Door Bumper Clear - 102 - Go Cut Some Firewood

Episode Date: June 4, 2018

One-time spotter Matthew Dillner again joins Brett and Jason to talk about the Xfinity aero package at Pocono, IndyCar pace car crash, Johnson and Knaus, problematic lapped traffic, illegal race winners, and more. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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of Dirty Mo Media. Outside, door, bumper, clear the 18. Benzcar ahead here in a long time. You're going to do it. You're going to win it. Right with you. You're clear. Check the flag.

You win. Oh, yeah. Hey, what's up? Brett Griffin, spotter for Clint Boyer, Elliott Sadler, Mike Snyder. Thanks to One Man Financial for bringing this podcast to you guys this week. We have got no T.J. And no Casey.

But we do have. I'm Matthew Dillner. I won spotter for Troy Ferdinando. late model race at Stafford Butter Speedway. How'd that go? Not very well. Thus, you only spotted one race. No, I actually spotted for my niece, and the first time I spotted for I was so nervous that

we were coming to the checkered flag, and I totally didn't realize there was one to go. And as she was coming to the checker flag, I was like, all right, checker flag, you're good. You're done. You can quit now. That didn't go over well. Spotting for people that you... It's not easy, man. It's not a job that you just hop right in, dude.

Yeah. It looks easy. better. Yeah, it looks easy. I remember standing on Pit Road when I was doing PR in 99. Uh-huh. And I was like, the spotter guy could do better. You know, like, it's like the Monday.

Back then, those spotters, some of those spotters were a little. But it's the Monday morning morning quarterback thing, right? You're sitting on your couch and you're watching and you're like, man, that guy could have done this. Yeah. And so during the race and then you get up there and you're like, I wonder if all those crew guys think I suck and I can make it better than I do. But now it's not as easy.

easy as it once looks. T.J. is out on a leave. He's not baby-sitting. Is he going to be okay? I think he'll be okay. He's a little under the weather. Yeah, a little under the weather. Casey's on a rendezvous with her fiance. Casey's living my dream right now because she just went to Indiana Midget Week. Yeah. And like they were going to come back for today.

And Chad Boat, her fiance, just up and decides, you know, I'm going to run Kokomo, which, by the way, if you've never been to Kokomo. Right. It's not like the Beach Boys song. It's the greatest damn paradise there is as far as sprint car midget racing. Right, right. So she's in a hauler right now, I think, driving back. Yeah. The glam life, man. Yeah. The roadie life. It's awesome. Yeah, those dirt guys, they get after it, man. They race over and over and over. Jason is going to be the super super sub. So you're going to be Casey technically, and I'm going to be TJs. I'm filling for Casey who you filled in for her last week, and now I'm filming for you. So it's...

So explain to me what you were doing in Phoenix. Another PR conference. Shocker. So what is, I hear all the... Who picks where these PR conferences are? Like, let's just have a PR conference and let's, the next one should be in Salt Lake. I don't know. No, no, they don't pick, they pick good places. Yeah. Like, they pick really fun places.

They've been to Miami. They've been to Phoenix. They go where all the hot women are. We're going to Austin in October. Listen to this. You're going to Austin? Hopefully. Oh, yeah.

I see if you can record DVC one day, maybe. Yeah, I could do it, but I'll tell you this. You'll have to go to one or two places I tell you to or else I'll record it bad. So, so Miami. Well, Miami, dude, you didn't have the shoes or the watch to be anybody. I'm sorry. I know what it's like to be a broke college kid. Phoenix, you definitely didn't have enough wallet.

No. You could have took the shoes in the watch out there, and it wouldn't matter because out there they look at your wallet because you were near Scottsdale. Yeah, Scott's Tale. That's a big money. Yeah. But when you get to Austin, it's a bunch of drunk college kids. So you got a chance there. Yeah.

You'll fit in. Sounds good. When's your 21st birthday? Next February. Next February. It's got some time. Yeah. But you're going to Austin in October.

Yep. So you better get a fake ID between now and that. We'll work on that. Yeah. Surely you know somebody that looks remotely. You don't have to look like you. They just got to look remotely like you. Yeah.

They can have really black hair and a big nose. It'll be fine. Bouncers don't look that. What's that cowboy bar, the honky tonk, the old one there that. Which one in Austin? Yeah. I've never been to Austin. You never been to Austin?

No. What's wrong with you? I got buddies that have been. Man, I don't want all this free time that I have. It's so easy to sneak down there. It's not like you can just go to Austin. You know, you got to have a plan to go to Austin. But I got buddies that have had bachelor parties there.

Yeah, that city is legit, dude. I've heard of the traffic's a nightmare, but outside of that. Our buddy Matthew Tomko, who listens to this show, he lives in Austin now. So Matthew invite Brett. Yeah. If you're listening. Invite me. And Matthew, I think, Rich.

Matt Matthew. Yeah. Not this Matthew. Yeah. So if Matthew would fly me down there on his private jet and put me up in his illustriest, mansion, then we can definitely make this work. I sense of sarcasm. Yeah.

I don't think Matthew's rich. I think he makes a good living. But he's good, dude. He loves his show, so he'll appreciate the shout-out. So Jason didn't watch any NASCAR content. You didn't watch a race at all? Like, I missed it because I was like, I got to wake and all this stuff. And it was like, but I at least watch the cut downs.

I watched some highlights to see some wrecks, see what happened. Denny Hamlin wrecked. Yeah. That's all I saw pretty much. Really? Yeah, he just got loose. I looked at the Xfinity race a little bit to see how the arrow package looked. Yes.

Yeah, that was really. Definitely, I think we need to touch on that at some point during the show, for sure. We can jump in the spot-on, spot off. Let's jump. Let's jump. All right, spot off, Xfinity arrow package at Pocono. Oh, let's jump right into it. Dillard you watch that?

I don't want to comment on this because if you got my real comment, no. Yeah, I watch some of it. I think for the Xfinity series, it's not a terrible thing to do at select tracks. And that's all I'll say at it about that. one right now, but for the Xfinity series, spot on at a few of these tracks, I don't mind seeing it. It was the exact same Pocono race we typically see. All we did was slow the cars way down. And by slowing the cars way down, I made this comment and I made some people mad about the All-Star race, but when you slow the cars down, you make them easier to drive. And from where I

stood watching thousands of races that I watched, it honestly looked like I could have went and drove those cars. I'm not saying I could have done the restarts as well. well as those guys and I could have been four wide for a lap but as soon as that lap was over it was single file and they were running very very slow it didn't look like our guys were elite drivers which we all know they are it did not look like this package put on one bit of a show from an entertainment perspective like you if you thought they were going to pack up and I'll be very honest with you I thought they would pack up some they didn't pack up at all I made a comment last week and I apologize to the listeners I said this is going to be a very exciting race and it wasn't we we can't

take this package as it is anywhere else, I think. Now, I don't know if we needed more gear. I don't know if we needed these guys to have, you know, smaller plates where they have more horsepower, or I don't know if it's just because the track didn't have enough banking to hold the cars up. But one of those two or three things mattered big time. And we pretty much saw a typical Pocono race at a slower pace with the cars easier to drive. And I can say, I never want to see this package again or remotely anything that looks like this package again at Pocono or Indy. Now, when we get to Michigan this weekend, I'm not going to tell you. So you don't want it at, you don't want it at Indy either.

No. Really? Okay. No, it's the same thing. It's too flat. You know, it's just not going to do anything. There's not enough momentum of the car behind the lead car to get a big draft and suck up. I think our whole hope of this package was we would get the second car in line to really suck up and get a run and create what we know is NASCAR racing and stock car racing.

and stock car racing, which is side-by-side stuff, we didn't get anything close to that. So for me, I never want to see this package again anywhere with corners that aren't very, very, very banked. Because in order for this package to work, they have to be almost close to wide open all the time, and that's not what they were. Is it possible in a podcast to hear a high-five?

Yeah. Okay, I think you heard that. I think you heard that because I'm so anti-restrictor plate. I was scared to even talk about it today. Yeah, no. And look, I mean, I get what we were trying to accomplish, and I'm glad they tried it. In the Xfinity Series. I thought it was going to work because I thought turn 1 had enough banking for us to see some things happen.

And to be quite honest with you, it didn't. I'm not going to go out on a limb like I did last week and say Michigan and the Xfinity Series is going to be exciting with this package. I think it has the opportunity to be more exciting if those grooves will widen out because we do know that they can run 170 miles an hour around their wide open. And so I hope that it works at a place like Michigan. And if it doesn't, you need to kill it and never run it again anywhere except Daytona Talladega. And I don't just mean kill it here. I mean kill it, period. But, you know, everybody seems to, we always have good ideas on this podcast.

And then somehow or another, a lot of them seem to get incorporated. So I don't know who listens to this show and who doesn't. But I hope they listen to that. Sounds good. You know? So this was pretty crazy how the IndyCar race at Detroit. GM executive, Mark Ruse, crashes the IndyCar Pace car. Legit crash.

Who does this? Are you kidding me? You're on national TV driving your manufactured car that we all know is a superb car. In 2019, dude. The only positive thing you have to say of this whole process is, holy cow, our safety systems are amazing in this vehicle. And the only reason we know they're amazing is because you tested them. Come on. Like, GMs should be having so much fun with this.

They should. They should. I saw their political PR statement, and it was just so, so corporate, right? But if their social media department got behind this and got in with IndyCar on this, they could make this into a publicity dream. Total, total viral. Because this guy, it's not his first time in a pace car. No. He's paced the field here, I believe, several times.

Has he really? For this race, for each Detroit race. And everybody knows that spot in the track, too. If you know that track, there's a really wicked bump there. And he hit it as soon as he was on throttle and that dang thing unloaded. And he nosed it into the wall. And I got to tell you, he was probably so sick to his stomach. Yeah.

There's a more wicked wall inside than that wicked bump. I bet he felt that. I don't know how much he felt the bump, but I know how much he felt that wall. It was crazy as to Ariel afterwards. Like the whole thing happens. And then you see an aerial shot. and there's a pace car and a heap and safety trucks arriving. And there's like a pack of indie cars just sitting there waiting and they're all going,

they're probably, I wanted to know what's in their minds like. The same thing I just said, really? Who does that? I feel bad for the guy, but. You do? I actually do. He wrecked. Like if it was some celebrity that went out there and did it one time and he was obviously over his head,

I mean, yeah, the guy ran out of talent for sure, but I kind of feel bad for him. I don't know why. These cars have a lot of horsepower. hour. The track was wet, right? A little bit, but it was, it was, that bump is what really did it. Yeah. He was probably running 100, do you think? Yeah, probably about 80. Yeah.

I mean, that's, you're on throttle right there where he hits, because he was going slow probably through that left hand. You can see them. You can see him burning the right rear off of it. I mean, it starts lighting up the tires. You might want to stick to your office job, but just a word of advice. Pushing papers and not pushing the pedal. Put your white shirt and your tie on. We appreciate you.

very much. So I heard Oriole Serbia was taking over. Okay. And so we might not have GM execs maybe.

General Motors is awesome for motorsports. We love you guys. Thank y'all for all you do for all racing series, not just NASCAR series. But put your white tie on. And spin it.

Spin it. Like they should take advantage of this. They should do something really funny with this. And if they don't, they're losing an opportunity. But they're going to lose it. They're scared.

If you're scared, go to church. They're going to church. They're done. They're out. It was fun to watch, though. Yeah, it was pretty crazy. I mean, let's be honest,

two or 300,000 people probably watch that race on TV, right? I bet you millions upon millions saw this base car footage. Oh, yeah. Jolopnik had it on, all the different, you know, it definitely made its rounds of social media. It's just like Madonna said, bad publicity is still publicity. So people that had no idea indie cars were even racing that day

saw this footage and it gave them momentum and gave them traction and in sports. That's really all you want. Yeah. At all costs. The bottom line is the lack of traction gave them traction. The lack. Yes.

Yes. Touche. No pun intended on the traction. Oh, my gosh. Here we go. Keep rolling, Jason. Spot on, spot off. Larson Rex Cope and all hell breaks loose.

So did you see Derek Cope yesterday? Now, I saw him going around. Man, this guy. So people don't realize. I had some people tweet. I guess I made a comment, and I'm not somebody who, as I spot, tries to recall everything that I say, right? You're just, you're in the game, right?

You're calling the plays and you're doing what you're doing. So I guess I made a comment about how bad he sucked and how he was in the way. And so one of the reporters tweeted it. And, you know, so under a break or after the race, when I pull up my timeline, it's, you know, hundreds of people I've liked this tweet. I was like, man, I kind of bashed that guy. And then I was like, well, he kind of deserved it. He was in the way. So what people don't realize in racing is when you're extremely slow, whether you're broken or whether you just suck, you yield the faster,

car, the preferred lane. And at a place like Pocono where it's pretty much one groove, that's the bottom all the way around. So Derek Cope would go in in the groove, wash up out of the groove, and completely screw everybody around him. I think Harvick lost the lead because of him at one point in the race. We lost several seconds, several different times, and we weren't the only ones. Larson caught him, and it was Larson, and then I believe, Blaney, and then us.

And we were about 15 car links behind them. We were going to pass both those cars on the front. front stretch because Derek Cope screwed Larson that bad. So Larson dumped him, and he dumped him 100% on purpose. He got slowed way, way down behind him, and he realized, I'm getting ready to get freight train. I'm just going to dump this guy. So he dumped him. He should have dumped him.

The guy was in the way all day long, you know, that is what it is. But by him dumping him, that's what created all those chain of events that vacuum that brought out every caution after that. It's why Eric Jones wrecked. It's why Denny Hamlin wrecked. It's why Carl Larson ultimately went on to finish seven. the scenarios to which everything played out. So when you look at an intentional, and I'm sure Kyle can say he didn't mean to wreck him or whatever.

Well, he has to say that so it isn't got in trouble. It certainly looked like he dumped him, right, as he should have because the guy had been in the way all race. So spot on, spot off, Lars and Rex Cope, I was spot on for it just because I was sick and damn tired of that guy being in the way. So frustrating. I'll be spot on for it also. You know, as a veteran, you need, as a veteran, he knows better. That's what I thought. And that's what you think, and that's what you expect at, a guy that that's won races in this series at this level.

But then I spot on for Kyle Larson, because he did what he had to do. He didn't, you know, wait and get freight train and then whine about it afterwards. He took care of business like a racer should. Yeah. And he got the caution he needed kind of right there, so it worked out for him. Our buddy Mike Harmon to end the second stage in Xfinity, there are literally eight cars coming into turn three. and they're two by two by two by two by two. I mean, we're coming.

And guess who's parked on the bottom of turn three? Mike Harmon. And it's like how many times? If you're parked, though, at the bottom of turn three, it's when they go in in the middle of the groove, correct me if I'm wrong. He's parked all the way through there. Okay, because I was going to say,

if you pick a groove and you know he's there. He screwed the whole thing up. All he had to do in the short shoot is look in his mirror, listen to a spotter, assuming a spotter was talking. Exactly. Pull over, let those guys go, and go finish your lap. The problem with Pocono for me was the minimum speed was obviously way too far off

the fast-paced speed for those guys to be able to stay out there. I mean, every time you called him, it looked like they were running 60 miles an hour. Like Arka style. Yeah, but I mean, once again, you know, these, I don't understand how these same guys with these same spotters are always in the way. And I went down to Cope Spotter yesterday, who was a guy that has spotted some races. I haven't seen him in a cup race a lot. And I said, get him the fuck out of the preferred lane.

That is all you have to do. Ask him to move up. Give us the bottom when we get there. You're going to save yourself a lot of trouble today. Sure is hell, man. Every time I look down there, people are cussing and fussing and shooting this guy of the bird. Poor guy. And it's not his fault.

But you've got to have a guy to listen and get out of the way. It's annoying. People have, like, you can't imagine. And I've been in competitive cars. And when I'm not in competitive cars, I do everything I can in my power to keep him out of the way. That's all you think about is my guy's slow. We need to finish. We need to not get wrecked.

And I don't need to be that guy. And sure is the world. Same guys are that guy. Every week. Doesn't fail. Spot on, spot off. Outside the line on restarts and clean air still king. You know, I don't know how you fix this.

You know, at Pocono where they're going so fast and that lead car's got all the air on his nose. You know, I think we saw a really good race between three or four really fast cars yesterday. considering we were at Pocono. You know, I think that we all know Pocono doesn't always produce the most exciting racing unless we get a lot of late restarts, which we did. But the outside line on restarts and clean air still king, I mean, spot off from the theory of it, but it's just the way it is. Spot off.

I mean, I think our cars across the platform are two arrow dependent, whether it's side skirts and the splitter and how we travel down to the splitter. And that's it. Whereas traveling down to a valance to get it sealed off is a different deal and your suspension is different. I don't like how sealed off these cars are when I think it's made these cars more arrow-dependent than they were. It definitely has.

And I don't think we're addressing that problem. So, I mean, spot off. I really think we're too error-dependent. And I'm sick and tired of hearing about, you know, clean air. Clean air is a necessary evil. It's a truth in our sport. And it's always kind of been there. But now over the last few years, the knowledge of it,

the public knowledge of it from the media standpoint, everybody talking about it's increased it. But then the thing that further increased it was sealing these cars off all the way around, all four corners of these cars. Yeah, those sidescurs are dragging the grow around. I mean, they're on the earth. There's sparking and everything. I don't understand why we can't get rid of them.

And if you look at the cars from years ago before the COT, we had them curved in. Yeah. I think that would be a solution. Yeah. Spot on, spot off. Alma Rola tops his best Pocono finished by 11 spots in his first start with SHR. That's a big accomplishment.

I mean, here's a guy that's run a lot of cup races and a lot of equipment that in the cup series certainly wasn't considered A-level stuff. You know, and you take a guy who here's the really spot on thing about it for me is he's never been in a position to get a good finish there. And yet he still comes out. He runs a good race. He finishes seventh and improves his spot by 11 spots. So what that tells you is, you know, not only can he get it done and the car get it done, but he can put his pass behind him because I have to know, you know, working alongside a lot of race car drivers in my career, there's a lot of tracks you look at on the schedule and you can't wait to get there.

And there's a lot you look at and go, oh, God, I don't want to go this weekend because somebody go in my place. I take 15th and not even get on the airplane. I've been there with those guys. So I know this was probably a place that he was looking at on the schedule and scratching his head going, oh, this is going to be a challenging weekend for me. Because from a confidence standpoint, at a performance standpoint, you've never done well. And here he went out and he did well. So I would say the next place he's looking at, if I know Eric and a little bit, obviously,

and looking at his career is probably Sonoma. And he's going, uh-oh, this is the next one. But conquering this one gives him confidence going into that one. Spot on because I'm going to say. spot on for that race team. Because we always talk about Eric Amarola in the situation and how great it is for Eric Amarola. He's having great finishes.

And then we talk about the team doing well because of its previous driver Danica Patrick's results just weren't up to par compared to where they are in results right now. Let's just say spot on for this race team too. Here's a group of guys. Yeah, the team has changed a little bit this year, but here's a group of guys that have endured some of them through some bad years. Yeah. Whether it's people in the shop or the road guys.

Right. And now they're seeing, you know, some fruits of their labor, and it's got to be an exciting thing for them. I mean, it's an obvious statement, but that's often overlooked. Tony Stewart is a big believer in Eric Amarola. That's why Eric Amarola is there. That's why they went to Eric Amarola and went to Smithfield and said, hey, come over here, be a part of this deal. Tony's wanted Eric to drive there for a long time. It just never worked out.

So it's really cool that a guy, because, I mean, let's face it, man, Eric didn't just get here. This isn't his first opportunity. I mean, he's been a couple, three different places, and this is his last stop in a good car. Yeah. So if he doesn't make it work here, he's going to end up back in the B, C, D-D-level stuff for the rest of his career. And he's proved himself at almost all the levels, whether it's from the Gibbs Development Program, and the late models to that Spears truck in the 75. And some of the things he's done, he's proved that he's a guy that can run up from. Ranwell here. Exactly. When he's the Junior Motorsports. So I think those things have set him up to be successful now. And it's great for us because

Smithfield's a huge sponsor in our series. And Eric's a good driver. He's a diversity program guy. Yep. But I'm telling you, man, Tony Stewart is the guy to credit for a lot of the reason he's doing this and doing it with us. And score for bacon. Yeah. Yeah.

We all love bacon. You think Al Mara won't race this year? I think he can. You know, I look at a lot of places like the Richmans and the Dovers and places I know that he runs well. And you got to realize, Jason, like the first time you go to a place with no playbook, they don't have a playbook. they don't have a playbook. That 10 doesn't have notes, not their own notes. Because you've got a first-time crew chief, you've got a new driver,

and you're coming off of a driver that wasn't, as Matthew said, a very proficient driver in terms of her stats and success. So, yes, we have a successful race team, but this team itself, when it goes back to the second half of the schedule, it's going to keep getting better because they've got a notebook. They know how they need to unload. They know what they need from practice to the race. And he's going to be a guy that's going to get better.

And he's going to have to get better because he's still going to be looking out the front at Kurt Busch, Clint Boyer, and Kevin Harvick, you know, who are all contending to win races. Obviously, Harvick's in a different world right now. I mean, there's, there's three guys that are championship contenders right now. It's Harvick, it's True X, and it's Kyle Bush. And everybody else is kind of fighting to be that fourth guy. And during the first two stages yesterday, I felt like we were that fourth guy. And then the third stage, you know, one thing led to another. And all of a sudden, we're not even in the conversation to get a top 10. And you go, well, we're on the verge of being that fourth guy, but we're not there yet.

Eric is sitting there looking out to front of his windshield, seeing how good we, the rest of us are, and he's going to keep challenging himself. He's a big physical fitness guy, you know, which I think speaks a lot. You know, people go, hey, these guys have to work out. No, they don't. You know, they don't have to have trainers. It's not in most of their contracts, but what it speaks to for their race team is their work ethic. Yeah. It tells me how serious Clint's got a trainer.

He's never had a trainer. It's crazy. He's got a – Clint Boyer runs. Clint Boyer's idea of working out was farming and throwing hay bales. It's curls. Throwing haybells around during the day and throwing back beers at night. And now he has a lady, a female trainer who kicks his ass every day. And all that says to the guys around him is, this is how serious I am about being a good race car driver.

And I think it's true. You know, when I first got here and I saw Jimmy Johnson go on this fitness freak deal, I was like, what's he doing? Like, all he's going to do is screw it up for everybody else that's out here just racing cars and having fun. But he took the Ricky Carmichael approach from Supercross, which was, I'm going to outwork you when I'm not on my motorcycle. Jimmy's going to outwork you when he's not in his car. And now everybody's in that good shape. I mean, Jamie McMurray wrote a bicycle from Greenville, South Carolina to the top of

Mount Mitchell. It's a hundred-plus mile ride, not to mention 5,000 vertical feet when you get to Mount Mitchell. So you and I couldn't even... Oh, me too. But, I mean, that tells you, you know, people say these guys aren't athletes. Whatever. If you believe that, I'm not going to get into that argument with you because you're ignorant.

Yeah. I guess I just got into the argument with I'll get into it with you. But when they're out there running a race and their heart rates are in the 130s, man, that's in a hundred and twenty-five degree heat for four hours, you know, that... Dude, I grew up in Long Island, New York,

and I was the kid that was picked on my whole life for being a racing guy. Yeah, of course you were. So, I mean, I was dogged on my whole life. And I remember telling a kid one time, how about you do this? How about you get in your car? I don't want you to go 150,

180, 190 miles an hour. Yeah. Just give me 65. five miles an hour. Yeah. And go from this end of the Long Island Expressway all the way out to Riverhead Raceway at the end of the expressway. Yeah. And give that to me, turn your heat up and roll your windows up.

And I don't even, I don't care about the speed and the mental agility of, you know, and the craziness of that. And just give me that short one hour drive. Yeah. But I'll meet you out there at River Ed with a popsicle. Yeah. And we'll see how you're feeling. Yeah.

Yeah. That's the reality of it. I mean, it requires a lot of focus. you know. I mean, we don't have to go there. We know what it is to be a race car driver.

I don't know what it is to be a race car driver, but having lived around this, we know those guys are athletes. And I've raced a 104 degree day at Summer Shootout in a Legends car that has a screen in front of you. Yeah.

So, and I could crack my visor open and kind of do this so I didn't get anything in my eyes. Yeah. And dude, I was burning up, and that's a 15-lap race. Yeah, nothing to it. That's what they tell you.

Oh, you can go out here and run GoPro for 10 minutes and your hands are shaking and your ribs hurt. And you're like, man, I'm going to, what, 60 miles an hour? I'm doing it. You just said your ribs hurt. Yeah, whatever. Well, yeah. Hey, by the way, speaking of GoPro, did you get any?

I saw some feedback from, uh. Yes, nice of you guys to make that video. I never heard from Ford. I guess he's still mad or something. I sent him a link to the video. Did you? Yeah. Good.

Hopefully he enjoyed it. Let's take a break. This is your Exalta Race Center update. I'm Matthew Dillner. The Pocono Mountains was the setting for 400 miles of up series speed on Sunday. A pack grandstand watched as Martin Trix Jr. used pit strategy and pulled away for his second win of the season. Kyle Bush took the checkered flag in Saturday's NASCAR Xfinity Series race at Pocono. Elliot Sather scored the top finish for junior motorsports with his

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who would perform better, Johnson without Canouse or Canals without Johnson, Brett? This was a debate over the weekend. and everybody that I talk to say Jimmy Johnson. I mean, when you look at that guy and you look at what he's done, and I don't know, maybe we'll find out one day who's going to be better. Johnson without canouse or canounce without Johnson. But I got to say Jimmy Johnson, man, I think he's a real-life Superman in a race car, be honest with you.

Yeah, I mean, Jimmy Johnson's talents are unmistakable. Chad canouse is, how do I say this, anal retentiveness in details and preparation and exhausting level of dedication. And the exhausting level of dedication he requires from people is what makes him great. But over a long haul could be in a way something that's a detriment to him. I get it. And he's a champion and a hall of famer. I would say Jimmy because of the fact that he's got that incredible obsessiveness as far as, you know, achievement and being the best he could be.

But he's got a little bit more of a laid back approach, which I think in the long haul season. Jimmy may be the only guy that could tolerate Chad for this long. You know, I mean, based on some of the radio conversations I've heard, based on some of the condescending things that I hear Chad say to a seven-time champion. He's a seven-time champion himself, too. I realize that. But as a teammate, if I'm your center, I'm not going to turn around to you as my quarterback and be a condescending. You either. So I think that when you look at it, man, I was fortunate enough to work with Todd Parrott.

And Todd had won a lot of races with Dale Jarrett and won a championship with Dale Jarrett. So when he got to be Elliott Sadler's crew chief and he came in and he was assertive and he was Todd Parrott, you respected it. Yes. Because Elliot hadn't warranted, you know, he hadn't won a lot of, he won one race so far when he got to Yates, right? So when Todd got there, we won two races that year. And we made the first ever chase playoff, you know, the sprint chase, whatever the hell it was called then and whatever it's called now. I can't keep up with it. But we made the first chase.

And we did that under Todd's leadership. And when Todd would become that assertive person on the radio, everybody around him went, hey, we all deserve this. But if that would have been Jimmy Johnson in that car, and Todd's talking down to whoever, he'd be like, easy dude, that's Jimmy Johnson. You know what I mean?

Yeah, I think if they didn't have that relationship for as long as they would, it wouldn't mesh. Yeah. If you continue to trend the way Hendrick is trending right now with Jimmy, I think.

But is that the weird thing? Is that the Chevrolet change or is that, you know, I don't know. Here's the weird thing is, and this is all hearsay, this isn't us starting a rumor on this podcast. For years and years and years

and years and years and years. Come October, you would hear Jimmy and Chad are splitting up. Oh, yeah, you hear it all the time. They've had enough of each other, but if you watch it close enough, you can understand why. And it's like they have the winner to get over it, and they show back up at Daytona, and it's a new honeymoon all over again, and they start back winning races, and it's all fixed. So I think that this is a cool conversation just to have, because it's almost like you're saying, who's better?

Richard Petty or Del Eammon? Who's better? David Pearson or Leonard Wood. What was the answer with Inman and Petty? It was they were better together. Yeah. And Jimmy Johnson, I think, is on the Mount Rushmore of NASCAR. Yeah.

Undoubtedly, in my opinion. But is he better with Chad Canouse? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe you don't change anything. I wouldn't. If I was Mr. Hander, I'd be like, stick together, get over it.

Build a bridge. Get over it, guys. Yeah. I mean, you look at Ray Everingham, Jeff Gordon. Man, if they had stayed together. Robbie Loomis came in there and you thought, well, he's a big deal. He's coming out of this, that and another, and he and Jeff Gordon. They accomplished a lot really, really quickly.

But they did that, according to the industry sources that we all had at that team. They did it with shocks and springs and setups that Ray already had set up for the next two months, you know, because Ray was going off to do the Dodge deal. Then after that kind of eight to ten week thing went away and Robbie Loomis was steering the ship, you saw a rapid decline in Jeff's performance. So sometimes when it's working, it works. And sometimes when it's not, you've got to be patient and assume it'll come back. you know I know that was long on 30 seconds.

Much longer than 30 seconds. Sorry. So that's okay. If it's good conversation, I heard that ding when you're talking about Parrott. And I'm sitting there like, don't even ding that, man.

This is great insight that like, you know, being a guy that listens to the show and now getting to be a part of it, you know, the little insider type stuff like that is what us racing people like to hear. Todd Parrott can still get it done. You know, I watch him go get on his plane yesterday after the race and fly home.

He's now with a subpar team, a team that's just, hanging on. But I look at him when he was at the 95 last year with McDowell versus the 95 how they turned around versus the 95 this year with Casey Kane. Like Todd paired and Michael McDowell ran better than Casey Kane and his current crew chief who came from Hendrick. So I think, but the problem was all the guys on the team are going, it's hard to work for Todd. He's mean. Oh, gosh. Todd just. A lot of people have trouble with that. Like they're little women, you know, and they need to grow up and become men because,

and look, there are women that work in the sport that are tough enough to take it. I would say we can't judge that, though, until T-Mack gets a whole, a half a season and where we go. You know, like you said, showing up to these racetracks a second time. I hear you, but he's got Casey Kane. If he didn't have Casey Kane, I'd be like, if he didn't have Casey Kane,

I'd say, okay, you're right. But Michael McDowell is a good guy who tended to run around 20th in that car. Okay, Casey Kane is a lot higher caliber driver. Casey Kane didn't run 15th to 20th most of the year last year? He ran 15th last year, won a race, you know, made a playoff. But nonetheless, we're talking about Casey Kane versus Michael McDowell. We're talking about Todd Parrott, Michael McDowell versus what they have now. I think that because those guys in the shot jumped up and down screaming Todd's mean,

Todd got let go, and Casey didn't work with him. And they did it before the end of the year, and they let their engineer guy McLevin, I think's his name. I think I work with him at Richard Chilis. Some of the greatest personalities in our sport that have led have been hard personalities from suitcase Jake Elder. Yeah. You know, you talk about the people that work with him.

Right. It was not easy. No. Even Junior Johnson at times. You know, you hear stories about how tough it was to work for Junior. Yeah. Hey, I had a guy yesterday. There was a car owner that his driver missed an appearance about an hour and a half.

He was late. Hour and a half. That ain't good. And he pulled the PR guy side and basically put him in a headlock and said, if y'all are ever late again, somebody better be hearing body bags because I'm not putting up with you guys being late. And I think that's, you know, when people say, well, how did I grow up? That's how I grew up. Yeah.

You were on time. You were a rare role. Consequences. Yeah. Yeah. You were held accountable. But now everybody gets the butt hurt and they get the feelings all in a wad. And, you know, they start crying.

It's overspilled milk. But a guy like Todd Parrott, I'm just going back to this statement. He was one of my favorite people. ever work with in a sport because I never had to wonder what he was thinking when you saw him he would be like stop doing this and you'd be like 10-4 brother do more of this you'd be like okay I got it's coming out of me all right here we go you know so I appreciated that I don't I didn't like the management style of looking over your shoulder and there's so many introverts now and I'm not bashing what we have now but engineers are leading our sport now not racers engineers aren't extroverts you know they're not

people people they're they're introverts and their computer people so a lot of times you walk into these lounges and it's not me because boogga's not like this boogah wears his feelings on his sleeve like you've never seen before and he's a racer and he's a racer uh but but you walk into some of these meetings and you walk out going i don't know if that guy likes me hates me does do a good job don't do a good job sitting there looking at that computer screen yeah it's just a completely different human element leading the charge now versus what it well and it's not a bad thing it's just evolution right i mean the sport is involved technology is involved that was going to happen either way you know now we got three engineers team. When I got here, we didn't even have one. It was a crew chief. He did it all. But the cool part about it is having work with a guy like Todd, you appreciate a guy that'll put his nose to the ground, outwork you and tell you what's up. And you just take it. Take it like a man. Yeah. Steve O'Donald said the Restrictor Plate package could be used in up to three more cup races this season. Which three tracks would you like to try this package at? Oh boy. I was hoping I wouldn't have to talk about this first. But I guess we do have some sounds.

So that saves me a little bit. So Steve O'Donnell was on Sirius XM on Monday morning, and he had this to stay. So that's really where we are. We'll have something soon to our intent is to try it if we can. All right. Matthew, thoughts? I don't want to comment, but I'm going to comment. I love my support.

You have to comment. I have to comment because I'm technically not a host this week. I'm more of an analyst. I'm T.J. I'm not very happy with this. And there's a reason. I think I've alluded to it in the past and I've alluded to it to friends.

You have this right here. This is where we're at. This is where we went all the way over here to the left to try this package. Why can't we go all the way to the right here to try this package? I'm sick and tired of reactions like this and going to that left.

Okay? With these more hour-dependent cars. Let's throw some big spoilers on them. Let's make them easier to drive. Let's pack them up, let's slow them down. There's ways to slow down race cars. And the way to slow down race cars to provide better racing is by two things. A tire that falls off.

And in my opinion, something we've never tried, which is reducing the tread width of the tire, forcing the cars to slow down in the corners. Taking horsepower away, adding aerodynamics and downforce is not the answer to our sports problems. You have 30 seconds, not 30 minutes. And I don't care. I learn not to ding anymore. Don't ding this because I'm just so passionate about this answer, and I don't think we're headed the right direction.

Why don't we just bring back the COT car? You get two tries, Matthew. Like, you go first, and then I go, and then you get to go again. Dang, son. I'm stepping off the soapbox. Your face is red as your-you-hmm. Thanks for giving me the ding. You should have given it 20 seconds ago.

Face is red as your shirt. So here's the thing, and mine's going to take as long as 30 seconds, but not as long as Matthew, I hope. Hey, come on. I had to follow up your 30 minutes on. There's a lot of players in this, right? The OEMs, the race teams, the NASCAR of the sanctioning body, and ultimately a track promoter, right? Because whichever track gets this has to go out and promote it and sell tickets for it. And the track promoters want this. And Marcus Smith got a lot of credit at the All-Star race for being the track to try this. So Marcus Smith is apparently pushing for this to end up in Kentucky. That's the big question is how fast can we get it ready and can we put it out there? We all. We all. have our opinions on whether or not it's great. It is what it is. I think from an OEM perspective, it makes us look way too much like the IROC series. And we can't go out and hang our hat on the Toyota dominance at Toyota winning the race at Pocono. You know, Chevrolet wins a Daytona 500. Like that the same package every week is going to get boring eventually, right? It is what it is. But the question here is, what three tracks would you like to try this package at? We didn't even, we didn't

even answer the question. And now you can give me 30 seconds, Jason. Again, I think it has to be at places that are very high banked. So it's got to be at a Michigan. It's got to be at whatever our most bank mile and a half track is. And I think that's probably Texas. You're in the corner of a long time, long sweeping corner. If you slowed them down to 165 miles an hour like Charlotte, they could probably run almost wide open if not wide open.

So if we're going to have to try it, keep it away from homestead. And here's the thing, though, man. If you say Texas and we go do Texas two weeks. before our finale, and we change the whole championship outcome because there's a big plate-style wreck getting into one, and it takes out half the field, and all of a sudden, here comes, you know, somebody barreling through the field that just didn't get in a wreck, and he gets automatically just transfers to Homestead, man. We didn't work 34 weeks to get to that point as a race team. We all worked 34 weeks to have the fastest car and the best opportunity to win, and this parity package that we're throwing out there, I don't want that that late in the season. Track-wise, though, track-wise, it makes sense in a place like Texas. I'm going to pick my three tracks right now.

I'm going to pick Birmingham, Rockingham, and North Wilkesboro, because we race at zero of them. And that's where I want this package run. I don't want this package run at any points-paying races. I don't mind seeing it at Charlotte Motor Speedway, but a few weeks ago you alluded to the fact that it takes away the hero factor of this sport, and I'm reminded of Ken Squire saying, you know, and this is captured in my childhood going to racetracks

and seeing common men like you and I doing uncommon things. And I think this package produces a style of racing that is common men doing something that you and I and Jason can do. Yeah, yeah. I don't like it. Well, that's what I said about the Pocan, I think. I mean, I watched them come under the flag stand.

I'm like, I'd go that fast. You know, it wasn't a wow factor. Doesn't wow me. Yeah, I'm with him. Now we're headed to Michigan. Kyle Larson has won the last three Michigan races. Will he win again on Sunday and put Chevy back in victory lane for the first time since Daytona? Brett.

Yeah, I feel like he was not a top four car yesterday at Pocono, and yet Chad found a way to get him a top two finish, along with his spinning of the old copster. I don't think he wins again. I don't think they have the speed yet. I mean, they were decent at Charlotte, but I don't think he's going to go. I think you're still looking at 1878, 4, and you're going to have one more player in there. And I don't know if that's Legano or if it's a Clint Boyer or who that may be. Maybe it's a Denny Hamlin. Denny's got to wake up a little bit.

I would say no. I don't think Kyle Larson's going to repeat and repeat, repeat, it was a four. It would be four. Four in a row. That would be incredible. I don't think it's going to happen, even though he's clearly the top Chevrolet. I honestly have this hunch, and it's because maybe he's. He's ran so good at Michigan, and Chevrolet at a place that is so important to the manufacturers,

and Chevrolet's been hurting right now, I think that Chase Elliott is kind of a dark horse right now because of the performance of Chevrolet, but I think Chase Elliott is the guy from Chevrolet that this week could actually pull it off. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. It's out there, but. I think the element for the fans to pay attention to at Michigan this weekend is, will this track widen out? you know, having the Xfinity cars in this other package on Saturday may help the racing on Sunday because they're going to be putting a lot of rubber down, especially on one and two, outside of that bottom groove.

So it'll be interesting to see how much that groove widens out. We all know the more it widens out, the more it helps the guy like Kyle Larson. So if you're a cup fan only, pay attention to this race on Saturday, because if you see those guys laying out a lot of rubber in the third, fourth, fifth groove, which used to exist at Michigan before we repaved it. Before the refave. Like, this could make Sunday's race. a lot different in terms of what we see.

And I'm excited about that for Sunday. Running 208 miles an hour, getting into turn 1 versus 165. It's exciting. Watching them stop to make the corner. Watching them wheel it, watching the cars be loose and tight. You know, versus just baw.

You know what I mean. Yeah. Off the wall topic. The Warriors and Cavs are meeting in the NBA finals for the fourth consecutive season. Does this repeated matchup make you more or less interested in the finals. Brett?

You know, I'm all four in sports having the best teams compete to win. And when I look at guys in our sport that have gone out in one, ten races, and people complain, who's winning too much, if they're the best team and that's the best driver, that's what sports are built on. You know, if we go out and we have three or four guys that can win, which yesterday we did, that's entertaining. You know, when you go to plate races,

you've got 20 guys that can win. That's entertaining. But for me, as a sports fan, I think these are the best two teams in the NBA, with the best two players in the NBA on opposing teams, and it's a treat for the fans. I mean, LeBron is playing his heart out. Steph Curry's making shots that I used to think Larry Bird was the greatest shooter.

Larry Bird couldn't carry his guy's underwear. Larry Bird, yeah, he was tough, and yeah, he was also six-foot whatever. Steph Curry's small, and he's out there just dropping bombs on these people. Like, if you are in. Game shots. Yeah, it's entertaining, and for me, the best teams should compete for championships, and that's what we're seeing here. All right, we got LeBron versus Curry.

right now this season, it looks like we have Kyle Bush versus Kevin Harvick. If it comes down at Homestead to the two of those guys after the seasons they have so far going on, that would be a win for our sport. Absolutely. So why wouldn't it be a win for the NBA? I think it's an incredible thing for both leagues. But I'm not a basketball guy. I care more about Stanley Cup finals. And the Vegas Golden Knights and what they're going to do.

They're down two to one against the caps. I care about that. And NASCAR, I don't care about this NBA stuff. Yeah. The caps, man. That's a history. Ryan Ellis' team team. You know, and then you got the Vegas who just started.

I don't want, you know, I hate the caps with all my heart. How exciting. I hate them, but like Vegas, man, that would be like a team coming in first year at NASCAR. Yeah. And, you know, first time owner, rookie driver, all this stuff, and put a bunch of guys that weren't accepted by other, you know, teams. Yeah. A rag tag group together, and they go out there and they win the championship. It's a great story.

Way, I don't want it to happen because it's like, man, it shouldn't come that easy. I know. It sounds too good to be true. You know, Aaron, who works for me, she took me to my first game. It was a Caps game years ago. Shana, who works here is a big Minnesota wild fan. Joel, who spots for Eric Amarola is a big Minnesota wild fan. Really?

I didn't know that. Yeah, he's got a bunch of buddies up there. So I've been trying to follow it, man. Playoff hockey's intense. Playoff hockey, to me, playoff hockey is the best playoff in all the professional sport. They do a good job with it. And they fight. I love that.

Yeah, not very much. anymore. Yeah, but they still fight. Yeah. I love it. A little bit. I think we should fight a little bit more here. But that's just me. That's another topic.

Yeah. In studio fight? No, not in studio. I'm talking on the track. Not this in the pit garbage where nobody sees it, man. In front of the grandstand. Yeah. So Madhouse is apparently coming back.

Did you hear that? Yeah, Madhouse technically isn't coming back. But the show is similar to it. And I can't really talk about it because I was, I could, yeah, I've been helping shoot. Oh, you have? That's what you were doing on the Twitter picture the other day that you said you look skinny on. Yeah, well, it's been out there now. Yeah, I did look skinny. Man, anytime I could look skinny, it's a good thing. You were like, I looked skinny in this picture. Well, it was like an aerial shot from top of low. So you were at Bowman Gray, when that picture was taken. Yeah, I wasn't just standing in the infield eating jerky, which I actually was while I was working. You can confirm you were at Bowman Gray.

I can confirm I can confirm there's some form of, see, it's already been reported that there's a television show being shot. So I guess I'm not breaking anything. Can we say what, network you saw? I personally can't. But you can take a guess. It's not the old one. I know it's not the old one. Yeah. But bottom line is, any grassroots... So I got to ask you this.

You may know the truth. You may know the truth to this. All right. Talk to me. Okay, so Madhouse comes on. I get addicted to it. I can't wait to get home on Sunday nights to watch, you know, these guys race and then they fight and then all the drama around it, right?

I love it. I love it. And all of a sudden it goes away. And I heard NASCAR bought it up and shut it down. No. That ain't what happened. That ain't what happened. What happened?

From what I was told... by two people that were inside, the History Channel executive did not like motorsports. So, what an idiot. Exactly. Don't know if that's completely true. I can't confirm that because I've never talked to this gentleman. Right.

And just like that rumor is a rumor. Yeah. But all I know is there is a lot of noise made by that show, and there's a lot of money to be had. And if you look at Beaum Gray, the other night, man, there was, they, you know, I've been there a few times this year and they have an off night and they still have 11,000 people. Right. You know, there's nights where their capacity is 16,900 people, and they're five deep around the outer rim of the top of that stadium. Yeah.

And it's just the eighth wonder of the world in motorsports. It's an incredible, incredible thing. And it's the drama that ensues on that television show. What too, man? It's incredible. On the business side, I mean, that's where my passion lies during the weekend racing, right? On the business side, it gives a lot of hardworking blue-collar guys like Junior Miller and those guys, an opportunity to sell sponsorship.

He gives them an opportunity, though, to sell sponsorship. Yes. You know what I mean? And when you were while I was watching that show, I was like, man, this is a huge marketing arm for this race team and a huge sales opportunity for these race teams. And then went away. I was like, dang it. Because the guy that worked at MWR at the time.

Tim Brown. Tim Brown. He was in this report at the end of the show. Right. Burt Myers, of course, was in it. Yeah. Now you got guys like Bobby Measmer, Kevin Hughes owns his car with a racing electronics. Yeah.

But it's guys on the business. that I mean, you know, I'm going, hey, huge dollar-sign opportunity for these guys. And good for them. Yeah. They're making no money. They're losing money. Every week they go show up to do this. Oh, dude, these guys make money now.

When the Madhouse thing happened and that first season started airing, the weeks after that, Bowman Gray was like a sausage. It was like a sausage coming out of its casing when you leave it on the grill too long. It's like the place was exploding. There was no place to sit. Yeah. But then when they open up the pits afterwards and these drivers stand there by their cars, some of them, like this week, Measmer didn't even load his car.

So the fans can get there and get pictures in front of it and sign autographs and buy t-shirts. You see it at dirt tracks all the time. You don't see it at asphalt tracks. You don't see it anywhere anymore in the asphalt scene. They got it there. There was thousands of people in the pit area buying t-shirts, becoming fans for life of our sport. And it's so, so awesome to see. Yeah.

I'm glad the show's coming about. Allegedly. Reportedly. All right. Discover Channel. Go ahead. What's next? Let's go on ask DBCC, where?

producer Jason chose Asked EBC questions while sitting in the Chicago airport. Jason, I'm more excited. You picked these bad questions out. Give us your better. Let's do a retake. Oh, you got four hours of sleep.

Okay, I know. You're telling that to me. This four hours of sleep stuff for this college kid. I don't even want to hear it. What do you think our four hours of sleep was back in our college days? Dude. We'd be a lot rougher shape than you. I got four hours of sleep.

God bless me. I mean, what would Dick Trickle say right now, man? He used to have that deal two hour, uh, an hour of sleep for every hundred laps you had to race. So you know how hard he could hit it at night. I mean, dude, you're... Come on, man. Suck it up, Buttercup.

That could be the title of the show. Suck it up, Buttercup. Yeah. All right. More excited. First question. At S. Bowen, 81. Brett, did you ever confuse the four car with the 14 car any time during the race?

I did not during the race. And it was because we were up front, you know, the majority of the race. And had we been both running 10th to 15th, It could have easily happened. It happened once during practice. You know, because during practice, you're watching a lot of different things. And I see the blue car come under me. And I'm like, that's me.

I'm like, no, that's not me. I'm not sure where I'm out. I'm over there in the tunnel turn a mile and a half beyond what I thought was me. But during the race, no, it didn't happen. Fortunately for us, we ran up front. Again, man, if this were a plate race, it could be a nightmare to pull this off. So I had no warning. The first time I saw this, it was on Twitter.

And I sent the crew chief of message and it was like, hey, a little help. Up on a roof number would be nice, and it's all good, man. It's a really cool promotion. I mean, when you look at the sport, and I mean, I remember as a kid, remember in two Marlborough cars in the IndyCar series. And, you know, I think. Elio Kestra Davis and Jill DeFarren at one point. Yeah, they're at Penske.

And you're like, man, this is kind of cool for me because it's almost like those two little IndyCar matchbox cars I played with and watched on TV. I can now in real life spot for a similar scenario. So, and those were inverted paint schemes back in the day. We didn't really do that. It just was, you know, barely one PMS shade of blue off from the other one. But I just thought it was cool to be a part of that, honestly. And I like beer.

Who doesn't? All right. Oh, wait, wait, wait, Jason doesn't. Hey, you're not going to like beer the first time you taste it. Okay. Good to know. Good to know. You're going to like something.

For the first time you taste it, I'm sure you have not tasted it yet. Never ever. You're going to taste something. You're going to like something really sissified. He's going to be sitting there with Barthles and James. wine coolers. Yeah, it's like a really, a really fruity,

fruitsy, vodka, McCarty drink is going to be your go-to. And you're going to look like a wuss. He's going to be sitting there and pounded as myc store lemonade. You're going to look like a six-foot-one

wuss drinking this drink with this umbrella in it. But that's okay. Oh, wait, hold on a second. It is acceptable to drink an umbrella dackerry type drink as a man if you're like at the beach. Yeah.

So just if you can do that, just go to be practicing at the beach. Yeah. Well, what's going to happen is one day, you're going to be. drinking that at the honkyton. You're going to be really, really hot outside from doing something. And I don't know what you kids do to actually get hot outside anymore.

Do they go outside? But if you go outside and you actually work, you start sweating. And then when you start sweating, you get really, really thirsty. And after you get really thirsty from working, like raking leaves or mowing grass or changing the oil in your car on a hot summer day, then when you drink that beer after that, you're going to be like, oh. This is what they were talking about. From that day on, you're going to call him. You'll like to taste a beer. All right.

I'll call you when that happens. Yeah. But you got to do the first part first, which I know it's hard for you guys at 20 years old. I know. Yeah, we go outside and shoot video content. That's our... Yeah, I know. Outdoor work.

The blue sneakers, though, don't make your feet too hot enough. Yeah. Go make an orange. Go cut some firewood. Like, go do something manly. What's you going to do with the firewood? I've got our apartment. Build a fire.

Where? In the middle of a field. I'll find one. You'll find a random field. Yeah. Kitty's at home. Don't do this. Be a man.

Can I come to your house, build a fire? Yeah. All right. Yeah. I'll do that. See you there. Actually, I got a propane tank fire right. I had a freaking out.

I had a fire pit at my last house. This new house has got like a, I got the propane one. Oh, God. Well, you were saying all that. Now I feel like a woods. I felt like a wood. I felt like a wood wood. Because you're talking about like cut your old lawn.

And lately I haven't cut my own lawn. and you're talking about, what was it? Changing oil. When the last time you changed oil? I was like, dude, I used to change my oil all the time of my truck and stuff. And now I got this little stupid car. I don't change oil. So we threw watermelons all summer.

I mean, we farm watermelons in Pennsylvania. And, dude, it was so hot. But it was harder to bail hay and load that crap up because it's 50 pound bales of hay versus 18, 15, 18, 18 pound watermelon as heavy as you went. And 1850. That's what you did. That's what you did. That's what you did.

That's a easier thing to throw because of the grip size compared to But that's what you did to work out to get ready to play football next year, was you worked, you know? You didn't have P90X and all this crap these kids have now. They're personal, I mean, I'm taking my kid. Obviously, Jason's taking some P90X. My kid is five, my kid's five years old, and I'm taking him to a personal baseball trainer this Wednesday. Well, that's okay for the, you know, the swing. I know, but we didn't have that.

It was, you went out and did it. You grabbed three baseball bats and you swung those things. I kind of feel hypocritical doing it, but I'm going to do it anyway. Because if you don't do it, these other kids, get way better. Yeah. So you need your kid to be the best. Well, I'm competitive.

It's going to win. Yeah. It sucks to suck, and I don't like to suck. All right. At Scott Campo 1 asked, should cup drivers who win in an Xfinity or truck race and have an illegal car be banned from that series for a set number of races?

That's a good question. This isn't on the driver. This is on NASCAR. And I'll be honest with you. I actually had some notes on this because this was going to be my rant, but I'll do it now. The integrity of the sport is in jeopardy when the winner of the race is found illegal and we let it continue to happen. We have to do one or two things. We have to start taking the win away, or we have to loosen these post-tech rules, right?

These post-race tech rules. So we have a car that shows up that gets inspected before it gets on the track. It gets cleared, mainly a safety inspection, but nonetheless an inspection. Then before qualifying in the Xfinity series, it gets under the car. another sticker to go out and be allowed to race. It passes. After the race, it fails and it wins. So Elliott Sadler doesn't win Dash for Cash.

He doesn't win it Dover. He doesn't get the trophy. And Justin Algar was illegal. Okay? And you look at it and you go, man, that sucks. But at least it was a junior motorsports car. Then you get to Pocono. Elliot Sadler runs six.

You know, like, hey, we'd have a top five if they'd have kicked out the leader. The winner, who was once again illegal? Like, you're either legal or you're illegal. And if you're going to continue to get to win illegally, I don't understand how the integrity of the game isn't at risk. You have to do one of two things. You have to take the win away because they were illegal, and Matthew just said he don't want to take the win away.

Well, dude, you're letting illegal guys win. Or you have to say we're going to change the way we do tech post-race. We're going to have some more leniency and let engineering do its job because that's what's happening. People aren't building these cars to go out and be illegal. They're building them and setting them up from an engineering perspective to change during the race to go faster. That's working.

And then the post-tech race deal is obviously catching them. So we have got to stop one of these two things. Stop letting the guy win, who's illegal, or make it easier to pass post-race tech. I think you hit a huge point there. Huge point, because if we take the win away, then the people that leave go read the paper. Oh, wait, I watched Kyle Bush win, but he didn't win.

That's disappointing. Now, if he had a freaking big block in there, and it was something like that, something really stupid like that, I could see it. But when it's an aerodynamic measurement or something like that, which is a big advantage now. I say you either don't slap them on the wrist. But obviously, these taking away the car chief and stuff, that's not working. That's stupid. And it's stupid because of a guy like Kyle Bush, who's not a series regular. Not that they went in there by design to do that, but if you change the inspection process to wear a pre-year,

race inspection. More onus is put on that. And once your car is cleared to actually compete in the race, that morning, that aerodynamic and all those measurements there are not going to be measured in post-race. They got to do something. Okay. If you want to do that, bring the winner to R&D, find out what they're doing, tell them not to return with that. And that's how you do it. But none of this encumbered, cucumbered stuff anymore. It's confusing. Here's the thing. We know that Bill France said, I want the people in the stands when they leave the track to know who won the race. And it's a great point.

Not anymore. Because guess what you got when you leave the track? You got Facebook, you got Twitter, you got serious radio, you got all these means to find out, oh, by the way, that changed. Kyle Bush was found illegal, but he still kept the win. Where I have the problem is, but he still kept the win. He can't be winning, and I'm not talking about Kyle, I'm talking about the sport. You can't win and be a lot.

illegal. If you're illegal, you're not a winner. You're a cheater. So change the, change the freaking process after the race to where we don't identify all this crap. I mean, this is negative publicity about the sport that actually jeopardizes the integrity of the win. We don't need that crap out there, Matthew. You know that. I know that. We're too far advanced in times for this to still be going on. So you don't, let me ask you this then based off of that. Would you be okay if they inspected the cars before the race and that's a, what it was. Yes.

Besides major tear down and R&D, you know, if there was something really over the top which is shocks. Shocks or engines. Yes, which is those kinds of things. Absolutely. Or a completely blatant illegally part. But here's the thing about that. When we go to Homestead, the championship contenders have to submit their car to NASCAR prior

to the race. They have to submit their car at the R&D Center, not at the track. Yes. Then during the weekend, those four cars have. one official that watches every single thing they do throughout the weekend during that garage bay so that there's no opportunity to alter those parts and pieces that have considered to be illegal in Concord, North Carolina, even though we're in Homestead, Florida. NASCAR doesn't have the manpower to do that.

No. So if we're going to do it, we're opening up something that I'm a big fan of, which is pioneering the sport. It's you got your guys on the ground. They got their two to four hour window to pass these cars. Once they pass, hey, it's. Good luck. Yep. Good luck.

May the best team, the best driver, and the most innovative people on these teams win. I don't mind that at all. I don't either. But what we're doing right now, I'm aggravated by it.

Yeah. And if I'm aggravated by it and people are asking us questions like this, because I didn't know this. The fans are. I didn't know this was in the show. The fans are. And this is not on our biggest stage,

you know. And it's, I don't know. It is what it is. But I hope they do something. I hope they do it like now. At K-Stretch 21 Ask. asked. Brett mentioned not being able to see in turn one. Do you guys just go silent when you can't see,

or do you just say, good luck. I'll be back in a few seconds. So we can see turn one. It's just the, the biggest thing for us, K-stretch 21, is they're going away from us. So our depth perception is really funky. I mean, they literally are a mile away from us, and we're looking at the bumper of the car. So if the car behind our car takes the left and appears to be inside, we can't really call inside because we can't tell. We can see it. We just can't call it very accurately. So, So we, they, it's a timing thing. Like you see the run coming, you count the run coming like you're in a play track. Three, two, one, half quarter.

Looking low, then it's up for them to the driver to use their left side mirror and make a move. But, I mean, you saw yesterday and on Saturday a lot of racing with no incidents down there. So I think, you know, the relationships between the driver and spotter works. But it is hands down the hardest corner in NASCAR spot. Has there ever been any consideration you would know this? at Indianapolis, it's its own monster as far as you have to have to have two spotters. Right. You know, sometimes I know people that have had a third.

You know, you put a person down in turn three, I believe it is. Has there ever been any consideration with the depth of perception problem that there is a challenge, excuse me, that there is at Pocono, to put somebody down in turn one to better judge that? So yes, and some guys do that. They'll put a spotter in turn one in the infield because they have a straight on look at. at the corner to say clear or not clear. The difference, though, Matthew, is we don't run close enough, long enough for it to matter. The start of the race, the restarts, that's the only time where it's extremely important, and you just, they know they're in a lot of traffic.

If you hear a spotter say, hold your line, it means we don't really know what to tell you. We can't clear you. We can't tell you inside, outside. All we can say is hold your line, and if you don't do anything, you won't get any surprises, that kind of thing. So I think because we're only talking about a handful of laps in a race, I mean, yesterday it was probably five or six laps total. A driver doesn't want to hear a strange voice just for that few of laps.

The solution to the problem is, and what makes it more exciting for the fans is, pick all those grandstands up on the front stretch, move them all to the tunnel turn, and make the grandstands go from the long pond straightaway around the tunnel turn back to that short shoot. Now you're giving fans a better vantage point of your race, and you're obviously giving spotters a better vantage point, of the track to be able to clear them getting into one, clear them coming off a three. Put the start finish line, smack dab in the middle of the tunnel.

That's your answer. That's like Phoenix style. If I'm the president of Pocono Raceway, that's the first change that I make is I'm going to go in there and I'm going to move on. Because the fans are sitting where the track is the least entertaining. The cars are literally just coming under them going, meo-o-low.

Those guys are wheeling it across that tunnel. two wide, three wide. Like, it's exciting back there. And they're on edge. I'm watching the Arka race driving out the tunnel. I'm like, look at these guys getting it over here. When they come under us, we don't see that. So put the stands in the tunnel.

I'm telling you, change the whole dynamic of that race. I like it. I have nothing to say besides awesome. It'll never happen. Well, that's because I'm not the president. Just like my idea for Pocono would be to... I've been to... I'm kidding.

I love that place, but it is, oh, it's not the greatest racetrack we go to, and I love that area, and I love the fans up there, and I love all that. But if we could, if we could somehow take that track and make it a, or make an alternate three-quarter mile oval, they used to have the race of champions here for the Modifieds and the National Parts of Federal Streetstock Championships there that use the front stretch and cut in and, you know, came around back where our garages basically are. and had a short track and that racing was spectacular I would love to explore that idea or a track inset within that track

so the two Pocono races that June and July so close together on the schedule where it's just like it's not as special as it should be right if they're at variant tracks one was on the Pocono two and a half mile incredibly unique weird race track

I think we'd appreciate that track a little bit more. Yeah. And then we'd go to the Pocono short track within the same facility. They have such a huge property there. They could make it happen. I don't see why not. I look at the identity thing that Charlotte just did.

They do an All-Star package, 600, a rowable. Like they have, for the first time, a lot of identity within each weekend. And I look at these other tracks like Dover, like Pocono, that put on the same race distance and the same event, two different times, start at the same time. Bristol is the same racetrack, but we know it as a day race night race. There's an identity. Same thing, you know, like a lot of these places, but there's no identity to go to Pocono twice,

maybe a 400-mile race. Make one of them a 200. Like, if you want to try shortening races, that's a great place to try. Twin-150s. Yeah, whatever. Like, there's a good... I've always said that.

Pay half the points for each 150. We've seen it work in IndyCar. That would be a way to spice up the second Pocono. You're going to think I'm crazy, but I was watching the finals last night. NBA? Yeah. What's that?

Yeah, NBA. So it's a Best of Seven series. Yeah. I'm looking at a home. I'm like, man, should Homestead be the best of three races? And we run a triple header in one day and your average finish and the tournament champion. Because it is a lot to ask of somebody for it all to be on the line for one race in the finals.

You know, because you had the nine races that got you eligible. I was like, man, what about a double points paying double header? Like something to make it fun. Anyway, it'll never happen. But you're laying in bed. If only. You're laying in bed and you're bored and you're like, man, this could be good. Let's run a two out of three at Homestead, see what happens, you know?

I do a lot of thinking like that. had an outlet to really discuss it would be dangerous. Yeah. Valid. Let's make some picks. We don't have picks. So TJ's off. Am I making TJ's pick?

No. Do you want me to, hey, if you give me like 20 bucks, I'll pick like Morgan Shepardt. Well, that's what I know how he's going to cry if he loses. Well,

yeah, I mean, he's, he's cried a lot. No, what we'll do is next week. We'll pick two guys. Okay.

Oh, he'll pick one. He'll pick one. Want to pick a guy for fun and not burn off? Like of anybody. Yeah, of anybody we want. Just for fun.

Yeah. I'll let you, ladies go first. Kevin Harvick. I'm not stupid. I'm not stupid. He led a record, he led 12,000 laps. He has now led 12,000 laps in his career. He led to 12,000 lap yesterday at Pocono.

That's incredible. And the crazy thing is, you look at this guy and you go, man, he's been dominant in a championship contender for three or four consecutive seasons. Like, what would have happened if he'd been in the Jimmy Johnson situation with Rodney Childers at Stuart Haas from the get-go? Or, you know, Bennett Hendrick from the get-go. Yeah. Because obviously, Childers is a great race team. And Kevin had a lot of success there. But he's more dominant and doing bigger things now than he's ever done.

Is that maturity, though? I don't know. Race car drivers sometimes get better. And we've forgotten this after the Gordon era where it's just all about these young kids. Yeah. Some race car drivers back when I was growing, they did. They got better as they entered their late 30s into the 40s.

Dale Jarrett was one of them. So he could be an example of that. Maybe. You know, maybe. I don't know the answer to that question, but you just sit here and watch it and you go, wow. Yeah. Plus they've hit it.

He's already a hall of fame. He's a hall of time. He's hit it at the right time. Having Rodney is as brilliant as he is and he's so shy. And, you know, it's unbelievable. He's an incredibly smart racing mind. Right. Well, he's a racer.

He's a race car. He's a late model racer himself. Okay, if we go to these DBC picks, I'm just going to put my money where my mouth was before, even though I don't think it's the most smart pick. But since we're having fun, Mike Harmon, he's not even in it. I'm going to say Chase Elliott, just for fun. Yeah. It's for fun.

Put a donut or something on it. It wasn't actually a donut day last week. I did hear that. I ate two donuts that day. It was amazing. It was great for my donut. Jason, thanks for stepping up. Of course.

How do you go to Phoenix and come back and not even have a sunburn? Hey, I've used plenty of sunscreen. Because you don't go outside. No, we went hiking. I came back. It was really hot. Oh, did you go into the university area there and go to like the library? Do you ever the library?

We used to go to the library all of us back in the day? The library. I'm telling you the library is where it's at. All right. Because there's librarians there. I'm worried about Jason. license fun meter. I'm not sure this kid knows how to have fun. Hey, school just ended, so I got a whole summer of fun.

21st birthday, we need to have an unofficial DBC fun meter pegged party and show this kid a good time. Yeah. Go on the lake. Now, that's fun. Yeah, I'm going to go on the lake. Yeah, that's fun. That would be a good time. I just need a boat.

I got a boat. All right. I'm on a boat. Yeah. I got a boat. I got a cooler. I got a credit card. You got gasoline.

I know college kids are good at using credit. cards. We can charge the gas. Yeah. We got a credit card. Yeah, we get. All right. Sounds good.

Mom said to me in one time when I was a kid, she's like, I don't have any money. I'm like, just write a check. She's like, yeah, that's what I'm saying. We don't have any money to write a check. Credit cards. Credit cards are a lot easier to do that. You need money to write a check? I didn't know that.

Those days of long gone, but I know what it means. All right. Thanks for listening. This was a long show. Matthew, thanks for filling in. Asa-Livista. Jason, good job. Thanks to one main and Exalta for the studio.

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