Door Bumper Clear - 147 - Joey Logano: Flashed and Flipped Off

Episode Date: August 13, 2019

Joey Logano joins the gang to talk being flashed and flipped off, almost stealing TJ from Dale Jr., little Joey at JGR, and awkward pace truck rides. Plus, Brett and TJ cover Clint Bowyer playing defense, cars running out of gas at Michigan and more.  Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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That's close enough. Sorry. A little closer. Look closer. T.J. on racing lives. What? T.J. You're on racing wives?

I didn't see it. I don't watch it. I watched it. Someone said, someone tweeted me and said they were playing radio clips and it was like me spotting through a wreck or something like that. Oh, yeah. I was crashing. Yeah.

Well, probably wasn't my fault. Of course. All right, you ready? So say hello to the champion. Welcome to a very special door bumper clear episode. We have the defending champion in the house. Joey Lagano will join Brett and T.J. To discuss everything from Michigan,

including Jimmy Johnson and Clint Boyer crashing, numerous drivers running out of field at the finish, the best Bristol night race moment, racing lives, and much, much more. Here we go. Hello to the champion. I'm T.J. Majors. This is Rick Griffin.

Get ready. Be ready. Be ready. Give me what you got here. New leader. I'll watch out for this guy. White flag. Recognize. Hello.

Clear. Bring home. Coming to the line. Door. Bumper. Clear. Woo!!!! Hey, everybody. I'm Tid J.Majors.

It's part of the 22 cup car, the 9-09 truck. And super special guest today. Here I am. Wow, that was a great intro. Is that your name? Is that your name? Yeah. Hey, I'm Joey Lugano and I drive the car that T.J. spots.

We just found out a big fan of racing wives, that new TV show. Big fan. Did you watch the whole show? I mean, listen. Would you be on racing husbands? No. No. But I find it highly entertaining.

So did you watch the whole show? Oh, yeah. I watch the whole show. Yeah. My wife and I, we watch a whole show. Yeah, 10 o'clock. Why is she not on it? Why are you guys not on it?

We're not very entertaining. No. You know, listen, if you put a camera in front of us at home, all it is us chasing around Hudson, our little guy all night long, and then he goes to sleep and we're like, yes. And I know what happens? No way, man. We go to sleep. Yeah, you're done. That's it.

No way. That's every night. That's it. Your wife and her family are highly entertaining. Okay. Maybe from that standpoint. I don't get uncomfortable. I don't get uncomfortable often.

But they managed to make me uncomfortable at a conversation one time, and that's pretty good. They have a, yes, they want to try to make you feel uncomfortable. They're very fun people to be around, and they don't hold back. They're a lot. They're fun. They're very outgoing. And, yeah, your wife's pretty entertaining. Yeah, she finds the line and then kind of jumps over the line sometimes.

When we first started dating, you know, that was one of the things I liked about her. She was really funny. But you go to some places, you know, some, you know, meetings or, you know, sponsor events. And I was like, okay, Brittany. Pat talk before. She has to notch, like, just a notch. And so she always, and it's funny because she always, like, starts a little bit shy. And then by the end of the dinner, the conversation has gone way too far.

And everybody loves her for it. Because it's all like, you go to these things, you're in a suit, you know, you're all like kind of stiff, right? And by the end, you know, everyone's having a good time. And that's what they really want to have. Everybody's normal. I mean, she is one of the nicest wives, I think. She is.

She's a lot of fun. You know, what if we did, you know, like, Spotter Wives show. Oh, that would be great. This could be a J.R. 36. I think it's racing wives, right? It could be any. It could be any position. If you just say like, you got to say spotter.

As soon as you say spotter, everyone's like, Ho-ho. Casey's sister-in-law's on there, right? Oh, really. Not really. She makes a few appearances. I think both of them do. Two of them do.

She so wants to be on it. I mean, no. Why would I want to be on that? Why wouldn't you? So how was the show at sale? You watched it? Was it a good show? Is it funny?

Entertaining? It's, you know, it's there. It's there. It's there. It's entertaining. It's entertaining. I give it entertaining. How fake is it?

It's, I don't know. I honestly don't know everybody in the show very well. I mean, I only saw one. I think there's some parts that are very real. And I think some of it's reality TV. Yeah. I mean, the Bachelor is not real. Like, it's stretched.

I think it's real. think the producers and just reality TV in general, I think they do a, I don't know if it's a good job, creating drama, asking the questions that's going to give an awkward answer or an answer that's going to go around. Kind of like you are right now to me. You're like, you can ask his questions and you're like, how can I make him say something he's not supposed to say? That's what those producers do. Yeah, that's what they do. Yeah. I just want to know what's any good. You know what? Maybe when the spotting thing blows up for you. It's blowing up now. Exactly. So you go do this. New producer for wrestling wise right here.

me. So it sounds like it's about as real as the Easter Bunny, because some people believe. Yes. Some people do. And I think there's some parts that are true, but I think there's some things like, I mean, I don't think everybody goes to dinner with each other before, but, you know, they put them together and then I think they left to see what happens. There's like forced situations from what I understand.

Everyone's got their own lifestyle with the track and everyone's different than not. You know, everyone, some people like to go exploring, others like to go to dinners as a group, stuff like that. So, um, I think so. Yeah. So anyway. Right, you really started off strong there with racing lives. This is how the show goes.

What we were talking about before we went live? We got this awesome script and it's like nothing here. Well, I text warned why I guess who used to work for me and I works for Joey. And I saw Folly yesterday who used to work for me and now works for Joey. How is everybody away from me? And I listen, I text them and I'm like, hey, give me some. That might fall. You can't pay him good enough to stay, man.

Well, I know. You pay peanuts. You get monkeys working for you, right? So I was like, hey, give me something good to ask Joey. And they're like, just don't ask him about fuel mileage. So I didn't want to start with that. But we'll get to it. Yeah.

Well, on that note... I ran out of gas. I ran out of gas. Let's just go right into it. How was Michigan? I mean, Brett, I really think you should start first because you had a great Michigan, too. Oh, my Michigan was short-lived. We ran like half the race again.

Clint decided to race somebody too hard. I don't know if Menard came up a tick or Clint came down a tick, but nonetheless we wrecked. Look like you got a little loose right before it happened. to see it, you're a spotter. I'll follow the rest of it on Twitter, the rest of the race. Yeah, that looked like a, I didn't see it happen, but I saw a replay, it looked like he might have got a little loose before it. Three wide, you're up top.

Bad spot. Now you're wrecked. That's how it went. So, I mean, honestly, I thought that Michigan race was better than the first Michigan race. I didn't. I didn't think, I didn't think it was good. The first race, we couldn't catch y'all. Nobody could.

But I felt like there were, I mean, I saw the 19, the 11, the two. I saw guys making moves and come. up through the field, you know, more so than maybe the first one. The 19 drove straight through the field on the first run, like straight through the field. But we saw that. That was a surprise. We thought he was good in practice too. I thought the, you know, the PJ1 that they applied to the top lane there.

That was a great move. Yeah, I don't, honestly, I think everywhere we've applied the, the traction compound has been a thumbs up to me. It's been better this year. This has been the best year they've applied it, like in the right spots. Well, I mean, you've got to learn, right? I think they, and before we're at now, it used to just, we used to just show up and it was on the track. And there was no collaboration between drivers and track and NASCAR on where we think in Goodyear,

on where everything, you know, should be and how do we make the best racing. It just would show up on the racetrack, and the racetracks were doing it. Now that we have some collaboration, there's plenty of communication that goes out to a lot of the drivers and says, hey, what do you think if we put it here at this track and maybe here on another track and how they apply it, how thick they apply it. There's a lot, there's a lot of science that goes to this thing that we really don't completely understand yet, but we're learning about it every single race. And I would say from what we saw in Michigan 1 to Michigan 2, I think that it was better

yesterday. Track was wider. Yeah, we were able to pass cars, you know, if I need to. and I don't know. So it's not like showing up in Kentucky last year and it's right in the groove where everyone's going to run. Yeah, right, because that's what it was. Kentucky this year was good.

Yeah, Kentucky this year was really good. It's a long time. Yeah. Ever. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was pretty good. Well, it's up for the end.

Yeah, we should have won that one too. Man, really, he's going to really good to about 20 to go here recently for us. Well, typically, whoever comes on this show wins, like right before they come on or right after they come on. So I know you didn't happen last week, but Bristol's probably. Bristol will be a great. good one. We should have won Bristol in the spring too. Then the Kasha came out with what

20 ago? Yeah, then we pitted and never got by to the front. No. So what is a PJ1 like for the guys that are listening and gals that are listening? Like when you go up and get in it for the first time, it looks a little squirrely. Like what takes it time to come in? What is that? I think I have a couple theories on this on why, but it is at first it's slick compared to the parts of the race track that's not sprayed on. And then as it gets activated, whether it's heat, or it just getting cleaned off, uh, it comes in and has a ton of bite,

right? And then eventually it wears off. Where's off. I mean, you have that many cars running on it. It's going to wear off eventually. And, and that's what we're going to see this weekend in Bristol as they apply that in the

bottom lane, uh, to try to help the bottom lane be able to keep up with the top lane. 500 laps of 40 cars on it. That stuff wears off. Right. Uh, and it's going to wear off,

I don't know, probably halfway through the race. It's still going to help. There's still some sticky stuff there, but it's not like, it's not like it is in the beginning of the race. So I think just trying to understand that, being able to move around this week is going to be super important

on being able to run the top, run the bottom when you need to, get through traffic somehow. That's what makes Bristol. I love Bristol's a best. I've a favorite racetrack. I think it's just, I've never seen a bad race there. For a driver, it's the most entertaining, physically demanding racetrack.

I love it. The fans, I mean, they create a great race. Yeah, well, winning there is cool because you have, like, everyone's celebrating. or booing you one or the other, but they're all like right there, right? It's like that stadium environment. Like Martin's cool?

Martinsville's similar. Yeah. You're right on the front stretch. I think they should move Victory Lane to the front stretch at all the racetracks and do like a podium like Formula One. I think a podium would be funny. I think it'd be fun.

I don't know if I want to do it, but like think about it. Okay, so it's not necessarily like F1 does it, right? But they never, they don't have the bump and run move, right? So they don't have like, they don't have contact. So them standing up next to each other is a little awkward, but it's okay. But like for us, like someone can get moved out of the way and then you got to go stand next

the guy. Amazing. Great TV. Let's do it. I think it's awesome. Like, I don't really want to be put in that position, but as a race fan, I think that's great. So I say we do it. What I don't understand about podiums, this is the part that I don't understand about podiums.

When I watch other sports in this point, maybe the Olympics or other, maybe Formula ones even this way, is they celebrate for finishing second or third. Fair. What's her to celebrate? You didn't win. Yeah, it's just something to go for. You get points, so in Formula 1, points are big. It's about winning the race, TJ.

It's about win. It's more about, like, the... Number one. But I will say, it's all the matters. There's always, yeah, well, there is a second place trophy. It's like a participation trophy. Who wants a second place trophy? I got a second place trophy that's throwing the garbage.

I don't want that. I guess, I guess to me it's more about, like, I think we should open up the front stretch and rope it off right after the race, like, a certain area. Let the fans. all staying in front of you guys and stuff. Like let them charge the field kind of in a way. That's what they do with Formula One. That would be cool.

They rope it off and let the fans come in from the grandstands and stand there and like cheer and stuff like that. That way when the race is over, it's not all over. You know, you can leave and beat the traffic if you want. But if you want to stay and hang out, it gives you a... So Bristol's done that before. They had like a concert afterwards. We won there one time.

I just remember this. And then after you're done with Victor Lane, they had everything kind of set up on the front straight. There's a bunch of fans there. And you go up there, you make a toast. I'm just saying for like kids, man. And if you win a race, no matter where it is, you just made some little kid's day. Some little kid just became a fan of you that day.

That was at his first race and he saw you win. And how cool would it be for him to get down on there on the racetrack itself? Just standing on the track looking down on it. You know, that's... Staying on the racetrack's cool. Exactly. It's like you're on a hockey game and getting a stand on the ice. What is that kid ever going to get a chance to stand on that racetrack?

You know what I mean? Some tracks are doing like track walks, not necessarily with the drivers, but I also notice that there requesting the race winner the next day, like for an appearance. So fans do have the opportunity to meet them, but not necessarily next day. I get his point. I get his point about second or third. Second and third does. I mean, but when you leave second or third, yeah, it sucks. You didn't win, you're not happy right to him. But at the end of the day, if you walk out of the second or a third, that's a pretty solid day. It's solid, but it's not winning. It's not winning, but still. I'm not going to go home and celebrate. I mean, I'm not saying we need to go up there and play

the National Anthem three times or, you know, something like that. Like, that's what Formula One does. they play their country's anthem or whatever. Well, what do you have about, like, country's anthems? I like that part. That's a good part. I don't mind playing the national anthem, but we're all from the same country, basically. We don't need to hear it three times. Except for one.

Same one three times. America, I love it. I love it. Let's do it. You know, third place finisher, you know, so and so, so, so, so, second place guy. So, you know, and then you get. I just think it'd be great if he had a fight in the podium.

I agree. Daniel Sorens knocking somebody off the top. Like, I can see that happened. That cat's been in so many fights lately. Changing the number. Didn't that happen in Formula. one. He, like, changed the number from, like... Rivalries are great for sports.

They're great. That was the V8 supercar race. Was it? Yeah. You got a little trash talk up there a little bit, and boom. So we always see you guys right, you know, you'll wreck somebody, and then the next week you qualify right beside them, and you end up in the back of the truck. What is actually going through your mind as a driver

when you know that you've got to climb in the truck with a guy you don't like? When's the last time you had that happened to you? Oh, it happens every time. Anytime something like that, I don't know, but anytime something like that happens, you're always like, Is it really awkward? That is the one I get in the pickup truck with, or your buses are parked next to each other, or your trailers are parked.

There's something during the week. You're parked next to each other in the garage. You see them at lunch? Yeah, crawling in the back of the truck, that's a five-by-eight space. And you can't get out. And you're stuck. And you're at Michigan. It's a two-mile ride.

That's what we need. There's times that, you know, you get in that truck and, you know, you tried to make some conversation and say hello. I try to because I don't. Like, I don't really like awkward situations. I try to, like, make it, I'm trying to break the ice. Like, I was like, hey, I don't know what's happening. The camera is definitely on you, too, and they know it's a rivalry.

They will watch you the entire time. So I try to, I try to talk. This is a stuff that used to be recorded. Yeah. They should have a go-for on all them. There's times that none of a word is said. I've been through those rides, too, where you just get on in. Say, hey, man, what's up?

And you wave the fans? Go up there to see the other awkward moments. I think that's great. Man, what's up? I had a fan... Good talk? I had a male fan flashed me this week on the ride. Oh, front or back?

And I told him to put a shirt back down. And he thought it was hilarious. Like, they thought it was a fan. I said, put that back down. Don't do that. Jeez, oh, man. He thought it's funny. Michigan is a wild place, man.

They're a hard there. Yes. Yes. Yeah, they get after it. What's the craziest thing you've seen on a parade that? That? No. Usually, so Martinsville is usually,

one for me that you know you're going really slow right because the check's not really big so you can see more you can see yeah you can really make like eye contact everyone you can see them and and i enjoy watching all the fans like to me it's really enjoyable because you just don't know what you're going to see next right it's like Walmart you don't know it's coming around the quarter next it can be anything people watching it's awesome and uh so then you have you have fans that cheer for you which is awesome and and i appreciate that and then you also have the fans that that are just as passionate about hating you. And that's entertaining film.

How many times you get flipped off? Oh, I probably get flipped off 50. I probably get 50 a lap. So every race you're going to get flipped off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. That happens. Normal.

That's normal. It's okay. I mean, you get some words. Does anybody ever give you two birds, like hold up two little fingers at once? Yeah, right of bet. That's like an FU, Lagan. Yeah. It's all the time.

They must really mean it. If they're throwing two, they really mean it. Well, the part that bothers me is, like, I don't really mind that. I just, I love that they're passionate about their sports and that. That actually doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when they're, they're cussing and saying these things, and they have a kid. Yeah, as well, they're nine-year-old, double-birding you. Yeah, and I'm like, come on, man, like, you should have a little bit.

Yeah. I don't, I don't mind, I don't mind the banter, the trash talk. That's fine. In their right situation, you know, but I guess when, I don't know, maybe because I'm a dad now, I think this way. but I think maybe. Maybe just think about that a little bit. Speaking of that, how's your dad, man? Hadn't seen him around in a while.

He's still. He's doing okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. He's doing good. Yeah. He obviously was a big part of your career. I think we've seen him flip somebody off on pit road, hadn't we?

He's passionate. It was only one, so he didn't really kind of half-minute. It was only one. Half-minute. Oh, man, that's awesome. That's good stuff. So of all the guys, and I told Folly, I was going to ask you this, Like, I don't know that I've ever seen a driver get swung at more than you have in your career.

Like, is there one guy? Never one landed. No, not once landed. I'm on that. But is there one guy that you actually look back and go, you know what, I kind of deserved it? Is there one? Listen, you ever seen a race car driver actually admit that they're wrong? No.

No. No. So you're not going to do it. I'm not going to be the first one to do that. Damn, I make a great race car driver. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I mean, he knows.

I mean, there's. There's, I mean, hey, if you're going to go out there and be aggressive, you've got to be ready for the consequences. Yeah. It's part of it. When you look at any of the race car drivers that are running up front consistently for wins, there's conflict around them at some point in their career. Yeah. Because they're aggressive. They're passionate.

They want to win really bad. And they have the same attitude as I have because second means nothing. Right. That's why they're winners. Yeah. Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser. That's my favorite quote. And I think that's just, I guess that's just how we are.

And so I don't know if you feel like something happened to you, there's just going to do that happen. Do you wake up on some days being more aggressive than others? I mean, because I see you race aggressively every week. But I'm just like. As it gets closer to the playoffs and. No, I race the same every race. Yeah. Yeah.

You had to admit you were wrong to me this weekend. Oh. Remember? Remember, hey, you know when you turn off into one and you cross the PJ1, he's like, I don't drive a net, yeah, you do, no I don't, yeah, I do, no you don't. I have a problem with- The engineer brought up the video and he's like, oh, I guess I do. I have a problem with seeing some things on the track. Like, anytime there's like cones on the fence and they use markers sometimes to do like a three-two-one,

like a lift points and stuff, and they ask me, well, where are you lifting at the three or a two? or where you at? I don't know. There's cones in the fence? Or there's this markers? I don't see them. Squirrel. If I look to the right while I'm trying to go to the left, guess where I'm going to go?

To the right. To the right. How can you see that stuff and look where you're going? So that's at least my excuse. On that note, use this show as an opportunity to talk as much crap about T.J. as you want. No, no, no, no, no. Like anything he's done wrong. Yeah, I don't really have a whole bunch.

Thank you. I honestly don't. Next question. TJ's pretty good. I wish I can talk a little more crap He gives me a hard time When you have an in-car cameras I look in the mirror

I happen to look at the mirror line I flip my fan vision over to his ink card And I'm sitting there washing He's like I'm like you don't even be looking back here I'm like I'll key up when he's doing it Because it's live and I'm like You don't need to be looking in there

What are you doing? But this is what he tells me this weekend We're in the trailer before the race Wait No no no no wait This is true And this is a true story And he says

When I'm telling you keep him behind you keep them behind you. I'm just assuming and hoping that you're looking up in the mirror, you know, trying to keep them behind you. I said, wait a minute. I thought you never want me to look in the mirror. I thought you always told me to take the mirror out is what you always said. Now you're relying on me. I'm giving you permission. Relying on me doing your job for you. It's not that. It's that because it's down like, you know the backstretched spotters. You can't really tell what lane they're in sometimes until the bumper's cross. So whenever you're trying to stay in front of somebody, you can't be like, hey, all right, go low, go high.

go low, go high. So that's when I kind of, you know, you're going to need your mirror at that point. You're allowed at that point, okay? You're allowed. It's a breakthrough. Any touch you out of the show. Mention granted. Speaking of spotters, let's, let's rub T.J's ego for a minute.

You made the decision you wanted T.J. majors to come spot for you a couple years ago. And what made you want to go get T.J. And is he lived up to what you thought that he was going to bring to the table. Well, we win the championship the first year together. So I got to say, we've done that. Honestly, so I've listened to. to TJ quite a bit beforehand. He spotted for me in a truck before. And I thought, well, he's really good. He gives good information, what I needed. And so I, just like I took Folly and warned

from you, I tried to take him from Junior. Yeah. And TJ's a very loyal guy. He got mad at me. He, he used me for negotiation purposes, I think, the first time and got him a great deal at Hendricks. So you're welcome. And then I grabbed him over to Penske when junior retired. And that was good. So I respect, I respect TJ for being loyal. You know, he had the opportunity not to be in. And I think that was admirable.

And I'd say the first three or four months we worked together, there was a learning curve of what I wanted compared to what Dale wanted, which is just the difference between driver to driver. it's not really, you know, anything that's just got to figure each other out. And I think from there, really, we've been able to grow to the point that we've been able to be on the same page on the racetrack. He knows what I need to hear, when I need to hear it, and we can just go to work. And it's simple.

It's a simple relationship. It doesn't have to be crazy and all this, you know, drama like you guys have with all your laughing and joking all the time. We're just not like that. I mean, that's entertaining and it's good, and I think it's funny. I like listening to it, but for us, I can't have all that. I got to be, I'm happy and funny when I'm out of the car and glad to be there, but when I put the helmet on, I got to go to work, and I'm just not, I'm a completely different person. He don't even understand dad jokes.

We tell him, I like tell him a dad joke in the car, and he's like, what? Okay, tell him. Tell the best story. This was good. So we're like, hey, you know, I'm like, hey, you know why I racing at Bristol's so cool? and, you know, what makes Bristol so cool. And I'm like, all the fans. He's like, what did you say?

Damn right, we're going to win. We're going to win for all those fans too. It totally like went over his head. I mean, like what? Oh, I got it now. Yes. There we go. Dad joke.

He did went over his head. That was a tough one, though. I will admit. It was like right before the race. And we had some dad joke thing going around for a few months. There was a little bit. Yeah, there was a little dad joke. stuff going around but no he it would i would even pick up on it well this funny part is i can't i guess i got so

i can't i could only do so much in there and my sense of humor is gone that's funny i wouldn't like to see um because clint's opposite like if he gets too serious man he uh i don't know he screws up like when he's when he's this typical yeah yeah yeah i mean like you're you you probably smile more than any guy i've ever seen right but when you put the helmet on that's not you clint is if he doesn't keep that same personality man you lose him you know what i mean that's the hardest thing for people for me for people to understand is that I smile and I'm happy and I'm generally like so blessed to drive a race car and I understand that. So I really enjoy every second. But it's hard for people understand to see that and then I put a helmet on. I'm completely different. And I think it's

hard to see that light switch switch. You know what I mean? For Clint, it's, you can correct me from, but it seems like it's the same guy all the time. It is. Yeah. I'd like to see your face. I'm a split personality, I guess. I'd like to see in your face whenever I'm driving to Disney and I finally made the decision and I call him and I'm like, look, I got to stay where I'm at. I'd like to see in your face then. I was mad. Yeah, I figured you were.

I'm driving to Disney with my wife in the passenger seat. I remember the conversation. I was in Vegas for the banquet and I actually stepped out into the patio that was there and I was like, you got to be kidding me. I was looking at the pool. I remember I was looking at the pool. when I was like, wrong. What year was that?

Oh, man. Three years ago? Yeah. Three, four years ago? It was probably four. Yeah. It was four maybe. Yeah.

Because then I went back for three years. So, yeah, it was four. Might even be more. You went back for two years. That was three. Was it? Yeah. I don't remember.

It's three. But, yeah, I'd like to see in your face then. That'd have been, I bet you weren't smiling for a few minutes. No, it wasn't. What's the first thing you said to someone? Who was the first person you? you told that I said no. I don't know.

I was Travis or Mike probably over there. I said that at SOB used us. Not TJ. He wouldn't do that. Really though, was it really, really, though, it was a decision I made with my gut and it wasn't, you know, it was strictly because I just didn't feel right making that decision. So maybe even asked this before.

I think it's a good thing. I've been asked this before, but I got to ask you. Obviously, Mark Martin said you were the best things since sliced bread. You came in, setting the world on fire, get into the Cup Series, have some struggles but still win races. When you get the Penske, man, you're literally setting the world on fire. Like, what do they have? What was missing or what did they have that you needed? Something had to have changed between, you know, those two organizations. Me? Me, probably, more than anything. You know, think about this. So I was, I was 15 when I signed with Joe Gibbs racing.

They had driver development programs back then to where they bought all our ProCup stuff that I was racing at the time and paid me to drive a race car when I was 15 years old. How crazy is that? That never happens anymore. That is insane. So that was a, you know, but I started driving there as a 15-year-old. And it's hard for, I think, anybody to, you get used to seeing, hey, there's, little Joey that his parents got to drop him off at the shop because he doesn't have a driver's

license. And it's hard as I grow up to become a man in that setting and a leader when you're still looked at as a kid. There's a little Joey that can't drive to the race shop. So I think I had some challenges there. And I didn't know how to overcome that at the time. And I didn't have any stats or anything behind me to prove any theory that I had or say what I needed to go fast because Xfinity racing over there was really good for me, right? I won a ton of races. But cup racing was really tough. And I jumped into it and I got my butt kicked week after week after week and eventually get beat down and you're just, you know, I don't know what I need. I don't even know where I'm off. I got to, you know, you got to take a step back and try to understand.

it. And I think over time I started figuring out more about myself and what makes me click as a person, as a driver. And I think over time, I kind of was able to get closer to that. But it's still hard for me to break that mold of little Joey. And it just got to the point that I think, you know, Gibbs just realized that, hey, we're just not winning races, right? And it's plain and simple. It's a performance business. So you don't win, you're out. I get it. I don't blame them. I was very fortunate to get the opportunity to drive for Roger Penske. And, I mean, just the stars aligned perfectly. And I was able to walk into Team Penske as a 22-year-old or 21-year-old, however all I was 21 or 22, but I had four or five years of experience under my belt. I've been racing for a while. I know how big

teams work. I know what I needed around me as far as personnel and attitude and been able to just kind of have that. And I think, you know, I was walking into a car that needed some stability. You know, they went through three drivers in a year, right? So they needed something that kind of got them to where it's something steady. And we grew together, right? It wasn't like Gibbs, I jumped into Tony Stewart's car that won two championships. I'm not Tony Stewart. Right. Just not. Yeah. Not going to be, don't want to be. I want to be Joey Legano. And I was able to really do that better in a more mature way at Team Penske, and it's been successful. So it's new life. I mean, change the scenery. It's the second

chance. You know, I'm lucky to have that second chance because I was looking at, I mean, my options were going back to Xfinity. Full time with Gibbs. Yeah. That was my, that was my option. Yeah. And I think Brad really wanted you there too as a team. Brad helped a lot. Because I remember the day when Brad walked in my house and we started, he was like, hey, what do you think about Joey being my teammate? Because, you know, we talked about it a bit. And I know Brad was really excited to get you as a teammate. Yeah, he helped a lot.

I remember, you know, there's been plenty of times before that we talked and tried to make it work, you know, and the timing was a little bit off from just from the contract side that I couldn't go or there wasn't room or it just wasn't going to work at the time. and then when the 22 ride opened up, it was like, oh, this is perfect because I was going to take a step back to Xfinity. And you know how that is. Once you already made a name for you and you take a step back, making that jump back up is nearly impossible. Someone else is in the process.

And if you do it's not a very good car. Someone else is already in the process, is already making their name going up. So you're going to get back in line behind them. Yeah, exactly. So I got lucky there for sure. That's good. Yeah, you have 12.48. Yeah.

I got to go to work. Hard stop. I think this is a lot of fun, but I got to walk a little bit too here. So the deal is if we win Bristol, you got to come back because we had Fido won. Fido came on and he's been on fire since. He won't. Yeah, he won twice. Ross comes on.

Ross wins. It's just how it goes. Well, hey, this is what I got to do every week. That's what I mean. You don't have problem with. I don't care. Right on the way to Penske. Kyle's not coming.

No worry. Well, you guys aren't going to invite him? How about we bring Clint on? Yeah, we'll bring Kyle and Joy all at the same time. Maybe I'll ride together this weekend. I mean, do you ever have Clinton here? I know, we need to win. We need to bring Clint away here next week.

Yeah, that's a good idea. He's been on here before. He has? Okay. We've called him. See, this is recorded weight. If Clint wins, right now is like, he's still feeling really good. Yeah, we have to record on like Wednesday.

They won Marsville. Brett had to Uber to get here in the morning. And we called Clint. He was going to Twin Peaks. Yeah. Lunch with a Vee. Clint was in good shape last week when I saw him. No surprise there.

That's a good shape. It was bad shape because it was after the good shape. Fun shape. Clint was in fun shape. You guys were doing all those four team building things, right? Yeah. I'm sure Clint's fun at those. He is.

He is. You know, Paul Bernard's a lot of fun at those. And I'm surprised to hear that. He's so quiet. He was telling me stories. And I was like, man, you wouldn't really guess that. Paul's a good guy. Yeah.

Paul is so quiet, like on the cameras and stuff. but when you get away, he's funny as heck, man. He's funny. He's a good dude. Yeah. Smart dude, too. Yeah, real smart dude. He is. Yeah.

He isn't getting enough credit for that. Well, thanks for coming. Thanks for having me. Anytime. Yeah. I feel bad for you. They never let you talk, do they? Honestly, my part comes later, so it's okay.

We're not listening to us. I don't talk too much because she has to do 20 takes on each one. Oh, my gosh. Are you serious? I do not do 20 takes. So what are you talking about? Okay. Okay.

You should have seeds so you can. stick up for me when they talk so much crack. You need some support. I agree. They're literally the worst. I'm usually pretty tame. Oh, Lord. Is it because Joey's here that you decide to... I feel like you made a comment to me or something and it... What did I say? I don't know. I don't know. We have some serious issue. Why do you guys have other sports football stuff? It's a racing show. We have our sponsor Pristine Auction, who sponsors Casey's husband and blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. We, uh, we've been on items every week. Okay.

And we've won these awesome. We just won another Thurmond Thomas. I know you probably know who that superstar is. I don't think he's ever heard of him. Probably not. Buffalo Bill's running back from like the 90s when they were... Who's that Buffalo Bill? Yeah, exactly.

You're going to be... It's that the Patriots play twice a year and then it's a blowout and then they win. Oh, I don't even watch this game. So when Tom Brady quits, we're going to start going to football games together. That's what we're going to go. But you have any... 22 merchandise to donate to the table. It's looking a little bare.

I mean, I could, yeah, I could bring some stuff up this way. He, he, we won't do this to the football. We need, so that was a Clemson Tigers football. Brett hates Clemson. I picked it specifically because Brett was being a jerk. And it was signed and everything. Yes. Yeah, but we don't even know that guy.

Yeah, well. That's a real like turd of a move right there. Thank you. Thank you. Can you just skip your meeting and stay on the show? He literally pulled a knife out. He pulled a knife out. here and stabbed it.

I tried to get it away. I almost took TJ's hand. I tried to, I'm better watch them. I don't need my hands anyway. But, no, thanks for coming. You know, if we win Bristol, you'll be back. I'll be back. I'll be back.

If you guys want me to be back, I'll be back. We've been trying to get you on here for two years. I know. And he wouldn't ask you. No. If you got to ask, I mean, how the heck I know? We were going to do it. Finally, I'm the one that had to do it, not TJ.

You were going to come on, and then we didn't want to do it because we didn't want any news to break. can burn. Remember when you're like, oh, maybe it's not a good idea yet? Oh, before you started that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, and then we kind of. And then we just put it off for a while. Well, anytime you want to come. If you ever want me back, I'm here. Like, we can tell Brett or T.J. That they can't come and then you can go in replacement of them. That's right. I mean, I need a super so. I could be the fill in. Yeah. Or your ass. Okay. Awesome. Thanks for coming, mine. All right. Thanks for coming. I'll see you.

Speaking of pristine auction, Brett, so what are we going to bid on? today since you destroyed the one I picked. Well, you didn't pick the right stuff. You didn't pick the Gamecock football. You didn't pick anything that I have a say in. I'm going with Post Malone this week. Yes. I'm not around.

Not around. Yeah. That's who we're going with. Post Malone. You definitely haven't been around for most of the shows. I'm saying. That's why he's my guy. I'm just saying.

I love Post Malone. I like Post Malone better before he got all this face tattoos, though. But pristine auction does give us an opportunity to go get autographed stuff, memorabilia, from who we want to get it from, and I'm picking Post Malone. Brett, they've got a signed photo, a signed microphone, or a signed CD. Dude, microphone, for sure. How much is that going for you think? It's only $20 right now. We'll put our bids end two days of an auction.

There's a couple of them, so if we don't get the first one, I'll try for the other one. Well, if we don't get that one, then just try for a photo. Try for both. If we win, if we win both, then I'll buy one myself. If we win, can you get us tickets to the concert so we can all go? I don't know anybody with Post Malone. I mean, you have to know somebody. I mean, Blake can do a collaboration.

Yeah, we'll get them to do a song together. Do you all like Post Malone? I do. I do. I do know who it is. I knew who Post Malone is. I do. I recognize that song, but I've never heard anything else.

Oh, geez. Jason. That's because you listen all that bro country. Yeah. I found a really good bro country playlist. It's been great. I'll bet you did. And TJ, we did one of your Thurman Thomas signed football last week.

It actually went for exactly $100 like we bid on it. I hope you won. Joey, I hope Joey comes back because we're going to put the Thermatomas football and the Buffalo. That's fine. It doesn't matter. I have a Bill's logo on it. So we'll put it right next to him. Old Patriots fan. Sure that you know this song, Jason.

Play some words. It's coming. I don't know when it's coming, but it's coming. Yeah. Yeah. How do you not like Post? How do you not know who Post Mal is? It's not bad.

It's not bad. I'm big country and alternate stuff. All right. Let's go into spot-on, spot-off. Spot-on, spot-off. He's spot-off. You don't like it. Spot-off, you don't like it,

and you say why either way. First topic, KBM drivers miss the truck series playoff. Spot-on, spot-off, TJ. TJ, did you think that Todd Gilliland... Spot on. Did you think that Todd Gilliland and Harrison Burton would miss the truck playoff being at Cowbush Motors?

I did not. Todd showed me enough speed in the races that he had run before that I thought he would, I thought he'd get in and be in the KBM trucks when Kyle gets in them, they're four-tenths faster than everybody else. Harrison, I was not sure on because he's pretty, he's pretty young. Yeah, and I think Harrison's done a really good job. He just made some mistakes himself and put him in a hole, and he couldn't get out of it. So I fully expect Harrison if he comes back next year, I don't know what their plans are.

He'll be very competitive next year because he made a lot of, rookie mistakes this year. You know, it's not easy to, it's not easy to come out and, and just win races. I mean, some of these guys, they set the bar high. Some of these guys that have come out of that truck, William, Noah. Sores. Yeah, they've come out of these trucks and winning races. Yeah.

I fully expect if they're both in them trucks next year, they'll win races. Yeah, I think, you know, we talked about this before. The common denominator of success for whatever reason at KBM usually has Rudy involved in the equation. So, you know, Harrison and our Gilland have that guy. I've spotted for both of these kids, and I think they both are talented. I really want to see Harrison do well. He's got a lot of good things lined up for next year. I think they're a little ways out on really putting everything on paper and getting it finalized.

But it sounds like that Harrison's going to have an opportunity to really do something special. And for me, like I've seen him run better in Exfinity when he gets in the Joe Gibbs racing car than I have when he runs that truck full time. So maybe that fits his driving style, maybe a little more horsepower in the way those cars drive fit his driving style a little better. All right, next question. Jimmy Johnson and Clint Boyer both crash and fall into deeper playoff bubble trouble. How about you, Brett? Spot off for us crash, and I saw Jimmy have his trouble. He actually was right behind us coming off a turn two, and he was being really aggressive

and trying to get to our bumper. And when he hit the bubble of air behind our car, his car took off and went and scrubbed the wall, had a flat right rear tire, and obviously gave him some trouble. So realistically, when you see that happen, all we really have to do the rest of the day is not screw up. And unfortunately, we managed to screw it up and cost ourselves a lot of points and certainly not where we want to be. I mean, Bristol is a place where we could certainly go win, a place we could go score a lot

of points. But it's also kind of like a Talladega that can be a wild card race in terms of, as Joey said earlier on the show, like we get in a lot of, that's a crazy racetrack. You got three lanes, a lot of wrecks, and wrecks there can be big, and you can get in somebody else's trouble in a heartbeat. You know, I like, I like that we have some drama in the bubble area there. It would completely suck to be in that area. You got to race so differently.

And you're, it's so hard because you just, you might get caught up in someone else's mistake so easily and it just really hurt your take out. I mean, you hate this to make this analysis, but I think you'll agree with me. Like, you literally go from playing on offense, which is what, you know, the 22 team's doing right now. In the 14 team, we're on this defensive mindset, and I think it sucks. I don't go about sports that way, you know, but when you get in this situation, strategically, it makes sense. But, like, it's not fun to play defense. You want to be on attack mode. You don't want to be on, you know, reserve mode, and let's be careful, and let's try to get all the points. Like,

I just want to go race and win the fucking race. So it's, to me, you're playing, you're basically playing pre-event defense. It's not fun. And it's not like. Most teams get scored on playing prevent defense. Exactly. So, and, uh, and, uh, But you also don't want to go and be really aggressive and make that big mistake either. That's what everyone's afraid of. But I think, you know, this system has created this drama, whatever you want to call it. I think it's great for the sport. You know, we got some storylines to follow.

We got things. We got the race for the regular season championship. We got the race for the playoffs at the end. And nobody knows who's going to run better than who in the next few weeks. You know, Newman's pretty good at Bristol. you know and the way how hard it is to pass there it could be Clint's going to be pretty good at Bristol I feel like that's one of his better tracks and you never know swares could just have a lot of speed and be really good as well so um I don't know it's going to be really interesting and entertaining we talked about this a little bit when joy was here a handful of cars run out of fuel in the final laps on sunday

spot on spot off TJ we're going with you uh just you know obviously I wasn't a fan of it, but it's just part of it. Michigan turns into a fuel mileage race sometimes, and it did, and we were on the bad end of it. You know, if we would have got a couple of cautions the last day or segment there, we could have probably been up there, and the four was a little bit better anyway, so, but I don't know. It makes it interesting. Yeah, I mean, I'm spot on for the storyline it creates for the TV personalities. I mean, they're able to really cover, you know, what's going on on pit road. Who's saving? Who's not saving? Who's being aggressive? Who's not, right? Obviously, Kevin and Rodney Childers did the best job out of everybody. I mean, to TJ's point, the four was the

fastest car at the end of the race. The four obviously made his fuel mileage work out. I think he took fuel only on that last stop. And great win for Stuart Haas racing. I mean, fuel mileage is always going to be good for some and bad for others and the guys that ran out. I mean, it sucks. I've been on both ends of this thing. And, you know, when your fuel stumbles, we've got a little bladder in there that we can flip a switch or the driver can flip a switch and it gets him back to pit road, but it's not going to get you to the end of the race. So I just think it's exciting for the fans that are watching. And if you're a Kevin Harvick fan, you're happy.

And if you're a fan of one of those guys that ran out of gas, you're not happy. Yeah. Let's take a break and see what's coming up on the Dale Jr. Download this week. The Dale Jr. Down. Listen up. When you're done listening to Door Bumper Clear, go listen and subscribe to my podcast, the Dale Jr. Download. This week, a true legend.

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Of course, every week, T.J. bids it's something Buffalo Bills. And poor Casey, she's just trying to make. fun of me and buy Clemson stuff. So go check out pristine auction. TJ, what all they got, man? Oh, man. Pristine auction obviously has great memorabilia for sports teams. We got an awesome tigers. I don't know where they're from. The logo got cut off. See you. I know they've got a lot of great stuff. They have many different auction types, including daily auctions with bid starting at just $1.00. And ending nightly. Also, the 10-minute auction, which is, one of my favorites is a great way to bid quickly and win some cool stuff.

Yeah, my favorite part is all the famous high profile people that I know that I've asked them if it's, you know, real. They're like, yeah, man, the authenticity's there. I signed all this stuff. As we know, Dale Jr.'s done it. My buddy, Post Malone, we're going to get us a nice little post Malone something, something this week. I saw TJ that Joy Lagano, man.

You guys had a Daytona 500 win photo. What did it go for? $9.71. Man, I can afford that. You can if you also sign up because you get $5. free when you sign up. So you'd only have to pay $4.71 out of pocket. $4.71.

To win a smiling Joy Legano. Daytona 500. Man, that's awesome. Actually, the first thing I asked Jason to bid on this week was a Bon Jovi item, and the price was kind of out of our reach. So it's good to know that some of those, you know, because I'm a memorabilia guy. I have some awesome memorabilia. I'm on it right now, looking up some items.

I have two Michael Jackson signed albums in my office that are phenomenal. and like pristine auction just fits my lifestyle. Sight Robertson from Duck Dynasty signed a photo. It went for 14 bucks. And man, it's just easy. I'm looking right now. Christopher Bell has a used visor from 1-1-dash for cash. Joey's on there.

There's quite a few, I think, Ryan Blaney's on there. And what's the code they need to get that $5, Brett? Clear. C-L-E-A-R. It's quick and free to register. And like we said earlier, use that code. C-L-E-A-R, you're going to get $5. And you're going to spend, once you get to the site, you're going to spend 20 minutes on it,

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Three racing questions. One off-the-wall question. 30 seconds to respond to each. Only 32nd. How are you going to stop with some talking? Good luck. Fast lane. First question.

Kyle Bush now leads Joey Lugano by 20 points for the regular season championship and the 15 playoff point bonus. Who will win it and will they then become the title favorite? Can you play the puk sound, Jason? Yeah. Jason, that was fast. You're on top of that. Yeah, it would have taken mass in like five minutes to find that. So we know how TJ feels about this.

Or that was him puking. I mean, I think T.J.'s got to answer the question. Who's going to win it? And if it's them, how? You know, we've swung for the fence in Michigan, obviously. And Kyle wasn't that strong. He just took advantage of others running out of gas and stuff. He was honestly a subpar day for Kyle up there.

You know, majority of the race, I saw him right around 12th. So kind of a subpar day for Kyle. But now we're getting ready to go to one of Kyle's backyards here. I kind of feel like we handed that race to them earlier this year. You know, we were leading with 20 to go and we passed Brad. We were going to win the race. And we just didn't, we thought more people would pit. But it didn't work out.

So I feel like it'll be a battle. It's going to be a battle to the end. Who has bad luck is what's going to figure this out? You know, we look at stage points right now and we talk about these bubble guys needing them, you know, guys like Clint, Jimmy Johnson, Suarez, Newman and those guys. But TJ, you know, and his team, Joey and Kyle and their team, They're doing the same thing. They want those stage points and stage wins as well because these top two or three guys that come out of regular season,

if they have a lot of wins and have a lot of playoff points, they almost have a bite of homestead unless they do something really bad or have, like TJ said, some really bad luck. So, I mean, you're chasing Kyle Busch. We all know just like TJ said how good he is at Darlington, how good he is at Bristol. And obviously, Indies are going to be a track position game like some of these other places that we've been. But I just think it's fun to see, you know, those guys that close together. I mean, we're going to run 23 races, and they're still right on top of each other. I think we finished second to Brad Darlington, didn't we?

Did you? I think so. Yeah. We were really, I think we were fast. We were fast, yeah, so, but we were good at Bristol, so it's going to be a battle. What is something you've learned in your career that you would go back and tell yourself when you first started spotting in the Cup series? Brett. Man, you always say you wish you knew then what you know now.

you know so I don't know I guess you know what I would probably tell my younger self you know because I came into the sport at 23 years old started spotting at 24 I was the youngest guy on the roof and won very quickly I think it was a sixth race I'd ever spotted in cup and I started in the cup series I didn't start in a lower series like a lot of guys do you know I've never done a late model race never done a truck race never done an exfinity race and here I am a cup spotter and won the sixth race with elli at Bristol so I think I would probably just tell myself, you know, hey, they're all not going to be this easy, you know, enjoy every win. And I certainly have done that later in my career. But early on, you know, you were so caught up in Monday morning what you had to do for your day job that I didn't necessarily always let it soak in. But that's probably what I've done. I guess I would tell myself to maybe for a long time, I probably, I probably, I probably took less than what I probably should have to work. You mean pay, compensation.

Yeah, I don't. And if I could tell myself to go back, I would probably, you know, just evaluate yourself better at the time and, you know, get what your worth. So I would probably do something like that. I mean, I think that's the hard thing for all of us is, you know, I mean, my first job in racing paid $30,000 a year. And there were people, you know, that were, doing a hell of a lot less and making a hell a lot more than I was at 23 years old.

You know what I mean? But I think to your point, we all just try to get in here however we can. And early in our career, it kicks our butts until we really get in here and establish ourselves and show what we're worth. And then once you show what you're worth, then it's kind of like you can be compensated for it. But, man, I feel you on the money thing. I just think that Eddie Wood gave me probably the best advice that I ever got in racing.

And if this were easy, everybody would do it. People don't realize how hard this sport is. Like if you're a fan of the sport and you go, man, I want to work in racing. The grind is unbelievable. I mean, you're talking 40 weeks a year on the road. I got home last night, you know, 11 o'clock. I mean, by the time you take a shower, lay down, you can't sleep because your brain's wide open. Yeah.

And next thing you know, it's 6.30 and you're up and running around and going again. So, I mean, it, and look, we love this job or we wouldn't keep doing it. No, nobody's forcing us to do it. But people don't always realize, you know, how hard it can be to maintain. maintain a job in this in this industry yeah i made some decisions off of uh you know what i my gut instead of i made worse financial decisions for myself but it felt right the decision that i made that i that i would have to live with so and it you know i didn't want there's a lot of friendships in the sport and you don't you know it's a shame that it comes down to that sometimes i saw somebody

asked a question this week and i don't think it made it on the jason's list and the question was um have you ever mentored any spotters? I saw that. And I can say that I've helped a lot of guys get jobs. You know, Freddie Kraft, when he moved over to Trevor Bain at Roush, I helped him get that job. Kevin Hamlin, when he started spotting for Casey Kane, helped him get that job. Probably the only guy really ever mentored, though, was Tyler Green. He's a guy, for whatever reason, just I ended up taking under my wing and telling him everything

that I had learned from the roof. And I did help him get the Jamie McMurray job, which ended up being with Kurt Busch now. So, to TJ's point, the relationships, the friends. And the reality is if Brett Keselowski needed a new spotter right now, he's going to call TJ and say, who's up there that I should talk to? Same thing from. I mean, I've had Kyle Bush call me. I've had obviously Casey Kane call me, Denny Hamlin. A lot of guys reach out to me and say, hey, I need a spotter.

Who should I hire? So we're involved on that side of the sport, almost as a consultant, you know, to some degree, too. Yeah, for sure. I don't think I've ever – you try to help. young guys sometimes when you go down there because sometimes these other guys don't realize who all is listening and like you said one of the sooner or later some of these guys are going need a guy and you don't you don't want them to just be off that list because of you know some of their decisions and stuff you know and they'll get crossed off list if they act like that

so I don't know you try to help them but some of these guys some of them some of the younger ones have attitudes kind of sometimes and they're just some of the older ones do too well They'll mouth back. Like, they're still caught up in the moment. So we're not driving the cars. And they still get emotional about it. You're still like, hey, you know, well, you hit us. We should wreck you.

I mean, no, that's, you know, you should calm your guy down rather than build them up, you know. So I don't know. The only guy that I, the only guy that I, that I stuck my head out for and got him a job here was Brandon Benish. Yeah. He was leaving, he was wanting to get out of Robbie Gordon, working for Robbie. and we needed a shop guy here. This is when I was working at Junior Motorsport spotting for him as well. And I had work with Brandon, and I think I felt bad

because I used to yell at him all the time when he was spotting for Robbie. I felt bad. So he was a really hard worker, and he was a really great hire, and he ended up taking over. He worked on the car. When I spotted for Danica, he was working on the car. And then when I moved on, he got an opportunity to go work with her, and he's made the best of it.

He's still doing works for Chris. Busher now. He's got a really reputable name. A great guy, and he's done really well. Yeah. This Saturday at Bristol marks 25 years since Terry Levani and Dailenhart's epic Bristol finish. Was this the best moment in Bristol night race history? And if not, what was? How about you, Brett? I mean, that's obviously a strong one. You know, people don't realize back then we didn't have a tunnel at Bristol. So when you would get wrecked or blow up or have a problem, you were literally forced to sit down. on that infield for the whole night. And I'll never forget leaving the racetrack that night at how loud the boos were.

It was 100,000 plus people booing Del Earnhardt with all the energy they had because he had wrecked Terry Labony, you know, and he said he didn't mean to wreck him, but he did. Man, that's a pretty awesome moment. But, I mean, when you look back over the years, there's been a lot of awesome moments at Bristol. Yeah, there's helmet throws, guys kicking cars. I mean, there's, I think that's where Greg and Kevin got into it before. Yeah. There's just always, your cars are close, man, cars are going to hit, guys are going to get mad,

and it's a bullring, so they can't get away from each other. And it's just great, short-tracking. Yeah, it produces great racing. And the old Bristol was more of an aggressive style of racetrack with the whole knock them out of the way and pass them, you know, bump and run, whatever you want to call it. Now you've got three, three and a half lanes. You literally can go around there.

It's a phenomenal racetrack. If you want to see a wreck fest, it's not necessarily what the old place was, but if you want to see one of the best races you'll ever see, this is it, man. These guys are working their tails off all night. And the cool part is we'll start on the bottom, then the top will come in, the middle will come in. Like, it's all over the place. It's super fun to spot there.

You'll get an idea on how good these guys really are at these racetracks as well. You'll see how precise they are going to be when they're trying to move some buddy where they're where I mean we're talking within a foot of like they're trying to I mean it's just impressive if you get into that just it's a great place to go and see it I couldn't imagine being a driver that sucked at Bristol though because there's nowhere to hide like I've been fortunate you know Elliot very good at Bristol Jeff Burton good at Bristol Clint Boyer good at Bristol I wouldn't want a spot for a guy that wasn't good there would you if you get damaged or something in the beginning like that's the worst so worst place

Off the wall question. A West Coast restaurant is looking for a bacon intern to make $1,000 in one day a week taste testing bacon. Would you rather quit your current job and take this or never eat bacon again? What do you think, T.J. So you make $1,000 a week. Like $52,000 a year. Not bad. Eating bacon every day, once a week.

Oh, man. Jason, how much money you think you're going to make when you get a real? job. Not $52,000 making it eating bacon. Making bacon. How much bacon? So you have to eat a little bit of bacon every day. No, it's one day a week.

One day a week. Taste test it. Oh, I'm doing it. You're a thousand bucks in a week. Yeah, I mean, you can work another job for other. Dude, I love bacon. I love the thicker you can cut it and go put it on my smoker. Man, I love bacon.

So I'd be down with this. Smithfield, Smithfield original or Smithfield-Fill thick-cut bacon are the two bacons that I buy the most of. but like the maple bacon. I'm not, I don't discriminate bacon. I love it all. Jason,

can you see if they can fly me out Mondays and bring me back on Tuesdays? To apply for it, you need to send a video in on Instagram or. Well, this is the video right here. Hey. Give me it. We should have told Joey you're quitting before you left.

Well, no, I'm not quitting. I'm just going to eat bacon on Monday and come back. Would you say, would you rather quit? Yeah, well, I mean, I'd make it work.

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when I got here, Bob Pockers was making fun of me yesterday because I say all the time how long I've been doing this, but the majority of car owners only had one car. You know, Richard Childress had two cars. Robert Yates was migrating toward two cars by adding the 88 car, but there weren't a lot of car. And then NASCA, you know, Roush ended up somehow or another with five teams, right? And then NASCAR freaked out and they made this rule that you could not own more than four cup cars and they set the year in which you had to be compliant. It gave Roush a few years to get aligned with the rule. But what they did then is they made this consolidation era take place where all the team

owners started buying and starting more cars to get to that number of four. So we lost, you know, the Woodbrothers, we lost Bill Davis Racing. We lost a lot of the owners that, you know, Robbery Yates racing, a lot of the guys that weren't able to get the four cars went out of business. And the Woodbrothers have since come back to full time, but there were several years there where they run a part-time effort. So I wish we'd have left the rule alone. I almost feel like, you know, we were built on free enterprise, and we were this great model for people to come in and play. But then we got mad because we said, well, nobody can just show up and play the Dallas Cowboys. We need this franchise model.

So now we have this franchise model, and it's almost like we're doing a socialism business model. You know what I mean? Where the guys on top or, I don't know, it's just, it's a weird feeling right now because when I got here again, you had 40 different owners you could go to work for. And now you've only really got about 10. It's just, it's very different. Yeah, I'd almost be okay with having, if you want six, get six. I mean, it's just going to, I don't know, I'm fine. It's going to get to a point where you can't you don't want too many because then you're going to have too much competition within your own company.

So I don't know. What's different is, you know, when we had 40 owners, they were building, you know, their own chassis and their own motors and their own bodies and they were doing all this stuff. You know, kind of what we're migrating toward is you got to buy your hood from this vendor. And like they're making more common parts and suppliers. So, I mean, it almost would be easier now to own. more teams than it would have been, you know, back in the day. Yeah. All right. Next question is submitted from O'Berry 304, who first mentions that you had a great article in the athletic Brett. Then asks, what are some of the other almost was scenarios that didn't happen between drivers and teams?

Man, I gave me as much insight as I could give you. I don't know what more you want. I mean, I will say this. You know, we had a moment in Elliott's career when he left the Wood Brothers and ended up going to Robert Yates Racing, where he almost went to Dell Earnhardt Incorporated. That's when Steve Park was having some issues, and they were looking to fill a seat there. We worked very closely with Ty Norris back then, and Ty Norris was always a great guy for me in my career. We've crossed paths a lot of different times on the business side and the spotting side, and he's always been somebody that I would lean on for experience and expertise. When DEI was doing its best post-Dell Earnhardt crash, it's when Ty Norris was at the helm,

and then Teresa kind of came back in and screwed the whole thing up. But, man, there's a lot that goes down. I mean, TJ, or not TJ, Joy just said on the show, and I knew this because I was involved in some business things that made me cross paths with what Joy had going on. And when Joy said, if he didn't get the Roger Penske Cup ride, he was going to end up back in the Xfinity series running full-time for Gibbs. You know, Montoya had a chance to get the 78 furniture row car that Martin Truex ended up getting. So, I mean, guys turned down jobs all the time, and you don't really ever.

hear those scenarios, but sometimes when you see rumors come out on J-Skey or wherever that don't actually come to fruition, it's because it came out too early and it screwed up things for people because there's a lot of moving parts and pieces that happen in this garage. And if one thing gets misaligned, it can disrupt the whole thing. Last one is from Brew Grosch. Knowing that with a championship and top tier team, you have plenty of funds to buy some crazy stuff like down in these basketball court, what is the wildest thing you have ever paid for and What purchase do you regret? TJ.

Oh, man. The regret right now is probably buying a drone since it hit the side of my neighbor's house a couple weeks ago. Your drone did? What? Yeah. You bought a drone. I've had it for a while. Okay, you were flying it.

Oh, yeah, I thought I was flying it. And you drove it, you flew it right into the house. Uh, yeah. Did it do damage? To my drone. House one, drone zero. Yeah, no, it destroyed by it. It was brick.

Brick versus drone Brick wins How much is a drone How much is a good drone? I'm assuming you got a good drone Yeah You're gonna spend anywhere from Probably a thousand

To 13, 1,400 Ooh I'm not happy about it So your drone's killed Oh it's killed Yeah You can't get You can't

Is it under warranty For that kind of stuff? I've had it for two many years I started looking up Websites or whatever That I can maybe send it off to And maybe I mean

If you got to pay a couple hundred To get this thing fixed It's probably worth it at that point Yeah. I saw a video of a guy that his drone's battery was dying. It was a real wake. And so he had to like swim out and catch the drone right before it hit the water. He must have swam 25 yards under this lake.

Well, his drone's battery is dying. And it's just slowly going down. He gets to it about six inches before it hits the water. And the drone's recording the whole time. It records the whole time. So, yeah. People don't realize, man, Denny's basketball court is nothing compared to what Denny Hamlin's bought. Yeah.

I mean, he's got. like his Daytona 500 cars in his living room. He built a room on his next door's living. That's nothing. Denny Hamlin is, uh, Denny Hamlet's bought a lot of stuff. I would say probably the only thing I really ever waste of money on is I bought a a Harley Vrod and I never rode the damn thing.

And it set my garage and collected dust. I paid about 20 grand for it and I sold it for five. So I lost $15,000. And I'm telling you, I didn't ride it 5,000 miles in 15 years. What an idiot. Yeah, that's pretty much an idiot. All right, who wins this shirt? Which question was best this week?

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All right. Anything you ran about? No, man. I mean, yeah, a little bit. Just real quick. Yeah. If you're... You know what?

Never mind. No, do it. Say it. So when you got a groove that's a momentum racetrack and you catch cars, like we talked about it before, why do they wait until you get there to get side by side? I don't know, man. Or if you know you're going to slide up off the corner, like you need the room off the corner, and here they are, just right there. You can run the same speed almost.

They're running. They can run the same speed where they're at right there if they just move down and you don't kill people's runs and you don't. I mean, it changes races. It's so hard. Who was in a 53 yesterday? Spencer Boyd, first career cup start. Yeah. He finally got part.

Yeah, that. I mean, just, listen, it's not. I'm not going to buy this. I can't run the bottom. We can't run the bottom. Yes, you can. You can run lower and move out of, when cars are coming to a place like Michigan or a mile and a half,

anywhere really, if you've got to lift off the corner for a lapped car, you're in trouble. Yeah. You're in trouble. It kills you. And you can't lift really on entry because that guy's going to drive up to you and maybe get inside of you,

force you up behind that guy. Something's going to go down. So the way to around this is, lift early, roll to the bottom, and just let everybody mowed around by and move back up, get in the draft. There was cars that were repetitively not adhering at all.

That's their choice, but that's just, there's no drag... That's so aggravated to the hell out of me. I feel you. I feel you. Man, I'm telling you what, though, DBC picks, I had you all day yesterday, right until Amarola and Hemrick got together. That's basically like all my losses to you,

which I had you in basically all of them. So T.J. 1 with the Benedetto over Brett's Hemrick. I'm going to go. I know what you're going to do now. You're going to pick Di Benedetto. No, we're going to Bristol. And I feel like this guy got a stage win earlier in the year at Bristol. And I feel like he needs a good run.

So I'm going to go out on a limb here and pick Tide Dillon. Sweet. I'm really glad about that because I'm going to go ahead and take Hemrick. Hemrick in the house. And then what do we got after that? Darlington? Darlington. And Indie.

We got three more and I'm literally out of drivers. I'm going to go with Minard after this anyway. Yeah. I figured you would. I haven't watched a movie in a week, or a couple weeks. Let's just name one real quick. What am I going to watch? Anything.

Revenge of the nerds. I don't know. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. That's a pretty good one. Sounds good. Venger the nerds. All right. Thanks for joining us.

Hopefully, Joey wasn't too boring. He was in a good mood to have run out of gas and lost the race yesterday. He's always in a good mood. He's always in it. I mean, you can only do what you can do. I mean, if I was a cup champion and one, a lot of races. I'd be in a good move, too. We got another race next week. I just, I mean, I'm really surprised that he watches racing lives. That was, if you would have told me when we started

this show that Joy Lugano was going to tell me he watched racing wives, I would have said, no, you're, no, no, there's no way. He just had to hear T.J.'s's appearance on it this week. It doesn't surprise me that he watched it. I'm, I'm surprised. I'm not going to watch it for those of you were listening. I think you just need to watch. I watched it once just see what went down. It's so fake and so dramatic. I would run my ass across a cheese grater before I would watch that show. Yeah, I mean, All right, I gotta go. We're out. See you.

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