fireman show. We've watched it. We've watched the whole thing twice. It's just really, really funny. So shout out to that show. But today I'm going to talk about the Great Fire of London. It destroyed five, sixth of London. It destroyed five, sixth of London. And so most of it.

It's a big, big swath. Big swath. So first to talk about firefighting and fire dependent societies. So we're so lucky that we don't have to have an open flame constantly in our homes. Like most of the world were history. Like you had candles and you had fire and it was just so dangerous and there was so much fire around. Like I have a gas stove and matches just in case there's an emergency. But like I don't have a fire constantly.

As soon as it gets the dark outside, I don't need to, like, light 100 candles, you know? I've been lighting candles this week because I like them. That's different than, like, needing them, you know? It's true. But also, remember if the Zappos guy died in that, like, shed lighting candles and drinking vodka? Wait, the Zappos guy's dead? Yeah, like, the guy who had, like, started Zappos, he died and, like, because he loved expensive candles and vodka, and he was, like, in someone's shed. and like fire is dangerous is part of my point

still is but we're not dependent on it oh my god you're right he did die yeah isn't horrible but he died in the shed yeah it was like in like the Hamptons was in a house fire in New London Connecticut nobody knew who he was because he was burned to a crisp but he became trapped in a pool shed during the fire

oh my god my table stand is moving It looks like your chair is going down. Isn't that awful? So, yeah, fires continues to be very dangerous if you're not careful. He was 47 years old. Can you imagine being like a billionaire, 47 years old? Yeah, absolutely horrible. So, yeah, so fire still super, super dangerous.

Also, it's really dark. And so there is like another book that I have called The Invention of Murder that I've read part of. And it starts off talking about like Victorian England, but, like as soon as it got dark it was dark people would like get lost in the streets all the time you know like you couldn't see anything in a lot of these places like as soon as it was dark so you had to have candles constantly and like the street lamps were fires all those things yeah and so even now my my mom was talking about it we're all getting this Instagram ad for a fire blanket

to like put over your stove if it catches on fire to like kick it go out because like we don't even know how to use our fire extinguishers like we should remember how to use those but um For most of history, everything could have caught on fire. And people, as cities began to build, obviously people living closer and closer, and there's way more chance that everything's going to go up in flames. And then also, water, this is like our through line. Water is really heavy. It's hard to get water places.

Like, even when they have those big forest fires, you can't just, like, douse it with water. It just, like, doesn't happen. And I did look up because I wasn't sure what it was that, you know how planes drop that, like, pink stuff on forest? fires. That's actually a chemical called Phoschek, P-H-O-S-Fose-check. It's a fertilizer-based liquid and it coats the vegetation in a fire-resistant layer. That's not to put out the fire. That's to stop the fire from going any further. And there's also like, yeah, and there's also

like a ton of stuff that like, you know, some things are controlled burns and some things need to be, you know, set on fire to be able to like have the land grow and all those things. But it's really hard to put out like a huge fire is part of the point. And they can just put a wildly small amount of water on it at a time. Yeah, you don't put a, you don't put a fire out. You exhaust its ability to keep firing. Exactly. Exactly.

So let's talk about how we've done that, like around history. So I have a little bit of like a history of firefighting. In ancient Rome, there were volunteers who would use, they would watch out for fires. So like, in all these stories, like before communication systems, you know, someone would like ring a bell and be like, there's a fire over here and people would like come and like try to help. So they started doing that in ancient Rome. Obviously they did it before. In medieval Europe, there was fire brigades, which are also mostly volunteers. And they used like buckets of water. There was some like spraying devices that they had, but they had to like fill

carts with water and like get it to the fire, you know. Do you know? And then also this is when around the medieval times is they started to do hook and ladders. Have you heard like a hook and ladders? Have you heard like hook and ladder company for like a fire thing no but i can assume it's a ladder that has a hook on it that you can like settle on things right that's what i thought it was but it's actually not so like a ladder obviously is a ladder but the hooks are for pulling buildings down around the fire so as soon as like a house catches on fire the hook is made to pull the houses around it down so the fire cannot spread like you were something oh interesting wait so if my neighbor's house caught fire they would destroy my house yes it seems a little harsh it sucks but like you'd have to because your house is so

close together you know that's why you got to move this exos where no nothing is close to anything yeah yeah i mean especially like i'll tell you a little bit about how the houses look like in 1666 but they were just like unbelievably close together um there were also like bucket brigade brigades i'm sure you've heard of that where you like pass a bucket down and do that like it takes forever, but it's still, like, it happens. Formal fire departments started to come in, like, the late, late 1600s because of this. The first fire department in the United States was founded in Boston in 1678. In the 19th century, you know, the steam power to fire engines were really helpful.

And then obviously now you have, like, your gigantic fire truck can carry, hook up to the sewer system and do all those things. Right. I don't think that's sewer water that they should. not the sewer system but like you know like the that's the same thing like the that's what's called it's called the sewer system the water the sewers the sewers full of shit they're not taking ship water out of hydrants and then put pouring you know when you're connected to like the city water it's like the city water but it's the same company there's a sewer are you under the

impression that when you turn on like a faucet in your house that is also connected to your septic tank no it's just that i think it's all the kind of the same thing taylor's googling is in fire hens i think it's like the same thing at the very worst it's like gray water it's just it's regular drinking water but it comes from the whole system of water like the sewer system isn't separate from the water system it's the same group that does it let's let's carry on okay i don't care um anyway we're gonna be stuck on this topic for like way too long um so another thing that came out of this was actually the invention of fire insurance. The first insurance company in London was the fire office that was established

in 1680, and it is the origin of moderate insurance, because they didn't really have that before this, but then they started to do that. And they would do things, obviously, that, like, is super fucked up. Like, houses that were insured would have, like, a little mark on them so that firefighters are prioritized those houses over other houses. It's still fucked up. Like, insurance is, like, such a scam like if something goes wrong they will never pay or take forever to pay but yeah god forbid you don't make it i mean not that i've ever missed the pain but like still i would assume if i missed a payment it would raise hell about it yeah totally totally um i mean we had a guy come when we had a leak in our roof and he gave us a good quote but you know it was paining the ass

wait with your insurance company mm-hmm so you call the insurance company and then they they sent somebody mm-hmm yeah get your own quote They're going to send someone cheap? No, no, no, no. They sent a guy to look at it, and then they sent us money to pay for it however we wanted to. No, fun. Okay. Well, you have good insurance.

I do. So anyway, so we're in London. So that's kind of like the history of firefighting. It's obviously hard. And as cities are being built, it's getting harder. In 1666 in London, it is the restoration period. King Charles II has just been crowned. He's a new king.

And right before this, Oliver Cromwell had been. in charge of England, but he wasn't a king, and he had been in charge of killing Charles, not in charge of one of the people who had signed the death order over Charles I first, so all this stuff that I don't know, but it's tense. And people think that, like,

the Cromwellians are going to come back and, like, fight for power. So it's still, like, tense politically. They're also just out of the plague. Because the plague killed a shit ton of people, and it's still around. Some people claim that the fire is a thing that stopped it for good, because it burned down and it killed a bunch of rats.

obviously, but people, it was already kind of waning down and people were starting to recover from it, but that had been like, obviously super traumatic. A ton of people had died, you know. England was in the middle of two wars. They were fighting the French because they were always fighting the French and also the Dutch. So there was like that going on. And London itself was growing so fast. It was one of, it was like the fastest growing city in the world. There were different parts like Westminster wasn't officially a part of London but it like became a part of London it was a lot of sprawl going out there was still the Roman wall around a lot of it because the Romans left in 400 but the wall was still there that's crazy yeah and like remember how you remember how they

left and then English didn't know how to fix anything so everything just kind of collapsed because they like didn't know how to do the how to fix aqueducts they didn't know how to maintain the wall they didn't know how to do anything else so they just kind of like collapsed into the middle ages because Romans left. So, but London is huge. So there's anywhere between like 250 and 450,000 people in the city, which is pretty major. And there's also a ton of people that are in and out of the city during the day to like trade and do things. So it's very, very busy.

There are pipes that run water through the city, but it is not like a modern like pipe system. The houses have a lot of, they're made out of wood, have a lot of thatched roofs. And this is when, like, they rebuild it a lot in stone, but it started off being, you know, made of wood. And they're also growing in a way that, like, have you ever seen a picture of an old house that has, like, a smaller first floor than the second or third floors? Oh, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, we did we, like, just talk about that about there was a house you showed me, like, an old house, it would have been in someone's family for like a thousand years and the bottom was like just narrow little thing and the top was like this big old. I don't remember, but

I didn't look at the houses for myself, I don't know. Yeah, but you can picture it. And so, like, what that meant was, so they were trying to, like, get more space, obviously, so they would build up and they would build out. So in the middle of the roads, the houses were getting closer and closer

where you could, like, shake your neighbor's hand through your bedroom window over the street. That's kind of fun. I would like to live there. But it's not fun because it's gross and really dark. Why is it gross? You know, like, because there's poop everywhere,

because it's 1666 and there's like you know because there's poop everywhere and there's also like so there's no you know there's no sewer system there's no way to get the poop out the poop everywhere it smells bad obviously history smells terrible and um it's really really crowded in there's no fresh air you know because there's no fresh air you can barely see the sky when you're on the street in the middle of the day yeah it's like great I always wonder how people back then were intimate it because like it sounds disgusting like it is

it's like you have a UTI constantly to be so gross yeah yeah I don't like yeah it's all bad yeah no totally no one was taking showers I mean that's not part of the story but yeah but it was like very crowded in most of the city

so the houses are getting closer and closer they're all made of wood it's also the summer of 1666 was very very very dry. It was like the driest summer on record, so everything is dry in this whole city. And then also, it's really windy. So this is the beginning of September 1666. On September 1st, the King's brother is in the Anglo-Dutch War off at sea, and he's going to get into a battle with the Dutch, and it's so windy, they both sides just leave. They can't even fight. Like,

they were just like, it was just so windy, like the boats were going crazy, like all this huge storm on the sea. So that wind from September 1st is moving towards London, and it gets there around 1 a.m. on September 2nd, 1666. Got it. Got it. So the fire began in the beginning of, in the middle of the night, and it ravaged the city for like four to five days. It started in a bakery owned by a man named Thomas Fariner on Pudding Lane, which is adorable. It's where all the bakers were. Oh my God. That's so cute. I know. Um, And it was probably someone forgetting to put up the fire, which happened all the time. So this is like the Swiss cheese model that we talk about of like things that have to go wrong.

So like it's really fucking dry. This wind is like a huge wind that they haven't seen in a really long time. And someone in the bakery forgets to turn off the oven. Yeah. And so there starts to be the fire starts in the bakery of Thomas's house. And so he obviously lives on the top. floor and so him and Stanley go to the top floor and they escape to their neighbor's house via that top window that's really close to each other but their maid is afraid of heights

and she won't go and she's the first person to die in the Great Fire of London which is very yeah um so right now the thing to do would have been to grab the hooks and pull down the houses around the bakery you know like that would be the answer and then it was stop burning and they do that all the time in london there's fires all the time you know are houses that flimsily belt that you could just poke it with a stick well like i think so it's like wood i don't think they're like poking with a stick i think you're like hooking it out to the top and like pulling it down the group of people i think okay because when i was in ireland i was like amazed at like the buildment quality of things everything there was like 7000 years

old and you look at it and it's like still standing and it is it looks impenetrable so I guess you have to, like, weaken it, like, structurally before you can do any of that stuff. Yeah, I'm sure there's, like, other things that they did. But, like, yeah, the hook was to pull it down. And that was, like, like, you said earlier, that's, like, the way to stop the fire is stop, give it nowhere to go. Yeah. And that way, you can stop it. I mean, they do that all the time.

But the problem is that in this part of London and in most of London, most of the houses were rentals. So the person who owned the house didn't live in it. They rented it to someone else. So on the Lord Mayor, Sir Thomas Bloodworth, who was a guy. in charge of London he was called to make a decision and he said it's not that bad just let it burn out don't tear down any of the houses because we can't find the owners because the owners aren't physically there as just people who are renting the houses so to save the properties allegedly he's like let's just leave it and he goes back to bed it's like one in the morning

he leaves and everybody else is just like watching this fire happen and they can't do anything about it because they're not allowed to tear down the houses that they would usually do so the city did have some fire breaks which were like places where there was that space between it but they weren't enough to contain this fire there was also a shit ton of flammable stuff in the city they had just um they're coming in on awards all the time so there's like storehouses of gunpowder all over you know and things that are like primed to explode in different places not good no um so there's also a lot of like books and papers and things that are like really highly flammable everything's made out of um out of out of wood um we know a lot about this from a man named samuel peeps he was a noble man who knew the king and he wrote a journal and so his journals you can like read now he goes like his day to day and he watched it happen from across the thames and he was like why aren't they pulling things down like this is getting bigger and bigger i can see this happening so he went to the king because he knew the king and he was like he watched it happen and he told the king you have to start turning these buildings down and the king said yes and like over overrode the mayor so they were finally able to start pulling things down um your question are we just going to like gloss over the fact that the mayor of london's name was bloodworth pretty that's a pretty cool name like it sounds like he brushes his teeth with battle axes i know i think actually he's kind of lame unfortunately so he doesn't live up to his name

because he could have been a hero. He definitely is not the hero in this story. You're looking out for like a few landowners instead of like the entire city, which is his job? Yeah, 100%. So people start fleeing because like this part of the city is very obviously on fire. The official death toll of the Great Fire London is six, which I do not believe. There's no way that only six people died. Yeah, because they're not counting orphans, maids, like.

Yeah. Yeah, they're not counting the poor people. And they couldn't come the poor people, they didn't have a list. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like they probably had like a rudimentary list of people for tax purposes. But like there's no way only six people died because people also start to like they could potentially have been cremated because this fire in the center was so hot. And there's like a piece of pottery that was found like in the center of it like you're like later by like archaeologists. And like that piece is what's heated up to like 2,000 degrees like crazy people could have just disappeared.

you know and I'm sure they did because so and people would do things like they would move their things a mile away so I'd be like I'm going to bring myself over to your house Fars and then the fire would get to your house and we'd be like shit and we'd like move our stuff again so people were like moving their things and they were really focused on like saving their property and their like their physical things rather than putting out of the fire like a lot of people were so there were also then carts and boats that were upping their prices to bring people out of the city. So, like, being like, you know, where it usually would cost like, you know, 30, like 30 bucks for an Uber. Now it's $6,000 adjusted to our time. So like, people are really taking advantage of other people. And there's a big jam at all the gates of the city because some carts are trying to get in to get in on this good deal and everyone else is trying to get out. So there's a lot of like that where I'm sure people died in that like melee, you know, like people are panicking and then getting out. so and of course also there was looting you know people were like you know stealing stuff from houses like as they burned down there were also there's also i'm sure a ton of human stuff like assaults and panic and like things that you know no one wrote down because they died so i'm sure there's like a lot more people that died um at one point all of the booksellers moved their books to the crypt in st paul's cathedral because it was made of stone they were like we'll move all of our books into this crypt so that they'll they'll be safe but the

ceiling, the roof was wood, and the wooden roof caught on fire, collapsed into the cathedral, into the crypt, and all the books went on fire. So it was just like a fireball of all the paper. Yeah. So all that's happening. The Royal Exchange is gone. That's like the bank. And then, of course, people start to be like, what happened? How did this happen? Whose fault is this? And of course, they start blaming? Bloodworth. Yes. No, immigrants. of course not going to blame blood word I'm going to name Giuseppe so they are like

in the middle of it which I totally understand because I have been in the middle of a terrorist attack and you don't know what's going on you know and the people were like is this a terrorist attack they had actually just burned some Dutch cities so they're like is this revenge for the cities that we just burned

during this war that we're in it like sparked a huge obviously like fear of the other they were saying that like the baker where it started he was Dutch he wasn't you know but that rumor started like immediately they were blaming other people and then another thing that would happen is like obviously it's still super super windy so sparks and ash and stuff would fly to different parts of the city so you see fires starting all over the city in different places and it looks like potentially there could be like an arsonist you know like someone bombing different parts of the city

and that's really fucking scary the people start thinking that that's happening I love that back then it was the terrorist angle was just like they're a slightly different version of like white than we are like what is the actual difference that you guys are fighting over Dutch and in the British both have terrible food terrible climates like what is it and also like also Catholics so we're doing it at this point they hate Catholics but that goes back and forth you know over and over again but all of that is happening and this is like a huge thing um also everyone is really tired it's been like three days you can't take a nap in the middle of this you know so like they're not making good decisions they're not prioritizing getting rid of the fire um eventually

uh bloodworth is like you know what i'm going to go take a nap i'll be back and he just leaves and they don't see him until after it's over yeah good so bad i'd be like fuck this i'm out he just like he you'd have this city which is now basically just an ash pile exactly the king actually he rode around on his horse giving people money to get people out which is noble right i feel like that's pretty cool it's pretty cool so he was like you know those people who were like jacking up their prices he was like fine i'll pay you just get these people out of here you know so they were trying to get people out but eventually the fire did stop and it stopped because the wind dropped the wind dropped and they used gunpowder that was stored in the Tower of London to create those huge fire breaks.

They had to demolish a lot of the outside of it so that it would stop. So eventually after like five days, it did stop. After it was over, it destroyed, like I said, five, sixth of the city, approximately 87 churches, 13,200 houses, a bunch of other buildings. And so London had had, you know, like 400,000 people potentially kind of going in and out it and around the whole city but in it ended up with being about 70,000 people left homeless and having to go into like refugee camps around the city which is way too many houses to burn down for only six people to have died yeah I agree with that and there's a bunch of people that probably killed each other in the refugee camps as you would as you would do there's so much of

that going on that we just like don't know about um so people really like wanted to blame something you know they were like who's false is this you know there's all of the things that you know it was it was chance but it like it being chance is really scary and that's i think again what we talk about with the swiss cheese model like it's just fucking chance that all these things went wrong yeah so they were like is this the apocalypse you know we just had a plague we're all we're in these wars you know we had a drought like what is this is this are we being punished for something So people were trying to find, like, if is God punishing us, is something I did? Is it something we did as a people? Should we stop being in these wars? Should we stop doing all these things? So people are really like, obviously everyone was really, really, really traumatized. And they didn't do anything about it. There's no like mental health care. But like Samuel Pepys, the guy who wrote the journal about it, him and his wife, like, they didn't sleep for years. They would wake up with like terrifying nightmares. And I'm sure he just wrote it down. I'm sure so many people had that, you know. because you never talk about PTSD.

I mean, it is, it is terrifying. I, I accidentally set fire to my house. Like, I didn't know what was happening. I basically put it on the stove and forgot about it. And then I caught the reflection of like flames. Like, not just like a, like a, it's so different. Like a candle wick versus like a fire is just. Yeah.

So, I mean, your body goes into, I got to do something, anything. It has to be, it is terrifying. I mean, again, I was in that experience. I literally picked up hot oil with my bare, like, flaming oil with my bare hands to get rid of the fire. Because I was like that scared. And like my hands were burned to her crest for like weeks and weeks after that. But. Oh my God.

That's so scary. Yeah. And then like that times a million. Like imagine it's like watching Austin burn down. You're like, what am I? I would also leave town. Yeah, totally. People, do not be a hero.

Take it for me. I'm telling you, never try to be the hero. Always escape. We've talked about that so many times. Yeah, just run. Curl into a ball. Get out of there. Throw the vulnerable at the problem and then get out of the situation.

Well, don't do that, but you should run. There's a man named Robert Hubert who is, you know how we also talked about how people always confess to crimes that they didn't do? Yeah. like just to like for attention so robert was a man he was dutch he said that he did it that he started it and he like went to the bakers like where the baker's bakery was and he was like i did it here and the baker signed off on that guy's execution and he was executed for it but he didn't do it it was an accident you know if he just wants peace i'm gonna help he wanted it he's you know

he's in the history book so you know um after the fire they wanted to rebuild obviously as fast as possible. There's an architect, Sir Christ Christopher Wren. He oversaw the rebuilding. He wanted a lot of things to be built out of stone instead of wood, obviously, that helped prevent future large-scale fires. He actually had a new plan, and immediately people had new plans. Like, even while it was burning down, people were going to the king with a new plan for the city. You know, like, they were like, they were already, people wanted to be the architect of the new London, even as it was still burning. Christopher Wren had a plan to rebuild it, like a little bit more, like have more wider streets, like boulevards, things like that. But people just wanted to get back to their

life. So they just rebuilt on their old plots. And a lot of the way London is now, it was the way that it was them. Like they kept the small lanes and all of that. Ren did redo St. Paul's cathedral, which is beautiful and that is still there. And then in, when they were building Washington, D.C., they used Wren's plans. So Washington, in D.C. is what he had thought London should be like, those big boulevards and, like, streets and stuff. Cool. Also, London gets destroyed again during World War II.

So it's not... It's a pretty big target. Yeah. It's always getting destroyed. Today, there is a monument. It is a big pillar in the middle of London to... As a monument to the fire, it used to say on it, burning of this Protestant city began and carried out

by the treachery and the malice of the popish faction, meaning the Catholics did it. That used to say that on the monument, but they chiseled it out in the 1800s because then they went back to be Catholic. Because they had no proof. Yeah, and they obviously was not the Catholics who did it.

It's probably the bigger thing is there was no proof that that happens. Yeah. So that's the chiseled out, but the monument is still there. And London is basically built on the same roads and alleys and plan that it was before then, they'd just rebuild on top of it. And they rebuilt it pretty fast.

Within like four years, it was like up and running again. But it was obviously a devastating, a devastating fire. And I'm sure a lot more people than sex died. And most of London was completely flattened. So I have two thoughts. Okay. I forgot the first one already. Perfect.

So I have one thought. Let me get to it before I forget. So your story reminded me when you kept talking about chance, how that's kind of how every major thing happens is this convergence of issues. It reminded me of something I was reading about the Fukushima nuclear plant. Because as part of designing these things

and part of figuring out how to mitigation against disaster, they look at actuaries who, put together mobility tables and like in Fukushima's example like basically for that to have happened it would have to have a convergence of events that would not be projected to happen over 10,000 years or whatever it was because it would have to have a this magnitude earthquake that would trigger this kind of a tsunami at this depth to trigger this large of a wave at this all that had to kind of come together and they're like guys we like this is 10,000 year problem this is not a today problem like let's just move on with building this nuclear power plant and the same story here it's like it had all these things that were kind of improbable to happen and kind of come together ended up coming together and I remember the second thing the second thing was I was reading while you were talking that Bloodworth if he were to tell them to tear those houses down he would have been personally liable to the owners for repaying to rebuild those houses unless he got the instruction from the king

to tear them down. So he might not have been a villain. But he didn't go to the king and ask. He went back to sleep. Seven of old peeps had to go to the king and ask. So someone else had to go to the king, tell the king this has to be taken down. And then he took them down. But also then, like, what is his job if you can't do it anyway? By blood worth, I was trying to stick up for you, but you kind of fucked up there. Yeah. I don't know. That's nice of you. But I don't think, I don't think so. I think it's all about that one. Yeah, yeah. Wild times.

Yeah. Wild times in Old Mary London, which I've actually, I've been to, I've flown through Gatwick and Heathrow, but I've actually never explored London. That's great. I went there for two weeks in grad school. I lived there. I lived in a hotel and lunch in some classes, and it was really fun. Oh, my God.

We had such a good time. And my sister, my brother and I went there one time as well. all. It's great. It's very lovely. Yeah, that'll go on the list. Sweet, Taylor, well, thank you for sharing. Is there anything we want to talk through? I have one more listener mail from my friend Agnes, and she said she, what she remembers from seventh grade science about the ozone layer, because we talked about that, remember? It was the CFCs, the chloro-fluorocarbons, core of fluorocarbons that were in aerosols and in styrofoam plates and things. Like, are you old enough to remember when like McDonald's, everything was wrapped in styrofoam?

Yes. It was like particularly bad styrofoam. And then that was in the aerosols. So once they took that out and made the aerosols work differently, the ozone layer kind of fixed itself and it's almost back to normal. Good. So styrofoam was the problem mostly? Mostly the aerosols, which is so funny because you're like, is people like making their hair really big in the 80s. right right i love that that could potentially be the thing that that ends us why the fuck not why not

um interesting okay well thanks for writing in yeah thank goodness and anyone else any thoughts or ideas that you have any um alternate theories on what caused the great fire of london any great fires you want to hear about let me know i'm gonna do a bunch of disasters this year i'm super excited about um i have two weeks off of work at the moment so i'm going to just be painting my house and reading books in my ears and hopefully getting a couple weeks prepped. So I'm excited to do that. That is fun. That is fun.

I'm excited for you. Awesome. Well, we are kicking off 2024 with a bang or a fire and we'll see where the rest of the year takes us. I'm, you know what I was thinking, Taylor? I was like, I was just reflecting on the fact like so much crazy stuff happened this year, or I guess last year, 2023. I was thinking about the Titan sub and I was like, you know, At the start of the year, nobody even knew what this was.

I remember thinking myself, like, wait, you can just pay money to go down. I know. It was a whole thing was so new and now, it was just like accepted back. I'm like, what is going to happen next year? Like, what is, what's coming? That's so true. What crazy shit are we in for? Yeah, that was, you're right.

Fingers crossed that it's not the end of the world. Hopefully yellow soon doesn't interrupt. But shit, who knows? What kind of, have you seen? Have you seen the videos this week of all the waves in California going over the piers? No. I've seen like a bunch of videos. I don't know how like how prevalent it is, but of like people standing on the like different peers like next to the ocean and the waves are just like coming up and they have to like run from them.

That's shocking because the peers like I'm thinking about like the Santa Monica or Malibu or Santa Barbara. Like those pears are huge. Like they're like. Yeah. It's not those. that's like the smaller, I don't know, but let me look at this, California leaves. So, you know, something's coming, probably. Yeah, what crazy thing is it going to be when it's like, you know, yeah, we could never

have predicted that more monster waves will collide with California coasts. Yeah, massive dangerous waves hit California coast this week. 20 foot tall, some as high as 25 feet. with expectations being some as high as 40 are going to impact the area as high as a telephone pole, which, yeah, I mean, that's as as tall as those peers are in Malibu. Yeah, that's real scary. I wasn't nervous about those beautiful beach houses. I'm like, I don't know.

I think you're so close to the ocean. It can kill you in a minute. It's worth it. Yeah. Doing a heartbeat. Sweet. Well, if you have any predictions for. next year what the crazy news is i'm going to play a bit of bingo and say i don't know it's all

it's so predictable right like it's hurricane fires like it's all it's it happens every year like i don't know there's no big good this this also reminded me is like one of the saddest things is listening to podcasts from early like the end of october um 20 what was it 2016 when trump was first elected because everyone's like really excited and then like the next one they're like sad like it's like some of the ones i listen to you know that they're like woo and then they're like so how's it's going to be it's going to be a wild well i do want to shout out i do want to shout out here over the week i'm going to do this i'm going to add this segment here the week gypsy rose release from prison thank god i have no idea why she was ever even sent to prison like we should all

just give her like a go fund me account and just every month deposit money into her go fund me because i can't like i was i was just reading about how one of the surgeries i totally forgot about was her having her salivation glands removed so she literally can't salivate like crazy the abuse she suffered is like unbelievable and i'm really i'm happy i'm happy for her and she I think she's on social media now, like, good for her. Good for her. Yeah. If you want to talk to us, Gypsy, give us a shout.

We'll do an interview. We can be able to change our life. So we're absolutely good. Awesome. Anything else, Taylor? That's it. Follow us on Instagram, et cetera, at Doom to Fill pod. We have an email list.

So every week, I email you what we put out. Welcome back out. You can sign up for that. This chili, Chile, July Wednesday in Oakland. send us a note if you're true. No, well, you're going to be too bad. Perfect. Thanks all. I'm Taylor. Wait, so how long are you there for a day?

Just a day. Yeah. That's quick. Yeah. Yeah. It's on my list of things of like I have my, I have like so many cities on my weather app. I'm looking at it now because like everywhere everyone I know lives. Oh my God. My brother lives in Spokane.

It's seven right now. We've got Baltimore snowing. Austin 25 wind chill advisory and three more advisories. yeah yeah hard freeze it's gonna be it's gonna be a Thursday it's gonna be 67 wait where Austin wait when Thursday oh that's awesome okay yeah yeah so you're gonna you're gonna get through it all right so it's only a few days we got a bunker down yeah good um so we are on to your story today and per usual, I'm going to go ahead

to do an introduction. We're doomed to fail. We are going to have a fun podcast today about a topic that I'm going to guess that Taylor's giving me clues for, which I don't know because we don't share each other's detailed before we record the podcast. I'll stop talking like that.

Can you give me a clue? It's a continuation of a series that I guess I started earlier this year. Volcanoes. No, we finished volcanoes. We're done. We printed out that diploma. Oh, yeah, that's right. And we released the Omnibus. Yeah, yeah.

The continuation of something you started. I don't know. The fire. Wait, the fire? Yeah, it's a fire. Okay, sweet. Which fire? The one in Chicago.

The Great Chicago Fire. The Great Chicago Fire. Yes, I also want to say, so we're going to talk about the Great Chicago Fire of 1871. And I also wanted to say Chicago, like that, like Chicago. And Lindsay, my cousin Lindsay, that's what you're, mom sounds like Lindsay's mom is like, I'm from Chicago. It's great. She's the best. I love that. I love Midwestern accent. Me too. They're so cute. So yeah, the great Chicago fire. We talked about the Great Fire of London in 1666. So let's talk about the Great Chicago Fire. My friend Agnes

emailed and was like, you're going to do that, right? And I'm like, yes. Obviously, I grew up in Chicago. So my Chicago friends were like, let's do it. So, okay, you're ready? You ready? I'm in. Let's do it. Did you ever read The Jungle when you were in school, Fars, but Upton's and Claire? You're going to be shocked to know that I did not, but I am very, very familiar with it. What are you familiar about it? The hoard meat. Yeah. But you know what it is actually what was supposed to be about?

The Chicago Fire? No, about the people. Like, it wasn't written to be a think piece about how gross the, you know, the meatpacking industry was. But that just happened to be something that they brought up. And people took that. But it was really about the people. And I read it and I, you know, I know that it was about, you know, he mentions how disgusting all of the meat plants were. It actually led to the U.S. Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906.

So we actually had like impact across the country, which is great. You know, that should be safe and clean. But it's also a story about people and it's so devastating. So it's all these immigrants coming to Chicago and they're having like such a hard time finding a place to live, finding a place to work. They're getting screwed over everywhere. Like their houses gets mortgaged if they miss a payment or even if they don't miss a payment, someone else can move in. They just like have terrible employment. There's one time where a terrible thing happens where a baby falls into a puddle and dies. So sad. There's like so many human stories in it too. One of them about like the guy meets a rich person in Chicago and the rich person gives him $100 bill. But he can't get anyone to make change on it. And he's afraid he ends up losing it. It's just like so devastating. It's such a devastating human story. But I had that in my mind, and I was thinking about this because Chicago is such a rapidly growing city in this time. And it is one of the biggest cities in America, even a couple of years later. So the Chicago Fire is also the name of their soccer team.

Isn't that funny? It's bad. Bad. Yeah. And a TV show, obviously, Chicago Fire, you know, like a drama show. Do you, okay, I know I mentioned Tacoma FD a bunch on our socials because I just love that show. so much, and I'm thinking about fires, but they have, they always make fun of other shows. And at one point, they, like, they're watching a show that it's like, Pittsburgh FD is in, or

Pittsburgh FD is the name of the show, but then they're filming it in Seattle, and it's Pittsburgh FD, Seattle. It's like we can feel off so hard. Like, it's not like Seattle FD, it's Pittsburgh FD, Seattle. You know what I mean? So Chicago is a huge city now. It was a huge city then. So it's 1871.

and Chicago has been growing like crazy. In 1840, the population of Chicago was 4,470. In 1870, so just 30 years later, it's almost 300,000. So it's grown from like 5,000 people to 300,000 people in 30 years. So it's huge. By 1880, so after the fire, it's still going to grow. It's going to be 500,000 people. So it's still going to grow kind of forever.

It's obviously a great connector city. tons of trains now and then and it's cold as shit but it's beautiful and a lot of people live there so do you remember where the great chicago fire started in a bakery nope that was the other one um it started in in mrs o'leary's barn that's like the myth that like the cow kicked over the lantern and that started the great chicago fire so there's a song that was released in 1896 called, there'll be a hot time in the old town tonight. And it goes late one night when we were all in bed, old mother Leary left the lantern in the shed.

And when the cow kicked it over, she winked her eye and said, there'll be a hot time in the old town tonight. But she wasn't old. She's only 44. So it did start. Yeah. It did start in and around their barn in Chicago.

They live like a little bit. They live on the, like, the southern side of the, of the city. So Catherine and Patrick O'Leary were immigrants from Ireland. They moved to Chicago and they had a couple of side hustles. So when they talk about Patrick O'Leary in the book I read, I read a book called The Great Chicago Fire and listened to some podcasts that I'll share. But they always call Patrick O'Leary an unskilled laborer, like an unskilled worker. Those are the jobs that he had. And I'm like, learn a skill. What? How can he be unskilled forever? But whatever. that he just had like shit jobs the whole time and mrs o'leary had a cow and some other animals and she would

deliver milk to her neighbors so she had a barn where she has some animals and she was like a milk lady they own their home the barn and a house on their property that they rented out to other irish immigrants so they you know they weren't they were like working working for so here are the facts it's sunday october 7th 1871. The O'Leary's live at 137 West DeCoven Street. It was dry as fuck. It was the hottest October on record and the driest summer they'd ever had, which is exactly what happened in London, if you remember, super dry. And it was still warm. Everything was made of wood, obviously, because everything was still made of wood then. There was a strong wind, exactly what happened in London. And Mrs. O'Leary had just gotten two tons of

hay delivered to her barn. So she at the barn's a dry full of driving. Yeah, exactly. The people in the back house are having a party. They're probably soaking cigarettes, you know, whatever. They have candles, like all is happening kind of on the property. The week has been very, very fiery. So it is, you know, 200 years after the Great Fire of London, but fire trucks are, you know, still very similar. You know, they don't have, like there's still kind of the same way that they're going to try to fight this, try to fight this fire. And there's so many fires still because people still rely on fire so much. So like I said, before, we're super lucky that we don't have to rely on fire constantly. But the firefighters are exhausted. So the

day before, there was a fire at a lumberyard that caught on fire. And it was, guess what it was next to that caught on fire after? That's caught in factory. It's like, it's so ridiculous that you couldn't make it up. It's a cardboard box factory. Not good. It sounds like it happened in a cartoon. You know, like, oh, my corporate box factory is on fire now, you know? That was literally a Simpsons episode. Yeah. So sometime in the evening, around 8 o'clock, the O'Leary Barn caught fire.

A neighbor, his name was Daniel O'Sullivan. He was 26. He only had one leg. He had a wooden leg, which would make me even more afraid of fire than I think, I don't know, that seems scary. But he kind of like hobbled over, started yelling. Everybody's like, holy shit, there's a fire. They try to get it out. They try to get the animals out.

They get one calf out, but the cow dies and the horses die. And the carriage that they have is destroyed. But O'Leary's were in bed when it happened. So one of the myths is, like, the cow kicked over the lantern while she was milking the cow. But she was like, why would I ever be milking my cow in the middle of the night? That doesn't make any sense. She was asleep. She had to wake up really early to milk the cow.

So however it happened, fire got into the barn, and the barn was engulfed in flames really, really quickly. It could have been the people at the fire. or at the party or people from, you know, an ember from the wind just like blowing around and like catching the barn on fire. What is kind of fun is that their house did not burn down. So like the whole city of Chicago pretty much burnt down, but in the other direction. That was very lucky. So the house was still there. Yeah. So now the fire is starting to get crazy and they're like, okay, we need to tell someone. We need to alert someone. And so we talked about last time that there were like bucket brigades and volunteers and watchmen so this time there's a little bit more technology

so there's watchmen and towers around the city watching for fires and also local businessmen and business owners have keys to a call box that they can call the fire station so like if you own the store on the block you're going to have the key to open up the box to call the fire department like the only one who has it but like it exists to be able to do that so daniel solven went to like a local store and tried to get the guy to call, and the guy didn't do it. He said, no, I'm not going to call. It's not a big deal. The firemen are really tired. So he, like, didn't, did it make the call? But finally, someone did see it? A dude named Mattias Schaefer was one, was on one of the towers, and he saw it. And he was, he sent the fire trucks to the wrong place because he wasn't, he couldn't really tell where it was from where

he was. So they ended up going about a mile away. So it took them a while to get to where the fire was. Make sense? Yeah. These, um, these are worst. on fire trucks. Yeah. Okay. And so have you ever heard the term like a three alarm fire? Yeah. I've heard it in the context of chili.

Do you know what that means? Oh, like spicy food, like three alarm chili. Yes. I would assume it's based on the severity of something. It is. Yeah. And it's based on literally ringing a bell. So if you saw a fire, you bring it once, if it wasn't that big of a deal, twice,

if it was getting pretty bad. and three times if it was really bad. So a three-lar fire. Just ring it three times. Just always ring it three times. 100%. I totally agree. But they didn't ring it three times

in the beginning for this one because they didn't think it was like that big of yule because there were fires all of the time. So by the time the firemen get there, it's about 10 o'clock. So about two hours have gone by. It's already spreading a ton also obviously because of the crazy, everything's dry and it's really windy. So it's already starting to spread. So a couple things that happen in Chicago that are kind of sad and I thought interesting kind of side notes is one of them is this is only six years after Lincoln was assassinated.

And one thing that I know about him is that he left Springfield the day that he was going to D.C. to become president. And he was like, I love Illinois. I can't wait to come back. And he never went back. It wasn't easy to travel, obviously. And Lincoln had planned after he was done with his second term to go back to Illinois. Illinois to check out the West, maybe go to Europe. He never really went anywhere, you know?

He was poor, and then he was president. So sad. And so he had all those plans. He's been dead for six years. But you know who was in Chicago during the Great Chicago Fire? John Wilkes Booth. No, I don't know where he was. But Mary Todd Lincoln, that poor fucking woman, his wife.

She had just lost. They had four sons. Three of them died. Two of them died in childhood. One died while they were in the White House. Her third son, Tad, had died just a couple of days before or a couple months before. So she was mourning her third son. He died when he was 18 and just like, so sad.

And of course, she was there during this like panic. Like she was fine. She wasn't affected, but like mentally I'm sure. She was like, what the fuck? Why do I deserve this? Yeah. Crazy. And also a lot of people in Chicago were people who knew Lincoln really well.

Like they knew him as a person. And they were like lawyers with. him on the circuit and like he was big in Illinois. So the fire also destroyed a lot of personal papers of Lincoln's, of letters of like historical things. It would have been really cool to have, but the fire destroyed them, which is a bummer. That sucks. Another thing that happened on the same day is actually the deadliest fire in American history happened in Wisconsin. It's the Pestigo fire, P-E-S-H-I-G-O. That one killed 2,400 people. And that's the deadliest fire in American history and happened the exact same day as a Chicago fire. It started with a slashed and burn

kind of getting out of control because they're trying to control fire and end up destroying a city and killing a ton of people. But it's the same wind and the same in dry climate. So like it makes sense that other fires happen to stay as well, you know. Wait, where is it? What state? In Wisconsin, in Heshtigo, Heshtigo, Wisconsin. Okay. Not good. A little bit north. Yeah. So here's what happens in Chicago. The rich people are, of course, running away with their most expensive things. So they're trying to get away a lot of paintings and books and things are destroyed.

Some of them bury things in their yard. One guy buried an entire piano in his yard, just hoping for the best. They would bury their silver, bury their jewels, and then run. Hopefully that would save it. I don't know exactly what happened to all the stuff that was buried,

but one person said that when it came back, it was still so hot for like a really long time that he tried to dig up his stuff. And as soon as his stuff hit the oxygen, it burst into flames because that's how hot it was you know so like a lot of it is like they couldn't even go back into the city for like at least a week because it was just like so hot so a bunch of people try to bring their things to the chicago historical society but they're like it's too crowded in here we have too much stuff so they're like closing the doors and

don't let people bring their things to that the rich people were also being saved by their friends so they could like you know walk to a different part of town and stay with friends At some point, there are rich neighborhoods that think that they're not going to get the fire. They think that they're safe. And one man says, like, his family's packing. He's like, don't pack. We're safe. He's like, let's make breakfast for as many people as we can make breakfast for it because we know people are going to be hungry in the morning.

And so, like, the servants were like panically cooking, but they ended up getting consumed by the fire anyway. Like, they lost their house too. It happens so fast. Another thing that rich people could do is they could leave. so now I like I never have cash I use my credit card all the time I can use it all over the world but in this time what you would do is if I had you know a house

in like a lake town in Chicago I would have a bank account there you know and that bank would have money in it so they could go and like we get money out of the bank in other parts of like around like Michigan so people were able to do that the poor people of course were just running with their stuff they were some of them some people after it was over

was sad that the poor were better off because they had less to lose. And you're like, no. That's not how that works. That's not how that works. They ended up in refugee camps. People got smallpox. Like, it's very sad. It was very, if you lost everything, you lost everything.

There are reports of, you know, obviously, this is something that, like, I was reading this right after the London fire. And in the London fire, how they were like, oh, only like six people died. But in the Chicago fire, like, people remember hearing like mothers crying because they can't find their children. Like, of course that happened in London, you know? Yeah. of course that happened in all these ancient fires carts were being filled and toppled over of course

there was looting like one guy was running and he saw a guy wearing his clothes because the guy had like looted his house and he was like fuck it you know better than have it burnt you know yeah so people ran all the way to lake michigan so lake michigan is cold even when it's hot have you ever been in lake michigan i've never been in it but i've been around it enough to be like that is a terrifyingly huge body of water like It has the same gravitas of an ocean. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and it's freezing. It's freezing all year long.

But people were running to Michigan, and they ran waist deep into the water. Just like, remember this year in Hawaii when people were running into the ocean? Yeah. It was just like that. And it was loud. The fire was like roaring and people were running

and like standing in the ocean. So I'm standing in the ocean, stood in the ocean for hours. And it was like freezing. and they were just watching the city burn with like fire flying above them there was a the jail was um everybody in jail was let go the mayor wrote a note and it said release all prisoners from jail at once keeping them in custody if possible and like they let everybody go for like petty crimes immediately and then they took the rest of them like with them and almost all of them just got away and just in the wind but they're like we're not going to let you burn it up here you know so just just go um and so so They had hoped that the fire would be stopped by the rivers because there's tons of rivers in Chicago, but they weren't. And it was because of the wind. And the shoreline, of course, had all the lumber yards and things like that because they needed to have access to the boats and all the things.

So the shoreline was very, very combustible. So I'm looking at this map and it looks like the fire would have jumped two rivers. Yes, it did. And you're saying the reason, I was going to ask about that, you're saying the reason that, happened was because they were there were lumber boats there yes not like yeah lumber yards are on the shores of the rivers and then it's so windy like the wind like just blew it blows like embers and burning things across the river so where they thought it might be able to stop it it was not able to um so i was actually around well the first okay the first river that it that it jumped

was around midnight so around midnight the flaming debris blew across the river and landed on the roof of the south side gas works so that like exploded you know yeah and that caused it to continue to spread it to the south side the mayor was roswell b mason it was his only term as mayor um but he did a bunch of calls for other cities to help and they did other cities sent their fire trucks um they were able to like get the word out but it didn't really help they were connecting to um to the waterworks So there was like a general waterworks that they could connect to. But the water, it was so hot. The water was just turned to steam when it came out of the hoses.

It just like didn't do anything. So because of the wind, there were also firewolds, like tornadoes of fire going through the city. And that ended up hitting the roof of the waterworks. So the waterworks caught on fire and all of the pumps went dry. So at some point a little bit after midnight, they couldn't even pretend to use their hoses for water anymore. didn't work this map is also really interesting because it shows where the fire started it literally just consumed everything above it yeah yeah everything below it is like totally fine it's fine including the o'leary's house um so after seeing the damage the fire marshal after the waterworks you know exploded and and was gone the fire marshal said i gave up all hopes of being able to save much of anything

it really couldn't do anything um a couple people did try to do those like fire breaks and one of them a man named James Hildreth was an alderman who had the idea to blow up buildings with gunpowder to try to stop it and create those like fire breaks um he did a couple i don't think it was ever like super successful um he got into an argument with a civil war hero named philip sheridan and um who was who was chopping buildings down with axes and so they kind of like there was a little bit of back and forth like i want to be in charge of doing this i want to be in charge of doing this and so there you know it doesn't no one really was able to make that fire break um It moved north across the lake. There was a big, a big, like, melee on the Randolph Street Bridge because that's what people were trying to, like, run across and run out of the city. A lot of stuff was, like happening, because people tried to leave. But luckily, the wind died down, because like we said before, these things just have to end.

You know, you can't, like, douse it with water. So on October 9th, it started to rain, and the fire slowly went out. The last house that the fire claimed was owned by a man named John A. Huck. so poor guy this house was the last one to go all in all about $222 million in damage which is one third of the total city's value at the time 2,000 lamp post 17,500 buildings 120 miles of sidewalk 73 miles of road and officially about 300 people died but probably more yeah I'm sure I'm sure because I would assume at that time like it's hard to keep tabs on people anyways you know exactly this is not like I IDs and whatever like it's probably not as prevalent. Yeah, if you lose your family, you like lose your family. You don't know where they are. Right. So the mayor

put the U.S. Army General in charge and put the city under martial law for two weeks to make sure that people weren't looting and weren't like hurting each other. There were roving police special units, citizen volunteers, just trying to make sure there wasn't any lawlessness. There was, deadly force was allowed if someone like didn't comply so it was kind of kind of crazy there for a while afterwards tons of aid came from all over the world so people were giving money from everywhere fDR's dad gave $5,000 um and a bunch of cities and individuals helped the money was managed by a charity that like

wasn't great it didn't it was one of those charities that was like oh we don't need to give them poor that much because they're always poor you're like no like you should help everyone but um it was eventually managed and doled out. And then they started to rebuild and they rebuilt better, like what happened before. And now that started a lot of what we see in Chicago with like the terracotta buildings. Obviously skyscrapers, the first skyscrapers were there. There was someone who was like, let's make an 11-story building because we're going to make the skeleton out of steel. And people were like, no, that's crazy.

You can never do that. So they had the opportunity then to do the beginnings of these things. And then by, you know, by, you know, the 1890s, they have, you know, that World's Fair. So things are pretty much rebuilt, you know, pretty quickly there. Mrs. O'Leary was never charged with anything. They did, like, bring her to court. And she was like, you know, I wasn't out in the barn. I would not have been milking my cow.

You know, I didn't do it. I didn't start it. Some people have, like, a theory that, like, a meteorite hit and, like, hit Chicago. And that's what happened or whatever. But it was like all those conditions to have a terrible fire. that we talk about they were all there isn't it it almost like not then for those people but like kind of now wasn't it like kind of like the best thing they could have happened in Chicago was a whole thing fucking burned to the ground and then they rebuilt it I know it feels yeah yeah I mean I kind of thing like yes like for these cities especially like the cusp of the industrial revolution where like you can start building things out of steel you know and you don't have to tear people people's houses down because they're already down yeah sure you know and it Obviously, Chicago, it continued to grow. The place where the O'Leary's barn is, in 1956, the Chicago Fire Academy was built on that site, and it's still there today.

So Chicago firefighters are trained on the spot that the Chicago fire started. That's so cool. Yeah. Yeah. And that's it. I'm going to look up the site of the O'Leary's farm. Chicago. They should have kept the barn.

I know. I'm sure it's just like, I don't know, you know, melt it away by now. Chicago Fire Academy, it's about soccer. Not soccer. Yeah, you know, I was going to ask about that. I was going through the Chicago Fire FC's Facebook page and was like, how has nobody said anything about this? I totally agree. No, I totally agree. Like that, it seems, it seems. ill it's like in it's like in like 200 years they call like a baseball team the 9-11 New Yorkers like it's like exactly little insensitive um but I guess so much time has passed that maybe they don't care yeah I know but it's that I know that's funny that like you know after this much time it can be something that's like funny and like ubiquitous with the word

Chicago when you're like I don't know we don't need it ubiquitous um man, there's so many of these. There's so many, like, horrible, horrible thoughts. I know. And a lot of them are, like, similar things. Like, you just have those, like, things are bad, and especially in these older, like, older cities. So I've read a Stephen King book a long time ago called Cell. It was about cell phones.

Like, well, something happened and, like, cell phones happened and there's, like, magic in it. And, like, whatever all this stuff happens. But, like, in his intro, he's like, I wrote this story thinking, could a modern city burn? Like, could a modern Boston burn down the way that, like, these things did? You know, and it has to, it has to be, like, tons of chaos and that people have to, like, be in on it. It was, like, his answer. And it was, you know, magical and mystical and all those things. But, but I don't know if that could, like, happen these days as much as, like, you can destroy it with, like, bombing.

Obviously, we see that all the time. But, like, I don't, the cities aren't really, like, made of wood in this way. I don't, I don't know, because I remember living in Los Angeles and it was like, do you remember, Taylor, that one day we were driving to, work and there's there was that huge building the apartment yeah it was a huge apartment complex it was mid construction and somebody torched it and you're just driving down and like what like that was incredible i but also it didn't spread you know it's true it didn't spread but it didn't spread because i think it was in the heart of downtown um but at the same time you look at like malibu for example where they'll have wildfires and

And, you know, it would be like pepper dines is the only thing that was saved because they create all these breaks and stuff. And like they planned for wildfire to happen there, which is like, do you remember that way? They were like telling people that telling their students not to go home and not to leave because they could get caught on the wallopr and they were safe with it. I mean, that's how you die. You die when you like try to run away. You know, like in your car. Oh, no, you're right. Because you're right.

But I was thinking like big city like Chicago, full of skyscrapers, I feel like no. But a smaller city, especially in California, all of our wildfires, definitely. Yeah, yeah. Terrifying. Absolutely terrifying. Cool. Lots of fun ways to die this week.

Yeah, clouds, you get fires. Let's see what we can cover next week. Unbelievable. Awesome. Well, thanks for sharing that, Taylor. I hope at some point we can get to the San Francisco fire, because I think I've probably recall correctly that also was an earthquake. It was literally just like hell opening up on Earth.

I think it was all connected. I think it was at 1904. earthquake turned to the fire, but I do, I will get to that for sure. I did actually, so I just am finishing up my two weeks off, but I prepped at least read books for three other episodes that I'm excited about. So I feel a little bit ahead. Fun. Yeah. Sweet. Cool. Well, if there's nothing else, we can go ahead and wrap again for usual. Please do write to us at doom the fell pot at gm.com. Find groups on socials. We love to hear from people. And we're doing a little bit of a later release this week than usual, given some issues.

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We need help. We need some help. It would be great. So, awesome. Well, thank you, Taylor. We'll go ahead and cut things. off there. In a matter of the people of the state of California

versus Hortthall James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. And we are off to a relatively late recording Taylor's yawning. I know. It's 7 o'clock and I'm yawning. We are mixing it up

this time, but we're here and we are doomed to fail. Yet again, the podcast with Taylor and Fars myself. I call myself Fars on a third person, covering random topics that we find interesting. And sometimes there's a common theme and most the time there isn't. Is that a fair enough

summarization? That's perfect. Tell your friends. Tell your friends. And I think given the fact that we kind of went off script with who goes first two times ago or last time, I think it's you this time, right, Taylor? Yes, I go first.

Sweet. Do you want to you know, I'm going to be able to guess or are you going to do this? Oh, I haven't thought about. Okay. I have a, this is going to be in two parts. Okay, I'm going to have you guess. I will have you guess. This is in two parts because it's two disasters right after each other. Hiroshima and Nagasaki

No, but we should do that sometime No, it's in the same place And One thing is because of Hectonic plates shifting And the other thing is just like the aftermath San Francisco Yes

Thank you I guess that was I gave up That was easy Okay So because this is such a long story And so much happened in the You know With the earthquake and

the fire i i'm going to do it in two parts so i'm going to start with the earthquake a little bit of the history of san francisco and california um but you know what this reminded me of that i i just think is like so freaking funny you know that song the song we built the city yeah on rock and roll so there's a gq article um called an oral history of we built the city the worst song of all time and it's so funny i will link to it but it's like the people who made it are like i don't want to shut up i can't believe it's still on it's still on on the radio like we're really excited because you can be a lot of money but like oh my god we're so embarrassed and then like one guy's like it was the best song on that album how can it be the worst

song ever and then like it's just everyone's mad like everyone was like fighting when they're making it the guy who does the DJ part you know where he's like the city that never sleeps the city that rocks he is so embarrassed he like he's like he did one take and then through his headphones and he was like fuck you guys like everyone was just so mad and it's a really hilarious read so I will link to that I love I love when bands like hate each other like the oasis brother The fact that they, like, literally get into, like, fistfights every time they record is, like, the funniest thing to me. Totally. That's like, I think that's the only say I'm just a good song, I know, but that was just so funny.

So, and lest anyone thinks that I think California is perfect and has no blemishes upon her history. I'm going to talk a little bit about how California became a state and how it grew and then address the historical precedent of the Supreme Court case, the United States versus Wong. King, Kim Ark. And then we'll talk about what was happening right up into the earthquake in 1906. Wait, so is this a two-part series? Yeah. Oh, okay. Cool. All right. And then we'll do the fire next week. Sweet. When you said it's in two parts, I thought you're, I thought you meant the way I do it with like act one, act two. Oh, no. Okay. I'm literally two times. Mini series. Yeah, that's a mini series. So have you been to San Francisco? Yeah, been a few times. Yeah.

I've never really been. I went to Oakland a month ago, but I never, I don't think I've ever, like, stepped foot in San Francisco. I've been to, like, the airport, you know? The only time, no, I've only had my car broken in twice. Once was in college, and the other time was when we were working at our last company together, and they told me I had to go to San Francisco for some conference, and I parked across in, like, the major park, I don't know what it's called, but my car got broken into.

It was awful. Oh, I'm sorry. You drove there? It's on craft. Well, it was from L.A. Yeah, still, I know, I know, but still. Yeah, yeah, right, okay. Yeah, because California's huge.

I don't even drive from Texas. Jesus, I would take you like seven days. That would be terrible. No, don't do that. So, before the arrival of the Europeans, San Francisco area was home of the Olone tribe. They lived there for thousands of years. They had, you know, many different languages,

different little groups, and they were mostly hunter-gatherers, but they did have some, a little bit of, like, small gardens. They didn't have, like, huge fields, but they had, like, a little bit of agriculture. So they lived there, you know, for thousands of years until Europeans came in, and the people that came to that part of California were the Spanish, because it was part of, of the Spanish colonies on the United States. And in 1776, the Spanish explorers established a mission called, I apologize right now to my in-laws and every Hispanic person when I say this, it's the Presidio of San Francisco, wait, and the mission of San Francisco de Assis, known as Mission Dolores. So maybe that wasn't that too bad. The Mission Dolores is what it was called. So it was like a local mission. And it was meant to convert the Olonis into Christians, of course. That was their goal. Yeah. Let's make everybody question. Why not? So Mexico gained control of California, the state, like our area, in 1821, once after it won independence from Spain, which we've talked about. So Mexico becomes its own country. California is part of that country of Mexico. And what they would do... Wait, hold on. California was part of Mexico. Yeah, it was like all, like California was part of Mexico and like that part of Texas. Then enter the Mexican-American War. in 1846 to 1848, where the United States, like, took over Canada and then, like, later got Texas after.

Canada? Not Canada. I'm so sorry. California. Okay. People, we're not historians. Did you see how pink my face is? I feel like I got sunburn doing our cookie.

You're flush, and I felt like it was like you might be drinking something. I'm not. I'm drinking tea, but I think I got a little sunburn today selling cookies outside of the Walmart, so I just feel a little pink. I guess it's cute. It's cute. And I have the Zoom glow on. It's like you have blush on. I think that's what we'll call it.

Yeah. It is. Great job. So, okay. I'm going to say California. So California is now part of the United States. And they became part of the United States because of the Mexican-American War. And then there was a ceasefire agreed in January 1847.

So the Mexican-American War ended with the Treaty of Guadalupe Haldago in 1848. And the treaty had Mexico seated present-day California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and parts of Nevada, Utah, Colorado, and Wyoming. So it was a huge land after that one. Yeah, big get after that. It's like when you do like double war playing war with cards and you get like a king and an ace. And so that's happening in and they're trying to figure out what, like how to do. do it like you can't just like it doesn't happen overnight they're trying to figure out the different treaties and in the meantime um so that treaty was signed 1848 so possibly right before it was signed or possibly

right after it was signed um but there was gold found in a place called Sutter's mill and the Sierra Nevada foothills near Coloma California that where it is it is now and when they found the gold and then people rushed that's the gold rush which I feel like we should talk about I'm sure it has some like fun stories in it but essentially that's when the population of California really started to boom because of a prospect of gold and the people who were digging for gold do you remember what they're called gold diggers well no 49ers a person digging gold and I didn't I was like why is that like why are they called that and it's just because they mostly came in 1849 oh well there you go that makes sense like when did

you come here 49 you know for the gold so um by this This time, you know, so it's 1849, tons of people are moving to California from the other parts of the U.S. for gold, for opportunity, for all the things. And then California officially became a state in 1850. So on September 9th, 1850, President Miller Fillmore signed resolution to get California in. It was the 31st state in the United States. So that was also a part of the 1850 compromise because there was still, this was pre-sophobic. war and they were trying to figure out how they can add new states and

what states will allow enslaved people, which states won't. So California was admitted as a free state, but there was still a pretty terrible and strict fugitive slave law that if you ran away from being enslaved to

California, they would send you back. California would send you back. Yeah. Like it wasn't a safe place. Like I think, I think, and who was it free for? you couldn't like start new you know you couldn't like have slaves there but you also like also wasn't a safe place for them like I think like New York might have been or like some of the other like northern places were like a safe place that you could essentially like run away to but you couldn't run away to California you could get so that's where we are we are in California and there's like tension over over that but we are our own state and there is going to be like some pretty big like racial tension things happening in California in the United States then and now and always. But in California

there was specifically a ton of racism towards Chinese people. Obviously like this sounds really stupid when I say it out loud but I feel like it's much easier to get to it. This is not dumb. Like it's easy to get to the west coast from China. Like it's harder to get to. New York. You know, like, so people were coming from China. Right? Like, if you have a boat. I feel like that's why there's more than these people. If you have a boat, you think that it's easier to get across the Pacific Ocean? Yeah, then get to New York, because you'd have to go down the Cape, the bottom. Okay, okay, okay, fine. And they're around. In that context, it is easier to get there than it is. Yeah, okay. Yeah. I'm not saying like now, but I'm saying like then. I'm like,

that's why there was like integration from Asia. in the war on the West Coast. I don't know if that's true. I'm sorry. Okay, but there's a huge increase of Chinese immigration in the 1850s and 1860s. So there was a guy who was the mayor of San Francisco until 1902. He was also a U.S. senator named James D. Phelan. And he campaigned under the slogan,

Keep California White because he wanted to stop immigration. He has some real bad posters that show like, a hand from the east trying to grab California. So it's not great. So that there's a lot of tension kind of happening there. Meanwhile, literally like all technology was invented, like right there in San Francisco. So the Chinese immigrants were, you know, a ton of them worked on like the Transcontinental Railroad. They did a bunch of, you know, a lot of manual labor.

They had their own, like, community in San Francisco and in other places. it's like now they're the Chinatown in like most big cities, you know. And a lot of that was because they were like isolated. They were the other. It's an easy to see other. You know, like you can, people would, you know, obviously treat them differently. And it got real bad. In 1882 was the first Chinese Exclusion Act. So you could no longer immigrate to the United States from China. They blocked people coming from China at all. And then there was an act that there were a couple more acts that kept renewing the exclusion act. So it was actually law until like the 19, into 1943, you couldn't immigrate to the United States

from China without like special circumstances or whatever. And oh my gosh, did you take a citizenship law class when you were in law school? No. I think, I mean, I'm a naturalized. I was naturalized. So I've done the process. It's confusing as shit reading this Wikipedia page about it. So please.

Wait, which? What's confusing about it? Well, like, there's just like a lot. No, no, no, not the test, but like the law around citizenship is like very complicated. But one of the things that came up, especially specifically in San Francisco during this time, is the 14th Amendment. Do you know what that one is? Also, amendments are just like a sentence. They're like very long and complicated.

But the 13th amendment was to repeal slavery. And then the 14th was about citizenship. because this is simplifying it, but like all of a sudden you have freed a huge, huge population of people and before they had no rights and they were not even considered American. So you have to be like, they are now U.S. citizens and they had to figure out like why and how they would be able to like do that, you know. So that's what the 14th Amendment. Yeah, I never thought about that.

But yeah, makes sense. So one of the things in the 14th Amendment is that if you are born on American soil, you are a U.S. citizen. So I think we've heard that like a bunch of always. So there is a man named Wong Kim Ark. And he is born around 1873 in San Francisco. His parents are Wang Siping and Li Wei. They immigrated from China, but they weren't U.S. citizens.

But they lived in San Francisco. They had a business. And they were like, it was before the Chinese exclusion act. They were able to live in California and have their business and, like, you know, contribute to the community, all the things like they lived there. But then they decided to move back to China. So his parents moved back to China and Wong would visit them and he visited them a couple times. He actually got married to a woman in China and they had a couple of kids, but he couldn't bring them to the United States because of the Chinese Exclusion Act. So he would like visit, like visit them and was trying to figure out how to get them into the United States.

So in November 1894, Wong goes to China to visit his family, and he stays there for about a year, and he comes back in August 1895. And he's a U.S. citizen. He has a U.S. passport. He was born here, all the things. And they were like, nah, they decided that they didn't want to let him back in. And they kept him, this is like, sounds fucking terrible, on a boat in the San Francisco port for five months, like while they were trying to figure out what you. do with him was that that would have been federal report federal right like i think so well it ended up it was like a state thing first and ended up going to the supreme court the u.s supreme court

um to to figure out like what to do and he was ended up being allowed um to stay and it is the law of ju sully j-u s o'll i which means right of the soil which is like the what had what they ended up putting in the, I ended up clarifying in the 14th Amendment meant if you're born on U.S. soil, you are a U.S. citizen. They were asked to the question that the Supreme Court was essentially asked is, this is a quote, kind of long, but whether a child born in the United States of parents of Chinese descent, who at time of his birth are subjects to the emperor of China would have a permanent domicile and residence in United States and are there carrying on business and are not employed in a diplomatic or official capacity under the emperor of China

becomes at the time of his birth, a citizen of the United States. And so they voted that that was yes. And he was allowed to say. And eventually he did get his family involved. His son fought in World War II. So they ended up, you know, staying in America. But that was like a big case to kind of clarify one of the points of the 14th Amendment. You know what's interesting is when I took my American citizenship, they told me to like renounce, quote unquote, my Iranian citizenship.

But I had no Iranian. like there was no legal document of that because in iran it's um it's not like that concept you just articulated which is like you're born here because i wasn't born in iran because to them my blood is iranian because my parents are iranians like they don't give a shit what what citizenship paper i have it's like you are blood iranian so like they don't i mean that's that's literally why i don't go back and why i'll never go back is because they could like oh this is your american passport go fuck yourself like it doesn't really matter totally and i think i was trying to understand it like very quickly but there are like other things that are like that like you know some countries

are like you are the citizenship of like your parents blood you know if you're not it's not because you're here yeah america's actually like weirdly lax about that compared to like other places yeah i never i never thought about it like what it means other places the only thing i ever thought about is like if you're born somewhere else you can't be president yeah yeah that was drilled into me when I was young I was like I'm going to be president one day I was just like a bushy-tailed little little fars and yeah it's not going to happen well when one of my kids becomes president either one I think could do it um I'm going to give ghost tours of the white house so you're welcome to join me if you like um they're going to be at night and it's going to be really fun

and the secret surf is going to hate hate it they they had my vote whichever one runs thank you thank you they'll be great um so But yeah, so that's what's happening. There's like a lot of racial tension in California in San Francisco. The city is very divided on like different like class areas. But let's talk a little bit about San Francisco, which is where we know the earthquakes are, obviously. Of course. Everyone knows that.

What I didn't know is that a lot of San Francisco, at least like the mission area and like some other areas are built like on piles of trash. because people would like literally get so excited to come to California for gold that they would like drive their boat into the beach and just leave it you know and then they'd go and then they were so there was like trash and like buildings and stuff and they were just kind like piled up over you know many years and then they built a lot of the city on top of that trash pile which like they do like there's like fill land in like New York City like where they extend the the shoreline to be able to build on top of it But, like, a lot of San Francisco, like, wasn't even built on bedrock.

So it was definitely, like, not a super safe thing to do in a place with earthquakes. When we were living in L.A., didn't they have – was there a story in San Francisco about this, like, luxury condo high-rise, like, multi-million dollar condos? And it was, like, leaning. And so, like, everybody had to, like, evacuate or something. Do you remember this? I don't remember, but I believe that. Yeah.

Yeah. It was something about how, like, it was – there was not built on bedrock because of that. And when is the, okay, anyways, it was, yeah, no, exactly. Yeah. So, like, that's not safe. You should, you should get a stick and put in your yard and make sure that you hit bedrock before you go to sleep tonight, just so you know that you're safe. Yes, listeners in San Francisco, just get out of your condo.

Everybody. Everybody should do it. But San Francisco, because of the gold rush, because of all these things, it is now 1906. It is the biggest city west of St. Louis. There are 400,000 people living in San Francisco in 1906. it is April specifically 1906 and it has been very dry of course like that's kind of what you need to have a disaster like a fire and a lot of the buildings are made of wood San Francisco really hadn't had like a huge devastating fire so places like Chicago when that was in the 1870s like they've already rebuilt and rebuilt better but San Francisco didn't really have that and when they did have things like there were many earthquakes and like fires and all the things that happen but when those things happened um they would pass new laws that were like now we have to build buildings better but

they never retroactively went back and changed the older buildings yeah you know um i mean because i mean that's fair it sounds like a lot of work like no one wants to do it but um it made it you know the tinderbox that it ended up being during this time it's also and this is also another thing that feel as stupid that I didn't think about, but like, duh, San Francisco has a bunch of hills because of the tautonic plates. Like, I get it now. Like that, I don't know. I never thought like the hillyness of it is because of like the earthquakes that have

been in San Francisco for. What is it? What is it? What is the fact that there's several that converge there? Like what? It's just the biggest one. So the San Andreas fault is the one that like goes up California, as we know. And it is the Pacific and the North American plates.

And the way that they are next to each other, so like we learned this in the volcano series that like, this is a visual portion. So I have two plates. If I go down with one and up with the other, then I can create like a volcano and like mountain ranges like the Himalayas. Right. You know, because then I'm going like making these huge cracks in the earth and like that, that's huge. Or I can have two tech kind of plates that rub against each other. Like I think I said this before, but this is the example that stuck with me in a book that I read about. he knows is um it's like when you are parallel parking and you're and you're like next to

the curb and it kind of squeaks you know that's what that's what the san andreas fault is so it is just those two kind of pushing against each other so it's kind of like it's kind of like rumbles it's not going to make Himalayas anytime soon but it is going to make like little hills because it does all the rumbling and like kind of smushing as each other makes sense I think I'm sorry well no the reason I bring it up is because it's like obvious like San Francisco is the scariest part of the world, I think, when it comes to earthquakes or the assumption of what's going to happen in San Francisco. But it's like, they're everywhere, but it sounds like it's because it's, like you said, it's the biggest one. And probably one thing I heard is that the pressure there has been building up for a lot longer than anywhere else and hasn't been actually really released yet. And so that's probably one of the other reasons why it's the scariest. Because when it does release, it's going to release a show. shit ton of energy. Totally. Absolutely. Yeah. That totally makes sense. So, but because

of the hills, and again, like, I always think about people who live on, like, a hill in San Francisco, and I'm like, that sounds terrible. Like, I live on a hill, and it's exhausting. Like, I, when I walk to the bottom, I have to walk back up, I'm like, it's not even that big of a hill. You drive up, you

drive up the hill? In San Francisco? No, you? No, I know. I go for walks. Okay, okay, fine, fine. okay um but i'm saying you're not walking down to the bottom of the hill for the market i know that sounds terrible yeah i'm saying that sounds awful yeah um so it's also then hard to get water to those places because of the pressure and like going like up the pressure going up a hill and like all of this so just like keep in mind it's hard to get water to different places in san francisco everything's made of wood and it has been

very dry um but nevertheless the fire department is really fucking great It is as good as it can be for this time in history. So it is, they have over 500 full-time firefighters. So it's not volunteers. It's like people who it's their job. They have like stations all over the city. They don't, there's, it's all horse-drawn carriages right now, but, you know, they are, you know, they're ready for, for everything. The fire chief, his name was Dennis T. Sullivan.

He was 53 years old and he was very proud of what he had done, which totally is, it's, absolutely makes sense because, like, they work really, really hard. The fire chief from Denver, Colorado, happened to be in town on this night. So this is the night of April 17th, 1906. And he was like, the buildings were all wood. This place is going to, like, unbelievably catch on fire. But then he met with Chief Sullivan, and he was like, no, actually, everything's going to be fine because you guys are half-notch firefighters. Like, this is the best it can possibly be.

So they, the fire department. had, of course, like, been at a fire the night before. They had, there's, it's the same thing that we heard in, like, Chicago, like, you know, a building full of paper is going to catch on fire, you know? There's just, there's so much reliance on fire. There was actually, um, parts of San Francisco had been fitted with electricity. So, um, there were, like, some, like, electric street lamps and a lot of businesses had electricity, but most residential houses still had just, like, gas for their lighting.

If they did, like, convert a, gas power home to electricity they would like this sounds so unbelievably unsafe but they would just like instead of putting the wires in the walls they would just like hang the wires along the top of the top of the wall you know so like plenty of opportunity for shit to catch on fire you know i kind of get it yeah so okay it's april 17th the night before and this is like when you think the night before a disaster you just remember everything from it You know, like, you would never remember that night until the disaster happens the next day. And then you'll never forget what happened during that night. Does that make sense? Like, like, I remember, like, September 10th to the day before September 11th, it rained a ton. I remember what I was wearing. I remember I went to, yeah, I was, it was pouring rain.

And, like, I was super poor because I was in college. I didn't have any money. And I was wearing these, like, bell-bottom jeans and these, like, huge shoes that I got in Germany. And, like, but they were, like, soaked to my knees. And I had, um, I had. bought a bunch of bagels at our bagel store had a 25 cent bagels Monday nights so I bought a bunch of them I had in my backpack it was raining so hard I usually walked like a mile and a half to my apartment but I couldn't do it because it was so raining so hard so I took the train I remember sitting

on the train and like a little girl told me she like she liked my backpack I remember all that happening I went to my house I cut all the bagels in half I put them all in the freezer and wrote September 10th on all of them and then you know then I remember hanging my jeans in the back in my chair because they were wet. I went on like AIM and was mad because a boy like didn't message me like everything because the next day was September 11th and then then I remember that you know what I mean? You're like that's the last time that I felt that's the last last time I was before this event in my life you know that amount of details and tense like you remember a lot of details well I have a good memory but also like I just feel like it just it's just like that's that was

like the last time I was the person who hadn't been through that, you know? Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense. Someone else. So there's a lot of stories of the night before the earthquake of people being like, you know, I did this and it felt normal or like kids being like, oh, I went to my friend's house. Then I came home and I went to sleep and then you just like remember those things. It was a big opera night in San Francisco. There were, there was a opera of Carmen and everybody loved it. And so there were a lot of people like out doing like fancy things the night before. San Francisco also has a, I'm sure it's probably, it's like all big cities, but there's a ton of hotels and people who would like live in like rented rooms and just kind of like, you know,

stay in a place for a short amount of time and then go somewhere else. So there's a ton of that happening. And so it was a very, very nice night. Actually, a couple, I think a couple days before this, Mount Vosuvius had erupted. And people in the Italian section of San Francisco were raising money to send back to Italy to help people. And so everything was normal. A Except some horses started to act weird because they always know. Yeah. So people were like, especially in the middle of the night, people were like, I don't know, my horse is like kind of going crazy. And I don't really know why.

And I have a bunch of like anecdotal stories about the earthquake from the book that I'm reading. It's called The Longest Minute. So I'll put that in the notes as well. But the earthquake struck at 512 a.m. on April 18, 1906. the epicenter was actually in the water so like they couldn't they didn't know where it was for a while but like it happened in in the water and there's a story of a dude who was swimming and he like he was like things are weird like he was like going for his like morning swim and he tried to go to the beach and like put his shoes on and he couldn't get like falling over because he was like what is happening

you know like it's just like it's confusing have you you felt earth cuts when you were here right oh yeah and it's just confusing it's very confusing your equilibrium is often a way that you your brain cannot pop around. Also, what a fucking psychopath. Can you imagine waking up in the morning? If 5 o'clock in the morning going to an empty beach and swimming into the middle of the... What a lunatic

that guy is. A hundred percent. We were just talking last night. My husband wants like an ice plunge and I'm like, you're an insane person. But, yes. Those are fun. One, I do support this. So I did it consecutively for three days. And then I realized I'm like, I'm not strong enough to keep doing this, but I really, it really did feel amazing. It really felt like a new thing in her body was like unlocking and a new endorphin rush was

happening. So that's what I think that guy was trying to do. Like it was nuts. 5 a.m. Taylor, 5 a.m. says, what a scary time to go to the, to go to San Francisco Bay? I know. I think maybe in general, sleeping in the San Francisco Bay, it sounds terrifying. So that's a bad idea. But he was like, but anyway, that's what he remembered.

So the earthquake lasted 42 seconds, which is really long. You know, some people were like, it felt like, you know, a day. Like, just 42 seconds. It was a 7.9 on the Richter scale, which is, I mean, it's like, another scale. On the other scale, it's just like extreme, you know, like crazy. The Richter's cell actually wasn't invented until a couple decades later, but in retrospect, it was a 7.9. Yeah. I just used huge.

It was felt all the way down in Los Angeles over in Nevada, which just makes a lot of, sense because it's right next door. The Winchester Mystery House lost some of its floors, as we talked about before. And they were never rebuilt, which is why they have staircases that go to nowhere. We talked about that before. So a few earthquake reminders for myself and you, in case there's ever earthquake in Texas, and everyone else. So these are the ones I have so far. I'll probably have more. One of them is always put shoes under your bed because the glass in your house is going to fall and break. So you need to be able to, like, leave your home and not cut your feet. So you should have shoes under your bed to be able to do that. You also need a crowbar to get

out of your room potentially and out of your house because, like, the whole house can shift and you can't open doors anymore. So get a crowbar. And then also, as soon as the earthquake is done, as much as you can, just like fill every, like fill your bathtub with water, fill every pot with water because you just like don't know when what might happen with the water. It could definitely be cut off, like, ASAP. So, that's my three things so far. Do you have a crowbar under your bed? I don't, but I should get one.

Yeah, you really, really should. I don't have a fuse in my bed either, but I know that I need to do that. So earthquakes, again, they're super loud. It's the buildings, it's the earth. It's, like, confusing and crazy. I'll talk about the death toll from both disasters next week, but a lot of people died in their beds from their chimneys falling on them. Like a lot of people died that way because most houses had like a brick chimney and those are like the first things to fall. So a lot of people

died that way. A lot of people died and you don't know, like we'll never know what happened to them. You know, like there's like people heard screaming in rubble and then screaming stopped. So you don't know what happened to that person. You know, so many people who just like probably woke up and were like everything's shaking what's going on and then they were dead or they were trapped for days. like we'll never know like it's like really like horrible things and a lot of people who were in like hotels some of them were like just in town for something and they no one knew who they were you know so they were just like a lot of unaccounted for like dead bodies and things like that that people were just like you didn't have to like identification all of that happened too so a lot

of people a ton of people died in the initial earthquake itself um one of the things that one of the stories that i heard that's just so fucking terrible so a couple people people got caught in Murphy beds, you know, those beds that, like, go down and God. And so, like, some of them died. And some of them were, you know, the front, like, they would be visiting someone, be in the Murphy bed and then be like, the, the friends would be like, oh, my God, we have to go check on our guests, you know. And, like, they would get them out and they were, like, nearly suffocating. The one, the one story that I heard that's absolutely the worst is a man and his wife. They're both in their 60s. And as soon as the earthquake started,

the man sat up and then the Murphy bed closed and broke his neck and when the people who live in the house went to go see them they found them the wife was alive and like almost suffocated that's horrific that's like being raped into a wall

just like so so terrible so a lot of people died that way and then also this actually kind of reminded me of the Kansas City Hyatt that you talked about because some of the hotels like all of a sudden the fourth floor would be like on the first floor you know what I mean like it just like pancake the floors below it and so people were drowning in the rubble that happened there you know because like they had like the water mains were breaking and so people some people drowned you know some people were crushed you don't really know some people like you know burned right away but you'd hear screaming or you know there's you know you know someone would yell like there's three people here trapped and then they were just like you just never

heard from them again you know like they you know died there together somehow um so it is still really early in the morning and one thing that happens right away so the fire chief chief Sullivan he had been in a big fire the day before and when he came home he didn't want to um wake up his wife so he slept on the couch like in another room so when the earthquake happened he got out of got off the couch and went to go into the bedroom to see if his wife was okay and when he opened the door he didn't realize that the um there was no floor in the bedroom because the building next door had collapsed into the bedroom so he did one step and he fell several stories down and he was caught and when they found him he was still alive but he was like um getting like pummeled with like

hot water from like a pipes who was like getting those burns from the water and they got him out and then they were like he was like got to have my wife have to have my wife and they found her and she was okay her bed had fallen two stories and she was just like wrapped in her bed and actually ended up being fine which is crazy um so now people are like what do we what are like people are trying to like figure out what to do everyone's standing outside and now it's quiet you know people are just like confused a lot of people are like in different states of undress because they were sleeping you know so some people like they only have like a nightgown and some people like only have like one or two things and you know they're trying to find their

children so there's people are crying and trying and looking around and they you know people are like sitting in the park together but they're all like just everybody's is confused um there's like rubble everywhere and then um almost immediately that's when the fires start um because of all sorts of different reasons so we will talk about the fire that actually just destroyed most of San Francisco next time. So can I tell you that I, so do you remember you had a friend who had a friend who had an apartment that he was subleasing in Los Feliz and we had never met before, but we knew we were going to start work at the same time together.

And so you, I was like, I don't know where to live. You were going to Airbnb be a place, but you introduced me to this guy and I ended up subleasing his apartment. And that was the first time I experienced an earthquake where I, I, you know, I was. I don't remember what time it was, but it was early. I think it was like two, three o'clock of the morning or something along those lines. And I remember, like, the bed shaking and kind of moving, quivering towards the center of the room. And you wake up and you're like, you're playing can't even process what's happening.

Yeah. Yeah. You remember that earthquake? That would have been in 2013. Do you remember that one? You were in an Airbnb. It happened. I was not going to be for the first month.

It was during that month. I think it was probably during that month, like February, March. I don't remember. I remember one in L.A. We were like, one and I were watching TV and, like, we just, like, look to each other. And we were like, what's happening? Because it's just, like, loud and confusing. I felt a couple, like, little ones here out in, out in Joshua Tree.

But, yeah, but it's confusing. And a lot of people in San Francisco, like, some people went back to bed, you know, because they, like, kind of woke them up or whatever, and they were confused. And if their house wasn't literally falling on them, you know, they just, like, Yeah, like, that's the thing, like, earthquakes have, like, a weirdly scary effect to me because, okay, like, I lived in Florida, lived in Texas. Like, I've been through hurricane season and through tornadoes, but earthquakes, like, so. Super surreal. Like, in the, so another, like, memory that someone had from San Francisco is, like, you know, you're watching the road roll like a wave, you know?

like that's you're like that's not that's not supposed to happen you know it's the fact that it can happen anytime there's like no warnings ever no matter how advanced science gets there's never going to be warnings for it it's just okay so like hurricane season in Miami I was like you you knew a hurricane was coming in and you could like decide for yourself like how big video is this am I in the vacuum or am I not tornadoes they're not really that horrible anyways and if If they are, you just go into the bathroom and whatever. Like, an earthquake can, like, bring down the entire building on your head. And I don't know.

It's just so scary. Like, one of the, when I left, when I left California, I actually had a tangible thought, like, I at least I don't have to think about that anymore. Because they always told us in L.A., they always told us, remember this? Like, the big one's coming, the big ones coming in. Oh, yeah, there are those signs. So I have, like, a, like, a first aid kit that, like, has a bunch of stuff in it. And, like, we're supposed to have a lot of extra water and, like, things like that. shoes and pro bars remember yeah because it's also gonna cut you off from like everything and so like

in san francisco immediately after it happened all communication was cut off because all of the like lines broke so that's gonna be a problem coming up in the fire because they can't tell everybody you should have like all your identification like photocopy and like the cars and everything else and like had jugs of water everywhere and i don't know like it's scary i mean you're less at risk in Joshua Tree than in San Francisco, obviously, but still. Yeah, and I feel like, but yeah, like, if you, the idea of a building falling down is so scary, you know? Like, if you're, like, in those things and, like,

also, okay, so it also, because some of the buildings that have been destroyed in San Francisco during this earthquake are ones that were earthquake proof, you know? And you're like, that's not a fucking thing, dude. You know? So, like, one of the, um, the nicest hotel in town was the palace hotel at this time and there were people it did not collapse and so like there were a lot of rich people in the lobby like eating rolls and drinking coffee and being like what do we do

trying to figure it out but um I remember when I worked at a hedge fund in New York I was on the 37th floor of a building and we would have I'm sure I told this before but we would have like a fire draw like once a quarter with the fire people and they'd be like okay if there's a fire you go to the 34th floor because that one's fireproof and I was like you go fuck yourself I'm going outside like what are you talking about? I'm going to the 34th floor because it's like allegedly fireproof. No, I'm going outside. I'm walking away.

Fireproof, unsinkable. Like, these are words that you're here. You're like, I'm like, I'm not looking to have my own personal fire extinguisher and run out of this building. I'm like, that's so, yeah. Well, crazy. Yeah, so things are confusing. Things are scary and body catch on fire. I also predicted this whenever you were doing the Chicago fire.

I was like, it's got to be the San Francisco fire. Well, yeah, of course, I was going to have to do it eventually. Yeah. Of course, you're going to have to do it. The Daily, the New York Times podcast, did an episode recently, and you, like, kind of reminded me of it because you talk about China and San Francisco because they talked about how, like, the government in China is, like, making it so unpalatable for people that there's a guy who, like, gone into an argument with the government there because they destroyed his business, whatever, a bunch of stuff happened. And he had to, he couldn't come to the United States directly. He had nowhere to go, but he was like, the United States is the only place I can go. So, like, but you can't go directly there.

So what he had to do was to fly to Ecuador with his daughter and then walk from Ecuador through Texas, like, which I don't even know how far that is, but like he knew he was going to get arrested. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was doing to do it. He knew what was happening. Anyways, it was, um, it was, um, long story short, they shipped him to San Francisco while he's pending court trials and all that stuff. But anyways, um, it's riding me of that. But yeah. Um, yeah. Um, so. Um, yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah. Yeah, that's it for now. I'm looking forward to hearing the rest of this. Do we have anything we need to read out? I do.

I do. I have something fun. So my friend Morgan, who I told you, I mentioned that she had just started listening. She's really excited. And I think she's listened to all of them. She's like, I just finished episode one. Like, she's a champ. She listened to us constantly.

Thanks, Morgan. But she used to work at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. in New York. I forgot that she had done that. Hey, you got engaged there. I got engaged in the MoMA, but. Close enough. So she, thank you for remembering. So some fun things that happened while she worked at the Met.

This is like in reference to the Mona Lisa and like art heists. But she said that the Thomas Crown Affair, the interior in the Thomas Crown Affair, where they tell you that they're at the Met Museum. They're actually in the New York Public Library because of the museum director thought that it would give thieves ideas on how to steal things out of the, museum. And I was like, do you think that's true? And she was like, no, no, no one was watching Thomas Crown and being like, I'm going to do that. You know, like, I wouldn't put it past. Very few people are following through on their art heist, you know.

And she also said that one time someone had emailed in into an inbox that she was monitoring and they have been questions because they're writing a heist book and she wasn't allowed to answer them. I just like, they're worried about it. And then she said, actually most of the frames at the Met are actually just like pieces of art themselves like the graham talked about how like some people had like been just got in trouble for like stealing the frame of a painting but but that was cool and then she also had one more art history thing that was fun is that ancient Egyptians used egg-based paints as well so we talked about that that's what Leo used on the last supper and there's a problem because birds can still smell

the egg and they're pecking way at the walls wait the walls of what Like, these, like, buildings in the Egypt where they had used the egg paint. Oh, and the outside's okay. I thought you meant, like, the paintings. I was like, why are they, why are there birds in the art gal? So I think just like outside. But that's fun. And I was so jealous that she worked at the Met, so that's super cool.

That was a really, really cool job. That was a really, really cool job. I've been there, I've been there once. I had never done New York, right? And I know. I should, I should at some point. Yeah. I also, when I was, I'll take you there.

My, I was little, I loved the book of the mixed-up files of Mrs. Baselie Frank Weller. I have it here. It's like about his brother and sister who go on a field trip to the Met and they stay there. They like hide and they sleep in like the nice, like the big grand bedrooms at night. And they find like a missing statue. And like, it's just like really fun and adventurous.

And I always loved that book so much. So I was so excited when I finally got to go. We did that when we're kids. When we're kids like, I guess, Yeah, we've been elementary schools in Dallas. We have a Dallas Science Museum. That's where the Omni thing is, like, it's really cool. I really love it.

They have, like, dinosaur stuff there. And they have, they'll have kids spend the night, like, once a year. I did that in Chicago. It was so fun. That was, like, probably my best chop in memory. I did it in the Natural History Museum or the Museum of Natural History in Chicago. And that'd be incredible. I can't imagine how, like, this world.

famous. They turned off the lights and we gave us flashlights and let us just go play. And then we would like, we'd like turn a corner and they'd be like a mummy and we would like all scream. And they had like something where they were like pretending there was a ghost and just like all this stuff. And I'm like, I can't believe I've got to do that. That was so fun.

God, so cool. Wow. Man. To go back to elementary school. So, okay. So next week we're going to cover the actual fire itself. But so far we're through the, through the conception of California, through its acquisition and now a little bit of history yeah and it's so it's about let's say it's about

520 so it's been a.m. on april 18th 1906 you're outside the earthquake just happened you've been sitting outside for like five minutes you're super confused um and then you start to see smoke you're in your night gown wearing your like you're in your 90 wearing like that nana hat that's like big home like in the old days you're holding like the one thing that you thought to bring, like the guy who was actually the main singer in the opera Carmen at that night, he had a signed picture of Teddy Roosevelt

in his hotel room, and that's what he saved. Which is fair. I say that too. So, everyone's outside holding their one thing and, like, super confused. Well, join us next week when we cover the actual fire of San Francisco. Oh, looking forward to it.

Sweet teller, well, go ahead and cut us off, and I'll see you in 20 minutes last week. Cheers. It's a matter of the people of the state of California versus Hortonthal James Simpson, case number B.A.019. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.

And we're back. For another episode of Doom to Phil, which that means I didn't introduce introductions properly. I'm bars joined here by Taylor and Taylor. you're you're did you just change between recordings no I don't wait I took my sweatshirt off because I'm getting hot oh then we're trying to do wardrobe change in between recordings um sweet and we're back to a new topic where this is going to be a tailor joint and she's going to play the regular game of me guessing what she's going to cover and I'm going to be wrong I mean you know what I'm going to cover because I cover the first half last week San Francisco fire

yes um so okay i feel like i got like 70% of the way there and then the book i was reading was just like so long that i was like i want to die i was listening to it at 2.5 speed last night and i was like this i have this has to end so um i feel like my ending of this and i'm not going to land this as much as i want to but we'll we'll talk about it so before we go and kind of recap last week and talk about the fire i'm going to send you a picture can i send it in the chat in this um i don't know but if not you can send them slack it's a link i linked it twice i'm like i'm a hundred years old there's a link can you click on that link please and describe what you're seeing in that picture um complete and utter

devastation and a giant fire that is black and white. There is a clearly a trolley system running down the center of the city. One building, for some reason, is missing its entire facade, which seems bad. Because of the earthquake. That'll do it. But the rest of the buildings are standing. I mean, there's a lot of rubble in the street, but. Yeah. So this is, okay, so this is like the day after the earthquake, and I'll share this on social media, but I think it's wild. So there's like a building missing a facade. So like a

dollhouse you can see inside and see the rooms and then there are people sitting on the street sitting in the rubble kind of sitting in chairs looking down a big hill and the fire is just two blocks away it's coming for them you know so I'm sure all of this area was destroyed as well yeah but you don't know that I mean you don't know that it's coming for you when you're looking at it because fires change directions all the time no I think you know it's coming for you I'll tell you why a little bit because it came for everyone Geez, all right, Jill. Remember that the earthquake happened at 512 a.m. on April 18th, 1906.

It was a 7.9 earthquake, and it was like 42 seconds long, which is just so unbelievably long. I can't even imagine. So a lot of people died immediately, chimneys fell, buildings collapsed, and then, do you remember what happened to the fire chief? He walked home. He was sleeping in the living room, but he was. walked in the truck on his wife and he walked into an open hole yes so he goes straight to the hospital that is chief sullivan he never wakes up he is like he's there they don't tell him what's happening he dies a couple days later so the fire chief he is um he he doesn't make it but um so there's like

an acting fire chief that'll tell you about in a second but the fire chief dies um i also posted and sent you a text that I got a crowbar. I said I would have one. Yeah, you did. I brought of you. Thank you. And I was going to bring it in here to show you, but then I was like,

I should keep under my bed, duh. It's like where it needs to be. So I left up under my bed, so it's there. I've also seen pro bars before. I know, I know. So I have a crowbar. But so also I'll add shoes under there. And then the third rule is to make sure you have water,

because water is going to be a big problem in San Francisco, like literally right now. So almost immediately, after the earthquake, communication is cut off between San Francisco and the rest of the world. The telegraph system, the telephone system, everything is down. And the earthquake is pretty much over. It has a couple little aftershocks in the next couple days. But the earthquake damage is done.

Like that is already done. And now it's time for the fire. And we talked about this before because of societies like in London, 1666, like, there was just fire. That was the only option, you know, like you had candles, you had a fire in your house. And then in Chicago, you know, there was, like, you have a gas stove, you have gas lights. And then now in San Francisco, some things have electricity, like the businesses usually do, but homes usually still have like gas lighting and gas for everything. So immediately there are a bunch of fires because gas mains are broke, chimneys fall down.

There's little fires kind of all over the city. But a lot of them are. put out by people because they're like in their house so if you're like in your kitchen and you see a fire like you talked about this before like you saw a big fire in like a window or like a mirror and you like had to go put it out yeah terrifying yeah but so that probably happened hundreds of times but someone was there so you're at your house you do it so there's no like it doesn't spread it's just you at your house but then a lot of places where the commercial buildings where there's maybe like one night watchman but not a lot of people so those fires got out of hand like really quickly. Most businesses did have electric lights, but it was mostly the gas, the gas is not like

lines exploding that started all the fires. By 7.30 a.m., so about two hours after the earthquake, all of the gas had been cut off, and it would be cut off for 23 days. So for 23 days, they would not have access to gas. And what people will do later is they will build stoves out of bricks on the street. So people were outside cooking for about a month. They weren't allowed like back in their homes to like have open flames and do things like that. I also wrote, I have no idea how to do that. What month was this? It was April. Okay. So it wasn't like freezing cold or anything. It's not freezing. I mean, it's in San Francisco. So it's like pretty cold and damp. It's like damp, but like not in the world. So within fires about three to four days long, there are

30 different fires about that kind of like converge like into one big fire. It destroyed approximately 25,000 buildings. 490 blocks were destroyed. And in today's money, the damage would be $8.5 billion. So it just like destroyed the city. In the beginning, the death toll that they were saying was about 300. But like that cannot be true. You know, like we talked about with like the other fires. Like that's ridiculous. So you don't you. There's so many people whose body. you're never going to find. And people who you don't know were in a certain place or whatever. And especially, like, they were discounting the people in Chinatown for a long time. So now that they started to count them, then we think the number's a little bit higher. So obviously, like, the death toll is probably closer to, like, 3,000, if not more. A lot of bodies were just, like, unable to be found because they were burned so badly. They were just, like, part of this rubble.

The chief dies. But I do want to emphasize that Chief Sullivan, a lot of the good. that happened during the fire and how prepared they were were because of him. He made sure that his, you know, his department, they were fully trained. They did a ton of drills. They were, like, ready to help. The problems that they had were, like, you know, water and, like, the fire was huge and all the things, but, like, the firemen were as ready as it could have been.

And that was because of him. So now that he is, you know, now that he is essentially dead, he dies a couple of days later, but they'd never talk to him again. There's going to be a new chief that is going to have to step up, and then the military is going to get involved as well. There are a lot of stories of things like, and I hate this. This is like the worst thing of like parents dying and like the kids being left alone,

you know, and like trying to figure out what to do. So like finding like a baby by itself. Like I hate that, which is so upset. But like, you know, so like a lot of like that is happening. So right when it happens,

when the fire starts, the last message that the Navy gets out of San Francisco to the rest of the world over the wires they say earthquake, town on fire send Marines and tugs and that's it. So the rest of the country kind of starts to know that

it's happening and they start to kind of start to send relief but they really don't know the extent of what's going on there. Oakland is not on fire. San Francisco is so people are able to escape to Oakland. Don't talk about that in a second. So some stories, there's like some like anecdotal stories like from people who

are like doing really brave things, really crazy things are happening to them as this fire is just like building and building. The author, Jack London, do you know who that is? He wrote like the call of the wild about the dog. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he lived 40 miles away and Collier's magazine called him that morning. And they said, can you go to San Francisco and tell us what happened? So him and his wife went to San Francisco and they kind of just like walked through the city as it was burning and like talk to people and like met people and he wrote an article for colliers and i listened to it today it's available on wikipedia someone did like an audio version of it and some of the things that you know he says is you know same one says ago is gone the earthquake is going to make this so

much harder so this isn't like a fire in a place where like things aren't already destroyed you what i mean like there's like the rippling of the street and you know all the water remains are broken and all the gas mains are broken so the town is already destroyed and then it's on fire which makes it like that much worse you know yeah um and people were like he said people were very calm um he saw someone offering a thousand dollars which is like shit ton of my 1906 to help bring like a wagon of of trunks um somewhere and then no one would help him and he eventually saw those trunks on fire like everything caught up fire people were like i was this like yesterday i was worth $600,000 and today

I have nothing. And he went to a man's house and the man was like, this is my house. Like, it'll be gone in 15 minutes. You know, and he was like, this is my wife's China. He's like, look at my piano. Isn't it beautiful? And like, he knows it's going to be destroyed because of the fire

is coming, which is like, horrifying. Okay, Taylor, you have 15 minutes? Miles says save the piano. Okay. So that was what I was going to ask you. You have 15 minutes to save the three most valuable things. In my home?

Yes. I feel like I have like keepers, like our passports and like our birth certificate's and stuff. So I feel like I'd want to save those. I also feel like I thought about it like, I don't know. I feel like I would just like take a bunch of clothes and like underwear and like pajamas. Because like a lot of people are going to be like dirty for a really fucking long time after this because there's no burning water. And water is so important, thank you, miles, and so rare that, like, you can only use it for drinking and cooking. You can't use this to, like, take a shower.

Yeah. You know, you know, what I thought was I would take my laptop, cell phone, chargers, and papers. Chargers is a good one to remember. Yeah. Because that's, like, the only connection you can really have the outside world. But you're, if we came together, then we'd be sad. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

We have planned. But yeah, so people are thinking, so there's some rumors, and this happens in every disaster, but there's rumors that, like, this is the end of the world. People are like Chicago's on fire, too. You know, like, every major city is on fire. Like, the world is ending, which, like, obviously is not what happened, but people were kind of panicking a little bit. There were a couple hotels, obviously, and apartment houses that collapsed.

And they're just full of body. and we'll just never know what happened to those people. I think we talked about that last week. But they're just once they're trapped in the rubble and then the fire comes and we'll never know. One of the fires, so several fires that kind of conversion to one. So one fire is called the Hammondags fire.

They tried to say that a woman was making breakfast, but I don't, that's true. I think that could have happened anywhere, but that ends up being one of the worst ones. I don't really know, say, from this good geography, but this one is like south of Market Street. And that one ended up being the worst.

The other fires were starting like simultaneously. people were doing the same thing that they did in Chicago where they were like burying their stuff so they would like bury all their china bury their pianos like try to like bury stuff so it would be safe from the fire but a lot of that stuff was like so hot and another thing that I think is it's science but it's wild is like the oxygen is one of the things that makes things catch on fire so people had stuff in like a safe at their house and they couldn't open the safes for at least a month because one organization tried to open theirs

on May 2nd. So April 18th to May 2nd and as soon as they opened it everything caught on fire inside of it because it's still so hot inside and then once the oxygen hits it that's when it ignites. So they had to wait like at least a month

to open things that were like super sealed. But I think it's crazy. It's the same story that we had heard over and over. We heard it in London. We heard in Chicago where people were like charging a lot

for like their carriages and their cars and to get people out of out of the town um so you know the prices were like obviously increasing like of course they would um one person in the book i i read one person said like if he thinks that because you know in the bible when in saddam and gomorra lots wife turns around and turns into salt why would i know that i don't know it's like a famous story but someone was like i think that she didn't die from that i think she died from carrying her trunk out of this town because like everyone was carrying all their shit like one guy had like was carrying his dead wife people were carrying you know the all they could just trying to like get away like save their couple you know their

couple little things but then that got me thinking like why would you have a trunk ever as your luggage it's going to be super heavy and it's like a brick so it was like when did we invent luggage with wheels and do you want to guess what year we invented that and when do we invent wheels do we have wheels back then did they invent did they know that round things roll back then First, it was 1906. We've had wheels for like thousands of years. Oh, okay. Oh, my God. Anyway, it was 1970, which I think is way late to figure out that you should put wheels on your luggage.

A man named Burted D. Saddow invented rolling luggage in 1970 and patented it in 1972. Can you copy and paste his name and find out what is net worth it? I bet it was like $3 billion. I mean, like, I can't believe we to think of it earlier. That's a real dumb, everyone to have a really heavy drunk. So people are trying to just like get out with whatever they have. One fun story is the California Academy of Sciences on Market Street had a goddamn hero named Alice Eastwood.

She was a self-taught botanist, and she had preserved a ton of plant specimens and had all of the science material and things there. And so she went in the middle of the fire, climbed over all of the broken stuff from the, from the earthquake and saved a shit ton of scientific research. She would, she climbed up six stories through all the rubble, got as much as she could, and she lowered it down to her friends with a rope, and they were able to save it. She had to move it several times, but she saved a lot of scientific work then. So great job, Ellis. People were rushing to the water. so Oakland was out on fire so they needed to like get their fairies

were just like moving people moving people across the bay to places that like obviously were not engulfed in flames at the pier it was women and children first and that reminded me that Lindsay also wrote my cousin Lindsay wrote to us because she said that like

you kind of backed into being on the right side of that women and children first argument because like essentially it is based on like the patriarchal idea that women are nurturers, but also I'm for it because I want to be first on the boat. If you want to be a true feminist, Taylor, you will sacrifice your life to save mine. I will not. I will be first in the boat with my kids. So I have to grapple with that on my own. Over in Oakland, the three major English language papers printed a paper together the next day.

So they did like a joint newspaper to tell people what was going on. A lot of of people went to their workplaces to save them because they were like my house is okay or my house is gone so what do I do next I'm going to go to my office and try to save it because this is my place of employment and like I don't want to be a dick but like I would literally never do that I mean could you imagine like going to our old office and being like I'm super worried about this I'd be like I'd be like the last thing I would think of no I guess not I guess like my relationship to my place of employment is different now than it was back then so maybe Maybe I would now.

But also, everything's online. Everything's in the cloud. Everything's digital. Right. Like, now I would never do that. But, like, again, people did that then. But I just was like, oh, my God, I would literally never risk my life to save my office. We have to save the Staples chairs.

Yeah. No. Like, this is a $1,500 chair, but still, it has wheels. You could, like, pull some stuff out on it. No, they clearly did not have wheels on chairs. If it took that long to have wheels on luggage, they definitely didn't have wheels on chairs until, like, 2013. probably no i think i'm going to have fact checked myself um who invented chairs with wheels because i think it's charles darwin wait it's darwin yeah okay i thought it was

how much jefferson but the internet is telling me now it was charles darwin i'm going to cora for no reason. But it was a long time ago, like longer ago than wheels on luggage. Now people are saying no, I thought maybe it was Thomas Jefferson. Either way, history of the office chair. Anyway, maybe we'll get there. So. Taylor, why don't, why don't we like, why don't we, like, you know, why don't we just like put our heads together and just list off everyday items and figure out if they're better with chairs on it? With wheels. Wheels. I love everything. about that idea. I'm 100% in. Well, we'll, guys,

the next, we'll do a bonus episode where we just list off every item we can think of. 5,000%. So people were doing that. Like, one photographer got a lot of really good shots of the city because he went to a photography store. And the guy was like, take anything you want. It's going to,

you know, it's going to get burned anyway. So just like, take it. I know you have not seen Peewee's great adventure, right? I mentioned it during the Alamo episode. Yeah, I think I have. So, do you remember, Well, I haven't seen all of them, but I've definitely seen, I mean, I, no, you didn't say, was it peewee? Yeah. Okay, maybe not.

I'm just not the other guy who, um, the other weird guy, he also got caught jerking off in a, in a theater. Not peewee? He goes to death row. Ernest? Ernest. I'm confused. Ernest with Pewee. Okay, disregard. Blair and I watch Ernest stays Halloween, or one of them recently, and it's still pretty fun. So, okay, so Pewey's great adventure. He is somewhere, and there's a pet store on fire, and he is like, I gotta see the animals. So he goes in, and he's like opening the cages, and there's like monkeys, and there's dogs and cats and, like, bunnies, and he's holding the fish tanks. Every time it goes in, he sees a cagepole of snakes, and he's like, ooh, every single time. And he's like, ooh, every single time.

he brings out all the animals out and finally he the last animals are the snakes so he comes out of the burning building and he's holding two handfuls of snakes and he's like he hates it it's so funny but during this great fire two young men did save all the pets of a pet store which is very nice they broke the windows yeah that would be me while you're saving the orphans from the orphanage i'm saving the animals for sure perfect um i don't know if you remember last week we talked about the palace hotel which was like the nicest hotel in town and and had survived. It was earthquake proof. Oh, really? Is that where that was? I thought it was, yeah. Cool. But it burned down. They rebuilt it in 1909 and it's still there. But the original one did burn down, even though it did survive the earthquake. Another kind of fun thing that happened is there was a bank called the bank. A lot of the banks, I mean, they burned down. But the bank of Italy was run by a man named Amadeo Pietro Gianni. And he was the owner and he took all of the money. to his house, which was like $2 million, like a shit ton of money. He took it to his house. He had

some men guard it. And he was able to give loans and take deposit. So he was really important in rebuilding because he knew all of his customers. He knew what they needed. He was able to like, loan money to get more money. And in two years, the Bank of Italy was in a new building and kind of ready to go. And he pioneered branching. So he was like one of the first people to have like branches of his bank, like around, around the city. And then in the 1920s, he merged with a smaller bank in Los Angeles and became the Bank of America, which is pretty cool. Yep.

So my, well, not my first job. The longest job I had before we worked together was at Bank of America. And so I looked at the history of it and it was like wild. Pretty cool. I don't know if you remember also there was an opera the night before the earthquake. And the singer Enrico Caruso, he's the one who saved his signed picture of Taylor Roosevelt. That's the thing that he saved. But he said, I will never return to San Francisco.

And he didn't. He died 20 years later. But he also looked awesome. So if you ever want to look up Enrico Caruso, he looks amazing. some buildings were saved by locals so there was a cathedral that was saved by people and what they did is one guy climbed to the roof and he tied a rake to a rope lowered the rake down and they attached a hose to the rake and he pulled it up and soaked the roof so that it wouldn't catch on fire as fire was kind of coming through the air and like ashes and embers were flying through the air people would they'd land out of the roof and they would just chop off those shingles you know, just to like stop it as much as they could. So a lot of people were able to do that. People would soak sheets and wine and put them on their roofs just to like try to get the fire to stop.

And another building that was saved was the mint that had all the gold and like the money in it was saved by a few people who were very invested in saving it. It was one of the only buildings to survive in like downtown San Francisco. The people were inside fighting the fire as it kind of came closer and closer. And when it ended, they, you know, opened the doors to nothing, you know, which was just, like, crazy. They were, like, in this building protecting it and then not really paying attention. And then, like, everything was gone when they, when they opened the doors. So a little bit more about how they actually stopped the fire because it wasn't rain and the winds didn't change. Like, it was stopped, but not before it spread.

So the hydrants and sewers started to dry up, not all of them, but a lot of them. of them did. And active fire chief dottery, he was in charge and he was trying to create fire breaks, but they were doing it like an absolute wrong way. They were using gunpowder and dynamite and they were

only knocking down buildings that were already on fire. But what you have to do is be like ahead of it. By a lot. Yeah. Knock over the next building. So they're knocking down buildings that were already on fire. So when they essentially bombed the buildings, all of the embers and the air would just set the next house on fire.

So it would just keep going. You know, so that really helped it, like, get bigger and bigger. There was a general- Yeah, but it kind of works, though. Well, it didn't work. No, no, no, if you played out to its end conclusion, it wouldn't work. Because if you just did that all night long, eventually you would have destroyed every house, thereby extinguished it. the fire when it hit the ocean.

Sure, sure, sure. If everything's gone, then there's no fire. Well, there you go. So it would have worked. Congratulations. That order came from, that order came from General Frederick Bunston, nicknamed Fearless Freddy.

He was in the military, he got the military involved right away. His superior general, Major Greeley, Major General Greeley, he was out of town but was slowly coming back. But in the meantime, this kind of crazy dude Frederick Funston. He did a whole bunch of stuff. He had a, um, he was a one who was who said

to use a dynamite to only do houses that were already on fire. Um, he had like finally gotten a message out because a lot of messages were not getting out. People were like, you know, obviously like send one as a messages to their family. Like I remember when there was a earthquake and San Francisco in the 90s, my aunt VN who lives there called and said, we're okay right before the phones went out. you know and we were like so grateful that she was able to get through to us because I remember I remember calling and she's like there's like we're okay and then the phones went out and we least knew what she was okay but these people don't some people will never know what happened to their family and some people are just like waiting for anything so telegraphs and and mail was free but it took a long time for it to like or it took a while for it to get going um but they did eventually get you know uh news over to dc tayre roosevelt was the president he asked people to do to the Red Cross, because this was 76 years before FEMA was spun up. So he asked people to do it to the Red Cross to be able to contribute. Taft was the Secretary of War.

And he was, you know, in contact with Funston and Greeley as well. So one thing that Funston did is he did kind of a pseudo, a pseudo martial law. Like it wasn't martial law. They would like to say that later, but like it kind of was. So the order was anyone who was looting or, you know, lighting a stove. or a fire in a place that they shouldn't should be shot to kill it was a shoot to kill order so a lot of military people came over and they had they were fully armed and being like pretty aggressive they would like yell at people if they had like a candlelit they would force people to help

with certain things and it's like they would have probably helped anyway they didn't need to do it like at gunpoint you know but i i am in favor of like when everything's fucked beyond all the belief dealing with like basic human greed or criminality or whatever it's like dude yeah just fucking shoot them like we have way too any normal bodies to vary we don't fucking need you hold this shit anymore like yeah I'm sure and I'm sure officially there were very few deaths by gunshot but there are probably more like you said like I'm sure that happened more often so I'm and like one of them um they killed a red cross worker by accident you know like people were riled up and scared and so the wrong time to have a gun

Um, but people, you know, they were kind of forced to help, which also, again, I think it's kind of okay. Like, they would have helped anyway. Like, what else are you going to do? Like, help rebuild. So, um, there was a fireboat called the fireboat Leslie and they tried to get water from the sea, but it was like the piers are wood. It was like hard to get to them. They did some pretty incredible things by like coupling hoses together. And some of the hoses would go for over a mile from the ocean to the houses. And that saved like a part of the city as well. they use sewer water which is gross but like you know whatever you can get I mean it's it's 1900 it's like everything probably smell like should anyways exactly I mean it was like I think one of the first things in the book that I read the longest minute was like everybody was wearing hats because you had to wear hats because it like there's constantly like shit in there you know like there's everyone's burning coal everyone's all these things so like yeah like no one's felt but another thing they did is they stopped liquor sales almost immediately and they broke

all the bottles of booze that they could there was a distillery that had because they don't want people to like get drunk and freak out but also I'm like If anything preserved the liquor and like ration it and like literally just give it out to people like why would you

I know the opposite I know there was a distillery that made whiskey and they had like a hundred barrels of whiskey and they were like excuse me we basically have bombs like we have this whiskey like it is going to catch on fire it's going to explode is that is that possible though because

i was thinking about when you said the wine thing was like i was thinking about that too ever clear like it's not flammable because the liquid content the o2 h2o content has to be so significantly higher the flammability of the liquor in there right that's a good question and i don't know so please email us diptofelpod at gmail dot com if you know because i was thinking it too but i was like wine must have less of an alcohol content and then like whiskey and like vodka and like hard liquor feels like that could be flammable more like isn't that what a molotov cocktail is i don't know all the things but anyway they moved all the barrels of whiskey to a place that had already been burned so that it was like out of the way um to talk a little i literally i literally reached over while you were like

talking and i was i typed what into google and i was going to follow with what is in a molotop cocktail And then I was like, that is for sure going to flag me for the FBI. So I'm going to go ahead and change. If anybody just happens to have that information handy or the willingness sacrifice their search history to the DTS. No, I think it's just, I think that's just booze in a reg. Well, it's got to be more specific than that. It can't, like, it can't just be like a Maita, right?

No, but it's like, but like. A margarita? No, yes. Yes, and salt room. I'm a Molotov cocktail. A little wedge of lime. It'd be so cute. That'd be such a cool bottle.

Oh, I guess it mostly has like gas in it, probably. Are Molotov cocktails legal? It's this question. Of course it's not legal. You're stupid. You were stupid if you're asking that question. I mean, the components are legal if we figure out what's in it. Yeah, but you can bomb someone's house.

Yeah, but you can own a Molotov. It's like owning a gun. I own a gun. I have bottles. I have rags. I have gas in my car. We got to stop recording our crimes. Anyway. Okay. Anyway. So another thing I talked about last week was like the relationship that the Chinese Americans had to the rest of the city. People in Chinatown didn't want to leave because they were afraid that they weren't, you know, they were going to get deported and they were right to be afraid. They had just if they didn't have their papers, like they were definitely like in trouble. And a lot of people during the rebuilding wanted to just like. not have a Chinatown and ban them from coming back to San Francisco proper, but that ended up being overrules, and they were able to come back and build the Chinatown that is there

today. People were definitely, like, scared. And then also, of course, like the soldiers who are just there under martial law are, like, raiding people's homes. So they raided Chinatown, which was like, bummer. People started to make their own fire breaks. They had their own committees. They were like people trying to figure out what to do because the communication is kind of all over the place. Everyone is like sleeping in parks. It gets really, really foggy. People are getting sick, sleeping on the ground. They have like one blanket. That's something that happened a lot in the other ones we talked about, too, like outbreaks of cholera and the refugee camps, things like that. Everyone, though, is helping. People are working, they're working. So people are like,

you know, they're helping in bakeries. They did not or not a food. They ended up, they were able to like, you know, feed a lot of people. Everyone was pitching in. At one point, someone had like a like there were like 2,000 chickens and like a, I don't know, chicken farm, but they like let loose and everybody was like grabbing chickens, which I think is hilarious because also I would not know what to do with the chicken. With a chicken?

I mean, you, you cut its head off, right? It's feathers. Yeah, and then what? Yeah, you cut its head off. You plug its feathers. I guess they didn't have fried chicken back then. So, like, you probably have just like. They've always had French again. Either way, people are pitching in, kind of helping each other.

Another person who is a hero from this time is Lieutenant Frederick Freeman. He was on a boat, and him and his men stopped the fire from spreading on day three. They went to, like, a big portion of the city and were able to save it. He worked kind of on his own with no direction. And so he really, you know, really saved a lot of people, saved a lot of property, And later in his life, during World War I, he was the captain of a ship that was torpedoed. And then he started, he was so upset about it. He started drinking and going into addiction, ended up being dishonorably discharged and kind of living like a vagrant lifestyle.

But in 1941, before he died, FDR pardoned him and gave him an honorable discharge because of all the work that he did during the earthquake and other things he'd done before that. But he had felt so guilty about being torpedoed. but so people are working together and they are working really hard like 80% of the city is destroyed but the mail was working by Friday which is a big deal because it was like Tuesday and Friday the male was working people were able to you know talk to their to tell their family around the country around the world and they were safe and the fire ended up stopping because you know the people stopped it they did the correct fire breaks they didn't rain it wasn't anything like that it just like they ended up stopping and also obviously it ran out of shit to burn

because it was like it burned most of the city um in the aftermath there was no water so we just talked about this like for bathings that people were getting sick people had to dig poop holes in their backyards you know like it was like a pretty bad like sanitation issue for a while um people were giving donations but some of the donations had strings attached like there was a part of the city that did not have cable cars and the cable car company was like we'll donate you know 100,000 if we can build a car in this place where we couldn't have one before things like that a little bit of corruption happened um the judge who was the judge of the wong kim ark case that we talked about last time he was actually the president of the american red cross at this time so he was able to like he like invested a lot and like helped in um in san francisco the uh like the empress of china tried to donate money and the people were like no which is so racist and dumb take it stupid um like i hate in a movie when someone's like I am too moral to take this check. I'm like, I'll take that check.

Thank you. Yeah, I'm kidding. You know, like you're dumb. I have no principles. Yeah. People were given tents. Some people had insurance. So some insurance companies paid out.

A lot of the ones that were based overseas around the East Coast never really paid out what they were supposed to pay out. Because a lot of it, and I'm sure you remember this from owning a home in California, but like you have to have separate earthquake insurance from your regular home insurance. And so people had to prove that. that their house was destroyed by the fire and not by the earthquake. Yeah, I can believe that. I was like when I was living in Florida and I knew people who were homeowners in Florida

and they had to get separate hurricane or flood insurance from everything else. And yeah, it was, yeah, expensive. Yeah. So a lot of people ended up living in little housing camps. So they would build these like little 200 square foot houses and then you could move them later. So you would like put down a down payment

and then end up being able to move the house to maybe where your original land was or moving it. All of the little houses were blue because the Army had extra blue paint, which is kind of fun. There was another story where like the Army had all these boots that were the wrong color and the people didn't want to wear them. So they were in a storage room. So they just gave them to everybody, which is also cute. That's awesome. Yeah. So yes.

So this is kind of where I stopped my research. about the rebuilding and such, but, you know, they rebuilt better than before. But I think that the thing that is so scary about this is just like one disaster after the other and like a fire could happen anywhere. But like that earthquake was crazy and it's going to happen again. You know, like California is not safe going to have other earthquakes. So I also this reminded me my friend Morgan sent me a article about that tower that you, you had talked about in San Francisco, that's falling or tilting the Millennium Tower. So I've read an article about it.

It was called the Millennium Tower. And it's on Mission Street, which is one of the streets that was like totally destroyed in the mission district. And it's like six inches off. And like one, the lady that in the article, she sent me, like, figured it out because like, she was like doing a put put in her apartment in her three fucking million dollar apartment. And all of the golf balls would like go into one corner. I mean... Okay, yeah. You know what? No mind. That was good. Well, because my house is also, like, not leveled, but like, it's a house. But you're like on, but you're the first floor. You're on the ranch. I know, exactly. It's different when you're like 40 stories in the air. I get that. Yep. It's different. Yeah. Like, if my house was tilted a little bit, meh. I'm on, I'm on bedrock.

Yeah, yeah. I'm not worried about it. But like, this, this, like, gigantic tower. is oh my god it's crazy also it's funny to think that three million dollars in san mcisco that's probably like a starter condo for anyone who lives there i cannot imagine like so it's it's um it's 58 floors the whole building um but they have 60 they say they have 60 floors because they skipped 13 which happens and 44 because people think the fours are bad luck have you heard that more? Yeah I don't know

I don't know I'm going to know that one more but um Jesus Christ I'd be so fucking mad if I bought a $3 million car do they fix it? No it's like they're trying to figure out how to fix it. What's they call Millennium? Uh huh it makes you kind of want to throw up a little bit

like he's in it makes me so upset and like so nervous I mean I don't know maybe maybe in like 3,000 years your home will be like the Leaning Tower of Pisa and there'll be a landmark

for people to visit but also like there's no way that if it's a earthquake that isn't toppling over literally immediately I know if I was a neighbor I'd be like I want a refund yeah and you can't

you can't you know like oh god i hate it so much i could really like honestly my hands hurt you know like you get nervous in your hands are talking about like i just hate it so much i don't know what you do um so yeah i mean i i i know that you know this it was a good good time to like industrial revolution time is a good time to start over on a city so they could build better because like they had done things like you know we should have stronger construction, we should not build everything out of wood, but they hadn't retroactively put those laws in place. So if you have to start over, at least you can start over better. In some cases, they did, some cases they didn't see people who just wanted some place to live, like really quickly. You know, those camps were open for years. People were trying to figure out where to go. Like in all these disasters, rich people could figure it out, but poor people, they have fucking nothing, you know, what are they supposed to do. But now it just seems to be a lot of tall buildings in San Francisco, which makes me nervous. man this this millennial thing i hated so much i was in new york so the the the week that this was

13 years ago but the week that we had our wedding reception in new york city we had to move it because there was a hurricane so there was like hurricane time so we had to cancel our reception due a couple months later it was fine but that week there was also an earthquake and i was on the 30th floor of a building and i felt my desk go loop loop and i was like yeah Yeah. It's interesting, too, because California has like probably some of the strictest regulatory guidelines for building things, and you think that, like, how was this able to happen? I mean, in 1906, or this, Millennium Tower. No, the Millennium Tower. Also, like, it is, it's got to be like a developer's worst nightmare to have, like, a bunch of millionaires living in your building when you're building, like, fucks up really badly. because, like, they're going to see you into oblivion.

And it sounds like that's what they're doing right now. But they're not going to, like, what are they? And like the woman in the article I read, I'll share the article, but like, a like tech bro bought the apartment above her for like $15 million. And he was like, I don't care. That's tilting. I like the view. And I'm like, you're the worst.

I mean, that would be the dream to be that rich. We would, Taylor, you might say he's the worst, but we would both love to be in that position. I would not, I wouldn't, I would not want to live there. yeah I definitely want to live there I'm on a know from that guys just just live on level land I've no idea how we got to this conclusion in the San Francisco fire episode but that is my takeaway

I'm I think we both we both live in one story houses and I'm happy that we do amen please don't move sweet so that is the we got San Francisco we got Chicago wrapped up I'm sure there's plenty plenty more fires I know well I'm going to start doing Women's History Month next week, and I'm very excited to have some fun stories.

But if you know women's history, you know there is a very important fire that I will talk about. But I was going to do it next week, but I'm just so tired of talking about fires that I'm going to maybe do it the week after. Good. I don't know what that is. I'm sure. If you know, you know, but I'll tell you later. I will probably know after you tell me, because you know that I don't, you know me. I don't connect dots real quick. It takes a little bit for the. marinate and so I'm sure I'll know when you tell me so okay cool um but yeah that was awesome thanks for sharing taylor we got our episodes in for the week start for the late start

per usual it was my fault um but we got them taken care of i've re-released mutiny on the bony today so there's something out there enjoy smutony um cool uh again write to us at doom defalpott at gm.com uh find us on the social at doom defalpod we're trying to become rich and famous And I don't think that's a bad thing. No. I think y'all should want us to be rich in payments because some of you all know us. You like doing this. Yeah.

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Sweet. Anything else before we shut off? That's it. Just that those fun things from Morgan were fun. And she gave me some other good ideas of things to cover and how people have sent us Instagram messages with some true crimey things. So I'll make sure you see them.

Love it. Awesome. Well, go ahead and cut things off.