Door Bumper Clear - 129 - The Bob Pockrass Tell-All

Episode Date: March 25, 2019

Bob Pockrass joins the gang to dish on his job and discuss Martinsville, tires lasting 3,000 laps, schedule rumors, hickeys and plenty more. Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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He and the guys will also discuss everything from Martinsville, tires lasting 3,000 laps, the upcoming release of the 2020 Cup schedule, and plenty more. Let's jump in. I'm going to be ready, be ready. Be ready. Can be what you got here. New leader. Watch out for this guy. White flag. Recognize.

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Woo! Hey, everybody. I am T.J. Majors. And we have a full house today. No Freddie, but we obviously have Bob Pock Rass. Did you hear what Casey called him? I said it by accident. I got a text message at the same time. You guys are being so rude.

I can't believe he called Bob an ass. You shouldn't text and do reads at the same time. Here's the best thing about that is that, you know, because people are like, gosh, what a name popper ass. And the thing is, my mom's maiden name was Weiner. So she actually moved up in the world by marrying a dude named Popper ass. So, you know. I didn't think I accent you even that bad. I'm so sorry.

You guys won't let me redo the read. Like, this is not okay. This is live. Hey, the best thing about having this name is that, like, when you. you're on teleconferences and you spell your name, you always, I always stop after the R and then see the last three letters just to see if the operator laughs. And occasionally you'll get a good laugh. That's funny.

Well, we're sorry that Casey called you a name right off the bat. You could do, like, I bet he can make some awesome passwords with his name. Yeah. Like you use the at symbol for the A and then two dollar signs at the end. Well, I'm so sorry. I promise I've called you the right name many times. but this read is very long and I got distracted, really sorry. Maybe if somebody would let me redo it, we would be fine.

So Bob Pockras, welcome the door bumper clear. Thanks. So we've been begging Bob to come on this podcast for a couple years. Bob was obviously ESPN guy now. He's a Fox guy. Fox is obviously a lot more cool than ESPN to let you finally come on our podcast, man. Well, everybody has rules and ESPN certain rules about podcast. So, you know, it's all good.

It's all fun, please. It's fun to be here. So, man, we got to get, we got to get that. Make sure our audience knows everything they can know about you, right? So first and foremost, how many years you've been working in sport? Oh, full time since 2003. But I started the Daytona Beach News Journal in 91. And my first Daytona 500 was 92, even covered a, then the Bush series race back at Volusia County Speedway,

right? It was asphalt back in 92. A long time. And before that, I grew up in Indianapolis, and I was covered Indy 500s in the late 80s and early 90s. Yeah. So obviously, the thing that a lot of people in our industry respect the most about you is your work ethic.

So where the hell did you get that from? Was it from Wiener or from Pockgrass? It may have been. My parents grew up in New York City in the mid-1930s, right? And so you talk about families who, you know, grew up in the Depression. And, like, you never knew when the next. you know, when the bomb was going to fall out. So I think that's part of it.

And I don't know, I just, I just, I love giving people information. And so, you know, whether I was covering high school sports, in college sports, back in Daytona, in addition to doing some racing, I just, you know, I just enjoy doing it. I enjoy talking to people and enjoy helping people understand what's going on. Are you always the first media person to the track? Not always. Usually I'd say like top five. What times do you get there?

Yesterday morning. I got there about 740. Seven 40. What about, garage open at 8? What about Saturday morning? Saturday, garage open at 6.30. I got in about 6.45 because sometimes crew guys, especially on Saturdays, drive crazy, you know, trying to get to the track.

So you either got to, so if it's going to be that early, I'll be like, okay, I'll arrive like 10 minutes after all the crazy band drivers. I can confirm he's usually one of the first people in the garage. Or in the media center. That's what I mean, I wake up, you know, like nine. And the first thing I do is go look at, you know, Bob's timeline. I'm like, man, this guy was there all for early. Yeah.

So wait a minute. You saw a bush race at Volusia? Yeah. Wow. How was that? That had to be entertaining. It was crazy. Jeff Gordon led a ton of laps, and then he wrecked.

I want to say Steve Grissom won that race. Oh, nice. If I remember right? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So. Was it fun?

It was fun, except, like, it was, the track was actually breaking up, because they would run that in the July 4 weekend as a companion. and as a companion to what was going on in Daytona, and the asphalt was coming apart because it was so hot. Yeah. And it was only like, I think they only did two or three bush races there. Hmm. You should bring that back. Yeah.

Yeah. So how's the transition going, man, from ESPN to Fox? What are you doing that you weren't doing? What are you learning? I'm doing a lot of TV. Yeah. I got to learn how to hold a mic apparently because I had apparently the death grip on it yesterday, right? Well, and I'm...

You're definitely choking it. Well, yeah. I will say this, the keyboard critics of my performance are much more accurate than the keyboard critics of drivers or cruise. You know, I read it. I'm like, yeah, I know, you know. But hey, we have an arrogant saying in our business. If you don't want it printed, don't let it happen. Yeah.

So if you're going to go out there and be on TV, you're going to have to. You got to own it. You got to take it as it comes and, you know, just roll with it. So you liking it? I'm enjoying it. Look, I like giving information. information people. A lot of people watch pre-race shows. I remember seeing you in Daytona, and we were talking a little bit about it. And you were kind of, you looked a little nervous about the TV part of it.

So you like doing that part? It is. I mean, look, I'm 50 years old. You don't really start TV careers at age 50, right? It'd be like saying, hey, I think I'll go exfini race in age 50, even though, you know, I may have done a few races all my life. I think it's cool, man. You know, so, I mean, we'll see where it goes, but it's fun. And, you know, I can't thank Fox enough for, you know, they didn't have this job. You know, once they pivoted to video on their website, they don't have, like, writers or anything or, you know, like 24-7 reporters. And, you know, when they found out I was available, they felt like I could add something to their, to the, not just their telecast, but just, you know, feeding information to people all the time throughout the weekend. The NASCAR community needs you. A lot of us, a lot of us go to you for information a lot.

And the weather report. Weather report. If they have lights at the track. If a track's going to have lights. Yeah. You know, like what certain, sometimes situations come up. And most of us, I mean, we're pretty familiar with the roles and stuff. But sometimes situations come up and I'd be like, I don't know, I'm going to go look

what Bob says. And that's a lot of pressure. But, you know, the hard part is, like, this year where you have a series director change, sometimes interpretation can change and you don't know about it until you ask. So I think sometimes people ask questions and you don't answer or you don't specifically comment on things until you check and say, hey, is it still this way? Yeah. Because you never know.

So you've seen, you know, obviously the business of media and journalism change a ton, you know, over the course of your career. We have a lot of listeners, obviously, out there. A lot of people are always asking T.J. and I, how do I get into spotting? Like, if you had a person right now that was in high school, in college that wanted to be in journalism, where would you tell them to focus to get ready for the rest of their career? Because, like, Jason, obviously with us, you know, he's doing some media-based things.

Like, what do you advise those kids to train for? I advise that, and it's so hard because things are changing so much. But I still, I look at, you know, a lot of people in this business didn't cover racing full time when they first started. They were at newspapers or websites that did other things besides racing, but they were able to do enough racing to them get themselves noticed. So that's what I suggest, you know, don't be afraid to do some, do other things. even if racing is your ultimate goal. Right. You know,

but, you know, you look at somebody like Caitlin Vinci at Fox. She, I mean, if you could, you still might be able to find some of her reports from Langley at YouTube. And she was just,

you know, going to Langley Speedway and, and, and, and, and then, you know, actually seen Daly noticed it and had her do, do some stuff for,

for us when we were still around there. And, and, you know, and I think she went and was doing the speed stage for a while and just kind of kept on work. working and hustling and, you know, I mean, put in a lot, a lot of work to get where she is. And I just, again, you know, everybody wants sometimes, everybody says, well, you want to be at the big track.

But, you know, a lot of times, you know, kind of going to your local track is putting in the work. Yeah, it's putting in the work. And if you're working for a website or a newspaper and you cover the local track and do some features, that might make them more interested in covering the NASCAR stuff at the big track. One person that I think does a really good job right now, I don't think many people know about them. I get an email every morning at 6 a.m. called the Motorsports Beat. Do you know what? Yeah, from Aaron?

Yeah. Yeah. And he is doing a lot of work with that. He covers all the, you get that? No. He'll tell you about every other racing series around the world. It would be in one article, the top story, then it would be like IndyCar, Formula One, this series, Motorcross.

And you can find, and you get it every morning, six o'clock in the morning. Yeah. And it's all the highlight stories of each what happened each day. And I think it's pretty neat It is I mean it's all about finding your niche Right Yeah

And finding something that is not being done And trying to And trying to do it Yeah he does a really good job With it Yeah You know and he's Patreon supported I think right now

So you know He's kind of dependent on Were you considering at any point Doing the Patreon route? That's a question Ask Bob Oh sorry We need to get a piggy bank year

Like where's that has one for us. I have one. I think I have a Ricky Stenhouse helmet that's like, you know, one of his sponsors. You've got to donate that to us. So from now on. I'll donate to you because I know how much you love Ricky Stenhouse. Yes.

And say the 17 car on your radio. I feel bad for Ricky though because sometimes I go on Twitter and I see all these names that people call him. Yeah. And they're like, uh, Rekie Spin House. Yeah. And I'm like, man. That's pretty good. Talk about tough one guy.

I got one more question before we dive in this thing. That's your burner account you read. Exactly. So like for me, man, like I get here in 1999. You were actually working at Daytona Beach Journal. I remember that like it was yesterday. Dustin Long was up in Virginia to newspaper, like Mike Mulhern, obviously, in Greensboro. So we've seen all those like newspaper guys, the beat reporter guys that were AP USA today.

I mean, from small town papers to big time national papers, they've kind of gone by the wayside from a presence at the track. And it's more of dot-com guys and obviously our two networks, NBC and Fox that cover us. Why do you think that is, man? What do you think brought that trend about? Well, I think when you're trying to cut costs, travels the first area to cut because it's something that you can cut right now, right? It's not a fixed cost. So, you know, it costs a lot of money to travel, you know, probably average a 30 or 40 grand a year if you do it somewhat right. Right, right.

That just, it's an easy place to cut. And, you know, typically you knew AP was covering it and we just used that. And I think that's, I think that's, that's, that's just a business decision. I think it's a business decision. Now, I would say maybe in the last five years, it's probably click-based decision, right? Is, are you getting enough hits to, uh, to do, to cover, you know, the time? Yeah. And, you know, that's, now I wouldn't say that was necessarily the case at ESPN.

And I think I don't really know, but I would say that might be more just don't have the rights. So I'm not going to have a writer. I mean, when I did PR, we would come to you and pitch a story. And you would either say yes or no. And if you said no, I went to David Poole, pitch the same story, right? So now, I mean, it's almost like you watch what the storylines are every single week. And there's not as much pitching and there's not as much writing about things. It's more of we're just covering what's going on.

Well, and the question is, does your sponsor want a story on a certain website or would they rather have a social media post or a video that has potential to go viral? You know, I think that's the other thing that with the media landscape changing, you know, how do you, you know, what's the worth for sponsors, you know, in what's aired or what's written? Right, right. Well, man, we appreciate your perspective on the journalism stuff. Love it. Hardest working guy in NASCAR, TJ. Wouldn't you say that?

Works harder than we do. He definitely works harder than we do. Hardest working, maybe most knowledgeable. Yeah. I mean, if there was a, what's that game show where you go and Nancy Raleigh's? Jeopardy? I'll take, you know, 1990s NASCAR, you know. I don't know.

I know where to find stuff. Like, I don't have, I don't have stats in my head. Well, you might not know stats, but you remember, you know a lot of stuff. So I'll be like, this guy start in the back? Yeah, he starts in the back. I heard Bob's favorite part of the weekend is when he gets the media center and practice starts and the TVs aren't turned on and the volume's not turned up. So, yeah, and the hard part is it's because, so fans watch TV.

So they'll ask us questions of what they see on TV. So it's important to somebody, I mean, before I was ever with Fox, it was still important to us in the media center, at least me and some others who get a lot of questions that it's the TV audio. And sometimes you get the track feed or the radio. But it's important to us to have the TV audio. and sometimes they're just a little slow on the trigger. Look, the hard part for tracks,

and we went through this the other day to try to get over, is that in other sports, they have like two or three exhibition games to get everything ready and everything set. And here we come, and it's full bore for three days, and then maybe, again, six months later for three days.

And it's never the same, a lot of times not the same people doing the same jobs. And there's never, the view for tracks often probably is like, well, you know, a little hiccup there or a little hookup there, you know, you're going to have that. And our view is we get the same hiccup every week. Yeah. And so we may not under, we probably need to be a little bit more understanding what the track's gone through,

and sometimes they probably need to be a little bit more understanding. So your TVs don't work. Guess what doesn't work for us? Elevators. Four elevators at Fontana to get us to the roof. Three of them were broke the first day. It's like, did this date sneak up on y'all? Did you realize a race was coming?

You know, you can know what I mean. It is nice once you see the same people doing the same thing when you go back because they recognize you. And if you build a friendship with them, they recognize you. You obviously have your credential out and stuff. And it's like, oh, hey, man, how you been? How you been? Good to see it. You know, then you go to your.

Right. Sometimes you get people that are like, you know, who are you? They told me yesterday with my hard card in my hand, I couldn't walk cross track. I was like, okay, man, sorry, I'm still going cross track. I did the same thing. I have my credential. It's got my picture on it. It says NASCAR.

It says, you know, Stuart. We weren't house racing, and you're telling me I can't go right there to do my job. A driver hops off a golf cart. No credential in hand. Walks across race, Shaglet. Oh, but I've seen somebody with their fire suit on not being able to go in the DO lot because he left his hard card. Casey Kane. Yes, actually a few others.

Fontana, that happened again. In the last few weeks, I saw PR director get, look, ask for his credential going into the media center in the VR office. That's too funny. Awesome. Casey, let's kick this thing off. Spot on. Spot on, spot off. He's spot off.

He's spot up there. Spot on you like it. Spot off, you don't like it. And you say why either way. First topic. Kislauski's 446 laps led most for a race winner since Kyle Petty at Rockingham in 1992. Spot on, spot off. We'll do Bob.

Well, I mean, great for Brad, but spot off. Because you want to have, I mean, what was it? Three or four lead changes? the whole race. You want spot off just because you want to have different leaders in a race. You never want to see anybody to leave for 446 laps, especially after then the guy gets out car and says, Chase Elliott probably was the best car.

So, you know, I'm spot on because it's a teammate. But I wish I'm spot off because I wish it was me. I wish it was our car. I mean, you can't help but be spot on for Kuzlowski's effort. I mean, to go leave 446 laps out of 500. is freaking crazy, but I mean, Bob's not wrong either. If you want it to be entertaining and we're all talking about it being more entertaining, that's certainly not going to be one of the more entertaining Martinsville races.

But you've got to look at two different ways here. This is vintage NASCAR here, though. This happens once in a while in the sport and people can get mad at and say, yeah, the race really sucked, but, you know, this is an accomplishment, you know, to them guys and that group and to do something like this. we've had caution-free Remember, didn't Dale Juret win a caution-free race

at Michigan one time? Yeah, led the whole thing. Led the whole thing. And then, yeah, how bad? I think it's 2000. And this race was pretty good. I mean, there was some bumping and banging, you know, but, you know, this is a tip of the hat

to these guys for accomplishing this. People need to recognize that, how hard it is to do that in this sport. Spot on for Kyle Petty, man. Like, I remember him running good at Dover, running good at, you know, Rockingham running good at Richmond. You know, won that race of Richmond,

run a fifth. I think the guy had eight wins in his whole career. But for him to have dominated a race, I don't remember a dominant Kyle Petty. And now, Rockingham, where you have to be sliding off a turn four every right, the right way, every time. It's like Dover. Yeah, big, and they always said,

if Kyle Petty's running good somewhere, that means you got to lift early. That's just the way he got in the corner. But, man, spot off Kyle Petty. Spot on Kyle Petty. That's awesome. Yeah. Spot on any team that can do this in our racing today.

because that's tough to do. Next one, tire wear data from teams said the left side tires would have lasted for 3,000 plus laps on Sunday. Is it data or data? I call it data or data? I call it data. Sorry. Bob, is it data? You also have to Pock Rass.

I moved to Indiana when I was 10, so it's data. Data, data. Data, data. Pock Rass says data. This is an unbelievable fact that an engineer on a team can. can provide us with the knowledge that says the left side tires would have lasted for 3,000 plus laps. I can't help but go spot on for a good year for being able to build a tire that can last for 3,000 laps. Are you sick?

What happened to your, are you sick? The reality is these guys are. You can't spot off it now too. They're challenged. No, listen, they're challenged with making a tire that can sustain the highest corner speeds we've ever seen in the sport of NASCAR and in being able to do so with a tire that won't fail because the last thing their brand wants is to put a tire out there that's going to blow and catch a lot of PR crap over. So you have to say spot on for them being able to do that without having these tire failure.

It's not their fault that the cars are going through fast so fast through the center corner. You know, I don't doubt good year's ability to make a good hard tire like that. They've proven many times. They proved it yesterday. They proved it many times. They can make a hard enough tire. I'm spot off because we should not be able to run tires like this. We need tire wear.

We need teams. We need to have to tell our drivers, take care of your stuff. It'll pay off in the end. This will not separate the field at all on pit stops at all. You don't have guys that are going to pit, maybe stay out, you know, do things. Like it just wasn't the right combo, in my opinion. We need tires that wear out. When tires wear out, guys fight the handling of the cars.

and we have the field flip-flops and you have passing and you have guys coming and guys going. So, you know, we need tire wear, not wear less. Yeah, I just have a real hard time knowing that a Bubba Pollard, you know, at his short track race on Saturday night, is going to have to manage his tires and be disciplined and do the things that he's got to do to win. And we're letting cup drivers just go out there and run wire them out. And the same person that gave us this data said that the right side, tires would have lasted for over 300 laps. Interesting.

What do you think, Bob? I'm going to go spot off. Yeah. Because, I mean, like, the same reason. I can't, if I said Keselowski leading 400-something laps is spot off. I got to say this is spot off. And look, it was the same, it's the same tire that they left size that they've had since, like, April, 2013. So, obviously, NASCAR didn't set the rules in time for them to be able to go Martinsville to test.

Is that fact he just pulled out? And I had to look it up. I had to look it up. But, yeah, so, I mean, if you don't, obviously, if you increase downforce and you don't test, what in the world you think is going to happen? They obviously don't want tires to blow, but do you think that Goodyear saying, oh, we need a tire? That one needs the last 3,000 laps? No. So, you know, there needed to be, there needed to be some sort of test there.

The rules had to be, should have been set early enough that they at least went there and tested. and seen if they could have made a change. And look, the Goodyear people, I've been to Akron a couple of times. They're dedicated. Oh, yeah. They work hard. But, you know, they... The only tire that wore out too fast was Indy that one time.

Yeah. So when the media is saying the tire's too hard, when the drivers are saying the tire is too hard, when obviously T.J. and I are sitting here on the show saying... I have a crew chief today, well, what you think is going to happen when they're racing on hockey pucks, you know? The tires are too hard. But where is the communication line to fix that?

problem. Does NASCAR go to Go to NASCAR? I think NASCAR has to go to Go to NASCAR and say when, you know, it needs to be, it needs to wear a little bit. And hopefully they find a happy medium. Well, you know they just listen to the show and make the call. Obviously. Well, usually that's what happens. We have an idea in a month later there's a... We need tires that wear out. I mean,

just wear out. Like, they don't need... And the hard part is that teams are going to be developing this package. So, you know, you can't just go. I'm going to say like, hey, let's go to Martinsville next month and test for October. you're going to have to wait to like July. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Chevy scores just third top five of the season with Chase Elliott's P2 finish. Spot on, spot off, TJ. I mean, I don't know how you can spot on that for them. You know, I expected year two in that car to be a little bit better. And, you know, it still seems like they're struggling a little bit, so I'm going to spot off it. Kurt Busch has two top fives. Chase Elliott has a top five.

Spot on because I'm going to Ford. I was, I mean, yeah. I'm shocked by this, though. Yeah, me too. I'm going to just Mr. Spot off, man. Bob off. I'm Mr. Negative. I mean, I mean, it's good for Chase, and I thought that he had a good car in qualifying.

And we had a good car in qualifying, too, Bob. Yeah, that's true. He may have had the best car of a best car of. of anybody there yesterday. And, you know, so it's good to see that team still run, still run well. But, you know, it's certainly a head scratcher for Hendrick and what's going on there. When you're talking to these guys of garage, because TJ and I obviously aren't going up to these guys and asking them, what's wrong? What are you working on?

What's going on with Jimmy Johnson? Like, what is the vibe that you get? I think the vibe I got is that they went a little bit for the intermediate tracks, you know, everybody's trying to figure out do you build your cars more like super speedway cars or how do you increase do you look to increase drag do you look to increase down force even though you had an increase in down force or are you looking at right rear heights and i think hendrick went a little bit more towards exploring how to gain more downforce which allowed them to qualify well but not race well okay so i think that's where that is i'm not sure where they were off at at martinzell

that obviously they... It's crazy because Chase is so fast. I mean, obviously it's a mechanically, you know, gripped racetrack, and the other three were nowhere to be found. Yeah. Amazing to see Jimmy Johnson struggle like that. Yeah. I mean, we all know how good he is there. Yeah, not good.

Kyle Busch hasn't finished worse than P6 in any cup, Xfinity, or trucker's this season, which is incredible. Casey, I honestly think that Jason sleeps in Kyle Busch pajamas. I actually text And I was like, should we cut this one? It's every single week that this guy brings up Kyle Bush.

All right. Let me see your underwear, Jason. So when they talk about it on the broadcast, every single second, it's just ingrained to my brain that Kyle Bush is the story. Let me see your underwear right now. Or the fact that you're a huge Kyle Bush fan. That's not true. Remember his background?

Whose? At one time, I had a Martinsville background with Truex, Kyle, and another Toyota just because it was a nice picture I take. Let's see your tattoo on your lower back, Jason. Yeah. Let's see your tramp stamp. All right. We can go Tony Stewart. Is it an Eminem?

Yes. So next one. Is it an Eminem? You got Eminem? Next one. Tony Stewart's quote on what NASCAR has to do to increase popularity. Jason, you want to read that one? So he said they've got to get drivers that have personality.

It's great having opportunities to drive cars, but shoot, they're not even old enough to go to a bar and they're trying to make these 18-year-old kids heroes. I'm still a race fan too, but it's hard for me to embrace somebody who just graduated high school and they're driving a cup car. What have they done to really legitimately earn them? opportunity. There's hundreds of thousands of race car drivers across the country that have clawed and scratched their way at Saturday night short tracks and worked on their cars their whole life to get where they are. Then you get these kids with rich fathers and deep pockets that put them in

the race cars. All of a sudden, because they're 18 years old, they think they deserve to be in a cup car. I have a hard time with that. I think there are drivers out there with experience and personality that make race fans want to follow them. That's what's lacking now. Bob, spot on, spot off. I'm going to say, I mean, he's spot on, but, you know, it sounds like a guy who couldn't use his 20 years of experience to his advantage late in his cup career. And I think that's where that frustration comes from. And rightfully so, you know, everything that he knew about racing cars wasn't applicable, right, in his last few years, or at least didn't look like it. And that would frustrate anybody. I also agree on the personality front. But how many? people have a stronger personality at 18 than they do at 24, 25, 26 when they used to. I mean, you look at a guy like Ryan Priest, he has kind of a personality already, right? You know, he's as a cup rookie. But other, you know, when these guys come in at 18 or 19,

they're just high school college players create a personality by being in the locker hanging out in locker room, being on team bus, four hours, five hours, you know, to go to a game. they don't if you're a race car driver you're 12, 13 years old you're going to race tracks and everybody just wants to kick your ass because you're beating

the older guys right and you don't have other 15, 16 year olds mechanics they're all 30, 40 year olds working on your car so how do you develop a personality if you're not even hanging around people your own age? Especially if you're homeschool.

Yeah, I mean there's a lot of things that Tony said there I tend to agree with them on I think there's personality there but it's there's just things are different now than back in the day when these guys weren't you know when they got to the racetrack they were they were enemies pretty much at the racetrack they were enemies you know during the week oh yeah you want to grab some lunch let's grab some lunch but when you got to the racetrack on Friday I'm going to beat you and I'm going to do whatever it

takes and I don't know if we have I don't know if we have that I'm not going to elaborate too much on it I think you will. You know what I mean. What? You're going to... I'm teaming it up for you. Go ahead. I'm serious.

Everyone's... They're too close. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's the motorhome lot. Yeah. It's a traveling circus and all their kids are buddies and their buddies. I mean, I literally look at a picture in here of Dale Earnhardt and Dale Earnhardt Jr. And I don't even know that they were buddies.

And they were father and son. I mean, they're racing against each other. Competitive. Yeah, and I think the, you know, these guys, man, it kind of gets on my nerves sometimes when the drivers come over the radio and are screaming at us to get help and get somebody out of the way. Like, knock his ass out of the way. You've got the bumper. I don't have a magic button up here to fly at F-16 over the track and bomb his car. About these comments, though, you know, I think Bob's right.

These guys already have a personality. The question is, how much are they suppressed by their teams, by their sponsors? You know, we know that things happen in this sport and teams and sponsors take a stay in the driver has to, to follow that stand. Where I struggle more is for me to gravitate toward an athlete, they have to be a badass in some way, shape, or form. And badass may mean winning races like Kyle Larson, or badass may mean you think he'll kick your ass like Jimmy Spencer.

But at some point, there is a badass element that has to be in there. And I think the key is for these guys to expose themselves as a badass. And let's face it, some of them just aren't badasses at anything. They got here, and we don't even know how they got here, right? Well, that's part of the problem, right? They didn't race four or five years at a hickory or at a South Boston or in Irwindale or Baker's Field. Or a local track for 10 years, then move into the truck series. You know, that people already know him and they've already developed.

That's why a priest, you know, he has a little bit of personality because he's been... He's done all that. He's done all that. Christopher Bell actually has been maybe a little bit more personality than some of the other young guys. Although it's very, you know, hardcore racing. Like, here's the example when you talk about sponsors. And I'm not going to try not to pick on Chase Elliott. But I remember them asking him something, like, where are you guys going on your vacation?

And I think they said, like, me and Blaine are going to Ireland, right? I think that was on the radio. And I thought to myself, well, things that Pearson didn't say. Right. But if he had just said, we're going to go Ireland and we're going to, we're going to suck all the Guinness that we can out of that country, that would have been, like, that would be great, right? Yeah. But he's sponsored by Mountain Dew. So, you know, so Mountain Duke probably wouldn't have liked it.

Maybe Hendrick wouldn't have liked it. And it may not even be Chase's personality to put that out there. I don't know yet. But like just something that simple could change it. People can relate to that. Well, I think there's, I mean, all of the brand messaging that sponsors send drivers and all of the focus that NASCAR has right now with trying to reach that younger demographic. So, I mean, some of the points that I see Tony mentioning, like maybe they're focusing on.

it too much and it's just kind of getting cluttered to your point. I think it was last year one of my favorite things was when they asked Blaney how he prepared for the 600 and what was his answer? Like he said drank less. Yeah, he said he drank less beer that week, which I thought was pretty fun. And that, like that, I thought it was pretty good. Spot on for Tony Stewart being Tony Stewart. Yeah.

Yeah. During the break, we've been sharing a best of DVC moment. This one is from episode 90, the Hickey meter. Oh. Classic. Good timing. Do you know anybody that's ever had more than one Hickey at a time? Like there's, like, there's, like, there's like a Hickey, and then there's, like, trailer

park hickies, if you got more than one. Like, a hickie's kind of like, oh, that guy, obviously got that. He's got one, you know. Yeah, but two? You ever know anybody with two visible hickies? Visible, probably. I mean, I think I've seen it before. I can't remember exactly when, but that's like trailer part.

That's a good night. That's a lot going on there. Three hickies, you probably didn't even remember it. I mean, if you get more than one in a visible area. We need a hickie meter. Where higgies not very, you know, attractive in Pagelam. Dude, everybody had hickies. Hey, man, you're going to see a hickie.

All right, let's be wondering what a bobb says this weekend at the track. Why would Bob? What's he got to do with Hickey? I bet Bob Pockers has never had a Hickey. Oh, what? Let's call and ask him. Let's text him. Let's not.

He looks like a real reserve guy. I think he listens to the show, so he doesn't hear this. I know, Bob, yeah. He just doesn't, you know, he's got a great sense of humor, first of all when he lets it out of the bag. But he just looks like a reserve guy that he'd be like, stop sucking on my neck. Stop it. I don't want a Hickey. I got to be at the track at 5 a.m.

the reading center doesn't open until seven but i still got to be there five i don't know i'll tell i i'm touching i i have nothing to say here yeah so so bob you ever had a hickie um that's a really this is a bad story but i'll tell it because i know you guys probably want here is this one you told me already yeah so i yeah maybe i had one and i maybe and so like you know i had a cook good night right about 30 30 miles from home. And I'm like, all right, I got to get to work on time. But I got to get home and at least change my shirt to maybe cover that thing up.

And so, you know, scrow on my bed. You know, you're kind of bleary eye and you say goodbye. You walk out door and you're driving. And you're just kind of waking up. And I'm 20 miles down the road. And I look at a sign, you know, a mile sign, and I can't read it. It's still blurry. I'm like, what the hell's wrong?

I look up. I put on her glasses. So I have to, and this is a way before, like, cell phones or tech, I have to turn around. Drive off, the good thing I didn't show up at work with her glasses. But I had a hickie. So, yeah, so I did get to work a little late that day. That's awesome. Our hickie story has gone full circle now.

We've closed it. So that hickie story started with a guy here that came in and he had to go find some makeup. Yeah, giggles had to go find some makeup. So that's how the Hickey story got. I don't know how Bob got involved with it. Bob started this earlier. It was a good night. Oh, man, that was awesome.

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Dirty Demo. And we are back. We'll head in the fast lane. I'll give these guys three topics pertaining to racing and one that is off the wall. They'll have 30 seconds to respond to each. First question. And Bob, just for you, you have 30 seconds to answer this. I know you watch the show, but just the case.

Each of you will make a 30 second statement on your assessment. of the 2019 season so far. Ready, go. TJ. Great. Well. Dang. Oh, I'm next.

B minus, racing's decent, not great. Look, when I want to see, when I want to see is, I want to see that driver's family jewels are as big as their tires. And I haven't seen that yet. So that's going to be my judge of,

yeah, of, you know, I want to see a B.M.O.M. Where I think that they're badass is, like you said. Yeah. and that their jewels are as big as their tires. It wants hickies, too. Jules and hickies.

So T.J. has said on here many, many times that top speed doesn't matter. And for me, I think everybody that said that has gotten this entirely wrong. And I tweeted this last night, when guys are going faster than they're capable of going, and the cars are going faster than they're capable of going, they make errors and they wreck and they hit one another and they do crazy things that make it entertaining for the rest of us to watch. speed the cars up on these straightaways.

That's my assessment of 2019. We're not going fast enough. The 2020 Cup schedule is rumored to come out tomorrow. What's one thing we can expect to see, Brett? Well, I think it's cool that's coming out this early, first of all, because a lot of times we're in August and not knowing what we know next year looks like. I don't know if it's this year in 2020 or if it's 2021, but I think you see Daytona become the last race of the regular season.

on point. I think you see a few changes for next year. I think the following schedule is going to be even more. You know, I think they're going to, I think they're going to flirt next year with a few things, what we're leading into. What are they going to flirt with? Pickies. Maybe a night race that a track that's considered it now, maybe. Which track?

I don't know. Oh, you guys have to tell us now. Why don't you tell us? You know more than us. I don't. Bob, you have to be the. the one that right the news he'll care. The hard part is, first off, my boss is at Fox probably know the schedule.

Oh, yeah. Can you send a message, Bob? Yeah, you know, I just don't think they're going to tell me. But look, if there's, as Martins is 2020 the year that Martinsville has night race, I think it's possible. The Ford deal, sponsorship of Homestead ends this year. I don't think they're going to renew it for another five years. So I think that gives them some flexibility to maybe move Homestead. So do you think we race Homestead last race next year or no?

I'd be very surprised. prize. Yeah. I mean, I think Phoenix. Yeah. Possibly. You think

Phoenix? Yeah. You think we see a double header on this schedule? Well, there's been some talk of Pocono, maybe running both Saturday and Sunday Cup races. I'm not sure that that happens next year or not. Yeah. Adam's turn just tweeted basically all that.

Phoenix has the last raise, a Pocono double header. I think he tweeted. It's going to be, it's been all been discussed. Yeah. I want to ask you this. So, so, so, I mean, I should ask you earlier in the show, right? But there are so many things that you need. know that are going to happen and you can't always say via your outlets that they're going to

happen because it's not official or confirmed. How much stuff do you know that you can't break? You know, when you talk about like media, like you guys supposedly have the same tech bay for each driver, right? At least it's supposed to be, right? Right, right. Yeah, supposed to be. We think it is. We all have different ones. Like, right? Like my editor may require a certain amount of confirmation. Jamfriars editor might require a certain amount. Adam Sterner. might require a certain amount, Nate Ryan's. So we all have different tech bays that we're competing against. So Lee Spencer can say whatever she wants.

Well, I mean, I wouldn't say. To some degree. I mean, depending on what her bosses say, yeah. You don't have a tech bay, do you? So it sometimes depends on the situation and the importance. So do you ever get frustrated when you have something that you know is going to happen and you can't break it and it breaks a week later or something crazy? And you're sitting there going, man, I had this and I just couldn't get it out.

Yeah, you can be frustrated. I think what's frustrating is that if you know or if you have a pretty good idea that your standard, your company's standard was higher than somebody else's company's standard. Right. I mean, you can't do anything about it either. Like it's, you know, you're, I mean, you typically, when those things happen, you've already talked to your air and say, look, this is why I know this is who I've got. Who more do I need to get to confirm it? Because, look, I mean, there have been drivers who've done photo shoots for rides that don't end up happening. Right.

So, you know, so. Buckshot Jones sent back his UPS contract via FedEx. Guess what happened? He lost that deal. Like, there is crazy stuff that happens. You're right. So it's, and sometimes you hear things that were true like two weeks ago that aren't true now.

Yeah. So that's the hardest part. Yeah. Well, this schedule coming out is a good thing. I applaud NASCAR because for 10 years we've all been saying, let's change some things on this schedule. Let's not end at the same track. every year and I still stand by that. If we're going to end

to Phoenix in 2020 and 2021 let's not end to Phoenix. Like let's keep the target moving. I think it should move because with this format where it's the one race deal. You think we see Nashville 2020 or do you think it's 2021? Oh, it's got to be 2021 at the earliest. There's still a lot of work to do. And an All-Star weekend.

I'd rather just see a full race. But I mean, that place still needs a lot of work. Okay. Dale I came to me and said that thing was old when we were still running. Right. Right. Jason, another Kyle question is the trend. Kyle Busch and Jimmy Johnson have combined to win the last four Texas spring races. What's more likely it happened on Sunday?

One of them wins to make it five or a different driver wins? Bob. Different driver wins. I'd go with Martin Truix Jr. I think he's been good on the intermediate tracks. I think they're knocking on the door. Man, you know, for me, Kyle Busch and this rules package is lights out. I think that this particular package of a car falls right into his driving style.

I think he's going to be, you know, one of the guys to beat, if not the guy to beat. I mean, Pinsky and Kyle Busch right now are the teams and driver that are separating themselves from everybody else. I think Jason wakes up in his Kyle Busch pajamas on Sunday. That's probably going to happen. You know, Texas fits Kyle really well. I think, you know, I think Brad will be tough. I think Blaney is a little bit of. a sleeper for this race now.

I like Blaney there as well. Off the wall question. A California man set up naked mannequins in his yard after a complaint from a nosy neighbor forced him to lower the height of his fence. Have you ever done something to annoy your neighbor? T.J. I've been fortunate to have good neighbors, so I've never purposely done anything other than maybe fly my drone over their pool or something.

No, I'm just kidding. No, I've never done anything like that. That's a really good idea, though. Any pranks on your neighbors when you live on Dale's property? Okay, that's a different story. That's not a 30-second time. There was a lot of pranking at one time. I don't think I've ever done anything to annoy neighbors.

I try to... Yeah, be civil. Especially since you're not home a lot. Yeah, it's... Brett, on the other hand here. He's grilling naked. sometimes occasionally might call somebody on their cell, like in your office, like you might try to send somebody over there to distract them if they're doing something

that ticks you off or being loud or something like that. Man, I don't in college we did some dumb stuff. Like we had a bunch of cheerleaders that lived above us, and they were male cheerleaders. And if they were being loud, we would turn our stereo system up literally wide open to where it would vibrate the things in their apartment. And we eventually got to be friends with them. So I was like, hey, I want to crank the system up and come upstairs and see what it actually does up here. And, I mean, we had a big Occhio system.

Man, sure wouldn't Vega 15s, you know, we're rocking out. It literally was shake their whole place. You know, I was like, man, sorry for being so annoyed. Yeah, that colored me bad, gets you real going. But if they'd walk heavy, I was like, well, here we go. Yeah. Ask DBC. First question, N.A. Young wants to know why do you think NASCAR is so unwilling to go to a

low down force and high horsepower package. Bob, how will you take this one? I think NASCAR keeps telling us that they want, their goal is 550 horsepower in hopes of attracting new manufacturers. And so I think that's the driving force because they feel like they need more manufacturers and they do. And I think that's kind of, have they given any indication as to what that means financially for a new manufacturer or not really?

I mean, because obviously when they say they want to attract a new manufacturer, I'm guessing what would keep out a manufacturer is cost. Right. So by doing 550, they're saying it's lower cost. What does that mean? I think they believe that the R&D on a 550 would be less than an R&D on a 750 because your parts and pieces would be more durable. And maybe it's also potentially to have even more engines used more multiple times.

Yeah. How do we get the cars off the ground? Just pick them up. How do we get rid of some down force? You just cut the side skirts and cut the side skirts. splitter off, right? Yeah. I mean, that's...

It can't be that simple, can it? I don't think it's that simple. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I... It sounds simple. It does sound simple, but these teams, man, just like you know... It's almost like we're an indie car with Fenders, though.

I mean, we're slammed to the ground. There's no air getting under our car. Like, the downforce numbers are crazy. That's... I wish we could just get the front end up, like, where you... You roll through the heights or whatever, and once your valence, wears off a little bit, there's a gap, you know, and I don't know. NASCAR Josh submitted any indication on what changes are expected with the Gen 7 car.

Bob probably knows more than anybody on that, that's right? I mean, I think they're still talking a lot about it, but I would think you're going to go to composite bodies. I think that's the, I think that'll definitely be a part of it. And I believe they will look a little bit. The hope is that they look a little bit more like the passenger cars. Yeah, those are the bodies that now, I literally, a few weeks ago, I watched an Xfinity car hit the wall, and I watched it right front fender in slow motion pop back out, which I thought was kind of cool. I mean, if you obviously hit it hard enough, it's going to break some stuff, but I mean, I thought it was pretty neat that it could do that.

Yeah, once again, I mean, I think it's about lowering cost. I mean, when you look at the heyday, I mean, Adele Jr. was attracting $30 million a year in sponsorship, and those numbers just aren't there. So the owners are still spending like it's there. And so I think it's an adjustment. And Bob just talked about the engine being less expensive. This could potentially make the car less expensive. So I think it's a costing.

New segment for the week, ask Bob. We will do a long answer and a one-word answer segment. The long-answer segment starts with Nate Ryan's question. Do you miss writing as much? Well, you know, I'm only writing pretty much once. a week for USA Today. So, yeah, I miss it a little bit, but I keep myself busy. I find things, the Fox keeps me busy. And trying to write the little scripts for that one minute is a lot harder than maybe I thought it was. Bob stays busy, guys. Are those your glasses?

Those are my glasses. I mean, I miss it a little bit at times when, you know, like I would say after qualifying at Fontana, where there was, you know, written a really good, interesting story and there really wasn't an outlet, but beyond that, not really. Not really. Look, I like to give people information. And I can reach a lot of people through my Twitter feed and through Fox. You mentioned this already before, but we can answer it for this person again. C. Vasenzo, maybe, asks, when your contract ended with ESPN, did you consider going the

Gluck route and being his own boss or was the Foxy a lot? lined up pretty quickly. Fox Deal wasn't lined up quickly, but I didn't consider going my own route very much. First of all, I think what Jeff Gluck does is going to be very unique, and we're going to have a whole lot more respect for him in 10 years when so many other people try it and don't do it. The advice I gave to Gluck when he asked me whether he should do it is I asked him if he could live with his mother-in-law. And he said, what's that mean? I said, well, if you fail, if you go broke, that would be the worst option, right? Living with your mother, you know, if you can do that, Not saying anything about his mother-in-law.

He seems about you will, guys. They're just saying that, hey, that, if, you know, of all the options, right? You know, so. Jeff will think that's funny. I'm just glad Casey didn't say gluk. Yeah, so, and plus, look, I'm, I'm 50. I don't, it's not really something I was looking to do. And I also like having bosses.

I like having a little bit of direction. No, my, don't like the mother-in-law? Well. Ball smother-law. Lewis Wagner asks, what is the best and worst part about being a reporter? I think they're the same is that you can impact a lot of people's lives. You know, you hope that people read it and either decide, hey, I really like the sport, I'm going to go watch it, or maybe it's something that you write something that makes them angry about the sport and they go do something else.

their free time and their money is discretionary money and discretionary income and discretionary time is important to people. So I think that is, it's a great thing, but there's also a huge responsibility with that, as well as the people that you write about. You know, you get to tell great stories about them, but you also sometimes tell stories that they don't want people to know. Yeah. And that'd be the hard part for me doing your job because you're like, man, I'm getting ready

to hit sin on something that's going to make this guy mad. And the thing is that you've probably contacted that. guy too or at least contacted somebody who knows that guy or somebody who hasn't touch and you know people know I go to the courthouse and take a look at that for things because that's where you find out some information and sometimes you find out stuff and you're like ooh yeah but you know you just try to be fair and you know and enroll with it is you this you know fans in my view you know need to understand what's going on in the sport and sometimes that um you know it's when you write something that you know it's going to impact somebody it's um

It's not always fun. Yeah. This one is from skyscraper tree one. Where do you see the NASCAR media landscape five years from now? That's a great question. I can't even tell you where the car industry is going to be five years from now, so I can't even tell you where NASCAR is going to be five years from now. I can't tell you where media is going to be five years from now,

but I think it continue right now advertisers love video. And I think as much video content that can be done and the people who can create original video content, much like folks here, are going to be the ones who dominate. I think Jason's going to be Kyle Busch's pool boy. Oh, my God. Fair. Yep. Five years. Maybe that even.

Five minutes. Next job, post-graduation. He's going to be Brexton. Bush's poolway in 25 years. Jason, Jason, can we record 1130? No, I got to put Brexon down. I'm babysitting.

This is the best show ever. He's going to cut all this out. I know he's better not because this is the best. Martin'sville Speedway's question. Your patience and answering fan questions is incredible. What is the wildest question you've ever gotten? What's the wildest question I've ever gotten? Are those your glasses?

No. I don't, I don't, I can't think of it. I don't know what the wild is. I will say the one question, I'll pivot this. The one question I don't understand is like at 8 in the morning when somebody asks, what lap is the competition caution? Like, you know, you got up and before you had breakfast, before you had your corn flakes, or before you put your glasses on and drove home, you want to know, you want to know what the competition caution was.

Why is it so important? Get a life. Like, what? Are you, your race strategy, you're not going to change. I mean, are you texting chat canals with ideas? Do you not watch before the competition caution? Do you set your snacks or your bowel movements by time of the competition caution? I understand if it's like an hour before the race and I haven't told you.

But six or seven hours before a race, I don't, I just don't get it, man. It's fine. Like, I'll answer the question, but I just. Now everyone's going to submit, hey, what's the competition is fun? That's kind of the most bizarre to me for some reason. I think people just hate competition cautions in general and just kind of want to know to be angry the rest of the dead morning. Oh, hilarious. These are one-word answer questions.

Loaf Skier asks. Does the Dirty Mo Media Studio have lights? Yes, many of them. H-2-Skear-Sik. Wow, these are some interesting tweets. If NASCAR never existed, what sport would you cover? Pro basketball. Wow.

Dev run DMC submitted. What social media platform do you find most effective for your profession? Twitter. Gene Cause asks, will you write a book one day with the insider stories or backgrounds in the sport that you are not able to reveal at the time? Doubtful. Mickey Deal 49 asks, what is the best and worst media center in the circuit? I can probably help you out with those. I mean.

Oh, this is the chance to get a good one, Bob. Hey, they'll renovate it if you say it. TJ and I have learned this. I'm trying to think of what you should say so that we can. Yeah, just pick the worst one. We got a whole new elevator in Kentucky, Bob. A whole new elevator. And it works.

The best, I would go with Daytona because it's big and it's very the proximity to the garage. Like, India is like night. Like, it's so spacious, but, you know, it's a long walk. to the garage, but it's so much better than the old one they used to have. The worst media center on the circuit. Used to be Phoenix. Oh, the Phoenix was the worst. Yeah, it was probably Watkins Glen, which was like a press box with all these old chairs.

Mid-Ohio isn't great either. That would probably, like, if you're going to include. We don't raise so crazy. Well, Mid-Ohio probably would be. So Mid-Ohio is getting an upgrade. Congratulations. I say Mid-Ohio-Media. I haven't been there in four or five years, so I don't.

I think we should give some credit to those who have the best food, like Bristol, always had cupcakes, always had cupcakes. We wouldn't know anything about that, Casey. We do. Yeah, enjoy it. All right, Casey, two more. We can't even get water on the roof. We guys are eating cup cake. Fur Love Cats asks, how many miles do you log in a normal race weekend walking around?

It's probably around 20, although last week was probably a little less. But hold on. I mean, you've got, yeah, but yesterday was 4.7, and Saturday. That's a small track at 4.7. Saturday was 6.6. Wow. So I walked around the track a lot. Dang.

I don't walk that much a week. Did you pass the double zero? Wow. Oh, last question. Apparently my sneakers won't last as long as a good year tire. Tush. Josh. Sea Goose asks domestic or imported beer.

Oh. Fat tire. What's that? That's made in Colorado, isn't it? Or is that? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's domestic. I think that's domestic. I think it's domestic craft beer.

There you go. Done. DBC picks for Texas. Go ahead, loser. Oh, man, I lost yesterday because of my two speeding penalties. We still drove back to seventh, though. We're going to Texas. I'm going to, you know what?

I'm going to follow Bob's lead. He's smarter than I am, and I'm going to pick Martin Truex Jr. solely off of the fact that he thinks Martin Truex Jr. is going to be good. So blame Bob, if you lose. No, I'm not blaming Bob. I'm actually cheating. So if he's going to go ahead and pick Martin, I still have Kyle left, so I'll go ahead and pick Kyle. We're doing it head to head here on DBC Picks.

Yeah. Fantasy tips, best driver at this track. Who would you say? Ah, man. This weekend, it would be hard for me to go. against the Pansky cars again. They're going to be, I feel like we're going to have good speed there.

Kyle's super good there. Yeah. Carl Edwards is going to be good. Yeah. Carl's Casey Kane, one of Casey Cain's better chance. Yeah. Mark Martin, he used to get around there. Yeah, Biffle was good there. Gordon.

Yeah. What about a surprise driver? Surprise driver? T.J. was on with Chris, I'm sure, last week. Where did Chris finish? He didn't finish very good. But he raced really well.

So, like, maybe that's, I don't know if he ran very good at all. Jason, that's like, yeah. I just thought. All right. Good job. Ryan Priest was my surprise, right? Was a surprise this week. You are lying.

You said that Ryan Priest was going to have a big wake-up call and he was going to get his ass kick. The guy finished like 16th. He did. I think that's good, but it's still a wake-up call. He also made a bet with one of his buddies. He was going to finish top 10 and he lost. He did.

He lost. But he bet on himself. Yeah. I mean, if you bet on yourself, you should be able to bet. 16th is a solid finish for a rookie there. 100%. But, I mean, we didn't tear any cards up yesterday. Usually by attrition, you know, you can end up with a top 20 at Martin'sville.

just by finishing. And that wasn't the case yesterday. Yeah. A lot of cars running at the end every week. Fantasy tips, a driver that we wouldn't necessarily expect to do well. I mean, honestly, maybe it's Jimmy Johnson. You wouldn't think you would say that. Right now.

But, I mean, let's face it, man. This guy has struggled for the past year and a half, and he's not the Jimmy Johnson of old. He's not driving like a seven-time champion. So maybe your fantasy tip of a non-top performer, non-top performer is a 48 car. You go with the three? Yeah.

I mean, the three was sick and had still had a really good run at Fontana. Yes. I think my, I wouldn't be afraid of Hemrick and I wouldn't be afraid of the 95. Yeah. The 8 and 95. They get track position. If the 8 has a good qualifying run and keeps track position all day, he should finish good. And they're fast and qualifying.

I think the 95, and this is going to be a harder place to pass too. What are we going to do in qualifying, T.J. That rule is apparently coming out today. We're going to go as fast as we can and see if you get the pole. Yeah, but we're hearing some things. things are going to change with. They're tweaking it, right? Yeah, I mean, I don't think we're going to have, I guess, maybe when you leave your stall, you keep rolling.

That way we don't have the big jam at the end of pit road. Monitor the pit road speed still. The first guy off pit road is still at a disadvantage, and everybody behind him, their run is going to be aided. That's still going to happen no matter what will they come out with, because we know they're standing firm on the multi-car qualifying. I'm more wondering, what are they doing to the track? Did they drag it? I don't know. I don't think they're doing anything.

They didn't? Okay, that's going to be good. Texas says you're in the corner a lot at Texas. The corners are a lot bigger than some of the mile and a half tracks. So it's going to be interesting to see what that means for this package because it's going to race differently than Vegas did. The corners are a lot more sweeping. You spend more time in the corner there than most mile and a halfs.

Producer Jason's movie review. I watched Dirty Dancing this weekend, the 1987 summer blockbuster romantic drama where France's nickname Baby Vacations. at a mountain resort with her family. Her sweet, innocent personality is challenged as she develops fueling for the camp dance instructor Johnny. She fills in as Johnny's dance partner where he teaches her the moves

and they grow closer and fall in love. Despite her father's opposition to the relationship, Baby and Johnny persevere and performing final dance of the summer together to Brett's favorite song The Time of My Life. It was a great film. I really enjoyed it. The favorite scene was when Baby finds

the dance club for workers that offered a much different experience than the resort guest gods in the dance. How did your Uh, female, uh, Cowbush

Blow Up Doll? Yeah. That's, that's, that's, that's, did you watch it with Kyle?

He was a little busy this weekend. He was in Martin'sville. Didn't get in the pool and try the little move there. This was actually my favorite one of the ones I've had to watch so far.

Damn right, because I picked it. This is mine. Actually, I said it too. I said it first. There's nothing wrong. All right. He's watched,

uh, what do he watched? Porkies. Okay. Well, what are the requirements? Does it have to be an 80s movie? Oh. Have you guys done any Kevin Smith movies?

No. I mean, like, you know, clerks or chasing Amy or dogma. Clerks, clerks, done. You think clerks? All right. Next week. We're going to Texas. We're going to Texas.

We need to watch Urban Cowboy. Urban Cowboy. Can we do Clerks after? And then Clerks the next week. Deal. Urban Cowboy has got to be watched. Yeah. You know.

But he did. Sissy. Nobody puts baby in a car. We'll put Jason in a booth. All right, guys. Well, thank you so much, Bob, for. Joining us, you are welcome anytime since you always stick up for me. Did you have the time of your life?

No, I. Tweet Bob, telling me enjoyed him being on here. Maybe he'll come again. Do you sing any songs to yourself when you're driving? Is this one of them? No, no, it'd be... No, I'm not. I'm like old school, like, I'm like violent fans, Depeche Mode kind of music.

Yeah. Yeah, like the Lester and the sun and all that kind of stuff. Oh, this is. All right. You know. Well, thanks for having. Yeah. Thanks for having us.

Thanks for having us. Yeah. Thanks for having us. Let me join you and tell stories that I probably shouldn't have told. That was a point. My whole goal is just to be like T.J. and not get fired. The whole goal.

Yeah. Don't say anything that I'll get you fired. Yeah. I think I accomplished that, right? You did. Absolutely. You're safe. I hope people ask you this weekend.

If those are your glasses. That's it. Bob, are those your glasses? Bob, those are your glasses? If I see you doing an interviewer, walking, I'm going to take a picture of you and tweet it. Bob, are those your glasses? I might even Photoshop your neck a little bit. Well, thanks for coming on, man.

We appreciate it. Thank you. All right. Well, thanks for listening, everyone. Have a great week. We're out. Hala. Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.

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