Door Bumper Clear - 116 - Spelling Lessons and Phone Drops

Episode Date: October 1, 2018

The gang is joined by Racer.com’s Kelly Crandall after the Charlotte ROVAL race to cover the wild finish, playoff eliminations, the 2019 rules package, Round of 12 predictions, Noah Gragson joining JRM, betting at Dover and more.  Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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White flag. Welcome to the light. All right. All right. George bumper clear. All right. I'm here. God, it's amazing.

I know. I know. Welcome back to your podcast. Between everybody being sick and, you know, testing. Special guest, T.J. majors, everyone. Yeah. Hey. I was here last week if you guys weren't sick.

That was the week before. That means you weren't here. You're in Kansas last week. It was two weeks ago when everybody was sick. But one show. I think you probably couldn't be there, but because we all couldn't. I took a two-day Kansas vacation, which was so exciting, as usual. Riving.

Yeah. But we have the whole cast today. Actually, plus one. Plus one. Who's the plus one? We have special guest, Kelly Crandall of Racer.com. Yeah, what am I doing here? You're about to find out.

I feel like I got the better end of the stick, because I was told that Brett and I, this This was the payback. Yeah, this was the payback. But I feel like I'm getting the better end of the stick. Of what? You haven't been to the show yet. So Kelly put in a request through Shana that works at JRM to speak with Elliot for basically an hour for her podcast that she does.

So I was like, straight off, she's got to come on hours. So Kelly was like, wow, okay, I'll do that. I was floored at first and then I was like, wait a minute. Did you listen to the show? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. What do you mean that she listen? I know.

I know what I'm getting into. but let's see if I say that again. I don't know if you know. A lot of stuff gets cut out. So once every seven or eight weeks we'll have somebody on, obviously. And we used to have Krista Voda come on as a media member. And Krista kind of had the toe the line of professional broadcaster. But she would come on here and say some really dirty things and some dirty innuendos.

So from a female perspective, that's why we asked you to come on. From a media perspective, that's why we ask you to come on. So all that we ask is that you do two things. You don't suck and you say at least once. I can do that. Okay, good. That's actually my favorite word.

Are these the rules now? Like, I was going to try to not say it. What is? Oh. That is my favorite word. There we go. Okay. That's out of the way.

I thought I was not going to have to say it. I was going to have to control myself. I'm really sorry, Jason, you have a lot of editing to do. No, it's not. So expectations from the media going into the road wall and I guess post-race evaluation of those expectations. Well, post-race, let me start with post-race

because that was absolutely crazy because those of us on Pit Road had no idea who was in. We were watching the fan vision and it gives us the points on there like you guys can see. But I tuned real quick to the NASCAR official channel

to see if they were calling it out because I could see on the fan vision it was a three-way tie. Which is nuts. Which was nuts because coming to the white flag we had an idea of who was in. Larson was going to be in or Larson was going to be out. Excuse me. I think Al Marolla and Jimmy were going to be in. And then all of a sudden, Jimmy and

Martin Spin. So we're all standing out there and I'm turning to like Bob Boccarus and Jeff Gluck. And I'm like, does anybody know who's in? NASCAR's not calling it out. Does anybody know who's in and we couldn't figure it out? We're all trying to get on Twitter to see if anybody else had tweeted it out. Of course, we have no reception out there. So we were lost for a good 15 minutes until Yeah, until TV came over to Jimmy and told him. It was that long before it was official. I think it was official before that, but those of us on Pit Road, it felt like us getting the information because we were cut off from Wi-Fi. We were cut off from Twitter and nobody on the radio that we didn't know.

Did NASCAR give any explanation as to what took so long, I guess? I don't know. Because they obviously had a lot to evaluate. I don't know because I wasn't inside. So I don't know if TV was doing a better job of explaining it. The little bit of information that I did see on Twitter when I was trying to scroll back was there might have been some concern whether Jimmy served his stop and go after he blew the chican and maybe they were looking at that if he needed a 30 second penalty in addition to where he had

crossed the line. But I don't know if it actually took that long. It was just those of us on pit road. We didn't know. We didn't officially know who to go talk to and who was out. So it was more just the TV basically told you. Yeah. I mean, because I stood with Jimmy the entire time because I had a feeling he was the one out,

just based on what I could best remember of best finishes in the round. I just, I had a feeling he was going to be the odd man out. So I stood by Jimmy the entire time and I'm watching his reaction and I'm watching TV come over and I'm watching live radio come over. And then I heard them say to him, I don't know if you've been told, but you're the one out. So that's how I found out was just standing there listening to radio TV. So expectations of the whole race, though. expectations to evaluation.

What do you think? My personal expectation going in was that it was going to be a disaster. Like an embarrassing disaster or a, what do you mean by disaster? A crash fest. Yeah. A wreck fest. Just qualifying in practice were that. Qualifying in practice.

I was there for both days of testing back in what was it July and it just seemed like nobody could get a handle on the place. So I went in thinking, oh God, this is going to be dumb. This is going to be an absolute. mess and I came out of it pleasantly surprised I think a lot of other people also went in thinking hey we're going to go down turn one lap one and we're going to wreck a bunch of cars right um so that was that was my personal tj did you notice how much harder it was for the cup cars to make a lap of that place versus the exfinity cars in terms of how much more out of control the cup cars were i was just about to see that um yeah they're definitely just faster in general on the banking especially like through three and four on the big track or what is that, 14, 15 or 13, 14, something like that. The Big Track 3 and 4.

Yeah. They were, you could have arrow issues still from into turn 4 or off of turn 4 from the big track into the chican there. You could have some pretty serious arrow issues. I saw the three car drift up to try to, you know, going to try to outbreak somebody in the corner and it just took off on them. Yeah. So. That big bump out of 4. I don't know if TV gave it any press out of the.

oh, we'll turn four into that front stretch chicane. There was a big bump right by the barrels. There were a few. They cover them. They really get upset. Yeah. There's a tunnel over there, too. Yeah.

But you could definitely see, you could definitely see the guys that were more stable under breaking. But honestly, I think it's a nice characteristic to have. You got, you know, guys trying outbreak each other with a little bit of a bump there. And it definitely bit some people, too. Yeah. I felt like it was a big deal, too, that we didn't have, you know, guys running both races. I know Hemrick did. but all those cup guys, the five or six, seven or ten that would have maybe ran on Saturday,

they couldn't because it was an infinity playoff, so they didn't get extra practice. But I'll say this, and I want to know what TJ thinks. I feel like these guys were out there learning the track, and they were balls to the wall, and they were finding their limits, and they were making errors. When they all got out there racing around one another, they were judging off one another of the breaking points. And the pace of the race always slows down, even in an oval, because you're in traffic. And I think that helped for the first 50 laps of the cup race to not see so many errors because they were just trying to get to the next stage, get to the final stage, put themselves

in position to run well. Yeah, well, that's it too, though. If we go here for 20 years, these guys are 15 years. They're going to know where the limits are. They're not going to drive way off the track. They're not going to be locking the brakes up into these corners. They're going to know way more. Like, you know, that restart with Brad, that old tires, he didn't know.

I guess he misjudged the grip level of the older tires on the restart. But he wasn't the only one. They were all driving off each other. Did you, like, on that restart. Yeah, we were just talking about that. They were all driving off each other. Like, there was three or four of them that weren't going to make the corner. This is the one where Brad missed one.

Yeah, but they, like, even if he made it, it's like the others weren't going to make it. You know what I mean? They were all, it's like driving through a snowstorm. The guy, the guy for any of drives off, you're going to drive off the road too. Yeah. But, I mean, I thought it was good. I like watching the drivers get challenged. I don't feel like we challenge them enough a lot.

We go to these same places all the time. We go to these same tracks. You know, in three laps, Kyle Bush knows what he's got. You know what I mean? And they like that, but I like seeing these guys get challenged. I like seeing them. You know, Denny Hanlon, he's a fairly good driver. And he had a, you know, he struggled this weekend.

And a lot of guys did. A lot of guys spun out. you know, you got Cup champions that are that are just having off weekends because they're out there trying to learn it. And these guys are being challenged. I enjoyed the, I enjoyed the show myself. I left there yesterday and I was like, I wish NASCAR would take an alphabetical order and start with the tracks, right? And say, okay, Atlanta, you're first. Do you want to run a road course or do you want to run an O?

And then they get down to the pecking order. And if somebody like Dover wins a, he gets to Dover and goes, hey, I want a road course and I get to pick where they do a street course in the middle of Baltimore. more street course, you know, somewhere near their market. They still own the date. They still get all the TV money, still get all the fan money, right? But it was, I feel like the drivers worked a hell of a lot harder yesterday for three hours than they normally do. There's nothing wrong with that.

I'm with TJ. Like, the fact that they were challenged probably for the first time and a long time, and that wasn't an oval race where you could go there and know right away who's going to be fast and who's going to run up front and pick a name out of the big three who's probably going to win the race. That's why I think the roval grew on me throughout the weekend because I went in and I was like, you know, this is the cheap way out of not having a new track on the circuit. It is. And I was really, really upset about that.

I was like, this is not a real road course. This is, this is, this is, this is cheap. I thought they made it look nice. They did a good job. Right. We got there and they did a fantastic job with just the visuals, even painting of the track. It was beautiful from the roof. Right.

The campers being in the infield. The astroturf stuff worked great in my opinion. It did. It did. And it looked really good. So you get to make one change to the course before we go back. What is it? I don't know.

I don't know if I would change anything. I would probably try to work with Goodyear, make over the tire. They trusted and take the chicane on the back stretch out. The turtles were a problem, but I don't have a problem with the turtles because they're the same for everybody. The wall that everybody kept hitting in practice, it was the same for everybody. I don't have a problem of that. I wish they would make turn five just like Sonoma's turn seven. make it go out and make it come back to where it's a true hard-breaking zone and a passing zone.

The Roval lacked a really good passing zone. In my mind. Or if you're going to leave the chicane in the backstress, make it a true chicane. Make them stop. They have to slow down for it. And that could pretty easily be done. It could. I mean, honestly, I feel like they could do that.

They could probably have it done by lunch. You know, they could probably move them curbs to where it's a true turn, like the glen. Like, you're not going through the bus stop at the glen like that. If you're going to make it a bus stop, make it a bus stop where they actually have to. Yeah. You know, and when we tested there, there was guys that were, you know, Larson was two seconds fast than the next guy because he figured out he could fly through there and basically just jump them and not even lift a whole lot.

Right. You could, there was no outbreaking into the bus stop. There's none. If the guy had a run on you and was going to, you know, passing you, that guy pretty much let him go. And you went in there. There was no like, I got to run on the guy. I'm going, I'll break him into this zone. You could run.

too wide through there. There's no chance. No, but there was literally no, not enough breaking to have a guy try to out break another. They literally have to slow, we need to make it where they slow way down. Either that or take it out, in my opinion. Probably the most exciting news of the weekend was the fact that Jason dropped his phone in between the soft falls. First of all, how did you even get that access?

And what an idiot. Who does that? I need to hear this story. How do you do that? So I was driving, so I was working to PR for the track this weekend. And so we give media rides, photographers rides. So one guy wanted to go outside, turn three to shoot down. So I'm like, oh, I'll take you out there.

And I'm like, oh, this is a cool view. Never been up here before. Let me take a couple pictures real quick. Cool panoramic. NASCAR needs good content. This is good content right here. Great picture. I'm like, all right, through the fence, like looking at it.

And I'm like, oh, pretty cool. And then like, all right, let me do a panorama. Then we do a Snapchat. And then as soon as I, like, flip the phone for a Snapchat, fumbled it. And it fell right straight down into the safer barrier. TJ doesn't look impressed Wow

So then what happens Well then I'm like Oh no Like what am I gonna do So I went back to the media center Like hey hey I know You know everyone's crazy in here right now But I just dropped my phone

The safer barrier Luckily I'm marking for the track So we know who to call And they're like all right We'll try to get out after qualifying What do they say to you? Well like Jason come on Like of course you would do something like that

I'm like yeah I don't think I've ever done anything That's stupid Hey I've totally put the phone through the fence the other tracks before never dropped it. I need a pop socket. That's my next investment. That'll look super cute.

Or like a tether. Yeah. Something to my phone. Yeah. Where's the worst place you've ever dropped your phone? The lake probably. Don't lie. You're probably the lake.

Victory Lane in Miami. I dropped it three times in one week that week. I had to get it fixed three separate times. That's it. You didn't drop it. Aaron that works on the one main program. She got a brand new, you know, seven plus, whatever it was by then. First day, Toll it.

Oh. But mine didn't break. I was all good. Yeah. That's lucky. Yeah. Did it? Yeah.

You had to wait all day? Yeah, I didn't get back after the Xfinery race. That's awesome. That was his punishment. I did have a similar problem, like something similar like that happened to me. We were at the circus when it was in town. And we were sitting in the front row. And I literally, we were right on the edge.

The walls like right here. I'm like, I was taking a picture or something, and I don't know what happened. Either got bumped or something, and it knocked the phone on my hand. It went down over the wall into, like, a bucket of, like, prop stuff they were using. And I ended up having to stop a guy that was working, and he just reached down. It wasn't, you know, I had enough to wait until the end of the show. And, you know, it wasn't, like, sticking it through a fence like Jason. But that was a little embarrassing at the time.

But, you know, I've never dropped it where I lost it, which would be. Which would be bad, yeah. I know a lot of people that have in the lake. It's pretty common here for... You ever lose one in the lake? Nah? Yeah, I know a lot of people. I don't usually get on my phone when I go to lake.

I just have other things in my hands. It's probably better. Easy. What? While you're drinking? There we go. On that note, how about let's get started? Sounds wonderful.

All right, spot on, spot off. Girls go first. Yes. Johnson spins turn Truex and Balini wins the wild roval finish. Spot on, spot off. Spot on. I thought that was fantastic. I actually said when Jimmy was starting to close on Martin coming through three and four,

I said out loud, oh-ish, because I just figured he was going to do something. Oh, Shah. She. You've already said the F word. You're not going to say the S word? Well, it's not going to be in the show. He's going to cut it out. I know, but I mean.

See, I've listened to the show before. I know that one you guys won't say. But I can't. Always, guys. I'm not as talented to say it the way you guys say it. I don't trust most time. Yeah, Shisho? Yeah.

You can say that. No, I'm not talented. Like, I'll mess it up and I'll actually say it. That's okay. That's okay, too. Just be you. Just be you. But, no, I figured he was going to try and do something just because he hasn't won.

And he was close enough. And that chicane, going back to the Xfinity race, Hemrick had made a mistake in the exact same place. And I was like, oh, it's about to get good. So I was, but I was spot on for it because he at least tried something. It wasn't fine. follow the leader. We were actually, I standing next to Josh, who was Potts for Blaney, and we looked at each other,

and they were in the road course section there, and we're looking, and you got a pretty good shot at this, I think, and he's like, they're getting pretty close. And you never, you know, the last zone, Jimmy did a great job on the back stretch, getting through the chicane and having a run on Martin. And, you know, that's just, you kind of knew something was going to happen because they were close enough for sure. Jim was close enough to take a shot at it. So I wonder what would have happened if he had gotten to the back of Truex and knocked Truex through the chicane. So I'm spot on for the fans who got to watch this. I'm spot off for knowing how talented Jimmy Johnson is

and ultimately end up wrecking himself. If he wants to get in there super hot, hit Martin, disturb Martin, ultimately do a bump and run and win the race, then do it. Martin Truex is already going to the next round. Jimmy Johnson would then go to the next round. Martin Truex can't be mad at Jimmy Johnson in the next round because if he retaliates, Jimmy retaliates back, they both threw them, screw themselves and they're both out. So if Jimmy does this properly and executes a bump and run style maneuver, yes, he pisses Martin off, but he wins the race.

And he went in there entirely too aggressive, almost like a rookie would have done. That's what I'm surprised at. I'm surprised he didn't have a more methodical approach. I'm not surprised he went for it. Guy hadn't won in 51 races and checker flags aren't easy to get as you get toward the end of your career a lot of times. But I'm just surprised. I'm spot off for the fact that he didn't pull off a better move to win the race.

I thought he was going to run through him, to be honest with you. Why wouldn't you? Because he came in so hot off turn four, oval turn four, that I thought when he started breaking and locking it up, that he was still too close that he was going to not, Like literally drive through Martin. I was surprised he spun himself, to be honest with you. That's where I'm spot off on is the fact that he wrecked. I'll never understand why anybody wrecks himself.

Yeah, I think when Martin went to the right, when Martin went to the right, it kind of caught him off guard. Because I think that's where he was planning on going. When Martin went to the right, he kind of tried to go back left. And I think he probably started hitting the brakes a little bit harder than when he, like you said, maybe he should have not. Maybe you should just roll it in there a little harder and just hit him. Yeah.

And just hit it. But spot on for the finish. I mean, it was a great finish. Awesome finish. I think the fans probably enjoyed it. The last 50 of that race were nuts. Well, I mean, it was probably pretty... Here's what I didn't understand.

I didn't understand how Blaney got to line up where he got to line up on that last restart. Because on that 12-car pile-up, guess who was in that? Blaney. Guess who came to a complete stop, Blaney. So you have to maintain the pace of the race we're told in order to maintain your position. the pace of the race is not a dead stop. So we were blown away with the fact that Blaney appeared to be given four positions back. One thing I would like clarification off from NASCAR is when we went back green after that big caution,

what did you do? Just divert back to the restart order from the caution before and basically say, if you're gone, we're taking you out and we're going to go right back to that same restart order because it sure didn't look like a live time and scoring restart like we're supposed to have. I think it was something to that effect. And I should know this as media and I was following how it was happening. But I feel like somebody had said NASCAR either went back to the restart or went back to how it was lined up or the scoring loop or whatever it was.

Because I was listening to your radio. And I know Clint was like, there is no way in hell he's in front of me. Yeah. Well, there wasn't because he wasn't in front of us. Yeah. Like at no point, you know, was he in front of us? Literally. So that was the confusing.

So he restarted behind you? No, he restarted in front of me, even though when the wreck happened, he was behind me. And he stopped during that wreck, and you have to maintain speed. Well, you don't, no, that's not, you don't maintain speed through the wreck, though. You have to maintain a reasonable race pace. You know, you're not going to penalize a guy for stopping to avoid, you know, a contact with another car. When you're considered to be in the wreck, you're in the wreck. We came to a stop and we didn't hit a thing.

But you didn't hit anything. We didn't hit a thing. His right side behind his front wheel. hit something. But I mean, you know, you can't, you can't penalize a guy for slowing down and getting hit by another car. He was truly given two gifts. He was given the gift of fifth on the restart. And then he was given the gift of Jimmy Johnson wreck and Martin Truex. And good for him. I mean, it's, again, a great race. I don't think it was in any way, shape, or form less than what we thought it would be. I mean, I can see if you're going through the wreck and you're slowing way down

and a car comes across and clips in the bumper, you're still fine to race, I can see like, you guys won't want to be put back for that. I mean, you're doing the safe thing and the right thing by slowing down, which is what you're supposed to do. I know you're pro Penske, but I'm telling you. No, I'm just saying I wouldn't. He stopped. He hit somebody.

At no point was he in front of us after we took the green. Did he hit him? After we took the green, he was not in front of us. I mean, I think it goes back to what Kelly and I were saying. We couldn't understand where they were coming up with the lineup. And it appeared, they said, we're just going to go back to the last restart. And everybody that wrecked is out. and everybody that didn't will just put them in order.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure how they did the line of. I mean, because if you wreck past the start finish line, have you really gone far enough for that? Well, we went far enough. You know, we didn't go two feet. I'm saying from like trying to play devil's advocate, like from NASCAR's point of view, they're like, well, the lap just started and let's just go back to the start finish line. I don't know. I have to go back and look at all my notes and everything.

You almost wish during some of the stuff that there was a liaison to, and I know they have a lot of liaisons. I'm not saying they don't have any. but somebody to explain to us from an officiating standpoint because the NFL, that little guy turns on a microphone. And then, you know, the guy on TV gets on the broadcast and goes, I'm a 27-year-old retired NFL referee and this is what hell's going on around here. Like, I think during a lot of our races, there's a lot of great areas. And when we don't understand what's going on, we get extremely selfish and we want it to not screw us, you know. Even from a media perspective, though, I've argued that for the last couple years, that for us in the media center or after the race, I mean, going back to Richie, The fall Richmond race last year when crazy stuff was happening and Truex is, you know, wrecking from the lead and we want to know why a caution was called for this and not called for this or, you know, even earlier this year at Texas, why Harvick didn't get the uncontrolled tire penalty, but other people did.

I've long argued with NASCAR and IMC that you guys need to have, like, we need to have somebody in here who was like, this is why this wasn't called. This is why this was called. Here's the rule. And instead, we're sitting there trying to scour the rulebook ourselves and understand it and then trying to run to the hauler after the race. to get an explanation. I don't think the start finish line is a bad, a bad timing loop for that. After the last car crosses it,

then it's the next one. You know what I'm on a restart? If there's a wreck in turn one and restart, you almost have to go back to the start finish line. I mean, in my opinion, how do you not have enough, you know what I mean? Unless it's a, you know,

like you said, you take everyone that's not in the wreck and you're back, you're in your spot. You know, if you're wrecked and can't move or whatever, you're out. Well, from the wreck that happened a couple years ago with Harvick at Talladega,

before we realistically ever took the green. Yeah. From that situation and scenario, we should all have a rule in place and an understanding of what the hell is going on. And to be quite frank, we just didn't. So anyway, moving on. All right.

Well, 13 cars collected in turn one with a big one with six laps to go. Spot on, spot off. T.J. You know, spot, you know, spot off because it took out so many cars. But honestly, there was, there was,

there was chaos and actually most everyone did really good all day. I hated that turn on restarts because there's so much going on. And you literally didn't know if you're going to make it out of or not every time. And I always seemed to, we were in the outside row every single time, which I hated. Because that's where everyone slid to is the outside. So you're basically have no escape routes for anything. But, you know. Spot on for how many cars were involved in that crash and me finishing.

Thank you all for not knowing where to hit the brakes because about six of you totally missed the breaking zone. And I'm glad that you did it. Thanks. Appreciate you. And I was going to say it worked out great for you guys. Wonderful. So I would say spot on from the aspect of it, that turn finally delivered what everybody thought it was going to deliver. But spot off because it's like, did we really take 15 cars with us?

It didn't deliver how we all thought it was going to deliver, though. No one ever saw the leader going in there and missing the corner and taking out of lunch. Watch this. I'm about to. I say deliver in the sense of like, again, and this may be just me personally. I guess I can't speak for everybody. But I expected to turn one to be the problem spot just because it's such a sharp corner that I really thought guys were going to have more problems getting in this. And there's opportunity on the inside to get three wide.

I mean, everything you need to make it really exciting is there. I saw four wide through there on a refurb. I'm honestly shocked that this didn't happen in the Xfinity Series race. It did happen. Well, not to the extent that. It did happen, but it didn't happen yet to that extent. I mean, the wrecked, it probably got eight of those guys. That was the quickest race.

I almost missed victory. What we didn't have happened in the Xenity Race is really old tires on a restart. You know, or even up until now, like, you know, Brad didn't know, obviously he didn't know the grip level, what the tires. There was actually quite a bit of fall off. So. This being an. Elimination race gave us a lot of different scenarios because the 14 team going into the race, we were max points mode every stage and then let the end of the race play out the way it was meant to play out.

But other guys were able to invert where they were running and pitting with three to go, four to go, you know, staying out for a segment and going into a different fuel window strategy. So all those different strategies created a lot of different scenarios with guys on a lot of different tires and pitting it a lot of different times. and it also put guys, you know, like, I saw the freaking 15 car up there at one point, and I'm like, yeah, he was competitive there for a little while. Yeah, this guy doing up here in the middle of this thing running 15th. Yeah, but that creates all that drama that we saw play out, because if this is a typical road course, we're all running it with the same strategy, and that wasn't the case with it being an elimination race.

And I enjoyed the elimination part of it because it forced people to be, I mean, at one point you, at one point, I think you were going to finish because Clint was having to drive really aggressively blocking, blocking. We've never blocked. That's not true. We've never been a lot. Omarola, when he was on a mission, when they were counting, like, on the broadcast, they were saying, he needs to pass one more card.

You saw him just. Don't want to do it. Yeah, it was insane. But that's what that creates, though. And honestly, I don't feel like we have that if we were on the big track. So the alleged blocks that T.J. is accusing us of throwing. Tony Stewart was standing beside me during the race, and he'd go, like, we're putting our fate in that guy behind that.

us hands, I'm like, hey man, I'm just doing it. So I will tell you this, I was behind it for a bit there. And I was like, I was almost back, we were, I was about to back Joey off some because I wasn't sure. Well, we were, we were there one time. You were right in the middle of us. Yeah. And we came off the chicane and Clint wasn't very good off the bus stop.

And that's a bad spot to be not fast off of. And he would go into turn, the big track turn three and kind of run up a little bit. And whenever that guy started coming the run down, I've seen two or three people hit him in the middle of the corner. And it was shoving him off the racetrack. They shouldn't hit us. Well, you shouldn't need three lanes. I think the 14 radio, because I listen to you guys, the majority of the race,

because for most of the time, you guys were in that bubble spot. Like, you kept shifting. So the 14 radio was the most entertaining radio that I usually is. I don't blame Clint for a driving like that. I don't think he's not going to make some of the moves. He's going to let that guy go. But. Again, that's what yesterday delivered.

That's what it creates. So I'll say this. The scenario that kind of changed the day for us was Bowman was the first guy out. And he was the first guy out by two points. And so we're running behind Bowman and we're all racing. Him and Blaney and us, we were all right around each other all day, which is freaking drama. But the second that Bowman decided he was going to pit and get four tires, we now aren't racing anybody except Alex Bowman. So he forces our hand to come to pit road.

So him being the first guy out kind of triggered that whole scenario that ultimately led to him getting in because we were making up a lot of time on the guys that hadn't pitted yet. We were driving from the mid-20s to the mid-teens passing cars that were on the lead lap that were good cars. So Alex's guy, his crew chief that made the call of Pitt forced our hand, forced Blaney's hand. And it kind of created that whole scenario that made it all really interesting. And I will say spot on too for Todd Gordon Because I think he had the line of the race After that accident in turn one He said he said Brad

Just led the army off the cliff And I thought that was hilarious That's true I thought that was amazing That's very true Spot on the Todd for quote of the day Really glad those guys followed their leader though They thought they were going off

The old turn one You should be glad you weren't up there Because if you were in third or fourth You'd probably done the same thing You'd be right off there with them I'll tell you what the media center reaction was a lot of fun when that started happening. Like, just everybody reacting out loud.

That's one of the reasons I love being in the media center at Daytona, Talladega, Martinsville, just all these races because stuff starts happening and we become race fans and we start reacting to the TV. You see the roof. Jason, sorry. All right. We're not on video. Well, this video, yeah, he might pull that one.

All right. Larson advances by passing a stalled 96 in the last corner on the last lap. Spot on, spot off. Me. Brett. I'm spot off because if there's a guy that was on that bubble that I didn't want to see advance from just a selfish standpoint, it's Kyle Larson because this guy is streaky and he has the ability. We're going to his.

There's three guys at Dover that stand out in my mind of just being phenomenal. Matt Kenseth, Jimmy Johnson, and Kyle Larson. Kyle Bush is freaking phenomenal everywhere. It's on my nurse. It doesn't count. But Kyle Larson is now a true contender to win this title. And if we had an opportunity to say by to him, it's kind of like watching that show Survivor. You want to vote the strongest guy off so you don't have to beat him later.

Man, we miss that opportunity. But spot on for him and his team because when I saw his car and how damaged it was and what his right front tire look like, I was like there's no way in hell he's getting back in this thing. and he managed to get back in. So he should really send Jimmy Johnson something nice around Christmas time. And the 96 a beer or something. Well, once again, the meaningless 96 comes into play. I'm not sure it's the 96 that deserves the beer.

It's the one that hit the 96 that probably deserves a hemorrhick. Hemrick, yeah. Isn't that like the fourth or fifth straight week, the 96 has been involved in a late race? In a late race accident that has changed somebody's race? I would agree with that. Big outcomes. Yeah. I know what happened at Indy.

I think it happened at Richmond. I think we're working on like a three or four week stretch here. Have we ever seen a race, not to go off on a tangent, but have we ever seen a race where billboards get stuck in cars more than yesterday? How about the 23? How about 23 bringing that bow jangles forward on? That was awesome. Bush goes in and he gets in between his bumper cover and the rear quarter panel scene.

Like he drives it around. Just sponsor a moving billboard. So was that? What happened with that? wreck. Does anybody know? He backed it. Bushers wreck? No, the end, no.

The Bojangles one? No, the one, the end rack. Oh, Hemrick? Like, why of the 96? Yeah. Hemrick just ran through him in the chicane. I don't think it was on purpose from the video that I saw with how his hands were moving, but he just got in, like, he was just all over, like, underneath the 96 and just

punted him out of the way. So running what position, 20th? I don't know where they were running at the time, but I know. Lap 109. I'm going to overdrive the last corner and just clean this guy's car. I may be mine. What are you suggesting? Hemrick made that same mistake Saturday.

Like the chicane bit him Saturday as well. You almost said a bad word. What are you suggesting? I just, I mean, I just don't, me personally wouldn't tear up my car. I mean, 19th to 20th. What's the difference between that? You know what I mean? Did you ever watch the show South Park?

I never really got into South Park. Did you ever see it? Every show. Who killed Kenny? Kenny died in every show. That's what the 96 car has become. Who killed Kenny? It's like, when's the 96 going to wreck?

Well, that'd be more like the 60. I was going to say that's the next day. But in that case, it's more like what lap is the 60 going to wreck? He didn't wreck but three times Saturday. He had a pretty good day. Yeah. And then we had another wrecked on the last lap, too, didn't we? The 34 and the 11.

Looks like the 11. The 34 wrecked between 4 and 5. He got hit. Did he? Oh, yeah. He'll wreck you back, that guy. He will. But it's not going to matter now, though.

No. Because the guy that hit him is not going to be moving on. What was Denny like after the race? Did anybody interview him? He didn't have anything in the Toyota quote sheet, and I don't know if anybody actually got anything from him. Because, again, I was with Jimmy the entire time, so I didn't do my normal running up and down pit road,

so I didn't see him. But even after last week, after Richmond, he was quick off pit road. So I'm assuming yesterday was probably the same. When we go back three years, ago, and it's Denny Hamlin, Carl Edwards, Matt Kenseth, Kyle Busch. Those four guys were amazing. And now of that whole, you know, I guess team, the only guy that's still amazing is Kyle Busch. It's kind of weird how that, because obviously they all had speed.

Yeah, but Kyle fell off for a little bit there. It's like they only, only one of them has speed. Didn't Kyle fall off for about three quarters of a season there? Then he, like, I wouldn't say that long, but he won't, like, it's, as soon as he passed, Brad, and Kevin racing in a Loudoun, right? Wasn't it a Loudoun? He passed Brad. He had a flat tire or something.

He comes back out, passes Brad and Kevin, and the caution comes out. He stays out because he just pitted, cycles to the lead, and wins a race. And then ever since then, he's been back on. Lights out again. Yeah. Just crazy.

Johnson, Dylan, Hamlin, and Jones are eliminated after round one. Spot on, spot off. Kelly. Spot off for Danny Hamlin, because this is actually perfect with what Brett was just talking about in terms of how his career has kind of gone the last couple years. So spot off because Denny's been in the Cup series for, what, 14, 15 years.

It's been a long time and he still hasn't won a championship. And I don't know why, but to me that stands out, probably because you run for Joe Gibbs racing. I mean, you came in, this hot rookie was winning races, making the chase right away, now making the playoffs, probably should have won the championship in 2010. He was in contention again in 14, the first year of the elimination style, and he just can't get it done. So for me, that's the biggest one of these four that stands out, because, I mean, Jones, he had to win or he wasn't in advance.

Jimmy's had that kind of season where it's been hot or cold. I didn't pick Austin to advance out of this round, so I'm not surprised by that either. So to me, it's all about Denny. It's like, come on, dude, you run for one of the top teams in this series, and you haven't won a championship. I'm more of a Jones person here. Since the middle of summer, he has been on fire.

He has been top five every week. He's been top five at places that I think he can finish top five at. And he's been really fast the second half of the year here. I mean, it's been impressive. So to see him get knocked out of this group, he's the one that had the most speed. Since the mid part of the year, he's had the most speed out of this group. So that's kind of surprising to me.

Just from a talent perspective, I see two guys that are, championship contenders. Obviously, Jimmy is a champion. Denny, as Kelly said, has always been in that conversation from the time you get to the Daytona 500 until the playoff. He's in there. So I, you know, I'm kind of here nor there. I'm not surprised that these four guys didn't move on. Did we ever decide, I know we talked about Johnson with that penalty, would that have made a difference at all? Yeah, so he misses the chicane. He comes, does his stop and go. He finishes seven, three-way tie. Eighth. Eighth is where he finished into a three-way tie.

So, I mean, it really goes back to Vegas where, you know, we got three-wide with him and he got in contact, I think, with his teammate Bowman, and it put us in the fence. It messed up Jimmy's day with a flat tire. I mean, that's a place where we both that day gave up 15 or 20 points. So it's always easy to go back, and TJ, I'll tell you this. It's easy to go back and say, man, coulda-woulda-shut-a-shut-that one race, we'd be fine. But those things tend to snowball, and you don't get points back. I say this all the time in our sport.

A quarterback throws an interception in the first quarter. He's got the rest of the game to make it up. When you look at some of the errors that these guys made early in the race, you don't have a chance to make it up. Yeah, and that just goes to show you that every lap counts. Once this chase starts, you race all year to be consistent and win some races to get locked in. Once the chase starts, you can't really afford,

you can't afford a bad race almost. You have to be quietly consistent or super fast and win. Yeah. So Jimmy had 28 races. before yesterday to save himself from what happened. And what I mean by that is he didn't have any stage wins. He had no playoff point. So he had nothing to fall back on so that when that move yesterday went bad,

it went bad in a big way because he lost all those positions. And then when Larson passes the 96, he's out. Guess what Jimmy still has? Seven championships. I think he's okay. Noah Gregson announced as the driver of the number one for J.R.M. in 2019. Spot on, spot on. Can we change this question to know Gregson on Twitter with the code?

What did he do on Twitter? It was more talking about that late mall race at Martinsville with some people afterwards. Oh, was he wearing them out? Did you read it? I read one tweet, but I was, I was, I was, from a journalist perspective, I was more caught up in how he had worded the tweet wrong or got the situation wrong, talking about the Martinsville race a couple years ago. It was interesting.

Yeah. There was some a little bit of language issues. Yeah. But it was interesting. But this is your deal here. So you tell us your. How's my deal? What's J.R.M. stuff?

That's your old car. What do? Are you anti-J-R-M now? You're not here? No, right. Come on. What are you going to do? Del Jr. took you to raise, wrote you off on his taxes the whole nine-yard.

Gave you. Gave you a house on his property, let you live there for free. No, there's no giving. First of all, there was always rent. There shouldn't have been, but there's always rent. How about that remodel? did on that bathroom that time and then Kelly didn't give you your money back for it. No, I did.

Oh, no, no, no, I didn't. Yeah. No, I should have never done that. I got to TJ's house. I shouldn't ever done that. And he showed me around. He's like, yeah, I just remodeled this bathroom. He tells me how much money he spent on it.

It looked awesome. I was proud of him. A couple months later, he left. I was like, hey, man, what about that whole remodel thing? Yeah, I got fucked out of that money. T.J. Brotherly love. Noah Glaxson, JRM, obviously spot on.

This kid's shown a lot of talent, to be honest with you. Very surprised to see Toyota let this guy kind of slide away. I mean, here's another guy. They just let William Byron go, and now they're letting Noah Glaxen go. I've been extremely impressed with him the last year and a half and what he's done in the truck series. And, you know, a guy that can go out and can win races with Cobbush in the race, to me, deserve some props.

Obviously, JRM is an attractive organization right now. They're winning races, contended for championships, happy to have been a part of that with the number one team the last few years. If he gets the team that's in place now, he's an immediate contender. And I know that a lot of things can change. You know, obviously our guys have an affiliation with Hendrick. They can pull engineers up, pull crew chiefs up, pull mechanics up, pull talented people up. But if that team stays intact, the team that Elliott Sadler has currently, it's a contender when they get to Daytona for next year.

I'm spot on just for the Xfinity race that I did watch him run. He ran a very smart race. He ran a very good race, I thought. Richmond? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, but my, my questions here are, I feel like his truck, he's, to me, is just not quite where he was in the beginning of the year in the truck. And I wonder if the mid-season, when it seemed to kind of follow, was when that started, you know, is he looking ahead already? Right. You know, oh, I'm going to go experience next year. Am I really worried about this truck stuff as much now? You know, I haven't seen him be, he still has

speed, but he just doesn't have, I don't know, doesn't have, he was dominating a lot of stuff, beginning of the year, in my opinion. He was up front a lot. Yeah. But at the same time, when your team finds out that you're not coming back, it can change their focus, too. Well, I mean, I see the deal that happened in Canada. You know, they're just, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Who do you think takes his spot at KBM? You know, I haven't even thought about it.

I don't think you've got to think about it. Who is it? it's got to be the Burton kid right does that make sense I don't know who else it would be I actually haven't even heard like rumblings yet he's in the late model stuff though right or no he's in a truck now he's part time

part time oh yeah I don't part time and who does uh Harrison Burton has to run a full truck series next next year I mean it just based on the progression that kid runs a ton of races and when you see somebody running that many races they have to they have to move up in order to keep progress You know, you hit one or two years where you're not progressing and you fall off face of earth around here nowadays. So that has to be their goal is to get Harrison Burton in a truck full time. And it would only make sense that you get them in a fast one.

And obviously one just open up. So you think there's, you think him and Gilden? That's what I think. Yeah, that's two young, young. Two young studs. Yeah. But still, the same problem's going to come with Toyota. Who are you going to keep?

There's nowhere to go. Yeah, there's nowhere to go. Yeah, you're in great stuff now. but are you really grooming these guys or somebody else? You could go to that second car at Furniture Row or you could go to the first car at Furniture Row. Oh, wait, they're both gone. I'm just saying, are you grooming for others?

Right. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Let's take a break. This is your Exxontha Race Center update on Matthew Dillner. The Roval-Wet Charlotte Motor Speedway,

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visit our website or call us. All right, we are going to head into Fast Lane. I'll give these guys 30 seconds to answer each topic. We get 15. Yeah, basically let's get 15 done. First one, the 2019 Rules Package is rumors to be released this week. What do y'all expect?

Brett. I got a quick question. Kelly, is it going to be released this week? Yeah, it's not a rumor. It's coming tomorrow. Okay, so it's coming tomorrow. So I think that we go from being plate racing spotters at 10% of the schedule.

I think that number goes up to 40% of the schedule, which means spotters are more valuable, and we're getting ready to get paid. I think it's going to, I think we're going to figure it out more, and it's not going to be as packed up. I think some guys are going to, people are going to develop the cars. We're going to figure out ways to make them go forward. faster and some are going to figure out quicker than others. So I don't think it's going to be a Dayton or Talladeg every week. We go to, I think, Michigan and bigger.

Absolutely. I mean, it's probably going to be pretty wild. But, I mean, if it's exciting, if it's exciting and it draws interest and we have fun doing it, let's do it. If it's exciting, I'm all for it. But at the same time, I hate the fact that, like Brett just said, now spotters are going to become almost more important than the drivers. Thank you, Kelly.

This is, this is, you know, we're taking it out of what the driver can do if we're in pack racing. But also to TJ's point, these teams are going to figure it out. I mean, a couple of years ago, we're all talking about these downforce packages and what are the teams do? NASCAR's taken downforce away. The team's pointing it back. So I hate the fact that it's going to become kind of like a gimmick, hey, we're trying to put the cars in the field close together. But so I'm going to root for the teams to figure out how to master the cars and get it back to where we are right now. But right now, though, you could, are you, your time's up.

But right now, it's almost like the car, though. You could almost take the guy that runs 30th and put him in a top car and he's going to run up there. All I'm going to say is I don't want to see it devalue somebody with talent. I don't want to see a guy to be able to run up there in the middle of the pack just because he's got a fast car and because of the package. I want to see talent prevail. Yeah. That's what NASCAR was built on. I want to see more of that now.

Jeez. Just you just start yelling. Round of 12 begins at Dover, which four drivers will be eliminated after. Kansas. Why are we asking this question this early? Because there's only three races, right? Yeah. Because we got it to go. That's what we got to do. Oh, I'll go. Man, 88. 10. I got a roll with the 41.

And I will go with the... Pigma, I'm going to hit you in a mouth. 14. Here's what's really weird for me looking at this list is all these guys are good at Dover. Talladega is a freaking wild card So it almost is like which one of these guys Is going to go out of Kansas and screw up You know you try to I try to pick guys that I thought would have a problem

Yeah too I mean that round of 16 You're just trying not to suck and be the last four guys And then you find yourself in position because of Of different things that happen so I mean I think the 88's out I'll take even though the nine is super good at Dover I think the nine's out I think something happens to him at Talladega

I'll go with TJ and say the 10 and then we got to pick a fast car. I'll say the 78. Yeah, I'll go mostly the same. Probably Bowman, Kurt Busch, Almerola, and then I'm on the same way length as Brad is I think somebody that you don't expect is going to have a problem, but I'll go with Brad on that one.

Brad's been all or nothing. It's like the big. It's like the big 3.5 now. Brad's like the point five. Yeah. You know, but he's been, he went from wrecking, backup car, to leading that race. I mean, I don't know.

He's kind of leading the race because him and Martin got into a wreck. Yeah, but... I kind of helped them play out their deal different, right? I mean, that's backup car. They got momentum right now. It's hard to pull out of a backup car, wreck and practice like that, and then be leading the race like that. We'll see.

I'm sure Brett, you're excited about this one. Dover will have a betting kiosk in their fan zone this weekend. If you could place a bet on Sunday's race, who would you put your money on? Grotto pizza? That place is good. I thought it was grotto. Is it Grotto?

It's Grotto. It's Grotto. It's Grotto. Sure. Yeah. There's two T-J, G-R-O-T-O. Grotto. That doesn't make a difference.

It would still be... You like a lot of grotto? What? It would still be pronounced either way. Shush out, Nashville. Double T doesn't make a difference. Yeah, it does. Makes that O long.

The first O. Grotto versus Groto. We are wasting time. Yeah. All right. Let's go. Hooked on phonics. Work for me.

How you bet none. Larson. Just going back to what we talked about earlier, is probably one of his best, is not better racetracks. These concrete racetracks, you can even look at Bristol. He should have won here before. He's due if I had to really put one person down. Guess who's really good at being really fast?

That freaking 78 car. Yeah. He's going to be tough to beat. Yeah, I'm actually going to go to Brad. He's really good at Dover, and he's got a lot of momentum. Riding the Penske train. No surprise. Shaka.

Off the wall topic. NBC had a big weekend with four major sporting events. You've got the Ryder Cup and Notre Dame Stanford on Saturday, followed by the Roval Race and the Steelers v. Ravens on Sunday. What four events would make up your ultimate sports weekend? TJ. We get really close to it in May, you know, with Monaco, Indie. I definitely think our race could be more exciting, but it is a prestigious race.

It might be super exciting. exciting next year. So I think it's tough to beat that weekend in May. But Monaco, Formula One Race, I'll take Indy 500. Cup race. Man, Bristol that weekend would be pretty cool. So this is one of the reasons, and I hate the Dell Jr. Show is after us and we're all rushed out of here.

But this is one of the reasons I want to Kelly to come on this show. Because Kelly respects the three R's of sports. racing, wrestling, and rodeo. So you got to have a racing event, a wrestling event,

a rodeo, and then Clemson versus South Carolina, that's the best four events you can ever have. Go Tigers. Back to back, to back.

Do you Klanston fan? Yeah. I like their digital stuff, but not a big... We're not talking about that. It's not your turn. What the hell does that mean? Go ahead.

I'm glad you drop your phone. I'm glad you dropped your phone. Damn. No, Brett hit it. I mean, I like May because as a big, big racing fan, I like that day in general. But if I had to throw another one in there, like, yeah, I love the Super Bowl. I love college football. But I would happily go home at the end of the day and turn on the WWE network and watch WrestleMania or SummerSlam or whatever it is.

Who's your favorite wrestler right now? Right now. Well, I can say right now because he won't retire. It's the undertaker. I thought he retired and I said goodbye a year and a half ago. And now he's back. He's like Martin. He just unretired.

He won't go away. I'd rather play PubG. Alabama, the band Alabama and Mark Martin, the people that just kept on retiring. He won't go away. And he'll be on a show again this weekend in Australia. Awesome. All right. Ask DBC.

Coach Cedell 23 asks, if, as a team member, would you be mad at Jimmy Johnson for a wrecking while going for the win and ending your bid for a title? Or do you want your driver to go for every race? I don't know what their conversations were on the radio, but if you're locked in by finishing. second, I would maybe be a little upset at that. If you're locked in by following a guy cross-art finish line, and then you go down there and you have a wreck, and then you're not raced for anymore.

But Jimmy has won seven championships. The guy knows what he's doing. I don't blame him. I also don't blame him for going for it, man. He hasn't won in... Over a year. How many races would you say? 51 races, I think.

Yeah, it's 50-something. Guy wants to win, man. Heck with it. I'm fine with that, too. Did you hear Chad? What was Chad saying on the radio doing it? So, funny enough, going into the last, slap. I don't know what they were saying. Jimmy said afterwards, hey, I thought we were in.

My math was good. I didn't think making that move and spinning out was going to end it. Now, after the race, after he was spun by Martin and got it going again, Jimmy's like, did we transfer? Did we transfer? And Chad's like, yeah, we're in by one point. It says right now. We'll see how it shakes out. And then Chad pauses and goes, I think we're out. He's like, it's a three-way tie. So they thought their math was good. They thought they were in before making that move. And just Jimmy in general, just to answer this question, I would love it. If I, if I I'm on that 48 team. I'm here to win races. I expect to win races. I'm used to winning races.

If I haven't won since June of 2017, I want to win a race. I'm not thinking about points. Jimmy can win the next seven races and have a successful year. Yeah. He might not be the champion. It's going to be a good year. I want to win races. Yeah.

Jimmy Johnson is Jimmy Johnson because of what he tried to do yesterday. Kyle Bush is Kyle Bush because of what he tries to do every Sunday. You have guys out there that are complacent running second and transferring to the next race. I mean, we look at what LaGoneman. and Kenseth did a few years ago, and that's why I said this earlier in the race, Kenseth and Lugano got into this pissing match and where they had to pay each other back. That wasn't going to happen if Jimmy Reck Martin yesterday. Jimmy was trying to win the race, and that's exactly what you're going on your guy.

That's what makes Jimmy Johnson great. So you can't even try to grade Jimmy Johnson because of what his resume says. I mean, he's Jimmy freaking Johnson. We've all been mad, haven't we, the last couple years that everybody gets out of the car and talks about points, right? And now all of a sudden everybody was like, well, Jimmy should have one of worry about. points. You take all the points out of this thing. Jimmy Johnson was trying to win the race.

Yeah. And that's what he is supposed to do. That's what he wants to do every weekend. I don't blame him. Yeah. He said that. He's like, I'm a racer. What did you think about Martin wrecking him after the race?

I saw Martin going after him, then he kind of went out of my view. Didn't he wrecked him. Just spun him out. Yeah. They didn't hit him in the wall or anything, right? No, he just spun him. Yeah. I mean, the guy was going to win the race and he took him out.

You have to remember, too, in that instance, because at first I was like, man, why is Martin like that upset? But then it's like he wants to win at least one more time for furniture row. But I think it was the paint scheme. I think it was sharing. Yes, it was all of that. People fighting cancer. I think Martin was mad.

I would be mad too. There was more. Martin was kind of giving a gift to, you know, right there. And like, hey, you're going to have a really good opportunity to win this race. And he was going to win the race. And the guy came in there and kind of cleaned him out. We go into some races where it tugs at your heart a little more than other races, you know? And, I mean, I remember being at Darlington and had, you know, family and friends there, and you're like, it'd be really cool to win today.

Not necessarily as much for me. It's just the fact that you get to experience it together. So, I mean, I think. So in the moment, it's like, why is Martin mad? But then when I went back and thought about it, I was like, it's that paint scheme. He wants to win for Furniture Row one more time because they don't know what could be the last. He'll have more opportunity. He's going to have more opportunity.

Sailor Dan 86 asks, now that you've experienced both, which track is more of a wild card for a playoff cutoff race? Talladega or the Charlotte Roble. That was pretty stressful. It's probably more so for you. I think, you know, Dan, I think they're both the same. But let me tell you something, as far as the way it plays out lap by lap, we have a lot more time to analyze the way the roble played out. We have the ability to mentally absorb what's going on at Talladega as a spotter.

We're so busy with the three wide and the four wide and trying to throw the block and trying to get the push and trying to pass the guy and trying not to get hung on the top side so if they do crash, and they'll scream up, you know, go up the banking and crash us. Like, we don't have time to get caught up in that as a spotter at Talladega because mentally, we're so into every single inch that our car is running.

Whereas yesterday, we're still spotting the race, but we do have time to be analytical, look at our fan vige and see where the points are, see who we're racing. But in terms of the overall, which one's more of a wildcar race, I think ultimately for a fan at home that they were pretty darned. equal. Yeah, that's pretty equal. I'm more comfortable at Talladega. Being a wildcard, I feel that we can control it more than I can the Roval. Roval, you got to, you know, helps qualify good. You

got to get on the right strategy, you know, you're in the pack at some point at the Roval because the pit strategy, you cycle. So you're going to be in the group and you can't get caught up in something. I know there's a big one at Talladega, but as far as our strengths, I like Taladega. I mean, I'm not, I prefer Talladega because I feel like we just have a little bit more control there. Yeah. Anything you guys want to rant about before we finish up? I thought it was a fun weekend. It wasn't the badge.

It wasn't a bad show that everyone thought it was just going to be crazy. We had guys figuring out, wrecking in practice. How about Silly's season with Preece and Hemrick moving up to Cup? I'm really happy for Ryan Preece. You know, I've known him a long time. I think his talent level is very high. He's going to a team that's making some changes. And, you know, we've seen guys before a guy like AJ Ammoninger

and get out of a car and a guy like Ryan Priest getting in it and run fast. I don't think you can compare the two because they're going to go and do some more things with Hendrick. They're getting away from their ECR alliance and we'll see if those things pay dividends and make their cars faster. You don't want to see Ryan Priest get in and struggle. I want to see this guy get in immediately run top 15. He has a very high talent level. He's not this young guy. He's not this 18-year-old.

He's in his mid-20s. He bet on himself to do well and he's doing it. I mean, for him, I've said all along for years on this podcast, I thought he was the best. driver at RCR. So good for him for getting it. He had a lot of chances to move up. I've heard his name at three or four cars. So good for him. I mean, I think that RCR's had a lot more speed over the last month than they've had all year long. Good time probably to be doing that with 31. Yeah. And, you know, I'm interested in seeing how a priest does there. I think they have a different alliance or something next year, right? Yes. So I think that was kind of lost in the

announcement a little bit. Not lost, but, you know, in the hype of Ryan and everything, is that Tadges Schechter said that they will be going from RCR to Hendrik Engines next year. So I wonder how much that could also help. Is it just engines or support too? He just mentioned engines. But it opens the door for support. But it does. I think it does, yes.

For sure. Do we know who's going to go in Hemrick's Exfinity Spot? Is that rumor? I haven't heard that yet. I know this is in the next two weeks or so I've heard. I don't know. It should be interesting. It'll be TJ.

Yeah. I get to pick first. Did I win? I thought you won. Oh, but I still get to pick who I want because you, oh, no, I don't know. No, you don't. Yeah, I'll take the 78. I'll take Larson, head to head.

We got a battle. Short run, I win, long run, you win. Tally, who do you think is going to win this weekend? I'll go back to Larson. I really do. I think now especially because. Better hope it's a long run. Well, I think now just because he's kind of in a way he's got that a second life

after what happened at Charlotte. I mean, he admitted he'd given up after wrecked that car. Right. And then as soon as they told him, the 96 wrecked, he was, he started hustling on that final lap, wrecked like seven times. Didn't he hit the wall off the corner too? He hit the wall in Oval 3 and 4. He hit the wall, um, off the front stretch to cane and then like turtled it across the

finish line. I'll tell you what, man. Props to him for it keep going because that car was destroyed. And I think they told him, if I understand what he had said yesterday, I think they told him, dude, you can't run hard because with all the camber and tow, like, you're going to blow a tire, and he was like, nope, I got to go. I got to go. So, he's got a new

life. Again, Dover is one of his best racetracks. That team just keeps getting better and better as the year goes on, still alive in the championship. So I'll go with him. Thanks for coming on. I'm sorry we were rushed, with the guy's names on the building.

Quick shout out to some DBC fans, Casey and I met this week. Oh, yeah. One guy had a shirt. I'm like, hey, It'd be nice to have one of those. Hey, what were we supposed to say for Freddie? Oh. Something about Martinsville. Call out to the Martinsville winner, right?

Yeah, C. Falk. Oh, yeah. He's actually a pretty, he listens every week, too. Oh, he does? Yeah. I heard that was a crazy deal. It was. He actually sent me a pretty funny picture about Nashville parties and stuff.

Well. So, congrats to him, man. That's a big, big race. He's a good dude, too. Doesn't that pay like $25,000 a win? It did pay $25,000 a win. I bet that guy got hammered. It was, uh, so.

So I was watching the end of it. And if you were in the top six, you didn't finish the race. So it was like that far back. Yeah. Like third took out first and second one time, took fourth with him. Next restart, they take each other out again. So the guy back there running six, seventh, eighths. Like, hey, I might win now.

Yeah. So, and they had another controversy thing, just like start finish line deal. And basically the outside guy was jumping the leader every time and getting the lead. I mean, it was close. It wasn't something you could black fly the guy forward. Right, right. If you're going to the restart line, then, and that's what you're consistent with your, you know, calling, but is it right?

Yeah. But it was exciting. I'm sure there's some good videos there. Bubba Pollard almost won at one point. Josh Perry had a great car. He almost won. Peyton Souther was almost won. They all almost won at one point.

A lot of big late model names. Yeah. Yeah. So great show. It was cool. One thing I could say is this weekend was cool because people could leave, watch the Xfinney race, leave here and go up there and still make it. Yeah. So it was good for, we have a lot of good reporters in the sport that like to do both and could leave and go make it and get some good content

stuff still. So I think like Matt Weaver does a really good job of that stuff. He ends up getting really good, really good stuff with all the short track stuff and it's really good. Yeah. Nice. All right. Well, thank you, Kelly, for joining us. Kelly, I feel like we didn't give you a hard enough time. I know. Well, we got rushed. I guess that just means that I'll have to come back. Yes. Yeah, that means you got to come back. I was the only girl on the show.

Thanks for coming on. Yeah. And blame Matthew Dona for rushing us because he's like, Doe Jr.'s coming. You guys got to hurry. Yeah. Your podcast? You want to plug it?

Yeah. The Racing Writers' Podcasts not as awesome namedly as yours is. That's okay. Somebody's got that second. I'll take second. That's okay. You don't have millions of listeners. We're out.

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