Door Bumper Clear - 153 - Jeff Gluck: One-Time Spotter, Journalist Extraordinaire

Episode Date: October 1, 2019

Jeff Gluck from TheAthletic.com joins the gang after a wild Charlotte ROVAL race. First, they discuss the changing NASCAR media landscape, Jeff spotting a race, being called to the NASCAR hauler, and the origins of the tweetup. Then, they cover everything from Sunday’s race including Alex Bowman vs Bubba Wallace, Chase Elliott’s signature performance, Clint Bowyer advancing to the Round of 12, Ryan Newman being eliminated, inconsistent caution calls, the Ricky Stenhouse Jr. news, and Brett as Alexa.   Want more DBC? Check out and subscribe to the new DBC YouTube channel! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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app or go to anchor.fm. To get started. That's an C-H-O-R.fm. to get started. Welcome to Door bumper clear. I'm Jason Schult, and today we have Jeff Gluck from the Athletic in the studio after another wild roval race. Jeff, Brett, and T.J. will cover everything from the first playoff in elimination,

including Alex Bowman v. Bubble Wallace, Chase Elliott rallying to win, the latest silly season news, plus tons more. DBC starts right now. I'm glad. J. Major. Get ready. Be ready. Be ready. Hey, play. Hey, everybody got here. New leader. Watch out for this guy.

White flag. Recrecy. Hello. Clear. Bring home. Three lights. Coming to the line. George.

Butterer. Clear. Woo! Hey, everybody. I'm T.J. Majors. And, uh, super special show today. Super special. Brett Griffin, Spotter for.

Not Brett. Not Brett. Not the reason why. I feel pretty special after last night. Spotter for Clint Boyer. Spotted for A.J. Amandinger, the race winner in the Xfinity series. Winner, winner, Amandinger. Hey, congratulations not being too low.

Hey, my car's not a feldedek but once. All year. I won two races, man. I'm having fun. Casey's in the house. Yep. And we have very, very special guest, Jeff Gluck. Hi.

You know, this is really weird for me because this is like my P1 of podcasts. I'm probably going to offend my other podcasts. Yes. Wow. This is like the one that I feel like I have to listen to. every week because sometimes you say stuff that I might miss. Sometimes. Life advice.

Life advice, mostly, right? You know, it's just, it's important for me. I feel like this is something I have to listen to. So when you first are like, oh, you should come on this. I'm like, I don't want to ruin my own show. Which is me begging you a year ago. Yeah. It took us a year to get you on here.

I'm like that. I would ruin the show. But then, especially this week, with all the crap that went on, the roval and all this stuff. Yeah. I'm like, well, if I come on now, I can hear the show before. before it's actually released. I can hear live what you guys are saying.

Right. And you can ask the dumb questions that Brett might be able to answer TJ too. I mean, what fan of the show wouldn't want to be roasted by Brett in person and have him go? Well, that's what we brought you on here for. It was to roast you and to get to know you. It would have been easier to get on earlier, but he relocated to the west side of the U.S.

So it's been hard. Yeah. I mean, Seattle life. The West side. Yeah. Yeah, well, that was just my excuse to not ruin the show.

Well, you picked a perfect week to come on, I would say. I don't know, because now I'm going to get myself in trouble because there was questionable. Sometimes, you know, like, why couldn't Kip Childress have been on this edition? Honestly, I don't think NASCAR would allow him to come on this episode. I literally woke up this morning and thinking the same thing. Like, this would have been the day to have Kip on after the shisho that was the roble, right? Yeah. But, hey, so, all, Jeff, we'll jump into this thing with you, right?

So you've been covered motorsports. How long? Oh, man. Well, my first race I went to was 04 to cover it, but full time since 07. Yeah. And you're in California. I was in Rocky Mountain, North Carolina, California, NASCAR scene, USA Today, SB Nation, Jeff Gluck.com.

Which was awesome. Now, we're semi-co-work, not really. We're at the athletic. Yeah. We're both writing for the athletic. Right, right. So, man, you've been covering this thing. a long time. We've had Bob Pockerson, we've had Jennifer Fryer on. In terms of the way the sport

is covered from a writing perspective, and I know you do other things like the podcast, etc. But how much has it changed in the time that you've been here? Well, the biggest thing is that there's a lot fewer of us now. Yeah. Right. I mean, when I got into it, like, all the Southern newspapers still had a beat writer. They're sending every race. And the media course is pretty big. The media center was filled with, like, daily newspaper writers. I mean, it was pretty, I mean, there was a strong media corps that was traveling every week. Now, I mean, for the people that are actually, you know, like the beat writers who are really there that often, I mean, there's probably 10 of us or less that are left.

And, you know, you know. It used to be 10 just from a state of North Carolina. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know. The Molyerns, David Pools, Jim Utters. I mean, yeah. Monty Dutton. Right, right.

I mean, yeah. The media senator was full. I mean, completely different than what it looks like right now. And I think that's the biggest thing because, you know, back then, you know, back then. With more people asking questions, more people think of different angles or storylines or uncover things. And then if you're like, oh, dang, that's kind of a cool angle or that's a, you know, everybody would jump on that or they'd get one guy to say something and you kind of build off that. Now with fewer people, you're not getting as many storylines, I feel like. So it's, you sort of have to work a little bit harder to uncover some of the stuff.

It's also changed, though, because you were here when what really helped change the sport, I think, as well is social media. You know, I remember, and believe it or not, there was a day when, like, Dale Jr. wasn't on Twitter. And he said he wasn't getting on Twitter unless he said he won the Daytona 500, he would join. So that night, I remember taking the picture, you know, for him and being there when he sent his first tweet out. And to me, that has changed a lot of access to people. Like, to find out the news, I don't go to a new – I get on Twitter and just you scroll and find out everything you need to know in second. You were there for, you were probably one of the first ones, you and Bob were probably some of the first ones to embrace that and take it and make something out of it. I mean, you started doing the tweet up stuff and, you know, now that's a pretty common thing.

Where to tweet up the idea come from? I think it was yours, wasn't it? Yeah, I mean, well, basically I had started to get a little bit of a following. I think I had like 2,000 followers on Twitter. Yeah. At the time, that seemed like a lot. and people were starting to be like, hey, can like, let's say hi at the track or something, you know. So just instead of trying to coordinate with everybody separately, I was like, well, let's just meet up in one spot for the time, you know.

So, yeah, it was just easier that way. And the first tweet up, I think there was like three people. And then the next week at Richmond, there was like two dudes. It was like a blind date or something. Like I was like meet over by this post. So you had your first three at Richmond. So you just said. There goes Brett.

I knew I get it. So like with that said, I'm going to give you credit right here, man, because I think you pioneered a lot of things on the social media side and on the writing side. It's almost like you have a marketing mind and you're a journalist because you have your 12 questions. You have the tweet up thing, right? I mean, there's a lot of things that you, the quiet track pick that you do. Like, is that things that just come into your mind and you just go forward with them because you've had that freedom? Or do you actually put thought into it?

I don't really view it like, oh, I need to build my brain. brand or something. But at the same time, I think that, like, because I got, I was at NASCAR scene. It was my dream job, right? Like, I was, I was a reader of NASCAR scene and I was like, someday I'm going to work there and I end up working there. And then it went away. I lost my job. I got laid off. And so I was like, well, I mean, if I'm going to stick around, especially when, when Twitter was coming around, I'm like, I have to, now you kind of have to build yourself up or do something to make a name for yourself. So I just mostly just started doing the same things every week because it was it was like well if i post a quiet track every week then it's my routine you know people from other i mean i don't know if you know this but like what you

obviously do but people from dirt tracks from local short tracks around the country are posting the same pictures and they're tagging you which is really cool to see i feel like you were the one of the first people to really spearhead the fan engagement side where fans have more access to submitting questions to drivers and to you guys all on social media. which didn't exist what a few years ago you would think. Yeah, before social media, you didn't find Bob and you outside the media center garage area. Now you guys go out there and meet fans and get together with people and stuff.

And, you know, if I'm Bob, I'm doing a quiet track pick like at 4 in a morning when I get to the track. Yeah. Quiet early morning track pick. But, no, it's been cool to see it grow. You have built your brand, though. I mean, you sold hats. You took on a marketing. I never actually, they were never actually for sale.

That was just a myth. That's funny. But you have to, you kind of have to, right? Because it's survival. You have to realize, and I think that the old school journalism model was, I'm going to work at this newspaper or magazine, and I'm going to write my opinion and people will just read it. Like, I will just, I will just proclaim this.

And when I got, you know, let go from NASCAR scene, I started SB Nation, had to build it from, like, nothing. You're like, well, these people are like, my customer. essentially, right? Right. This is my audience. So I better get to know what they think about things or what drives them or what motivates them, what they like, what they don't like, because I need to know what they

want to read, you know? So the more you're in touch with your listeners or your readers or whatever, your viewers, I think the more you know what direction to go in because that's the people that you need to guide your content to. Right, right. So the athletic comes about and you leave jeffcluck.com, which when you did jeffcluck.com, So you left yourself? I left myself.

You broke up with yourself. Yeah. After your threesome. Yeah, right. Right, that's right. So I literally am looking at this thing and I'm like, Jeff Gluck.com. Like, I think this is a good idea. And I'm like, are fans going to really pay for this?

And I'm like, well, fans were paying for subscriptions to, you know, the scene and everything else. So, you know, if you provide content, they will come, which you did. You move to the athletic. Why do you do that? Well, I wasn't really looking to move at all. They called, like, pretty much all the NASCAR writers. And we were like, I mean, I mean, everybody in the media center, I think, and they were like, oh, we want to start some racing content.

We actually want to invest in racing content, which is big deal. Yeah, nobody else was really, people are cutting, you know? Yeah. So that was kind of an attractive thing, like, well, you know, maybe that would be good to go somewhere that's actually building up. And at the same time, I was noticing, I was like about two and a half years into my own project thing. And you know. And back up for one second. Yeah.

And doing well with your own thing? Were you happy with where you were? Yeah. It was at a good level, but I was starting to have some, a few months earlier this year where I was getting more people deleting than adding. There was always people turning over, right? Right. For various reasons, people would cut their pledges or people would add.

Yeah. But what happens is, so like on Patreon, which is how I was funded through jeffcluck.com, you'd get surveys, exit surveys. So when someone deletes their pledge, it would automatically send them to things, say, why did you delete? Yeah. And some people more and more were saying, well, I don't like the direction NASCAR is going or sorry, nothing against you personally. but, you know, I'm just not as much of a fan anymore.

I'm losing interest, so I'm going to delete my pledge. And I'm starting to think, oh, this is good in about a year from now. If people keep deleting or something, that's taking money, like, directly out of my own pocket. Maybe it would be good to get to a more stable place. And this is just at the same time they happen to call. So I'm thinking about it, like, maybe this wouldn't be a bad move. Before I get in a situation where I'm like, now I really need to move, maybe I should move. Right, right, right.

So we're a spotting podcast. You and I've had this brief conversation before. You've spotted a race before, right? I think I crashed Boris said. Yeah. It won't play. Okay, we need to hear about this. Yeah, I remember that.

You were tweeting from the... Where were you at the bus stop or the... I was going up the hill up the S's. You're in the S's, yes. Yeah, yeah. So he was running for RAB racing. That's a tough spot. Well, I'm not sure if it was my...

I checked with him a couple years ago to see if it was my fault, see if he remembered. The track was... blocked in front of them and I couldn't, I, it's really, spotting is really freaking hard. Really freaking hard. I mean, it's so, before I had that experience, I'm like, it's not that hard. Like, I could get good at this. You know what I mean? You hit the button, you're like, inside, you know, you can figure it out. You got a cool voice right there. You know, inside, but, um, yeah, so, so he was in this Xfinity race for RAB. They needed like

a third spotter or something. I think I tweeted out, like, does anybody need a third spotter day? I want to write a story about this. You were there in case or was a wreck in the S's. Yeah, basically. And it was a wreck in the asses. Well, it was at the bottom of the hill or whatever, right before they get there. And, like, he would just come into my sight line and some cars crossed the track, and he was blocked, and he plowed right into it or something. So I think I was like, I don't think I even got the words out before. Like, oh, you're, oh.

And that's that, you know. What did you think right when it happened? I was like, oh, like, I need to crawl into, like, I need to run off this stand. And then I was like, this, I could, like, get in, like, legal. problems here or something like what if I got somebody killed like what if I affected the outcome of the race and I'm like I'm never doing this again I am never doing this again this is way too much pressure responsible I'm like almost sweating thinking about this now so funny it's so much harder than I worst case scenario actually happened for you yeah I mean I'd have to I don't I don't

like Boris at a road course could pretty much handle his own he knows what he's doing yeah then you know the track that's the problem with a with a road course and especially the yes is it doesn't take but a couple cars they get together and the tracks block Yeah. It's like a Talladega-style wreck at a road course, you know? Even if you got him slowed down, you were probably going to get hit from behind anyway. You know what I mean? So that's what happens in the S is sometimes the guy, you're just lucky if you make it through there.

The guy that gets the message, oh, there's a record fun, and you check up, check up. Guy a couple cars behind, yeah, he's not checking up. And you're in anyway. But see, what's amazing about that is like when I see something, even in real life, my brain can't process it barely before, let alone get the words out. Like that's what's so amazing about what you guys do is to to see something. And same with like the turn announcers, like Bagley or, you know, somebody like that, Moody. I mean, I can't imagine seeing something, your brain processes it, and you're already talking about it.

It takes my brain so much longer. I mean, it's just, I think it's sort of a gift, you know. Even getting your left and rights confused, I feel like for you. Yeah, you just, I don't know, I caught myself. I thought about it yesterday. I caught myself doing it. Normally you're inside or outside, but there's some quick. left, right's right there. And you're like, you leave in turn one, you're like, on your inside,

inside, inside, you know, then you're going out of two and there's a guy and you're right, and that's inside. So you're like, oh, inside, driver's right. I'm like, driver's right, you know, still there, driver's right. And, and, uh, but the drivers know, they have a flow, they have a feel of where cars are and where, how they get out of corners and where cars are going to be and stuff. So that makes it, you know, that makes it a little bit easier. But it's still, they're, you're right. With this package and the style of racing that it is nowadays, we're racing, it doesn't look like it all the time. We're racing closer together. We're in battles a lot more now than we have ever been.

You know, before, to me, I don't know, this package is, it closes up the race. I mean, it's close. It does. So I am a huge sports fan, right? And I look at a lot of media coverage, and I feel like that our sport is very unique in the fact that our garage is really small. We all see each other every single week. And I feel like there's a lot of things that the coverage is sensitive to guys in the booth and guys on pit road because they have personal relationships with those guys. I mean, if I were in the booth when Casey Cain, Jamie McMurray, Greg Biffle, all those guys were racing and I was friends with.

If they did something stupid, I would have a hard time calling it out. I feel like you've done some pretty ballsy stuff in terms of what you've published. I want to say you pissed off Harvick somewhere sometime, you know, way back when, like, how do you. you, who's the driver you think you've pissed off the most? Do you fix a relationship? Do you think about it before you write it? Like, because to me, it's a really fine line, especially in our sport because we are so small of. Do I write this and potentially piss them off or do I not write it? I'm getting more and more sensitive, I think, as the time goes on, which is probably not a good thing for a journalist, but I'm being honest and just saying, like, I'm much more

aware of people's feelings now because I think that you don't realize when you come into it that these guys really are they're sensitive i mean they're people they are every everybody's sensitive right um when i first came into it i thought well these are professional athletes so if you're if you're critical they should be able to handle it like i i wouldn't just say that about a high school football player or something rip them but like this is a professional athlete whatever right like i so i kind of treated like i was new york media member like i remember i wrote this column about casey k casey meers in in uh nasker i remember that see this is this is I remember that.

I really, this has still, like, followed me to this. Like, I wish somebody at NASCAR-Carsine at the time had saved me from myself. It was my fault. I read it and I was like, damn. Basically, I called him the biggest loser. Like, the biggest loser TV show was on at the time. And I was like, I mean, I would never in a million years do that now. I was trying to make a point about how he had moved from place to place and he hadn't

really gotten the results. And I could have made that point in a zillion different ways, but I made it in a really over-the-top, like, way. Yeah. It was just starting out. So at the time, Casey was obviously furious. Jimmy was obviously, he's mad. I still don't think, I still think that's in his mind. Dale came up to me, or a few couple years ago, we talked about it. Yeah. And he remembered it. Tony Stewart, I remember the next week in the garage was like, came up to Bob. We were co-workers at the time at scene. He's like, man, you know, like, what a dick that Jeff Gluck guy is and stuff. And so, like,

like that kind of fallout, I mean, Mears wouldn't talk to me for a few years after that. Finally, I think maybe four or five years ago, I went to his motor home and I was like, you know what? Like, that was just such a dick thing to do. Like, I would never in a million years do that now. I've learned, but, you know, I apologize because that was way over the line. Right. But that's the kind of thing that it's almost like if you're a young driver and you think,

well, I own the track. You know, like when Tony Stewart would say, that's a dart with no feathers, kind of like that. You think, I can do this, whatever. and you just don't know yet. So I think the more time you're in it and in the garage and you see these people, I mean, even Kyle Bush is sensitive about headlines or what people say. He reads stuff. Oh, yeah.

He got mad to be about a tweet. I said out one time. Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. So, I mean, you would think, oh, these guys have thick skin. It's not going to affect them, but they're people. You know what I mean?

They're people with cool jobs, but they're still people. Yeah, yeah. So with that said, pissing people off. Have you ever been called to the NASCAR hauler? I have. I've been called the NASCAR hauler. hauler, but not for my coverage, though. Oh, what was it for?

The first weekend ever had a hard card, I crossed a hot track at Fontana. What? Yeah. How didn't you even get past security? I, so the- Wait a minute, you, a hot rate, you, at Fontana? The track. That's a wide racetrack.

The track was hot, technically. I didn't know this, okay? The stair, the crossover stairs were down, but it had been cleared hot for pace car rides. It was like right after Xfinity qualifying or something. Yeah. So the Xfinity stage. was on the apron and the crossover gate was down and the stairs were down. So I just, yeah, nobody was crossing it. I probably should have figured that out. But I was like, oh, I'll just walk

across. So I'm walking across like to the press box and all of a sudden like, I think it was Mike Lentz actually now looking back. I can't remember. Oh, he's intimidating too. Super nice guy. He is scary. He grabs me by the, by the, by the, comes up, runs up behind me and grabs me by the collar or something. He's like, what do you think you're doing? You know, he's like, he's talking to his radio. He's looking at my hard car. And he's like, we got a Jeff. gluck down here. You know, like, what do you want me to do with them? NASCAR hauler?

Okay. And I'm like, oh, crap. So he, like, takes my hard card off and, like, I go to the hauler and John Darby's in there. Okay. And he, like, is in this kind of, like, revolving chair, like, we're in now. And he, like, kind of, like, spins around. Oh, yeah.

And he's, has my hard card up in the air, and he's, like, having a hard card comes with certain responsibilities. And he's, like, give me this lecture. And I, I just read this article about drivers who get. called to the holler and how they shouldn't talk so i'm just like yes sir yes sir and i remember he like goes through his lecture and gives me my hard card back and uh my hands were shaking so bad that i couldn't even put it back on the lanyard i just i was like oh thank you thank you and i like ran out and i was just like oh oh i got my hard card back but that's surprising that you could get that far without

being stopped i was almost to the stairs yeah i mean that's surprising you can get that far normally when they do pace car rides stairs are up yeah i think they are nowadays Yeah, I feel like that must have been, like, a few years ago where the security wasn't, it wasn't as it is now. I think they pulled the stairs up now. This was like an 06, I think so. Yeah, it's been a while. Yeah. But I haven't, you know, they don't call media members to the hauler for their coverage, though.

They will text you or call you or email you. They will? Yeah, oh, sure. If they don't like something. Sure. I mean, that's almost, I mean, that's routine, though. That's just, I think that's any sport sort of pushback, like a, whether it's a team PR, you know, like if you're covering the Redskins or whatever and you're the Redskins beatwriter and you say something about the team or

whatever and they're like, come on man, you know, this is why we did this or cut us a break on this or there's always conversation going back and forth. But I think that's good. I think that's good. Yeah, I think it's good. You need that relationship. Right. Yeah. Yeah. One thing too, I feel like we talked to Jenna and Bob about and you've been in the sport for so long, but as you see the sport evolve and you mentioned not enough, not a ton of media members in the media center anymore. I mean, what do you see as becoming more challenging for you guys, writing the stories and traveling each weekend as the sport changes so much? What's a big challenge now? I think just staying alive, like not alive physically, but keeping your gig because it's like musical chairs. Right.

You know, like you see, oh man, that guy just lost his job, but this outlet just cut. So really the challenging part is to do a good enough job and to stay afloat. But that's not a lot. But that's not only on the your side too that's on the competition side as well you know yeah a lot of us i can't tell you how many how many guys on the roof have changed shirts crew guys disappeared they disappeared they changed shirts you know a lot of us it seems you know most time you just make the round you know it's you see guys on a certain car now and pass you can be like well he was here then he was there before that you know what i mean so um you know that goes on both sides of i think that goes with everything. What's your favorite part of this job right now? At this point in your life?

I honestly think this is kind of weird, but I think it's probably the tweet-ups. That's awesome. That's cool. Two dudes. I mean, yeah. The blind date tweet-ups. What is it about the tweet-ups? Well, so, like, you guys are the same way. I mean, you're always interacting with people on Twitter, right? And you end up, we were just talking about the show started about Nell, who's out here. She was outside. She came to the devil and stuff. You get a lot of relationships from it, man. Like, make a lot of friends and stuff.

You really create, if you see people over and over again, I mean, you're making friendships, or if you see people, they pop up on Twitter and you get to know their names, and then somebody will come up to you and they'll be like, hey, you know, my name's so-and-so, and you'll be like, it's that. You're like, oh, that's you? Oh, cool. Like, you're always so nice to me. You're always so positive.

I mean, I've stayed at people's houses. I've gone to dinner with people. I mean, it's, you really, there's. It makes it fun. Yeah. It makes it makes it's like going to see friends all over the country. It has to be cool with going to the track and I mean, you get recognized a lot. I've seen you sign autographs and takes pictures with fans just as much as the drivers have, which is really cool.

That's the embarrassing part though, because I, you know, you're always taught not to be the story. Like, you know what I mean? But you've built such a brand for yourself. I mean, you're representing the sport in such a great way. I feel like that's, I mean. I think some of the articles you wrote in the beginning helped make a name for yourself. obviously. And then I think you've taken a good path since then, you know, to learn, like you said, you get to know these people. They're humans. You know, they got families and they read stuff that you're

right. So how much fun is it covering not just NASCAR right now for you, though? Because I see you doing some other fun stuff. Yeah, that's actually, I'm a little jealous of that. Yeah. So I will say that, you know, having covered it for this to this long, I don't know what it is, but, you know, I think it's like anything. It gets to be sort of routine after a while. Like I remember, you know, when you first start coming to races to NASCAR races, you're like, oh, my gosh, like you get so pumped up on race day. And now it just seems normal. I mean, I hate to put it this way, but it's like you're going to work.

And I always think about like, maybe it's even that way for like celebrities who are on the red carpet or something at the Oscars, right? Like the first time you go to the Oscars, you're like, oh my gosh, I'm going to the freaking Oscars. I'm walking the red carpet. People are taking my picture. second time you go, you're like, oh, this is still cool. 20th time you go, you're like Jack Nicholson or whatever. And you're like, I'd rather be at home. God, I got to, yeah, I got to dress up.

I got to fake being nice, these people. I got to get through this ceremony. I'd just rather be on my couch. Why do we got to go to this? You know what I mean? And it's the Oscars. Right. And I hate to say that about NASCAR races because, obviously, it's still really,

really cool what we get to do. But it just becomes routine. So when I go to some of this other stuff, like indie car races or dirt or whatever, it shakes you out of your routine enough. Yeah. They're like, oh, this is cool. I've never seen this. Or, I mean, you know, the Chili Bowl or Knoxville National.

So when you go to that and you, like, you did the IndyCar race last week. Yeah. Were you kind of excited to get to the Roval this week? Yeah, no, I think it freshes you up enough that you're like, well, now I want to get back to, like, what feels more like comfortable or home. What's been your favorite so far? I mean, you've crossed off a lot on your rocket list. Yeah, $500. Chili Bowl?

I Chili Bowls I really like midget racing even more than sprint car racing I would say But I think the Knoxville Nationals Are really really really cool I want to do that

That's what I'm like It's so fun Because nothing against Chili Bowl But you do get like Chili Bowl flu Oh it's terrible If I ever go to the Chili Bowl I'm going for like one day

No you can't do that It's impossible I don't want to get sick If you go for only one day You might as well not go I'll go wash the main race I'll go watch Saturday No

No because the whole The whole point of the week is, and this is something we all. I watch them during, on TV. I watch it on TV. No, but like the partying and the community and the sense community too. Like that's a big part of the real. I'll tell you one thing that one that probably makes it more repetitive as well is that

now you understand the value of FaceTime and, you know, having a little one, you see, you see what, it's hard leaving. Yeah, that's true too. You know, you lay there in a hotel beds and you're just like, man, I wonder what, you know, what my daughter's doing or, you know, some of that, you know, everyone. We all go through it. Yeah, we've all done it. Part of being bad.

Casey will be going through it. Yeah, you keep hinting. Nope, not true. I've listened to this podcast. Poor Chad. All right, awesome. Let's get rolling. Yeah.

We need chat on here sometime. No, we definitely do not. Why? Casey, good news. We won your pristine auction bid last week. Brian Dungee signed photo is going to be coming in for you. Place on the table. That's better than your other bids, though.

It'll be pretty cool. This week, a couple of cool items on pristina auction.com. There's a Bobby Allison signed number 12, 1969, Mercury Cyclone diecast, Coca-Cola sponsorship number 12. Looks pretty cool. We could bid on that, or there's also a Mario Andreddy 1968, number 11 Mercury Cyclone diecast. The more I learn about how much him and like, who was it, the second one, Mario? Mario, yep. The more I hear the learn about him and like AJ Foyt, the more I realize, like how badass they really were. They were, yeah.

And, you know. How diverse they were. They were. They were. I saw something like AJ Foitt, or it might have been Marr. I can't remember which one it was. Has raced on like 16 different continents. I don't know what it was.

I mean. 16 continents. Yeah, there's not 16 continents. Nice try. But it was like, how many continents are there? Seven. Yeah, he's raced on like six or something like that. Damn, if he raced on 16, that is a race.

I know. He's been our own. Different planets. You know what I mean? No, like, he's been so many places and raced on race, so many different things. Those guys are, those guys are awesome, man. So I'm going to go with the Mario, yeah. And the fact they survived.

Yeah, like they survived a very, very, very dangerous area. They're still walking around. I mean, AJ 4 was fighting some in IndyCar in Texas about 15 years ago. It's crazy for any driver that can literally get in any kind of vehicle a win. That is, people don't realize how hard that is. There's not many people that can do that. Tony Stewart was probably. was probably the last greatest one, right?

Kyle Larson obviously can do it, but Kyle Larson doesn't have their status yet. He's not a champion. He's not done it enough. Yeah. He's got the potential. It's cool that we have young guys that have that ability coming in.

Christopher Bell's the same way. Yeah, we have like Chase Briscoe, Bell. But they're not already in a conversation with AJ Foy, Mario Andretti, No, no, no, no. No. But I feel like of everyone that's on the field right now, I think they have the most.

they're more likely I think in a few years to be talked about Jeff Gordon could have been that guy right but Jeff Gordon once he got a NASCAR he focused solely on NASCAR Kyle Bush probably could do it I think it's cool that Lars and him still get out I mean I'm not going to lie

if I see a dirt race or something and I notice and I know Chris Rabel's going to be in it I'm more I'm more apt to watch that race because he's on our side and you know he's one of our guys now too I'm more likely to watch that race and see how he does What's wild for me is I watch Chabot be a complete badass in open wheel stuff. And I remember him coming to trucks and really struggling.

And you look at that and you go, this guy can drive. He can drive the wheels off a race car. But he can't drive this particular kind of race car or this race car isn't fast. And Jeff, when I've had this conversation before, fast cars go fast, right? Well, it's all funding, too. I mean, I was on that side where we struggled sponsorship. Yeah. If you're not in a good car, you can't show your talent.

I was on the roof that time. He went through like two cars at Charlotte in the front stretch grass. I was on the flag sand for Miss Quarzley during that experience. Yeah, that was great. He ripped like the front end of two cars off that weekend. Anyway, Chad's a great guy. We love the death. I'm just saying it shows how hard it is a lot of times to get out of one

and get to another one. And Chad's too. He's very competitive. Brad Sweet right here at J.R.M. And now he's leading the world of outlaws points. It's absolute badass. You know what I mean? And for getting a bush car and couldn't do nothing but wreck it

and finish 20th. You know? Yeah. It's hard. It's crazy. Anyway. All right. Bidding on that Mario and Jurydye cast.

Spot on, spot off. He's spot off. He's spot off. That's awesome. Spot on you like it. Spot off. You don't like it. And you say why either way.

First topic. The hot topic on Twitter last night. Alex Bowman versus Bubble Wallace. Jeff, you are definitely taking this one. Well, what happened? Which part? Yeah. I want to know what started it.

What started it? I'll tell you what started it. And then Jeff can chime in. So at Richmond, they had a run in. Okay. So I started last week. All right.

This week... Was that the same deal as a three and all that? I don't know if it was the same deal. It was a deal where Bubba was on the lead lap and 88 was not a lead lap and 88 moved Bubba and Bubba got pissed, right? So that was last week. This week, Bubba gets wrecked on lap one by Alex Bowman. Okay.

Fast forward. Bubba gets back in front of Alex Bowman. He's shooting Alex Bowman the bird. He's flipping him off. Okay. Alex Bowman gets sick of it. So when they come out of the backstretched bus stop, he turns Bubba head on into the outside wall and oval turn three.

Okay, so that's what built up to the incident that we saw. I think Barstool Sports was the first video that I saw Breakett where he doused him with water. Well, I mean, it was actually Blue Powerade. Oh, it was. According to Jerry Jordan's video. Wow. So it wasn't just the water. It looked like water originally, but then Jerry Jordan from kicking the tires had.

So it was a super toxic. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. Like, it's just, I'm spot off for Bubba's actions because it's, Bubba needs to protect his image. Bubba right now, maybe he'll get the results someday. But right now he doesn't have the results. So what does he have? He has the popularity and the goodwill of fans because they love him.

He's authentic, you know? But when you cross a line like that, when you, you know, he's not kicking a man when he's down with an actual action. But when you go up to a guy who's slumped against his car getting medical attention and you throw power in his face and you get Jeff Gordon at the same time. That was kind of funny. Maybe not the medic part, though. You don't want to get the medic wet wet. Right. But, um. No, because it means getting wet sucks.

Yeah. It's hard on you. Well, with sticky, sticky blue. That, the toxic blue. But, but you know what I mean? Like that, it's just not a good look. And so Bubba needs to think, okay, what, what's this going to do? He walked all the way down pit road because Bowman finished second.

So you had a lot of time to think about it. Don't, don't do that to yourself. Don't do that to your own image because your image right now is all you have. Yeah. I'm, uh, I'm, I'm, I'm, listen to me. man, I'm a Bubba fan. I like Bubba Wallace. A lot of people say he's too arrogant. Arrogent stunts doesn't bother me. You give me a guy with a big ego. I don't want anything to do with him. You give me an arrogant guy. I can deal with that guy, right? But for me, it's exactly what you just said. He looks bad doing this.

The guy's sitting down. The guy's in physical distress. He is getting medical attention. And if you're going to have words, have words. But here's what we can't do, Jeff, is we can't understand the frustration that Bubba had at that moment. Now, he obviously had lost his temper. The only part I really, really, really struggled with was when he threw it in his face, he immediately turned out and walked off. Like, throw it in the face and stand there and on it and see if Homeboy's going to get up and throw a punch at you. You know what I mean?

Like, guy to guy, I'm not going to do something and then turn my back to you to run away. He didn't look like he even going to get up. Nah, he won't get him. But I, so, you know, I hate that Alex was in, you know, dehydrator and needed medical attention after this because that this is, I'm spot on for Bubba confronting another driver because we don't have that enough. I agree. Bubba goes down there and I don't think any of it's like he said

is going to understand the frustration that he has at that point. We don't know like we don't know what kind of meetings they're going on, what's going on there, you know, what pressure he is under. We don't know all that. And to get turned, I guess, he's not happy. And he's going to go down there and show a guy that he's not happy. I hate that, you know, I don't, you know, I hate that Alex had something, you know, going on there.

can't really do a lot then when that's going on it's not right in my opinion but i think what i struggled the most with it's you know obviously they're all frustrated and whatever but you don't use your car as a weapon to just spin him out because he gave him the finger like is that i mean it's three to nothing in bubba's mind right he hit him at richmond he hit him at charlotte he hit him again at charlotte bubba's pissed he got if he got wreck and lap one here's the thing man without cell phones if we hear that bubba threw water on alex bowman are we really going to care no fact that alix spun him that's what pisses you all. I mean, it just, it just, I don't know that that was the right approach to do it. Like, then Alex should have handled it after the race.

Alex Bowman was a luckiest guy in NASCAR yesterday. He was going to start on the front row and get himself in a really good position to move to the next round. And he wrecked with 25 seconds left in Happy Hour. What an idiot. He started the freaking race in a backup car, drove it into the backstretched chicane too hard, not knowing what he had under him. Like, he just kept making errors all day and somehow another ends up running second and making it into the freaking playoff after screwing himself all day long. Well, I'm spot off too for Alex getting involved in that because as a playoff driver, now he has two non-playoff drivers mad at him and, you know, ask Joey Lugano how it works out

when you have people mad at you in the playoffs, right? I mean, now Bubba or Austin Dylan. And he didn't back down from his Austin Dylan comments this week either. Yeah. So now you have two people mad at you and you can say, well, I'm not going to see those guys, but you're going to see him when you're lapping them. So it's just not a good recipe for a guy. Works for me.

Keep it up, guys. And he got really lucky that he didn't spin himself out. when, I mean, he was obviously in trouble with the playoffs, like at that point in time. Yeah, I think one guy's scared and the other guy's glad. I mean, that's the way I look at his polam in these situations. I don't think he's picking fights with guys that he knows going to kick his ass. Yeah, could have handled it differently, but whatever. Next topic, Chase Elliott crashes in turn one and then comes back to win the roval.

How about Brett, spot on, spot off? Man, I'm not going to lie to you. That guy was stupid fast yesterday. I was making comments over our channel, too, to my crew chief of where he was was passing cars. He was passing them in seven. He was passing them in eight. He was passing him in the bus stop. And I was like, but I think, as this thing goes along, he's going to get to these faster cars and realize he can't just drive by everybody. Well, I was wrong. He drove by everybody. He had the best car. And obviously, I saw a tweet yesterday. I've never seen anybody

hit the wall that fast and get it reversed that fast and drive backwards. And then all of a sudden, here he is back taking the freaking lead. It was a pretty amazing performance by him. Yeah, spot on. I mean, I thought he was done when he went head on right there. I'm like, oh, that guy's done. And spot on for the track, creating a racetrack that you can hit things and... Not end your day. Yeah, not end your day. That dude hit the wall head on.

And he backed up and didn't even really do anything that the car to fix it. It was funny because there were a couple restarts later where he was behind me. And you're anticipating because how fast he is that he would make it three wide on those restarts getting into one and he didn't. He was scared. Like he backed off. whole turn one aggression thing. These guys got to start changing their batteries and their remotes for the race because last year Brad's remote disconnected

and this year Chase is disconnected. Well obviously spot on I mean this is when you look at drivers especially like their legacy and overall you want like moments or signature races where you can be like oh remember the time he did this and even years from now you'd be like oh remember the time

he stuffed it in the wall and then he came back and won that race people'd be like even if they don't remember the circumstances they'll be like damn that was I mean plus his celebration vibration to go back down there. And then like there was that jiff of him like doing the are you not entertained thing and the car's rolling away and he's coming through the smoke. Like that was pretty epic. I was standing at the top of the turn one grand stance, which is by the way is phenomenal. You can see 100% of the racetrack up there. And every car he would pass,

the stands would erupt. And it reminded me of Talladega when Dale Jr. would go up there and take the lead. Like he has that big. In terms of our fan base, I bet he has 60. 70% of the fans. It was pretty impressive to watch that amount of people get that excited. Next one. Clint Boyer and Alex Bowman advanced after entering the race below the cutoff line. Brett, how about you? Man, I'm spot on. You know, again, I think Clint did everything right yesterday. Had two phenomenal stages. Had a top four finish. Scored a lot of points. And we shot ourselves in the foot at Vegas and we came back from it with Richmond and there. The Alex Bowman thing, I'm not going to lie to you. Like, I will still.

sitting there watching it, and with a few laps remaining, he was one point out from Ryan Newman. And to be running second, you know, you didn't get any stage points because you were stupid wrecked your primary car. But to be running second, that's the second best you can possibly do. And you're not going to advance. Like, I still say this. I think he was the luckiest guy out there yesterday. If Bubba, and people are mad about Bubba throwing water, if Bubba had wrecked him back, which is what I would have done, right? He's wrecked him three times. I'd have wrecked him back. He wouldn't be in this conversation, so he's the luckiest guy out there in my mind. I'm spot on for how it went right there.

Ryan Newman's dangerous in playoff situations and scenarios. He knows how to point everything and claw his way to where he needs to be. And 20 got eliminated, right? Yes. He's arguably the best cars. You know, they're arguably the best cars. So, the 20's fast, the one's fast. Yeah, the ones, the, the ones quietly have been fourth, fifth, sixth all year long.

So we just eliminated some serious threats right there, in my opinion. I'm spot on for the way it went down, especially with Bowman, just because, I mean, as we've documented, the guy's going to start second. Oh, this is going to be great. He's going to have a great chance. Junk's his car, has to start in the back. Rex on lap one, comes all the way back, and he's still not in great position. but he, on that late restart, drives past some of the best names in the Cup series to put himself in decent position if something happened to Ryan Newman, which it did. So, I mean, that's all that's all he could do.

I got to ask you this. So we are only concerned about our car primarily. And then we're concerned about our organization, right? For you guys that are covering this, how intense was it the final 8, 10 laps of that race? I mean, because literally it was going, this guy's in, this guy's out. Now that guy's out. What are you guys in the media center doing? There's a lot of like ooing and eyeing.

You're not supposed to make, you're not supposed to cheer or boo. But there's a lot of people going, oh, you know, because you're seeing at Switch and all of us have no dog in the fight, right? So it's just fun. I think it's the same thing as, well, I was going to say the same thing as fans. But if you have your driver in it, obviously, it's not fun for you. But, you know, it's just like that's why you watch it, right? That's why this is the elimination format's worth.

It's the playoffs. Yeah. I mean, you're like, oh, my gosh, the drama here. I can't believe what's, you know, how's this going to end up? I mean, it's. I love the playoffs, man. I love it. It puts everyone under the, right now, normally, we know who's going to race for a championship.

It was usually not a two guys in the old, like the old system. It's like two guys right now. One guy's got like a 300-point lead. And now, it's reset right now, man. Last night was the equivalent of winning an NFL playoff game, you know. And it's not one race. It's three races, but nonetheless, you've won a playoff round. I've come around on it.

You know, I used to hate the idea when it first started just because I'm like, this is not the best way to crown a champion. But I think with everything that NASCAR is these days, you know, they're really prioritizing the fan entertainment with the rules package. Everything they're doing is prioritizing fan entertainment. They don't care about like the IndyCar or F1 style purity. You know what I mean? They're trying to entertain people.

This is entertaining. So this is a fitting way to decide the NASCAR. car champion. And they opened up their minds. NBC was big in this whole eliminate people, four guys, one race at the end, like for NASCAR to be open-minded on that. That's a pretty big stuff. It needed it, in my opinion. We were losing. I'm sorry, but yesterday's a game seven moment, and we still got freaking seven races to run. And we got more of them coming too. Yeah. So we got to do two more of them before we go race for a championship, you know, and find out who's going to be in that. Yeah. I mean, I remember at this point in the season a few years ago without the playoffs, we were short for storylines. We were just trying to figure out

what to talk about in general, and you know it best. So I think we're definitely not short at this point. Continuing with our playoff topics, Ryan Newman eliminated from the playoffs after missing the chicane late on Sunday. Jeff, spot on, spot off. I'm actually spot on for this, but the reason is that it highlighted what Newman was able to do because I was huge Ryan Newman doubter this entire season. I'm like, well, he's not going to make the playoffs. And he makes the playoffs. And I'm like, well, he's definitely not going to get out of round one. Yeah. And then he has two top tens, including a top five, going into the elimination race.

And I'm like, damn, this guy, I mean, he doesn't have, like, the fastest car by any means. His organization didn't seem like a playoff organization. Here he is. He's about to, like, carry this team on his back for his racing style that pisses everybody off. Yeah. He's just going to do his own thing anyway, and he's somehow going to point his way into the next round. And he was ready to do it, and basically one mistake short of making it happen. So, I mean, you have to give him credit for his playoff run.

I know people aren't thrilled with him, especially the De Benedetto thing at Bristol. But, man, he had a heck of a run. He knows what he has to do, and he does it. He got Ricky Stenhouse fired. Basically. I mean, right. He does a really good job.

He isn't under the radar. You said last week he was good. He was fine. You said it on this show. Ryan Newman's going to be fine. He's 13 points to the good. He's fine. And I said he wasn't.

Unless you wreck. He wrecked about five times yesterday. If you wrecked every corner of that car was... Yeah. I mean, I know he was in at least three wrecks. It's like he needed points. At one point, I looked down and he was five points out. There was a wreck.

He was in it. And after that wreck, he was in. I was like, I guess you just wrecked your way into this thing. From lap one, Ryan Newman was fine. The other guys were doing what they needed to do. He just... Oh, he was junk. He was running 18th.

He wasn't going to get stage points. Yeah, but the other guys were taking care of themselves. He wasn't getting stage points. And if he'd gotten stage points, he'd have been fine. But if the 88 wrecks out, 20 boat. I don't think this is in the show anywhere. I watch Kyle Busch drive backwards down pit road, drive into the garage, get out of his car. He DNFed.

And I'm all for those guys that have a great regular season of getting a first round by, because that happens in all forms of sports. But Kyle Busch is now the points leader again, after not realistically being the points leader, He was probably sixth or seventh in points based on where we left yesterday. How in detail do we have a format that allows this guy to be the points leader again after a DNF and after being six or stat? That's where I have a struggle. That's the points. And you're looking at Kyle Busch, points leader, Martin True, X, 2nd, Denny Hamlet third, Joy Lagano, fourth, blah, blah, blah.

But I don't understand how we're giving him that much credit this late in the playoff process. You know what I mean, Jeff? That's the only way to do playoff points, though, right? You can't subtract them once you... Everybody could be, but here's the thing. All right. So round one of playoffs, it was three races. If you got stage points and if you want a race for the five bonus points,

give them that for a round two. Take away all these other regular season points because that's behind us. The fact that Tom Brady threw seven touchdowns in game three is not going to help him get through the second round of NFL playoff. I think that opens the way for another Newman situation, though, where you can point your way into Homestead, and they don't want that, right? It's three races, though. If you can do it in three races, that's what your job is. Didn't this come into effect sort of after the Byron thing too, after Byron blew up in his truck

or, you know, he didn't make it. If he had playoff points, he would have made it. So this was some sort of a protection for having a regular season. I mean, you still have to give him credit for the regular season he had. This is why you race for playoff points. This is why you do that. It should give Kyle Busch a buy-all-way to Homestead, though. I mean, if you're that dominant, he had a really successful season, man, so.

I don't care. I don't agree with it. It makes you go for them points. It's the only, I think it's the only way to do. If you're going to do this this way, I think it's the only way you can do it. Yeah, I don't mind it. Next one, NASCAR's officiating of the roval with inconsistent cautions and lengthy yellow flag periods. Take a deep breath, Jeff.

Yeah, you're okay there? You get a minute and a half. Listen, obviously I'm spot off because this race didn't seem to be very well officiated by NASCAR standards. NASCAR's Major League standards. Now, let me start with this. I did sit down with NASCAR's Mike Ford. Do you know that is? The PR guy?

Because I needed explanation. Like, what was up with the caution? So his thing is, if they are looking at a caution and they see it happen in front of them, like with the 17, they see a bunch of smoke on the backstretch, they're calling it. Other times, they are, there's 17 turns, he said. It's the most challenging track for them to spot to see stuff happens. Sometimes somebody will say, hey, turns 13 or whatever. And they're looking, and by the time they're looking over there, a car's rolling away. So when we, media or fans, see it on the replay, the same type incident that called a caution earlier may not call a caution.

That's, you know, because they're not seen it live. That said, there was many examples that seemed like yesterday, or several at least, where you're like, well, why is that a caution? Why is that not? I mean, Alex Bowman, lap one, spins through the chican. Oh, how's that not a caution? No caution. Yeah. later Ryan Preece spins through nobody around doesn't hit anything keeps going caution

later in the race Matt Tift coming out of turn six sitting backwards on the track Ryan Newman other people are going into the grass to avoid him no caution later later. Later Stenhouse with when you know he spins on the backstretched chicane again seven laps later caution so it's just kind of like ugh like as a viewer you just want it to be consistent either way I don't care if it's always every time of caution or not if they're going to let it like other road courses, but I'll tell you, though, it's, so this is a hard topic because unless you see the wreck happen, unless you're watching it when it happens, you don't know

what went down to create it. And you don't know, to me, if somebody spins off and the whole field's coming by there still, you got to throw it, man. You can't have a car sitting there. I don't care if he's a little bit out of the way. If another car spins out and they go sliding off and the crashes in them, that could be a bad situation. um like unless you see the wreck happen um you know i get the thing where the ones in the beginning they didn't throw a cost for them so that kind of set the precedent okay if there's a single car spin through there we're not going to get a caution and the matt tiff and we did we went around matt tiff to run that wreck and i was like oh like that wasn't my area of a spot but it's right

in the middle of the racetrack you know but unless you see the wreck happen and a lot like he said there's 17 corners here and you know i don't know who's looking where there but if you don't see it happen it's you know i get it there's just a judgment call whether when you see it okay does that look bad okay this guy's way out on the grass that field went by he'll get it going again um you know i i think i don't know if there's ever going to be a perfect way to there there can't be really unless you have somebody unless you're i don't know it's too many corners too the cars are spread out there's i don't think you'll ever have it perfect and there's always going to be there's always going to be that well that guy got rolling

really quick. And we didn't need it there. Well, maybe there was three cars coming in there at speed. They didn't want them going through there and hitting them, you know, or possibly sliding off and hitting him too. Just because a guy sitting offline doesn't mean, doesn't mean you say, are you saying they did a good job or didn't do a good job? I think it's hard to do. I think it's going to be hard to do a perfect job at them. I think they did, I think they did it. To me, it's a new, I was explaining him a little bit ago too. This is a new racetrack too. When we see cars wrecked there, we don't really know where they're going to go in all the corners yet. We go to some of these places like Bristol, we know where these cars are going to end up.

We see a wreck. We know that guy's going up here, and then he's coming down here. When you see a guy wreck in seven or eight, we don't necessarily know where that guy's going to go quite yet. We haven't seen enough wrecks there. It's a spotter. Jeff, who do you think is responsible for the caution coming out? Is it the guy calling the race, or is it the series director?

Is it Mike Helton? Like, are there multiple people that are saying, we want to. want a caution here. I mean, from what I can tell, there's like several, there's a bunch of NASCAR people all sitting in the booth and I think they're all collaborating. I think the race director ultimately has the authority to do it, but it's not just his call sometimes, right? I mean, if somebody else could see something and then he's like, oh, yeah, you're right. That's what I'm assuming. But then what if he sees something and he's like, oh, that guy spit it or not, I got to put it. You know what I mean? I was told that he happened to be looking right at the backstretched

chicane when the Stenhouse thing happened. He sees a bunch of stuff. Smokies, he's a car spinning, he's putting it out. I thought Stano House hit the wall, and if a car hits the wall to me, that's an automatic. That needs to be a caution. I thought it was a good job, personally. I know there was some times where, okay, did we really need a caution there? But it's hard to do. We started the Xfinity race with a hell of a wreck, and we just kept going.

We started the race in the Cubs series with a hell of a wreck, and we just kept going. So that, to Jeff's point, is where I struggle when I see Chase Elliott by himself, drive completely off the racetrack, off the racetrack, out of the racing groove, bumps the wall, backs up, and yet we stop the whole field, and we get a caution. Because for me, his wreck probably was the least warranted caution. Yeah, I mean, he was nowhere near the racetrack. I didn't think about that at the time, but some people pointed that on Twitter afterwards, and I went back and watched it, and I didn't realize at the time how quickly he got out of there.

And they threw the caution immediately. He was still sliding his tires, put it out. And I'm like, wow. trampoline, man. He shot right back and took off again. So, yeah. It's always going to be, there's always going to be teams that want cautions at certain points, and there's going to be teams that don't want caution. And it's going to go over to the fan base too. And we're going to complain when it goes against us. And we're going to be happy when it goes for us. So you can't listen to us all the time. But I certainly can understand your frustrations because I saw Ryan Priest.

I text Ryan Priest this morning. And I said, hey, man, did you get wrecked or what happened? He said, no, I ran out of talent. But at no point did I ever see that car. stop completely and be stalled at any rate. And no point did I see anybody coming in there that was going to hit him. And that's one of those where I'm like, hmm, why was that? Well, and then what happened, the problem is that then that leads to more, right? Because that was the next wreck with Eric Jones, his season's over. And immediately after that, that changes the whole game.

And because so much emphasis has put on the playoffs and elimination, if they're going to have this format, I just feel like let's really see it buttoned down and really, really airtight. as much as possible. And I know they're trying. I mean, they're obviously not being like, oh, just whatever. I absolutely understand they're trying. But for a playoff format, it's so, so important.

Everybody's seasons on the line. Yeah. I don't like to see that affected by that. Giant kudos to NASCAR for the red flag because we didn't even ride around there. Yeah, that was. And watch those guys. Yeah, clean them.

But I do think the red flag kick Ryan Newman's ass. I think him sitting back there hot. Obviously, Alex Bowman, I think that red flag. Because Clint was like, Holy cow. Because they didn't get water, right? They didn't make it through? They're just sitting there.

Not through everybody. Some people did. They got water to some of them, yeah. But I think about, though, if we go green and we go back there and we junk four or five up, that'd be really bad. Or if we run around five, six laps under caution, and that's going to be bad as well. So I think road courses in general, especially new road courses with a lot of corners like this, it's going to be a learning experience for everybody. The robo itself, man, is freaking awesome. It's an animal.

They do local yellows? I mean, I don't like local yellows because to me that's recently here. Well, the rule, though, local yellow is you can't pass one another and you should slow down and be safe. Well, if I'm going to do that and lose three seconds to the leader, you're screwing me, right? There's always going to be. I'm not a local yellow guy either. How do you know, I watched you go through their 10-mile hour faster than I did last time? And I'm like, well, I was just slowing down.

This guy took off through there. That's how. That's hobby racing to me. We got too much on the line for me to do that. That guy in that Formula 2 a couple years ago that, that Jules, that guy. Yeah. That was a local yellow. They were out there with that crane picking the car up, and he slid off the track and hit the deal.

I mean, I don't want to deal with any of that, you know. And it's just going to be a contest. Like, I'm following you through there, but I also want to gain. I also want a game. These guys are racing, you know. Yeah. There's too much on the line. Our sport's not a local yellow.

Yeah. Ricky Stenhouse out Chris Bisher in the 17 car in 2020. T.J. Spot on, spot off. I really liked Chris Buster what he was doing in that 37 car, but this is a move that I guess I had no idea that Rauch still had ties with him that could pull him back if they wanted to. Neither did JTG. Yeah, well.

Neither did Ricky, I guess. Yeah, so, but, you know, congrats to him for getting pulled back to where he won championships, you know, at, but obviously there's a, he knows he's got to perform now, or they'll make a change. We're in a performance business, you know. I'm spot off on a lot of things here, though. Jack Rouse shouldn't have took a shot, cheap shot at Ricky in the media by saying, we're going to work on making our cars better versus work on, you know, fixing torn up race cars.

We all know Ricky wrecked a lot. I mean, there's a lot of things that could be said there. But, I mean, if you're on your way out with a guy that won you championship and guy that won you, your last race you ever won was Ricky Stenhouse. Why are you going to take a swing at the guy, man? The owners always come out on top in these scenarios. And to me, there could have been a little bit more class shown by Jack's comments. And then I look at what's really confusing to me, Jeff, this is where I'd love to hear your

opinion. Like, you've got a driver that you're competing against, Kevin Harvick, who is making comments on your behalf. And, you know, Jack Roush is a Ford organization. Kevin drives for Ford. Like, I can't imagine. imagine being a defensive end in a football game and me being the agent for the quarterback, and I got to go tackle that guy.

Yeah. Well, I guess if it wasn't NASCAR, I'd look at it differently, but I feel like there's so many situations in NASCAR where people have conflicts of interest all over the board. So it's almost like, ah, well, it's just another one. You know what I mean? Like to have a driver representing another driver. I don't know. I mean, there's so many crossed paths in NASCAR.

I just thought it was funny that Kevin is arguing for Ricky and Spire is arguing against Kevin and Jack is MF and Ricky. I'm like, this is like a damn soap opera. I just have to say how Ricky is handling it, though. I really like Rick's interview. That just shows. Ricky's interview was really good. For everything he's dealing with.

I've stood beside of Elliot Sadler in these moments and you don't know whether you want to cry or what to say. but no matter what, you take the freaking high road. That's what made me upset with Jack's comments. Because if you're going a different direction because performance isn't there, just say it. You don't have to take a cheap shot of a guy that's done a lot for you. In my opinion, Ricky's done a lot for Jack Roush.

Well, I think what bothered me the most, and I didn't realize this until I saw Bob Pockers' video where he's interviewing Taggis Schichter from JTG. So Bob's asking him on this video, well, you know, what was your reaction when you found out when did you find out? He said, Tad, the owner of JTG found out that his driver was leaving when it was in the media. And he said that was also the first time he even knew it was a possibility when it was announced that he's already going. I mean, you think somebody on some end would have at least been like, hey, man, here's a deal.

This is what's going on. I want you to at least know before it's public. Chris probably manages his own business. You know, he may not have a manager that can do those kinds of things. I mean, it's a freaking weird ground, you know. It is really weird. Is that good for, is that good for Chris? to know that... But here's the thing. Trevor Bain found out that he got fired from Michael McDowell,

who read it on the Internet with the same organization. So, I mean, this is a cutthroat business. People don't realize how big of a cutthroat business it is. I think ultimately it's a good driver move.

Just the way, the circumstances around surrounding it, you wish that maybe... I wonder if Majesky has something similar. Chris Busher has got to get in this car and perform, though,

because he's not marketable, he's not going to sell a lot of sponsorship unless he's winning races. I feel like this is a good move for, I think he will mix well with Ryan Newman. How many people do you think in the country know who Chris Puscher is?

I would say his Q score, and I don't know what the new thing is now, but back in the day it was a Q score. Like, I can't imagine him ranking that high. He's going to have to perform and he's got two years to do it. I would be, I'd honestly be willing to bet that majority of people don't know

that he's won a championship. There's a lot of talk, and we'll throw a Rumbiville out here, but there's a lot of talk a month ago that Reddick was a lot of. either going to go to Rouse and get the 17, or he was going to go and get the eight. Well, we see what's playing out there. He's going to get in the eight. But it's almost like from a timing perspective, the minute that they saw, that minute that

Roush saw, Reddick wasn't going to have a chance to come over there, that's when they started pulling these triggers. Yeah. And, you know, that's something they felt like they had to do. But I thought Ricky's interview was really good. Spot on for everybody, man. Ricky's going to have a chance, hopefully for a new start. Big opportunity for Chris Bush.

Maybe that's what he needs. He's getting a lot better equipment. Maybe Ricky needs a better start somewhere. man. And Roush's back cycling up, you know. Yeah. I mean, maybe. Let's take a break and see what's coming up this week on the Dale Jr. Download. The Dale Jr. Down. Listen up. When you're done listening to Door Bumper Clear,

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Good luck. Fast Lane. Thor is lobbying NASCAR to put Johnny Sauter and Grant M-Finger back in the truck series playoffs after being eliminated as a result of spec engine failures at Las Vegas. Should NASCAR step in and change its rules, because of a third-party engine supplier error. Jeff, what do you think? The worst decision in NASCAR history was adding Jeff Gordon to the chase in 2013 because, you know what I mean?

Sorry. Like, no, you should not add people back in. Things happen. This is a very unfortunate. I mean, I feel bad for him. But there's going to be spec parts in the future that break, and you can't just set a precedent like this. Yeah, I think it's tough to add. It's terrible luck.

Yeah, it's terrible luck. it. This just opening, this opens the door for so much other stuff when you do something like this. We've just gotten a lot of things ironed out with tech and all that. We don't even talk about tech anymore. If you're out, you're out, you know, and I feel like it opens the door, but we'll see. I think it's a brilliant PR move for Thorisport to do this, to issue this letter and say they've done it. I think NASCAR has made their bed, though. They went out and got this supplier, and you can't, you can't undo what's already been done, right? I think NASCAR should look at this, though, for the Cup Series future and decide, do we really want to farm the chassis out? Do we really want to

farm these bodies out? Do we really want to go the direction that we're going? Because it's less liability on the teams. I can't be responsible for my entire car when I'm required by NASCAR to go get these parts and pieces from a specific vendor. Round the 12 begins at Dover. Name a playoff driver that could surprise you with a win on Sunday and advance. Brett. Man, last year, Clint Boyer was in in position to potentially win this race, and then Ryan Newman got him loose, and that's when that whole Newman thing started. People that saw Clint get upset with him at the All-Star race, it goes back to one year ago this weekend when it all started. I really think, I don't want to give away my pick here with DBC picks, but I think you've got to look at, you know, Martin Truex

is going to be fast, right, and the Gibbs cars are just going to be fast. But a guy like Kyle Arson, I think this just fits right into what he's good at. Yeah, this, Kyle Larson was going to be my pick. He's, if this place moves around and grips up in different lines, he's going to be tough to beat. Well, I was going to say Larson. I mean, the thing is, there's not very many surprises that win anymore. Larson hasn't won in a couple years, so he qualifies as a surprise. I don't really see any other people that are left in the playoffs jumping up that would be like, wow, I can't believe that happened.

Yeah. All right, I'll take Biffle. I mean, you look at Dover, though, man, like Matt Kenseth, Jimmy, Johnson. Those were the two best guys. Biffle, Kyle. And then all of a sudden, Kyle Larson comes along and you're like, all right, when those guys are gone, Kyle Larson's going to win every race here. Well, then we go to this rules package that makes it a lot harder to pass and changes the dynamic of the corner speeds. And you're like, well, maybe Kyle L. As special as we thought he was. So it's going to be, it's going to be interesting.

Off the wall question. Amazon will begin offering the use of celebrity voices for its Alexa device with Samuel L. Jackson being available first. What celebrity voice would you want talking to you on the device? T.J. Morgan Freeman. I knew you're going to say that one. Man, I don't know. I'm thinking like some hot chick. Give me a good hot chick that's famous.

Who's hot? Depends on your taste. You know what? I was a Sandra Bullock fan. I don't know what hell she's doing these days. She's probably got fat and cut her hair, but I'll go with her. Probably driving on a bus over 50 mile an hour. Yeah, that's a good movie.

I loved her. Like I really loved her. They're not like a sister. How about you, Jeff? Well, as Brett once did for Ways, I think Brett on Alexa would be great because you'd be like, Alexa, order me more toilet paper

and be like, damn, you feeling okay? Like, what, that's a lot of toilet paper? Why you need that much toilet paper for? Or something like that. You know what I'm like it, too? Alexa, order a pillow for my butt. You really do listen to the show.

Well, you know, you remember when Brett broke his tailbone? Oh, right, right. I broke my ass. It's better now. Think of all the judging. Brett slash Alexa could do. That's what I'm saying. Right.

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What are the odds of Ross Chastain getting one of the Open Cup seats next year or an Xfinity ride? Brett, since you're closest one, I'm going to ask you that question. 100%. to what? 100%. That's a question. What are the odds? Rod's name.

His name is in the hat for any available open seats. I know. I want to know what the rumor is. There ain't a rumor. That's just, you have a pool of drivers that you want,

and nobody's going to go out there and be like, oh, you know, man, I'm going to put this guy in there. He runs 25th every week and there's a pool of drivers that people know are available, and that's, Ross's name is in that hat.

The problem is, with any, with our sport in particular right now. Needs funding. The owners, yes, the owners, when we were at our best, the owners would go hire the best driver available. And then they would go out and find the sponsorship to support the effort. Now, every conversation that you have with drivers about their future, one of the first questions they ask you is, hey, TJ, how much money you got with you? Yeah. And if you're, hey, I got.

I got five mil. What do you got, Brett? Seven. Wow, we're going to take Brett. We're going to go with Brett. Yeah, because he's got $7 million. So when you look at, you know, the Cori LaJoy's of the world and the Michael McDowell's of the world, they do have a little bit of money with them. And it gets them in rides like they're in. If they have more money in them, then it's going to get them in a ride like Suarez has, right? So sometimes you have sponsorship that is attached to a driver. And sometimes the driver has straight up family money he's bringing with him, like a Michael Annette play, right? I feel like we're starting to trend a little bit back into the direction of, you know, well, this guy's talented. I feel like we got a pool of some of them are driver's kids that are just talented that are going to have, you know, they're talented. That's what they know. And it's easier for sponsors to get behind somebody that they think that they, you know, that's going to be talented rather than, you know, I don't know. The economics of the sport has changed a lot.

But I feel like it got really bad there for a while. And I'm not taking a shot at Alex Bowman when I say this, but you replaced Dale Jr. the largest name in the sport at the time, one of the top five largest names in the history of the sport with Alex Bowman. Yeah. That tells you where the economics of the sport's at.

What do you think Alex Bowman made in comparison to what Dell Jr. made? A tenth, five percent. It ain't even close. It ain't even close. Less than a tenth. A thousand percent less than a tenths, right? A thousand percent less than a tenth.

So the economics of it's just a lot different. But I mean, this is a great question. think Ross has proven he's worthy of being in a particular. But in all, honestly, though, Do you know, Doge Jr. did bring more sponsorship. You know, they were behind him. So that's why that was able to happen.

Yeah, but back in the day, you would have hired the absolute best driver you could possibly hire. Yeah. And it's just different now. Yeah. It's different. Next question is from Jason Halsey 12.

If the stages were reversed and you have longer stages at the first half of the race and do short run stages at the end, would this make for more aggressive calls or racing? TJ, what do you think? I think it's set up well how it is. If you have longer stages, if you have a long stage in the beginning,

you're going to have less cars on the lead lap. You're going to have, somebody always takes off in the beginning of these races. Like, look at us, where were we, Vegas? Yeah. We drove from 23rd of the lead and we're gone. Week before that, Harvick was checked out. You know, I think you're setting yourself up

for a worse race doing that. I think the whole point of the stages, right, was to keep people, the audience engaged longer earlier in the race and give them more action earlier. You know there's going to be action toward the end. Yeah, most of them are set up right, though. You get a late caution, it flops the field. So you see who's stage point racing and who's going for the win, you know,

and then depending on when the next caution falls or how things fall, it mean, it can flop again. So I think it's exciting. I love everything about the stages. The only thing I don't 100%, well, I shouldn't say I love everything about them. I don't love the fact that every time we take the green in the second stage, we automatically know there's going to be fewer green flag laps in that particular stage. So like yesterday, you know, we got a 25 lap stage and then another 25 lap 25

25. When we throw the caution on lap 25, we're realistically at lap 28 or 9 before we go back green. We know we only have 20 to 21 laps of racing. I would rather we reverse that somehow. Why don't we just add five laps to the second stage? I'm down with that. You know, if it's 25 and 50, why don't it just be 25 and 55? 55, yeah. Next one is from Teamster Dusty.

During interviews, sometimes when reporters get a lot of attitude, depending on the driver's mood and outcome of the race, how do you prepare yourself to deal with that situation? And who is the nicest driver no matter the situation? Jeff. That's an interesting question. You know, it kind of depends on the driver. Some drivers you know that they might get personal with you

or bite your head off. Like, if you're going up to, like, I really pissed off. No, Kyle's, I, the thing is about, you know, I don't really take it personally with him. You know, he's... Like two weeks ago where he was like, that's a dumb question.

Yeah, but I'm just like, you know, I feel like he's mad at the world, right? Harvick or like Kurt Bush, if they're mad, they might make it a little bit more personal toward you, like the person asking them. Kyle, I just feel like he's mad at everybody. So I don't really take his personally, you know?

Whether you ask or whoever else asks, you're going to get the same response. Right. Instead of, like, Have you ever wanted to punch a driver because he said something mean to you? Yeah. Yeah, probably. I love it.

Who is it? Well, that's what I'm trying to think. I mean, I remember, I mean, Kurt, Kurt back in the day was pretty bad, though. Like, I remember one time when we were, a bunch of us were walking, he's like, you clowns, why don't you go cover the circus, you know, you should, you know, blah, blah, blah, like just yelling. He got in trouble for what he said to Jerry Punch. And Bob.

Yeah, and Bob. Yeah, right. but Kurt's much better now, I think. The nicest driver, no matter of the situation, I'm trying to think of like angry driver after a race or something bad happens. I would probably say Joey. I don't think Joey's,

I've never seen Joey, like, get mad at a reporter or blow somebody off. A lot of drivers, if they're mad, will just bolt. Like, even Brad will try to find a way to get away. But, like, Joey, Joey's going to, like, he kind of has more perspective or, like, he'll give you a good answer.

He's not going to make it attack you. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I really look back, man, at a guy like Dale Jarrett and how he handled himself with the media and think these kids these days probably need to go back and watch some of his stuff because he could have a really, really, really bad day and still handle himself like a man. And some of these kids can't do that.

Well, Dale Jr., too. I mean, he really, he's the one guy that could have blown us off all the time. For sure. And he never did. He didn't need you guys. I remember one time there was a miscommunication and he went out. He didn't realize there was reporters waiting for him. Yeah.

And he, like, reached. out to me and apologized via email and told me to spread the word to the other reporters that he felt so bad that he didn't realize we were waiting out there because we had written, he saw we written Dale Jr. had no comment or whatever. And he's like, oh my gosh, I didn't know you guys were out there. I feel so bad. Like that was not my intention. I'd never do that to you guys. And I was just like, man, even the 30th place driver would never apologize if he blew off an interview, you know, and here's the most popular guy doing it. Which kind of brings me to a point here. So back in the day, PR people played a gigantic role in the whole process of publicity.

What is their role right now? Is it literally just sending tweets or what do they do for you guys? Because I was hired by Citgo Petroleum to be a liaison to the media and to ultimately gain publicity for their racing program. What is it like these days for PR people and you? It's, you know, the newer ones I don't know as well. Like there's some old school, I mean old school. I mean, the ones that were around 10 years ago. I feel like they kind of have a different approach still.

Like a lot of the guys and women working for like true speed communication and stuff. Right. You know, they're sort of stock with like the veteran PR people. The newer ones, I think they're more sensitive like, oh, I need to keep the media sort of away from my driver. What an idiot. I need to like block, you know, I need to control access where sort of the older ones realize like, hey, we need to talk. We need to get out in front of this. Here's how I manage this situation.

But they're not going to be as much of like a game. gatekeeper, you know what I mean? So that's how it sort of changed. Wow. So the new people are stupid. Not all 100%, but I think they're more sensitive. They're like, I don't want to get in trouble for this. So I'm going to sort of like make sure that you can't get to my driver.

That's the wrong way. Oh, wow. Good enough. Last one is from It's Not Binary. I'm planning a three-week trip to the U.S. from Belgium. Oh, wow. What should I put on my itinerary to get the full U.S. racing experience. Brett.

Geez. Where's Belgium at? Next to France? Is it? Can you drive from there? How's this guy going to get here? Don't we run Bristol, Martinsville, back to back? Next year? Man, I don't know. I mean, Jeff covers, he wants a full U.S. racing experience. Jeff can answer this better than I can. I mean, the month of May is fun, but it's hotter than hell. I think, yeah, I think the month of May, like, what if you went all-star race one week? week, Indy 500 next week, and then is it Pocono doubleheader next year? Is that what's that right?

Kansas next year? Oh, Kansas? Wow. Well, you'd get the full experience. You'd get a mile and a half track too. This package is a mile and a half is pretty fun. Right, right, right, right. I think the May has, I mean, you have to do the Indy 500.

Like, you have to. So I feel like. If you did an all-star race, Indy-500 and then another NASCAR race, you'd, I mean, that's kind of cool. When is, when are the Iowa Nationals? Knoxville Nationals? August. August. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Huh. I mean, you could do... So you could do Bristol night race in Knoxville National. That's true. I will say if you're coming over here, you need to come to the Charlotte area, though,

if you're going to get the full experience and tour some shops and stuff and check it out. Yeah, you need a couple three days. Hit the Hall of Fame, hit some of these great race shops. Yep. Yeah, I'm telling you, man, like, I was literally in Moresville last week and walked into a Mexican restaurant. Steve Park was in there. Ted Musgrave was in there. Like, if you hang around in Moresville long enough, you're going to see some racing people.

Yeah. Yeah. That's true. I mean, you go to, these guys go out, man. I mean, they're out and about. You walk into a restaurant. I walked in there, and I saw Stenhouse, Larson, and Blaney in the same spot. Yeah, yeah.

Cantina 1-15 right here, saw Casey Kane the other week. Greg Biffle. Yeah. If you hang out Moresville long enough, you're going to see somebody. I agree. Best question wins this shirt. Who gets the DBC shirt this week? It's got to be the guy to ask about the interview thingy, old Teamster Dusty.

All right. We'll catch them. And then we have an Apple podcast review that will win a shirt as well. The title of this one is called Running with DBC from C.P. Goat 3. I'm a long-distance runner, and my Tuesday run is always my favorites. I start out with a comedic and insightful BBC and followed up with DJD. As a lifelong NASCAR fan, these two podcasts complement each other perfectly. The chemistry among the team is fantastic and it never feels chaotic.

Everyone is able to get their thoughts in. So Brett will join you on a long-distance run sometime and you can't match in DBC shirts. I can't run more than three miles. I'll die. I just got cleared to run, so I'm training for our basketball game with TJ, but now I can actually run again. Man, if he beat you, Jason, that's going to be embarrassed. I had to get back to my training. I haven't ran in six months. It's funny, because I don't, it's funny.

I got to get back to training. I'm just going to show up. I'm not going to. I haven't played sports in six months. I got like to get back. Because you look like an athlete, Jason anyway. I always play, I play sports in high school and everything. I'm willing to bet one of y'all gets hurt. It's probably going to be him. Look at him. He got hurt sitting down. Tricking his white claw and holding. White claw. Too many white claws. Pop socket.

Yo, check this out. We're going to do a live show this weekend at Dover. T.J., Casey, Casey, what are you going to be wearing? You're going to be wearing some of those cute little Lulu lemon pants? I hadn't really thought about it, but they... I'm going to wear my jorks in a tank top. I'll bet you don't. I definitely do not.

I almost took my shirt off yesterday at Top of Grand Stance. I wish you would have. Because we were in that fan zone area where I was spotting from. And I was like, man, I'm just a race fan up here. I got my headset on. You should have done it on Saturday. put a 14 on you with Sunblock and then just stood up there for Sunday. I've been great advertising.

You can do that this Sunday. I mean. Yeah, before this show. Y'all come check us out in Dover, though. We'll have more info. We'll tweet more info out later. 10 a. We've done this.

Yeah. We did this one other time and it was a lot of fun. So if you're going to be in the Dover area, come check us out. 10 a.m. We'll be there. Casey at the Xfinity stage? Yes, the Xfinity stage at 10. m.

Yep. On Sunday. I love Xfinity. Me too. DVC. 6. Danny Hamlin. I thought you said you were picking Kyle Larson.

I'm going with Danny. Is Kyle Larson available for, yeah? This isn't even close again. It's 16 to 12. I'm trying to let you get back in it. I'm going with Kyle Larson. All right. Get it, boy.

All right, well, thanks for joining us. Jeff, you're the man, dude. Yeah, thanks for coming on. Thank you so much for having me. And sorry to anybody, the listeners who feel like I took away from the show. You didn't take away from the show. I love the show, so I wouldn't damage your purpose. People get mad at you on Twitter and start emmafing you.

I like when people get mad at you more. Me? Yeah. I don't know why you can get mad at me. I don't do anything to get mad about it. I like when you go on political rampages. I enjoy talking about whatever. I like to get people upset sometimes.

That's shocking. I had no idea. Wow. Man, I am so surprised. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks for joining us, Jeff. And rate us, give us some feedback.

What do you think? Next time you're in Charlotte. Let's know. Come by. Thank you guys. Welcome any time. Open door policy. Thank you. It was a blast, truly. Have a great week, everyone.

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