Door Bumper Clear - 139 - Win At All Costs

Episode Date: June 12, 2019

Michigan winning spotter TJ Majors, Brett Griffin, Hannah Newhouse and Jason Schultz cover Joey Logano’s dominant win, 5 p.m. start time, jumping the final restart, Greg Biffle’s truck victory, Hailie Deegan’s move and new partner Pristine Auction.  Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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I'm Hannah Neuhaus stepping in for Casey both this week. We have a race winner in studio who showed up fashionably late, might I add. Is that part of the winners deal? Not late for your own show. Hey, yeah, but TJ will share all about Joey Lagano's big Michigan victory. Plus, he and Brett will cover the 5 p.m. Monday start, the controversial final restart, Greg Biffle's truck victory, Haley Diggins moved to the win, and our new partner, pristine auction.com, and much more.

Here we go. T.J. Majors, this is Brent Griffin. Get ready. Be ready. Be ready. Give me what you got here. New leader. I'll watch out for this guy. White flag.

Red and I'll blow. Hello. Clear. Bring home. Free light. Coming to the line. Door. Bumper.

Clear. Woo! Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Major. Spider of the 22 Cup car. It's a nice little audio. He loves that. If you mean, I'll play it. The winning 22 cup car.

I'd have said that. The winning car. Hyped this up, man. This is our, this is our show. Feature winner. Brett Griffin, Spotter, Clint Boyer. That's all I did all weekend. And we wrecked early. I wasn't very good at that, obviously. So we got a special, you're almost like our full-time co-host now. I'm starting to become a regular, yeah. I mean, I'm not mad about it. We're going to double your pay from last time you were here. Oh, thank you. Between as many shows is your presence. Between as many shows is Brett's missed and the Casey's missed, you guys are, you and Freddie are almost. full-time. Yeah, we're like the full-time filling. And this is backwards from last year because I missed a few shows last year. A few hundred.

And I've made, well, you've missed a lot this year. Some people have day jobs. I forgot. Babysitting is a day job. You just don't, you don't get rewarded with a paycheck. Yeah. You get diapers and... Dominant win there, super spotter.

How many times do you have to actually work during that 400-mile race? Honestly, you worked harder. You worked harder in that race no matter where. where you were. Whether you're leading, you don't want to get back there. You don't want to be any further back than the lead, obviously. So you're going to do everything you can to protect the lead. So you want us to always have soccer games delay our start.

That's the pattern you want to see between now and the end of the World Cup for women. I seem to have a good record when we rain delay things. Even with, yeah, I mean, sure. You're like the biggest women's soccer fan right now. Well, it's yesterday when they scored all the goals. 13 to nothing they won. So that wasn't before our race, though, was it? No, no.

We were watching two countries that I'd never heard of before our race. Yeah. Now, Canada played as well. I have heard of Canada. But some of them other territories. Yeah. Man, I wouldn't have enough people for a soccer team. I'd be up trying to find it on the map.

Yeah. It was spinning the globe. That may have been the weirdest schedule I've ever been involved with at a racetrack. As far as, like, Sunday night when they call. it to just waking up Monday morning and it's just you're off. You sit around most of the day. You go eat lunch somewhere and you head on into the track and you're still sitting around. I've never had Chinese food on the day of a cup race and I'll never have Chinese food on the day of a cup race again. Not because it did anything to my stomach because we wrecked. I mean, I'm not super superstitious,

but I'm superstitious of the stuff that sweet and sour chicken will not be on my race day menu again. Wow, you're brave anyway. Why, sweet sour chicken's good. You're brave anyway for eating that on race day. Freddie ordered some short rib thing. It was disgusting. It had red shit all over it. Like, you, ugh.

I don't know what he was eating. You guys are both brave. I tasted it. Although I did go to a restaurant that's similar to that, that I've never been to before. It's in Ann Arbor. It was called BDs. Yeah, at a Mongolian place. Yeah, I didn't know you, like go pick your own.

It's like a noodle bar with a whole bunch of them. Oh, and they do it on the skillet thingy in front of you and they like spin it around with the stick. Those are good. That's actually what Mongolian barbecue stands for is when you pick out what. you want in it and then they cook it. I had no idea. I thought Mongolian was... Where have y'all been? Idaho. Not to Mongolia. Not in Mongolia. Well, you got to travel there more often. They got one. It was good. I mean, I go back.

It is good. Yeah. But no, you know... They actually had one here. They started one with here. Berkdale. Where Ease is that now? It was a Mongolian place on time? Ease was a Mongolian place. Nice. Is that a Tesla hat? That's a telluride hat. What's that? A place you ski in Colorado. Oh. All right. It's not near Mongolia. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, I worked really hard Monday. You did not work hard, dude.

I did actually work really hard. There were four people that didn't work hard. Whoever was driving those three black cars that kept getting lapped every four minutes, that, by the way, made it super interesting the first time he was called them. No, it was not interesting. And that's the only time you probably worked the whole race and then you. So it was those three guys and you were chilling on it. You didn't work too hard?

Oh, yeah. You were out. I worked hard for two thirds of the race. So I'm watching this thing go down, and I'm watching the leader catch the lap cars. and there's three lap cards in Rohan, and they're lined up, right? And they both, they can't choose the same lane. The first one goes high. Guess what the one in front of that one does, who I think was Garrett Smithley,

who I'm a big fan of that guy. I love him to death. He is the second lap car. What does he do? He tries to pass a lap car in front of him, so now they're too wide for dead-ass last. Now, T.J., here comes a leader going to pass them, and I'm like, hey, Garrett, have you ever watched TV and heard us make fun of people on Doorbubber Clear on our podcast?

Because that's what we're going to do now. Yeah, I mean, you, you don't catch cars like this, that quick anymore. Like, it takes 30 laps to catch lap. They see us coming. I know, but like what I'm saying is in 30 laps, if you haven't decided by then who can lead when the leaders come by at that point. I mean, it's even funny that they weren't, it wasn't even that. He literally tried to pass the guy. That's the thing.

When you called him. That's what I'm saying. Like, you have 30 laps or more sometimes to figure that guy. To figure this stuff out or just wait a lap because we come up there. And you're not that they're not racing for anything. They are for sure. But I mean, still, you're like... I'm not being a dick right now.

It only takes us to crack the throttle for one second, and that guy behind you's probably going to pass you at that point. Amarola passed you coming out of four because of that. They got to run on us. We were able to pin him up behind a lap car, and the 88 came up behind us because he didn't have to live for any lap. If Gary Smithley doesn't pass that guy for dead last, as you called him, that never happens.

It never happens for sure. But, you know... And look, I mean, they are racing. I'm not saying that. do have racing etiquette and you do have moments where you have, we all have brainfarts. Spotters have brainfarts. Leaders are half straight away back. I promise you, Garrett Smithley at that moment in time had a brain fart.

Yeah, you don't want to be that. Personally, if I'm in a lower car like that and you know the leaders are coming, I don't want to be the car that gets in the way and everyone's like, oh. Was that his first cup race? No, he's ran a couple, I think. Well, he's had a lot of experience, even there. I'm not saying to have experience. I'm just asking, was it his first cup race? No, I don't think so.

Yeah. Okay. So that's good. So that even tells me even more so. You don't want to be that guy. You don't want to be. You don't want that to be the story. Oh, Garrett Smithley did this.

The leaders, they're all involved in it because you could have been involved in a wreck because of the move that he made. If I'm, if I'm that guy, my spotter, I'm a spotter. Hey, leaders are half straight away back. All right, where are they running? They're running a lane up in the corner. Ten back. I'm just getting on the line and stay down here.

If I'm spotting for Garrett Smithley right then, I say if you ever do this again, you find a spotter. Because you look like an idiot. Yeah. I look like an idiot. people up here screaming at me. That's a big deal. That's a problem. Yeah, I don't want to be that guy, but, you know, but still, it was, what a weird,

what a kind of weird package. It was like a, it was like a slow plate race. I was in the infield, and that's what it looked like. When y'all were in front of us, like going past us, with the two and the three wide and everyone all bunched, it looked like a plate race, but it was confusing because it was Michigan, just how everyone was running. So the guy would get a push off of turn two, and when he would get to the three-quarter mark of three and four that's when he was going to get to you and if the guy pushed him away far enough he couldn't do anything with you because it would kind of push you away like a plate race but if the guy could stay with him if the guy behind him could catch him at the right spot if he would get to him off

three and four he'd run a lane higher than him and get a run off three and four and they would stay together on their front stretch they could get enough of a run to get beside you but it wasn't going to be the preferred line they probably wanted for the corner but they could like you could get runs and pushes like that. You needed, like if Kurt and the 19 got racing at the end, they weren't to be able to get to us. But when Kurt got to him, Kurt knew that if he stayed in line, he could push him back to us. And it went from one-tenth to two-tenths to three-tenths faster a lap than us. So I know, I know it can work, but you got to have people that stay with each other and will help each other. And Kurt had figured that out. So it made me a little nervous.

I'll say the guys who built that 22 car deserve a huge round of a pause. Obviously, Joy did a good job. driving it. TJ did a good job spot and the crew chief did a good job calling the race. But that was the fastest car we've seen in this package and maybe ever in this particular package at a downforce track. But I got to give a shout out to Kyle Larson because he was the first guy to get his two right side tires in three and four out of the black and into the gray. And by the end of the thing, by the end of probably the second stage, he was all four tires in the gray and out of the black trying to figure out how to make something happen to get that run on TJ and enjoy and be able to take them and overtake him in the lead. But I got to ask you,

like once Kyle got the lead when it went into one, I had already been wrecked. Did you guys knock him out of the way because I saw Twitter kind of explode with his fans being mad at you guys? We slid up behind him. We actually had a big run coming and he slammed the door on us out of four. Like we hit him with it. It was so close. And Joey was able to stay right with him. After he hit him, he stayed right. Like, you know, I don't blame Kyle for, coming up. I would have too. You just want you want the push because I got him to the lead for a second but Joey was able to stay with him and we had such a good run that he just followed Kyle down in the corner and I don't I don't think there was contact with us. I think Joey just followed him.

I mean he was I think people were loose in. We were loose in so we were uh... Clint was really loose too. So he was screaming loose in all that. I don't think you can get a guy loose from the center off once they get it once they get it turned. I don't think you can get a guy loose that easy being on their bumper. But I think if you're you fall when they were within a car line there was jolly was loose in right so i think following kyle in there i think he went to turn the wheel and he couldn't he was loose so he had to catch it real quick and we shot underneath him because if we hit him we lose momentum at that point i think yeah he chased it up the racetrack and we shot by really quick so i think we just got him really i think

he was loose and we magnified it i honestly thought there were three points that were interesting we talked about lap cars we talked about larsson running out of the black the third one for me was harvick because i felt like watching him work the race and the penalties and the problems and whatever else he had going on. I felt like he was going to be the guy to challenge you. And when he got the lead, I really thought, okay, now we're going to see if he can do what Joy's been doing all day and he couldn't. You drove back by him.

How did you make that happen? Because I didn't see that either. I was in and out at that point of watching. We got him with Larson. We got them both in the same corner. Oh, wow. We pushed Larson by, and we were passing him as well. We followed Kyle in the corner, and then Kyle got loose and slid up and he took the air off

the four. Okay. So that's how we got both of them. The only other, we passed the 11 for the league. lead. I think we passed the four for lead as well. The 11 had his hands full, man. Yeah, after he lost. Holy cow. After he lost a lead. He went from first like 20th. Yeah, he had his hands for after that. Big time. I mean, I thought, I heard, so when I left, I walked across the front stretch and I was leaving with some PR reps that parked on the front side. And I was listening to

fans walk out as they were talking and they seemed to enjoy the race. The people that were there. Yeah. The people that were there. That was super confusing on social media is people either loved it and it was a great race or they hated it. Like, I feel like there was just a really weird tear down the middle. I think a, I think, I think a lot of social media gets mad at who wins as well. Yeah, I agree. I think they're biased on who wins. As a spotter, not leading every freaking lap like TJ got to, if I'd have been TJ,

I'd have loved it, but I wasn't. As a spotter, I love the restarts. Yeah. And after anywhere from three to seven laps, depending upon where you were in the old running order, very, very frustrating race to actually race. You know what I mean? Like, it was, once it got single file, it was very, It was easier to pass two cars than it was one car.

So if you would catch a pack of two, right, you would get the draft up on them and you could pass two cars and clear two cars. So basically you'd go from behind two guys to you make it three wide to you clear them both to you're driving away versus if you caught one car, extremely difficult to pass that one car. Yeah, I don't, it's definitely more, and we knew of this package it was going to take away. Kyle said it when they tested Vegas in the off season that it's just different. It's going to be more strategic racing. Like you're not going to be able to, your car is better, but you're not going to run up there and just pass me. You've got to wait and be patient and let the other guys,

you've got to be strategic about it. Let the other guy make the mistake and then pounce. You know what I mean? Like you couldn't. The majority of people all day had to have help to do anything. Oh, you had to have help most of the time. I don't think TJ was in the boat as much as some of us were. But you really had to have help.

We were in sixth once. I was as high as fourth once. I mean I started the race like fifth right I came off turn four like 15th yeah you got a bottom line awesome yeah you don't want to be down there I mean I did you ever have to restart on the bottom um no

no because we we cycle back to the lead we led then we cycled to the lead so yeah yeah the only end it was a stage break tough race for you man I felt sorry for you yeah all that work you were putting in we got a lot of bottom row restarts at all the other tracks so I don't feel too bad about it Good for you, man.

You guys, like I text you, a dominant win. I've never, I don't think I've been a part of that dominating of a win. Certainly led a ton of laps at races on one, but that might have been the most dominant win ever been a part of it. We've not seen that dominant of a win, in my opinion since Del Jarrett won at Michigan in like 2000, 2001. That was caution free, wasn't it? Yeah.

Yeah. Took it to their ass. Yeah. I mean, we've dominated plate races before, but not at a track like this, like a mile and a half or smaller. TJ, did you get that text from Mike Davis this week? About we've got a new partner. I did. Yeah.

What do he say? I mean, I know he said we've got pristine auctions on board. Did he say what we're doing with those guys? I don't know. I bet producer Jason knows. Here's the coolest part about this whole thing, though. I remember listening to the Dell Jr. download, and these guys were on the Dell Jr. download, and they've left his show.

I know. That's actually kind of cool. And they're on our show. What a bunch of losers over there. I know. Once again, we knew we had the best podcast, and really all in NASCAR, if we're going to be honest with each other. You know, it's nice that somebody listens to someone else and sees the light. Yeah. Instead of just being, you know, oh, the Delgroom Download.

Yeah, we're in. So, Pristine Auction, welcome to the coolest podcast, the most honest podcast we've been labeled by Jeff Gluck and all of motorsports. That's good and bad. You guys are pretty honest. Hala. Now, Jason, tell us what this pristine auctions means, please, so I can promote them even better. So everyone knows how we have this big empty table. I like to tweet us about it all the time.

And on the Dale Jr. Download, they have all the die casts laid out and stuff. But they're not cool enough to share with us. So we get to completely get rid of all of them before our show. So pristineauction.com is going to help us get gear and be able to fill the table. So people stop tweeting us about how empty it always looks. So each show we're going to do a live auction through pristineauction.com during the show and bid on different items we want as merchandise, different memorabilia, all that kind of stuff. Man, that's cool.

Didn't Mike already buy something? Yeah, so he wanted to buy something very unique to door bumper clear. So we've got us a 11 by 14 Simpsons photo signed by Cheech Mark. He has no idea who we're talking about. You don't know who Cheech and Chong is? Cheech and Morin and Tommy Chong? Oh, my gosh. Hannah, have you heard of Cheech and Chong?

Yes, I know who Cheech and Chong is. Okay. Wasn't one of them on that. So when this says Simpsons photo, is it The Simpsons, like the cartoon? Yes, the Simpsons photo, like the actual, I guess. Because that's not Simpsons. That's The Simpsons. So the cartoon show, we have now assigned a picture by Cheech and Chong.

Yeah. So they obviously were on that show at some point. Yeah, looks like they made a guest appearance and then they signed this photo. Bart Simpson is funny. Cheech and Chong are high. Yeah. He doesn't know who Cheech and Chong are, though. Hey, man.

You want to win this pristine auctions.com. You're going to eat the... You need a hot dog. No, man. You're some Doritos. So that'll be the first item we get on the table, but we'll start bidding. on stuff each week following that. I was going to bid on pristine auction, but I got high.

I'm looking forward to getting some of this stuff, man. I was going to win the Simpson's photo, but I got high. Fis Cheech and Chong. Jason doesn't even know who they are. No, he has no idea. And he never will. I took a 1970s class this past semester, and we talked about it at one point. What did he say 1970s?

Well, what? What did they say about? I just remember there was some movie they were in, and we talked about that. They talked about 9-Chong. Yeah. They talked about 1970s. Maybe. That's the best year. That's what I was born, Hala. TJ, let me guess you're going to bid on something from the Green Bay Packers?

Absolutely. Let's go with that. He is the biggest bandwagoner. Oh, I've always liked the Patriots. I've always liked them. Never been up there, but I've liked them. They've got plenty of Patriots gear on Pristine Auction. I want something from Timmy Hill or Ryan Newman. That's my first two guys. Does Timmy Hill have stuff on Pristine Auction? Dillner's looking up right now. Let's see if Timmy Hill has any.

If he doesn't, we're going to find Timmy Hill. And if Timmy does it, I want something Ryan Newman. No results. No results. It doesn't mean we can't find something and put it on there. Yeah, he could sign for them. Yeah. A lot of the drivers sign for them, which is awesome.

If somebody will get us a Timmy Hill autographed item, we will get it on this website, and I will personally buy it or try it. There you go. We can also. There's a poster Dillner found with 34 cup driver signatures. It's like the Goodyear poster. That's pretty awesome. Jason, do you have a Winston poster in your room?

The what? The Winston poster? What's Winston? You know, like, the All-Star Race, you know, the Winston? You know when all the All-Star guys are running, like Tim Richmond and stuff? Tim who? I don't think he was ever in a Winston photo, was he? Yeah, were you ever in one?

Was I personally in one? No. He has. Zero idea we are discussing. All right, Dylner's shown me. Wouldn't you have hate for that to bend your shoulder in that photo? Yeah. Like, I wouldn't have minded being Tim Rie.

Richmond, right? Like, I mean, I've said I don't want to be Tim Richmond overall. But, but, I mean, let me just say, like, right. So if I, if I'm in this photo with Tim Richmond and what he put on that guy's shoulder is my shoulder, when I see this picture come out, I'm going to knock his ass out. I went to a restaurant. So I can't even think what restaurant it was, but it was all NASCAR memorabilia, and they have one of those posters. Yes. And someone had pointed it out to me, and I didn't even know that was a thing until I can't remember what restaurant is. Could you imagine that being your ear or your shoulder? No, I'm good. Thank you. I would be pissed.

No, I don't think. Is it in Lancasters? Yeah? They have one, too. It was somewhere. I was in Virginia or something. All right. Enough about that.

Our hardcore fans are going to know what we're talking about. Yes. Are we moving on to spot on spot off? We better. All right. But thanks for pristine auction. We're looking forward to working with you and getting stuff for the table. Yeah, getting stuff for the table.

Spot on spot off. You spot off. You don't like it. Spot off. You don't like it. You don't like it. All right. First topic here.

spot on, spot off. We kind of talked about it actually a little bit earlier, but that 5 p.m. start time postponed for the cup race on Monday. T.J., you can start. Spot on. I thought the crowd was actually pretty good for a 5 o'clock on Monday. And I guess compared to the last Monday race that we had, which was Dover, it was roughly a 90% increase in viewers.

Did you see that? I did. I'm actually all for a primetime-ish start. Which we've talked about before. We have. We alluded to that. Five o'clock is not yet. Five o'clock's way early. I mean, honestly, we had enough daylight there in Michigan. We could easily roll this off at 615 and been able to run the whole race, give people an opportunity to get off work. I was happy that the people who had to work had an opportunity to get home and watch it. I think that's why we saw the spike in ratings. But, I mean, let's be honest here. We were going into an off weekend, which logistically helps all the teams. But we were put at five o'clock so that women's soccer could go on at one o'clock and then at three o'clock. So, I mean, it was almost by. default that five was our time. But at the point that you realize it's rained out, we're going to move the race.

Five o'clock to me is a spot off time, as is 12 noon on Monday, as is 1 p.m. on Monday. I mean, Monday races are never going to be ideal unless we're in prime time. It's just the way I feel about it. Any way there is. It's not going to be any better at 11 on Tuesday. We need to run as late as possible for, you know, the people to get home from work or be able to, you know, come back out if they want to, to me running it as late as possible on a weeknight, which I think we're going to see in the future.

I think we're going to see more of it down the road, you know, but I thought it was good. I was glad to try it out, and obviously I love the outcome. Yeah, the weather was actually a little chilly at first, but I was like you said, I was really surprised to see how many fans came back. I mean, the stands were relatively full considering it was a Monday race. It was a little chilly. I mean, it was the fan attendance was awesome considering.

Chili is a good thing for this package. If the sun's out and it's hot when we go back there and two, months, it's not going to race like it raced a few days ago. It's going to be a different Michigan, as are every track when the track conditions change. But with this package, what we were hoping for, we kind of, in my opinion, 40% got during this race. If it's hot, I don't know that that happens. So be curious to see what happens in the summer. And I hope that T.J. brings a different car. You actually alluded to the next spot-on spot off there. The current racing product with the current arrow package at Michigan. We'll let you re-elaborate on that. Again, again,

I think the conditions were awesome. The overall race itself, I'll give a spot on just because the restarts were very entertaining. I think they were the difference in fans liking this race because we had enough. Look, we had a competition caution, right, at lap 20. So we never really had more than one long, you know, green flag run, which was to end stage two. And there were still cars that didn't have to pit there. Twelve of us had to pit to end stage two. Outside of that, like the way the cautions fell, we pretty much had restarts to keep everybody

entertained, which I think is the same thing that happened at Charlotte, right? With the Coke 600, it was a night race, which is a good thing again for this package. We had enough blown tires by Gibbs and enough restarts to keep everybody entertained. And so I think, you know, with the right conditions, this package is spot on. I think Michigan got lucky with that one. Yeah, I'm still, I think the package needs a little more work still, but I'm spot on that nobody drove away. And when they got lined up, people could get lined up. And you had, at one point, there was 12 cars in a single file line that were just waiting for somebody to make a move, kind of like a, kind of how like a plate race would form a little bit.

But you couldn't get away. Like you couldn't, we had a 15 car length lead one time. And like I told you earlier, I was sitting there watching, I mean, we're breaking the draft on the straightaway, we're doing everything you can do. And it went from one tenth to two tents faster back there to three tenths. And then almost four at some points. And I'm like, look, they're coming, man. But you got to fend off that first run.

If you don't, if they don't make their, you know, that's their best opportunity. when they first got there, but I liked how no one could get away and I was like, okay, who's going to make the mistake? Who's going to go for it? And we were still fighting handling conditions. Like, we were loose in. So, you know, and Joey had a, I know it probably didn't show on TV or anything, but Joey had probably five or six good saves into one that he couldn't. We had a hard time turning to the bottom on entry of one. And he had a, he had a couple good saves when he tried. So, I mean, I think it needs a little more work, but we didn't have somebody driving away like when Del Juret won, you know, with a caution free race with like

three cars on the lead lap. That would have, if that happened, oh my gosh. NASCAR said they wanted this package to have the cars run closer together. And they did, yeah. Guess what? They didn't say we want guys running three wide. They didn't say we want them side by side. They didn't say we want to see a lot of passing. What I remember over the winter was we want to see the cars run closer together and we want this, we're in the show business. So one thing I notice is Michigan is slowly widening out. It's wider now than I've ever seen it. I think because we slowed down though too, don't you? Yeah, probably a little bit. We're not doing 210. We're going 180. No, but that's good that we're using more racetrack because that's... 100%. Like, that's just

going to get better over time. Even with this package, if we, you know, in a few years, if we're even similar to this package, we're going to be even higher than we are now. You're going to have guys run on the bottom. You're going to guys moving up. As weird as their weather is, I'm really surprised this racetrack being repaved years ago hasn't done that sooner. I'm really surprised that bottom lane has just been so good for so long. I mean, weather helps create bumps and helps create lack of grip. And, I mean, to TJ's point, for whatever reason, Michigan's been slow to do that. Maybe they should salt it and plow it like a road.

Yeah. You know, like when it snows, pretend it's a highway. Go out there and put some salt and plow it off. That's what I'm saying. Whoever treats them roads, send them to the race track. We get some character in that track. Oh, boy. There was a lot of emotion and a lot of opinions after Michigan,

in Clemble, we're including one of those, saying that this is not racing after Michigan. I think where Clint's frustration came, having flown home beside of him, was the old Michigan, and look, I mean, T.J. just a few minutes ago, said, Kyle Bush said it's going to race different, right? The old Michigan, if you got a runoff turn four, you made a move to the bottom on the front stretch.

The car behind you would carry that same momentum and follow you in the front, on the front stretched, on the bottom lane, and both of you would eventually clear that slow, a car up top. Now the car behind you is scared to leave the top because we're being trained, our brains are, that the top is eventually going to prevail. So when you catch somebody, you have to be super patient and wait for them to screw up or wait for an opportunity to get to their right rear. And I think Clint's not used to, and I think he even made this statement,

being penalized for trying to pass a car. A prime example is on one of the restarts, we dove to the bottom of three and four, we were within probably a foot of getting clear. Well, we didn't, and we got passed by five or six cars. And when you go back off into one, you couldn't just drive it in deeper and beat them back to the gas because it was more about momentum than stopping to make the corner, rolling the center, and hammering the throttle on exits. So we're just seeing these things race more and more like trucks, in my opinion. And I think that Clint hasn't been in a truck race in a long time versus a Kyle Busch. And I think that's why some of those guys that are more recent to the trucks were better at it. I'm kind of, I mean, I'm spot off against, because it's

racing. It's just different. It's different than what he's used to, what he's growing up racing. What we've been doing for years is it's evolving into something else now. And I don't, I don't know if we'll ever get back to what, I don't know if we'll ever get back to how it used to be. Because then the cars are going to be spread out more. You're going to have guys that are really good, they're going to drive off and they're going to be hard to beat. You know, it's, I don't know if we'll ever get back to that. But there's still. you just got to race differently. You've got to program your mind differently.

You've got to be patient at times. You've got to be defensive at times. You've got to be, I don't know, it's just different. It's just a different type. Now, I'll let you start with this one here. Martin Truex Jr. and Kurt Bush said that Joey Lugano jumped the final restart. I'm spot off.

I mean, I didn't see it. Like, I'm watching it, and he does the green by himself when he wants to go. He judges it, you know, how he wants. you know, I don't, we've gotten great restarts all day. We beat, that's not the first restart. We beat the guy to the start, finish, or we were clear by start finish line. He had a really good idea, and I think our car was set up to take off on restarts really good, and it did. So it wasn't surprised to me that, you know, he was able, that we cleared him that quick.

I don't know. I mean, those guys roll up there, and there's no line across the racetrack, which might, you know, there's no line across the track, so you're going off a mark on the wall. up here. So, you know, if you go five, 10 feet earlier, are you really jumping it at that point? Because you can't sometimes, you don't know where there. There's no line on the track. Right. So you're judging it off of, in a Michigan, you're not up against the wall when you start, are you? You're middle of the racetrack, roughly. So, I don't know. I mean, it, there, whatever.

There was a restart. I remember where you went really, really late. If you didn't know where the first line was, how did he know where the second line was? Maybe we went too late. Maybe. The restart that I, saw that Martin Truex, first of all, Martin Truex is probably still not a big fan of Joy Ligano, right? So with his comment, you have to think it's biased. But if you watch the fan replay that Jason Schultz showed me earlier, it looks like Ligano leaves probably the best guy in the business that restarts Kyle Bush, he leaves Martin Truex. And it looked like to me is about two car links before he got to those two invisible lines on the bottom of the apron.

So, man, I don't know. I'd have to see a lot more. The TV replay is such a tight head-on shot. You can't make a decision based on what I saw. But Jason had a fan video that it takes a hundred times to watch it because it's hard to figure it all out the way the camera's moving, right? It's some fan with a cell phone. But it sure looked like he left before. But NASCAR doesn't necessarily have that footage to put under review, right? They got a million cameras up there, but we don't know where their cameras are and what they're looking at. The main camera angle certainly wouldn't have shown that. We got something wrecking somewhere. Yeah. Well, I mean, You know, if you're going to, if something's blatantly obvious, like two carlings earlier or something like that,

it's no different than guys getting to the end of the restart box and slowly slowing down. Kyle Busch, every time he's behind me coming on pit road, is inside of me. It is against the rules to be too wide at the pit entry line. And every time we have, we have every time the pit opens, I mean, go back and watch this race. There's a time when he's behind me and he is literally at my A post, almost door to door with me. I mean, that's worth a lot. It is. It's worth a lot.

And he's doing it every time we hit pit roads. So it drives me bananas that, I mean, I mean, it's either a call or not a call, right? And our thing is, we have live officiating, but the majority of it now

is done via monitors. So it's all pretty much trackable. You know what I'm saying? Like you said, if I went back and watched that video a bunch of times, I might see it too. It would take you a bunch.

And when you're doing it live without going back and, okay, wait, Okay, he's three feet early right here. I mean, everything's moving right then. There's a lot of moving parts. There's a guy on the inside trying to get you just right so he can take off and get you good jump. Joey put NASCAR in a really hard spot, right?

Joey Lugano has already won a race. He already has the points. He's going for a win. He puts them in a really hard spot to potentially have to interfere with a race at the point that they don't. If this is the end of the first stage and we're doing a two-lap thing, maybe they jump in the middle of this thing. He put NASCAR in a corner. Look, they've got data. up there. They know when he accelerated, right?

So it just, I don't know, I mean, it's a perfect storm. Again, Joy dominated the race. The best car doesn't always win. It did on Sunday in Michigan. And, I mean, I have nothing by hats off for the effort that everybody there did. I mean, it truly is always amazing to see somebody dominate something. I think if, you know, if you're going to start looking at things there are quite, like, to me, there's, if you're within a half crawling to the restart zone or something,

I mean, how do you call that without going back and making, a hard line like this is it right here. I hate all that restart crap. The only restart thing that I worry about is the initial start that you cannot be deleted to the start finish line. For no reason. For no reason at all. And he's got to go off the green.

And he's got to go off the green. I'll be honest with you. If I ran NASCAR, this would be my first rule change. The flag stand is going to throw the green whenever the hell they want to throw it. And once they throw it, you can go wherever the hell you want to go. If you want to go in the grass, like we have to stay two by two until start finish. We have you can't lay back. You can't do this.

T.J. and I are having to reiterate these rules every time we come to the green. I would say, go with the green, good luck. I like passing to the right. I like the passing on the right thing. Well, it wasn't when it was single file, but if you're on the bottom, you can't necessarily shoot the middle. But the middle opens up a lot. Some, but that's because it can. Yeah.

Like, it's just, it's a lot for us to manage. I think if you open up both sides, it's going to be bad. We're in show business. Yeah, that's going to be. Yeah, they're going to be in sheet metal business or a composite body business. All right, last topic here on spot on, spot off. Ross Chastain switches his points from Xfinity to truck, therefore he forfeits all the truck points thus far in the season.

Xfinity points. No, truck, he forfeits that too, so he starts from scratch after this past weekend. Well, yeah, that's what I mean. Like that Kansas wind doesn't count. Right. Yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry. Super ballsy move, right?

But you got to look at it as this guy, he's, is signed up for Xfinity points, which means he's trying to make the Xfinity playoff. With the way that the car runs that he typically drives, his only real shot to make the playoff is Daytona. So if he wins Daytona, he's in the Xfinity playoff. Otherwise, he's not going to get enough points to get in the top 12. And it's going to be really hard to win Daytona, right? If he looks at it and says, man, I'm going to switch. Well, he has eight opportunities in that truck to go win.

He even was in kind of a position to win in Texas over the weekend until he pitted under green and the yellow came out. So I think if having talked to Ross about this, he has a one and eight chance of making the Xfinity. I'm sorry, a one and eight chance of making the truck playoff, only a one out of one chance of making Xfinity playoff. He wants to race for a championship. He's already won a race in that truck. He's confident with those niece guys. I think he makes the right call spot on. Yeah, I don't.

Even if he wins Daytona in the Xenia race, what are you going to win after that? you're probably getting eliminated first round if you stay in the fork card. Yeah, but in the truck, his presence is, you see him in the top five weekly now, pretty much. So I think it's the right switch for him to do. Maybe I don't know if he thought at the beginning of the year he was going to be that competitive in that truck, which I didn't think he'd be that competitive in that truck, honestly. I didn't think they win a race. I can tell you that.

So to win a race, and then I think he's making the right call here to be competitive. Yeah. I mean, I don't think, I don't know this for a fact, but I think they set up this year how they did with Gannasi last year because he locked himself in with the Gannasi win and then he had the races with the collard car. So I'm wondering if that was going to be like his hope to win in the collard car and then be able to compete in the four car and he hasn't and didn't. And then won the truck race and was like, okay, overall our truck program is just more competitive because I don't think he has a collig race left, does he? He does. He's got Chicago coming up. But I mean, let's face it, to get in your first downforce race ever with a new organization is going to. to be very difficult to go out and outrun, the JRM guys, the Penske guys. And there's a lot of good cars and drivers out there. So realistically, your first ever real race, if we don't count

plate racing as real racing, which some of us in the industry call it that. The reality is they're all real races. I think you got to say, man, he made the right move for a championship opportunity. And as T.J. said, even if he made the Xfinity playoff, if he's not on that college car, the first three or four races, what are the odds he makes, goes from 12 to 8? They're pretty low. It'd be like last year. I mean, he was there in the playoffs and was knocked out the first round. If I'm Ross, I'm probably looking to nail down a solid truck deal to get myself back in the, you know, the mainstream, not that he's not, but, you know, he started, Ross can compete. Like, it's going to be easier going to find a competitive truck ride right now that is Xfinity,

but doors will open down the road. We all know, you know, doors open and stuff. So if I were him, I'd get something super competitive until the right door open like it did for him already, but obviously that you can't plan on that happening. The good news is, Ross is on our next show. Yeah, so we can just ask him. So, Monday, after Sonoma, we'll all be jet lagged all to hell. You'll be here too, right? Y'all'm coming back from Gateway.

I was going to say he's going to be in Iowa and Gateway with this triple truck challenge. So there's no interference from, you know, upper division. So Iowa and Gateway, he's putting himself in a good position to get that win. He's just got to back it up with the points. It's a great story for that series. It's awesome. I mean, I was on the MRN radio broadcast. for the truck race in Texas.

And going into it, that was one of the big storylines next to Biffle that we followed. Yeah, that's the – that was a two storylines. You know, people were impressed. And then he ran good. Unprecedented for a guy to try to do this. Yeah, it'll be cool to follow. All right, guys, let's take a break, and we'll see what's coming up this week on the Dale Jr. Download.

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T.J's distracted. It looks squirrel. What's new? Some shop guy back here banging around a gear pan or something. I know. No, that was Mayo that walked off with it. So he's probably just making noise

because I know he doesn't have to work on race cars. Speaking of which, TJ walked past me in the garage this weekend at Michigan. No. And I said, hey, and he looked at me and then kept walking. I went hi, and he turned and looked at me again. I didn't know you were talking to me. And I go, oh, all right, TJ, didn't want to say hi anyways. And I turned around and walked off.

and it was not but like five, six, seven minutes later, he comes back over. He's been gone. I turned right. Did you come up and say hi to me? And I'm like, no, I turned right around like a minute later. I was like, you know what? Was she talking to me? Because if she was, I didn't hear you.

And then I was like, if she was talking to me, that was really rude. Don't you, did you do something to your hair in a different color or something? Maybe. Yeah. I think it looks amazing, by the way. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you.

Yeah. I mean, it's kind of like gray, silvery blonde. That's what I was feeling. Yeah. Like a platinum. It's got something in there. Thank you. That threw him off.

Oh, right. Because you do look maybe even more hot than you do. Maybe it was just Michigan and I was just zoned in. Over it. Oh, yeah. T.J., I'm trying to help you here. I went back and apologized. Yeah, he did.

I'll give him that. I went back and I said, sorry. Were you talking to me? And she's like, yeah, I'm like, oh, sorry. I mean, I really didn't know what she was. So I went back and apologized. He thought you were some random fan flirting with him. He was trying to like, who's this chick.

I was not flirting with Doug. I was not flirting with Doug. Oh, boy, I'm, you guys. You want to keep going? Huh? We'll keep going if you want. No, I'm good. We're good.

We can stop. I had to ride to the airport with him, and I didn't think we were going to make it because his dropped pin was taking us to the bar that y'all ended up with instead in the airport. So I'm glad we just made that flight. Oh, man. All right. First question here on Fast Lane. Denny Hamlin tweeted, competition cautions are not necessary from a racing standpoint, but are good for TV to take an early break in the action to help viewership. Are competition cautions still necessary?

TJ, you start. I think so at certain racetracks where we move around. You know, when it rains, the track lays rubber throughout the weekend, racing and practicing and stuff. And normally about the time we get to our racers, there's a good amount of rubber on the racetrack. And at the speeds we carry, when there's a good rain and it washed some of that rubber off, I don't mind a competition caution just to get some more rubber on the track.

And I don't want to see anybody just chew up a right front. But I also, I don't mind the strategy part of it. it, you know, or it couldn't, hey, I might not want to run the third lane right now because it's going to, you know, eat the tire off. So I think I look at other major sports and they have commercial breaks, right? We're going to have commercial breaks no matter what, whether we stop the race or we don't stop the race. Well, if we don't stop the race and we go to commercial, the fans are going to miss some of the

action. So I think the rain gives us a great excuse to take that TV timeout, if you will. get another restart. You know, Denny said that it helps the viewership. The break doesn't help the viewership. The break creates a restart, which helps the excitement of the race. But in the end, fans are griping so much about, you know, TV commercials being so frequent. And look, TV has bills to pay, right? They have advertisers who pay the money. So that break isn't a bad thing for me at all. I don't think it's a bad thing. I mean, I think it helps out with the breaks. Like you said, it helps out. It lets them get a little more in. Plus, it lets us, it

It is a little bit of a safety thing, too. I mean, there is a little bit of safety to it, especially where the tracks that will lay a lot of rubber down. All right. Greg Biffel returned to NASCAR in Friday night's truck race and one. Do you think that more teams should lean on part-time veterans to help make their programs better? Bright, you start. I do. I really do.

I mean, when I look at Elliott Sadler coming back and running some races to help colleague and really evaluate their equipment, Ross Chastain, obviously, is an existing guy who can use Elliott's mentorship. and obviously Elliot can help Justin Haley. So having had a direct impact and see how that can help organizations, look at what Biffel just did. I mean, and here's the thing. He got in the best truck with the best crew chief in the series and won the race. But hopefully Harrison Burton and Gilliland had an opportunity to learn something from this guy,

and I think a lot of teams could benefit from this. Yeah, does the Seals were before the All-Star race next year now? No. Under our rules, he would be. Yeah. So that was cool to see him come back, and I literally watch this guy, lift in a lot of situations during that race. He washed a lot of these other guys drive off into the corner,

get in trouble, take care of themselves, and next thing you know, here he comes on by. I watched him lift in numerous scenarios just to run a smart race. Next thing you know, he's leading another race, and you're probably not going to get around a guy like Biffle at the end of a truck race. No, no. Here's what you know is when fast guys get in equipment,

you find out if your equipment's fast, right? I mean, look at Ross and these motorsport stuff. He's flying in that stuff. So you know a great Biffle, fast if you go get him. A Carl Edwards and Elliot Sadler, uh, Casey Kane. I mean, the list goes on. Jamie McMurray, right? We know those guys can go fast. So it really gives you a true evaluation opportunity. I guess here's my real question, though, is I wonder, TJ, if you think looking back at Biffle, knowing he's been out of the truck this long, he should realistically

not be able to come in and win at race, right? But he does. Do you think he stayed a rouse too long? I don't know. I mean, probably. Probably. I mean, I think he, yeah, probably, because he probably had opportunities to go other places. That 20 car before Joy Lugano got in it? He had a shot at that. I mean, you can always look back and, you know, should I made a different decision here. I mean, and I say that because he can obviously still drive. We know how great Roush was. Oh, it was awesome.

You went to certain places you knew you were going to have to be a Roush. But we look at Matt left, Carl left, and how successful they were. Biffle kind of got I mean he's obviously very very loyal guy to stay there I'm just curious and look every every organization is cyclical I mean Hendrick went through it last year

Roush is going through it now they're going to get back everybody does they're going to get back to the top but I just man I don't know if sometimes you overstay your welcome I just was wondering what you thought yeah I think and I also think Ryan going there has been it's been a good shot in arm yeah I think Ryan's actually doing pretty good

his average finish isn't isn't pretty good yeah Trevor wasn't pushing Ricky Stenhouse he wasn't and Ryan coming in there Ryan had something to prove having not run great at Childress last year and I think they look I mean Rouse has got a lot more speed than they had

I feel like the 17 and the six are fairly competitive now I mean they race they're there I mean you notice you see him yeah well you guys go back you said Biffle you know is a is good for the truck series I had Biffle during that race so I listened to his scanner listening to him and Rudy I also had

Grant and his crew chief and the communication between Biffle and Rudy was so different than anyone else's radio. I mean, they had a weird pit strategy. They came in. It didn't take any tires. It was just fuel. And he knew everything that he needed to know

to help make the pit strategy and make like the race call with Rudy. And I honestly think that's part of what helped him win the race because I talked to him before the race. And he goes, this is nothing like anything I've driven. The trucks are so different. So he really was getting in a different truck. It's not like he had that with him.

but he's so smart and he has that experience that between him and Rudy. This is the, you could put, you could put a NICUP guy in a truck, and his, his, his, his, his bank of races and knowledge is going to be so much more than what he's running against in the truck series most time. He's going to sit back and let it come to him instead of trying to go up there and take it. Because nowhere during that race that I see Biff will do anything crazy. No, his radio was like, well, I'm just going to let these guys wreck each other and this guy's going to move this one. And it was like, he was just chilling. Honestly, he was patient and we would win sick.

seven truck races a year if he drove that truck. There was no aggression. But here's the thing, I honestly believe that Rudy is going to win six or seven truck races a year. I mean, when you look at what he did with Swarney's already won five. You look at what he did with Gragson. Yeah, but even with Svarez, Gregson, like he, this is a million-dollar question for Kyle Bush that nobody maybe has even asked him.

Why do you have the best crew chief when you're the best driver? We had this conversation over the weekend. I was like, why is Rudy not working with these younger drivers? because he's so smart and he has so much intel. I mean, I know him and Kyle have a great rapport. Right. Say that again. We know the answer to that because he doesn't want,

the guy owns the company doesn't want to lose, first of all. Right, but in these situations where Rudy's not with Kyle, where Kyle can't compete at these races, why is he not on Todd's truck? I mean, they just had the crew chief shake up, so why was Rudy not? I don't know. I mean, maybe, you know.

Just a question, you know? It could be, I don't know what all they got over there, what they're doing, but. We know which crew chief has won the most race. in that series. Well, isn't that? With a company. Probably with that company.

100%. I mean, obviously, this is a very intelligent guy, and his guys win. We've heard so far off that. Sorry, guys. We did. Yeah, it's normal.

All right, next one. Sonoma's carousel portion of the road course will return next weekend for the first time since 1997. Is this a good change, and what will you have to do differently as spotters, T.J.? You know, I've never been there

to run the carousel, so I don't really know. I've watched races where they've ran it. So I'm curious to see. I thought, I know one thing, we're losing a passing zone, two passing zones, kind of, which I don't know if that's going to make it worse, because there was, you could pass in both the corners that we've eliminated pretty much.

We're using the, what is it, five or whatever, on the backside before you come back through the S's, whatever you want to call it. I think it's five, which is where we're going to come back onto the racetrack, but I don't think that's a passing corner. Honestly, I watched the race last night on eye racing. They ran Sonoma last night, and they ran the carousel, and I wanted to see where those guys would pass, and they come into that, they come out of the carousel,

and when they come back to go through the s's, it's just like a, I mean, I don't think it's a passing corner. You went over on your 30 seconds, I'm probably going to go over on mine. You run over on your last one. So there's three passing zones to T.J.'s point in the old one, four, seven, and 11. Okay, they've pretty much taken four and seven out of the equation.

What's going to be really interesting with running the boot or the carousel or whatever the hell we're going to call this thing, the entry is going to be extremely difficult in these cars. That's what they're seeing in these simulators. So I think the entry to the carousel is going to be nuts. But what we know to TJ's point is the more on throttle time you have at a road course and the less hard braking zones you have at a road course, it's harder to pass. So to TJ's point, like if you can't get them in 11, you're almost stuck with them at this point. Yeah, I don't. I just know there's time.

Was it four and seven you're calling it or whatever? Yeah. I guess the carousel is five and six. Yeah. So four was good because it's a, at the top of the, they come out of the top of the hill and they get loose right there. Three a eight. They get loose right there and that's where guys get runs. Is that the up and over?

Yep. And then they come out of that we're not going to see them jump that curb anymore. We're not going all the way to turn four. They turn in much earlier to make this end field deal. That won't be a passing zone there. One, yeah, no, of course not. But it's going to be a very difficult corner to make. And the restarts right there are going to be in.

sane. I think. It's going to be. Because it's a hell of a sharp term. Have you seen the map? Yeah. No. I've driven it on eye racing.

So it's sharp to go back. And when you go off into the yeses, it's like kind of off camber. It's, it's going to be, I mean, it's tough the transition down into the carousel. Here's the best part. We don't have a whole lot of practice. That's the good news because we saw the roval. Imagine the roval test how many cars they tore up. The roval extra practice day, how many cars they tore up.

Then by the time the race got there, these guys are awesome. right? They figured out what they needed to do and where they needed to be. We're only going to practice a couple hours before the race. That's perfect. That's great news to make this exciting. I don't really know that I want this to be a long-term change to this track, though, because I was a huge fan. It's just like Bristol with SMI.

They're selling the place out, 150,000 tickets. Every time they open the doors, what do they do? They change the track. Everybody rants and raves about how great Sonoma is. Will they do? Change the track. I hope it's not for detriment of the race because I was a big fan of the old. I liked Sonoma.

I liked Four and Seven. and then the S's, if you didn't get through the S's, you got a shot. You had to get through the S's. Otherwise, the guy's going to be all over into 11, which is another passing zone. I mean, left, right, slowing down. I don't know. I mean, it could be good. I don't know.

Either way, I'm going to have a glass of wine. Have a glass of wine for me. When I'm out there. Do you like red or white? Because white makes me vomit. I like red. Yeah, I don't like white. White makes my stomach hurt.

I'm just kidding. White doesn't make me vomit, but I like red. All right, off the wall question. A company in Utah is offering $1,000 for someone to downgrade to a flip phone for a week. Could you complete this challenge, Brett? Yes. I feel like that's a blessing. Yeah, I could do it.

Yeah, right? Easily. Yeah. I would give up my phone for a week for a thousand bucks. Yeah, I would do. No texting. I was like, I would give it up for free as long as someone told everyone that I have to give my phone up. So no one thinks I'm dead.

Yeah. Social media. Just tweet it. Going off the radar. My little girl has to give up her phone for a week all the time. So life goes on. That's true. She doesn't have her phone right now because she didn't fold clothes last night.

Did you give her a grand? Hell no. Well, yes, actually, frequently. I have a little sister that's 13, and every time I'll text her and it'll say not delivered, so I'll text like my dad or my stepmom, be like, yo, I can't get a hold of Kylie. And they're like, yeah, she's grounded right now. And I'm like, all right, sounds good. We'll have her call me, I guess.

Okay, sounds good. She can use my phone between five and seven if she needs to call you. So call me then. I'm like, okay, and then I'll get a text about a week later. And she'll send me something. Then I'll go to call on her phone shop. 13. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah. Maybe you should be grounded. I'm surprised I wasn't grounded more than I probably should have been grounded more often. Don't tell on yourself. Yeah. Hey, we're good now. I'm 3,000 miles away. We're good now.

Anything you want to admit to? No, I need like five more years until it's funny at Thanksgiving. It's still not funny for some of this stuff. All right, moving on to AskDBC. Remember, you can send your questions each week, tweet them to us using the hashtag AskDBC. All right, first one. Kenyon Ryan asks, thoughts on TJ's victory celebration. What did he do versus what should he have?

done. A late, Brett won the perfect race to party afterwards because it's a, I party after every race. Yeah, but it's a, he won the perfect race to be able to come back and party with your team at a decent hour. When you win Martinsville, you're back, you can get back by, you know, 9, 3rd, 9 o'clock, 10 o'clock. Watch what happens if I win Sonoma. You're not coming home.

You'll stay there. Oh, I'm coming home. You'll stay there. I have to come home and do this show because y'all keep giving me from missing. If he wins Sonoma, I could definitely see Clint. say, I'm staying, you're going to stay with me. And then it's going to be you, me, and. Freddie.

Freddie. And Ross. And Ross. Yeah. I'll call in. But Clint's the type, I mean, that's just some races are easy to party after. Charlotte's a good one to win. You've won that one before.

Oh, that was bad. See, he wins all the ones that are not good for his liver. I woke up in a motorhome. True story. I woke up in a motorhome the next morning going down the road. And I was like, oh, gosh, this is not good. have come into someone's bus and went to sleep. And I'm going home with him.

And now I'm going. And now I'm going wherever they're going, right? And so I wake up and I look around and I was like, man, I think this is Biffle's bus. So Biffle had just got a new bus. And I was like, man, it was awful nice. So him to let me sleep in his bed. Then I was like, well, he's not even here. He doesn't know I slept in his bed.

So I come walking up through there and I see Trucker, a very good friend of my, Gary Hunt. He's driving. And I'm like, Trucker. And I scared him to death because he didn't know I was awake yet. So I'm like, hey, trucker. And he's like, oh, oh, you're up. And I was like, hey, where are we going? He's like, I'm going to take you the food line in Denver and drop you off.

I got somebody meeting you there to pick you up. I was like, awesome, man. I'm glad you're responsible. Thanks, but we literally won that race to Charlotte, and it was bad. Yeah. Yeah, that was a good one to win, though. Yeah, the close ones are good because then your whole team gets a chance to come back and meet up. It's hard to get together when you get back at 2 o'clock in the morning.

Everyone was just really, I think, ready to come home after Michigan, too. Like, we landed at 12, 15, so I didn't get home until 1230. I did that one other time. We were in Homestead. Remember when Blake played on the beach that time down there as part of some beach? That song was popular in Ascar, and he had a big partnership, so he went down there and played. So I went in the night before to hang out with his manager, and I woke up in his bus, and I was like, man, I think this was a recurring thing.

So I started looking around for shirts and stuff to wear because, like, I got bedhead. I don't have a hat. My shirt's all killed from the night before. So I leave. I come back later that afternoon. Blake's now flown in and I walk on the bus and he's like, is that my hat? I'm like, yeah, I might have stayed on here last night. I hate by accident.

It's fun to have fun. It is. It's good. All right. Next one. Dubs 103 asks, what did you both think of Haley Degan's move to win the Canaan West Race? I didn't see a really good replay of it I mean I saw one angle

I don't know if there is more than one I saw a restart and I don't know how I don't know how the other car got positioned on her on the inside but I saw them going up the racetrack and then I saw them get back in line and I guess come down into turn one is that where it happened turn one and two okay so they come back into turn one

and she she forces it in there a little bit let me just tell you story real quick They get a restart, right? She kind of leaves the door open, getting into one on the restart, okay? She's got someone on her outside. Her teammate, dive-bombser, gets in there, kind of drives into her door a little bit. I saw them wash up the racetrack. They did.

They washed up. They're three-wide. They washed up. They come off the corner one and two. They run through three and four, and then they get to turn one and see you. So that's kind of what happened. I mean, I don't agree with turning a guy. But, I mean, if you're going to do it, I think you should do it where you,

you move them up the racetrack, you don't want to ruin his race. And I don't know where he finished after that. Not good. So, I mean. He finished eight. There was 14 cars, so, you know. I mean, it could have been worse. But, you know, obviously, if you're going to, even if she did leave the door open,

if you make contact and you hit somebody in the door, you're probably going to get something back at that point. You know, lap 100 to 500, maybe not. But when it's a green white checker or something and you have any contact and you feel like the guy used you up, what are you going to do? Yeah. I don't agree with reckoning, but I mean, you're probably going to get hit. If Ligano doesn't have win-at-all-cost approach at Martinsville last year, we don't win the championship. You don't win that championship.

If Haley Degan doesn't move this guy, she's not going to win this race. So I'm going to say this. My personal opinion is win the race at all cost. For your fans, for your sponsors, for the people who are watching, for your reputation, but live by the sword, die by the sword, right? I remember Jeremy Mayfield, punting. Dale Earnhard at Pocono to win the race. And I mean, Dale Earnhardt couldn't really say a lot, right?

Because this guy intimidated slash knock the hell out of a lot of people to win races. Remember old Terry the Bonnie at Bristol, Texas Terry, right? So I'm of the belief of win the race at all cost, but this could come back to haunt you. So we had Haley Deegan on NASCAR Coast Coast this week to talk about it. And we talked to a couple of the other drivers too. And she was like, I didn't have intentions on wrecking him, but I was going to win. And she's like, I knew I had the car to win, and I was going to move him. and it ended up being a wreck,

and I think a lot of the frustration is all three of her wins, thus far in the K&N West series, have been last lap moving someone coming to the checker, and then Derek got. So she's got these wins. Was she going to win before the cost of them? She had an awesome car. She lit a lot of bunch of laps.

She had a dominant. She lost the lead, bro. Yeah, she didn't have the lead. She lost a lead. No, I mean, before the last restart. Was she leading before the last restart? I don't think so. Who cares?

Well, the thing that a lot of people are pissed about is that, okay, she's got these wins, when it all costs, great. But like you said, people are getting fed up with it because she is a very aggressive driver, which is needed because females get this thing of not being aggressive,

but she's, I think she has put a target on her back, which is unfortunate because she's just going after wins. Everyone's going to go after it. Two things out of that. Number one, if you're a Del Earnhardt fan, this cannot make you mad. You cannot be against her on this two. Number two, she's a female and she's not taking any...

Good for her, man. And she is showing, she's probably, probably the best female or either has the fastest car of female has ever driven in motorsports in stock car racing. Good for her, man. I agree. I'm a Haley Deegan fan. I was a Sarah Fisher fan in Indy car because she was a badass female, right?

I respected the heck out of a lot of females. Had the privilege to work with Johanna Long while she was here. I'm good for this girl. Don't get it, girl? Yeah, I want to see how she handles herself when someone sends her up the racetrack. Obviously, she's going to have to expect that at some point. But, I mean, she's got three trophies, three checker flags, and three wins. I mean, yeah, I'm here for it.

I think what she's doing is awesome. But last one here, Mark Walker asks, how much of on-track success these days is down to computer simulations figuring out setups ahead of race weekends? You know, I don't know if it's, I don't know if the computer simulated setups are really what's, you know, obviously they do some of that stuff, but that's hard to translate another. real world still. They can get close with things, but that doesn't translate, you know, just directly. I think a lot of these guys are using it for seat time to get accustomed to the race track

again. So their first laps on the track, not that they were far off before, but they're, when we go green off the truck for the first practice, it's lights out. I mean, they're spot on where they need to be and stuff like that. I think driver simulation and computer simulation here are two different things, right? Driver simulation is to me, a Bubba Wallace going to a track that he's never been to and familiarizing himself with the lay of the land and really just the visuals and the peripheral vision things, right? But from computer simulations, I literally just had a conversation with a crew chief this morning, and it wasn't mine. And he credited how fast they are to how well their simulation program is right now from an engineering perspective. And he said, quote, when's the last time

you've seen me unload and be on my splitter and be shooting up the racetrack. When's the last time you've seen me unload outside of the top 10? Like our computer simulation right now is money and it's making our cars fast and it's making our practice sessions very efficient because we're not chasing our tails on what the computer is telling us when we get there. That's what the racetrack is providing us. So extremely important on that side. What a world we live in. Yeah. Nuts. All right. Anything else to rant about? Considering I feel like that's what we do this entire podcast. I think, I just, want to say that I sent out a tweet about women's soccer saying that, well, I can't wait till

5 o'clock to race so women's soccer can be on TV. I'm not a women's soccer fan. I'm not a male soccer fan. I am, however, a sports fan, right? So I get that some of you people are really passionate about soccer. Well, guess what? I'm really not. Like, I think anybody with two legs can go out there and play the game of soccer because all you do is run and kick a ball. Some other, some people are better at than others. I don't think anybody can drive a race car. I don't. I don't think anybody can drive a race car. I don't think anybody can play football. I don't think anybody can play basketball. Yeah, you can get out there, but you're not going to be competitive, right?

Did you see Cole Pern's tweet? No. Cole Pern put a tweet up and got ripped on social media, and it was right after they called the race and said the 5 p.m. start time, and he goes, well, this is how it must feel to be effed by an entire women's soccer team. It's literally said on Twitter, and people were like, you hate other sports, and he goes, dude, I just don't watch soccer. Like, I'm bummed.

I wanted to get the race and I wanted to get home. And it was just super funny. how we put that up there. Same. So like, what a soccer match. And listen to me, there are soccer fans who make fun of racing and they say, oh, you guys do his turn left and this is a sport. I don't care what you people think. You're sensitive bunch of heads need to just worry about you. You've been on one today. I'm sorry, but people are too sensitive. Like I tweeted about two teams, two soccer games with four teams that I've never even heard of from the countries other than Canada. So, okay, three of the four teams I've never even heard of their country. So do I think NASCAR race should come on after that?

Hell no. It shouldn't take a priority. This is my brain. I don't like soccer and I don't care what you people think. I had to deal with one imbecile and I ended up blocking three people because, listen, here's the thing about me. If I blocked you, it's not that I don't like you. It's not that I don't like you're debating. I think you're an idiot is why I block you. Glad I'm not blocked. Thank you. Welcome. Dale was making fun of you blocking people on the download this week. I have to block them because they're idiots. I don't want to. I block people at this point too after Bristol and everything that gets, every time specific people wreck, I get tagged in

stuff, and I just am like trigger happy on the block now. I'm like, I'm over it. It was funny. Me too. Like I enjoy the big banter, but then he gets to argue with other people and I've got dumb shit on my timeline and I'm like, see you. Yep, block. Have fun, loser. All right, picks for Sonoma. T.J. goes first. You guys are off this weekend, huh? I'm like, why are we talking about Sonoma? I don't know where he was running before he, you know, looped her around there at the end but hey i'm sorry for getting into him did you turn him oh no that was early on myself yeah yeah i got him a little bit oh that's right so this really shouldn't count oh yeah it you can't count it when your car hits my car i can't that i'm that i picked to win it's eight six

damn man i know who i'm going to yeah it's you're you're waiting if i pick you got the other one lined up too i know who i got dog yeah i'll go a kurt jimmy johnson yeah holla seven times champion. You're going to be out of drivers so quickly. I'm going to have a big enough lead. What do you mean? It's out of drivers. He pretty much is out of drivers. I know, but all the big ones are gone pretty much now. If he had picked anybody else, I was picking Kurt. Yeah. He's got Larson, Kurt, and Blaney.

How many races are left? Till the chase. Ten or eleven. Really? Oh, don't even look anymore because it's going to get bad. Well, I still got Matt Tift. Yeah. And now Matt Dibbon and Detto.

that guy's got to pick it up too I thought he was going to do more he did kind of early and then he's faded I got to get with Doug Doug spots you know you really screwed up right here how'd I screw up because if you were going to take someone like I really thought you were going to take McDowell no because he's kind of a road course guy and you know this is where I'm using one of my good guys that I got left he's in a road course guy he's got a spotter that's never seen Sonoma he don't need a spotter oh yeah you're going to need a spotter this weekend he don't need one not there can we even see? No. Once they turn off, once they go start half through the carousel, we can't see him anymore. But can we see when they top 3A and are going down that hill to turn on to the

thing? Yeah, we'll see them turn in. Then they'll come back kind of towards us a little bit. Right. But then they're going to turn off down into the carousel and we're going to lose them. That's the point where we wish them. Good luck. Yeah. And then we'll see you. The other guy, I'm guessing we'll have another guy over there that does seven now or something. Yeah. And if you hear a lot of cussing, that means your guy didn't make it out the other end. Did you know I've spotted Sonoma before? Have you want to help me this weekend? Yeah, I spot it on top of, is it the drag strip tower into the hairpin? Yeah.

Yeah, that's real fun. I was like, how do you call inside, outside when they come from you one way? And everyone runs across each other on the drag strip tower and you're like running shoulders? I'm actually planning on doing the K&N race just for some practice. I'm not doing that. I'm planning on practice on Friday. You know what I'm planning on spotting it for? I got practice on Friday.

Haley Degan. Yeah. Hala. What are you doing? What part of the track? Where I normally am. Okay. Top of the hill.

Yeah. So maybe I'll talk to her. Who does her stuff when... I don't know. I really don't know. I don't either. I got called and asked if I could do it. Ask her if she'll come on the podcast.

That's what I was going to say. You know, when we're getting ready to go green and I'm like, hey, by the way, I'm only doing this if you come on the show. I caught some guy named Bob to get her on here and Bob never called me back. Bob? I don't remember. Hang it Bob. She says no, it can't come on the show. You just stop spotting right then.

Yeah. Good luck. I'm probably not going to do that. All right. Movie review. Yeah, what's the movie review? Old school, streaking through the quad. it was really funny.

Then he's like, is KFC still open? That was funny. And then Mitch finds out that girls in high school, that she's graduating from high school. That was really funny. What's Mitch and Oneis? Oh, the godfather or whatever? Yeah, he did watch it.

Yeah, no, it was good. Blue, you're my boy. Oh, poor Blue died. Oh, man. You're my boy, Blue. Yeah, and then the mascot jumps in the fire hoop. So all that was pretty funny. Blue died in the middle of the wrestling thing, didn't he?

Yeah. Yeah, just ring the bell. All right, so what's next? Have we, have you seen any Adam Sandler movies yet? No. 51st dates is my favorite movie ever. I love 50 first movie. You want to cry?

50. That's not a sad. It's kind of sad. I mean, it's the sweetest, it's the sweetest movie ever. It's really funny. It's really sweet. It's good, though. I like it. I think we had this conversation last time I was on here that I went to the breakfast

place when I was in Hawaii. Oh, you did? The Lucuilauer cafe. So it's real. Yeah, kind of. It's based off of. a place, but it's nothing like it in the movie. I went to the place in San Diego where Top Gun, where they played the piano.

Oh, nice. Yeah. They made a lot of money off that movie. So 50 first dates for him? For sure. Especially since you're going to be on here. And it's your favorite. Oh, it's Take My Breath Away.

Yeah. That's what they play on that piano, right? Take my breath away. Hey, I'm telling you, Jason, 50 first dates. You still got any of that tequila left? Yeah, I probably some left. Take you a shot. and invite a girl over for this one.

Have you seen Top Gun? Yeah, I saw Top Gun earlier this year. It was good. Yeah, you're going to enjoy 50 first dates. All right, thanks pristineauction.com for coming on. Yeah, this is going to be exciting. I'm excited to see what we can fill this table up with. I mean, we could might have some cool stuff.

Yeah. You know, Dale Jr. just gets all these people to give them these die casts and stuff. Oh, look, I got a new die. Because I watch them on boxing here sometimes. Look, here it is. If you go browse the website, tell us some stuff we should bid on because we'll start bidding and beginning the show and then we'll see how it progresses throughout the show and we have to keep upping our bids or whatever. So send us some suggestions for memorable be. Yeah, I can't even say it.

I'm going to bring my iPad and put it right here in the key. Dale had a Kelly Girl hat that is somewhere in here, I think. Yeah, so Brent, is it Went? Is that his last name? He's got a lot of stuff. Yeah, he had called me about it and I didn't text him back in time. And as soon as I was like really excited about it because I love Janet Guthrie. Did you guys see the documentary on her too?

It was cool. Yeah, and he's like, well, sorry, Dale ended up with it. And I'm like, dang it. So I wonder pristineauction.com hasn't. I didn't text him back quick enough. We got to put something of ours on there. That's what I'm saying. We get something.

They need to give us a cool pristine auction hero card or something. Not a hero card. Something cooler. What's something podcast related? Let's sign these microphones will give them away. They're probably pretty cheap. Sign the show sheet. We'll sign that one that Casey got hit in the face with.

Casey will sign that one she got hit in the face with. We'll just give them these microphones. microphones and we'll sign them with a silver sharpie. There you go. These things look cheap. They do. Thanks for listening, guys. We're off weekend in it.

What are you doing? Off weekend. Party and man, no. Can you go to the beach. Yeah. South Carolina? Yeah. Yeah.

That's awesome. Where are you going? I think I'm going to chill. Yeah. I think so. It just came back from something with pigs and stuff. That's true. How's your, I'm getting my ass x-ray Thursday morning.

Does it still hurt? God, it's killing me. I just flew home. And so I got to tell you the story, right? So I ended up buying a donut, right? Oh, I saw that in the back of the car to sit on. And so I'm in this freaking part of the pharmacy where I feel like I'm a 92-year-old geriatrician with purple hair.

And I'm struggling. But then I ended up getting my donut and I ended up on the plane with a buddy of mine. Look who blew it up for me. Oh, that's cute. Yeah. That's nice of him. Oh, look at him go. What a great friend Clint is.

That is a good friend. I have a photo of him blowing up my donut, but he told me if I tweeted it and he would kill me. Good. And I literally, the whole time was like, make sure you blow it up nice and soft for me. So does it help? Not really. I wish I had a lot. I'm worried about it.

I mean, if it's still sore. I'm going to tweet a picture of my ass x-ray on Thursday afternoon. Do you think you broke something? Something's wrong. I can tell you that. Terfey Topsics. Oh, man. Oh, man.

mute you on Twitter for a couple weeks. I'm hoping they'd give me a shot. I don't know. I mean, we could have just had Freddie come on. Give me some cream for TJ to rub on or something. Say, Freddy. All right. That's my cue.

Freddie probably take care of you, though. He's not here so we can say that. So, all right. Thanks for listening to Share Show on social to retweet it. Like, go do all that stuff. Yeah. Which prayers for Brett's butt. Holla.

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