Door Bumper Clear - 151 - Outhouse to the Penthouse

Episode Date: September 16, 2019

The DBC gang returns from Las Vegas to cover an action packed weekend in Sin City.  They discuss Kyle Busch running into the Garrett Smithley, Daniel Suarez‘s contact with Joey Logano, Matt DiBenedetto’s new ride, drivers caring what their peers think and roughing up the competition at Richmond.   Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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app or go to anchor.fm.com to get started. That's A-N-C-H-O-R-F-M to get started. Thorbup for a clear. I'm Casey Boat, and we are fresh off the plane from Las Vegas, literally fresh off the plane, ready to discuss everything from opening playoff weekend. We've got Kyle Busch running into the 52 car, Joey Logano's contact with Suarez, ruffing other drivers up at Richmond, and tons more. Let's go. Hi, PJ Majors. This is Brent Griffin. Get ready. Be ready, be ready. Be ready. Be ready. Live. New leader.

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George, bumper, clear. Woo! Hey, everybody. I am T.J. Majors. It's part of the 22 cup car, 99 truck. Full house today. Brett Griffin, I would rather be hung over than sleep deprived. And I am sleep deprived today.

I slept from 7.30 a.m. Eastern time until about 11 a.m. Eastern time. Almost missed the show. I mean, I literally almost slept through it because I didn't set an alarm. I forgot. I had a podcast. Dang. Nonetheless, I'm here, spotter for Clint Boyer out in Las Vegas and Elliot Sadler in his grand finale race. And as always, our hostess with the mostus.

Hey, guys. Casey Boat here. And let's not forget to say hi to producer Jason in the back. What's up? Jason's in a house. Did you see the way Casey kind of gave this sexy shoulder? older thing right there? I don't know. Sometimes I just...

The little nerd to booth over here. What was that? What was that? What was that? What was that? Yeah, what is that? I don't know. What is it called?

Shake it, shake it. It was fun, though. Something like that. Salt Shaker. Old people dancing. I can't sit still. It was a shoulder bop, but I don't remember what they called it. Well...

It wasn't the dougy. It's not the duggie. Teach me how the dougie. Teach me how to doggie. Oh, anyways, so fresh off of Las Vegas. I slept from 830 to 10. Does that count? This morning?

Did you sleep on the plane any? Like, like maybe 45 minutes at most. I got upgraded. I flew commercial out. So when I saw what time that race started, I just decided to fly commercial home because I thought I'd get home

about the same time the team did. And they upgraded me to first class. And I left my freaking iPad on the phone, on the plane. I got off the plane. I was like, damn, I don't have my iPad. You can't complain. I fly commercial every week.

They have it? Yeah, I went back and had it. Oh, they wouldn't let me go back down the jet way to get it, though. No, once you go past the, like, Like deal, you can't get off. The lady had to let the whole plane leave. So I was sitting in the front row and I had to watch the whole plane leave before she

I said, somebody's going to see my iPad laying there and get it and put it in their pocketbook and I'm not going to have an iPad. Sir, I can't go down there until the whole plane is empty. I was like, great. Welcome to my life every week when we travel commercial. Don't bring an iPad. Well, I'll just remember it. Although a few weeks ago, I left my suitcase on the plane, so I really can't tell me.

Your whole suitcase. I was so tired I just walked off It happens When did you come home? Yesterday But like Like yesterday afternoon

By the time With the time change Like I have no clue What time it is right now I think I would rather fly The next day than red eyes Red Eyes are so terrible I can't do a red eye anymore

Like I thought about doing one on Saturday night They kill your whole day I know And you still You'll just sleep the entire time So I figured Might as well sleep at night A little bit

Although we got back from the track Super late Because we had like Playoff photos and Fitzgerling took longer, so I slept like 30 hours. I watched the sun come up on my drive home, and I walked in my house. The youngest was up already. What times do you get?

What times do you walk in my house at 645? Okay. All right. So, uh, yeah, but did you really sleep on the plane? Uh, like 45 minutes. If you were listening. I can't sleep on planes, man. I can't either.

I'm just scared. I'm going to die. It's, I'm not scared. What? I can't get comfortable. I don't like it. What is one thing I do there? It's crowded.

It's hot. It's a bunch of guys. Here's what I love about our team planes, right? So we'll get on our team planes. It's 50 guys. We're all hot, sweaty, 103 degrees all day. Hey, what do we got to eat on the way home? Biscuit and baked beans.

I'm like, oh, no. That sounds great. Oh, it's going to smell great in about 30 minutes after you take off. One of the longest flights of the year, too. That's great. That's great idea. Well, so how was the... Actually, I want to know what your favorite Las Vegas story not on track was.

Oh, yeah, right. Because you, Brett, you were there since, like, Tuesday, right? Are you talking just this weekend? Yeah. Oh. Well, no. All time? We can't.

All time would be great. I can't tell all times. I know. I can't tell the top ten all times. No. Why not? No. You, the listeners want to hear this.

What's yours? You guys first. Oh. Yeah, it's called no. Oh, whatever. Fine. How about this week? How is?

How was Vegas this weekend? Wait a minute. I'll tell you one real quick. Vanilla ice in concert. Ooh. That was pretty awesome. Nice. Yeah.

You went to vanilla ice? I don't think we meant to go because he was there. He was just there singing when we got there. And there was an insane clown dancing as part of his show. Yeah. And the dude would like grab water bottles and just start spraying him everywhere and rocking out. It was one of the best shows that I've been to. Yeah.

I mean, my favorite part, and I'm not trying to get out of. in your fields. But, you know, my favorite part was certainly Elliot being there. You know what I mean? Because I haven't seen him a whole lot. We hung out of Myrtle Beach a couple months ago for a few days. But just having him back was special. Obviously, it's his last race. He's taught me so much, and we've spent so much time together at the track, and I missed having him there. So it was just cool. You know what I mean? Like, he was like the dad and brother. I didn't have around all the time. My brother was a lot older than I was or a lot older than I am. I got one problem with this. What is it? The hair. Elliot's hair. Yeah, what was that all about? Yeah, man, I don't know what was going on with his hair,

but, I mean, he got me into hunting. Like, there's just so many things that he's done for me in my life. I'll never be able to get back. So to have him there and go to dinner every night and hang out. That was the special part. I mean, you know, my cousin was in town Tuesday night from California, and her name's Sarah. T. T.J.'s met Sarah before. before he was married and he kind of had a he was kind of crushing on her she was hot yeah yeah and uh she she's pretty hot she's way better looking than him and she's wild so she um Tuesday night yeah she uh she we got after it Tuesday at the planet Hollywood pool nice i'll tell you one thing that i learned from Elliot um I cannot wait for the power to go out in my house when I'm home because I'm gonna look I look

I look at my wife and bay we don't have any current no current the current's out I'm like there ain't a freaking river in here bud what are you talking about That means you don't have power. Just to get the reaction because they're going to look at you like, what is current? What is current? No, we don't have any current. That's what they say up there.

Call my friends up the street. Hey, you guys got current. Wow. You guys got current up there? I call Junior. He's five minutes up the road. You got current. But anyway.

How was the racing, I guess? I mean, you guys both had some challenges, I would say, on track. Yeah, Clint won the poll on Friday. Clint did win the pole, and that was probably the first sign that we were going to have a weird race, right? I mean, because that's certainly not normal. First time in 12 years? I got a text from his bus driver who wasn't out there, and he was like, that was a 4,383 no pole run that we just solved. That's a lot of days.

But here's, man, I don't know if they talked about it on the broadcast. I don't know how much it got out, but he found out right before the race that his grandmother had passed away. So, you know, he took his name off the door and put grandma above the door and went out and did his job to the best visibility. I was a little concerned about the race on Friday because our car had a lot of speed, but I felt like it didn't have a lot of grip and a lot of turns. So, yeah, that kind of proved to be the case. But, I mean, the damn guy running, the guy that qualified second running our door on the very first lap, he's our freaking teammate. we come down the front stretch, almost up against the wall.

And T.J. I'll tell you that's not where you run there. The fastest way is to go near the apron. We're up against the wall trying to get away from him, and he's still running our door. Like, I couldn't believe what I was watching. I went down there to Raines who spots for Suarez, and I'm like, well, what was that?

He's like, dude, if I was Clint, I'd be mad. I was like, we are mad. Yeah. I mean, you're not the only one that he got. He got you, too? Oh, yeah. We're talking about that a little bit. Yeah, we won't get into that, too.

much. I, you know, I don't, you want to qualify, you want to qualify good, but it's a double edge sword at these, at these places now with this package. If you're going to, you know, we're all, it's weird because in the beginning, everyone was trying to get trimmed out and you're trying to go as fast as you can. Like in the beginning of the year, we go to Vegas and the three and eight, first handful of races with this package, the three and the eight were fast. Right. Got in the race, really struggled in the race. Um, you know, now you can look down the order and you can, you can tell because it's like company qualifying yeah one company is here then you know then you got the 34 38 they're together and you know we were all um we were all 19th to 22nd right um boy you didn't

stay back there long no we you know you were flying that first time it was amazing how much grip you had yeah we uh you know you want to you want to handle really well and we and that's all we really focused on. We're just handling really well all weekend, and we weren't sure where we were going to qualify. You really didn't care, I don't think. No, we didn't. You don't really, not at that point. You do for pit selection, but you do a little bit, but the stalls there are so big. Yeah. There's not really a huge advantage. You know, I watched Harvick, who, same thing, obviously, qualified really well. In my mind was about an eighth place race car, six to eight-place car. He and Brad, Brad ran 20th all night. He put on two tires at the end with Harvick, and they literally, same

their days. Like they could, Brad was not going to have a good night. 12 as well. When they made that two-tire call, those guys got up there and track position was so important. And, man,

kudos to their crew chiefs because that two-tire call there to put them in the front was a big deal for them. There's no way Brad Kesslowski was running top five after seeing how he ran all night. No, and, you know,

we took four there and we were seventh and got pinned on the bottom a little bit and just got back in the pack and got run onto the apron in the three. And then a few laps later were making some ground.

back up and we just guy comes up like we're not even there so who was that who came up the one that came up into you oh sweris yeah and it wasn't um there was just a lot going on at that time and and uh i guess he wasn't told that we were there we did you know how they get the big runs on the high side yeah and if you're not if you're not talking it's harder just to key up and kind like you when that's coming you got to be counting it down from a while back yeah like you Three starts were nuts. On the broadcasts, we kind of saw a little bit. They were talking about Joey showing his displeasure to Suarez.

At one point, what was he saying over the radio to you? He was mad, obviously, because you just got running to the wall. I mean, you know, nobody likes to be running to the wall. You know, you're out there running your race, and it's tight at times, but you expect everybody to keep control of their car. And, you know, he was mad, and Daniel didn't know we were there. And, you know, there was an apology given. And that's all you can really do.

And you can't sit there and you can't sit there and get involved in it. If we get into a match with him at that point, it's not. You know, there's bigger picture things here. So we got to, you know, you just got to gather your stuff up and move past it and fix your car, get all you can get. And we ended up getting back to ninth, which is, I thought, pretty good at that point. So that's all you can really do. You can't, that's something you talk to him later about or something, you know,

maybe call him this week or go see him at the track next week or, something like that. But, you know, if he didn't, you can't blame the guy. If he didn't know you were there, I think that's a little bit different scenario than what happened with you. Yeah, what's your shirt say? Ride or die, about 9 p.m. or so. What does that mean? Yeah, what's that mean? A DMX shirt? What? Until about 9 p. Or so? Until about 9. What does that mean? She's old. Yeah. It means you go to bed at night? More of a day drinker.

What is the, oh, there's another word in front of ride. I can't see for the microphone. I'm ride or die. ride or die until about 9 p.m. or so. What a housewife. What? It's just a shirt. Did you go to bed by 9 in Vegas? Definitely not.

What you do? It was fun. Yeah, that had a little... What's the not? What's the not part? I will say... You're either in bed at 7 or you're embedded 2. No, yeah.

We just, I mean, just went out to dinnerly and there's like a really cool... Where'd you go to dinner? What was your best dinner? Have you been to car mines? It was just a low-key, general place, but it's a really well-known restaurant in New York. And then when I went to New York, we went there, and then they had one in Vegas at Caesars.

And so we went to that, and it was honestly so good. Yeah, so much good food out there. There is a lot of good food. It's hard to beat. All right. Shall we see what we're going to bid on from Christine Auction? Yeah, so we bid on a Richard Petty photo last week, but I got outbid at literally the last second of the auction.

I was, like, keeping it up. putting up the bid, but then we got out bids. That's not acceptable, Jason. I can't help. But literally, I was ready to, like, win it, and then all of a sudden said you were out bit. Hey, speaking a, speaking a win, what happened to you and T.J. playing basketball for $100. I'm still actually, I have my doctor's appointment next week to get cleared to play sports again

so I can start training. I'm down. I'm down almost 10 now. I'm getting it back into the form, Jason. Well, we'll keep you up. That'll happen pretty soon. Dude, you still don't have clearance to play basketball? I can't play sports until this, like, six months after the,

Well, you're going to suck when you start back because that's a long break. Yeah, so I need some time to recover. Oh, my God. What do we have we can bid on today since we're not bidding on autographed Jason Schultz basketballs? Jason's broke on or whatever. Those be up on pristine auction pretty soon. So we've got a couple options of different signed photos here. We've got a Bill Elliott signed photo, a Richard Childress signed photo, or a Kale Yarbrough sign photo.

Oh, it's got to be Kailer Bill, in my opinion right now. I like Kale Yarbrough. He's a South Carolina sand lapper. Let's go for kale. Is it? What's he wearing? So it's him crossing the finish line for the Daytona 500. And the Hardy's car or what car?

I can't tell. It looks like Hardie's, but it's a little blurry. So 28 car? Yes. Let's get that. It's also a nice black and white photo. So that'll look awesome on the table. Jason, when the last bid is getting ready to go off, just up at like $3 or something.

Yes, I'm prepared. Are we missing something on the table? Yeah, are we missing some? It's wrong last football? You want to admit to this theft? No, I haven't stole anything. I'm not. So remember we had the Clemson Tigers' little cut out from the football?

It's gone missing. I haven't seen it since I cut it out. But it's been sitting on the table. I just don't know where it will. That's stupid anyway. I'm glad it's gone. Well. So you don't want to admit to it yet?

I don't have it. I don't want that shit. You probably threw it out. Yeah, that's what I'm up. You don't have it. Clemsonsons play my school's team this weekend. It's going to be a mess. Yeah, it's going to be ugly.

It's going to be ugly. UN.C. C's going to upset Clemson. Do you honestly think that's a possibility? Would you like to see that? Yeah, your best player wouldn't even be on their practice squad. Yeah, this is not going to go well. Not going to go well. Happy thinking. Let's go. Yeah. Kick it, Casey. Spot on, spot off. He's spot off. He's spot off. You don't like it. Spot off. You don't like it. You don't like it. First topic, Kyle Bush's post-race interview after running into the back of the 52 car. Jason, you want to read it? short answers to Jeff Gluck or the media members that were around.

But then his last quote was, I'm answering the dumbest effing questions over and over again. And then he just left. Spot on, spot off. Brett, that's for you. You know, I'm spot on for how candid he was. But if I'm his sponsor that's paying tens of millions of dollars, that's not a cheap team to run.

That's a very, that's one of the biggest sponsors in the sport. and for him to display this much not give a crap about the championship and about the race and about the effort, that's my phone call, right? You know, the fact that he's upset I can relate to as a competitor, the fact that he handles some of it that way I can relate to as a competitor, the fact that he managed the whole interview process, the way that he did. Marciaun Lynch was there yesterday, Beast Mode,

and this is how he handled all of his interviews. So maybe he and Kyle had Brexon. us together or something, but we don't live in that world. We don't live in that space. And given the fact that this is the first race of the playoff and we're all trying to go out there and put our best foot forward and win a championship, he still had a top 10 day. He drove into the back of that car. You know, when I watch that replay, I watch him enter the corner in the same line that that car was running. I watch him roll faster than that car and drove right into the back of Garrett Smithley. And TJ and I have a lot of times on this show,

said those lap cars race stupid. I don't think Garrett Smithley did a thing wrong. Yeah, I'm spot on for how, you know, how colorful he is with his, you know, with his words. But it's got to be aggravating for reporters and stuff. You can't get it. You're asking the guy a serious question. And you can't get a, you know, how about a serious answer maybe with some, a little bit of, you know, added to it? But he wouldn't even really give them an answer.

Or even just show appreciation for the fact that they're trying to. I mean, these people are trying to do their jobs. Yeah, even though he gave them plenty of content to post with that right there. But you're not getting any real material. You're just getting, okay, this guy's being a jerk right now. But, you know, I'm glad he's very colorful, but he did just drive directly into the back of that guy. And, you know, he said he was told that guy has been running the top, which we do that. You say, okay, we're catching this guy.

I mean, he's going to run at this corner. He's been running the top. I mean, in my opinion, you know, he's been running the top. A lapar in the middle there is almost better than, you know, I mean. He was giving, it almost seemed like he was giving Kyle the better line, knowing that he was coming. He still drove straight into the back of him. If we leave here and we're driving down the road and I hit you in the back of your car, it's square in the back of your car, whose fault is it? It's mine.

Yeah. Well, I know that windshields are clear, so you can see out of them. Yeah. So, you know, I know Garrett and them, they weren't. They were off the pace, but. they weren't stopped. They were, and this is a wide racetrack. I mean, it's a really wide racetrack.

It's four lanes. You could run four wide easily. Yeah. And, you know, I don't think, I don't think Garrett did anything wrong. He didn't, he didn't have any abrupt lane changes. That's what I would have had a problem with. If he would have, if Kyle would have went in there and, you know, he aimed to go a little bit higher and Garrett moved up through three lanes into that path, I would have an issue with that. Yeah.

You followed him into the corner and you hit him. What's he supposed to do? If he would have done this and been knocked out of the race and as soon as he crawled from his car had this attitude, I would be more acceptance. I would have more acceptance with it. But he did this. He came back to a top 10, still scored a lot of points, had a decent day, had a lot of time to think about it. To get out of the car and have that attitude at that point, man, I don't have a lot of patience for that. Del Jarrett, Jimmy Johnson.

There's a lot of champions that we could name that certainly. would have handled that a lot differently, given the amount of time that he had to get his composure back. If he couldn't get, that's, I mean, that's been Kyle's problem. He's got more talent in my mind than potentially every single driver out there. But the mental aspect of it, he can, he can't, Jimmy Johnson's tougher than he is. Garrett, Smithley and Joey Gase were talking about what Kyle said to them after the race. Joey Gase was in the race yesterday? That's good that you didn't know that because that means he wasn't in the way. Yeah, good for him.

So in response to Kyle's comments, Zach Albert tweeted this, Joey Gaye said, any day if he wants to switch cars, I'd be happy to. And Garrett Smithley said he's never been in the position we've been in, so he doesn't know how that goes. That's the way I see it. Joy Gates doesn't want to switch cars. No, he'll probably get embarrassed. Yeah.

They actually should do that now. I can tell you this, the guy that's going to get in Joey Gase's car is not going to be very happy after one lap. No. And I mean, I... But Kyle Busch would run eight-tenths, five, Then Joy Gates can run in that car. He would run faster, but he's not going to be happy.

No. You might as well, if you're spotting for him for that race, go ahead and turn your radio off. Yeah. It's not going to be pretty. Yeah. That'd be a great interview after that one. Oh, totally. Yeah.

Kyle, how's your day? Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. Yeah. Probably. Next one. Lugano receives damage after contact with Suarez. Spot-on, spot off. This one is definitely for UTJ.

I have no idea how I can spot on that. Yeah, spot off. It was avoidable, but it happened and stuff happens on the racetracks, and you can sit there and get mad at it all day, but there's nothing you can do about it after it happens. So when you made it four wide getting into three on the bottom, did he run you on the apron, or did you get tight because he was tight on you? What happened there?

I only saw one quick replay. So we got inside probably the 70, 75% mark of the straightaway. We got inside on the bottom. So you didn't dive bomb him. You didn't kamikaze him? No, there was room. Everyone just kept turning to the corner, and it was a 37 that was outside of us, and then he was on the outside of the 40.

He raised us like a dick yesterday. Well, we... 37. Yeah, we... And the 41. I think it was just not enough messages. I think the 41 had the 37 crowd a little bit, and a 37 just crowded us, because there was room when we got there.

They just kept coming down, and that really wasn't... Two non-playoff guys. Yeah, and, you know, we got... got to the end of the first stage there and we were catching some lap traffic up there. And instead of trying to knife all the way through it, we just kind of, and being smart, you didn't want to try to get around them. Those guys are going to race you super hard at that point. We had a seven-second lead.

Those guys are going to race you super hard. You know, there's a, we were just kind of trying to play it smart and play it good. And the 37 was the one in front of us. Okay. And, uh, so you had two run-ins with a 41. Uh, I don't, it, in a three, I think we're just racing. I don't think. Okay.

I mean, we got in there at a three-quarter mark. By the time, some of them guys said it, some of them guys were probably already thought, knew where they were going to turn it to the corner. Yeah, okay. So I just think that was racing. And obviously, Daniel didn't know we were outside of them there off of two. So, you know, it just happens. It's racing.

Yeah. Sometimes you're in the wrong spot at the wrong time. Sometimes you're the windshield. Sometimes you're the bug. Should non-playoff guys be more aware that they're racing around guys going for the championship? I think they are for the most part. It depends on if you want to be that guy, right? Yeah, I mean, there's some guys out there that don't care if you do that guy.

To me, Chris Busher doesn't have a job next year. Daniel Suarez doesn't have a job next year. So they're racing for their livelihood, Jason, right? So, I mean, they don't really care about playoff guys. They care about how they're going to pay their bills next year in my mind. I mean, honestly, staying on the lead lap and not losing a lap at certain points and on resarts and stuff, you know, you got to get all you can get. It's, it's, it's, uh,

restarts were insane. Yeah, and it's, I don't know, man, you never know when them cost you're coming out, you're going to come out, you never know when you're going to get that, that, that break, man, you never know. And you've got to fight every, you've got to fight every lap like it's your last lap. Yeah. Next one, starting parks can't park anymore or they make less money. Spot on, spot off Brett.

Man, it, uh, you know, I mean, we talk about on the show all the time, how, how far off the pace they can be. And at the same time, a lot of a lot of races, they're what makes it exciting, you know, especially in the Xfinity series where there's a lot of them. But the starting part model changed. NASCAR said if you don't run a certain percentage of the laps and you guys keep pulling off for no reason, we're not going to pay you. And I think when you look at the model of that, it is a big spot on because it requires those guys to put forth a bigger effort where I think NASCAR has a tough spot. And we've talked about it. And we've talked about it. And we've talked about this before is making sure those guys maintain minimum speed. And if they're not,

they got to go. And I still wouldn't pay them. Because if your car hasn't been damaged and your car and your driver aren't capable of making minimum speed, I'm sorry. But that means you suck at your job. And when you suck at your job, you get fired. You don't get paid. So I think that there's got be maybe they go revisit that if I'm running that side of the things. Yeah, there's a, some guys found ways to get cars into the race and make a living off. this by not running his main laps, not putting the main laps in their equipment, and parking the car, getting purse money for it, you know, and some guys have made a really good living off of this, and nothing wrong with it. If it fit the system, they didn't do anything wrong.

That's just how they didn't have enough money to fund the team for competitive race, so they were doing the best they could. But I do think it's a step in the right direction as far as being competitive cars out there, because let's be honest, when you watch a World of Outlaw race, when does it get exciting when you catch the traffic? Yeah. The guy in second catches back up and guess who's on the edge of their seat? Everyone in them grandstands, everyone watching. I mean, you know when a leader gets to traffic and seconds starts closing in them,

that keeps it, you know, tighter. And if you have starting parks, you lose that, you lose some of that effect. I know when you catch these guys, you're not going to be happy getting held up by them costs us stage two. You know, we caught some lappers and we got held. up a little bit the 19 gets rounds with two to go. But, I mean, that's, it's not fun when you're on that end of it, but it's what fans want to see. It makes it exciting.

The difference between a starting park team and a team like TJ and I work for is when I spot for the 10 car with Elliott Sadler, they're not there to make money. They're there to race, and they hope racing well ends up making them profitable. The starting park guys are there as a business. They're there to make money. They're not buying tires. They're not buying cars. They're not investing in engineering.

They're trying to make money. So it's a whole different model. But NASCAR is trying to hold them accountable to earning that starting spot by saying you got to race. But they have to race to the expectation of actually being racing, not just riding around out there in a rental car. You know what I mean? Fair. Matt Debenedetto to take. Wow.

I said that. Just like Brett does. Matt de Benedetto to take over the 21 ride in 2020 after Paul Menard retires. Spot on, spot off. Brett, because I want to hear you say his name. Matt de Benendetto. Matt Debenadetto? Matt de Benedetto.

Brett, it's like an extra N. You're like D. You're like D. Benidetto. This guy just went from the outhouse to the penthouse. Like he went from living in a trailer to living with Hugh Hefner. And I'm not speaking poorly about the 95 car. I'm speaking poorly about the fact that he just got fired. And he is getting in with one of the best organizations in NASCAR.

So, and he's never won a race, right? Like he's never want to race. I think it is so cool that Paul is the one who recommended that he. Well, Paul's the wealthy owner or the wealthy sponsor guy. Right. But the fact that it was a simple, like, this, well, I mean, it's probably a little bit more complicated than what they're saying. I think it's a good fit. Yeah. I think it's a good fit. I think Matt has bet on himself a couple times or he's done, he's taken the path of, he's bet on himself.

And he put himself in some spots and now it's paying off for him. TJ told y'all earlier in the year that Paul Menard was going to retire. No, I didn't. Yeah, he did. I asked, I asked Freddie if somebody was going to go in that car. Oh, well, I just got a 14 year old, put those words in my mouth. which is awesome. He did take the credit. Well, we did hear months ago that he was going to retire.

And obviously, Paul. It's been talked about for a couple years. Paul is right doing his thing. You know, I know that Paul still wants to come back and do some racing. And I think that there's a lot of, you know, going to be a lot of pressure on Matt to win races and make the playoff. And if you're in that car, you should be expected to make the playoff. That's a good car. It's a quality ride.

It's a big break for this guy. If he doesn't do well in this car, he won't get this opportunity again. This is it. Yeah, I'm happy for them guys. and Paul, I hope Paul stays involved with that, and you know what I mean, comes and I don't know what they're a sponsorship situation with it, but I hope Paul stays involved with them. He's got some talented guys on that team. Yeah. It's Billy Kerwood, a friend of mine, worked with him at MWR, a guy that has a big skill set about cars and a big skill set about engineering.

And it's very rare you get a guy working on the car that has a skill set like that. There's some talented folks on that race team. Yeah, it's good, though. I mean, it's, you know, Matt's going to go in there excited, which is good. he's going to, you know, that team's going to be excited. Yeah. We're a Spotter podcast, so what do you think happens with a spotter in that situation? You think they retain Joy Meyer, or do you think that Matt has the ability to maybe have a guy he wants to bring with him? Is it really the driver's choice, or how does that?

It's either the owner of the driver. That's who makes that call, right? Yeah, I mean, I've said before to my buddies, when a rookie driver brings his own spotter, I think it's a mistake. because what we do is a lot harder than what people think it is. And when you're walking in with a rookie spotter, and by rookie, I mean, never have spotted a cup race.

I do think if you have a veteran driver and a rookie spotter, it can be okay. Or vice versa, if you have a veteran spotter and a rookie driver, it can be okay. But seeing these first year guys, they don't know what they need, right? They've never raced at this level.

They don't realize how hard it is. I mean, when you look at some of these guys that are super talented, I mean, like a Daniel Soros, he's an infinity series. he's champion won some races and in the cup series he hasn't won races like when i see guys come in as rookies and bring their own rookie spotter i'm like oh this is going to be an uphill battle right

restarts for big plate racing's a lot different we're a lot more aggressive but i guess just you know my question of tj is do you think he what do you think happens there um i don't know i mean we know a little bit more about the situation you know the current guy that spots for him works at that works at the shop as well. He has a full-time job there. So it'd be hard, you know, it's going to be hard for, I don't know, I don't know. To me, to me, he's obviously got a really good,

obviously him and Doug Campbell working great with each other right now. I don't listen to him, but, you know, they've had some solid runs. It looks like they're building together and stuff. So that, you know, the other option is the guy that spot the 21, carnail past champion been up front a lot uh knows the ins and outs um well-established plate racer you know he's got a pretty good he's got a pretty good resume so it'd be it'd be hard for me to me you know you're it's still going to be a learning curve with with um the one that he's with now they're still going to have to grow together and stuff or do you go in there and you get a guy that

you know, has already got the experience and has the, has the, the background, he's got the hardware to prove it. Yeah. And try to build from him, you know, can he teach you something? Yeah. So that, that's going to be a choice that maybe Matt has to make. I'm not sure. Yeah. And Matt's had a lot of spotters. I mean, he's been racing a long time. So yeah, interesting to see for us what plays out there. Does he bring his guy? Does Joey Meyer that's there now stay? Or is there another guy that they're looking at? And, you know, the guy that's getting in that car, too. I mean, that's a, that's a Gibbs driver. Yeah, Christopher Bell's coming obviously to the 95.

Toyota will step up what the 95 gets. And Gibbs usually likes to keep their guys with their people. Yeah. I mean, you look at the trucks and the Xfinity car. It's one of them guys the whole time. Yeah. So, who knows? I don't know.

I'm going to start asking this a lot more as we get closer to the end of the season. Any other silly season, rumors? It's getting ready to happen. It is getting ready to happen. It's getting ready to be drivers. Holy cow, I thought we had a Sasquatch sighting. Never mind. Just donor walked in.

It's getting ready to start happening. I don't know when it will hit the streets, but there's things that are shaking out. Hit the streets. I'm a 14-old. Watch your mouth. Oh, so what's going to happen? Yeah, do you share. What are you doing next year?

I don't know yet. I don't have a job. He knows what he's doing. TJ, I do not have a job. I do not have a contract to Spot Cup. I do not have a contract to Spot Exfinity. I do not have a job with anything at this point in my life. So if there's any good jobs out there, let me know so I can send my resume and apply.

Oh, man. But it's getting ready to happen. You guys, and I don't think there's any huge moves as far as like A-list guys that's going to happen. But I definitely, we're definitely getting ready to see some movement. I mean, there's got to be. There's going to be some movement. I mean, I'm sorry, but, you know, let's be honest with each other. And this may bite me in the ass.

And if it does, it does, right? That's life. but when you look at Reddick, when you look at Custer, when you look at Bell, those guys are all ready to move from the Xfinity Series where they promote that names are made here. Well, those guys have won a lot of races. Now that we don't have cup drivers in the field every freaking week, these guys have won a lot of races, they deserve an opportunity to go get in a cup car. Making their names.

Making their names. So that means three guys in the Cup series are out. do we think that all three of them are going up? I know two out of the three are. We know Bell is. Yeah. What was the second one? Yeah.

I'm not in the mood today. I'll tell you all next week. All right. Well, before we take a break, we do want to take a moment of silence for Mike Stefani who passed away yesterday. So I'm not a huge modified fan. I'm not sure how big of a modified fan. TJ is.

I certainly respect what those guys do. and I know a lot of names and I've watched some modified races. I'm a race fan, so I love all of it. But I was texting with Freddie, who is a modified nut. Like, he loves it. And I was like, man,

give me some Mike Stefantic numbers. 74 career wins, most all time by like 30 wins. Second highest is like 44. Nine championships. 12 Bush North wins, which is now the K&N series, but Bush North back in the day.

I mean, guys like Martin Truex have come through there. Seven-time modified champion, two-time Bush North champion, won both championships 97, 98, 1999 Trassman Truck Series Rookie of the Year at 41 years old. Like when you look at this thing and you see that he was going into the Hall of Fame, you hear this resume and you're like, why is he not in there already?

Because the modified series within the NASCAR world deserves more respect. This guy should have been in. It's unfortunate that he lost his life the year that he's going in and obviously in an aviation accident. But yeah, I mean, certainly an all-around hell of a race car driving dude. That's crazy. 41-year-old rookie of the year. That's awesome.

41-year-old rookie of the year. Yeah. That's crazy. And to win two championships and two different divisions in the same year, that's impressive. Back to back years. Yeah, that's impressive, man. That's really impressive.

Wheelman. Dude's a well-known guy, especially in the Northeast, like you said. I've watched him race many times at Watkins Glen, and not as much on the modified side, but the Bush North stuff, I've seen him run. And, I mean, that's a heck of a resume. Huggy Love ones tell him. level man because you just you never know what I wish I wish rookie of the year man when he won that it meant something huge like rookie the year was used to be like when you went into the cups

races as a rookie you were like that's my goal rookie of the year I want to beat these other guys coming in here that's all I want to do that's all I want to do when I ran the dash series all I wanted to do was be the goodies dashed he was rookie of the year that year right I ended up getting rookie of the year and finishing like fifth in the point or something yeah which is but I've got that trophy at home and that trophy means a lot to me. Right. Seeing that, it's NASCAR, Goody's Dashers, rookie of the year.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, it used to mean a ton. It did. It was hard, man. It was hard. It wasn't easy. Even in the dashes years, it was hard.

Yeah. The guy I ran against, you know Eric Wilson? Yeah. The tall, used to be a Jackman guy. Yeah. That's who I ran against Rookie of the Year. He was probably 25 years older than me. Yeah.

We were running the same year. He had been running the Dash Series, but he only ran like four, five, six races a year. year so we didn't run enough to get like so I ran a full season the same year he did and be in for rookie of the year that's awesome yeah yeah fun times thoughts and prayers to you guys though that's a big tough loss and obviously accidents are in my mind accidents are harder to swallow than you know some of the alternative ways that people go so rest in peace dude let's see what's coming up this week on the dale junior download listen up when you're done listening to door bumper clear go listen and subscribe to my podcast the dale

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Is there a track close here? Is there a crash clause in these things, Casey? Oh, yes. Oh, man, we got to trust TJ's ability more than that. I have a house. We have a house to pay for, you know, crash clause. Yeah, more like your vacation of the four seasons. So for you people listening, when you hear the word crash clause, what that means is you can go sponsor the car.

And let's just make up a number. Let's just say you can sponsor a truck for $100,000 and go run Daytona. And then if you crash it, you got to pay an extra 50. That's what a crash clause means. It depends how much. much you wreck and how much it costs. He's not going to wreck. He's going to be too slow to wreck.

True. I mean, then you should be great. I would pay $1,000 to obviously not watch him get hurt, but just to watch him flip. We should make this a show. I don't want to go run like some big event, but just like a local show somewhere to show up some point. Right here at Millbridge. That's too small. No, there's a track that.

That's too small. I don't want to run. I travel. I'll test guys at somewhere close to here. We can make this happen. Jason, we should film. There's a cold dirt track in Denver, North Carolina. I don't know if Lincoln Sun Speedway, maybe.

Thunder Valley? Is that the name of it? Yeah. It's in Denver. It's awesome. Is it in Denver? Is that, how far is Lincoln?

It's right there. It's in Lincoln's. I think that's Thunder Valley. I went there one time. It's awesome. Well, we need to make this happen. I went over there once. Cool place.

We can probably do two midgets and then Brett, you get in one. Match race, me versus Brett. Yes. I am not running one of them things. Them things are, uh-uh. What? It's a midgett.

They're dangerous. Thank you. I need something with fenders on it, man. You give me a fender. I'm in. What about a win? wing. I'm fat,

I'm too fat. That's better than a wing. I mean, that's better than a, you know, wings better than a fender. At least it crunches and crumbles and stuff.

No. That sounds good. I ain't right and nothing to slip. Man, it's the thrill of driving something like that though. I don't like heights. When if people flip,

they get high. You don't have to flip. Yeah, don't flip. Just lose to me. I'm out. Give me a super dirt late model. I'm in. TJ,

will make this happen. My gosh. Super dirt late model. I would race you in that. I would race you in that. Gik, Gag, gai, gai, gai, okay. That's all you see is a left front fender and a dirt late model.

I know, but I ain't going to flip. You might. Wow. Iowa, I'd rather be in a bit. All right, well, we need to work on this. Yep. Go check out for steam auction.com. Let's go into fast lane.

Three racing questions. One off-the-wall question. 30 seconds to respond to each. Only 30 seconds. How are you going to start for some talking? Good luck. Fast lane. First question was a 4.30 p.m.

Pacific Time start ideal for Sunday's Cup race at Las Vegas. What do you think, T.J.? No, ding. What time would have been ideal? Saturday night. I'm going to tell you what time would have been ideal. The problem of running at night, though, you can't run at night because night there is 7 o'clock there is 10 o'clock Eastern.

So we're not going to lose our whole fan base. On a Saturday night. We got to run that race at 9 in the morning, 12 o'clock Eastern. Like, we waited for it to get hot before we started the race. The Exfinity race, there was like a five-hour gap between qualifying, the driver's meeting and the race, and there was nothing going on track. I don't know who the driving party is here. I realize TV has a lot at stake. They're going to ultimately tell us when we're going to race. But man, it's 103 degrees. If we expect people to come out

and watch us race, and listen, there were a lot of people in town. I've not seen Vegas that crowded when we were out there in a very long time. It looked like Super Bowl weekend, but they're not going to leave the strip to come sit outside and bake in 103 degree heat. When we started the race, that was the hottest it was all day. Let's start that thing at night in the morning, be done by noon, let these people go back to the strip. If we start at 9 in the morning, they won't even have to go to bed. They just come on out. I think we need to start, you know, five, six o'clock on, I think Thursday trucks, Friday, Xfinity, Saturday Cup.

Yeah. I think it needs to go like that. I don't do with the 9 a.m. because everyone will still be drunk. Yeah, I want to start early enough. I want to start early enough. So it ends early enough out there, so people have a reason to go back, come to the racetrack, go back, and still have an evening out on the town. Right, because you had the fight going on Saturday night. You had the Olympia competition.

There's always going to be stuff in Vegas going on, but I want to give the people a chance to come check out the race, go back to the hotel, take a shower, and go to the bar and have a few drinks. I just told them to burn up. Yeah. I think the TV probably played the factor with all the football games going on. Yesterday weren't in three degrees. Honestly, though, yesterday was probably, there was a breeze. And we got some cloud cover.

And there was a little bit of cloud cover. Saturday was hot. Saturday was hot. But, man, we used to race. Friday was hot. Man, I used to go to my grandma's house right after church. And as soon as you get there, the race was coming on at church. 12, 15, 1230.

You have Benny Parsons firing up, you know, Chris Kahnamacky, like, let's do a retro weekend out there in Vegas where that's when we run. We run at freaking lunchtime on the East Coast and running the morning. Man, football kicks off at 1 o'clock East Coast, 10 o'clock in the morning, West Coast. Like, we can 100% support sporting events being going off early. I want Thursday, Friday, Saturday nights. I feel you, dog. We get it this weekend.

Friday night, Saturday night. Rich right. Next one, the Xfinity Series playoffs begin at Richmond with a strong field of contenders who you got to take the championship. Brett. I'm going to go with Reddick because nobody is better than running the high line and that guy. And I'm not going to lie to you. Man, I came into Homestead last year thinking Bell was going to wear him out.

And Reddick was like, I talked to him before the race. And I was like, man, don't go up there early for no reason and knock the wall down. He's like, I'm going to have to go up there and run up there all day to perfect what I got to do. And that's what he did. And he absolutely kicked everybody's butt. I think RCR's mile and a half stuff is off right now, but by then they should have it figured out, and he is the guy to beat at Homestead. Yeah, I mean, it's hard.

He just finds a way he makes mistakes still, and that's the only thing that scares me about Tyler. He still makes a few mistakes, but he rebounds well, and that's the sign of a really good team. The teams that have been rebounding, and I've been watching the teams that have adversity and still make their way back up there. Tyler does it. Um, here lately, I've seen Austin Cendrick do it a little bit.

He's been right there and then something else would happen. Um, he's, he's rebounding well from mistakes and every little things that happen. And to me, that's a sign of championship team. So I'll go with, uh, I got to go with with Tyler, though. Head to the first short track of the playoffs at Richmond. Would you encourage your driver to rough up another driver to win on Saturday night? T.J. Uh, absolutely not.

It's a long playoffs right now, and you've got to be there at the end. If you had one bad, you can't afford bad races. And if you make somebody mad and you take them out of contention for something, they're going to try to do the same to you. So this is where you have to race. This is where the mental part takes over. You have to race smart. You have to race aggressively smart, is one way I would put it.

But you got to be there to finish the races. If you don't finish these races, you're in a hole. We know it's almost like you've seen which drive. You can rough up by now and which ones you can't. Like obviously, Denny Roughen Up, Chase Elliott had big consequences. You know, Joey Lugano, roughing up Martin Truex had zero consequences. So when you look at a guy like Truex that's locked into the playoff, if he's leading the race and a guy like Clint is coming who isn't near where near locked into the next round,

I'm not going to encourage anything. I would hope Clint's going to encourage himself. Yeah, you don't. you got to look at the risk versus reward here and if you're gonna, when you say rough up there's a difference in doing what happened to Chase Elliott and what happened to Martin at Martinsville.

One guy didn't finish the race and the other guy finished second, you know, side by side across start finish line. That's good short track racing. That's short track racing. That's roughing him up though to me. It didn't wrecking. Jason didn't put wreck him.

He said rough him up. I'm okay with roughing it up. You got to look at the big picture though. If you're going to homestead and it gets you to homestead, that's a different story because you can't if this guy is there and at that point Martin was pretty much locked into homestead.

If that guy is going to be there as well already, you're going to go there and just race hard. Nobody's going to, you're not going to hand the championship to one of the other two guys just because you want to take each other out. But if you're heading into the Roval the next weekend where it's nobody knows who's going to win that one, I mean, obviously I'm sure there's a lot more on the line. The Roeval is just going to be a survival race.

These guys, we've settled on here before, These guys get paid a lot of money to go win races, and T.J. and I've said before, win at all costs. So if, you know... We had a chance to move Martin in the spring race at Richmond, and we thought we didn't do it. We did, too, and we didn't do it.

And looking back, we should have. Looking back, I think we did the right thing. I mean, yeah, it would have been great to win. We didn't, because we ended up having, literally to be one of the last guys in. Yeah, you're on the bubbles. But when we ran him down from a straightaway back in three laps, and then we raced him and burn our stuff up for 30,

and then TJ come up there and passed us with like 10 to go. We ended up running third. But had we just moved him and went on, we'd won the race. Yeah, there's a risk-vers-reward thing there. I was talking with a retired driver the other day, and he said to me, you know, the biggest mistake I made my career was I cared about what my peers thought about me. And looking back at it, having been removed from driving, I haven't heard from not one single one of those guys. So I wasted a lot of time worrying about what they thought about me

and worried about how I raced them. Looking back, I do it entirely different. Yeah, that's true. And I look at a guy like Ross Chastain who races very aggressively, and it's like he could afford to take some advice like that, right? Because, I mean, TJ, I'll tell you, I mean, this guy literally said these people aren't a part of my life anymore. Yeah.

And, I mean, you're there to race. You should have that same desire you had when you were 10 years old racing this next kid. You wanted to beat him, and you were going to do whatever it took. That needs to carry into this. That's the way Tony Stewart race, it's the way Carl Edwards raced. I mean, it's the way a lot of guys raced. They didn't care who they pissed off. I mean, you weren't trying to hurt the guy or anything like that, but you wanted to beat him.

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pit road. What kind of signal or heads up do other spotters give each other to let you know that their guy is pitting, right? He's talking to me. I can tell you this, man. So we had pitted. We were out there flying around. The double zero, the 13, and the 95 had not pitted.

Oh, I saw this. And as we went into three, I'm like, hey, you're catching these. guys on all tires they haven't pitted yet man the 13 slams on brakes clint's in the gas on the bottom and i just start screaming and you know clint's like well i need to know that well hey bud if i knew it i would have told you like i didn't see billy oh wave billy oh who spots for tie dillon didn't come down there to me and say hey we're pitting this lap maybe he didn't get enough notice i don't know but we did not know tie dillon was pitting and we almost rear-ended him it's so situational man if me and Brett are racing for the lead or racing for the win and you know you're trying to outsmart

the other guy and this has happened by pass that happened happened at sonoma last year you don't want people to know when you're pitting sometimes because if they know they're going to adjust their strategy accordingly so you don't know until the last second sometimes when you're pitting um the most you can do is when you're getting close and you know who's going to be behind you you go talk to that guy and you say, hey, watch for me in the next three, four laps. Watch me. And everything you see down there, you keep making eye contact with him or something because you're not trying to advertise what you're doing half.

I mean, you don't want to advertise it. It's a chest mass out there and you don't want to give up anything. We wave when we're going to pit. We literally take our hand and we wave it up in the air. And, you know, that's a responsibility that we have to one another. But at the end of the day, we have to be looking to see the wave, you know. So Jason Jarrett come flying down there to me yesterday who was spotting for Ryan Newman. Hey man, we're pitting.

So the two options that we have are they wave or they come tell us. And if they don't, we don't get one of those two things. We don't have the information to give to the driver. The wave's hard to see sometimes. Hell yeah, it's hard. You can't be looking for waving whenever you're spotting. If they're on the turn two side, if Billy O is standing on the turn two side of the spotter stand from me and I'm looking at turn three, I'm not going to see him waving. Yeah, you're not going to see me.

If he doesn't physically come down there and tell me, I'm not going to know. So yesterday with Ty, I did not know. And I can't look up your ass and read your mind, right? You got to give me some information. That'd be great. Yeah, that's interesting. But you can't, like you said, you can't tell from one end of the other. And you can't, you're not looking for it.

I mean, sometimes you are, but it's so hard to see, man, there's so much going on. You don't have time. That's why, to me, it's smart as a spotter. Walk down there to him. Walk down there, hey. And you'll hear us running. I'll be like, hey, next five, just watch. for me. And then you keep looking back. You know, when that guy's going on the backstretched,

he looks over there. You know, you might not weigh, but you just be like, cost us three spots that particular stage. You'll, that guy behind you, he'll look down there and you're going to make out of time. You're just going, you know, everybody has a little bit. You just get it. You get it. This next one is from four tires and fuel. Why does Rick Ware racing enter three to four cars every week? Wouldn't putting all that money into one or two cars work better for their performance? and that goes the same with J.D. Motorsports and the Xfinity Series, too. I know they have quite a few cars.

What do you think, T.J.? I think they're making money by doing this. I don't think their performance. It's a pretty big step to go from where they're at to the next tier. You know, I don't think getting rid of a car or two is going to carry them to the next tier. Right now they make more off of having them cars in the field and just, you know, getting that the finish where they, where they, they figure they're going to finish. Once in a while, they'll have a plate race or something where there's a big wreck and their guys miss it.

And they, they capitalize on that stuff. I don't think it's enough to push them into the next tier. This is the great timing of the question, because we touched on it earlier in the show. Some guys are out there to race and some guys are out there as a business model. This is their business model. You know, JD Motorsports isn't buying tires. Those guys go out there and run, you know, old tires, the whole race. What do you mean they run old tires?

I mean, they go to all the teams in the garage that are good teams like Penske, like Gibbs, like RCA, and they say, can we have your old tires? And they put old tires in their car so they don't have to spend the $1,500 to buy tires. So this is a business model. It's not a race model. Big difference. And what they're going to sacrifice is not going to move them up. So JD Motorsports, you know, here's a perfect scenario.

If they're 13th and driver points, okay, and they have the ability to get to 12th in driver points. It's going to cost them a pile of money because they're going to have to go out there and outrun a Ryan Sieg or a John Hunter Nemech. Those guys are spending millions of dollars in sponsorship. Let's be honest. If they have three cars, the second and third car might be help. That's helping fund the higher car. You know what I mean? But they're 13th in points. If they make the Xfinity Series playoff, guess how much more money they make making the playoff versus being 13th? $5,000. So you think that they think that. they're going to go spend a million dollars on tires and engineering and new cars to make $5,000.

No, this is their business model. If they were racers, yes, but they're not racers. They're not racing to the level that the other guys are. Surely they're racing, yes, they're out there, they're racing each other. I'm not saying the drivers aren't racing, but they're not allowed to tear up cars. That's not their model. This guy is a great question. Last one comes from Kyle Baker 21.

With Paul Menard's retirement announcement, why are so many drivers of this generation quitting relatively early compared to drivers like Martin, Rusty, and the Lubbani's? And is the youth movement helping this work? Brett? I think that, and we've said this before, a lot of guys got pushed out. You know, Matt Kenseth pushed out, Greg Biffle pushed out, Casey Kane pushed out, Jamie McMurray pushed out. So when you say, why are they retiring? Well, we've said this on this show before. The sport retires from you sometimes.

I also know that those guys had, you know, chances to come back, but they're too competitive to go get in bad rides. Jamie McMurray isn't going to leave Chip Ganassi racing to go drive for front row motorsports and right around 20th all day. This guy's won Daytona 500s, you know, brickyard 400s. And there's no way he's going to do that, right? I do think, though, that those same row of guys, because they hit the, sport when it was at its height from an economic standpoint, made a pile of money.

So when you look at how much money they made, it also puts them in a position where they say, I'm not going to go right around last. And we saw Bobby Labani do that. Like he was a champion, an 18, the 18 car left and went to do that, you know, startup deal, a 96 car. And he struggled. And those guys don't have to do that. I wouldn't want to do that if I were them.

So I think it's some of it's the economics, obviously looking at a guy like Paul Menard, he's extremely wealthy, right? I mean, his dad is one of the biggest business owners in America, right? But I think a lot of it has to do with their competitive spirit and how much money they've made. Yeah, and, you know, he hit all, that's, you know, right. And the youth movement is going to help, you know, it's, and I'm super excited about these guys getting into the Cup series. The guys that have put the couple years in the experience series that are winning races, like, we're watching guys that are earning Cup rise now.

They're earning them, not just finishing 10th into points and moving to the the Cup Series. These guys are earning legitimate shots like it used to be. And we're kind of getting back to that model. It's taken a few years to get to this point where we had, have legitimate Xfinity guys. And, you know, but like seeing Reddit come up and Custer and Bell and there's a few more right there too, you know, the youth movement is going to be exciting.

We put these kids in cup cars. That race at Las Vegas, then resarts get even wilder. I mean, I live this with Elliot, right? He got pushed out of the Cup Series. after his days at Everingham, and he had a decision to make, go somewhere and be competitive or go run a crappy cup car and make money. And he elected to go be competitive because he was, like I said, on the upswing of the sport, made a pile of money, you know, 10, 12 years of he ran a cup, however many years it was.

And I just think that it's all changing, right? These kids are coming in, they're not getting these big contracts like these veterans had and have. There are still some veterans who weren't big money. You look at Denny Hamlin. He's bringing in a pile of sponsorship. He warrants a big contract. Kyle Bush, same thing, right?

But if you don't have big, big, big, big sponsorship, you're not going to have a driver making big, big, big money. You know, it's just the way the economics. We live, you guys see all these NBA money things on ESPN and NFL guys, you know, 30 million guaranteed one year. That's off of, obviously, the way their business model works. Ours works off a sponsorship. If you don't have big sponsors, you don't have big salaries.

And that trickles down to TJ and I. You know, TJ and I are worked for very well-funded teams. We make top-tier spotter money. when you get down to those Johnny Davises and Rick wears, those guys don't make what we make. All right, who wins the OfferPad, DBC's shirt this week? Best question. Casey, you picked?

Ooh. I really, I think Kyle's was a good question. Kyle Baker, you win. All right, and then we had a good DBC review on iTunes and Apple Podcasts from Captain Cordero. He said this podcast is always a party, always a good time. I subscribed. As soon as I was serenaded by the smooth voice, at Brett Griffin.

Tune in for a great laugh with some NASCAR thrown in. These guys get me through these long shifts and always leave me in a good mood. Smooth voice. He's been serenated. It's not smooth today. Send me a DM on Twitter at Hey, Jason Schultz, and I'll send you get your address for the T-shirt or DMS 3DMode Media. Do you think if we started a non-smoking casino in Vegas that it would do well?

Because that smoke kills me. I do not. You don't. I think it would do well, but anyway, who are you going to pick, I think we'd run out of business? Oh, I got a rant. What's your rant? Real quickly.

What is it? You had your laptop out a little bit ago. Yeah. Is your desktop organized or do you have icons everywhere? No. Well, it's organized by what I use the most. So, like, I only use... What's your desktop look like on your computer?

Is there icons everywhere? There, it looks just like my phone, right? So, yes, there's icons everywhere, but they're... Privacy screen? But it's organized. You know, like my... It's organized. I got folders and all that stuff going on.

Yeah, you have to be... I get on the plane a couple weeks ago, and I'm sitting there. with a PR guy and he flips open his computer. Who was it? Ian. Oh, I don't know him. Ian, listen, he flipped open his computer and there must have been 200 icons on that thing. And I about had a panic attack looking at it.

But I thought it was, I thought you were going to say producer Josh, because producer Josh that used to do our show was a lot of Tensky. He, uh, he probably, never mind. Actually, my last rant is a question. Are there that many weird people in the world that just all come to Vegas or just Vegas? make you weird because there were some interesting people in Vegas. 4 a.m. when you're waking up in the morning, like go to the trap or something. I mean...

I just want to know where those girls get all those clothes that they wear because you only see girls dress like that in Vegas. This is true. And it's amazing. It may honestly like it was a show, but so weird. Where are we going? Richmond? Yeah, I know you're picking. I got to go first.

Yeah, you're going to pick the four. You think I'm going to pick Kevin Harvitt? I do. Man, Martin Truex won a race there last time. That's his first short track win, though. Clint Boyer, do or die. Okay, then. This changes things.

Let's go with... I got a big lead, homie. You get a four-car lead there. Four-win lead. I'll take Kyle Busch. That's solid. Kyle's, that's one of the best tracks. Yeah.

Just hope Joy Gase gets in his way. Doesn't get in his way. Garrett Smithley. I'll text Garrett. I like Garrett. Garrett's a really freaking cool guy. Hey, it's Josh's birthday. Josh who?

Josh Williams. Oh, today? I think he's like big 30 or 31. That's cool. Maybe. God, he's that young and doesn't have hair? Maybe he's over 30. I don't know.

He sounds about 30. I don't know. He's a golfing machine. He is a golfer. I can't, I'm not good at golf. He's really good at golf. I hate golf. I think it'd be fun, but I'm not good at it.

Put put putt. I'd rather go to Bob for Apples and play golf. Dillner, T. T.J. wants to run in the midget, so we need to talk to Pristine auction about... Yeah, we're going to work on this. Get some sponsorship. And we can get some great video. run a midget. We're going to do a

documentary and bring you the Chili. We're going to go fund. Oh, Chilliwell? No, I'm not going Chilli-Bole. That ain't happening. I will flip there. I will rat. Did you see Kyle Larson's tweet to Kyle Bush about Chilli-Bowell with the spotters? That was funny. He said

there's no spotters there. Yeah, he's like when you're going to run Tillyville? There's no spathers there. All right. Well, thank you all for listening. Keep sending some comments. All great comments, please, unless it's about Brett. Leave reviews on Appleop Podcasts and we'll send some people some more shirts.

Hey, do you have a scooter at home? There's this new website called kiss my ass.com, Casey. You should go check it out. Do you have a scooter at home? Or do you have a golf cart? I got a golf cart. Have you ever ridden one of them scooters in the cities? Yeah.

No. The spin? Yeah, like the birds. Are the spin scooters good? Oh, I've never been on a spin. I've been on line. I think I'm going to check the spin ones out. Let's go race them.

Man, we'll be good through the streets. All right. Let's drink six beers. Let's drink six beers and go race scooters. All right. That's got to be legal, right? We've got so many things coming up. These are all going to be videos, right?

Yes. We can't do it on a street because we're in trouble. We've got to do it at a racetrack. I can't wait to see Jason try to play in me in basketball. Oh. We're going to start training now. Have a great week, everyone. Thank you for listening.

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